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| 00:04.41 | bachisanerd | klys: I'm back home with my MIDI interface |
| 00:10.04 | klys | ok, cat /dev/midi00; reset (play a few notes) |
| 00:10.11 | klys | then hit C-c |
| 00:13.31 | klys | bachis: ping |
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| 00:14.10 | bachisanerd | that was an odd crash |
| 00:14.30 | klys | hmm, inwhat way? |
| 00:14.48 | bachisanerd | klys: Everything but the mouse locked up. |
| 00:15.00 | klys | you couldn't get out with C-c ? |
| 00:15.01 | bachisanerd | even my geyes |
| 00:15.09 | bachisanerd | I don't think it was related to the Midi |
| 00:15.27 | klys | less /var/log/messages |
| 00:17.17 | bachisanerd | when I cat the MIDI device I get output when I play the keyboard |
| 00:18.03 | klys | www.megapathdsl.net/~rachel/midi-0.1.tar.gz |
| 00:20.41 | bachisanerd | apparently I need G++ |
| 00:21.49 | klys | right |
| 00:22.42 | bachisanerd | run "main"? |
| 00:22.57 | klys | ./main |
| 00:23.09 | Tene | Heh. |
| 00:23.14 | klys | hold some keys down for a sec |
| 00:23.30 | Tene | Someone in #git is trying to convince people to move the git development discussion to a web forum instead of a mailing list. |
| 00:23.32 | klys | if you want it to go faster, punch 6 |
| 00:24.01 | klys | I still haven't seen a good irc bot to read mailing lists |
| 00:24.26 | Tene | klys: I'm still not convinced that you're not a bot. |
| 00:24.48 | klys | why is a mailing list better than nntp? |
| 00:25.41 | klys | you're a bot: meaning == you would write one |
| 00:26.30 | Tene | See? That looks very much like something a markov chain would generate. |
| 00:26.32 | tensai | Tene: that idea always crops up on the uug, or at least did when back I was on the list |
| 00:26.38 | klys | bot accusations have nothing to do with zombification or sleepwalking |
| 00:28.29 | bachisanerd | klys: nothing is happening |
| 00:28.49 | bachisanerd | my Midi device is midi1, but I changed in the code the midi00 that I could find to midi1 and still nada |
| 00:28.54 | klys | bachisanerd: do you have /dev/midi00, I mean, is it reading from the same file you want? |
| 00:29.00 | klys | k |
| 00:29.37 | bachisanerd | do I need to look anywhere but main.cc? |
| 00:33.15 | klys | put some debug code in the signal handler |
| 00:33.15 | klys | printf( "x\r\n" ); |
| 00:33.15 | klys | see if it's generating input |
| 00:33.15 | klys | oh |
| 00:34.52 | klys | not really |
| 00:35.10 | klys | it's main__.cc |
| 00:35.20 | klys | that's probably why |
| 00:35.29 | klys | if you look at makefile |
| 00:36.40 | bachisanerd | ah you are right |
| 00:37.21 | bachisanerd | bach@aranha:~/Desktop/midi-0.1$ ./main |
| 00:37.21 | bachisanerd | [ ] C |
| 00:37.25 | bachisanerd | is all I get |
| 00:37.28 | klys | play a whole note? |
| 00:37.46 | bachisanerd | yeah |
| 00:37.47 | klys | ok |
| 00:39.15 | klys | cat /dev/midi01 | od -x |
| 00:39.38 | klys | if the code isn't for the same event you have to find out what your keyboard is really doing |
| 00:40.55 | bachisanerd | what's od -x? |
| 00:41.13 | klys | it's a filter to your binary input for hex |
| 00:41.22 | vontrapp | overdose |
| 00:41.50 | bachisanerd | 0000000 3090 9057 0030 3290 9057 0032 3490 905b |
| 00:41.50 | bachisanerd | 0000020 0034 3490 9040 5232 3490 9000 3430 3290 |
| 00:41.50 | bachisanerd | 0000040 9000 0030 3090 9047 4532 3090 9000 4834 |
| 00:41.55 | klys | ok cool |
| 00:42.06 | klys | your first byte is 0x90 |
| 00:42.11 | klys | look for that in main__.cc |
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| 01:02.52 | bachisanerd | how does 0000000 3090 9057 0030 3290 9057 0032 3490 905b translate into 0x90 |
| 01:03.28 | klys | 0x90 0x30 0x57 0x90 0x30 0x00 ... |
| 01:03.48 | vontrapp | endienness |
| 01:03.52 | vontrapp | buahaaha |
| 01:05.34 | bachisanerd | hmm... so why not 0x30 0x90 0x90 0x57 ...? |
| 01:06.04 | klys | you're not using a mac? |
| 01:06.35 | bachisanerd | ubuntu at the moment |
| 01:06.45 | klys | well, x86 is little-endian |
| 01:07.33 | klys | it's so storing a 0xFC in a slot containing 0x0000 will then contain 0x00FC and you can cast it back to an unsigned char |
| 01:08.53 | bachisanerd | interesting |
| 01:10.59 | klys | did you get the comment removed on the printf at case 0x90: ? |
| 01:11.51 | bachisanerd | it's not commented |
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| 01:12.04 | klys | no // anymore in your copy? |
| 01:12.09 | bachisanerd | nope |
| 01:12.10 | klys | ok |
| 01:12.21 | klys | still nothing is printed? |
| 01:12.33 | bachisanerd | when I cat /dev/midi1 | od -x |
| 01:12.41 | bachisanerd | something is not printed at every MIDI event |
| 01:12.42 | klys | what about the new ./main |
| 01:13.01 | bachisanerd | so when I press the key, the MIDI key press happens |
| 01:13.06 | bachisanerd | but no output is generated |
| 01:13.10 | klys | oh, it's buffering |
| 01:13.12 | bachisanerd | stuff only comes out once in a while |
| 01:13.22 | klys | my code does better |
| 01:14.46 | bachisanerd | ah. that makes sense |
| 01:17.29 | bachisanerd | after I make a change I just rm main, and run make again, right? |
| 01:17.38 | klys | you don't have to rm |
| 01:17.56 | klys | if g++ runs, ./main is replaced |
| 01:18.10 | bachisanerd | ah. I see the problem... |
| 01:18.24 | bachisanerd | there's a main__.cc and a main_.cc |
| 01:18.32 | bachisanerd | and I had the main_.c |
| 01:18.33 | klys | tried main_ yet? |
| 01:18.34 | bachisanerd | just a sec... |
| 01:19.19 | bachisanerd | ah! |
| 01:19.25 | bachisanerd | it's doing something |
| 01:19.40 | klys | do you get the full scale? |
| 01:20.32 | bachisanerd | yes |
| 01:21.21 | bachisanerd | neatt :-) |
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| 01:25.33 | klys | http://lilypond.org/web/switch/howto |
| 01:25.35 | bachisanerd | I've often wondered about doing something interesting with MIDI input, now I have reference |
| 01:25.37 | bachisanerd | Thanks! |
| 01:25.52 | klys | so what next? |
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| 01:27.05 | bachisanerd | good question |
| 01:36.17 | bachisanerd | is playing something on the keyboard as simple as writing the right hex values to /dev/midi1 ? |
| 01:36.30 | klys | well, it might be |
| 01:38.56 | klys | alleg.sf.net/digmid.html |
| 01:39.07 | klys | get you something better than oss patches to record with |
| 01:39.16 | klys | I should too... |
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| 01:49.48 | klys | elg: we missed you |
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| 02:18.52 | fozzmoo | ~links |
| 02:18.52 | ibot | Lynx-like text WWW browser. URL: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 02:18.56 | fozzmoo | ~urls |
| 02:18.57 | brac | [Links home page] |
| 02:19.18 | fozzmoo | ~click |
| 02:19.28 | fozzmoo | ~pasted |
| 02:34.21 | elg | -urls |
| 02:34.22 | brac | [2007/09/12 20:18:56] <ibot> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 02:34.22 | brac | [2007/09/12 19:25:34] <klys> http://lilypond.org/web/switch/howto |
| 02:34.22 | brac | [2007/09/12 16:51:21] <elg> http://hans.fugal.net/images/comp-papers.jpg |
| 02:34.22 | brac | [2007/09/12 16:50:06] <fozzmoo> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/frankfurt-motor-show-a-lack-of-knowledge-regarding-toyotas-iq/ |
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| 02:55.50 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 02:56.02 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 02:56.15 | vontrapp | ~hug brac |
| 02:56.15 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on brac and suddenly hugs brac tightly |
| 02:56.34 | atoponce | ~unsubscribe vontrapp |
| 02:56.46 | vontrapp | ~pulverize atoponce |
| 02:56.57 | vontrapp | two pants |
| 02:57.00 | Hearts|laptop | ~lart atoponce |
| 02:57.00 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack atoponce |
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| 03:58.57 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:58.57 | ibot | strangles emcnabb with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 04:00.04 | Sargun | ~lart mouse cord |
| 04:00.04 | ibot | puts mouse cord into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of mouse cord's hair of |
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| 04:04.15 | Supaplex | ~lart inkjet printer head clogs |
| 04:04.15 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, inkjet printer head clogs, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 04:06.47 | Sargun | Runaway! |
| 04:06.49 | Sargun | ~lart Lakshmi |
| 04:06.49 | ibot | slaps a compatible dib on Lakshmi's head |
| 04:07.19 | Lakshmi | sargun! |
| 04:07.26 | Lakshmi | ~lart sargun |
| 04:07.26 | ibot | plops sargun into a giant vat of herring |
| 04:07.29 | Lakshmi | hah |
| 04:08.16 | Sargun | ~hug m |
| 04:08.16 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on m and suddenly hugs m tightly |
| 04:08.17 | Sargun | ~hug me |
| 04:08.17 | ibot | ACTION hugs sargun |
| 04:09.04 | Lakshmi | why do u get hugs? |
| 04:09.07 | Lakshmi | sargun |
| 04:10.43 | Sargun | because I'm amazing |
| 04:10.47 | Lakshmi | no |
| 04:10.54 | Lakshmi | i must disagree |
| 04:11.09 | Sargun | !say hi |
| 04:11.11 | UtahBot | Sargun: Error: "say" is not a valid command. |
| 04:11.16 | Sargun | !echo hi |
| 04:11.17 | UtahBot | Sargun: Error: "echo" is not a valid command. |
| 04:11.19 | Sargun | hm. |
| 04:11.22 | Sargun | !help |
| 04:11.23 | UtahBot | Sargun: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 04:11.24 | Sargun | |help |
| 04:11.28 | Sargun | |say dog |
| 04:11.50 | Sargun | hm |
| 04:12.31 | Lakshmi | hm? |
| 04:13.42 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:13.43 | brac | [~say hi] |
| 04:13.56 | Sargun | aw, he puts it in [~say hi] now |
| 04:15.49 | Sargun | I wonder what brac is written in |
| 04:16.44 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:16.45 | brac | [~say |
| 04:16.45 | brac | kkhi] |
| 04:16.48 | Sargun | hm. |
| 04:16.49 | Sargun | I win. |
| 04:16.54 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:16.54 | brac | [~say |
| 04:16.54 | brac | hi] |
| 04:16.58 | Sargun | hm. |
| 04:17.08 | Sargun | This could get very interesting |
| 04:17.10 | Sargun | Who owns brac? |
| 04:17.11 | Lakshmi | wha? |
| 04:17.58 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:17.59 | brac | [~say |
| 04:17.59 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/brac.html] |
| 04:18.00 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html] |
| 04:18.06 | Sargun | hm. |
| 04:18.10 | Sargun | brac ignores Ibot? |
| 04:18.10 | brac | *shrug* |
| 04:18.31 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:18.32 | brac | [~say |
| 04:18.32 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/brac.html] |
| 04:18.33 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html] |
| 04:18.40 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:18.40 | brac | [~say |
| 04:18.45 | Sargun | hm,weird. |
| 04:19.04 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:19.04 | brac | [~say |
| 04:19.04 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:19.05 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/brac.html |
| 04:19.05 | brac | ~kick me] |
| 04:19.06 | ibot | ACTION kicks me] |
| 04:19.06 | brac | [~say |
| 04:19.09 | Sargun | hm. |
| 04:19.12 | Sargun | oh f. |
| 04:19.22 | Sargun | oh, good. I didn't make a loop |
| 04:19.26 | Sargun | hm |
| 04:19.34 | Sargun | I wonder why it didn't turn into a loop |
| 04:19.35 | Sargun | that's bad. |
| 04:19.36 | Sargun | :-/ |
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| 04:22.36 | Sargun | http:xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py |
| 04:22.40 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py |
| 04:22.46 | Sargun | hm. |
| 04:22.54 | Sargun | that's bad |
| 04:22.58 | Lakshmi | what are u doing? |
| 04:23.11 | Sargun | trying something out |
| 04:23.13 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py |
| 04:23.14 | brac | [~ |
| 04:23.14 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.588470364001 |
| 04:23.14 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.588470364001 |
| 04:23.14 | brac | ~] |
| 04:23.15 | Sargun | let's see |
| 04:23.15 | brac | [~ |
| 04:23.18 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.970773020822 |
| 04:23.19 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.970773020822 |
| 04:23.19 | brac | [~ |
| 04:23.22 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.850289027842 |
| 04:23.22 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.850289027842 |
| 04:23.24 | brac | [~ |
| 04:23.26 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.787179516649 |
| 04:23.26 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.787179516649 |
| 04:23.28 | brac | ~] |
| 04:23.32 | Sargun | ok, it'll stop now |
| 04:23.33 | Sargun | yay! |
| 04:23.34 | Sargun | :-) |
| 04:23.37 | Sargun | It works. |
| 04:23.53 | Lakshmi | yay you? |
| 04:24.01 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.17 | Sargun | nick125, why are you kicking evolve? |
| 04:24.44 | nick125 | Sargun: because someone broke it |
| 04:24.53 | Sargun | how |
| 04:25.11 | nick125 | I think they broke evas which broke evolve |
| 04:25.31 | tensai | looks like we need timriker to make ibot ignore brac again |
| 04:25.43 | nick125 | Or maybe they broke etk |
| 04:26.08 | Sargun | yeah, I thought brac was set to ignore iBot. |
| 04:26.16 | Sargun | I was just checking |
| 04:26.38 | Sargun | All is safe now! |
| 04:27.18 | Sargun | who brought brac back |
| 04:27.26 | Sargun | brac is really an insecure little freak |
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| 04:29.00 | Sargun | What can someone say to ibot to make him to something (him being ibot) |
| 04:29.10 | Sargun | and something be something i wouldn't want to happen to me |
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| 04:30.22 | Lakshmi | hi sragun |
| 04:30.39 | tensai | Sargun: brac is elg's bot. he went away because of memory issues caused by markov chains. |
| 04:30.52 | tensai | I don't know why elg resurrected him |
| 04:31.16 | tensai | ~chat about sargun is |
| 04:31.22 | tensai | brac: chat about sargun is |
| 04:31.22 | brac | sargun is bored |
| 04:31.38 | elg | to celebrate my extra ram |
| 04:34.11 | Sargun | oh |
| 04:36.42 | nick125 | mmm....compiling ewl |
| 04:38.51 | nick125 | whee |
| 04:47.33 | tensai | have I got any cisco experts in da house? |
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| 05:00.39 | corro | hi all |
| 05:01.00 | tensai | ~welcome corro |
| 05:01.01 | ibot | Welcome to the party, corro! |
| 05:01.16 | corro | thanks! |
| 05:02.01 | levi | Hi. |
| 05:07.05 | klys | hil |
| 05:07.11 | klys | hila hil |
| 05:07.44 | brailsmt | i just modified the groups my user is a member of, is there a way i can force my current login session to pick up this group change without logging out and back in? |
| 05:07.54 | klys | not really, no |
| 05:08.04 | klys | you would have to make a kernel driver |
| 05:08.12 | klys | I know because I did it once (2.4) |
| 05:09.06 | tensai | brailsmt: not that I'm aware of. you could launch a new shell inside your shell. |
| 05:09.26 | brailsmt | well, thank goodness for screen... |
| 05:09.32 | brailsmt | i just have to reattach... |
| 05:09.52 | tensai | brailsmt: your screen sessions would pick up the changes until you restart screen itself :( |
| 05:09.57 | tensai | s/would/won't/ |
| 05:10.07 | brailsmt | yeah, thats not cool... |
| 05:10.27 | brailsmt | kill -1 /etc/group |
| 05:10.30 | brailsmt | darn... |
| 05:10.32 | brailsmt | :D |
| 05:11.57 | tensai | brailsmt: wait, I might have found a way..... |
| 05:12.33 | klys | you can still tell me though |
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| 05:15.30 | tensai | brailsmt: I might have found a way to refresh it |
| 05:15.36 | tensai | I suspect it's too late now though |
| 05:18.10 | tensai | anyway, check out newgrp |
| 05:19.04 | brailsmt | i knew there was a way on aix, hpux and solaris |
| 05:19.11 | brailsmt | i shoud have held out... |
| 05:19.12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:19.27 | brailsmt | oh, and vms |
| 05:19.40 | brailsmt | but that isn't an OS, its a cesspool... |
| 05:20.07 | brailsmt | not that i am biased or anything... |
| 05:27.45 | Sargun | hey |
| 05:28.14 | Sargun | What are the things you guys look for in an ISP? |
| 05:28.21 | vontrapp | doesn't suck |
| 05:28.28 | Tene | tensai: newgrp starts a new bash session |
| 05:28.33 | vontrapp | packet loss that's not 30% |
| 05:28.43 | Tene | it wouldn't update screen. |
| 05:28.50 | Sargun | vontrapp, define that earlier one. |
| 05:29.00 | vontrapp | Sargun: see the latter |
| 05:29.20 | tensai | Tene: I was starting to suspect that. the man page indicates that it refreshes, but in practice I can't get that to occur. |
| 05:29.22 | Sargun | So, as long as they have 29.999999 percent packet loss or lower |
| 05:29.24 | Sargun | your happy? |
| 05:29.55 | vontrapp | well, let's just say if the packet loss is somewhere around 30% or worse, then it sucks |
| 05:30.16 | tensai | if the packet loss is 1% or higher consistently, that's unacceptable |
| 05:30.21 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 05:30.29 | vontrapp | well, i can only dream |
| 05:30.37 | tensai | ~pity vontrapp |
| 05:30.38 | ibot | I pity da fool vontrapp! |
| 05:31.15 | tensai | Sargun: an ISP with support via IRC is a nice perk |
| 05:32.49 | vontrapp | 100 packets transmitted, 36 received, 64% packet loss, time 120622ms |
| 05:32.56 | vontrapp | ugh! |
| 05:33.04 | vontrapp | and that's consistent |
| 05:33.14 | tensai | vontrapp: what ISP is that? and does it involve a string and tin cans? |
| 05:33.25 | vontrapp | it's called hotsite |
| 05:33.42 | Sargun | uh |
| 05:33.45 | vontrapp | according to that speed test site it's part of lightwave or something |
| 05:33.52 | Sargun | hotsite? |
| 05:34.11 | vontrapp | it's wireless internet for an entire appartment complex of 10+ buildings of probably 20 apts each |
| 05:35.15 | tensai | I think it's these guys: http://www.hotsitenet.com/index.html |
| 05:35.18 | brac | [HotSite Networksâ„¢] |
| 05:35.25 | vontrapp | that's it |
| 05:35.50 | Sargun | So, like let's say $100 for 6 mbit/sec |
| 05:35.56 | tensai | vontrapp: is it wireless to the complex, or just wireless in the complex? |
| 05:36.19 | vontrapp | wireless throughout the complex, supposedly fiber out |
| 05:37.59 | tensai | wifi? does your computer do wifi directly or are you hardwired to a central radio? |
| 05:38.32 | vontrapp | computer connects through wifi to the isp |
| 05:38.57 | vontrapp | BUT, here's the kicker, i have no packet loss to the gateway |
| 05:39.02 | vontrapp | it's after the gateway |
| 05:39.15 | vontrapp | so the problem isn't even the wireless |
| 05:39.27 | vontrapp | it's their crappy isp, router, or whatever it is |
| 05:39.29 | brailsmt | vontrapp: maybe the gateway hates you and is dropping packets to spite you |
| 05:39.52 | vontrapp | probably |
| 05:40.04 | tensai | vontrapp: that is interesting. I wonder if they've overloaded their upstream connection. |
| 05:40.15 | vontrapp | i'll try a ping -c 100 on my bro-in-laws computer, see if he's hated as well |
| 05:40.37 | vontrapp | ok, i lied, 5% packet loss from the gateway |
| 05:42.21 | vontrapp | yeah, speedtest says my isp is Electric Lightwave |
| 05:42.27 | vontrapp | whatever that means |
| 05:42.43 | vontrapp | and 1818 kb/s dl, 702 kb/s ul |
| 05:43.07 | vontrapp | too bad for the packet loss, though |
| 05:43.07 | vontrapp | jeez |
| 05:43.43 | vontrapp | lotta good broadband does you if > half the packets go nowhere |
| 05:44.09 | brailsmt | btw, for those of you that hate shaving and have to do it anyway... i discovered www.badgerandblade.com and haven't looked back since... I highly recommend you guys try it out... :) |
| 05:44.49 | brailsmt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjhIy9rgWQU |
| 05:45.28 | brailsmt | thats a series of videos on how to shave the right way |
| 05:45.33 | Sargun | Maybe Everyone hates you |
| 05:46.18 | brailsmt | is Sargun a bot? |
| 05:48.43 | tensai | brailsmt: emcnabb claims to have met him, but it could be a conspiracy |
| 05:50.23 | brailsmt | so is byu's curriculum all java now? |
| 05:50.36 | brailsmt | CS curriculum that is |
| 05:50.55 | Sargun | uh |
| 05:51.15 | Sargun | doubt it |
| 05:51.26 | Sargun | I bet they have some ASM/Math stuff |
| 05:51.44 | Sargun | which isn't exactly CS, but is under the CS curriculum |
| 05:51.58 | Sargun | (well ASM is CS, but Math isn't necessarily) |
| 05:52.21 | brailsmt | too bad... |
| 05:53.34 | brailsmt | i got a call from a recent graduate with his resume and it was very java centric, i remember things being very open as to which platform/language, but that just could have been me refusing to us windows and java |
| 05:53.39 | brailsmt | s/us/use/ |
| 05:53.55 | brailsmt | ~lart ibot |
| 05:53.55 | ibot | holds brailsmt to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 05:54.05 | brailsmt | *sigh8 |
| 05:54.13 | vontrapp | i haven't done java since 235 |
| 05:54.25 | Sargun | Would any consumer user pay $100 an mbit synchronous? |
| 05:54.36 | vontrapp | NO |
| 05:55.29 | vontrapp | actually, i think 236 might have been java, but i digressed |
| 05:55.36 | vontrapp | er, um, dissented |
| 05:56.31 | vontrapp | they have classes in scheme, perl, c++, C# (ugh), even ruby |
| 05:56.45 | sontek | C# is the best language out right noww |
| 05:56.49 | vontrapp | blech |
| 05:56.55 | brailsmt | lol |
| 05:56.57 | vontrapp | it's the best worst language, maybe |
| 05:57.33 | brailsmt | any comment like "XYZ is the best language <extra verbiage>" gets disregarded as fast as you can type it |
| 05:57.50 | sontek | vontrapp: the CLR has great performance, the .net class library is very extensive, and C# is a beautiful language |
| 05:57.53 | brailsmt | please define "best" |
| 05:58.13 | brailsmt | and for what purposes... |
| 05:58.19 | vontrapp | ruby has a class library |
| 05:58.31 | vontrapp | it's not even hard to get at |
| 05:58.41 | brailsmt | you use C# to do low-level enterprise messaging stuff and you deserve to be fired |
| 05:59.07 | sontek | vontrapp: Ruby is actually decent when ran under the CLR, it gets the speed boost it needs |
| 05:59.16 | vontrapp | CLR? |
| 05:59.30 | vontrapp | and what speed boost? i've never had ruby be too slow for me |
| 05:59.33 | sontek | vontrapp: common language runtime (the thing all .net languages are interpreted by)) |
| 05:59.49 | vontrapp | so like parrot |
| 06:00.11 | vontrapp | but with vendor lock-in |
| 06:00.14 | brailsmt | jruby is nice |
| 06:00.15 | sontek | vontrapp: Yes, CLR came first obviously |
| 06:00.34 | sontek | vontrapp: parrot handles thingss differently though |
| 06:00.39 | sontek | vontrapp: its all stack based |
| 06:00.51 | vontrapp | yeah, it doesn't lock you in, or cost you a bundle |
| 06:00.55 | sontek | vontrapp: the CLR is an ECMA standard |
| 06:00.58 | sontek | vontrapp: no vendor owns it |
| 06:01.03 | sontek | vontrapp: and its free |
| 06:01.14 | vontrapp | ok, i admit, i know nothing about it |
| 06:01.17 | vontrapp | i'm just trolling |
| 06:01.44 | brailsmt | and i'm just taking you to task for your blanket "best language out there comment" |
| 06:01.50 | vontrapp | that's what happens when you shoot from the hip sometimes you miss a lot |
| 06:01.52 | brailsmt | which is just silly and ignorant |
| 06:02.16 | vontrapp | eek, bedtime |
| 06:02.21 | sontek | brailsmt: I was halfway kidding |
| 06:02.28 | vontrapp | i was supposed to have read my religion stuff already |
| 06:02.29 | sontek | brailsmt: its *my* favorite language |
| 06:02.35 | vontrapp | YOU GUYS distracted me |
| 06:02.37 | vontrapp | shame on you |
| 06:02.42 | sontek | vontrapp: sorry! |
| 06:02.46 | vontrapp | brailsmt and his shaving |
| 06:03.03 | brailsmt | sontek: great, is it multiplatform? as in most if not all unix flavors |
| 06:03.04 | vontrapp | sontek and his C$ |
| 06:03.20 | sontek | brailsmt: yes, multiplatform and architecture |
| 06:03.42 | sontek | brailsmt: runs on linux, mac, and windows |
| 06:03.49 | brailsmt | so i can write a c# program and run it on aix, hpux, and solaris, perhaps some vms thrown in? |
| 06:03.51 | sontek | brailsmt: and x86_64, arm, etc. |
| 06:03.59 | sontek | brailsmt: it wont run on aix though =) |
| 06:04.13 | sontek | brailsmt: it does run on solaris though |
| 06:04.43 | sontek | and its been ported to the nokia internet tablets and the open moko phone |
| 06:05.13 | vontrapp | yay, battery drainage |
| 06:05.15 | brailsmt | yeah, i just care about the big iron stuff... |
| 06:05.24 | brailsmt | thats *my* bias |
| 06:05.28 | vontrapp | aluminum is a better heat sink |
| 06:05.29 | brailsmt | and what i do daily |
| 06:05.52 | brailsmt | c# isn't even close to viable in that space |
| 06:06.10 | Supaplex | perl6 ;) |
| 06:06.19 | brailsmt | C++ |
| 06:06.26 | vontrapp | i do c% daily just to keep up on silly lab stuff that would be trivial in ruby |
| 06:06.47 | vontrapp | funny thing is the class is supposed to be "focusing on the algorithms themselves, not the implementations" |
| 06:06.53 | brailsmt | anyway, gotta go.. |
| 06:07.14 | Sargun | Python is such a nice language |
| 06:07.27 | Sargun | But I've yet to come across it in class |
| 06:07.29 | vontrapp | i think 312 should be taught in python |
| 06:07.40 | Sargun | 312 is? |
| 06:07.46 | vontrapp | algorithms analysis |
| 06:07.51 | vontrapp | the one that now uses C# |
| 06:08.05 | sontek | brailsmt: I think I read something about it running on hpux but can't guarantee anything |
| 06:08.12 | Sargun | What's a good list of computer science problems |
| 06:08.19 | Sargun | or computer science exercises? |
| 06:08.20 | vontrapp | it's just because Mike Jones is a microsoft fanboy |
| 06:09.00 | vontrapp | wikipedia has good descriptions of classic computer science problems |
| 06:09.46 | vontrapp | you pretty much already have to know what you're looking for, at least i've never seen a list of "here's a bunch of computer science stuff" |
| 06:09.50 | vontrapp | maybe it's out there |
| 06:10.03 | vontrapp | dunno |
| 06:10.03 | vontrapp | Sargun: you could add that to wikipedia |
| 06:10.08 | vontrapp | go get em' |
| 06:10.18 | Supaplex | that's what categories are good for |
| 06:12.55 | levi | Sargun: Depends on what part of Computer Science. |
| 06:14.02 | levi | vontrapp: 312 used to be in C, and it was all about making your code uber-fast. I didn't like it. |
| 06:14.41 | Sargun | Wouldn't it want to be in ASM then? |
| 06:18.07 | levi | No, because then even fewer people would have had working programs. |
| 06:18.25 | levi | Anyway, what do you want to know about CS? |
| 06:18.33 | Sargun | hehe |
| 06:18.41 | Sargun | Oh, just some fun problems to solve |
| 06:18.47 | Sargun | to exercise my brain |
| 06:19.09 | levi | Write a program to solve the 8-puzzle. |
| 06:19.36 | levi | Or start working through The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, an MIT textbook that's free online. |
| 06:21.13 | levi | http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html |
| 06:21.14 | brac | [Structure and Interpretation |
| 06:21.14 | brac | of Computer Programs] |
| 06:21.35 | sontek | Sargun: logon www.topcoder.com and do their algorithms |
| 06:24.15 | Sargun | Topcoder looks interesting |
| 06:27.58 | levi | I think you'd learn more about computing from SICP, but Topcoder would be good exercise. |
| 06:39.21 | Sargun | Are there any that aren't programming language specific |
| 06:39.52 | Sargun | I remember there was an internet puzzle |
| 06:43.25 | Tene | If you're math-inclined, http://projecteuler.net/ |
| 06:43.28 | brac | [Project Euler] |
| 06:43.29 | Tene | is fun |
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| 07:06.46 | brailsmt | Sargun: topcoder |
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| 07:56.15 | Lakshmi | hey sargun |
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| 13:25.20 | ^Migs^ | wow, they just posted the pics from my 10-year high school reunion on my reunion Google group, and I've never been so glad I didn't go |
| 13:25.35 | ^Migs^ | just a ton of people that I really didn't care to see again |
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| 13:48.28 | goozbach | open komodo, interestin.... |
| 13:48.36 | goozbach | I've always loved that IDE |
| 13:48.54 | goozbach | now the guts of it are released under the MPL |
| 13:48.59 | goozbach | I love it even more |
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| 14:08.23 | redbeard2 | ~lart thaddeusq |
| 14:08.23 | ibot | eats thaddeusq's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 14:09.22 | redbeard2 | thaddeusq: i suppose that's a good thing, since you just lost yours |
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| 14:26.13 | ^Migs^ | what's a good FOSS PDF editor? |
| 14:26.36 | Jayce^ | ~lart UPS reporting that a product is shipped, then making you wait days to get it :( |
| 14:26.36 | ibot | throws UPS reporting that a product is shipped, then making you wait days to get it :('s poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 14:32.03 | ^Migs^ | free $5 wal-mart gift card: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=606012 |
| 14:43.06 | maquis | er |
| 14:43.08 | maquis | oops |
| 14:43.10 | maquis | sorry Tene |
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| 15:03.39 | ^Migs^ | Free TGIF points/gift card: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=606416 |
| 15:03.52 | maquis | Jayce^: good luck on the aws competition! :) |
| 15:04.15 | Jayce^ | maquis, dunno if I have something I can do as a startup in there.. |
| 15:04.26 | Jayce^ | though I'm beginning testing it for another project |
| 15:09.15 | maquis | :) |
| 15:09.19 | maquis | glad you like it :) |
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| 15:22.19 | maquis | ls |
| 15:22.23 | maquis | er |
| 15:22.29 | maquis | i meant /names |
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| 15:37.54 | kendawg | How does one go about exporting out an SSL certificate using Firefox? |
| 15:38.52 | kendawg | I know how to do it from the Big Blue E (view certificate -> certificate details -> copy to file) |
| 15:39.04 | kendawg | But I am sure Firefox has a much better way of doing it |
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| 16:02.07 | levi | It's my birthday today. Woot. |
| 16:02.23 | findlay-w | are there any electronics experts here? |
| 16:04.50 | harleypi1 | http://www.liveleak.com/player2.swf?token=94c_1189640419 |
| 16:06.17 | levi | findlay-w: What do you mean by electronics expert? |
| 16:06.32 | findlay-w | I have this photoelectric switch whose part number seems to indicate that it's not manufactured anymore |
| 16:06.57 | findlay-w | so, I have this long list of similar items on mouser and I want to know which one is compatible with this one |
| 16:07.25 | findlay-w | (the list was gotten by searching on just the first portion of the part number) |
| 16:07.30 | levi | Ahh, that kind of electronics. I am, unfortunately, not the expert you seek. |
| 16:07.50 | findlay-w | but I want sense of part numbers. Is that too much to ask? |
| 16:07.56 | ekimatuan | digikey.com |
| 16:08.32 | findlay-w | like, did omron stop manufacturing this model in favor of a new model? |
| 16:08.48 | ekimatuan | search for the part number at digikey |
| 16:08.52 | findlay-w | or is there a similar switch that will work? |
| 16:08.56 | findlay-w | ekimatuan: I already did |
| 16:09.01 | findlay-w | no results |
| 16:09.04 | ekimatuan | hmmm |
| 16:09.18 | findlay-w | E3F2-3DZ1 |
| 16:09.52 | ekimatuan | made by omron you said? |
| 16:10.02 | findlay-w | I'm quite confident that there's one that will work, I just don't know which |
| 16:10.04 | findlay-w | ekimatuan: yeah |
| 16:10.29 | findlay-w | and I don't want to blow $100 on one that's not going to work |
| 16:11.36 | findlay-w | actually no, grainger does have it |
| 16:12.12 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 16:12.13 | ekimatuan | good. I can stop looking :) |
| 16:12.34 | findlay-w | ekimatuan: well I wanted to make sure I had to spend that much money :) |
| 16:14.09 | Jayce^ | ekimatuan, wtf you doing *here*... but not *here* |
| 16:14.16 | ekimatuan | :) |
| 16:14.33 | ekimatuan | jayce: laying in bed, wathcing TV, and working |
| 16:14.40 | Jayce^ | expected you to have some kind of announcement.. |
| 16:14.55 | Jayce^ | you just too afraid to show up and get mopped in Kart? |
| 16:15.02 | ekimatuan | that muct be it |
| 16:15.14 | sontek | mario kart? |
| 16:15.18 | Jayce^ | of course |
| 16:15.27 | sontek | bring it on |
| 16:15.30 | sontek | I call princess |
| 16:15.32 | sontek | ;p |
| 16:15.46 | Jayce^ | sontek, anyday... especially with that weak character :) |
| 16:15.57 | ekimatuan | Call Yoshi |
| 16:16.01 | sontek | Jayce^: next plug? =) |
| 16:16.03 | Jayce^ | except when dicer plays her with that darn blue cart |
| 16:16.05 | Jayce^ | sure |
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| 16:16.17 | Jayce^ | we have lunchtime competitions in kart |
| 16:16.24 | Jayce^ | ekimatuan, BIG SURPRISE |
| 16:16.33 | Jayce^ | ~lart Yoshi |
| 16:16.33 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops Yoshi in half |
| 16:16.37 | findlay-w | mario kart is one of the most funnest games ever concieved by human brain |
| 16:16.39 | ekimatuan | Argghg |
| 16:16.41 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 16:17.09 | Jayce^ | and running it on the DS is just awesome |
| 16:18.38 | sontek | my favorite game of all time is jezzball |
| 16:19.15 | goozbach | bubble bobble |
| 16:19.19 | goozbach | or Mario bros 3 |
| 16:19.24 | goozbach | those are GAMES! |
| 16:19.31 | maquis | nethack |
| 16:19.34 | maquis | bzflag |
| 16:19.50 | sontek | I've never played nethack or bzflag :[ |
| 16:19.54 | sontek | I downloaded bzflag once |
| 16:20.07 | maquis | sontek: you've never played either of them? |
| 16:20.14 | sontek | :[ |
| 16:20.22 | findlay-w | ~bzflag sontek |
| 16:20.25 | findlay-w | ~bzfrag sontek |
| 16:20.25 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill sontek, but sontek finds the shield flag |
| 16:20.34 | maquis | sontek: telnet nethack.alt.org |
| 16:20.41 | findlay-w | wait, I've got it |
| 16:20.48 | findlay-w | bzflag-nethack! |
| 16:20.58 | Jayce^ | bzflag with vim keybindings! |
| 16:21.19 | maquis | Jayce^: actually, that's an interesting idea |
| 16:21.22 | findlay-w | haha |
| 16:21.26 | ^Migs^ | crap |
| 16:21.28 | ^Migs^ | I gotta go to a piano audition today and now I'm starting to wish I'd practiced |
| 16:23.00 | findlay-w | piano with vim keybindings! |
| 16:23.08 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 16:23.31 | findlay-w | you've never heard Beethoven played so fast, or so efficiently! |
| 16:24.15 | ^Migs^ | all songs should be played EFFICIENTLY |
| 16:24.27 | findlay-w | indeed |
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| 16:26.38 | ^Migs^ | this is just a volunteer thing to play at the hospital, and it's my old piano teacher who's managing the auditions, but still, I'm getting nervous |
| 16:28.35 | findlay-w | levi, ekimatuan: apparently there's both a light source (E3F2-3LZ) and a light sensor (E3F2-3DZ1). I guess I should have asked the guy who brought me the part for more information like that :) |
| 16:29.54 | ekimatuan | findlay: did you find the tech specs sheet for them? |
| 16:30.08 | findlay-w | http://www.omron247.com/doc/pdfcatal.nsf/2F89EE0F6B12CBBD85256FF7005C0702/$FILE/D04E3F20405.pdf |
| 16:30.12 | findlay-w | I think that's it |
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| 16:33.13 | ekimatuan | findlay: looks like everything you need. what's the application? |
| 16:34.01 | findlay-w | I'm not sure. I think it's for an automated laser cutter |
| 16:34.19 | ekimatuan | meant, what are you using it for :) |
| 16:34.34 | findlay-w | well, it's a photoswitch :) |
| 16:34.49 | findlay-w | I just sit at my computer and look up parts online |
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| 16:48.39 | RyanE | It's probably used to sense limit of travel. |
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| 16:49.03 | RyanE | and / or reset position. Printers also use photo interruptors like that. |
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| 17:09.00 | harleypi1 | http://www.redefiningreadiness.net/ |
| 17:09.03 | brac | [Redefining Readiness | Home] |
| 17:09.53 | Jayce^ | ~poke harleypig |
| 17:09.54 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind harleypig, pokes harleypig repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:10.08 | harleypig | Is ibot a druid? |
| 17:10.36 | Jayce^ | hehe harleypig++ for inside joke nobody else could fathom |
| 17:11.03 | harleypig | well, not "nobody else" but a *very few* |
| 17:12.13 | Jayce^ | harleypig, if you like that link, I might have some books you'd be interested in... ekimatuan also |
| 17:12.52 | harleypig | I've already got the zombie survival guide |
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| 17:17.46 | harleypig | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-09/uow-ari091207.php |
| 17:17.46 | harleypig | http://www.panimages.org/ |
| 17:17.47 | brac | [A rose is a rózsa is a 薔薇: Image-search tool speaks hundreds of languages] |
| 17:18.14 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.18 | harleypig | oops ... |
| 17:18.30 | harleypig | din't mean to flood ... it didn't look like that much text on the web page. |
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| 17:23.32 | harleypig | http://marryourdaughter.org/ |
| 17:24.49 | thaddeusq | harleypig: I mis read that as Marry Your daughter.org. I thought wow must be based in Hilldale |
| 17:25.03 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:26.06 | harleypig | I like the google ads ... but I've got to wonder if they are real ... they're all things like "Philippines Marriage" |
| 17:28.06 | levi | Yikes. |
| 17:28.36 | harleypig | You should read the rules for proposing :) |
| 17:29.13 | harleypig | The testimonials are really funny. |
| 17:29.31 | levi | They're all so young! |
| 17:30.04 | harleypig | err ... you do realize this is a joke site, right? |
| 17:30.24 | levi | I wasn't sure. :) |
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| 17:31.08 | harleypig | The faq and the testimonials give it away. |
| 17:31.21 | levi | Haven't got to those yet; it's running really slow. |
| 17:31.39 | harleypig | hmm ... it's loading ok for me. |
| 17:31.52 | harleypig | your tubes must be clogged |
| 17:32.45 | harleypig | “Our 15 year old daughter Mary wasn’t very popular and did nothing but mope around the house bringing everybody down, so we decided to marry her off through your site. Now our house is a lot cheerier and we love our new swimming pool and Jaccuzi! We’ve told our youngest that when she turns 15 we’re going to marry her off too!" |
| 17:35.21 | levi | Sounds like a good deal to me! Man, if only my daughter was a few years older... ;P |
| 17:36.12 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:38.29 | herlo | harleypig: I've got a UTOSC tshirt for you... |
| 17:38.39 | herlo | maquis: I've got one for you as well... |
| 17:39.53 | harleypig | Thanks. Jayce^ told me about it. I don't know when I'll be able to pick it up though ... Accept for doctor's visit's I'm confined to the house. |
| 17:42.19 | herlo | harleypig: yeah, we can probably come by when I get back... |
| 17:42.53 | harleypig | Thanks, I appreciate that. |
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| 17:47.20 | beandog | is it just me, or is gmail starting to let a bit of spam in the inbox |
| 17:49.30 | harleypig | They've always let a small percentage of mine in |
| 17:49.53 | beandog | hmm |
| 17:49.57 | beandog | this is the first time for me |
| 17:50.35 | harleypig | I think I actually prefer it that way ... I find myself checking the spam link more often when I don't get a spam or 2 a day |
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| 17:55.56 | shadowwire | Hey klys |
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| 18:24.52 | shadowwire | Wow, This place is dead. |
| 18:25.00 | shadowwire | ~kill this place |
| 18:25.01 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited fluxneutrino gun at this place |
| 18:25.21 | shadowwire | ~lart slow times |
| 18:25.21 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up slow times |
| 18:25.39 | shadowwire | ~drown nothing |
| 18:25.39 | ibot | ACTION fills up the aqarium and explains in a Don Vito Corleone voice that nothing will be swimming with the fishies |
| 18:26.07 | shadowwire | ~break glass |
| 18:26.24 | shadowwire | Ok, maby not... |
| 18:26.37 | Supaplex | ~lose shadowwire |
| 18:26.37 | ibot | shadowwire: You Lose. |
| 18:26.41 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 18:26.51 | shadowwire | nice |
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| 18:30.07 | Keighvin | Woohoo, multiplayer notepad! |
| 18:32.06 | maquis | urgh! |
| 18:32.15 | maquis | windows users are frustrating |
| 18:32.40 | Keighvin | You can't play at the dump that long without smelling bad. |
| 18:37.28 | maquis | it's just... |
| 18:37.36 | maquis | *RRRGGGG* |
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| 18:37.54 | Keighvin | Care to share the specifics? |
| 18:38.04 | redbeard2 | ~lart Keighvin |
| 18:38.04 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of Keighvin |
| 18:38.23 | Keighvin | ~keighvin redbeard2 |
| 18:38.23 | ibot | ACTION tidies up redbeard2's code base |
| 18:38.35 | maquis | Keighvin: windows user on my team who is trying to fix a problem on his linux desktop |
| 18:38.43 | maquis | "it gave an error that said that this file doesn't exist" |
| 18:38.49 | maquis | ok... so, is the file there? |
| 18:38.51 | Keighvin | Oh good grief. |
| 18:38.57 | maquis | "uh... let me check" |
| 18:39.31 | maquis | seriously, debugging a linux problem with a windows person is about as frustrating as it gets |
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| 18:46.07 | tensai | maquis: is it more or less difficult than debugging a linux problem with a rock? |
| 18:47.03 | maquis | tensai: more |
| 18:47.03 | redbeard2 | tensai: i'm not sure what the difference is supposed to be there |
| 18:48.42 | tensai | redbeard2: rocks are consistent |
| 18:49.19 | redbeard2 | ah, of course |
| 18:50.13 | maquis | rocks can be banged on things |
| 18:50.29 | maquis | and rocks don't mind when i move them out of the way and use the keyboard myself |
| 18:51.12 | tensai | maquis: put down the rock and step away from the windows user |
| 18:51.27 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.09 | redbeard2 | maquis: throw the rock at the windows user. you know you want to. |
| 18:55.29 | maquis | :) |
| 18:55.48 | Keighvin | You know, you really would be doing them a favor. |
| 18:55.53 | Keighvin | Ah! |
| 18:55.59 | Keighvin | Hey, I'm with him! |
| 18:56.26 | Keighvin | Either that, or a BSD server. |
| 18:56.44 | Keighvin | Whichever. Not that I have anything against BSD, you just look at home there. |
| 18:57.02 | redbeard2 | maquis: listen up. i've got three big reasons why you need to just throw the rock. number one: look at that sissy looking string thing he's got there. |
| 18:57.19 | Keighvin | It's a harp, and you know it. |
| 18:57.26 | redbeard2 | right. and that's a dress. |
| 18:57.30 | Keighvin | ROBE. |
| 18:57.38 | maquis | lol |
| 18:57.45 | redbeard2 | number two: look at what i can do |
| 18:58.55 | Keighvin | He does have a good point, though. |
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| 19:16.22 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Is your site jacked up? |
| 19:17.37 | Keighvin | He's got a sweet lift kit on it. |
| 19:32.50 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, ? |
| 19:33.16 | Keighvin | And pegs. |
| 19:33.28 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I see nothing. |
| 19:33.37 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Just the header to the page. |
| 19:33.57 | Jayce^ | I just pulled up the page... are you looking at a different page? |
| 19:34.02 | rsimpkins | Maybe a jacked up CSS or something. |
| 19:34.10 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: http://halls.lug-nut.com/jayce/ << this. |
| 19:34.22 | rsimpkins | Maybe I have a bad something or other cached. |
| 19:34.25 | rsimpkins | Let me restart. |
| 19:34.28 | Jayce^ | pulls up fine on my boxes.. |
| 19:35.19 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: It's just opera. |
| 19:35.47 | Jayce^ | it actually worked on the opera for wii the other day |
| 19:36.24 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Doesn't work in opera for linux and windows. |
| 19:38.08 | Supaplex | pulls up just fine with netcat |
| 19:38.12 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 19:39.03 | shadowwire | anyone know ow to fax through the internet? |
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| 19:42.29 | Keighvin | email? |
| 19:43.55 | shadowwire | Ill take that as a no. |
| 19:45.10 | levi | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/09/12/arrr-wheres-me-grog-wench/ |
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| 19:46.15 | Jayce^ | levi, saw that one, already was passing it along :) |
| 19:46.22 | Keighvin | shadowwire: There are a lot of internet fax services out there that are easy to google for. |
| 19:47.01 | Keighvin | The thing is, it usually solves the wrong problem - faxes are easily sent withough IP routing and message persistence. If you want to transmit data online, scan to PDF and email is a clear winner. |
| 19:48.23 | shadowwire | Ok, thank you. |
| 19:54.54 | vontrapp | maquis: if i have items in my amazon cart, do they stay there for later? |
| 19:56.08 | harleypig | Keighvin: that's assuming the receiver is capable (or willing) to accept the document that way. |
| 19:56.19 | maquis | vontrapp: for a short period of time |
| 19:56.32 | vontrapp | how short? hours, days? |
| 19:56.37 | maquis | although, if there's a short-term promotion, i'm not sure what happens |
| 19:56.43 | maquis | vontrapp: i don't know off the top of my head |
| 19:56.49 | maquis | i think it's on the order of hours, though |
| 19:57.19 | vontrapp | hmm, cause it has this $30 discount for using the amazon card, but i have to wait for approvoal |
| 19:57.40 | vontrapp | you can just go ahead and apprve me, right? |
| 19:59.18 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/i-can-fix-thiz-sorta.jpg |
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| 19:59.30 | ^Migs^ | haha I love what's on the screen |
| 20:02.11 | levi | vontrapp: There's a 'save for later' option of some sort that will make them stick around for longer. |
| 20:03.29 | vontrapp | hmm, for individual books, but not for the whole cart |
| 20:03.45 | vontrapp | i guess i could do that many clicks, but with 60% packet loss it's frustrating |
| 20:06.18 | harleypig | Is there a way I can tell apache, in a <Location> tag, to allow automatic access if the ip adress is in the Allow line, otherwise pop up a login dialog? |
| 20:07.00 | Supaplex | harleypig: "satisfy any" |
| 20:07.37 | harleypig | thanks, I'll take a look at that. |
| 20:07.56 | Supaplex | that's off the top of my head. it might be require <something> |
| 20:08.11 | harleypig | It gives me a starting point anyway. :] |
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| 20:41.11 | Keighvin | harleypig: right, you have to stick with available protocols. Most of the "internet fax" crap out there requires you to install special viewer software, making it far less portable generally. |
| 20:42.03 | Supaplex | print to file, ps2pdf said file, mail off new.pdf. viola. |
| 20:44.20 | Supaplex | sweet. elinks from macports. why didn't I think of that earlier... |
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| 20:51.12 | bonez39 | Keighvin: I have used, been a customer of efax.com for nearly 10 years now...their service is far from perfect, but has worked pretty well for me....but..they are no yet linux friendly, with their viewer software or file handling.. |
| 20:51.54 | bonez39 | Supaplex: I am late to the conversation here...are you talking about how to side step faxing and instead emailing a .pdf to someone...? |
| 20:52.39 | macnewbold | efax has viewer software? I always just open up the PDFs when they come through. |
| 20:53.06 | bonez39 | macnewbold: well, I mean for windows...they have their efax messenger...for creation, viewing, etc.... |
| 20:53.20 | bonez39 | yeah, I use the .pdfs and just open with acroread or xpdf or whatever.. |
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| 20:57.04 | fozzmoo | Whoa. Pete! |
| 20:57.21 | pashdown | just adding other servers to my irssi :-) |
| 20:57.22 | fozzmoo | There's someone you don't see every day. |
| 20:57.36 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:57.42 | Jayce^ | welcome... |
| 20:57.46 | pashdown | thanks |
| 20:59.25 | Jayce^ | gee, how respectful is *that*... |
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| 21:06.40 | goozbach | that fozz guy can be quite a jerk sometimes :) |
| 21:06.59 | goozbach | pashdown: here's a question for you... How many irssi windows do you have open? |
| 21:07.18 | pashdown | 8 if you include the status and the hilight |
| 21:07.46 | goozbach | wow, I thought for sure you would have made me feel better about myself |
| 21:07.55 | goozbach | I've got nearly 50 now |
| 21:08.09 | pashdown | not that big of an irc'er |
| 21:08.23 | pashdown | of course, i just switched from bitchx so that may change |
| 21:08.31 | goozbach | but I AM running bitlbee so the majority of those are IM converstations |
| 21:12.32 | tensai | mmm. purple sugar water... |
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| 21:17.34 | Supaplex | pashdown: Welcome to the irssi generation. :) |
| 21:18.29 | Supaplex | my bad. specs.html |
| 21:19.12 | pashdown | nice |
| 21:19.21 | RyanE | what hardware are you running the openwrt on? |
| 21:19.41 | pashdown | go to the url |
| 21:19.57 | Supaplex | http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html |
| 21:19.59 | brac | [OpenWRT 7.07] |
| 21:20.19 | Supaplex | no heatsink on the cpu/SoC either. |
| 21:20.25 | Supaplex | how cool is that? ;-D |
| 21:21.13 | RyanE | oh, I thought it was some off-the-shelf hardware like the dd-wrt on Linksys stuff. |
| 21:21.21 | tensai | now I know your non-prefetchable memory addresses, your wrt will be mine! muhahahaha |
| 21:21.44 | Supaplex | oh noes! :p hehehe |
| 21:33.08 | pashdown | do you folks know how to poll status on gnome-screensaver? i used to use xscreensaver-command -watch to figure out if the screen was locked or not. |
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| 21:46.35 | Supaplex | I already own a scale with 0.1oz percision. Is there a foss friendly print-you-own postage solution that's on the cheap? monthly fees are annoying :P |
| 22:10.48 | elg | let me guess, no. |
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| 22:24.09 | redbeard2 | ~lart harleypig |
| 22:24.09 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of harleypig |
| 22:25.03 | tensai | Supaplex: if elg, the king of cheapskates, doesn't think it's possible then there's very little hope |
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| 22:45.04 | atoponce | Tene: how many of the problems on projecteuler have you solved? |
| 22:45.18 | sjansen | POPCORN! |
| 22:45.35 | Tene | atoponce: 2, about a year ago. |
| 22:45.42 | sjansen | ~pop redbeard2 |
| 22:45.42 | ibot | ibot offers redbeard2 a thin mint. |
| 22:45.54 | sjansen | ~corn redbeard2 |
| 22:45.56 | atoponce | Tene: heh. get crackin'! |
| 22:46.06 | sjansen | ~crack atoponce |
| 22:46.07 | ibot | ACTION cracks atoponce 's rock in half and then proceeds to shatter the halves into tiny pieces |
| 22:46.10 | atoponce | Tene: how? php? perl? c++? |
| 22:46.19 | Tene | atoponce: Perl 6 on pugs. |
| 22:46.42 | Keighvin | Those snorty dogs with the inverted noses? |
| 22:47.19 | Tene | http://pugscode.org/ -- a Perl 6 compiler/interpreted wirtten in haskell. |
| 22:48.06 | Tene | Oh. |
| 22:48.23 | Tene | I've used up all my social interpretation skills for the day on my students. |
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| 22:48.45 | Keighvin | True dat. |
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| 22:50.14 | redbeard2 | ~quote scox |
| 22:50.26 | Keighvin | ~quote ostk |
| 22:50.54 | Keighvin | Huh. Not too bad for a drugged-up megalomaniacal CEO. |
| 22:51.00 | Keighvin | Bad for having peaked at $77, though. |
| 22:51.05 | Keighvin | ~quote UHG |
| 22:51.23 | goozbach | ~quote uhug |
| 22:51.30 | goozbach | ~quote ihug |
| 22:51.48 | Keighvin | ~quote unh |
| 22:51.52 | Keighvin | That's what I was looking for. |
| 22:52.04 | goozbach | 3:-528am I wonder if that is before or after "cinnimon" |
| 22:53.24 | Keighvin | Anybody else here an UnrealTournament (2004) fan? |
| 22:54.43 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 22:56.25 | Keighvin | Lemme know if you ever want to go a round - I've only got the demo on account of being a cheapskate, and I go by "SirDiesALot" for reasons which quickly become obious, but darned if it isn't a good time. |
| 22:56.41 | Keighvin | s/obious/obvious/ |
| 22:59.14 | harleypig | Does anyone know if there iss a way I can change a bunch of lines that have only a single space between keywords so that the last keyword on the line is forced to a specified c olumn? |
| 23:01.19 | Tene | harleypig: I've never seen a single tool that will do that nicely, no. |
| 23:02.07 | Keighvin | harleypig: Meaning, spread things out into a fixed-width kind of format? |
| 23:02.50 | harleypig | Yeah ... I want to change my LoadModule lines (in apache) so that the lines will be a bit more readable. |
| 23:03.50 | Keighvin | harleypig: a perl one-off is probably the best bet - otherwise, grep | awk | print kind of a thing. |
| 23:06.49 | goozbach | heck vim :s// / |
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| 23:07.03 | harleypi1 | wierd ... |
| 23:07.26 | harleypi1 | How much did I get to the channel? |
| 23:08.46 | Keighvin | harleypig: Not much. |
| 23:08.57 | harleypig | :] Too complicated ... record a macro: $b40i <esc>040|dwj |
| 23:09.00 | harleypig | Then do 50@a |
| 23:09.03 | harleypig | (or whatever you recorded the macro as). Someone on #vim just gave me the idea for that, and I just polished it up a little. |
| 23:11.00 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 23:12.24 | Tene | <3 vim |
| 23:12.36 | Tene | doesn't solve the problem, though. |
| 23:12.43 | Tene | at least, not that specific macro. |
| 23:13.22 | harleypig | Tene: What do you mean? |
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| 23:13.52 | harleypig | Ooo ... :exe "1,50 norm $b40i \<esc>40|dw" |
| 23:14.01 | harleypig | Don't even have to do a macro that way. |
| 23:14.34 | Tene | What does | do in vim? |
| 23:15.16 | harleypig | I'm not sure in this context. |
| 23:16.42 | harleypig | Ah. It means "move to column" |
| 23:17.01 | harleypig | so 40| will go to column 40 |
| 23:17.03 | Tene | Oh, clever. |
| 23:17.27 | harleypig | That's not my polishing btw, that's someone on #vim |
| 23:19.27 | harleypig | So ... final working command: :exe "x,y norm $5b40i \<esc>40|dw" |
| 23:20.16 | harleypig | Changes "LoadModule module path/to_module.so" to "LoadModule module(to col 40)path/to_module.so |
| 23:20.20 | Tene | What does norm do? |
| 23:21.05 | harleypig | umm ... I can tell you what :h norm *says* but I'm not really sure. Still experimenting. |
| 23:21.11 | Tene | Heh. |
| 23:21.24 | Tene | harleypig: read the docs for me so I don't have to bother doing any work. |
| 23:21.37 | Supaplex | lol |
| 23:21.44 | harleypig | :] |
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| 23:22.30 | harleypig | Ah ... If I don't use norm, then I have to press Ctrl-V Esc to get the escape character. |
| 23:22.43 | Tene | ahh |
| 23:22.47 | Tene | clever. |
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| 23:40.35 | harleypi1 | Aghh ... my isp is bouncing my connection |
