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| 01:55.36 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 02:13.16 | Supaplex | ibot always having a cow when fozzmoo joins. |
| 02:13.28 | fozzmoo | har har har |
| 02:14.01 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 02:32.29 | findlay-w | ~cow |
| 02:32.30 | ibot | i heard cow is "<reply> I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you." |
| 02:32.33 | findlay-w | ~cower |
| 02:32.39 | findlay-w | ~cowabunga |
| 02:33.03 | Supaplex | that's one sick cow if it only weighs twice as much as me |
| 02:36.46 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: Have you heard the song? |
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| 02:42.13 | elg | -chat |
| 02:42.14 | brac | that would intercept http requests and update the list for our new block of text on my Colorado taxes |
| 03:09.42 | Supaplex | humm look at the time. |
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| 04:47.41 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know if we are having a PLUG tomorrow? |
| 04:49.30 | sontek | haven't heard anything on it |
| 04:50.10 | rsimpkins | I'm guessing only Jayce^ will know. |
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| 05:01.27 | herlo | rsimpkins: I'll bet its happening, but I've not heard either |
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| 05:19.07 | levi | I'm liking R now. |
| 05:19.38 | levi | Though I haven't been able to find a builtin function for doing population standard deviation, and I haven't learned how to write my own functions yet. |
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| 06:01.03 | klys | first post |
| 06:02.22 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:02.27 | Sargun | your insane |
| 06:02.54 | klys | you'd stop me |
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| 14:07.04 | tensai | redbeard2: I really like the olive oil taste test |
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| 14:26.01 | elg | hmm, qnx source code |
| 14:32.29 | elg | ~dance |
| 14:32.29 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 14:32.46 | Jayce^ | my new computer shipped last night |
| 14:35.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/nation_suddenly_feels_old |
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| 14:52.41 | redbeard2 | tensai: i thought you might |
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| 15:04.33 | findlay-w | -chat about ~onjoin findlay-w |
| 15:04.34 | brac | ~onjoin findlay-w -lart veracity |
| 15:04.34 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 15:04.39 | findlay-w | -chat about ~onjoin findlay-w |
| 15:04.49 | findlay-w | boring |
| 15:05.07 | findlay-w | ~onjoin findlay-w -chat about ~onjoin ~findlay |
| 15:05.07 | ibot | ok, findlay-w |
| 15:05.18 | elg | http://www.doctorwhoscarf.com/ |
| 15:05.19 | brac | [Doctor Who Scarf] |
| 15:05.40 | findlay-w | ~onjoin findlay-w -chat about ~onjoin ~findlay-w |
| 15:05.40 | ibot | findlay-w: ok |
| 15:07.37 | goozbach | Jayce^: what did you get? |
| 15:08.47 | elg | goozbach: he got a dell |
| 15:09.03 | elg | with windows 98 preinstalled |
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| 15:15.31 | goozbach | right on! |
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| 15:16.08 | Jayce^ | goozbach, 24" iMac, 2.8ghz extreme |
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| 15:17.59 | findlay-w | if that one's extreme what will the next one be called? |
| 15:18.29 | sjansen | http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_2471_1.html |
| 15:18.31 | brac | [QNX Press Release: QNX Publishes Neutrino Source Code and Opens Development Process] |
| 15:18.57 | findlay-w | quacky network extractor |
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| 15:36.25 | brasto | anyone know why my opensuse 10.2 install at work mounts my usb device as read only, but the install at home mounts it as read/write? |
| 15:37.53 | ^Migs^ | You're in luck. I was hacking into both your computers the other day and found the problem... |
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| 15:52.30 | brasto | atoponce, i still want to make up for the day i missed introducing php to the LUG in Ogden. |
| 15:52.54 | ^Migs^ | people in the Ogden LUG don't know what PHP is? |
| 15:53.14 | ^Migs^ | wow, glad I'm not a part of that group |
| 15:54.53 | brasto | ^Migs^ , we had a class to introduce a few in Ogden lug to basic PHP programming concepts. I went to the completely wrong campus... |
| 15:56.03 | brasto | I'm fairly certain all who attended know what php is, but they appreciated an intro course on how to use the language. |
| 16:00.53 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 16:00.59 | ^Migs^ | well that's good |
| 16:01.23 | ^Migs^ | I know people often bash PHP, but if you at least know the fundamental design concepts on how to use it, it's a fantastic language |
| 16:02.01 | brasto | and #uphpu is an awesome resource |
| 16:02.08 | ^Migs^ | I don't think I've ever seen a language which so much potential for abuse, though |
| 16:02.20 | ^Migs^ | they oversimplified everything to that point, methinks |
| 16:02.34 | ^Migs^ | why not #php? |
| 16:02.40 | ^Migs^ | even better resource |
| 16:03.30 | klys | what's a good place to learn python? |
| 16:04.01 | JoshH | i liked learning it at my house |
| 16:05.58 | goozbach | klys: on the tools team at RedHat |
| 16:07.43 | klys | ok, so get rpm, build a sourcepackage with rpm tools, and then build one of the tools it used, and then look back over the whole experience and try to assume it used python? |
| 16:11.17 | klys | s/place/place given/ |
| 16:13.17 | klys | maybe I should read the ph1n3 manual |
| 16:15.09 | levi | ^Migs^: I wouldn't call php a fantastic language at all. |
| 16:15.56 | elg | phantasmic maybe |
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| 16:16.05 | ^Migs^ | Nonsense. PHP is quite possibly the most fantastic, even overly fantastic language ever created. |
| 16:16.22 | ^Migs^ | Anyone who disagrees is clearly insane. |
| 16:16.27 | levi | ^Migs^: I mean, you can write web software quickly and/or well with it, but the language itself is anything but fantastic. |
| 16:18.44 | levi | It's kind of evolved over time into something that resembles a reasonable language, but it's not quite there yet. |
| 16:20.03 | ^Migs^ | I would say it finally reached maturity with PHP 5. It's still evolving, but to me PHP 5 marked the milestone |
| 16:20.10 | ^Migs^ | try/catch blocks did it for me |
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| 16:30.46 | levi | sjansen: Awesome, I was just lamenting the closed nature of QNX. |
| 16:30.57 | levi | Hmm, he's not here anymore. |
| 16:31.11 | levi | Anyway, QNX is even more awesome now. |
| 16:31.29 | elg | what exactly is the license now? |
| 16:31.35 | elg | it's not exactly open source is it? |
| 16:34.10 | brasto | elg, you mean the bot's license? |
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| 16:41.29 | elg | nope |
| 16:45.02 | levi | elg: It's a hybrid model. Access to source code is free, but commercial developers still have to pay for licenses and stuff. |
| 16:46.34 | elg | so like qt? |
| 16:46.53 | elg | is it actual open source for developers, or is it one of those "you can get it from us but don't redistribute it" things? |
| 16:47.03 | elg | s/developers/noncommercial devs/ |
| 16:47.07 | levi | Not sure, I haven't looked that far in yet. |
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| 16:50.48 | levi | Heh, their new community server seems to be getting hammered. |
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| 17:02.07 | levi | sjansen: Woo, QNX. |
| 17:04.35 | goozbach | we all owe sjansen a beer |
| 17:05.05 | goozbach | where beer == whatever costs about the same as a beer, and sjansen will drink it |
| 17:05.14 | goozbach | perhaps guarana? |
| 17:05.27 | elg | == tamarind juice |
| 17:05.30 | goozbach | he took one for the team so that utosc might be that much better |
| 17:06.01 | goozbach | let's hear a hip hip hooray! |
| 17:06.04 | goozbach | hip hip |
| 17:06.42 | elg | so what did he do? |
| 17:07.54 | goozbach | went on a trip which zealut was supposed to go on |
| 17:08.10 | thaddeusq | hooray sjansen |
| 17:08.24 | neybar | he didn't heckle through the conference? the restrait caused a hemorrage? |
| 17:08.27 | thaddeusq | sjansen: hope it wasn't to someplace like NJ |
| 17:09.07 | elg | yeah, north japan can be a real downer this time of year |
| 17:09.35 | thaddeusq | and New Jersey can be a real downer any time of year! |
| 17:15.24 | levi | elg: It looks like you can redistribute any changes or derivative works to other licensees of QNX. |
| 17:15.29 | redbeard2 | thaddeusq: by "can be" you mean "is", right? |
| 17:16.03 | levi | elg: So a non-commercial user can download, modify, and redistribute to other users, both commercial and non-commercial, but not to those who haven't obtained a license. |
| 17:16.12 | sjansen | redbeard2: You forget, this first 15 seconds in Newark is a blast. "Alright, I'm in a Mad Max movie!" |
| 17:18.33 | sjansen | NJ is actually a nice state, once you get far enough from Newark. |
| 17:18.39 | thaddeusq | sjansen: I really like the jug handles in NJ. If you use them right, you can avoid a lot of red lights. |
| 17:19.22 | thaddeusq | sjansen: The problem is, once you get far enough from Newark, you are no longer in New Jersey. |
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| 17:24.36 | levi | elg: So, you have a 13" MacBook, right? |
| 17:24.59 | levi | elg: I'm trying to decide if I'll be kicking myself later if I get the MacBook instead of the MacBook Pro. |
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| 17:33.22 | sjansen | levi: To paraphrase Weird Al, "Do you wanna be a hacker? Code cracker?... It's all about the [pixel count] baby." |
| 17:36.47 | levi | Yeah, clearly the graphics will be much better on the Pro, but either will be a nice upgrade from my 1024x768 iBook G4. |
| 17:37.28 | sjansen | 1920x1200 is where it's at |
| 17:39.43 | sjansen | pico de gallo is where it's at |
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| 17:57.30 | fozzmoo | What does pica de gallo mean anyway? |
| 17:57.40 | fozzmoo | Isn't pico "small" in Spanish? |
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| 18:04.33 | Heartsbane | fozzmoo: small rooster? |
| 18:04.53 | fozzmoo | So... pico de gallo... small, the... rooster? |
| 18:05.03 | goozbach | pico, de gallo rooster beak |
| 18:05.29 | Heartsbane | fozzmoo: sorry my spanish is a little rusty... but I think gallo is rooster |
| 18:05.42 | fozzmoo | goozbach would know. |
| 18:05.52 | JoshH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pico_de_gallo that explains it nicely |
| 18:06.05 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Where is your sense of FUN?! |
| 18:06.17 | JoshH | long gone |
| 18:06.21 | fozzmoo | There's nothing fun about going to an authorative source! |
| 18:06.53 | JoshH | well you guys had the meaning right, that just has a nice etymology section |
| 18:06.56 | Heartsbane | Well that is is just Salsa Mexicana |
| 18:07.04 | Heartsbane | why didn't someone say that |
| 18:08.18 | Supaplex | that |
| 18:08.27 | Heartsbane | Thanx |
| 18:22.31 | elg | levi: I see. |
| 18:22.47 | elg | levi: i like the macbook just fine |
| 18:22.55 | elg | i've never been a livin' on the edge guy though |
| 18:23.19 | elg | just make sure you have enough hdd and ram |
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| 18:31.14 | tristanbob | Question: When implementing a new system, do you change the DNS entry, or change the IP address to original system? |
| 18:31.23 | hagna | UtahBot: what's the temperature? |
| 18:32.16 | fozzmoo | tristanbob: Not sure what you mean. |
| 18:32.34 | fozzmoo | Trying to get excited about Java... |
| 18:32.48 | fozzmoo | it feels like I'm trying to get excited about manilla file folders. |
| 18:32.55 | tristanbob | fozzmoo: DNS change is the easiest, but I am worried about cached entries pointing to the wrong IP |
| 18:33.11 | fozzmoo | tristanbob: Yeah, that's a problem... for about 24-48 hours. |
| 18:33.22 | sjansen | tristanbob: Create a temporary A record for the new system then replace the old system's A record with a CNAME pointing at the new system's A record. One the system is production, replace the CNAME with a TXT record. |
| 18:34.17 | sjansen | ~excite fozzmoo |
| 18:34.24 | fozzmoo | sjansen: How come you were absent at UTOSC? |
| 18:34.33 | tristanbob | sjansen: or do you recommend just changing the IP address (a little more work, more places to change) |
| 18:34.35 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I was in Houston teaching. |
| 18:34.42 | fozzmoo | sjansen: :( |
| 18:35.00 | fozzmoo | I thought for sure you'd be there because it was a short week |
| 18:35.13 | sjansen | tristanbob: My recommendation was a joke. The reference to convert a CNAME to a TXT record was the giveaway. |
| 18:35.28 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I wondered about that. |
| 18:36.01 | tristanbob | sjansen: perhaps I should RTFM DNS |
| 18:36.30 | elg | tristanbob: you can mitigate that with foresight |
| 18:36.45 | elg | set the ttl to be small a couple days before, and then the caching problems will only last a few minutes |
| 18:37.05 | tristanbob | elg: I thought about that, but do outside DNS server honor our TTLs? |
| 18:37.10 | sjansen | elg: Assuming caches that observe the TTL correctly. |
| 18:37.15 | elg | they're supposed to |
| 18:37.37 | tristanbob | do most DNS servers do that? |
| 18:37.38 | fozzmoo | Who's that guy that loves Java? Bryan Sant? |
| 18:37.48 | sjansen | Unfortunately, some are broken. You'll have to decide if you care about people behind broken servers. |
| 18:38.05 | fozzmoo | Maybe I should find out if he's willing to... excite me. |
| 18:38.07 | elg | fozzmoo: yup |
| 18:38.09 | tristanbob | http://member.dnsstuff.com/pages/tools.php |
| 18:38.12 | brac | [DNS Stuff: DNS tools, DNS hosting tests, WHOIS, traceroute, ping, and other network and domain name tools.] |
| 18:38.15 | elg | tristanbob: yes, most behave themselves |
| 18:38.22 | elg | for some definition of most |
| 18:38.42 | elg | fozzmoo: you might want to clear it with his wife first |
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| 18:40.42 | elg | ~lart harleypi{1g} |
| 18:40.42 | ibot | stuffs harleypi{1g} into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 18:40.47 | elg | doh |
| 18:40.53 | sjansen | ~excite fozzmoo |
| 18:40.54 | ibot | ACTION sends 4 million volts through fozzmoo and watches him VOOM. Good times! |
| 18:41.12 | elg | for those that missed it earlier (/me eyes sjansen) |
| 18:41.12 | elg | http://www.doctorwhoscarf.com/ |
| 18:41.15 | brac | [Doctor Who Scarf] |
| 19:00.08 | thaddeusq | ~congratulate klys |
| 19:00.09 | ibot | ACTION congratulates klys on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 19:00.45 | klys | you learn anything this week? |
| 19:04.58 | Supaplex | is the brick on warranty? ;) |
| 19:05.34 | klys | well, I was just considering hollowing it out a little |
| 19:06.08 | klys | gtk.ButtonBrick |
| 19:07.17 | klys | where's a good 'hello to GTK' theme I'm wondering |
| 19:12.39 | klys | 16-high buttons should be able to fit at least an 8-pt font |
| 19:13.56 | klys | could just pull a default theme, though I bet default is overdone |
| 19:18.09 | goozbach | sjansen: no need for a blood oath |
| 19:18.16 | goozbach | the invitations haven't gone out yet |
| 19:18.20 | goozbach | you'll be gettin one |
| 19:23.16 | goozbach | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070910 |
| 19:23.19 | brac | [UserFriendly Strip Comments] |
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| 19:32.20 | tensai | tristanbob: if you drop the TTL to something low, anything in the 60-300 second range, you can safely change the DNS entry |
| 19:32.50 | tristanbob | Tene: that is what we are going to do - thanks |
| 19:33.04 | tensai | the problem with 1-2 day wait times is because the root servers use long TTLs, so any changes there take a while |
| 19:34.49 | fozzmoo | "This year's smile... captured forever!" |
| 19:34.55 | fozzmoo | That doesn't sound like a good thing. |
| 19:35.16 | fozzmoo | But that's what the flyer the school sent home with my kids about class pictures says. |
| 19:35.45 | levi | Wow, only $1099 for a 3.0Ghz quad-core Core 2. |
| 19:36.39 | Tene | fozzmoo: read the docs for the parrot compilr tools. that'll get you excited. |
| 19:36.41 | levi | Well, "only" |
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| 19:42.19 | fozzmoo | Tene: Yeah, but I need to get LESS excited about the Perlverse. |
| 19:45.56 | Tene | fozzmoo: have you done anything with Jifty yet? |
| 19:45.58 | Tene | ;) |
| 19:47.04 | Jayce^ | Tene, now you're being mean.. |
| 19:47.19 | Tene | >.> |
| 19:47.39 | Tene | Jayce^: I also stole the speakers from his office. |
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| 20:14.36 | rsimpkins | Do I need to put a notice up on plug.org that plug is cancled tonight? |
| 20:14.50 | Jayce^ | probably.. I've actually had a few folks ask me about it |
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| 20:16.47 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: What's your plug e-mail? |
| 20:16.59 | Jayce^ | jason@ think I might still have jayce@ |
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| 20:48.21 | rsimpkins | They need to come out with an up-to-date version of TRON that isn't lame. |
| 20:48.43 | rsimpkins | Like, matrix+transformers meets TRON or soemthing. :) |
| 20:49.56 | goozbach | rsimpkins: didn't you hear? |
| 20:50.06 | goozbach | there's a tron sequel in the workds |
| 20:50.11 | goozbach | er works |
| 20:50.43 | rsimpkins | I hope it isn't lame. |
| 20:50.54 | goozbach | http://www.star-ecentral.com/movies/buzz/buzz.asp?file=archives/buzz/2007/9/12Tronsequel&date=9/12/2007 |
| 20:50.57 | brac | [The Star Online eCentral - Malaysia Entertainment] |
| 20:50.59 | hagna | the odds of a new movie being lame are pretty high |
| 20:51.29 | rsimpkins | They might as well make an 'animated' tron then, for the kiddies. |
| 20:51.48 | levi | They're going to do Robotech, too. |
| 20:52.01 | goozbach | http://crunchgear.com/2007/09/11/tron-sequel-officialized/ |
| 20:52.24 | goozbach | it's got a couple of the writeers for Lost |
| 20:52.32 | fozzmoo | If they do TRON 2.0 in 3D it could be cool just for that. |
| 20:52.41 | fozzmoo | and you KNOW it's got to be two-point-oh |
| 20:52.42 | goozbach | so it's got a bigger chance of not sucking right there |
| 20:52.57 | fozzmoo | goozbach: It could also be pointless. ;-) |
| 20:53.03 | rsimpkins | A fun idea might be a throw back to the old Tron - how mainframes are replaced with HPCs. And the Internet opens up foreign 'invaders' to the 'tron land' etc. |
| 20:53.25 | hagna | remake tron sounds like step 1 of the 'next big hit' formula |
| 20:53.30 | hagna | remake X |
| 20:53.32 | hagna | profit |
| 20:53.33 | goozbach | fozzmoo: ther already is a two-point-oh |
| 20:53.34 | goozbach | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/tron20/. |
| 20:53.40 | goozbach | which isn't a bad game |
| 20:53.49 | goozbach | I rather enjoyed it |
| 20:56.07 | goozbach | great game |
| 21:01.33 | bachisanerd | ever wish you could just talk to your programs in plain English the way Tron's programmer talks to him in the I/O tower? |
| 21:02.46 | fozzmoo | I wish I had an implant that would allow me to blog just by thinking about it. |
| 21:03.55 | fozzmoo | Did I just say that out loud? :) |
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| 21:20.40 | levi | Alas, I can't do PLUG this semester. |
| 21:20.51 | fozzmoo | Wed evening class? |
| 21:20.53 | klys | bachis: hey man |
| 21:20.57 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:21.02 | fozzmoo | levi: Bummer. |
| 21:21.07 | bachisanerd | klys: yeah |
| 21:21.13 | bachisanerd | got my MIDI i-face working |
| 21:21.18 | klys | bachis: word |
| 21:21.31 | klys | did you cat /dev/midi00 |
| 21:22.20 | klys | type `reset' afterwards |
| 21:22.40 | bachisanerd | no... didn't do that... |
| 21:22.58 | bachisanerd | I'm in 'doze right now. Left the MIDI stuff at home. |
| 21:23.39 | klys | oh, maybe we'll talk about it later |
| 21:23.46 | bachisanerd | I'll have it all tomorrow |
| 21:24.09 | bachisanerd | got rosegarden working too, MIDI at least. Having some problems with JACK and ALSA I think |
| 21:24.57 | klys | tomorrow I work and might get back around 3:30 |
| 21:25.16 | bachisanerd | I'll be around. |
| 21:25.45 | klys | ever done programming? |
| 21:26.25 | klys | just wondering, I was working on some python today |
| 21:26.35 | bachisanerd | Javascript, ActionScript, PHP, some C |
| 21:26.38 | bachisanerd | no python |
| 21:27.02 | klys | my hosting does php and perl, so I stick to perl |
| 21:27.32 | klys | have firefox open: |
| 21:27.32 | klys | ? |
| 21:27.36 | fozzmoo | klys: What?! No Java?! |
| 21:27.36 | bachisanerd | I did a bit of pearl in school but haven't touched it since. |
| 21:27.40 | bachisanerd | yea I did |
| 21:27.50 | fozzmoo | klys: Perl is lame. Java is the best there is. |
| 21:27.50 | klys | lessee |
| 21:27.54 | bachisanerd | yeah my school did Java |
| 21:28.00 | bachisanerd | forgot about that |
| 21:28.14 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: No. PHP is the best! :P~~ |
| 21:28.22 | bachisanerd | got Firefox open |
| 21:29.14 | klys | cgi, php, asp, ssi, perl |
| 21:29.36 | fozzmoo | CGI and SSI aren't languages. :) |
| 21:29.57 | bachisanerd | how do I do that little ***bachisanerd whatever trick? |
| 21:30.05 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.23 | klys | and misspells it in the process |
| 21:31.59 | elg | fancy schamncy new printer, taking 10 minutes to print a few moderately-detailed pdf pages |
| 21:32.05 | elg | ~lart printers |
| 21:32.05 | ibot | takes a big bite out of printers's jugular vein |
| 21:32.17 | klys | it's not a laser printer I'm guessing |
| 21:32.24 | elg | oh yes |
| 21:32.28 | fozzmoo | color? |
| 21:32.35 | elg | B&W |
| 21:32.37 | fozzmoo | elg: How much RAM? |
| 21:33.20 | elg | plenty I gather |
| 21:33.31 | elg | or reckon |
| 21:33.35 | elg | depending on where I'm from |
| 21:33.52 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:34.21 | elg | http://www.superwarehouse.com/Lexmark_W840/25A0075/p/623630 |
| 21:34.26 | elg | one of them |
| 21:34.59 | elg | it usually spits the pages out faster than a cowboy on chewing tobacco |
| 21:35.24 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I'd say it should spit stuff out. |
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| 21:35.33 | PelaoFeliz | yeah, at that price |
| 21:35.34 | elg | but this particular document (which gives my macbook a slight pause on the pages in question) seems to bring it to its knees |
| 21:35.35 | PelaoFeliz | woo-ee! |
| 21:35.44 | bonez39 | /server irc.dal.net:7000 |
| 21:35.48 | bonez39 | eek. |
| 21:35.57 | fozzmoo | WElcome to irc.dal.net, bonez39 |
| 21:36.14 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 21:36.26 | klys | try /connect |
| 21:36.26 | elg | now we know where he's connecting we can bring him down |
| 21:38.15 | bonez39 | yeeooooooooowwwwwwwwww |
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| 21:58.25 | levi | Argh. Stupid me, doing this homework in Excel on the Mac. |
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| 22:04.43 | Supaplex | there's a mac port of openoffice |
| 22:06.15 | fozzmoo | uh huh |
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| 22:09.56 | fozzmoo | ti`ocpi: HI! |
| 22:10.11 | klys | hilall |
| 22:10.14 | ti`ocpi | Hi Fozz! |
| 22:10.21 | fozzmoo | ti`ocpi: Chuptoo? |
| 22:10.35 | brasto | dude, what's with ibot? |
| 22:10.50 | ti`ocpi | Just got home from school/work |
| 22:10.56 | klys | ma'am, what's with onjoin |
| 22:11.01 | klys | anyway |
| 22:11.34 | fozzmoo | ti`ocpi: I worked from home today. Watched a show about serial murderers. It was great! |
| 22:11.44 | ti`ocpi | :P |
| 22:11.48 | ti`ocpi | I wish I could work from home |
| 22:12.36 | fozzmoo | I wish I could always work from home. |
| 22:13.02 | klys | I wish I knew |
| 22:13.23 | ti`ocpi | My job doesn't allow me to work from home though :( |
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| 22:15.04 | klys | what kind of wish I knew what type of job was worth doing at home |
| 22:15.34 | fozzmoo | klys: How about... being a mom? |
| 22:16.12 | goozbach | harleypi1? is someone trying to clone harleypig? |
| 22:16.17 | goozbach | hmm |
| 22:16.32 | goozbach | watch for one of them to shave off the beard into a goatee |
| 22:16.38 | goozbach | that'll be the evil one |
| 22:17.05 | klys | hmm, again, the economics surrounding a job are then like, you're close with your employer if you're at home |
| 22:20.16 | klys | there must be some potential for profit in running a business the other way |
| 22:23.19 | ti`ocpi | This may be stupid to say, but Cedar is built on an incline. And it really *really* sucks |
| 22:24.33 | Tene | ti`ocpi: visit SF sometime. |
| 22:24.46 | ti`ocpi | :P |
| 22:25.01 | ti`ocpi | But see, the problem isn't that we're on an incline - it's that it actually *looks* flat. |
| 22:25.11 | ti`ocpi | But apparently EVERYONE but me knew that it was slightly inclined |
| 22:25.23 | ti`ocpi | I swear I almost died riding my bike to school today |
| 22:26.42 | ti`ocpi | Also: my head is sunburned :( |
| 22:27.06 | fozzmoo | ti`ocpi: What a hothead. |
| 22:29.37 | TimRiker | anyone know a good place in or near slc to pick up higher end cat5 line testing hardware? Looking for something like http://www.test-um.com/product_detail.asp?itemno=TP607 |
| 22:29.40 | brac | [Test-Um Inc, - The Intelligent Test Solutions Company] |
| 22:30.00 | klys | is EBC there? |
| 22:30.15 | fozzmoo | Hope not. |
| 22:30.28 | fozzmoo | ~lart EBC |
| 22:30.28 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P EBC' action |
| 22:31.57 | klys | byte-tech on 3300 S |
| 22:32.03 | fozzmoo | TimRiker: I've seen some pretty decent test equip at Codale. |
| 22:32.07 | PelaoFeliz | TimRiker: Graybar doesn't have anything to fit the bill? |
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| 22:34.06 | klys | ...network associates... |
| 22:36.59 | elg | notwork |
| 22:37.23 | fozzmoo | klys: Tell me about byte-tech. Their website sucks. |
| 22:37.28 | klys | netpath systems on 2400 S |
| 22:37.31 | klys | ok |
| 22:38.19 | fozzmoo | Netpath's website doesn't indicate any kind of onsite inventory. Just a service shop. |
| 22:38.39 | klys | it's "server, pc, hub, switch, router, lan, wan, vpn, contract, onsite, consulting", 487-4482 |
| 22:38.58 | klys | for byte-tech |
| 22:39.32 | fozzmoo | My office is just down the street from them. I'll have to check them out for stuff as-needed. |
| 22:40.02 | klys | koo |
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| 22:42.12 | klys | also microworks |
| 22:42.12 | TimRiker | http://www.standardsupply.com/ <- check out their awesome "new catalog" |
| 22:42.30 | klys | hmm, location? |
| 22:43.01 | TimRiker | Standard Supply Electronics - 3424 South Main St. Salt Lake City UT 84115 USA |
| 22:43.32 | klys | wow that's good stuff |
| 22:45.08 | goozbach | that is why you ALWAYS have a staging enviroment |
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| 22:47.20 | klys | harley: pi = 3.1415926535897932384626 |
| 22:48.15 | fozzmoo | I'm impressed that Standard Supply is inching out of the 1980s. :) |
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| 22:50.05 | fozzmoo | http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/frankfurt-motor-show-a-lack-of-knowledge-regarding-toyotas-iq/ |
| 22:50.06 | brac | [Frankfurt Motor Show: A Lack of Knowledge Regarding Toyota’s iQ - Wheels - Autos - New York Times Blog] |
| 22:51.21 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/images/comp-papers.jpg |
| 22:52.59 | fozzmoo | elg: What are we looking at? |
| 22:53.10 | elg | the next couple months of my life |
| 22:53.15 | fozzmoo | :-/ |
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| 22:53.18 | elg | :) |
| 22:53.40 | klys | I like the etihW tuO bottle ;) |
| 22:53.43 | elg | thems are the papers I get to read and summarize in a literature survey |
| 22:53.58 | elg | called "comprehensive examination" |
| 22:54.16 | elg | 2-up double sided |
| 22:54.25 | elg | the plan is to be done by Christmas |
| 22:54.48 | klys | sure youwon't be dumb anyway a year after that? |
| 22:54.50 | Tene | Heh, from a friend trying to figure out if a button on his keyboard generates any events: "hmm, I did a tail on /dev/stdin and it doesn't show anything either" |
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| 22:55.32 | elg | klys: almost 12 |
| 22:56.15 | klys | nwhat kind of authors does it include? |
| 22:56.21 | elg | mostly human |
| 22:57.29 | klys | popular contemprary american authors, charles dickens, enlightenment era, or maybe a timeline approach, etc... |
| 22:57.59 | klys | s/prary/porary/ |
| 22:58.10 | klys | ~lart himself |
| 22:58.10 | ibot | tries to shut himself up |
| 23:01.50 | elg | um, mostly contemporary though not necessarily mostly american |
| 23:02.39 | elg | all contemporary if you consider the 80s contemporary :) |
| 23:03.39 | klys | so |
| 23:04.02 | klys | you're reading about the reagan era |
| 23:04.54 | elg | those are the old papers |
| 23:05.00 | elg | most are post-2k |
| 23:05.08 | klys | ok |
| 23:05.20 | klys | how much is fiction |
| 23:06.29 | klys | I'd have to guess it's all fiction if it's for lit |
| 23:07.23 | elg | no fiction, I hope |
| 23:07.56 | elg | computer music scientific literature |
| 23:08.39 | klys | cool |
| 23:08.52 | klys | and I see your keyboard |
| 23:09.07 | klys | do you have midi running with linux as well? |
| 23:09.13 | elg | yup |
| 23:09.20 | klys | want some timing code? |
| 23:09.34 | klys | it'll show you what you're playing |
| 23:09.55 | elg | in what way? |
| 23:10.34 | klys | the scale is printed in text mode at a terminal with sharp, flat, natural designated [x#bn] |
| 23:11.04 | klys | the speed is changed using the numbers from quarter to 1/256 notes |
| 23:11.19 | klys | and you can change the key |
| 23:11.35 | klys | it's from /dev/midi00 |
| 23:12.03 | klys | and it's known to work with at least two keyboards and started work with an electric piano |
| 23:14.09 | klys | my preferred terms are gpl |
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| 23:17.02 | bonez39 | I need to create a custom search plugin for firefox....anyone know or have experience in doing this? |
| 23:17.17 | nick125 | bonez39: I used to. |
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| 23:17.39 | bonez39 | I found a tutorial on creating such,...and it suggests that I write up an xml script....but it doesn't explain how to name the script or where to put it... |
| 23:18.01 | brailsmt | what is a good command line image viewer? I used to use electric eyes, but it isn't available in gentoo portage anymore, and i'd rather not use imagemagick's display |
| 23:18.44 | brailsmt | i'll shoot the first person to suggest i install ubuntu |
| 23:19.18 | elg | install ubuntu |
| 23:19.24 | klys | qiv, ppmtofb (my hack) |
| 23:19.42 | goozbach | brailsmt: I'm a fan of eog |
| 23:19.48 | goozbach | "Eye of Gnome |
| 23:19.49 | goozbach | " |
| 23:19.57 | elg | I like eye of gnome too. |
| 23:20.00 | bonez39 | Eye of gnute... |
| 23:20.11 | bonez39 | er...eye of newt |
| 23:20.12 | klys | it's good for a plugin to eg. thunar or nautilus |
| 23:20.17 | Tene | brailsmt: feh |
| 23:20.40 | brailsmt | thunar != command line |
| 23:20.50 | klys | so ask me about my fb hack |
| 23:20.52 | klys | already |
| 23:21.42 | klys | ~lart himself |
| 23:21.42 | ibot | follow's himself with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 23:22.21 | brailsmt | oh looks like we have a winner... feh has the fewest dependencies between feh, qiv, and eog... |
| 23:23.02 | elg | oh, I thought he was swearing at you |
| 23:23.10 | brailsmt | was feh written by the same guy that wrote rbot? |
| 23:23.23 | elg | yar |
| 23:23.39 | brailsmt | another plus forfeh |
| 23:23.40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:23.46 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 23:24.15 | brailsmt | lol |
| 23:24.19 | brailsmt | man feh: |
| 23:24.20 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.20 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.30 | brailsmt | haha |
| 23:24.45 | klys | elg, what's your fav. midi sequencer? |
| 23:24.55 | elg | all midi sequencers suck |
| 23:25.03 | elg | rosegarden seems to suck the least |
| 23:25.20 | klys | mine, what if you don't know whether it does yet |
| 23:25.41 | elg | although for regular (i.e. step-sequenced) stuff seq24 is clearly waycool |
| 23:25.52 | elg | by regular I mean, um, not expressive |
| 23:26.49 | klys | does it stop recording when you let up? |
| 23:26.55 | elg | the only sequencer that notsucks would be the one that matches the way I work. I'm a keyboardist, I record in real time |
| 23:27.10 | elg | almost everything out there is obviously written by non-keyboardists |
| 23:27.22 | elg | who don't even realize how painfully slow their input methods are |
| 23:27.23 | brailsmt | gah, anyone know how in xfce4 how to force windows to a specific locations? |
| 23:27.23 | klys | well, are you at least wanting something that works? |
| 23:27.33 | elg | rosegarden "works" |
| 23:28.55 | klys | and you don't code in C so you dont want to hack a midi recording...or maybe...you don't see the point in working without a playback feature already implemented |
| 23:29.29 | klys | might work on it, it just seems too easy |
| 23:30.16 | elg | here's a short list of my reqs: transport nav from the keyboard (computer or midi, preferably both); replace and dub recording; loop/punch recording; key-triggered recording; 0, key-triggered, 1, 2 measure lead-in options; metronome, 16 tracks, the usual suspects; raw midi event list; solo, mute; undo; time display in bars/beats/seconds/etc.; straight-up midi channels/tracks. don't confuse things with other "user-friendly" terminology; plain simple smf as |
| 23:30.16 | elg | the save format. |
| 23:30.42 | elg | i have a list of advanced features that would be Really Nice™ too. :) |
| 23:30.57 | klys | ok, it's just C calls and printf as of now. it uses an array. |
| 23:31.22 | elg | the funny thing is my JW50 from like 1990 did all of that with a 2"x3" LCD screen and a floppy drive |
| 23:32.12 | klys | d.jeffery@myrealbox.com |
| 23:33.39 | elg | advanced features: markers; rewind (play backwards); punch in/out; tranzport support; matrix/piano roll; notation output (lilypond); track and song names; "segment" or "song" view |
| 23:33.58 | klys | it's pretty close to notation output |
| 23:34.14 | klys | you could rework printf easily to input into sdc/lout |
| 23:37.37 | klys | what save format do you want? |
| 23:37.49 | klys | I think .xm would be cool |
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| 23:45.50 | brailsmt | i read this *fascinating* article at work today detailing how its possible to access an array element using named constants... It was written like this was some novel idea no one had ever had before... |
| 23:46.04 | brailsmt | i just sort of laughed at it... |
| 23:46.11 | brailsmt | an enum ,what a concept |
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