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| 01:09.13 | Zelut | tristanbob: looks like you got taken care of? |
| 01:11.42 | Supaplex | megenta toner in my printer is offically SHOT. :`( |
| 01:12.04 | Supaplex | stupid thing won't let me print black only copies... grr |
| 01:14.59 | levi | Supaplex: Don't you hate that? |
| 01:15.10 | Supaplex | tiz lame |
| 01:15.22 | levi | I found out they don't carry my printer's ink in the local wal-mart anymore. |
| 01:15.32 | levi | Hopefully the local office store will have it. |
| 01:15.46 | Supaplex | I bought some on ebay, but the lady said she's gone for a few days. :-/ |
| 01:21.20 | Supaplex | lets see how it likes a missing megenta cart. |
| 01:24.46 | Supaplex | no luck. |
| 01:29.10 | Supaplex | well I have 10 copies for UTOSC atleast. my rebates hang in the balance tho. :P |
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| 03:03.13 | elg | so what the heck *is* a vtoc |
| 03:03.16 | elg | ? |
| 03:03.17 | elg | ~vtoc |
| 03:03.28 | elg | guess you're not getting that job ibot |
| 03:06.23 | fozzmoo | herlo: ping |
| 03:10.54 | Supaplex | yay I found my upc |
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| 03:22.12 | fozzmoo | ~lart OOXML |
| 03:22.12 | ibot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays OOXML in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
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| 03:24.58 | fozzmoo | Wow! Red Hat has joined our channel! |
| 03:25.10 | Tene | Wow! |
| 03:26.04 | fozzmoo | Tene: What kind of connectivity do you have at your apartment? |
| 03:26.13 | Tene | fozzmoo: xmission dsl. |
| 03:26.15 | Tene | Why? |
| 03:27.11 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 03:27.32 | Red_Hat | LOL!!! |
| 03:27.51 | fozzmoo | Tene: Just curious. |
| 03:28.03 | Tene | Or were you asking about connection speed? |
| 03:28.41 | fozzmoo | Nah. Just wondered if you had comcast/DSL/Utopia |
| 03:29.18 | Tene | *nod* |
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| 03:52.05 | jayce | ouch, netapp suing sun, claiming zfs infringes on patents... |
| 03:56.01 | fozzmoo | jayce: Ahhh the joys of patents. |
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| 04:08.45 | levi | maquis: Are you here, or is that just your client messing around? |
| 04:08.56 | maquis | levi: i'm here now |
| 04:09.12 | maquis | i just switched tuxgirl.com to point at my desktop instead of my neverblock account |
| 04:09.24 | levi | Ahh. Hi. :) |
| 04:09.27 | maquis | hi |
| 04:09.37 | maquis | i think i managed to not kill too much stuff on my website, too :) |
| 04:09.47 | maquis | looks like the special characters might not have come across too well |
| 04:11.59 | levi | I like not having to pay hosting costs for my silly websites. |
| 04:12.25 | maquis | yeah |
| 04:12.59 | maquis | i just needed hosting for one year |
| 04:13.07 | maquis | and so now i'm moving off of it again |
| 04:13.16 | maquis | back to self-hosting, which is more fun anyways :) |
| 04:17.21 | fozzmoo | maquis: But will goozbach be depressed that he's not hosting tuxgirl.com? |
| 04:17.25 | levi | Well, I don't know that I'd call it fun. |
| 04:20.28 | maquis | levi: :P |
| 04:23.07 | levi | I don't do much with them, so it's not much of anything. |
| 04:27.53 | fozzmoo | Poor goozbach. |
| 04:33.56 | herlo | fozzmoo: pong |
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| 05:18.00 | levi | Anyone here pour concrete for a patio or something recently? |
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| 06:00.39 | herlo | It is now conference day! |
| 07:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone mind running some quick DNS tests for me? I just need the reported nameservers for averageurl.com (dig averageurl.com. NS) |
| 07:24.20 | Tene | ~nslookup averageurl.com |
| 07:24.27 | Tene | ~nslookup averageurl.com NS |
| 07:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That's no good. |
| 07:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Odd, but... no good. |
| 07:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | If there are no nameservers, how is it getting the (correct) IP? |
| 07:25.35 | Tene | ibot's nslookup isn't very smart. |
| 07:25.52 | Tene | averageurl.com name server ns1.averageurl.com. |
| 07:25.52 | Tene | averageurl.com name server slv1.1and1.com. |
| 07:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | What IP are you seeing for ns1? |
| 07:26.17 | Tene | ns1.averageurl.com has address 64.122.30.6 |
| 07:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Die |
| 07:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well, thanks |
| 07:29.41 | Tene | np |
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| 13:56.44 | ^Migs^ | has anyone ever used phpgedview before? http://www.phpgedview.net |
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| 14:05.06 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Yeah, but it's been a couple of years... |
| 14:05.45 | ^Migs^ | Dreamhost just added it to its one-click-installs dealie. I'm checking it out for my extended family web site. |
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| 14:37.34 | PelaoFeliz | hail! |
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| 15:05.59 | ^Migs^ | are charter schools worth it? |
| 15:06.18 | ^Migs^ | I have the opportunity here to become a technical volunteer and founding member for a new charter school that's opening here, and guarantee my kids a spot in the school |
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| 15:20.24 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, they are if you put in your time.. they take more work, and that's what makes the difference |
| 15:21.26 | ^Migs^ | wait |
| 15:21.28 | ^Migs^ | why do they take more work? |
| 15:23.01 | thaddeusq | ^Migs^: charter schools require all parents to volunteer a certain number of hours to the school |
| 15:23.34 | ^Migs^ | oh okay |
| 15:23.42 | ^Migs^ | that's fine with me |
| 15:24.56 | Jayce^ | jsmith, actually, charters are doing well, most private ones are the ones with issues |
| 15:26.27 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'm glad to hear that... last I checked, the state school board wasn't too happy with the failure rate |
| 15:27.18 | ^Migs^ | this new one that's opening requires 150 hours to become a founding member and guarantee your children a spot |
| 15:27.34 | Jayce^ | well, most of the stats school board has been anti-charter overall... according to them still, nobody *wants* to be in charter schools... |
| 15:27.50 | ^Migs^ | and apparently they need technical people, because the current ones don't know what they're doing |
| 15:27.59 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, common situation |
| 15:28.02 | ^Migs^ | their "web guy" is trying to use Zoho as their central database |
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| 15:31.10 | ^Migs^ | it's always funny when people type their emails in ALL CAPS TO LET ME KNOW THEY'RE FRUSTRATED |
| 15:31.30 | brando1 | Anyone set up a cgi or any script to text message a phone? I don't need anything fancy, the best would even be a wget to a url with the phone number and text in the url |
| 15:39.53 | PelaoFeliz | brando1: it's basically just an email is all... |
| 15:40.18 | PelaoFeliz | so you can just throw a script together that sends the email to the right place, and it becomes a text message |
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| 15:42.04 | brando1 | pelaofeliz: I actually just grabbed googles text messenger, put the form on my local apache server and wrote a java script to document.form.submit with all my default values. It's working fine. ;) |
| 15:42.17 | PelaoFeliz | woohoo! |
| 15:42.33 | brando1 | that's an ugly hack but it works. ;) |
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| 15:47.30 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: I used phpgedview a few years ago |
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| 15:47.48 | tristanbob | it was very nice as online genealogy goes |
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| 15:54.47 | ^Migs^ | it does seem nice |
| 15:54.52 | ^Migs^ | and it's awesome that Dreamhost made it so easily available |
| 16:01.20 | elg | zappos.com++ |
| 16:01.44 | elg | "order by 1pm get the shoes the next day" (Free overnight shipping) |
| 16:03.23 | levi | elg: Which shoes did you get? |
| 16:03.47 | levi | So, the Forno Bravo site has pretty much converted me to the idea of building a Pompeii oven. |
| 16:03.52 | findlay-w | shoes are one of those things I'm unwilling to get online |
| 16:05.38 | elg | I order at like 5pm yesterday, and it's still on the fedex truck for delivery today |
| 16:06.01 | elg | findlay-w: well I tried to get some from famous footwear, but they didn't have the style I wanted, but they apparently did online |
| 16:06.14 | elg | so they have a free shipping, take it back to the store if they don't fit thing, so I tried that |
| 16:06.18 | findlay-w | well I guess that's different |
| 16:06.29 | elg | then 3 days later they call and tell me that they don't have my size (even though it looked like they did on the website) |
| 16:06.40 | elg | nobody has my size in anything interesting |
| 16:06.51 | findlay-w | the long tail, the long tail! |
| 16:06.53 | findlay-w | :) |
| 16:07.02 | elg | but I tried on some (ugly) docs in various styles in size 12 uk and they all seem to fit fine, so I think it'll work out just fine |
| 16:07.22 | elg | zappos ships overnight for free, and gives you a return shipping label (also for free) should they not fit |
| 16:07.29 | elg | it's not a bad setup |
| 16:07.54 | levi | That sounds reasonable. |
| 16:08.31 | elg | i got these: http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7365106/c/123064.html |
| 16:08.34 | brac | [Dr. Martens Lenny 8 Eye Shoe - Free OVERNIGHT Shipping & Return Shipping] |
| 16:08.59 | levi | Nice. |
| 16:10.03 | levi | I haven't looked at their shoes recently. I don't recall any Docs that didn't have boot-like soles. |
| 16:10.06 | ^Migs^ | my 4 year-old daughter's starting gymnastics today. This is going to be tons of fun. |
| 16:10.31 | elg | levi: there's a few styles, like that |
| 16:10.38 | elg | the majority still have platform soles :) |
| 16:11.03 | findlay-w | elg: not bad at all |
| 16:15.58 | levi | elg: So, what's your opinion on a pompeii oven vs. a barrel vault oven as in the Bread Builders book? |
| 16:17.13 | tensai | jsmith: a word doc? seriously? |
| 16:17.41 | elg | mostly that domes are cooler than barrels. :) |
| 16:18.01 | elg | I'm not sure if there's any draft implications in one or the other, but it seems that they'd both work fine |
| 16:18.42 | levi | There's a guy on the Forno Bravo forums that made a geodesic dome out of firebrick. |
| 16:20.15 | levi | That would definitely be pretty cool. |
| 16:27.41 | ^Migs^ | http://crunchgear.com/2007/07/26/presenting-the-bsod-tattoo/ |
| 16:29.33 | jsmith | tensai: I know, I complained about it (twice!) but was told both times to leave it alone |
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| 17:05.46 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:05.46 | ibot | stamps Jayce^ on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
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| 17:18.39 | Jayce^ | ~keighvin Keighvin |
| 17:27.07 | Keighvin | AUGH! Help! There's UI code in this SQL! |
| 17:28.22 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, you're coding again? |
| 17:28.35 | Jayce^ | or just working with uncle_jesse |
| 17:29.26 | Keighvin | I'm doing a lot of coding along with my design. Stuff is busted enough here that it doesn't make too much sense to propose architectural nirvana - not when the software still slobbers and can't tie its own shoes. |
| 17:29.39 | Keighvin | I haven't touched uncle_jesse's stuff yet. |
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| 17:36.21 | levi | elg: http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/dmuns-36-geodesic-oven-765.html |
| 17:39.20 | maquis | Keighvin: does it drool too? |
| 17:39.25 | maquis | and is it potty-trained? |
| 17:41.34 | elg | levi: yeah, I saw that. I was considering geodesic for awhile |
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| 17:41.43 | elg | would still be cool for a full-size oven |
| 17:42.03 | elg | though, making the outside geodesic is not incompatible with just about any interior shape |
| 17:42.13 | elg | and making the inside geodesic is mostly boring :) |
| 17:43.52 | tensai | ~keighvin $foo is <action> puts UI code in $foo's SQL |
| 17:43.53 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 17:44.30 | fozzmoo | hee hee |
| 17:45.03 | goozbach | yay! Utah |
| 17:45.13 | Jayce^ | ~utah goozbach |
| 17:45.17 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:45.32 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you heading to ostc this afternoon? |
| 17:45.49 | goozbach | I'm glad I didn't come back to Guru Labs before I decided to take the job in ATL |
| 17:45.57 | goozbach | come back as in visit |
| 17:46.16 | goozbach | Jayce^: yeah, I'm just finishing up my demo, and then I'm off for there |
| 17:46.22 | Jayce^ | k |
| 17:46.33 | Jayce^ | have something in my car to show you :-p |
| 17:46.45 | neybar | I think he has some candy for you |
| 17:47.00 | goozbach | the old creepy guy is going to show me candy? |
| 17:47.02 | Jayce^ | just come out back :) |
| 17:47.06 | goozbach | YAY! |
| 17:47.08 | goozbach | candy! |
| 17:47.11 | goozbach | I love candy! |
| 17:47.16 | elg | vontrapp_: ping |
| 17:48.05 | Jayce^ | atoponce, when does perens get in? |
| 17:48.30 | goozbach | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/30 |
| 17:48.30 | brac | [Penny Arcade! - The Tournémon, Part Four] |
| 17:48.33 | atoponce | Jayce^: dunno. |
| 17:48.39 | goozbach | Jayce^: that's for you |
| 17:49.00 | Jayce^ | yeah, remember that one.. |
| 17:49.39 | Jayce^ | don't forget goozbach , Harleypig drives a van :) |
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| 17:56.28 | Keighvin | Yes it drools, no it's not potty trained. |
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| 18:10.49 | Keighvin | ~Keighvin tensai |
| 18:10.50 | ibot | ACTION tidies up tensai's code base |
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| 19:00.22 | levi | atoponce: Your dumb blog marked my highly-hammy comment as spam, so you'll have to dig it out of your moderation system. |
| 19:00.42 | levi | Probably because I was silly enough to include a URL of my reference. |
| 19:05.28 | levi | It should be a pretty straightforward explanation of why your algorithm doesn't actually run in O(sqrt(n)) time on a real computer. |
| 19:06.08 | levi | And how it is actually exponential in the number of bits used to represent your integer. |
| 19:27.27 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, that ipod touch is the dumbest thing I've ever seen |
| 19:27.34 | ^Migs^ | what can it do that a PDA from 2002 can't? |
| 19:27.56 | ^Migs^ | it doesn't even take SD cards, and like the stupid iPhone, if the battery goes, you have to send it in |
| 19:28.00 | Jayce^ | very nice touch interface |
| 19:28.08 | ^Migs^ | my PDA has that, too |
| 19:28.17 | Jayce^ | not like that no.. |
| 19:28.22 | Keighvin | And it tops out at 16GB. |
| 19:28.27 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:28.32 | ^Migs^ | omg, what a joke |
| 19:28.41 | ^Migs^ | I can't believe how everyone is going apeshiz over this |
| 19:28.50 | Keighvin | Apple sells shine & flash. |
| 19:28.51 | ^Migs^ | dude |
| 19:28.54 | ^Migs^ | the ipod touch is a step BACKWARD |
| 19:28.57 | Jayce^ | the screen quality and interface controls far surpass any pda's out there. |
| 19:29.03 | Keighvin | They rely heavily on ferret-shock. |
| 19:29.07 | Jayce^ | the size works for most people (not me) |
| 19:29.12 | ^Migs^ | it's as big as an iphone |
| 19:29.25 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's not all that big, but big enough for the video to be very nice |
| 19:29.40 | ^Migs^ | It can't even play streaming audio, can't play games... |
| 19:29.40 | Keighvin | Now, I've played with the iPhone, so I can see how that would make a potentially effective mobile computing platform. But the interface actually becomes a restriction for anything too intensive. |
| 19:29.47 | ^Migs^ | my PDA has been able to do that for YEARS |
| 19:30.22 | Jayce^ | really, you can zoom with the two-finger motion etc? |
| 19:30.37 | Keighvin | I zoom with a key combination. |
| 19:30.46 | Keighvin | FN+Zoom |
| 19:30.48 | atoponce | levi: ok. thx |
| 19:30.55 | Jayce^ | but why need key combos? :) |
| 19:31.16 | Keighvin | Why have to obscure my view while attempting to interact with my data? |
| 19:31.22 | Keighvin | AND leave a streak on the screen? |
| 19:31.46 | Keighvin | It's pretty, yes - even close to revolutionary, like Apple tries to shoot for. |
| 19:31.59 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, ah, but you don't have to obscure, and the material doesn't streak (otherwise would suck).. |
| 19:31.59 | Keighvin | But it is NOT uber-inclusive, nor an end-all paradigm change. |
| 19:32.16 | Jayce^ | not end-all, but very much a leap.. which was needed.. |
| 19:32.21 | atoponce | levi: wow. my spam system marked yours hard. it says because of your email addy has already been blacklisted. |
| 19:32.24 | Keighvin | Oh come on, since when do geek-fingers (i.e., munchie cotaminated digits) not leave a streak? |
| 19:32.27 | ^Migs^ | who cares about two-finger motion zooming |
| 19:32.34 | atoponce | levi: not sure, but dug out at any event. :) |
| 19:32.39 | ^Migs^ | I don't want to get my grubby fingers all over the touchscreen anyway. Who knows where they've been? |
| 19:32.48 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, after trying the scrolling, I do.. much more natural |
| 19:32.52 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:33.00 | ^Migs^ | Jayce^ has succumbed to the marketing hype |
| 19:33.14 | Keighvin | Jayce^ has been a mac-boy for years. |
| 19:33.17 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, no, I don't own one.. but the interface is very compelling for a first gen |
| 19:33.21 | ^Migs^ | poor Jayce^ |
| 19:33.31 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, no, that's you.. I've only recently been using them |
| 19:33.35 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for Apple-BAAAA |
| 19:33.35 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Jayce^ for Apple-BAAAA |
| 19:33.43 | ^Migs^ | sorry, but I'd rather buy a 5 year-old PDA than an ipod touch |
| 19:33.45 | Keighvin | BAAAA = lame attempt at sheep sounds. |
| 19:34.03 | ^Migs^ | it would have TONS more features |
| 19:34.10 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, my new PDA still doesn't come close to what the iphone/touch do |
| 19:34.11 | atoponce | levi: good comment. thx. there is a lot i can learn with Big O and algorithms in general |
| 19:34.15 | Keighvin | Yes, I've been using Mac - they're more stable for large photoshop work than MS, more secure generally, and easier to tweak. |
| 19:34.19 | sjansen | goozbach: Visiting GL would've made it too tempting to stay? |
| 19:34.21 | atoponce | levi: always good to learn from one wiser than i |
| 19:34.24 | ^Migs^ | as far as this so-called "interface improvement" you would be right |
| 19:34.38 | ^Migs^ | okay, what can the ipod touch do that your new PDA can't? |
| 19:34.43 | ^Migs^ | besides what we just discussed? |
| 19:34.44 | atoponce | levi: i do plan on updating the algo, actually, to see if i can seriously speed things up |
| 19:34.48 | atoponce | anyway |
| 19:34.56 | ^Migs^ | can you record? |
| 19:35.02 | ^Migs^ | can you make appointments in a calendar? |
| 19:35.04 | ^Migs^ | can you write notes? |
| 19:35.07 | ^Migs^ | can you play games? |
| 19:35.09 | Jayce^ | yes, you can |
| 19:35.24 | ^Migs^ | we're talking ipod touch, not iphone, because I agree the iphone is cool |
| 19:35.37 | Jayce^ | you can do that to |
| 19:35.43 | ^Migs^ | do what? |
| 19:35.47 | Jayce^ | it's still the same OS |
| 19:35.48 | ^Migs^ | I just rattled off a list of a few things |
| 19:35.51 | ^Migs^ | oh, okay |
| 19:36.03 | ^Migs^ | I thought you couldn't connect to the Internet |
| 19:36.06 | ^Migs^ | except for iTunes |
| 19:36.15 | Jayce^ | sure you can |
| 19:36.25 | sjansen | ^Migs^: You obviously aren't the market for an iTouch. They're market to real people who love shiny things. Not geeky people who memorize weird acronyms. |
| 19:36.26 | Jayce^ | iTunes was just the "new" thing they displayed |
| 19:36.36 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 19:36.49 | ^Migs^ | yeah, sorry. I don't fall for marketing propaganda. |
| 19:37.15 | sjansen | It's not propaganda. It's marking research. |
| 19:37.22 | ^Migs^ | delivered in a propagandic form |
| 19:37.23 | Jayce^ | part of the demo, and the reason they showed safari, is because other music devices with wireless can't access most open/public 802.11 because they require web login forms |
| 19:37.37 | Jayce^ | so it's actually *user* driven needs |
| 19:37.46 | sjansen | The found that most people don't realize they want a calendar yet. Maybe they even don't. They found that most people don't want SD cards, maybe because they don't know what they are. |
| 19:37.49 | ^Migs^ | well, I'm still stubbornly FURIOUS |
| 19:38.04 | ^Migs^ | HOPPING MAD, if you will |
| 19:38.05 | Jayce^ | but they showed all the usual things, browsing sites like facebook to starbucks |
| 19:39.03 | Jayce^ | the reason for the SD card is more likely that average people dont' need it, it's designed for synching just the current stuff you're watching.. plus that adds another hole to the precious design |
| 19:39.13 | sjansen | Fact is, we still haven't figured out what a good handheld electronic device looks like. |
| 19:39.13 | Jayce^ | it's also a lot of the reason that I don't want one.. |
| 19:39.29 | Jayce^ | if they'd put the darn 160gb drive in it, then I'd be a little more lust-filled |
| 19:39.59 | sjansen | Apparently it isn't a PDA. And apparently it isn't _just_ a phone. So what is it? |
| 19:40.19 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's, it's.. "undesigned" |
| 19:40.26 | sjansen | Yep. |
| 19:40.31 | Jayce^ | agreed |
| 19:40.55 | sjansen | Personally, I don't think it's iAnything because they're too limited. But bravo to Apple for being daring enough to try such a simplistic device. |
| 19:41.05 | sjansen | Good to shake up some ancient assumptions. |
| 19:41.09 | Jayce^ | I think the iphone/touch has some great features, and was a necessary splash of some difference in a world of lousy devices |
| 19:41.23 | Keighvin | And is $$$ |
| 19:41.30 | Keighvin | But that's always been Apple. |
| 19:41.37 | sjansen | I recently bought an n800. Still trying to figure out if it's worth the money or not. |
| 19:41.59 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, but show me comprable devices that aren't $$$.. . yes apple often costs a lot, but so do most the others.. |
| 19:42.00 | Tene | sjansen: let me know when you come to a conclusion. I've been considering it. |
| 19:42.10 | sjansen | One things for sure, the n800 is better than than an iAnything for me at least since it's Linux based and I can hack on it to discover it's best uses. |
| 19:42.36 | Keighvin | Sorry Jayce^, you still sound like a fanboy. |
| 19:42.57 | sjansen | Tene: It'll probably take awhile for me to report. By then Nokia will probably have something better. You'll be glad you waited and I'll wish I had. |
| 19:43.01 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, and you still sound like yourself :) |
| 19:43.17 | Tene | Will you regret the purchase enough that taunting would be effective? |
| 19:43.28 | Keighvin | What, cautious and frugal? I'll take that any day, thanks. |
| 19:43.33 | Keighvin | Oh, and self-assured. |
| 19:43.35 | Jayce^ | after playing with brads, then a coworkers openmokos, I really couldn't see myself wanting one for anything more than play |
| 19:43.51 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, no, running with a screw loose |
| 19:44.41 | Keighvin | I highly doubt, sir, that if pushed for clarification on your statement regarding my mental health, that you would be capable of providing concrete analysis beyond, "Uh, I needed a retort." |
| 19:44.43 | sjansen | With maybe a little of that guy with the shotgun from Back To The Future |
| 19:44.44 | Tene | Jayce^: neo1973? They're still doing major UI work on that, I thought. |
| 19:45.06 | Jayce^ | Tene, yeah, needs it *bad* |
| 19:45.29 | Tene | There was a major UI rework just recently, with plans for much more. |
| 19:45.33 | sjansen | Tene: One thing I can tell you, the n800 suffers from the lack of a keyboard. |
| 19:45.33 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, no, most would recognize it. |
| 19:45.48 | Tene | The UI is still in basic research mode. |
| 19:46.06 | Tene | sjansen: you don't want to carry around a full-sized bluetooth keyboard ot use with it? ;) |
| 19:46.17 | sjansen | Another thing I can tell you is Nokia is obviously unsure how the device will be used and is hoping the F/OSS world will write some of the core apps for it. |
| 19:46.23 | Keighvin | Jayce^ Still nothing concrete, sorry. You're welcome to borrow my DSM if you like - it's ver. IV-TR. Somewhat dated, but still the latest on the subject. |
| 19:47.03 | sjansen | For example, I was shocked to discover it had no built in calendaring. There are two F/OSS options, but each is annoying in its own way. |
| 19:47.22 | sjansen | Either too awkward or too simplistic. |
| 19:47.24 | Jayce^ | nah, I'll let actual professionals deal with that :) |
| 19:47.35 | sjansen | The good news is if I care enough, I can help improve one of them. |
| 19:48.45 | sjansen | Nokia seems to think the target for n800 is wireless+audio+video+Web+chat. |
| 19:48.45 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for running away. |
| 19:48.45 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on Jayce^ for running away. |
| 19:48.57 | Jayce^ | ? |
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| 19:49.11 | Keighvin | 14:02 <@Jayce^> nah, I'll let actual professionals deal with that :) |
| 19:49.15 | Keighvin | That's a cop-out. |
| 19:50.01 | sjansen | The n800 is surprisingly useful for browsing, considering how tiny it is. I'm not so addicted to chat I'd ever use it for that. More awkward than an mp3 player in my pocket, but surprisingly decent. Haven't done much video but it's surprisingly good. |
| 19:50.20 | Jayce^ | not a cop-out, that a realistic belief that there is more to it than just reading a book, and making semi-professional sounding statements as fact |
| 19:50.26 | sjansen | One use I was hoping for was as an eReader but it's not very good for that. |
| 19:50.26 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:50.49 | sjansen | ~Jayce^ |
| 19:50.50 | ibot | i guess jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. Um bom cara. wants to be hired by SCO, or an April Fool |
| 19:51.07 | sjansen | Jayce^ is a good face? |
| 19:51.09 | Keighvin | sjansen: How hilariously appropriate. |
| 19:51.26 | Jayce^ | my bro just switched from palm to the latest windows one.. was immediately reminded of just how bass-ackwards those are |
| 19:51.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen, how goes? Good Well? Well Good? |
| 19:52.07 | Keighvin | Jayce^: If you're insinuating that I'm just reading books and making semi-professional sounding statements as fact, I would like you to produce examples of such. Don't sling something vague - I'm pushing for concrete here. |
| 19:53.03 | Keighvin | I'm not even asking that you eliminate statements containing commonly accepted anecdotal conjecture. |
| 19:53.29 | sjansen | Keighvin: My cat's breath smells like cat food. |
| 19:53.42 | Jayce^ | Look, if you intend by that utilization of an obscure colloquiallism to imply that my sanity is not up to scratch, or indeed to deny the semi-existence of my little chum Eric the Half-Bee, I shall have to ask you to listen to this! Take it away, Eric the orchestra leader! |
| 19:54.11 | Keighvin | Still got nothin, huh? |
| 19:54.29 | Jayce^ | actually, I think it was quite the relation |
| 19:54.30 | sjansen | ~give Keighvin all of Jayce^'s stuff |
| 19:54.31 | ibot | ACTION gives all of Jayce^'s stuff to Keighvin |
| 19:54.41 | sjansen | Now he's got nothing. |
| 19:55.22 | Keighvin | Jayce^: It was barely topical; there's a contextual overlap, but still fails to address the original challenge. "relation" does not equate satisfaction, sir. |
| 19:55.29 | Keighvin | And I say, sir, I demand satisfaction. |
| 19:57.34 | ^Migs^ | I need a CMS with a lot of bling bling, and AJAXy things that zip and zort and are all shiny and make the user go OOOOOO. Anyone know of anything like that? |
| 19:58.04 | Tene | migs: I suggest cocaine. |
| 19:58.17 | neybar | or a lobotomy |
| 19:58.21 | ^Migs^ | not exactly the answer I was looking for... |
| 19:58.45 | Tene | migs: look at the "software that uses us!!!" pages for the popular ajax libraries. |
| 19:58.54 | Tene | scriptaculous, dojo, mochikit, etc. |
| 19:58.59 | ^Migs^ | haha, ok |
| 19:59.05 | Tene | That's a good place to start. |
| 19:59.56 | ^Migs^ | I need to redesign our school district web site and I feel it needs PIZAZZ |
| 20:00.28 | neybar | oh... in that case just put up a picture of a cat with a cute caption. The teachers won't notice the difference |
| 20:02.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/report_school_shootings_help |
| 20:03.12 | ^Migs^ | I can think of at least 20 teachers right now who would fit your half-serious statement, neybar |
| 20:03.59 | neybar | I know. I said that in jest, but I was serious. I used to work for a school district. |
| 20:05.18 | ^Migs^ | which district? |
| 20:05.35 | neybar | alpine |
| 20:05.49 | ^Migs^ | how many students? |
| 20:06.03 | ^Migs^ | when you were there, at least |
| 20:06.08 | neybar | *shrug* all of north utah county |
| 20:06.32 | levi | Gee, Computerworld says my C programming skills are becoming obsolete. If only that were true. |
| 20:08.38 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6981558.stm |
| 20:08.40 | brac | [BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Daft robber writes name on wall] |
| 20:08.43 | ^Migs^ | An 18-year-old burglar who vandalised a children's campsite building was caught because he wrote his name on a wall at the scene, a court has heard. |
| 20:09.08 | goozbach | sjansen: yes too tempting |
| 20:09.20 | goozbach | I'm sitting here at the table in classroom two |
| 20:09.30 | goozbach | kinda missing the atmosphere |
| 20:11.41 | levi | Regarding the iPod Touch - It's clearly not intended to be a PDA or a palmtop computer. It's a personal multimedia device, just like all the other iPods. |
| 20:12.09 | levi | Sure, it's got some PDA functionality, but that's not what it /is/. |
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| 20:17.41 | Aliosa27_ | i hope they add a2dp to a revision of the touch as well as some sexy bluetooth ibuds |
| 20:21.16 | rsimpkins | Why would someone choose amavis over clamav for e-mail virus scanning? |
| 20:23.18 | neybar | because amavis does more than just virus scanning. |
| 20:23.24 | neybar | amavis can use clamav |
| 20:23.30 | neybar | but it can also do other things |
| 20:23.40 | thaddeusq | like fight spam |
| 20:23.49 | neybar | for example you can use it for defanging |
| 20:23.51 | goozbach | rsimpkins: because amavis comes before clamav in the "great big book of everything" |
| 20:27.16 | levi | Aliosa27_: a2dp? |
| 20:27.43 | Tene | levi: bluetooth high-quality audio |
| 20:34.12 | levi | Oh. |
| 20:35.02 | levi | I wouldn't have much use for that. |
| 20:35.57 | Tene | oh? |
| 20:39.22 | Tene | Why not? |
| 20:40.05 | levi | If I'm going to spend a lot of money on headphones, it'll be to get better sound, not bluetooth stuff. |
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| 20:40.40 | Tene | 'kay |
| 20:41.17 | levi | In a car, assuming I ever felt like spending a bunch of money on a way to connect an iPod, I'd prefer a dock connector. |
| 20:41.55 | Tene | *nod* |
| 20:42.54 | goozbach | nod off will you? |
| 20:43.10 | levi | Same with home stereo integration. I'd prefer a dock adapter. |
| 20:43.31 | goozbach | he really did it |
| 20:43.38 | goozbach | throwing a pen at me |
| 20:43.41 | goozbach | geez |
| 20:43.55 | Tene | I totally did. |
| 20:44.49 | sjansen | ~reward Tene |
| 20:44.50 | ibot | ACTION gives Tene a brownie point. And a *kick* in the pants! |
| 20:44.54 | Tene | Ack! |
| 20:44.56 | Tene | My pants! |
| 20:45.58 | beandog | my brownies! |
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| 20:51.21 | mrpull | i'm torn between attending this evening's UTOS sessions or watching the NFT opener |
| 20:51.30 | mrpull | da da da daaaaan (the NFL theme) |
| 20:51.56 | mrpull | i suppose i'm not going to find many #utah'ers that say "watch the football man!" |
| 20:52.45 | thaddeusq | mrpull: Watch football man! |
| 20:52.46 | sjansen | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918 |
| 20:54.17 | sjansen | ~punish mrpull |
| 20:54.18 | ibot | ACTION forces mrpull to install and use Windows |
| 20:54.21 | mrpull | sjansen: i was surprised to see the name signed to that message |
| 20:54.38 | mrpull | funny stuff |
| 20:54.49 | mrpull | i wonder why people complain that linus can be hard to work with |
| 20:55.29 | sjansen | He's straight shooting, opinionated, and (worst of wall) often right. |
| 20:57.04 | goozbach | reminds me of someone else... |
| 20:57.40 | mrpull | goozbach: thanks man! |
| 20:58.00 | sjansen | mrpull: You know he was talking about himself. Sheesh, it's so transparent. |
| 20:58.02 | goozbach | mrpull: a true geek would say "tivo NFL", go to the conference, and then watch it tonigh when you get home |
| 20:58.17 | goozbach | who you calling straight shooting? |
| 20:58.24 | goozbach | I'm usually pretty subtle |
| 20:58.34 | goozbach | the other two however... spot on |
| 20:58.40 | mrpull | i've had a tivo for a long time, but I just cant watch sports time-shifted more than 5-10 minutes |
| 20:59.08 | sjansen | goozbach: A real geek would use Tivo. They'd MythTV it then stream ogg to a portable device and watch while attending UTOSC at the same time. |
| 20:59.12 | Tene | If he's not watching it live, his cheers can't affect the outcome of the game, sjansen!!! |
| 20:59.21 | Tene | erm... goozbach! |
| 20:59.39 | mrpull | tene: its true |
| 20:59.53 | mrpull | i'm not superstitious about anything |
| 20:59.57 | mrpull | except maybe sports |
| 21:00.01 | mrpull | i cant explain it |
| 21:00.33 | mrpull | i have considered buying a slingbox so I could watch replays on TV on my phone |
| 21:00.43 | mrpull | while watching the game at the stadium |
| 21:00.56 | mrpull | ...but that is awfully geeky too |
| 21:01.50 | thaddeusq | mrpull: I'll spoil it for you right now. High scoring game, Colts win by 10. |
| 21:02.13 | mrpull | high scoring is good with me... i've got fantasy football players on both squads |
| 21:02.24 | thaddeusq | mrpull: Now you can go to the conference since you already know the outcome. |
| 21:03.41 | mrpull | so what sort of "utah open source awards" will be awarded? |
| 21:04.12 | thaddeusq | mrpull: You were supposed to send in nominations. |
| 21:05.02 | thaddeusq | You were supposed to nominate sjansen for the best looking beard and redbeard for the best cookies |
| 21:05.16 | ^Migs^ | is there some good FOSS that can be used to push out automatic updates to a number of workstations |
| 21:05.34 | ^Migs^ | e.g., install new applications, upgrade existing ones... |
| 21:05.41 | thaddeusq | mrpull: Or somebody else for making a contribution to forwarding the use of open source in Utah. |
| 21:05.47 | ^Migs^ | or rather, push out images of the workstations |
| 21:07.10 | goozbach | I nominate goozbach as the most winningish |
| 21:07.17 | goozbach | ~goozbach |
| 21:07.18 | ibot | somebody said goozbach was a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 21:07.32 | thaddeusq | winningish at what? |
| 21:07.39 | Tene | ~tene |
| 21:07.40 | ibot | somebody said tene was Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach, or evil, or the ML master. Attach ye dragon |
| 21:08.25 | goozbach | Tene: who's winninsh at idlerpg now? |
| 21:08.39 | ^Migs^ | I pwn at idlerpg |
| 21:09.00 | ^Migs^ | WTF a fly just flew in my ear |
| 21:11.32 | goozbach | ^Migs^: what's your charater? |
| 21:11.39 | goozbach | and which bot is it on? |
| 21:12.33 | goozbach | http://idlerpg.numist.net/oldlebot/players.php |
| 21:12.35 | brac | [#IdleRPG Idle RPG: Player Info] |
| 21:12.51 | ^Migs^ | oh, I don't play anymore |
| 21:12.56 | goozbach | you own? |
| 21:13.04 | goozbach | and you don't play anymore? |
| 21:13.18 | ^Migs^ | I think it was on a different network |
| 21:14.09 | levi | Hmm, I have a copy of the scrumbook now. |
| 21:14.12 | TimRiker | what needs to happen to get folks into http://utosc.org/ for the $55 discount price? also are keynote only passes available at the desk? they are no longer available on the web site. |
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| 21:15.21 | thaddeusq | TimRiker: you may want to ask in #utos |
| 21:15.29 | TimRiker | good idea. :) |
| 21:16.49 | levi | Linus is nothing if not opinionated. |
| 21:19.03 | levi | I also think he's pretty wrong-headed sometimes, and that email is full of wrongness, but his essential point that C++ programmers are likely to screw up is probably true, since there are so many of them and C++ provides so many ways to screw up. |
| 21:19.38 | TimRiker | which email? |
| 21:20.01 | levi | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918 |
| 21:20.15 | levi | sjansen posted it here a few minutes ago. |
| 21:24.31 | mrpull | now I cant find my registration for utos... |
| 21:25.12 | mrpull | nm.... wrong email account. |
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| 21:58.34 | fozzmoo | goozbach: YES! |
| 21:58.47 | goozbach | I should head south |
| 21:58.53 | goozbach | but I'm not done with my presentation |
| 21:59.21 | Tene | goozbach: Want me to unplug power to the system you're working on? Will that help? |
| 22:01.38 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Neither am I. :( |
| 22:01.47 | fozzmoo | I should go do that now. |
| 22:03.59 | goozbach | Tene: no, but the reason I was so distracted isn't an issue anymore |
| 22:04.16 | Tene | Can I do it anyway? |
| 22:07.46 | goozbach | Tene: can I kick you in the neck? |
| 22:07.56 | Tene | goozbach: sure! |
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| 23:15.55 | Keighvin | ~whalestab redbeard2 |
| 23:15.56 | ibot | ACTION stabs redbeard2 with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 23:16.16 | Keighvin | He's a Beluga. |
| 23:17.29 | redbeard2 | Keighvin: are you going to be at the conference this weekend? |
| 23:17.35 | Keighvin | Nope. |
| 23:17.59 | redbeard2 | Keighvin: i'd ~lart you, but it seems you've already done that for yourself by not coming |
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| 23:18.25 | Keighvin | *shrug* |
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| 23:24.39 | tensai | customer signed up for service today and wanted to connect his Windows 95 computer. that was a blast from the past. |
| 23:25.07 | tensai | and turned out to be a short walk off a long pier since he didn't have a NIC and finding one with Win95 drives will next to impossible |
| 23:29.44 | Keighvin | That wasn't signing up for internet service, was it? |
| 23:29.44 | Keighvin | I mean, what's the background-radiation hack time down to for a non-firewalled Win98 machine these days? 28 seconds on average? |
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| 23:44.28 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 23:45.36 | nick125 | Hey guys, I'm looking for a decent keyboard to pick up at bestbuy to replace this old MS keyboard that only gets abot 30% of what Iacall ype |
| 23:45.52 | nick125 | *gets about 30% of what I actually type |
| 23:48.34 | elg | congratulations |
| 23:48.53 | nick125 | Any suggestions? |
| 23:48.57 | elg | logitech |
| 23:49.24 | nick125 | I was looking at the G15 |
| 23:50.10 | elg | looks like overkill, but hey |
| 23:50.29 | nick125 | I'm gonna go over to bestbuy and take a look |
| 23:50.39 | elg | i like small form factor (that definitely is not) |
| 23:50.51 | elg | and the more gizmos it has the lower quality the keyboard tends to actually be, imho |
| 23:51.29 | elg | i have this one, and there's a pc-themed one too |
| 23:51.30 | elg | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/158&cl=us,en |
| 23:51.37 | elg | i don't really use the mouse, but the keyboard is nice |
| 23:51.46 | elg | I didn't pay anywhere near $80 for it though |
| 23:52.22 | elg | this looks like the dark side equivalent http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/145&cl=us,en |
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