| 00:41.05 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (n=sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 00:41.46 | *** join/#utah radtke (n=radtke@189.8.98.2) |
| 00:59.08 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@66.236.68.4.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 01:07.50 | *** join/#utah ccjoe (n=ccjoe@c-67-166-124-229.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 01:15.39 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.06 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 01:31.10 | bmidgley | goozbach: screenshot? |
| 01:36.26 | *** join/#utah ti`ocpi (n=Chelle@michmax.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 01:48.55 | levi | Woot, my new DVD player shipped. |
| 01:53.29 | goozbach | I was thinking more programicily |
| 01:53.33 | goozbach | as I want to script it |
| 02:06.22 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (n=sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 02:06.42 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 02:10.01 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@66.236.68.4.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 02:13.29 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (n=sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 02:13.39 | sinuhe | ~sinuhe sinuhe |
| 02:13.40 | ibot | ACTION describes all the benefits of GNU*PLUS*Linux to sinuhe |
| 02:40.39 | *** join/#utah Lakshmi (n=chatzill@adsl-69-109-164-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 02:41.49 | *** join/#utah vontrapp (n=von@70.102.163.132) |
| 02:42.48 | vontrapp | wtf? how is hotsite, my (crappy) isp, giving me a response to a request for a page on MY ROUTER!!! |
| 02:43.03 | vontrapp | geez |
| 02:53.14 | vontrapp | it could be i had the wrong address set up :/ |
| 03:09.30 | *** join/#utah Red_Hat (n=AL@c-67-186-243-160.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:15.35 | Supaplex | vontrapp: run that by us one more time? |
| 03:20.48 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@h460727b9.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:23.47 | *** join/#utah hatul3061 (i=hatul30@gateway/tor/x-5e7a8832a0b622f9) |
| 03:28.13 | *** join/#utah zerdith (n=zerdith@66-188-62-254.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) |
| 03:50.03 | *** join/#utah hatul3061 (i=hatul30@gateway/tor/x-224b9212a7d95af1) |
| 04:00.20 | findlay-w | tensai: yes |
| 04:09.49 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166-70-238-250.ip.xmission.com) |
| 04:12.12 | *** part/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@adsl-75-0-136-70.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:14.07 | fozzmoo | What fun weather/power we have. |
| 04:15.15 | *** join/#utah klys (i=admini@72.8.100.12) |
| 04:15.55 | findlay-w | ~power |
| 04:15.56 | ibot | power is probably for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power, or the derivative of energy with respect to time |
| 04:18.40 | fozzmoo | That's not really what I was thinking. |
| 04:22.24 | rsimpkins | Are you having power problems? |
| 04:25.00 | fozzmoo | Lots of my clients are. |
| 04:27.10 | rsimpkins | My neighbor's metal shed almost blew in to another neighbor's house. |
| 04:27.32 | rsimpkins | Fun and games. A few of us ran out there to try to keep it from plowing in to someones house. |
| 04:27.55 | rsimpkins | It was one of those rather large well built metal sheds - not the cheap kind. Very heavy. |
| 04:28.14 | rsimpkins | 400 lbs. metal kite. :) |
| 04:28.15 | klys | sharing VNC sessions with roomies can be fun |
| 04:28.32 | klys | especially when the terminal is popular |
| 04:34.23 | Tene | as opposed to audio monitor? |
| 04:34.29 | klys | haha |
| 04:34.48 | klys | we are dealing with it not working on a reular basis, here's me fixing it again |
| 04:34.55 | klys | s/reular/regular/ |
| 04:38.46 | klys | ok, works... |
| 04:39.28 | klys | he was clicking on something and getting a blank window that wasn't loading, probably because the site is really busy |
| 04:43.27 | *** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-161-221-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:32.15 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.19 | RyanE | heh |
| 05:45.04 | *** join/#utah opopanax (n=steve@c-67-168-174-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:12.19 | *** join/#utah Sargun (n=Sargun@69-12-240-206.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 06:43.42 | levi | Hmm, the uvsc website appears to be down. |
| 06:46.02 | levi | Had nasty storms here earlier. |
| 06:46.10 | levi | We got a little power blink, too. |
| 06:46.49 | Supaplex | the one for the kvm+monitors apparently needs the battery replaced. :P |
| 06:47.06 | levi | The ups kept my critical stuff up, but my DVR shut down. |
| 06:47.31 | Supaplex | w00pz |
| 06:47.55 | Supaplex | I scavange ups's and toss newish batteries in them. saves me a grundle. |
| 06:49.08 | Supaplex | oh crap. |
| 06:49.37 | Supaplex | eg, bzcat ..19.. ..29.. | patch -p1 |
| 06:49.40 | Supaplex | heh |
| 12:48.02 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 12:59.59 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@205.122.50.233) |
| 13:16.58 | vontrapp | wicked awesome thunderstorm!!! |
| 13:34.59 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@000-181-995.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 13:53.27 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@208.53.47.251) |
| 13:59.11 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@66.236.68.4.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 14:16.50 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (n=thaddeus@216.49.181.128) |
| 14:17.03 | *** join/#utah redbeard2 (n=route@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 14:19.27 | *** join/#utah cardinal (i=judevrie@nat/novell/x-7158133960410a4e) |
| 14:25.50 | tensai | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 14:25.50 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets redbeard2 feel it |
| 14:48.17 | *** join/#utah mrpul1 (n=Jake@66.133.96.54) |
| 15:04.37 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@000-181-995.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 15:06.19 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@64.0.193.157) |
| 15:08.52 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 15:17.39 | *** join/#utah neybar (n=jalance@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:30.35 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp40.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 15:34.00 | *** join/#utah Aliosa27 (i=aliosa27@dhcp203.office.xmission.com) |
| 16:03.42 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@66.7.122.158) |
| 16:11.38 | goozbach | I blame redbeard2 |
| 16:12.17 | goozbach | if he wouldn't have mentioned his problemst getting through ATL, I would have ndever opened my mouth |
| 16:13.20 | goozbach | and I wouldn't be stuck in the ATL airport because some motard forgot to disconnect the lavatory hose before driving the honey truck away |
| 16:13.47 | goozbach | thereby stranding ~250 people |
| 16:14.35 | goozbach | redbeard2: it's all your fault |
| 16:16.16 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 16:17.37 | *** join/#utah unum (n=unum@70.89.247.221) |
| 16:18.03 | Jayce^ | goozbach, would have been better if you hadn't plugged up the honey-bucket |
| 16:20.04 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@66.60.228.140) |
| 16:22.44 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:32.12 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208.64.90.18.static.utahbroadband.com) |
| 16:41.03 | ^Migs^ | my daughter starts gymnastics today |
| 16:41.05 | ^Migs^ | er, tomorrow |
| 16:50.16 | sjansen | My cat's breath smells like cat food. |
| 16:50.47 | findlay-w | ugh |
| 16:51.04 | findlay-w | that is exactly why you don't let nontechnical people make technical descisions |
| 16:51.10 | findlay-w | s/s// |
| 16:51.18 | Jayce^ | my sjansen's breath smells like... |
| 16:51.26 | findlay-w | sjansen food? |
| 16:52.26 | findlay-w | so this ISP guy is supposed to come in and do his song and dance in the morning when I'm here |
| 16:52.48 | findlay-w | but he doesn't make it and I have to go to school before he eventually arrives |
| 16:53.18 | findlay-w | so instead he gives an advertisement tract and testimonial to the office people |
| 16:53.29 | sjansen | findlay-w: You expected that cable time to arrive on time? |
| 16:53.44 | sjansen | You're doing pretty well if he arrives on the day scheduled. |
| 16:54.00 | findlay-w | my question was: 'Do you do PRI?' which, it sounds like didn't get answered in my absence |
| 16:54.23 | findlay-w | he did reassure them, though, that 'they do do Cisco phones' |
| 16:54.33 | findlay-w | yeah, thanks internet guy |
| 16:54.46 | Jayce^ | they're do-doo? |
| 16:55.05 | sjansen | The New Adventures of Internet Guy and Linux Fan Boy |
| 16:55.24 | *** join/#utah ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 16:55.31 | sjansen | Internet Guy: I sense a disturbance in the subnet. |
| 16:55.37 | findlay-w | I hate dealing with businessy people |
| 16:55.43 | sjansen | Linux Fan Boy: What is it Internet Guy? |
| 16:55.48 | findlay-w | it makes me feel disgusting |
| 16:56.23 | findlay-w | just give me service and pitch your sales into the rubbish bin |
| 16:56.38 | findlay-w | or at least keep them away from the impressionable |
| 16:57.02 | sjansen | Internet Guy: My SNMP monitoring stations report Macrohard Proprietary-ware has launched an attack. To the route Linux Fan Boy! |
| 16:57.17 | sjansen | (cue cool packet routing sounds) |
| 16:57.31 | findlay-w | sjansen: Internet Guy is <Latest ISP sales guy> |
| 17:02.00 | ^Migs^ | I miss playing Oblivion |
| 17:09.59 | goozbach | i miss flights which leave on time |
| 17:10.37 | goozbach | redbeard2: this is all YOUR fault. |
| 17:10.37 | Jayce^ | ~lart goozbach's predicament |
| 17:10.37 | ibot | gives goozbach's predicament a good seeing to |
| 17:10.39 | *** join/#utah redbeard1 (n=route@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 17:10.58 | goozbach | redbeard1: dont go dodging |
| 17:11.20 | goozbach | i till need to blame one of the redbeards |
| 17:11.28 | goozbach | er still |
| 17:11.45 | redbeard1 | goozbach: are you stuck there right now or something? |
| 17:11.53 | goozbach | in ATL |
| 17:11.56 | goozbach | YUP |
| 17:13.07 | goozbach | some moron drove off withe the lavatory waste truck still attached to the plane |
| 17:13.48 | sjansen | nice! |
| 17:13.53 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@66.7.122.158) |
| 17:13.58 | goozbach | my 10:40 flight is now just boarding |
| 17:14.47 | sjansen | Wait, you're complaining about a 30 minute delay? |
| 17:14.49 | Jayce^ | heh. steve jobs during the current product announcement.... |
| 17:14.50 | sjansen | Wuss. |
| 17:14.52 | Jayce^ | "Now let's talk about the iPod. It's doing really well. They're... rather strong." Teehee. "We've sold over 110m to date... and you'll notice the place where the sales curve is strongest is during the holiday season... today we're going to refresh or replace EVERY single product in this lineup to get ready for this holiday season." |
| 17:15.30 | goozbach | the worst part is i was all asleep and cozy in my spot in the first plane |
| 17:17.47 | goozbach | sjansen: nope i am in ATL |
| 17:17.59 | goozbach | GTG boarding door |
| 17:23.30 | jsmith | goozbach: Have fun on the tarmac! |
| 17:29.20 | sjansen | WTH? curl-devel depends on e2fsprogs-devel? |
| 17:29.24 | sjansen | That's just wrong. |
| 17:29.40 | jsmith | sjansen: That certianly sounds wonky to me |
| 17:30.30 | Jayce^ | ouch, that's some nasty packaging |
| 17:31.09 | Tene | sjansen: how else do you expect curl to save files on ext2 filesystems? |
| 17:31.42 | sjansen | ~whack Tene |
| 17:31.42 | ibot | ACTION whacks Tene upside the head. |
| 17:33.07 | Tene | ;) |
| 17:33.58 | Jayce^ | Everybody in here remember to email spr your gpg fingerprint/id for the UTOSC keysigning? |
| 17:34.17 | sjansen | Any chance the keysigning can be scheduled for Saturday. |
| 17:34.27 | Jayce^ | slacker |
| 17:34.28 | jsmith | sjansen: Which distro is this? |
| 17:38.14 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@66.60.228.140) |
| 17:40.36 | findlay-w | uvsc has pretty much the lamest CAS in the world |
| 17:50.43 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@72.11.78.6) |
| 17:50.43 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:52.34 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@adsl-68-22-220-206.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 17:53.49 | Supaplex | is there any utosc stuff today? |
| 17:54.06 | Jayce^ | only some setup :) |
| 17:54.18 | Supaplex | I see. |
| 17:56.39 | redbeard1 | http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/ |
| 17:56.40 | Supaplex | if anyone has a webcam I can borrow that'll run on a mac, and somewhat to capture it, I'll try :) (if they let me) |
| 17:56.56 | Supaplex | s/somewhat/someway/ |
| 18:04.58 | ^Migs^ | The US Air Force has launched an investigation after a B-52 bomber flew across the US last week mistakenly loaded with nuclear-armed missiles. Army Times said the missiles were to be decommissioned but were mistakenly mounted on the bomber's wings. |
| 18:04.59 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 18:06.14 | Supaplex | woops |
| 18:06.38 | jsmith | ^Migs^: I knew something was wrong with last week! |
| 18:06.45 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6980204.stm |
| 18:06.48 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | US B-52 in nuclear cargo blunder] |
| 18:07.06 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Makes you wonder how many things like that *don't* get reported |
| 18:07.06 | elg | i think it was a plot to bomb canada and/or mexico |
| 18:07.38 | ^Migs^ | It's what they get for putting teenagers in charge of nukes |
| 18:07.48 | Supaplex | nawe, cuban atol ;) |
| 18:08.28 | jsmith | elg: How do you bomb Mexico if you're flying from Louisiana to North Dakota? |
| 18:08.57 | Supaplex | depends on the missle range. gps ftw. |
| 18:09.28 | elg | well I didn't know yet what "across the US" meant |
| 18:09.42 | elg | so it was definitely canada in the sights |
| 18:12.25 | jsmith | elg: Yeah, but wide stretches of wheat fields in Alberta? C'mon... now if it were flying to Detroit, I could see it... but North Dakota? |
| 18:13.13 | elg | I think they were aiming for the yukon |
| 18:13.16 | elg | but ran out of fuel |
| 18:14.47 | Supaplex | it's all a disgiuse. twas merely a pen test in their new plot to exterminate $POLITICALPARTY |
| 18:15.45 | ^Migs^ | it's all a big cover-up |
| 18:15.57 | ^Migs^ | clearly it was terrorists, but the govt is being all hush-hush about it |
| 18:17.39 | atoponce | Jayce^: ping |
| 18:17.53 | Jayce^ | yo |
| 18:18.08 | atoponce | who do we send the gpg key to for the keysigning party? |
| 18:18.15 | atoponce | and when will the party be held? |
| 18:19.17 | Jayce^ | spr, gpg @ scottr .org |
| 18:19.34 | Jayce^ | friday, I think the bof time is mid-day, maybe evening |
| 18:20.09 | tristanbob | woohoo! I just got the UTOSC to be an approved work function for me |
| 18:20.12 | atoponce | hmm. bummer. can't make the friday session |
| 18:20.27 | tristanbob | including expenses |
| 18:20.34 | Supaplex | schweet |
| 18:21.40 | Jayce^ | you can bug herlo about the schedule.. sjansen feels the same as you.. |
| 18:22.13 | jsmith | tristanbob: Schweet! You buying me lunch? (just kidding) |
| 18:22.27 | Supaplex | jsmith: that's what I heard to ;) |
| 18:22.35 | tristanbob | jsmith: perhaps ;) in exchange for some free asterisk training |
| 18:22.47 | jsmith | tristanbob: That's one expensive lunch! |
| 18:23.13 | jsmith | I'm happy to help people learn Asterisk as much as possible while I'm at UTOSC |
| 18:23.33 | jsmith | In fact, I should do an Asterisk BoF session |
| 18:23.46 | tristanbob | jsmith: at least you have a good self image of yourself :) |
| 18:24.00 | Supaplex | unless it involves ixj (I'll take a car load of ixj off your hands) |
| 18:24.01 | tristanbob | jsmith: bof indeed |
| 18:24.33 | atoponce | herlo: ping |
| 18:54.38 | *** join/#utah PelaoFeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 18:56.24 | levi | Cool new iPods. |
| 18:57.04 | ^Migs^ | aren't they basically just pdas? |
| 18:57.18 | ^Migs^ | don't fall into the marketing ploys |
| 18:58.00 | levi | They're like iPhones without phone and email stuff. |
| 18:58.38 | levi | There's no such thing as a PDA anymore, really. |
| 19:01.22 | Supaplex | ~tricorder levi |
| 19:03.06 | Supaplex | how do I use the screen stylesheet to print a webpage? I'd like the content and the design. the print one only shows content (which is what most people want) |
| 19:04.54 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 19:06.19 | jsmith | Supaplex: Hack the page! |
| 19:06.51 | Supaplex | i was too lazy for that, but yeah.. looks like the only way short of a screen shot |
| 19:08.01 | jsmith | Save the HTML, edit one line, and open in your browser... that's hard? |
| 19:08.45 | Supaplex | for a dozen pages |
| 19:08.51 | Tene | sed/perl |
| 19:09.39 | Supaplex | humm yeah. |
| 19:09.45 | jsmith | Tene: Awk! |
| 19:10.10 | Supaplex | oh sure, just gawk ;) |
| 19:10.11 | elg | talk about awkward |
| 19:10.15 | *** join/#utah hatul3061 (i=hatul30@gateway/tor/x-806c74f2d4bf891f) |
| 19:13.38 | *** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-161-221-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:15.31 | jsmith | elg: Good one... |
| 19:29.49 | sjansen | Yes, but can it run Linux? |
| 19:35.04 | levi | Stupid UVSC online tuition payment system seems to be down. |
| 19:35.20 | sjansen | http://paulgraham.com/colleges.html |
| 19:35.21 | brac | [News from the Front] |
| 19:36.59 | Supaplex | levi: were you trying to access it last night to? |
| 19:41.26 | sjansen | s/to/two/ |
| 19:42.03 | levi | Supaplex: The whole site seemed to be down last night. |
| 19:42.14 | levi | Now only the part I need is. :P |
| 19:44.22 | elg | sjansen: nice article, but he handwaves over the "Get a job" vs. "do well in a market" point. He obviously thinks in terms of independent non-corporate success (the best kind, eh?), but millions of drones still go to work at big companies where the ridiculous measure of where you went does indeed matter |
| 19:44.54 | sjansen | of course |
| 19:45.48 | sjansen | You have to read any PG article with a PG filter. But it's nice to see a well argued contrarian opinion. |
| 19:46.19 | levi | I think he's just pointing out that it is indeed a ridiculous measure. |
| 19:46.21 | elg | just for kicks, /me reads a PG article with an sjansen filter |
| 19:47.36 | herlo | atoponce: pong |
| 19:47.38 | sjansen | Arguably, as far as PG is concerned, that fact that you're concerned about getting a job means you're less qualified than a person daring enough to start their own venture. |
| 19:48.05 | atoponce | herlo: when is the keysigning party? |
| 19:48.10 | atoponce | fri? |
| 19:48.12 | elg | well I didn't say *I* wanted a job. :) |
| 19:48.14 | sjansen | herlo: Saturday, right? |
| 19:48.18 | elg | but nor do I want to found a startup |
| 19:48.22 | herlo | atoponce: Friday |
| 19:48.26 | sjansen | Please say Saturday. |
| 19:48.35 | atoponce | :( |
| 19:48.36 | herlo | sjansen: we'll have a *special* keysigning party just for you... |
| 19:48.36 | elg | unless you call consulting a startup |
| 19:48.38 | sjansen | herlo: Could you move the keysigning to Saturday? |
| 19:48.45 | herlo | sjansen: for you... |
| 19:48.45 | atoponce | herlo: me too? |
| 19:48.51 | herlo | atoponce: hmm |
| 19:48.51 | levi | elg: Doesn't /everyone/ want to found a startup?! |
| 19:48.58 | sjansen | Isn't Saturday a beautiful day for a keysigning? |
| 19:49.01 | herlo | maybe we should have a second BoF keysigning? |
| 19:49.06 | atoponce | sjansen: +1 |
| 19:49.10 | elg | doesn't everyone want to be a professor? |
| 19:49.18 | herlo | send a request to bofs@utos.org |
| 19:49.20 | levi | elg: Why not both? |
| 19:49.34 | elg | doesn't everyone want to be a movie star? |
| 19:49.37 | levi | elg: Found a startup, sell it to google, then you can be rich while you're a professor. |
| 19:50.01 | levi | I guess you could shoot a film or two in your spare time, too. |
| 19:50.05 | elg | startups are about hype. I don't do hype well |
| 19:50.19 | levi | elg: That's why you need a hype-filled co-founder! |
| 19:50.29 | elg | i prefer the methodical plodding of science. :) |
| 19:50.42 | sjansen | elg: Not so. Startups are about building a business. IPOs are about hype. |
| 19:50.47 | elg | I don't do hype-filled co{founder,worker}s well either |
| 19:51.21 | elg | sjansen: "starting a business" is about, eh, starting and building a business |
| 19:51.25 | sjansen | Some startups turn into small to medium businesses. Others flame out. Others IPO then flame out. A rare few IPO then become giants. |
| 19:51.40 | elg | "startup" is about being übercool and getting rich and/or getting someone to buy you |
| 19:52.06 | levi | Usually getting rich follows from getting someone to buy you. |
| 19:52.14 | sjansen | I suppose you could argue that on connotation. |
| 19:52.23 | elg | i suppose starting a sustainable business sans hype would technically still be a startup |
| 19:52.25 | elg | but that's semantics |
| 19:52.50 | sjansen | elg: You're willing to ba PhD but don't like arguing semantics? |
| 19:53.07 | elg | i never said I don't like arguing semantics. :) what did we just do? |
| 19:53.23 | sjansen | I win! |
| 19:53.37 | levi | sjansen: Now you lose. |
| 19:53.47 | sjansen | Nuh uh. |
| 19:53.48 | Supaplex | ~win |
| 19:53.49 | ibot | somebody said win was lose. |
| 19:53.53 | sjansen | I've got first move advantage. |
| 19:53.55 | levi | sjansen is a loser! sjansen is a loser! |
| 19:54.10 | sjansen | 'Cause I knows all about startups I knows first mover == biggest winner. |
| 19:54.15 | sjansen | I's gonna be rich! |
| 20:05.33 | levi | http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/COSA.htm |
| 20:05.34 | brac | [Project COSA] |
| 20:19.18 | sjansen | http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2007/08/seven-deadly-sins-of-erlang.html |
| 20:20.05 | sjansen | My question: why do I care what rebelscience does or thinks? |
| 20:21.26 | Supaplex | my printer is $*@$(ing about megenta being out, but the supply meter shows there's atleast 4x as much megenta as black (and black is ~1% remaining) |
| 20:21.28 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.28 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.15 | sjansen | Because repeated studies have shown programmers skilled in dealing with problems involving females. |
| 20:23.37 | elg | -lart expiring passwords |
| 20:24.52 | Supaplex | ahh, the grayscale might be eatting up the megenta. humph. I guess I'll have to wait on usps and hope I can keep coaxing it along in the meantime |
| 20:24.56 | sjansen | levi: What do you know about that guy? His writing doesn't exactly communicate professionalism and realism. Reminds me too much of the many crackpots I've known. |
| 20:26.36 | sjansen | Or does this just mean you've found a new crackpot to spar with? |
| 20:26.38 | elg | like emcnabb? |
| 20:26.43 | levi | sjansen: All I know is that he sounds like a crackpot, and his stuff looks a lot like FPGA gateware programming. |
| 20:27.15 | levi | I'm certainly not going to spar with him, but it's occasionally amusing to read the deluded rants. |
| 20:27.21 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (n=scott@c-71-195-243-49.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:28.09 | levi | Yay, my headphones have arrived at the building. Maybe I'll get them before I have to leave for class. :) |
| 20:34.05 | shadowwire | sup? |
| 20:34.27 | vontrapp | levi: even if you could get into the tuition part of uvsc's website, you can't pay with visa :/ |
| 20:35.14 | elg | vontrapp: american express only? |
| 20:35.16 | vontrapp | who the heck does that? "oh, we'll just accept every kind of credit card except visa, but even visa debits we will accept" |
| 20:35.36 | vontrapp | elg: just not visa |
| 20:35.43 | levi | Well, good thing I have a visa debit rather than a plain visa. |
| 20:35.46 | elg | well, you must not want to be at UVSC then |
| 20:35.58 | elg | cuz visa is everywhere you want to be |
| 20:36.02 | bonez39 | where could I find acrobat form support? |
| 20:36.12 | vontrapp | poor cassandra wanted to put it on credit just until the pell grant comes through |
| 20:36.15 | levi | bonez39: In Acrobat. |
| 20:36.25 | vontrapp | putting it on visa debit would defeat the purpose |
| 20:36.42 | vontrapp | apt-get install acroread? |
| 20:36.47 | vontrapp | don't know if that supports it or not |
| 20:36.49 | bonez39 | levi: no...it won't tell me what i need to know.. need to find an acrobat guru..to tell me how one would enable form fill-in for a .pdf form.... |
| 20:36.59 | jnbek | anyone have any idea what you need to open a file, that was created by Windows' Print to File utility? specifically the Device Manager dump |
| 20:37.06 | vontrapp | oh, you want to make the fillinable form |
| 20:37.27 | vontrapp | jnbek: a postscript viewer |
| 20:37.28 | elg | my financial aid advisor apparently modified my FAFSA for me, reducing my worksheet c amount by about $15k |
| 20:37.33 | levi | bonez39: Haven't we been through this? |
| 20:37.40 | elg | and making my EFC jump up by $1k |
| 20:37.51 | vontrapp | elg: does that lower your EFC? |
| 20:37.51 | levi | bonez39: If you could possibly 'enable' it, it would be there already. |
| 20:37.56 | jnbek | vontrapp: i just treied using gs, and gs crashed |
| 20:37.58 | vontrapp | ACK! |
| 20:38.01 | bonez39 | vontrapp: exactly....more exactly I want to be able to tell someone else..what to tell their web designers...about how to enable the .pdf forms they make available |
| 20:38.04 | vontrapp | it raises your efc? |
| 20:38.12 | levi | bonez39: Otherwise, you have to get PDF creation tools and re-make the forms. |
| 20:38.20 | Supaplex | uh what email did the utosc invoice thingie come from? (checking yet another email account for it) |
| 20:38.25 | elg | ya. the number in question is the grant money I reported as part of my income |
| 20:38.45 | elg | so now they think I made my money by working instead of as a grant. which makes me "more contributeable" or something |
| 20:38.53 | bonez39 | levi: pdf tools to remake the forms myself, eh? are there any .PDF tools for linux, or would this mean crawling to adobe and spending the bucks with them? |
| 20:39.16 | elg | you can make forms with e.g. scribus |
| 20:39.24 | elg | but editing existing forms I think acrobat is the tool |
| 20:39.33 | vontrapp | i don't know how i did it, but i got $8k this year |
| 20:39.38 | vontrapp | woooo |
| 20:39.44 | elg | um, you were dirt poor and are married :) |
| 20:40.05 | bonez39 | elg: can I take an existing .pdf form, open in scribus..and fill in data, or make the form customized to allow me to open it in acroread, et al., to all fields to fill in before printing? |
| 20:40.09 | vontrapp | $4k from pell, and $4 from SMART |
| 20:40.17 | elg | not familiar with smart |
| 20:40.31 | elg | bonez39: nope |
| 20:40.32 | vontrapp | it's a new thing |
| 20:40.40 | elg | you can make a new form with scribus if you want |
| 20:41.03 | elg | then fill it in with a pdf reader and print it |
| 20:41.06 | vontrapp | bonez39: it's not whether forms are ENABLED, it's whether they are actually FORMS or neat looking little boxes |
| 20:41.50 | bonez39 | vontrapp: I download a .pdf and it has various boxes....I have seen such forms, at irs.gov..they have forms where you can type everything in and then print, sign and send... |
| 20:41.56 | elg | it's not whether carrots are high-glycemic food, but whether you eat enough for it to make a differnce |
| 20:42.12 | elg | bonez39: yup, that's a pdf that is a form |
| 20:42.13 | vontrapp | for it to make your skin orange |
| 20:42.15 | bonez39 | vontrapp: so you are saying if I download a .pdf and it doesn't have fill-in enabled, then it's really just a drawing, but not a true form? |
| 20:42.25 | elg | yup |
| 20:42.51 | elg | although, magically, if you print it it becomes a true form |
| 20:43.10 | vontrapp | bonez39: right, irs forms are actually forms, the other ones likely have fancy boxes that _look like_ forms |
| 20:43.16 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 20:43.29 | bonez39 | elg: right, but then it's a pen and paper |
| 20:43.38 | elg | therein lies the magic |
| 20:43.40 | bonez39 | pen and paper 'form' |
| 20:43.40 | vontrapp | they still make those |
| 20:43.51 | Tene | http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/COSA.htm |
| 20:43.52 | brac | [Project COSA] |
| 20:43.55 | vontrapp | pens are about 10 cents |
| 20:44.00 | bonez39 | I don't write well, my letters are ugly..and I tossed my typewriter long ago |
| 20:44.03 | vontrapp | or free, if you go to a bank |
| 20:44.10 | elg | speaking of which, I finally tracked down my favorite pen again. turns out they restyled it so drastically that I couldn't see it when it was right in front of my face |
| 20:44.11 | Supaplex | argh |
| 20:44.12 | Tene | Interesting, but... I have trouble believing that something like COSA could be written with something like itself. |
| 20:44.13 | vontrapp | bonez39: yeah, i have that problem |
| 20:44.23 | bonez39 | vontrapp: my pens all seem to have a pen interface error problem... |
| 20:44.45 | Tene | (not having any!) |
| 20:44.47 | vontrapp | ~pie Tene |
| 20:44.48 | ibot | ACTION hits Tene in the face with a cream pie |
| 20:44.53 | Tene | Heh. |
| 20:45.10 | vontrapp | elg: what's your favorite pen? |
| 20:45.10 | vontrapp | does it write well on grease? |
| 20:45.23 | elg | pilot v-ball |
| 20:45.28 | elg | now, pilot v-ball grip |
| 20:45.33 | elg | the names are close enough |
| 20:45.44 | vontrapp | too much grease and the pen just quits |
| 20:45.51 | vontrapp | i hate it |
| 20:45.55 | elg | vball is pretty good at that |
| 20:45.58 | vontrapp | hapens with 90% of pens |
| 20:46.00 | elg | fisher space pens write through grease |
| 20:46.16 | Tene | why do you have grease on your paper? |
| 20:46.25 | vontrapp | Tene: from de hands |
| 20:46.26 | bonez39 | elg: I attempt to open an existing .pdf, but scribus won't open it... |
| 20:46.26 | elg | vball: http://www.pilotpen.us/products/rollingball/#anchor_vBall |
| 20:46.29 | brac | [Pilot Pen :: Rolling Ball Pens] |
| 20:46.36 | Supaplex | Tene: maybe we don't want to know. ;) |
| 20:46.39 | Tene | you wipe your hands on paper before trying to write on it? |
| 20:46.40 | vontrapp | maybe most people actually write with their hand hovering the paper |
| 20:46.40 | elg | vball grip: http://www.pilotpen.us/products/rollingball/#anchor_vBallGrip |
| 20:46.44 | vontrapp | that's too much work for me |
| 20:46.44 | brac | [Pilot Pen :: Rolling Ball Pens] |
| 20:46.50 | vontrapp | maybe i just have really greasy hands |
| 20:46.55 | Tene | also, you have enough grease on your hands for that to be an issue? |
| 20:47.00 | Tene | Don't you, y'know, shower? |
| 20:47.09 | vontrapp | maybe being a lefty has something to do with it |
| 20:47.14 | elg | vontrapp: you're a lefty that's what it is |
| 20:47.31 | vontrapp | left hands are more greasy |
| 20:47.50 | elg | Tene: some people have to wash their hair every day (or more), while others can go for a week or more |
| 20:48.01 | elg | variability in human grease emissions is pretty large |
| 20:48.05 | Tene | 'kay |
| 20:48.19 | vontrapp | it's not like my hands shine or are slippery |
| 20:48.26 | vontrapp | there's just enough that it makes writing difficult |
| 20:48.37 | elg | vontrapp: not that lefties are greasy, but that your hand and paper and pen interact differently |
| 20:48.49 | vontrapp | elg: i know, i was being facetious |
| 20:48.51 | elg | try a vball or pilot precise |
| 20:49.10 | elg | or a fisher space pen if you can get your hands on one |
| 20:49.25 | vontrapp | you mean if i'm not a cheapskate like you? |
| 20:49.29 | vontrapp | well i am |
| 20:49.41 | elg | well, i mean that most places don't carry them |
| 20:49.48 | vontrapp | so too bad |
| 20:49.49 | elg | but yeah, they're like $10 or $20 |
| 20:49.53 | elg | but the pilots are everywhere |
| 20:50.09 | vontrapp | i lose pens too often to spend that kind of money |
| 20:50.13 | elg | they're not like bic |
| 20:50.24 | elg | they're $2 instead of $0.20, but they actually write. |
| 20:50.27 | vontrapp | heck, i have enough time spending that on sunglasses, because i lose those too often |
| 20:50.41 | Tene | Why don't you just keep track of your pens? |
| 20:50.49 | vontrapp | i kinda do now |
| 20:50.56 | Tene | or get enough that there's always one nearby. |
| 20:51.00 | vontrapp | i have a cute little snowflake mug that holds a butload of them |
| 20:51.03 | vontrapp | all of which don't write |
| 20:51.08 | Tene | Distribute one pen per square foot in all your living spaces. |
| 20:51.21 | Tene | Then you'll always have on nearby! |
| 20:51.23 | vontrapp | it's a black stephens mug, with gold snowflake |
| 20:51.24 | elg | vontrapp: buy pencils to lose |
| 20:51.30 | elg | and get a real pen, to not lose |
| 20:51.56 | vontrapp | and i got it at the grand opening of Lord of the Rings: Return of the King plus both movies before it marathon thing |
| 20:51.59 | vontrapp | it was fun |
| 20:52.25 | vontrapp | those were the days... |
| 20:52.48 | vontrapp | i can tell you gimli didn't worry about grease, leastly pens writing on grease |
| 20:53.09 | elg | he had to worry about its corrosive effect on mithril |
| 20:53.21 | vontrapp | mithril doesn't corrode |
| 20:53.28 | vontrapp | duh |
| 20:53.30 | sjansen | lotr++ |
| 20:53.45 | vontrapp | anyone else notice something off about aragorns beard in rotk? |
| 20:53.50 | vontrapp | er, not bear, mustache |
| 20:53.54 | elg | imitation mithril does. duh |
| 20:54.01 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 20:54.06 | vontrapp | it's like the glue is showing |
| 20:54.10 | vontrapp | bugs me each time i watch it |
| 20:54.35 | elg | i think it was me, but after a line-standing session |
| 20:54.48 | sjansen | Who ever that was was lucky to get home alive. Good thing it was like 4am in the morning. No way I should've been driving so tired. |
| 20:54.51 | vontrapp | s/session/shift |
| 20:55.02 | sjansen | Ah, college. Those were the days. |
| 20:55.23 | vontrapp | ack! i'm late |
| 20:55.27 | vontrapp | look what you guys did |
| 21:02.35 | *** part/#utah mrpul1 (n=Jake@66.133.96.54) |
| 21:15.48 | ^Migs^ | haha wtf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHemA16cyYM |
| 21:22.17 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@adsl-75-0-136-70.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:34.09 | elg | hmm how does geek lunch at thai spice become outsourceing to wyoming? |
| 21:34.56 | thaddeusq | one word: plug |
| 21:36.40 | jsmith | elg: Because it can... |
| 21:37.17 | tensai | elg: because wyoming ownz |
| 21:42.17 | sjansen | Rollin' rollin' rollin' keep them doggies rollin'! |
| 21:43.09 | jsmith | sjansen: Rawhide? |
| 21:43.37 | sjansen | Rawhide! |
| 21:44.21 | jsmith | sjansen: Tell me, was it rawhide where you found that silly dependency of curl-devel? |
| 21:46.04 | *** join/#utah orbit_ (n=hanksdc_@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 21:48.07 | *** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-161-221-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:49.01 | sjansen | Hmmm, looks like I got the lyrics a little wrong. |
| 21:49.17 | sjansen | Rollin', rollin', rollin' |
| 21:49.17 | sjansen | Though the streams are swollen |
| 21:49.17 | sjansen | Keep them dogies rollin' |
| 21:49.17 | sjansen | Rawhide! |
| 21:49.30 | jsmith | sjansen: Next we'll have you singing "Cowboy Joe" |
| 22:14.23 | *** join/#utah radtke (n=radtke@189.8.98.2) |
| 22:19.36 | shadowwire | exit |
| 22:25.52 | tristanbob | herlo: what hotels are close and good for UTOSC? |
| 22:28.08 | tristanbob | or anyone else know that? |
| 22:28.18 | tristanbob | ping * |
| 22:29.43 | tristanbob | Zelut: you know the provo area: what hotels are close to the UTOSC? |
| 22:30.08 | Jayce^ | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&geocode=&q=hotel&near=Provo,+UT&ie=UTF8&ll=40.205886,-111.652851&spn=0.083644,0.175095&z=13&om=1 |
| 22:30.27 | Aliosa27 | lol there is a ramada right next to novell |
| 22:30.40 | Jayce^ | sleep, fairfield, and colony inn right there |
| 22:33.17 | tristanbob | Jayce^: cool - thanks |
| 22:37.24 | *** part/#utah bonez39 (n=scott@c-71-195-243-49.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:51.34 | *** join/#utah ti`ocpi (n=Chelle@michmax.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:57.40 | herlo | tristanbob: hampton, fairfield, and la quinta are within walking distance |
| 23:01.04 | *** part/#utah PelaoFeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 23:03.11 | tensai | just to the south is a nice overpass you could sleep under |
| 23:07.26 | *** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-161-221-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:17.20 | *** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-161-221-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:18.11 | jnbek | hey guys, anyone who how to make a dual monitor setup work, without X, both showing a console, on FreeBSD 6.2 |
| 23:24.48 | *** part/#utah orbit (n=hanksdc_@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 23:43.29 | Supaplex | what, no serial port? :) |
| 23:45.51 | Supaplex | (gimp autocrop image)++ |
| 23:48.35 | goozbach | I'm staying in Magna |
| 23:48.43 | goozbach | mostly because it's free |
| 23:49.41 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 23:54.11 | *** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-161-221-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:54.54 | *** join/#utah mrpull- (n=misterpu@mail.pollmann.us) |
| 23:59.21 | Supaplex | I'll pay double that! ;) |