| 00:03.31 | tensai | goozbach: sorry, that was way out of my league |
| 00:06.13 | Supaplex|roaming | I helped him anyway |
| 00:08.44 | tensai | those two solutions are horrible |
| 00:09.03 | tensai | that mess passes for a database server? |
| 00:10.16 | Supaplex|roaming | :P |
| 00:10.50 | goozbach | well, methinks I screwed up |
| 00:10.53 | goozbach | I didn't rename |
| 00:11.02 | goozbach | I detached, then deleted, then tried to re-attach |
| 00:11.05 | goozbach | it didn't work |
| 00:12.09 | Supaplex|roaming | bad operator. no biscuit. |
| 00:18.03 | findlay-w | give me food |
| 00:18.06 | findlay-w | please |
| 00:20.59 | findlay-w | yay! |
| 00:21.01 | findlay-w | calories |
| 00:23.27 | goozbach | methinks I fowled up |
| 00:26.09 | goozbach | begawk!!! |
| 00:37.27 | goozbach | yay for Microsoft support! |
| 00:38.24 | goozbach | boo for being on hold |
| 01:13.35 | goozbach | yup, I fubar'ed it |
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| 01:46.28 | goozbach | boo being on hold |
| 01:49.13 | jsmith-away | goozbach: When they answer, you should put *them* on hold :-) |
| 01:49.22 | Tene | then he won't get his information. |
| 01:49.51 | jsmith | goozbach: What'cha on hold for... dare I ask? |
| 01:50.05 | Tene | mssql. |
| 01:50.08 | Tene | the heathen. |
| 01:51.00 | goozbach | jsmith: microsoft support |
| 01:51.12 | goozbach | I really fubar'ed my database |
| 01:51.17 | goozbach | and it's the production server |
| 01:51.17 | jsmith | ~bless goozbach |
| 01:51.17 | ibot | goozbach: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 01:51.32 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm sorry... how bad is it looking? |
| 01:52.18 | goozbach | I've been on hold since 18:38 |
| 01:52.22 | goozbach | it's bad |
| 01:52.31 | goozbach | I deleted the transaction log when I shouldn't have |
| 01:52.57 | Tene | that's what you get for using mssql. |
| 01:52.57 | goozbach | luckily I've got a backup, however, I want to find out what's causing it to get so big before I re-enable it |
| 01:53.00 | Tene | don't you know better? |
| 01:53.06 | goozbach | Tene: this wasn't my choice |
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| 02:01.27 | sontek | Tene: there isn't anything better than mssql |
| 02:01.46 | Tene | better for what? |
| 02:02.02 | sontek | Tene: performance, scalability, and feature set |
| 02:03.16 | sontek | The only thing postgres and mysql beat mssql on is price |
| 02:06.44 | sontek | but I think the biggest thing mssql wins on is replication/clustering |
| 02:07.08 | Tene | and support? |
| 02:07.24 | atoponce | it's been a while, but i don't like the way mssql treats null |
| 02:07.30 | atoponce | or 0. one of those |
| 02:07.42 | atoponce | doesn't behave as you would think, iirc |
| 02:08.19 | sontek | atoponce: You'd have to bring up an example, I think it works exactly how it should |
| 02:08.26 | sontek | and the same as mysql and postgres |
| 02:08.50 | sontek | Tene: what do you mean by support? Theres an actual support line for mssql, can you say the same for mysql or postgres? =) |
| 02:08.58 | sontek | Tene: plus msdn/books online are amazing |
| 02:08.59 | atoponce | sontek: null was treated as a 0 or as a string, or something weird |
| 02:09.12 | Tene | Yes, and how long has goozbach been on hold with it? |
| 02:09.15 | Tene | ;) |
| 02:09.46 | sontek | atoponce: I can only remember back as far as sql server 2000 and it wasn't like that then, it maybe been like that prior to 2000 |
| 02:10.09 | atoponce | it was 2000. it's the only one that i've worked with |
| 02:10.32 | sontek | atoponce: Are you sure you weren't just working with a poorly designed db that didn't allow nulls so empty strings were placed every where? |
| 02:10.56 | nick125 | You can get support contracts for MySQL. |
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| 02:11.38 | atoponce | no. i was using it to data mine large voter files |
| 02:12.01 | sontek | atoponce: There was something wrong with the usage of it, 2000 had null |
| 02:12.27 | atoponce | i'd have to re-look it up. i moved to mysql as it was driving me nuts |
| 02:12.38 | atoponce | it was one of those "i don't have time for this" moments |
| 02:12.39 | atoponce | :) |
| 02:13.04 | sontek | we just recently moved back to mssql from mysql |
| 02:13.37 | atoponce | i actually like the scalability of psql over mysql. i don't know how well mssql scales |
| 02:14.25 | vontrapp | ~lart elg |
| 02:14.25 | ibot | beats elg severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 02:14.28 | sontek | psql has worse scaling than mysql, you have to use stuff like slony to even get replication from it |
| 02:15.15 | sontek | That was our biggest reason for choosing mysql in the first place |
| 02:17.12 | vontrapp | this is weird |
| 02:18.07 | vontrapp | when i wget a site, it comes out jibberish (binary data) |
| 02:18.07 | vontrapp | but when i load it in firefox it's fine |
| 02:18.35 | Tene | vontrapp: gzip? |
| 02:19.15 | vontrapp | hmmm |
| 02:19.18 | vontrapp | that's it |
| 02:19.51 | Tene | Man, I love being right. |
| 02:20.35 | goozbach | the thing I like about MSsql is the interface using the manager/management studio |
| 02:20.36 | vontrapp | but how the heck am i supposed to know if something is gzipped in an automated script thingy? |
| 02:21.15 | goozbach | nothing like dragging and dropping to create foriegn keys |
| 02:26.36 | sontek | goozbach: yeah, and sqlmanagement studio + SQLPrompt gives you intellisense for writing queries ;p |
| 02:27.59 | Supaplex|roaming | I'm a Pg fan myself. |
| 02:28.16 | Supaplex|roaming | vontrapp: man file |
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| 02:31.27 | sontek | I've made a life decision, i'm going to start drinking my coffee black! |
| 02:32.02 | Supaplex|roaming | no more bleached coffee for you? |
| 02:32.29 | sontek | nope! I'm going to man up! |
| 02:32.52 | sontek | I'm to lazy to get out the milk and sugar every day |
| 02:32.54 | sontek | to much work |
| 02:33.25 | Supaplex|roaming | I like my energy drinks sugar and cream free to |
| 02:34.04 | sontek | have you had the new Monster Java? :D |
| 02:34.09 | vontrapp | hmmm, what about a ruby way |
| 02:34.11 | sontek | ooh man, coffee mixed with energy drink |
| 02:34.18 | sontek | best invention since namespaces |
| 02:45.38 | Supaplex|roaming | my name has enough spaces. no more thanks. |
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| 02:58.46 | elg | anyone here qualify to give style advice? |
| 02:59.11 | nick125 | No. |
| 02:59.16 | nick125 | Least not me. |
| 02:59.46 | vontrapp | i'll style you |
| 02:59.52 | vontrapp | but you have to get on jabber |
| 03:01.01 | Supaplex|roaming | css > style="..." |
| 03:10.06 | fozzmoo | elg: What kind? |
| 03:27.38 | elg | shoes |
| 03:27.50 | elg | http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.asp?product_id=1013349&variant_id=61611 |
| 03:27.54 | elg | vs |
| 03:27.55 | elg | http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7257472/c/71467.html |
| 03:28.21 | elg | forget for a moment that I'll probably get the cheaper one with the second pair half off deal |
| 03:30.07 | sontek | Doc Martens win everytime |
| 03:30.20 | elg | they're both docs |
| 03:30.50 | sontek | Then you can't go wrong |
| 03:30.51 | elg | so they both win |
| 03:30.54 | elg | :) |
| 03:31.14 | sontek | I like the 2nd ones more |
| 03:31.54 | elg | the brown ones? |
| 03:31.57 | sontek | yeah |
| 03:32.05 | sontek | the ones on zappos |
| 03:32.48 | sontek | The ones on famous footwears would only look good with certain outfits and they kind of remind me of skater shoes :P |
| 03:33.16 | elg | what's wrong with skater shoes? |
| 03:33.28 | sontek | nothing if you like that style |
| 03:33.50 | elg | i was thinking that the brown ones would go with fewer outfits |
| 03:50.56 | levi | I like those shoes. |
| 03:51.30 | levi | I think I prefer the brown ones too. |
| 03:53.30 | levi | Brown shoes go with everything. |
| 03:55.05 | levi | I like to have a pair of light brown and a pair of dark brown. |
| 03:59.52 | levi | I have a pair of these that I wear a lot: http://www.buckle.com/product/product_detail.jsp?bmUID=1188532765519&prd=19430ROCKY&sku=9696004750&search=true&Ntt=Bullboxer+shoes&N=42 |
| 04:00.38 | levi | And a pair of these: http://www.buckle.com/product/product_detail.jsp?bmUID=1188532818032&prd=19430B2412162&sku=2778484750&search=true&Ntt=Bullboxer+shoes&Nao=12&N=42 |
| 04:00.44 | levi | Pretty good price on those. |
| 04:02.00 | levi | The Buckle's BKE jeans are a pretty good deal. A designer style and fit at a much lower price than the really expensive brands. |
| 04:02.14 | levi | Of course, they've got a lot of really expensive stuff there, too. |
| 04:03.17 | levi | You can get killer deals on shirts there during clearance sales, too. |
| 04:04.05 | levi | Like this, for example: http://www.buckle.com/product/product_detail.jsp?bmUID=1188533008961&prd=1035011989AM&sku=4289120100&Ns=P_ProductPrice%7C0&N=42+26+145&NUM=12 |
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| 05:26.38 | goozbach | guess who's still at work? |
| 05:26.41 | goozbach | oh yeah! |
| 05:26.50 | goozbach | I really screwed up |
| 05:27.39 | sontek | so what are you trying to do? |
| 05:27.44 | sontek | Recover the transaction log? |
| 05:29.37 | sontek | goozbach: did ms ever let you off hold? |
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| 06:57.23 | goozbach | sontek: it's rebuilding from a backup I did from just before I started breaking stuff |
| 06:57.49 | goozbach | but with a transaction log 135gigs in size, it's taking a while |
| 07:01.01 | fozzmoo | Oh goozbach, you're having lots of fun, aren't you? |
| 07:02.44 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you don't know the half of it. |
| 07:02.58 | goozbach | our production marketing system is down |
| 07:03.17 | goozbach | costing us a great deal of money per hour |
| 07:03.27 | goozbach | it has been down since 3pm |
| 07:04.50 | fozzmoo | Eeek. |
| 07:06.00 | goozbach | and all because I tried to "fix" it |
| 07:06.17 | fozzmoo | Ooooh. |
| 07:06.25 | goozbach | so now I'm burning a support incident and an entire night to make it right |
| 07:06.28 | fozzmoo | what was the problem? |
| 07:06.38 | goozbach | mssql server |
| 07:06.48 | goozbach | and a rapidly growing transaction log |
| 07:06.59 | fozzmoo | Well there's your problem RIGHT THERE. |
| 07:07.00 | goozbach | it's kicked my butt |
| 07:07.05 | goozbach | yeah... |
| 07:07.15 | goozbach | and to think... they could have used postgres... |
| 07:07.33 | fozzmoo | I had a technician reinstalling SQL Server on a machine that mysteriously went bananas a couple weeks ago. |
| 07:07.37 | fozzmoo | Had to do a format and reinstall. |
| 07:07.53 | fozzmoo | Anyway- he spent at least 4 hours at XMission today doing that... |
| 07:08.07 | goozbach | good greif, I'm kinda glad they used mssql, we average 20k to 150k transactions per hour |
| 07:08.22 | fozzmoo | I told him I've installed Oracle on Linux in 20 minutes. |
| 07:08.42 | fozzmoo | You don't think PG could handle 150k transactions per hour? |
| 07:11.00 | fozzmoo | Well, good luck gooz. |
| 07:11.07 | fozzmoo | I'm goin to bed. |
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| 12:34.09 | goozbach | guess what everybody! I'm STILL AT WORK!!! |
| 12:49.05 | goozbach | goozbach is now known as goozbach-needs-to-sleep-cause-he-stayed-up-all-night-working-with-crappy-Microsoft-software |
| 12:54.06 | jsmith | goozbach: Sorry to hear that... any better news w/ regards to your database? |
| 13:12.30 | goozbach | well, it's no longer dead in the water |
| 13:12.51 | goozbach | it is however back to the broken state which prompted me to fiddle with it in the first place |
| 13:14.23 | jsmith | Oh joy... |
| 13:14.55 | goozbach | I thought I was going to get to go home... |
| 13:14.59 | goozbach | :( |
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| 13:56.20 | PelaoFeliz | any progress, goozbach? |
| 13:58.20 | Tene | ~taunt goozbach |
| 13:58.20 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at goozbach |
| 13:59.20 | PelaoFeliz | poor guy's probably resting |
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| 14:15.34 | redbeard2 | http://www.craftzine.com/blog/archive/2007/08/more_sock_monkey_art.html |
| 14:15.39 | redbeard2 | sock monkeys in a blender. |
| 14:15.42 | redbeard2 | best. thing. ever. |
| 14:28.22 | ^Migs^ | http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/08/30/high-school-student-pulls-off-genius-prank-on-rival-high-school/ |
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| 14:49.36 | tensai | PelaoFeliz: he's not resting. he's pining for the fjords. |
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| 15:00.35 | The | TGIF |
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| 15:03.06 | jsmith | It is? |
| 15:03.13 | jsmith | I thought it was Monday number five |
| 15:03.33 | tensai | nope. it's saturday 0.9 |
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| 15:04.28 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:04.28 | ibot | shoots Jayce^ in the head |
| 15:07.49 | The | ~poke klys |
| 15:07.50 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind klys, pokes klys repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 15:11.18 | The | ~eat puke |
| 15:11.19 | ibot | ACTION eats puke and falls over dead |
| 15:24.02 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 15:31.48 | Keighvin | ~eat fozzmoo |
| 15:31.49 | ibot | ACTION eats fozzmoo and falls over dead |
| 15:35.13 | findlay-w | ~quote stuff |
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| 15:38.06 | findlay-w | in this super dry weather and having something of an infectuous condition in my upper respiratory system causes a lot of phleghm to dry out in my nasal cavity near my nostrils |
| 15:38.19 | findlay-w | somewhat annoying |
| 15:38.47 | Keighvin | That's what you get for living in a desert. |
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| 15:40.46 | calvarez | hello |
| 15:42.35 | Keighvin | word up |
| 15:46.58 | vontrapp_ | ~dry findlay-w |
| 15:46.59 | ibot | ACTION dries findlay-w |
| 15:48.23 | findlay-w | ~wet vontrapp_ |
| 15:48.24 | ibot | ACTION tips a bucket of boiling hot water over vontrapp_'s head! |
| 15:49.50 | findlay-w | ~boil ibot |
| 15:49.51 | ibot | ACTION boils ibot in a hot steaming kettle of beezlenut oil |
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| 15:50.25 | findlay-w | ~draino vontrapp_'s intertubez |
| 15:51.18 | The | Clobber works better. |
| 15:51.26 | The | Or sizzle |
| 15:51.31 | The | even glug |
| 15:52.05 | The | Clobber is 90% hydrochloric |
| 15:52.09 | findlay-w | wow |
| 15:52.15 | The | sizzle is Sulfuric |
| 15:52.27 | findlay-w | do you carry anything nuclear? |
| 15:52.45 | The | Well, Only in the "back room" |
| 15:53.05 | findlay-w | heh |
| 15:53.39 | The | The cool thing about this buisiness is we can get you anything for the right price. |
| 15:54.12 | The | Dont let the "plumbing supply" sign fool you. |
| 15:55.13 | The | Im not sure what "Glug" is made of, but it works really well on clogged drains. |
| 16:00.23 | The | How do I determine what is said ("shadowwire left") or the like, when I exit? Or is it random? |
| 16:00.45 | Keighvin | It's usually an argument of the command. |
| 16:00.54 | Keighvin | Either that, or just a simple default. |
| 16:01.00 | Keighvin | Log out & in and I'll tell you. |
| 16:01.03 | tuple | The: you type "/quit my message" |
| 16:01.09 | tuple | or set it in the preferences of your irc client |
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| 16:01.51 | tuple | * The has quit ("Shadowwire left") |
| 16:01.52 | The | Im back |
| 16:01.59 | Keighvin | 10:15 -!- The [n=shadowwi@mail.swplumb.com] has quit ["Shadowwire left"] |
| 16:02.31 | The | Hey I just realized my name is still "the" |
| 16:02.38 | Keighvin | Yup. |
| 16:03.26 | teh | ~lart The |
| 16:03.26 | ibot | urinates on The |
| 16:03.37 | The | Ehat the? |
| 16:05.18 | The | ~urinate self |
| 16:06.45 | The | Hey teh? |
| 16:07.04 | The | Crap |
| 16:07.18 | The | Sure make fun of the new guy. |
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| 16:08.05 | The | Someone remind me how to change my alius |
| 16:08.14 | findlay-w | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.16 | Shadowwire | Leaving so soon? |
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| 16:52.03 | findlay-w | ~weather |
| 16:52.13 | findlay-w | ~weather kpvu |
| 16:52.19 | findlay-w | ~weather duh |
| 16:52.29 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 16:52.38 | findlay-w | just wanted the noaa URL |
| 16:52.47 | fozzmoo | Sure you did. |
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| 18:31.05 | elg | levi: that link wouldn't be broken if google hadn't started doing that evil click through link thing |
| 18:36.16 | elg | it's fixed now. http://www.heartzones.com/_pdf/FatBurningwhitepaperreposted8305.pdf |
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| 18:39.15 | elg | levi: speaking of not scientists... I had a fun exchange with someone at a university (colelge?) in san diego about estimating residual lung volume. i could send you the emails if you want a good laugh |
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| 19:10.33 | levi | elg: I can always use a good laugh. :) |
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| 19:37.42 | decriptor | Zelut: what's with ubuntu and xen |
| 19:37.52 | decriptor | no xen stuff on the cd? you have to boot strap it? |
| 19:38.17 | Zelut | decriptor: uhm xen and ubuntu have been a bit shaky unfortunately. |
| 19:38.32 | decriptor | 7.10 :-D any hope |
| 19:38.50 | decriptor | I don't want to hack debootstrap over to suse |
| 19:38.58 | Zelut | decriptor: actually I haven't tried with 7.10 yet. I just had trouble with 7.04 |
| 19:39.09 | Zelut | decriptor: I've moved onto greener KVM pastures now :) |
| 19:39.18 | decriptor | different uses |
| 19:39.22 | decriptor | not greener |
| 19:40.24 | decriptor | fedora is sucking it up too with loading them as domUs as well |
| 19:41.31 | decriptor | from the looks of it ubuntu isn't going to support xen at all ??? |
| 19:41.37 | decriptor | Virtualization VMI and KVM continue to grow by leaps and bounds. The KVM update brings many new features: faster performance due to initial paravirtualization support, live migration even between an AMD or Intel CPU, host suspend/resume support, CPU hotplug support and much more. |
| 19:41.45 | decriptor | that's all they have for 7.10 so far |
| 19:43.28 | decriptor | sorry looking at old stuff not sure that thats accurate |
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| 19:56.32 | Zelut | well 7.10 is still alpha so we'll see what the end product gets to. |
| 19:56.56 | Zelut | last time I tried xen on ubuntu 7.04 it was a big headache so I moved on to using kvm, virtualbox, qemu, etc. |
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| 20:02.15 | Keighvin | ~lart dependencies |
| 20:02.15 | ibot | moos at dependencies |
| 20:02.34 | Keighvin | Oh that's no help, you also moo at fozzmoo and it's never done any good. |
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| 20:14.15 | thaddeusq | yum loves dependencies |
| 20:14.56 | Keighvin | Yes, and sometimes it gets into a very very very long loop trying to resolve the Nth degree of them, and comes out somewhere else entirely. |
| 20:16.50 | decriptor | anyone know what the fedora channel is |
| 20:25.14 | thaddeusq | decriptor: a place to discuss fedora |
| 20:25.42 | decriptor | more fedora dev maybe. I'm trying to track down info about XEN dev in fedora |
| 20:25.49 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.29 | decriptor | thaddeusq: thanks |
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| 21:37.24 | nick125_treo | wow. |
| 21:37.34 | klys | man, today was so eventful |
| 21:37.48 | nick125_treo | it took 6 hours to setup fai and get one machine fully working |
| 21:38.47 | klys | those teacher guys are rather full of advice |
| 21:39.13 | nick125_treo | on monday, I've gotta go in and finish this install |
| 21:40.04 | nick125_treo | and, if I get it done all on monday, I get to setup the machines on friday. |
| 21:40.31 | klys | so what takes it so long? configuration? |
| 21:40.50 | nick125_treo | it was mainly configuration and downloading. |
| 21:41.34 | nick125_treo | once I got the server up, it took 15 minutes to install on one machine |
| 21:42.16 | nick125_treo | that's with gnome, oo.o, etc. |
| 21:42.40 | klys | did you set up cups or foomatic? |
| 21:42.56 | nick125_treo | cups is installed, but not configured |
| 21:44.15 | klys | today I found a computer lab with an open, on, computer right in the front and I think I spent less than 2-3 minutes printing resumes at it. |
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| 21:47.42 | nick125 | Once I get permission to network these machines, I have to go to each machine (about 74 machines) and setup LDAP.....fun |
| 21:48.12 | nick125 | I think when that time comes, I'm going to write a script to propagate changes to each machine automagically |
| 21:50.12 | nick125 | Well, hey, a few people there want the school (where I'm doing this at) to pay for my LPI/MSCE certifications, and that I oust the existing netadmin :-) |
| 21:50.48 | nick125 | I'd prefer just LPI, but, they would want me to admin win32 boxes. |
| 21:51.03 | thaddeusq | nick125: LPI violates the MCSE license. :) |
| 21:51.27 | nick125 | thaddeusq: Hahaahahaa |
| 21:52.24 | nick125 | I mean, the LPI shoves a bunch of SMB crap down your throat.. |
| 21:53.22 | klys | I can't believe you're not copying configfiles |
| 21:53.36 | nick125 | My first act if I was netadmin: Get rid of the win2k3 domain controller, replace it with a box running Xen (Linux/Win32, win32 for gradebook stuff), and have all the machines in the lab run Linux (no need for them to run Windows, other than to make the sysadmin more money when they break) |
| 21:54.42 | nick125 | Also, split student and staff machines into two separate subnets, one proxied, one not. |
| 21:55.25 | nick125 | (You won't believe how many times I've heard requests from teachers that they want to access youtube for educational videos) |
| 22:01.59 | Supaplex|roaming | 4? |
| 22:03.32 | tensai | 42? |
| 22:04.25 | tensai | nick125: take a look at dsh, or dancers shell. it's pretty awesome for running an ssh command in parallel |
| 22:16.57 | nick125 | tensai: The main problem is config files |
| 22:18.16 | tensai | nick125: echo host1 host2 host3 >hosts-list; for host in $(cat hosts-list); do scp config.cfg ${host}:/etc; done |
| 22:19.09 | tensai | nick125: there are also a number of configuration tools, such as cfengine, designed for config management |
| 22:20.20 | nick125 | tensai: cfengine...hmm that sounds familar |
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| 22:20.36 | tensai | nick125: I've never personally used it, but I've heard about it a lot |
| 22:21.20 | tensai | nick125: also check out csync2 |
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| 22:26.10 | Supaplex|roaming | and for tensai's last one liner, use '&done;wait' vs ';done' if you've have ssh-id's loaded. |
| 22:26.25 | Supaplex|roaming | s/'ve// |
| 22:27.26 | nick125 | One main thing I need to do is automatically push out commands to the entire setup (such as apt-get install foo, etc) and to automatically copy configuration files and use some kind of templating to fill the configs in for each machine |
| 22:27.58 | Supaplex|roaming | as in per hostname specifics or something? |
| 22:31.02 | nick125 | Supaplex|roaming: Usually hostname specifics |
| 22:32.25 | Shadowwire | it must be fraiday. |
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| 22:38.33 | Supaplex|roaming | eeek! X11 crashed on my mac :( |
| 22:38.53 | Supaplex|roaming | so much for the work I was in the middle of. gimp, oo, more gimp, more oo... |
| 22:39.45 | jinro | tar question: I'm running " tar czvf file.tar.gz dir/* ", but I want the actual archive path to not have "dir" in it. How do I do that? |
| 22:40.19 | Supaplex|roaming | tar -C dir zcvf file.tar.gz . |
| 22:40.59 | jinro | Supaplex|roaming, thank you. |
| 22:41.05 | Supaplex|roaming | np |
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| 22:59.44 | klys | shadowwire: do you have an irc client for linux yet? I might recommend irssi-text |
| 22:59.59 | klys | also are you about to leave? |
| 23:02.02 | tensai | nick125: yeah, dsh will work fine for running commands like that. I've used it before and loved it. |
| 23:06.29 | tensai | ~lart outages |
| 23:06.29 | ibot | takes out outages with the trash |
| 23:06.44 | tensai | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 23:06.44 | ibot | crushes Jayce^ with a full height scsi disk |
| 23:06.53 | klys | ~lart himself |
| 23:06.53 | ibot | throws himself's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 23:07.06 | Shadowwire | that was a good one. |
| 23:07.24 | Shadowwire | ~Eat klys |
| 23:07.25 | ibot | ACTION eats klys and falls over dead |
| 23:07.32 | klys | ~recover |
| 23:07.32 | ibot | A utility which automates some steps to undelete a file.. URL: http://users.linuxbox.com/~recover/ |
| 23:07.37 | klys | hmm |
| 23:07.43 | Shadowwire | nice try |
| 23:08.16 | nick125 | tensai: Well, one thing I'd like to do is to queue stuff |
| 23:08.43 | Shadowwire | Hey, Klys. Did I ever send you a new moag stat sheet? |
| 23:08.43 | nick125 | Since I don't know when all the machines will be up |
| 23:08.46 | klys | do you have anything to work on in linux? |
| 23:09.17 | klys | shadowwire: seems like that's all I've got, a stat sheet, for current moag. |
| 23:09.47 | Shadowwire | remind me your e-mail and Ill send you some stuff right now. |
| 23:09.54 | klys | shadowwire: the things I asked for last time were character creation rolls from the in-game list of species |
| 23:10.17 | klys | d.jeffery@mailandnews.com/myrealbox.com |
| 23:10.27 | Shadowwire | ok. |
| 23:11.12 | Shadowwire | which would you prefer. |
| 23:11.12 | klys | oh and I have the starcharts so I'm not totally clueless |
| 23:11.43 | klys | the first for normal traffic, the second for emercencies, encrypted, or otherwise non-public traffic |
| 23:15.16 | Shadowwire | Hmm. I have an older list in works format. (yuck!) |
| 23:15.49 | klys | shadowwire: I want it in XML ;) |
| 23:15.57 | klys | j/k you don't have to |
| 23:16.08 | Shadowwire | That may take some time :) |
| 23:16.11 | klys | hnb is good formaking xml |
| 23:16.52 | klys | other good formats are, plain text, html, or openoffice |
| 23:17.15 | Shadowwire | Ill let you convert it. |
| 23:17.23 | klys | xml is the best because you can reorganize it on the fly |
| 23:17.54 | klys | and webscripting tools can edit it for dynamic displayable content |
| 23:18.32 | klys | the current list values are my desire |
| 23:18.59 | klys | older lists may have been modified so it might not be compatible |
| 23:20.11 | klys | if you can't use hnb, or emacs or notepad, try save as html first, openoffice second, or you could just give up and scan the main document |
| 23:20.29 | klys | oh, do you have a scanner? |
| 23:20.56 | Shadowwire | Yes, But my MOAG box is at home. |
| 23:21.06 | klys | ok, I can wait, no rush |
| 23:21.10 | Shadowwire | I just have whats on my laptop. |
| 23:21.48 | Shadowwire | well, I need to go get my kids. I wont forget your request. |
| 23:22.09 | Shadowwire | Plus I'll update the list before I send it. |
| 23:22.14 | Shadowwire | ok? |
| 23:22.17 | klys | what are the main deals in your folder system besides weapons, equipment, characters, and construction and starcharts? |
| 23:22.26 | klys | just out of curiosity |
| 23:22.34 | klys | if you have to go I understand |
| 23:22.41 | klys | just, do you remember |
| 23:22.49 | Shadowwire | main deals? |
| 23:22.55 | klys | file topics |
| 23:23.39 | Shadowwire | Mostly pics |
| 23:24.05 | Shadowwire | If I understood the question. |
| 23:24.07 | klys | hmm, maps or anything? stories, random luck rolls, anything sound important? |
| 23:24.58 | klys | or do we have w e c c s p six categories |
| 23:25.04 | Shadowwire | there is a list called the "percentile list" containing random things for fleshing out new charactors. |
| 23:25.37 | klys | ok, there are other lists with it probably and I'm wondering if one of them is particularly useful to get |
| 23:26.07 | klys | if you can't remember though, probably not... |
| 23:26.11 | Shadowwire | Attributes: str; end; kno; res; dex; per; com; cha; heal; wpr. 10 attributes. |
| 23:26.25 | klys | it's all in the character section |
| 23:26.25 | Shadowwire | Ill send you the useful stuff. |
| 23:26.28 | klys | ok |
| 23:26.34 | klys | scans are fine I suppose |
| 23:26.38 | Shadowwire | Gotta go |
| 23:26.40 | klys | ciao |
| 23:26.40 | Shadowwire | ciao |
| 23:26.43 | klys | good night |
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