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| 01:49.19 | griffeymac | :) |
| 01:49.21 | Supaplex|roaming | ahoy |
| 01:59.59 | RyanE | I'm seeing the weirdest thing on my MythTV box... |
| 02:00.14 | RyanE | It's been this way for a while, but I didn't notice it was only in X. |
| 02:00.16 | Supaplex|roaming | a trail of ants? |
| 02:00.36 | RyanE | Once I'm logged in, the keyboard doesn't work unless you hold a key down long enough for it to repeat several times. |
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| 02:00.58 | RyanE | Before I'm logged in, the keyboard works fine (i.e. in the login dialog, etc.) |
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| 05:48.02 | vontrapp | well, of course, it's seq |
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| 13:21.46 | elg | silly question of the day: what kind of shoes do you wear? |
| 13:22.05 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 - https://register.utosc.org | Novell pwns SCO | for great fun: ~quote scox | do not taunt happy fun ball | what's on your feet? |
| 13:22.42 | redbeard2 | ~quote scox |
| 13:22.52 | redbeard2 | elg: doc martins |
| 13:24.07 | elg | are they really all that? |
| 13:26.00 | elg | heard lots of good about them, but it seems like they'd be heavy |
| 13:26.27 | elg | i tend to lightweight, since anything that fits me is already 13 pounds |
| 13:26.51 | redbeard2 | elg: i love 'em. they're lightweight, have excellent grip, and don't seem to be any more worn than when i bought them. only problem is that they squeek a lot on polished floors. |
| 13:27.59 | redbeard2 | in fact, they're lighter than the cheap kmart type sneaker-boots that i had before them |
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| 14:45.49 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 14:45.49 | ibot | chops elg in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 14:49.58 | tensai | stupid sonicwall |
| 14:50.40 | elg | firewallas are for hackers |
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| 14:51.11 | tensai | I can't seem to turn off the bandwidth limits on my sonicwall. apparently once they're on, they're set in stone |
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| 14:57.09 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:58.57 | tensai | top o' the mornin' to ya |
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| 15:05.17 | levi | Wassup this morning? |
| 15:06.32 | fozzmoo | I'm getting carpet installed in the two bedrooms in the basement I've been working on finishing for... a long time. |
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| 15:11.47 | goozbach | speaking of shoes, I love my steve madden's |
| 15:13.27 | Shadowwire | Morning. Want to hear the song I came up with on the wat yo work? |
| 15:13.48 | Shadowwire | You know what I meant. |
| 15:14.23 | Shadowwire | Who can take the garbage. |
| 15:14.29 | Shadowwire | Mash it to a pulp. |
| 15:14.42 | levi | It's nice to finally finish those long-term projects, eh? |
| 15:14.47 | Shadowwire | haul it to a pit and throw it in a hole. |
| 15:14.54 | Shadowwire | the garbage man can. |
| 15:15.26 | Shadowwire | the garbage man can cause' he mixes it with love and makes the world smell good! |
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| 15:15.53 | Shadowwire | (to the tune of candy man) |
| 15:16.32 | Shadowwire | Catchy huh? |
| 15:17.51 | levi | You need a book on tape or something. |
| 15:18.09 | Shadowwire | Um. yea. |
| 15:18.37 | beandog | mm |
| 15:18.41 | beandog | now I wanna listen to willy wonka |
| 15:18.43 | beandog | ya jerk. |
| 15:20.57 | Shadowwire | your welcome |
| 15:21.39 | thaddeusq | ~quote scox |
| 15:22.08 | thaddeusq | I guess investors like the fact that Darl is talking again. |
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| 15:24.24 | bonez39 | ~quote scox |
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| 15:31.00 | tensai | Shadowwire: you do realize that the Simpsons did that song already, right? |
| 15:31.02 | tensai | http://www.soundtracklyrics.net/song-lyrics/the-simpsons/the-garbage-man-can.htm |
| 15:31.40 | RyanE | D'oh! |
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| 15:32.23 | jsmith | tensai: Wow... you continue to amaze me with your knowledge |
| 15:32.45 | tensai | jsmith: and all of it completely useless |
| 15:33.27 | fozzmoo | I have a friend like that... |
| 15:33.31 | fozzmoo | head full of trivia. |
| 15:33.31 | jsmith | tensai: Nothing wrong with that :-) |
| 15:33.47 | fozzmoo | His mind is like flypaper. |
| 15:34.21 | fozzmoo | If I ever need an actors name... I can ask him he'll rattle off a name like it's on the tip of his tongue. |
| 15:34.26 | thaddeusq | Hey Shadowwire made up different lyrics. The only thing the same is the title. |
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| 15:44.32 | elg | sweet, the forecast for strong and gusty winds this eve changed |
| 15:44.40 | elg | maybe I can do pizza |
| 15:45.07 | tensai | now the forecast is for strong and gusty pizza? |
| 15:46.27 | elg | hmm, the more detailed forecast negates my enthusiasm |
| 15:46.33 | elg | sounds like shoe shopping after all |
| 15:46.45 | elg | i hate changing shoes |
| 15:46.54 | elg | why do they have to fall apart? |
| 15:47.47 | tensai | just because they fall apart doesn't mean you can't still wear them |
| 15:48.46 | bonez39 | elg: hopefully your wife doesn't TOSS out well worn and comfortable shoes...I had a pair of Birks...and they were very good, but worn..and my wife tossed them one day...these were EXPENSIVE sandals...so now, I lock up things I like...... |
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| 15:52.55 | bonez39 | grabs an industrial milker and chases ibot around..hoping to collect some MILK.... |
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| 16:02.13 | Shadowwire | thanks tensai, I now seem to recall the simpsons doing that. Maybe thats why it came so easy to me. |
| 16:05.50 | Shadowwire | klys eats worms |
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| 16:14.20 | bonez39 | I need to copy over, with -a flag...several files on one box, to a folder on another linux box..on same network ... I can ssh to the other box..but I want to be able to run 'cp -a * /other/machine/folder/' |
| 16:14.24 | bonez39 | how would I do this? |
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| 16:15.02 | sjansen | http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/005301andrew_schloss_and_david_joachim_mastering_the_grill.php |
| 16:15.38 | levi | bonez39: If you really need the attribute-preserving aspect of cp -a, you could use tar piped through ssh instead. |
| 16:16.24 | levi | bonez39: Otherwise, you could just scp -r |
| 16:16.37 | tensai | scp -rp even. -p for preserve permissions |
| 16:16.48 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 16:16.54 | levi | Ahh, didn't know about -p. |
| 16:17.15 | tensai | or rsync -a |
| 16:17.43 | levi | scp -rp may handle symlinks differently than cp -a |
| 16:17.50 | sjansen | Although the tar suggestion might still be a good idea if you're transferring files with ACLs or se-linux labels and you're using a tar that understands them. |
| 16:19.00 | tensai | tar will also be much faster than scp if you have a lot of little files |
| 16:22.21 | elg | rsync -a |
| 16:23.21 | levi | Beats me, it was just the first guaranteed-correct solution that popped into my head. |
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| 16:25.12 | elg | sorry, we already have enough thaddeuses. a-p. we don't need q |
| 16:26.00 | levi | Nuke 'em! |
| 16:26.35 | Shadowwire | ~nuke em |
| 16:26.35 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at em ... B☢☢M! |
| 16:27.21 | sjansen | elg: To muddy the waters, one of my students mentioned that they use scp for all file transfers because it's faster than everything else they tried... of course, he worked in Hitachi's high performance computing division so he probably had a hardware crypto accelerator. |
| 16:28.05 | elg | rsync and tar (afaict) work over the same crypto (ssh backend, for the common case of rsync usage (at least, my rsync usage)) |
| 16:28.19 | elg | so it would be the programs themselves. as for scp and your student, no idea |
| 16:28.43 | elg | next time i have a bunch of files to copy I'll do some unscientific benchmarking |
| 16:28.46 | elg | expect a report in a few years |
| 16:28.52 | fozzmoo | heh. |
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| 16:29.25 | fozzmoo | I wish WinSCP was anything approaching fast. |
| 16:29.35 | fozzmoo | I don't use it that much, but when I do... sheeeessh. |
| 16:29.55 | fozzmoo | Sometimes I think writing down the bits on a piece of paper is faster. |
| 16:30.05 | elg | when I use rsync it usually tells me a speedup of 1.0 or something. |
| 16:30.10 | elg | so it can't be slower than anything |
| 16:30.24 | elg | cuz that would be a speedup of < 1.0 see? |
| 16:30.47 | levi | Um, yeah! |
| 16:30.55 | levi | It must be the best, you've proven it. |
| 16:31.05 | levi | Case closed. |
| 16:31.08 | elg | that was easier than benchmarking |
| 16:31.17 | elg | and more accurate too |
| 16:31.27 | elg | benchmarking has so many what ifs |
| 16:31.38 | levi | QNX is awesome. |
| 16:31.47 | sjansen | elg: I'm guessing scp does careful buffer/page alignment. It's amazing how much that can improve performance. |
| 16:32.37 | elg | well before we start guessing as to why scp is faster, i'd like a claim from a trusted source that it is |
| 16:32.47 | elg | i mean, you have nice students and all |
| 16:32.59 | tensai | scp seems slower to me, at least for large numbers of small files |
| 16:33.00 | elg | but that falls squarely in the category "anecdote" |
| 16:33.22 | fozzmoo | tensai: Yeah- rsync seems to rule in that situation. |
| 16:34.01 | elg | theoretically, they should all three be on the same order, unless one is doing something stupid |
| 16:34.32 | elg | or one is doing something exceptionally bright |
| 16:35.26 | jsmith | elg: Well, scp is also encryping the files as their transported, which adds some overhead |
| 16:35.33 | jsmith | s/their/they're/ |
| 16:35.35 | jsmith | Gah! |
| 16:35.44 | tensai | tar+ssh or rsync+ssh would also encrypt the files |
| 16:35.58 | elg | well, tar over netcat might have an advantage there, but rsync+ssh (the normal mode) and tar over ssh would have the same encryption transport as scp |
| 16:36.05 | jsmith | Yes. |
| 16:36.56 | fozzmoo | Wow. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b35c36a3-802a-23ad-46ec-6880767e7966 |
| 16:37.21 | fozzmoo | (standing in for brac) [SURVEY: LESS THAN HALF OF ALL PUBLISHED SCIENTISTS ENDORSE GLOBAL WARMING THEORY] |
| 16:39.33 | elg | along those lines, this is a good read: http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html |
| 16:39.35 | sjansen | Yay! |
| 16:40.00 | RyanE | I personally don't doubt global warming. I just don't think as much of it is anthropogenic. |
| 16:40.24 | Jayce^ | sure, we've been warming up for well over 10k years.. |
| 16:40.35 | elg | you just wanted to say anthropogenic |
| 16:40.39 | RyanE | and we'll continue to, until the next ice age, when we're all screwed. |
| 16:40.42 | RyanE | elg: you know me well. |
| 16:40.55 | Jayce^ | except for the mini-ice age reversals in the middle ages, and a tiny one each mid-century.. |
| 16:41.10 | elg | global warming is much more tolerable for us humans than an ice age |
| 16:41.24 | elg | look at all of canada just waiting to become a nice temparate place to live |
| 16:41.28 | elg | and greenland |
| 16:41.42 | elg | and siberia and... |
| 16:41.47 | levi | sjansen: Just because we're not causing global warming doesn't mean we're not causing all the smog tha builds up in the valley. |
| 16:41.52 | elg | sure, I'll have to move out of las cruces, but it's too hot for me already :) |
| 16:41.54 | RyanE | and in the meantime, additional CO2 will cause plants to grow faster and more green. |
| 16:42.32 | levi | Didn't you guys see The Day After Tomorrow? Global warming could trigger a sudden ice age!!!11 |
| 16:42.36 | RyanE | levi: that's the only rational reason for wanting to be more 'green', imho. |
| 16:42.45 | RyanE | (the smog, not the dumb movie) |
| 16:43.04 | elg | yeah, smog is real, tangible, ugly, and unhealthy |
| 16:43.07 | Jayce^ | a year or so ago I saw a post that went through some of the top global warming scientists, and pointed out how a large number were the same ones stating mankind was causing a new ice age back in the 70's 80's |
| 16:43.39 | elg | Jayce^: pendulists? |
| 16:43.39 | fozzmoo | If history of the human civilizationis any indication, climate warming will lead to more prosperity. |
| 16:43.49 | elg | ooh, when is that supposed to happen? |
| 16:43.53 | elg | that would wreak all kinds of havoc |
| 16:43.58 | RyanE | no one knows exactly. |
| 16:44.04 | Jayce^ | elg, it's happened several times in earths history.. |
| 16:44.07 | Jayce^ | no known reason.. |
| 16:44.12 | sjansen | elg: any day now or in a couple centuries |
| 16:44.15 | fozzmoo | Iron core moving around under our feet? |
| 16:44.19 | elg | yeah, but earth's history is pretty much bigger than my history will be |
| 16:44.22 | Jayce^ | geologists just know it happened |
| 16:44.26 | levi | How about a Yellowstone eruption? |
| 16:44.48 | sjansen | s/centuries/millenia/ |
| 16:44.49 | Jayce^ | levi, dont' talk about that, that would offset so much global warming! |
| 16:45.01 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:45.01 | fozzmoo | "But I remember really bad snowstorms when i was a kid. That NEVER happens anymore! Global warming!! HILLARY! HILLARY! HILLARY!" |
| 16:45.14 | levi | Jayce^: It would also kill us all. :) |
| 16:45.25 | Jayce^ | levi, besides the point, think of the global warming! |
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| 16:45.34 | levi | How about a Vogon Constructor Fleet? |
| 16:45.44 | elg | definitely a global warming contributor |
| 16:45.46 | Jayce^ | as long as there is no poetry involved |
| 16:45.50 | fozzmoo | Don't forget your towel. |
| 16:45.54 | findlay-w | ~shakespeare Jayce^ |
| 16:45.55 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: Jayce^ - Thou tottering pottle-deep moldwarp! |
| 16:48.17 | Jayce^ | wow, looking up magnetic pole reversal, you get some real kooks.... |
| 16:48.43 | Jayce^ | ooh, according to this one, it's evidence of extra-terrestrials |
| 16:49.07 | levi | Looking up any possible catastrophe on the internet will probably get you some real kooks. |
| 16:49.22 | levi | Nothing tops the Time Cube guy, though. |
| 16:49.48 | levi | You are all educated stupid! |
| 16:50.06 | Jayce^ | it's the end of the INT, there is no more time! |
| 16:52.19 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, I always knew that stuff was bad! :) |
| 16:52.25 | levi | "You are educated /stupid/ - and you have no inkling to just how EVIL you think." |
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| 16:53.34 | levi | "You SnotBrains will know hell for ignoring TimeCube. I do not promote or suggest anyone killing you, but you are unfit to live on Earth." |
| 16:55.18 | Shadowwire | Weather changes all the time. Weather its due to the change in the sun, the atmosphere the magnetosphere, ionosphere, hydrocarbons (yea right) or something else, who cares, well adapt like we always have. |
| 16:55.46 | Shadowwire | only now we have more ability to adapt. |
| 16:56.00 | elg | which is precisely why we're unfit to adapt |
| 16:56.09 | elg | the more ability we have to adapt, the more unfair it is to the spotted owls |
| 16:57.10 | fozzmoo | Man, can you believe how much trouble we'd get in with the environmentalists if we found a way to harness the power of volcanos for energy generation?! |
| 16:57.24 | fozzmoo | Do you have any idea of the greenhouse gas output of a volcano?! |
| 16:57.31 | Shadowwire | Sounds good to me. |
| 16:58.18 | fozzmoo | We'd have to start killing (sacrificing) tens of thousands of people a day to redeem ourselves to the planet. |
| 16:58.54 | Shadowwire | which brings me back to "Plasma gasification" and "thermal Depolymerization". |
| 16:58.55 | levi | fozzmoo: TimeCube man would be happy about that. |
| 16:59.08 | elg | fozzmoo: maybe that's why the aztecs had human sacrifice |
| 16:59.40 | Shadowwire | Out of work? Hungry? Eat an environmentalist. |
| 16:59.56 | fozzmoo | elg: To repent for driving SUVs? |
| 17:00.05 | Shadowwire | the aztecs were cool. |
| 17:00.25 | Shadowwire | I hear they ate people too. |
| 17:00.53 | elg | fozzmoo: well perhaps back then it was for building an inefficient fire |
| 17:01.09 | elg | or leaving your banana peels on the ground to rot instead of burying them |
| 17:01.31 | fozzmoo | The inexplicable disappearance of the Maya could now be explained. |
| 17:01.34 | Shadowwire | I liked the SUVs thing. |
| 17:01.54 | elg | fozzmoo: they liked bananas? |
| 17:02.04 | Shadowwire | Who dosnt? |
| 17:02.11 | fozzmoo | We're all gonna die!! |
| 17:02.35 | Shadowwire | Thats the only bad thing about life, you cant get out of it alive. |
| 17:02.51 | Jayce^ | ~emulate gir |
| 17:02.52 | ibot | where's my moose? |
| 17:03.04 | elg | here ibot |
| 17:03.07 | tensai | wait, when did it become cool to pollute again? I must have missed the memo. |
| 17:03.19 | Jayce^ | ~trash tensai |
| 17:03.27 | Shadowwire | that was so 5 minutes ago. |
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| 17:06.29 | Shadowwire | Bannana peels dont constitute pollution, do they? |
| 17:07.08 | fozzmoo | Depends on who you ask. |
| 17:17.56 | Jayce^ | actually, around 1900 they were a major problem in east coast cities |
| 17:28.38 | elg | "Thank you for contacting Owens Corning. Our Owens Corning pink fiberglass insulation has an operating temperature limitation of 250 degrees F. |
| 17:28.38 | elg | Owens Corning has no recommendations for using pink fiberglass in that application. Please contact the oven manufacturer for insulation recommendations. " |
| 17:38.30 | Shadowwire | klys eats worms! |
| 17:38.41 | klys | for serious? |
| 17:38.56 | klys | we have some pretty flowers... |
| 17:39.31 | klys | I can't reach them with my camera though |
| 17:40.39 | klys | I'm wondering a bit about "plasma gasification", it sounds like a sight |
| 17:41.53 | Shadowwire | Its cool. well, actualy quite hot. Basicly uses a plasma arc to break garbage down into hydrogen and vetrified glass. |
| 17:42.15 | Shadowwire | and powers itsself with some of the hydrogen. |
| 17:43.35 | klys | like, burn the hydrogen out after burning it in, picture it in a steam turbine (sure coal is hot, what about this) |
| 17:46.08 | Shadowwire | I dont know. |
| 17:47.03 | fozzmoo | Well, I have it on good authority that XMission is going to start offering VPS services soon. |
| 17:47.21 | Shadowwire | VPS? |
| 17:47.36 | fozzmoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 17:47.49 | Shadowwire | oh |
| 17:48.42 | Shadowwire | With as powerfull as proccessors are getting, Its probably the next logical step. |
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| 18:00.35 | Shadowwire | Our web server is a dual quad core Xeon running 4 VMs under fedora. |
| 18:07.08 | klys | nowwhere is a good place to keep books |
| 18:07.23 | klys | s/nowwhere/now where/ |
| 18:07.26 | fozzmoo | I've written a few times about how computers are increasingly used for frivolous or unanticipated uses. |
| 18:08.15 | fozzmoo | I have to wonder, tho, if sometime in the future we'll be using computers to heat our homes. |
| 18:09.52 | Supaplex|roaming | the digital thermostat pulled that off decades ago |
| 18:10.17 | RyanE | what do you mean "future"... my office is already heated that way. |
| 18:10.22 | fozzmoo | No, not to control the HVAC system... but to replace the furnace. |
| 18:10.43 | Supaplex|roaming | Novell does that mostly. |
| 18:10.44 | RyanE | I'm talking as a furnace in my office... as well... |
| 18:10.50 | klys | the static page concept is practically a showcase for unanticipated roaming |
| 18:11.04 | Shadowwire | We use much more power to cool the server room then the computers use. |
| 18:11.06 | fozzmoo | When everyone's using dual quad-core Xeons... |
| 18:11.13 | klys | bookburning is not recommended |
| 18:11.26 | klys | it scares people I've met |
| 18:11.33 | fozzmoo | Shadowwire: yeah. That's a problem. The heat is only advantageous in the winter. |
| 18:11.54 | jsmith | fozzmoo: So, you're wondering when Intel will get into the heat pump business? |
| 18:12.02 | Shadowwire | Those bibles and copies of "the diary of anne frank" kept me quite warm last winter. |
| 18:12.11 | klys | haha |
| 18:12.15 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Isn't it inevitable? |
| 18:12.28 | fozzmoo | jsmith: That's awesome. |
| 18:12.45 | Shadowwire | thats a great idia. Now we just need a company swiming pool. |
| 18:12.47 | jsmith | Probably pretty efficient as well... |
| 18:12.56 | klys | so, in the wall is a good place you say? |
| 18:13.01 | klys | perhaps |
| 18:13.04 | Shadowwire | For books? |
| 18:13.07 | klys | yeah |
| 18:13.17 | Shadowwire | I prefer the stove. |
| 18:13.23 | Shadowwire | jk |
| 18:13.33 | fozzmoo | Then, when you're in the pool and it becomes warmer suddenly... someone will say, "I guess Joe's compiling a new kernel again." |
| 18:13.47 | Shadowwire | nice. |
| 18:14.00 | klys | do you think books belong in bedrooms, I don't really think that they would |
| 18:14.29 | klys | at least they should be covered so you don't have to stare |
| 18:14.32 | Shadowwire | Put them in your library. Isnt that what everyone has Libraries for? |
| 18:15.01 | klys | huh, maybe the closet wants a library instead of pots and pans |
| 18:15.27 | fozzmoo | Imagine a future when you wake up in the morning and the house is chilly. |
| 18:15.39 | Shadowwire | That would be nice. |
| 18:15.48 | klys | that would be a future with some long mornings |
| 18:15.49 | fozzmoo | the kids are shivering and the mom says, "Billy, why don't you compile a couple kernels and warm us up." |
| 18:16.11 | klys | some like it hot |
| 18:16.29 | Shadowwire | Some like it in the pot 9 days old? |
| 18:16.40 | klys | poor billy |
| 18:16.43 | fozzmoo | ssome like it in the bedroom... with the books. |
| 18:17.22 | klys | yeah like you want to stare at randomized earthen surfaces |
| 18:17.54 | klys | I guess some people like wood too |
| 18:18.20 | ^Migs^ | aww, my wife sent me an e-card |
| 18:18.25 | ^Migs^ | it has...dancing and singing monkeys... |
| 18:18.47 | elg | that's what she thinks of you? you're a dancing and singing monkey? |
| 18:18.51 | Shadowwire | Sounds like my house. |
| 18:19.36 | klys | curious ones, full of spunk with nothing to do but what's on their mind |
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| 18:20.56 | Shadowwire | moriancum: Hows it hang'n? |
| 18:23.51 | klys | so, a library belongs next to a reading room, a laptop coffeetable, and a bunch of countertops... |
| 18:25.19 | klys | hmm, the scanner may be too loud to keep there, though it should go on a countertop |
| 18:27.06 | klys | the reading room should have a decorative lamp and a box of office supplies, such as colored pencil |
| 18:28.04 | klys | and the countertops should be elbow-height |
| 18:28.24 | Shadowwire | No, the Computers go in the computer room. |
| 18:28.55 | klys | and the coffeetable should go next to a microwave and a ...what's this? |
| 18:29.08 | Shadowwire | However one could use a laptop in the library through the wireless. |
| 18:29.13 | klys | another loud computer, probably not |
| 18:30.03 | Shadowwire | The microwave belongs in the kitchen. The cofee table goes in the lounge. |
| 18:30.28 | klys | using a laptop one would want, large decorative posters, and a lounge chair? right, the kind where you face down through the chair |
| 18:30.57 | Shadowwire | Posters? Bullocks... |
| 18:30.59 | klys | those are like 85 bucks though |
| 18:31.15 | klys | you know, the palm tree kind |
| 18:32.23 | Shadowwire | You acn put a lounge chair in just about any room. except the kitchen dining room bathroom and observitory, of coarse. |
| 18:34.19 | elg | you have a combination dining room/observatory? |
| 18:34.27 | elg | s/dining room/bathroom/ |
| 18:35.02 | goozbach | elg: yeah, it's like that public restroom made out of one way mirrors |
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| 18:36.11 | Shadowwire | I apologize for my improper punctuation. |
| 18:36.18 | elg | haha, do those really exist? |
| 18:36.22 | elg | which way are the mirrors? |
| 18:36.32 | goozbach | elg: seeable from the inside-out |
| 18:36.42 | goozbach | mirror from the outside-in |
| 18:37.44 | fozzmoo | I seem to remember a creepy portapotty-type thing in a major city that had walls of 2-way mirror. |
| 18:37.45 | Shadowwire | I think it depends on which it is, mens or womens. |
| 18:37.52 | elg | "Aggie Transit addresses global warming by |
| 18:37.53 | elg | offering students, faculty, and staff the chance to reduce vehicular |
| 18:37.53 | elg | travel and lessen greenhouse gas emissions." <-- parking shuttle. I'm not sure how a parking shuttle is helping with greenhouse gas emissions. the alternative is to walk, or perhaps take the city bus system to campus |
| 18:38.06 | elg | maybe professors tend to drive back and forth across campus in hordes? |
| 18:38.41 | Shadowwire | Whoreds? |
| 18:39.19 | elg | no, people flock towards those bathrooms in whoreds |
| 18:40.17 | elg | ah, nothing like lunch |
| 18:40.45 | elg | although breakfast and dinner come pretty close |
| 18:57.32 | jsmith | elg: The Aggie Shuttle has been running on hydrogen, IIRC |
| 19:00.16 | elg | maybe your aggies |
| 19:00.35 | elg | these busses are ancient |
| 19:01.02 | Shadowwire | elg: where do you go to school? |
| 19:01.06 | elg | nmsu |
| 19:01.34 | Shadowwire | Namibia State University? |
| 19:01.57 | elg | North Mexico State University |
| 19:02.44 | Shadowwire | oh. Sorry |
| 19:02.48 | levi | elg: So, I guess you're not going to use the pink stuff? |
| 19:02.54 | elg | pshaw |
| 19:03.10 | elg | still my top idea, if plain tinfoil doesn't do enough good |
| 19:03.26 | elg | of course they're not going to say that it's safe |
| 19:03.54 | Shadowwire | I still dont understand what the tinfoil is for. |
| 19:04.02 | levi | You could make a box with concrete board, put it over your oven, and fill it with that vermiculite stuff. |
| 19:04.43 | elg | i can think of lots of things I could do, and I could buy lots of stuff (like welding blankets), but they'd all approach the cost of just adding another layer of brick |
| 19:04.59 | fozzmoo | Cat fur works well, I hear. |
| 19:05.10 | levi | Well, the vermiculite would be lightweight. |
| 19:05.12 | fozzmoo | But the person who told me that... he's not a fan of our feline friends. |
| 19:05.15 | elg | hmmm, there's an idea |
| 19:05.30 | elg | we have a lot of stray cats in the area. if I could trap them and tie them to the brick oven |
| 19:05.36 | Shadowwire | I say just burn cats for heat. |
| 19:05.40 | elg | might be a bit loud |
| 19:05.42 | levi | fozzmoo: You can probably collect more from a live cat than a dead one simply by brushing it regularly. |
| 19:05.53 | elg | Shadowwire: tinfoil reflects radiant heat |
| 19:06.07 | elg | does nothing for convection, but maybe reflecting radiant heat will be enough |
| 19:06.22 | elg | conduction isn't an issue, unless you have cats coming up and touching your oven |
| 19:06.42 | levi | Unless the head conducts into the foil and radiates from the foil. |
| 19:06.47 | levi | s/head/heat |
| 19:07.13 | elg | actually I might be losing heat to the cement patio via conduction. but that's easy to solve (though will cost a few bucks) with a vermiculite concrete slab |
| 19:07.24 | Shadowwire | I see. however it the tinfoil doesnt have a layer of something between it and the brick it will just help dissipate the heat into the surrounding air. |
| 19:08.09 | elg | if it's wrapped tightly it won't work as well as if it's wrapped around something insulatory (e.g. air or fiberglass) |
| 19:08.15 | elg | but it would still help |
| 19:08.17 | elg | think baked potato |
| 19:08.27 | elg | roasting turkey with foil tent |
| 19:08.34 | Shadowwire | fair enuph. |
| 19:08.36 | levi | You could use some chicken wire to create an air gap. |
| 19:08.43 | elg | pizza on a sheet vs straight on the hearth |
| 19:09.03 | elg | i actually have some pretty good air gapness going on |
| 19:09.15 | elg | since my concrete isn't very even, and has a slight overhang on the bricks |
| 19:09.24 | elg | but chicken wire is a good idea |
| 19:09.39 | Shadowwire | the sheet or tinfoil only helps it to heat evenly. |
| 19:09.43 | levi | Did you build the oven directly on the concrete? |
| 19:09.51 | elg | the baking sheet is actually detrimental |
| 19:10.14 | elg | levi: yes. the floor is brick set on top of the concrete |
| 19:10.28 | elg | later I might get some cinder blocks to raise it up |
| 19:10.47 | levi | There's also cement board. |
| 19:11.15 | levi | Wouldn't raise it, but it would make it easier to move, I suspect. |
| 19:11.30 | elg | well, it's dry stack so I just take it apart and reassemble |
| 19:11.38 | elg | and remud the cracks |
| 19:12.10 | levi | I lust after one of the big ovens described in The Bread Builders. |
| 19:12.33 | levi | I must have looked through about 20 different photo build journals of those kind of ovens. |
| 19:12.44 | Shadowwire | What is the advantage over a regular oven. |
| 19:12.58 | levi | Shadowwire: It gets really, really hot. |
| 19:13.20 | Shadowwire | Is that better for bread? |
| 19:13.27 | elg | Shadowwire: nothing if your regular oven has massive walls that radiate heat and gets up to 900° |
| 19:13.42 | levi | Shadowwire: And it retains heat, so once you fire it, you can cook stuff in it for a long time. |
| 19:13.47 | Shadowwire | so, Better for bread? |
| 19:13.51 | levi | Yes. |
| 19:13.55 | levi | Best for bread! |
| 19:14.08 | levi | Among other things. |
| 19:14.09 | Shadowwire | gotcha, Sorry i dont cook. |
| 19:14.10 | elg | and pizza |
| 19:14.17 | elg | we're sorry you don't cook too |
| 19:14.34 | levi | Also supposedly good for slow cooking, once the temperature has dropped a bit. |
| 19:14.48 | Shadowwire | you wouldnt be sorry if you ever tasted anything that i cooked. |
| 19:14.48 | levi | So you do pizzas while it's super-hot with a fire still in the back. |
| 19:15.10 | levi | Then you rake out the coals and you can bake a bunch of bread. |
| 19:15.19 | levi | And then you can roast stuff. |
| 19:15.39 | Shadowwire | Oh, like at "two fat guys pizza", or "the brick oven" |
| 19:15.49 | elg | yup |
| 19:15.53 | levi | And once it's cool enough, you can supposedly make yogurt. |
| 19:16.10 | elg | plus you get to play with fire |
| 19:16.32 | Shadowwire | Seems to me like the size and composition has a lot to do with how it cooks. |
| 19:16.47 | levi | Yeah. |
| 19:16.49 | Shadowwire | those are usualy pretty big. |
| 19:16.55 | levi | The more massive, the more heat it can retain. |
| 19:17.05 | elg | and if you live in a suburb of hades, like me, you can bake bread or pizza outside without raising your inside temperature 5-10 degrees |
| 19:17.20 | levi | That's a plus even in Utah summers. |
| 19:17.38 | elg | the big ones will hold heat for days |
| 19:17.57 | Shadowwire | So one layer of brick seems insufficient. |
| 19:18.00 | Supaplex|roaming | how clever. |
| 19:18.12 | levi | Depends on what you're going to cook with it. |
| 19:18.12 | elg | Shadowwire: insufficient for what? |
| 19:18.33 | Supaplex|roaming | scrambled eggs! |
| 19:18.37 | Shadowwire | retaining enuph temp to cook with. |
| 19:18.58 | elg | it may seem so |
| 19:19.02 | levi | Well, they all retain heat, the difference is in how long. |
| 19:19.18 | elg | but various people have had success |
| 19:19.25 | levi | That's why they sell those ceramic briquettes to stick in your gas grill. |
| 19:19.38 | elg | including native americans building small adobe hornos |
| 19:19.41 | Shadowwire | Actually... Now that I think about it. Ive had pig cooked with hot rocks. |
| 19:19.59 | elg | yup |
| 19:20.10 | Shadowwire | and it was good. |
| 19:20.13 | elg | my size is definitely ineffecient, in terms of how much wood is used |
| 19:20.29 | elg | because it only holds heat for a couple hours |
| 19:20.36 | elg | and has no insulation :) |
| 19:21.12 | Shadowwire | It makes sense now. Thats why your looking for someting to "contain" the radiant temp. |
| 19:21.21 | elg | right |
| 19:21.25 | levi | You're catching on. :) |
| 19:22.07 | Shadowwire | Perhaps the tinfoil with a layer of straw between it and the brick. (straw and hay are great insulators) |
| 19:22.36 | levi | Aside from their tendency to burn when exposed to high heat. |
| 19:22.39 | Shadowwire | and cheap. |
| 19:23.02 | elg | yeah, based on these diagrams I think the outside of my bricks should be approaching 700° |
| 19:23.02 | elg | http://www.fornobravo.com/pizza_oven_management/holding_heat.html |
| 19:23.14 | elg | and without insulation I've seen 400° external temp |
| 19:23.26 | elg | hence my quest for cheap fireproof insulation |
| 19:23.38 | Shadowwire | well, theres always that. However they could withstand more if not exposed to open flame. |
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| 19:24.07 | Shadowwire | I hear people are just throwing away Asbestos. |
| 19:25.02 | elg | the disadvantage to big ovens for little people is that it takes a lot more wood to heat up the oven |
| 19:25.37 | elg | and if you're only going to use it to cook one meal and a loaf or two every time you fire it (about once a week) then my oven doesn't look so inefficient anymore :) |
| 19:26.02 | Shadowwire | Is wood cheap where you live? |
| 19:26.50 | Shadowwire | Its free here. As long as you go get it yourself. |
| 19:26.51 | levi | I don't want a huge one, just a permanently installed one. |
| 19:27.23 | elg | it's not bad. there's not much to gather around here, but i can get 35 pounds for $5 |
| 19:27.33 | Shadowwire | Ouch. |
| 19:27.37 | elg | and that's in the summer. might be cheaper/more expensive in the winter |
| 19:27.41 | Shadowwire | where do you live? |
| 19:28.18 | elg | but it only takes about 1/4 of that to fire my oven. so $1.25 or so a firing (e.g. per week) |
| 19:28.20 | Shadowwire | I burn 35 lbs in about 2 hrs in the winter. |
| 19:28.49 | Shadowwire | Probably more like 50 lbs |
| 19:28.50 | elg | I'm not sure that getting my electric oven up to 450° doesn't cost $1.25 |
| 19:29.01 | Shadowwire | your probably right. |
| 19:29.02 | elg | yeah, but this isn't like stoking your wood stove |
| 19:29.13 | elg | or a campfire |
| 19:29.39 | elg | the italians usually use faggots |
| 19:30.00 | elg | or fagots, depending on how you like to spell it |
| 19:30.07 | Shadowwire | Youll have to send me a peice of bread in the mail when your done, so I can see if it was worth it. |
| 19:30.26 | Shadowwire | Burn gay people? Theres an Idia. |
| 19:31.26 | elg | i'll post a scratch 'n' sniff pic on my blog |
| 19:32.40 | Shadowwire | Im sure youll get some blonds scratching and smelling theyre screen. :) |
| 19:33.07 | Shadowwire | (sorry their) |
| 19:33.10 | elg | "it works better if you scratch with your fingertip instead of your fingernail. the oils help activate the scent" |
| 19:33.19 | Shadowwire | nice |
| 19:34.17 | Shadowwire | Hey Levi, Your in happy valley right? Is it raining there? |
| 19:34.54 | elg | ~metar kpvu |
| 19:35.15 | levi | Shadowwire: I live in Lehi. I work in Sandy. |
| 19:35.26 | elg | doesn't look like it's raining |
| 19:35.42 | PelaoFeliz | I'm in Orem -- just partly cloudy, beautiful blue sky |
| 19:35.54 | Shadowwire | thanks |
| 19:37.20 | elg | ~metar klru |
| 19:39.14 | Shadowwire | What do all those numbers mean? |
| 19:40.49 | Shadowwire | Quick question. If you were looking for a water heater, would you expect to find it under "fixtures" or "plumbing" ? |
| 19:40.56 | PelaoFeliz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR |
| 19:41.07 | Shadowwire | thanks |
| 19:43.43 | elg | 30th august 1933 utc time, wind 130° at 8 knots, visibility 10 statute miles, broken clouds at 11000 feet, temp 29°C dewpoint 16°C altimiter 30.29 inHg |
| 19:44.25 | Shadowwire | very descriptive. thanks |
| 19:45.47 | jsmith | elg: 1933? |
| 19:46.17 | jsmith | Who wants weather reports for 75 years ago? |
| 19:48.37 | ^Migs^ | I have to call a support line, but I don't want to talk to another Sanjay Gambesh. Maybe if I call the European Support center, I'll get an American. |
| 19:48.49 | elg | 7:33pm UTC |
| 19:49.02 | elg | call the asian line |
| 19:49.10 | elg | you might get a mexican |
| 19:49.44 | ^Migs^ | haha, my coworker just said, "Just like the fish in Nemo says 'All drains lead to the ocean,' all call center lines lead to India." |
| 19:49.55 | elg | I know now why I'm subconsciously depressed this week. The International Computer Music Conference in Aalborg is going on without me |
| 19:50.42 | Shadowwire | wHY NOT GO? |
| 19:50.48 | Shadowwire | Damn caps lock |
| 19:51.12 | elg | $$ |
| 19:51.38 | Supaplex|roaming | $$ is easy. $$$$ isn't. |
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| 19:55.02 | klys | silly router, tricks aren't for kicks |
| 19:55.52 | ^Migs^ | wow, I got an American |
| 19:56.06 | elg | ask to be transferred to an indian overlord |
| 19:56.17 | Shadowwire | Miracles realy do happen! |
| 19:56.40 | Supaplex|roaming | lol |
| 19:56.42 | klys | I have 3 nepali overlords, I am scum |
| 19:57.06 | Shadowwire | As long as you admit it. |
| 19:57.18 | Supaplex|roaming | I'll trade you for my box of three year old corn flakes |
| 19:57.19 | klys | we're supposed to vote on my desk |
| 19:58.15 | klys | nobody sticks around in this game |
| 20:01.46 | ^Migs^ | If I call Alaska, maybe I'll get a penguin |
| 20:02.02 | Supaplex|roaming | not a polar bear? |
| 20:02.25 | ^Migs^ | no, the idea was that by calling the north pole I'd get someone on the south pole |
| 20:02.30 | ^Migs^ | That was too obscure, sorry |
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| 20:17.27 | ddrfreak | yo |
| 20:27.20 | Supaplex|roaming | I'll take a #7 with bacon, and hold the klys. |
| 20:30.34 | maquis | Supaplex|roaming: you want to hold klys??? |
| 20:30.46 | Supaplex|roaming | I was asking them to |
| 20:36.10 | maquis | oh |
| 20:36.15 | maquis | hmm.. |
| 20:36.26 | maquis | klys: what food place? |
| 20:39.00 | elg | they serve gagh |
| 20:39.05 | elg | or is it qagh |
| 20:40.16 | maquis | gagh |
| 20:40.33 | maquis | moderately interesting |
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| 20:52.49 | ^Migs^ | good gravy |
| 20:52.52 | ^Migs^ | I told the tech support line to have someone email me, that I ONLY wanted to be emailed. Instead they have Sanjay Ramalamaobama call me. |
| 20:52.59 | ^Migs^ | and during his ramble he actually asks, "I think your communication preference is through email, right?" |
| 20:53.04 | ^Migs^ | Uh, yes, so why did you call me? |
| 20:53.30 | Supaplex|roaming | haha |
| 20:53.35 | elg | to verify your communication preference of course |
| 20:53.45 | Supaplex|roaming | who's this Sanjay guy with anyway? |
| 20:53.48 | ddrfreak | seems about right |
| 20:54.11 | elg | nobody ever gets fired for calling someone who prefers email |
| 20:54.24 | elg | if you email a technophobe, they're likely to explode |
| 20:54.42 | elg | and since they have a phone implanted in their head anyway, they call and rant to your supervisor |
| 20:54.54 | ^Migs^ | BEA |
| 20:55.06 | elg | is that a food additive? to preserve freshness? |
| 20:55.22 | ^Migs^ | I don't know what his name was |
| 20:55.26 | ^Migs^ | I actually understood him better than I understand most Indians |
| 20:55.31 | ^Migs^ | maybe I'm just getting used to the accent. |
| 20:56.14 | elg | only three hours until friday |
| 20:59.10 | klys | pretty close to what you had in mind, just mostly deli meat instead of bacon |
| 21:00.57 | ^Migs^ | did you play against that unbeatable checkers program? |
| 21:01.30 | klys | no, a real guy,imagine |
| 21:01.54 | klys | his name's mark and he's interested in playing settlers too |
| 21:03.07 | Supaplex|roaming | science friday had a podcast about checkers a few weeks ago. apparently someone calculated enough games to prove a draw is the outcome if both opponents play the best perfect game possible. |
| 21:03.46 | klys | sounds about right, it's like catch you at tic tac toe |
| 21:04.34 | Supaplex|roaming | ahh. I heard it as cats. |
| 21:05.05 | klys | s/as/has? |
| 21:05.22 | Supaplex|roaming | no typo. |
| 21:05.31 | klys | we had a couple few cat moves, though |
| 21:06.24 | klys | so do you have a library? |
| 21:07.25 | tensai | Supaplex|roaming: that's why I prefer global thermonuclear war |
| 21:07.28 | Supaplex|roaming | oh this'll be fun. recovering files from a 26gb compressed dump(8) backup. |
| 21:07.53 | klys | was it fat32? |
| 21:07.58 | Supaplex|roaming | ext3 |
| 21:08.11 | klys | hmm, what utility? |
| 21:08.28 | Supaplex|roaming | dump(8)+gzip |
| 21:09.09 | klys | I mean to recover the files with |
| 21:09.09 | Supaplex|roaming | restore(8) |
| 21:09.10 | klys | ok |
| 21:09.22 | Supaplex|roaming | the fun part is the waiting.. |
| 21:13.27 | Shadowwire | yeah, Fun... |
| 21:13.59 | Supaplex|roaming | -P might be resourcefu |
| 21:14.03 | Shadowwire | klys, Did I tell you I bought settlers and the expansion some months ago? |
| 21:14.05 | Supaplex|roaming | +l |
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| 21:19.22 | klys | shadow: cool |
| 21:19.31 | klys | have you played it a few times by now? |
| 21:20.04 | klys | it's so popular around here I'd have trouble actually using my own set |
| 21:23.03 | ddrfreak | which expansion |
| 21:23.17 | nick125 | Yay! Qwest fixed my DSL line. |
| 21:24.09 | ddrfreak | ok so i'm so sick of having professors that don't know anything about what they preach. |
| 21:24.52 | ddrfreak | he's so out of touch with the real world and it's technology |
| 21:25.39 | Supaplex|roaming | nick125: snip snip? |
| 21:25.59 | nick125 | Supaplex|roaming: No, they actually came out and replaced the drop and put in a new NID box |
| 21:26.11 | Supaplex|roaming | yay |
| 21:27.47 | levi | ddrfreak: What class are you referring to? |
| 21:32.29 | ddrfreak | info 1420 |
| 21:32.33 | ddrfreak | at UVSC |
| 21:35.03 | nick125 | Hmm. Do you guys think it's worth $20 more a month for 3.5mbit faster connection? (from 1.5mbit to 5mbit)? |
| 21:35.36 | Tene | nick125: depends on what you're doing with it. |
| 21:36.31 | elg | $20/mo? heck no |
| 21:36.35 | elg | but i'm not a bandwidth junky |
| 21:36.38 | levi | ddrfreak: What's info 1420, and what's your problem with it? |
| 21:36.41 | elg | junkie even |
| 21:37.05 | nick125 | Well, my part that I pay for is $10 (I don't pay the phone bill :-) |
| 21:37.14 | elg | ah, well... :) |
| 21:38.25 | elg | levi: not enough dancing probably |
| 21:38.50 | ddrfreak | ?it's just another one of those classes that is all theoretical tech. There isn't any information in this clas i haven't heard in another. Not to mention that none of the info in it is actually usefull in the real world |
| 21:39.15 | Supaplex|roaming | welcome to uvsc |
| 21:39.16 | nick125 | The extra bandwidth would be nice when I'm downloading stuff and during my daily updates |
| 21:39.17 | elg | things like the origin of the caps lock key? |
| 21:39.32 | Tene | elg: what's the origin of the caps lock key? |
| 21:39.45 | levi | ddrfreak: Could you possibly be more vague? |
| 21:40.02 | elg | that's for you to learn in aclass |
| 21:40.08 | elg | and have homework on |
| 21:40.32 | elg | levi: he's dancing around the bush. it's in his jeans as a ddr freak |
| 21:40.44 | levi | I, by default, feel no sympathy for people who complain about classes. |
| 21:41.30 | ddrfreak | ok, the class title is "systems architecture" You'd know my frustration if you have ever taken it. |
| 21:41.35 | levi | Specific details may elicit sympathy, however. And I like a good tale of a bad class. But random whining without a good story is annoying. |
| 21:42.00 | ddrfreak | sorry, i'm just sick of classes like this being required. |
| 21:42.04 | thaddeusq | ~annoy levi |
| 21:42.05 | ibot | ACTION dances around levi, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy levi to the maximum amount |
| 21:42.25 | ddrfreak | i'm really just venting more then anything. |
| 21:42.44 | levi | Well, what sort of 'systems architecture' stuff does is discuss, and why do you feel it's irrelevant? |
| 21:42.47 | Supaplex|roaming | don't forget to play levi's favorate songs with random deviation in pitch |
| 21:43.59 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/blog/node/132 |
| 21:44.07 | tensai | scp v. tar+ssh v. rsync+ssh |
| 21:44.16 | tensai | tar won the match hands down |
| 21:44.20 | ddrfreak | right now he's going over 4 year old information about hardware. It's the same thing i've been "learning" since 6th grade. Honestly, the chart in our book says a desktop with 2 gig of ram and 80 gig harddrive costs around 1500 dollars |
| 21:44.47 | nick125 | ddrfreak: That's a lie :p |
| 21:45.02 | levi | tensai: Color me unsurprised. :) |
| 21:45.09 | ddrfreak | i know it is, but tell that to my book |
| 21:45.28 | tensai | levi: I knew scp would lose, but wasn't sure about rsync or tar. looking back though it seems obvious. |
| 21:45.50 | ddrfreak | my system has 4 gig and 320 hdd and cost me 600 |
| 21:46.10 | tensai | what's the point of publishing a book about current hardware? it's going to be useless by the time it gets to the printer. |
| 21:46.25 | tensai | but the concepts will be consistent, so don't fret the details |
| 21:46.58 | levi | ddrfreak: I'm sure it's not talking about home-built systems. Anyway, what tensai said. |
| 21:48.05 | tensai | theory might not be as fun as practical labs, but in the long run theory is extremely useful |
| 21:48.40 | tensai | I've never in the course of my job needed to design a feistel cipher, but knowing how DES and AES work has come in extremely handy |
| 21:49.12 | elg | tensai: nice post. sjansen needs to demerit his student |
| 21:50.45 | elg | tensai: you should compare tar over netcat too |
| 21:50.52 | levi | Besides, despite the lowering of prices and increasing of speed and capacity, PC architecture has remained pretty constant over the last 10 years or so. |
| 21:51.53 | elg | or rsh or whatever nonencrypted format |
| 21:52.45 | tensai | elg: I just wanted to test commands that I might actually use. feel free to post a follow-up. |
| 21:53.01 | ddrfreak | that's true |
| 21:53.25 | levi | tensai: Oh, and tar doesn't finish glomming things together before it starts spitting stuff out, IIRC. |
| 21:54.06 | elg | ah but I don't have the same baseline. I'd have to run all the tests to get a meaningful comparison |
| 21:54.08 | elg | and I'm too lazy to do that |
| 21:54.19 | elg | levi: correct. I tested like this to be sure: |
| 21:54.27 | tensai | elg: the commands are right there. s/\[server\]/falcon/ and you're set. |
| 21:54.45 | elg | ssh falcon tar c /av/video > /dev/null |
| 21:54.52 | elg | watch the bandwidth meter go up in a second or two |
| 21:54.53 | elg | ctrl-c |
| 21:55.10 | levi | And I suspected that scp would probably do the wrong thing with symlinks, which is why I didn't suggest it as a proper way to do a remote cp -a. |
| 21:55.55 | tensai | levi: would have been nice to know earlier. I sat there and waited while it copied /usr |
| 21:56.23 | elg | :) |
| 21:58.40 | levi | Well, I did mention it. :) |
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| 21:59.47 | Shadowwire | Later all. |
| 21:59.50 | klys | ciao |
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| 22:29.55 | Tene | itsafozz. |
| 22:30.32 | fozzmoo | It is. |
| 22:30.38 | fozzmoo | A dirty, sweaty on. |
| 22:30.41 | fozzmoo | A dirty, sweaty one. |
| 22:33.48 | Supaplex|roaming | ~wash fozzmoo |
| 22:33.49 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on fozzmoo and says "That was for the smell" |
| 22:34.24 | fozzmoo | Supaplex|roaming: tx |
| 22:49.05 | goozbach | any mssql gurus in the house? |
| 22:51.30 | Supaplex|roaming | not since I wrote a ms2pg perl script. |
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| 22:55.55 | bonez44 | I am having installation troubles...Here's a listing of the error >> http://pastebin.ca/676308 |
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| 23:07.39 | tensai | goozbach: I play one on TV |
| 23:16.08 | bonez44 | tensai: what do you play on TV? |
| 23:16.21 | tensai | an mssql guru |
| 23:16.46 | bonez44 | ah.......how about an installation using apt-get on etch guru? |
| 23:17.47 | bonez44 | I get this when attempting to install cups on a machine I am setting up ... |
| 23:17.51 | bonez44 | Making all in pdftops... |
| 23:17.51 | bonez44 | Compiling Annot.cxx... |
| 23:17.51 | bonez44 | make[1]: g++: Command not found |
| 23:17.51 | bonez44 | make[1]: *** [Annot.o] Error 127 |
| 23:17.51 | bonez44 | make: *** [all] Error 1 |
| 23:18.11 | Supaplex|roaming | with apt? |
| 23:18.20 | tensai | apt-get install g++ |
| 23:18.45 | tensai | apt-get build-dep cupsys |
| 23:20.01 | bonez44 | no no, that's too simple..Iwant the difficult solution..... |
| 23:20.08 | bonez44 | I am a bit dense today...eh? |
| 23:21.13 | goozbach | tensai: I've got a overflowing transaction log |
| 23:21.24 | goozbach | and I am at a loss of how to fix it |
| 23:21.38 | goozbach | I've done everything that the microsoft website has said |
| 23:21.46 | goozbach | shrink, backup, truncate |
| 23:21.48 | Supaplex|roaming | ~fix goozbach's transaction log |
| 23:21.49 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of goozbach's transaction log , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 23:21.53 | goozbach | but to no avail |
| 23:22.02 | goozbach | I'd pay $500 right now |
| 23:22.14 | Supaplex|roaming | support.microsoft.com |
| 23:22.40 | herlo | ~lart support.microsoft.com |
| 23:22.40 | ibot | stabs support.microsoft.com |
| 23:23.10 | goozbach | this whopper tastes like poo |
| 23:23.37 | Supaplex|roaming | is that their new flavor now? |
| 23:23.49 | Supaplex|roaming | must be something marketing came up with |
| 23:23.49 | herlo | goozbach: ping |
| 23:24.01 | nick125 | goozbach: Even more than it normally tastes? |
| 23:24.02 | bonez44 | maybe you got a whopper groundup from the back o the cow..... |
| 23:24.13 | Supaplex|roaming | goozbach: what version of sql server? |
| 23:24.23 | goozbach | 2005 |
| 23:24.33 | goozbach | it's kicking me square in the gonads |
| 23:25.20 | Supaplex|roaming | any word for word error messages? |
| 23:25.34 | Supaplex|roaming | 0x800 codes? |
| 23:25.37 | bonez44 | anyone have advice on adding a blog to a site? |
| 23:27.41 | Supaplex|roaming | goozbach: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/873235 |
| 23:27.56 | goozbach | if I've still got the full database file, why can't I delete the transaction log and restart? |
| 23:28.27 | goozbach | Supaplex|roaming: that's the page I followed when I "done everything that the microsoft website has said" |
| 23:28.36 | goozbach | but none of it worked |
| 23:30.57 | Supaplex|roaming | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms175495.aspx I get rendering issues in firefox |
| 23:38.09 | goozbach | on a 9 gig database |
| 23:38.26 | goozbach | I have a transaction log of over 130 gigs |
| 23:38.36 | goozbach | does that even seem possible |
| 23:38.38 | goozbach | ? |
| 23:39.01 | Supaplex|roaming | I've seen similar on mysql (until I adjusted it to 100MB max) |
| 23:40.10 | levi | Heh. A guy just killed himself at Burning Man and it took a couple hours for people to realize because they thought he was doing an art piece. |
| 23:40.17 | Supaplex|roaming | so you reset the size, and restarted mssql, and it's still this size? |
| 23:40.33 | goozbach | yeah |
| 23:43.54 | Supaplex|roaming | goozbach: this look familar? http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/truncate_log_SQL_server.asp?df=100&forumid=315417&exp=0&select=1536889 |
| 23:45.14 | Supaplex|roaming | # II looks like what you're after |
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| 23:50.37 | goozbach | Supaplex|roaming: if I wasn't a hetersexual male I'd kiss you right now |
| 23:51.34 | Supaplex|roaming | cool :) |