| 00:00.26 | Dave_AU | you look bored. where were you when it was taken ? |
| 00:00.28 | swissgirl | qrz |
| 00:00.36 | QRZ | Where was it taken? |
| 00:00.37 | swissgirl | check it again |
| 00:00.49 | swissgirl | on the sea, i was hungry and i waited for the waiter |
| 00:00.53 | swissgirl | and he just didn't came |
| 00:00.53 | Dave_AU | haha |
| 00:00.59 | swissgirl | and i was soooo f... annoyed |
| 00:01.14 | Dave_AU | i see mountains, and ocean. or some large body of water |
| 00:01.22 | swissgirl | yes the sea |
| 00:01.30 | swissgirl | adriatic |
| 00:02.02 | QRZ | swissgirl: I got it. You look serious in that one. |
| 00:02.13 | swissgirl | yeah i had an exame |
| 00:02.20 | swissgirl | just before that |
| 00:02.23 | Dave_AU | i've never been to europe, but i'm looking forward to going at some stage |
| 00:02.56 | QRZ | swissgirl: I see. That'll do it, for sure. |
| 00:03.19 | Dave_AU | anyway, it's 6pm here, and i still have nothing to do on my saturday night. is there anyone from saltlake on here? |
| 00:04.28 | QRZ | It's 4:04 Sunday Morning here... |
| 00:04.47 | swissgirl | 2 am here |
| 00:05.27 | swissgirl | and this is my youngest nephew |
| 00:05.28 | Dave_AU | hah, so neither of you guys are up for dinner then :P |
| 00:05.59 | swissgirl | dinner? |
| 00:06.10 | QRZ | Well, one thing about this job... I get several hours of downtime during my shift... as long as the equipment keeps working... |
| 00:06.26 | QRZ | ...so far, so good! :-) |
| 00:06.31 | Dave_AU | you could jump on a plane and come over for a beer? |
| 00:06.54 | swissgirl | now i don't understand a word |
| 00:07.08 | swissgirl | is that some cryptical men talk? |
| 00:07.22 | QRZ | Dave_AU: Sounds like a plan... although the 18 hour Plane ride sorta makes it not sound so good! |
| 00:07.28 | Dave_AU | swissgirl: i'm hungry, and i'd prefer to go out with someone for food, eating by yourself sucks. |
| 00:07.52 | swissgirl | then go out and find a girl |
| 00:08.05 | swissgirl | say that you're aussie and that you're like crocodile dundee |
| 00:08.05 | QRZ | swissgirl: Sorry... I tend to throw a lot of slang! |
| 00:08.06 | Dave_AU | QRZ: lol. you couldn't fit that into your shift ? |
| 00:08.20 | swissgirl | qrz |
| 00:08.21 | QRZ | Dave_AU: 'fraid not! |
| 00:08.23 | Dave_AU | ahahaha. |
| 00:08.25 | swissgirl | can you delete the 3. pic also? |
| 00:08.49 | QRZ | swissgirl: Ok, will do... |
| 00:09.40 | QRZ | Who is the kid? |
| 00:09.42 | Dave_AU | well, last weekend i got on here, and asked for restraunt recommendations, and ended up having a whole crowd of people meeting up for chinese. |
| 00:09.46 | swissgirl | my nephew |
| 00:09.57 | Dave_AU | i was kinda hoping something like that would happen again |
| 00:10.08 | QRZ | swissgirl: Ok. I thought maybe you had a son or something. |
| 00:10.15 | swissgirl | meee? |
| 00:10.16 | swissgirl | nooooo |
| 00:10.33 | swissgirl | not in the next few years :-) |
| 00:10.43 | swissgirl | so dave did you found at least a nice chinese girl? |
| 00:11.44 | Dave_AU | haha, nah, my aussie gf wouldn't be impressed if i did. :P |
| 00:11.48 | swissgirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.52 | Dave_AU | i did have a great night tho |
| 00:12.02 | swissgirl | in afghanistan |
| 00:12.16 | swissgirl | every thursday is somehow party time over there i think something like that |
| 00:12.18 | swissgirl | aaaaaaaaand |
| 00:12.31 | swissgirl | they think that woman are for babies and men for pleasure! |
| 00:12.42 | swissgirl | and they do this pleasure-thing on thursday |
| 00:12.47 | swissgirl | did u know that? |
| 00:12.49 | QRZ | swissgirl: I've heard that before... very strange. |
| 00:12.53 | swissgirl | yes |
| 00:12.57 | Dave_AU | :| i didnt know that |
| 00:13.00 | swissgirl | dave |
| 00:13.07 | Dave_AU | ya? |
| 00:13.20 | QRZ | swissgirl: Women, and only women for me... :-) |
| 00:13.21 | swissgirl | i think you're aussie gf wouldn't be pleased either if you where in afghanistan and would go out on thursday |
| 00:13.35 | swissgirl | so it could be always worser |
| 00:13.43 | swissgirl | just have to relative the things |
| 00:13.54 | swissgirl | did i calm down now your conscious? |
| 00:14.03 | swissgirl | you can still go out now and find a chinese girl |
| 00:14.28 | Dave_AU | :) thanks, but i'd be happy with someone to have a beer with and a chat |
| 00:14.55 | swissgirl | dave? |
| 00:14.57 | Dave_AU | the rest of my work team has gone back to kangaroo land now, so it's just me here now |
| 00:15.07 | swissgirl | will you marry her? |
| 00:15.07 | Dave_AU | yes? |
| 00:15.16 | swissgirl | u can tell me i won't tell her |
| 00:15.17 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:15.25 | Dave_AU | i don't know swissgirl, i don't know |
| 00:15.27 | swissgirl | i can help you with the porpose-thing |
| 00:15.33 | swissgirl | i have nice ideas |
| 00:15.51 | swissgirl | how long are you with her together? |
| 00:16.17 | swissgirl | how old r u? |
| 00:16.22 | swissgirl | how old is she? |
| 00:16.49 | Dave_AU | 14 months together, i'm 23, she's 20 |
| 00:17.06 | swissgirl | oh |
| 00:17.07 | Dave_AU | brb |
| 00:17.12 | swissgirl | then you have time! :-) |
| 00:17.26 | QRZ | swissgirl: How old are you? |
| 00:17.31 | swissgirl | i think 24 |
| 00:17.37 | swissgirl | it's changing so fast |
| 00:17.41 | QRZ | swissgirl: You think? |
| 00:17.43 | swissgirl | i barly can follow it |
| 00:17.44 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:18.01 | QRZ | swissgirl: I know what you mean... |
| 00:18.04 | swissgirl | yeah i don't know where this past years went |
| 00:18.11 | swissgirl | i was 19 when i got to zurich |
| 00:18.13 | swissgirl | and now i'm 24 |
| 00:18.16 | swissgirl | ?!?!? |
| 00:18.28 | QRZ | swissgirl: Time flies when you're having fun! |
| 00:18.36 | Dave_AU | haha. that'll happen! |
| 00:18.38 | swissgirl | now that wasn't really fun |
| 00:18.46 | QRZ | swissgirl: ... another slang for ya! |
| 00:18.54 | swissgirl | what? |
| 00:19.11 | swissgirl | hey you guys filling me here up with slang talk |
| 00:19.15 | swissgirl | and then when i get to the oral test |
| 00:19.16 | QRZ | swissgirl: the time flies thing... |
| 00:19.20 | swissgirl | my teacher is not going to understand a thing |
| 00:19.34 | QRZ | swissgirl: Sure he will. |
| 00:19.36 | swissgirl | time flies when you're having fun |
| 00:19.39 | swissgirl | ok |
| 00:19.40 | swissgirl | i remember that |
| 00:19.43 | Dave_AU | we're corrupting your perfect english :P |
| 00:20.21 | QRZ | haha... |
| 00:20.29 | swissgirl | qrz? |
| 00:20.43 | swissgirl | i have a feeling that you've been somehow nasty now |
| 00:20.45 | swissgirl | right? |
| 00:20.53 | QRZ | swissgirl: Naw... |
| 00:21.09 | swissgirl | u sure? |
| 00:21.18 | swissgirl | otherwise i would come over to iraq and kick your butt |
| 00:21.27 | QRZ | swissgirl: I think I'm sure... but not certain! |
| 00:21.43 | QRZ | ...or something along those lines. |
| 00:22.15 | QRZ | swissgirl: Anyway, if we say any slang that you haven't heard before, just ask... |
| 00:22.27 | QRZ | swissgirl: We'll tell ya what it means. |
| 00:22.42 | swissgirl | ok |
| 00:23.29 | QRZ | swissgirl: but please don't come over here and kick my butt... |
| 00:23.56 | swissgirl | you're scared? |
| 00:24.19 | QRZ | swissgirl: Women in general, scare me... but I love them anyway! |
| 00:24.31 | swissgirl | hehehehehe |
| 00:24.43 | swissgirl | very generous |
| 00:24.50 | QRZ | :-) |
| 00:26.07 | QRZ | so... |
| 00:26.29 | QRZ | swissgirl: Why are you up so late? |
| 00:26.34 | swissgirl | i should study |
| 00:26.34 | QRZ | swissgirl: ...or early? |
| 00:26.46 | Dave_AU | QRZ: why are you up so early ? |
| 00:27.19 | QRZ | Dave_AU: I work from 22:00 until 12:00 |
| 00:27.29 | QRZ | Dave_AU: local time |
| 00:27.41 | QRZ | Dave_AU: Basically graveyard and then some. |
| 00:27.59 | Dave_AU | ahh right, so you're in the middle of your shift ? |
| 00:28.03 | swissgirl | Basically graveyard and then some. |
| 00:28.04 | QRZ | Dave_AU: So basically it's in the middle of the day for me. |
| 00:28.05 | swissgirl | `??? |
| 00:28.19 | QRZ | swissgirl: Graveyard shift |
| 00:28.23 | swissgirl | heheh |
| 00:28.26 | swissgirl | greaveyard?! |
| 00:28.31 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:28.38 | QRZ | swissgirl: It means working through the night. |
| 00:28.41 | swissgirl | ok |
| 00:28.45 | QRZ | another slang! Haha. |
| 00:28.50 | swissgirl | i have a new dress |
| 00:28.53 | swissgirl | red |
| 00:29.04 | QRZ | swissgirl: I'd like to see it! |
| 00:29.11 | QRZ | swissgirl: I bet it looks nice. |
| 00:29.24 | swissgirl | i could show u |
| 00:29.33 | QRZ | swissgirl: Ok. |
| 00:29.51 | swissgirl | unfortunatly i don't have any pic's of it |
| 00:29.52 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:30.07 | QRZ | swissgirl: ahh... perhaps next time then. |
| 00:30.10 | swissgirl | luckily i have a webcam :-) |
| 00:30.23 | QRZ | Oooh! Now you're talkin' |
| 00:30.27 | QRZ | hehe |
| 00:30.31 | swissgirl | heheheeh |
| 00:32.38 | swissgirl | ok |
| 00:32.42 | swissgirl | i installed the cam |
| 00:33.01 | QRZ | Ok! |
| 00:33.10 | swissgirl | but i need your msn adress |
| 00:33.21 | QRZ | I don't have msn! :-( |
| 00:33.40 | swissgirl | skype? |
| 00:33.55 | QRZ | hmm... I used to. |
| 00:33.59 | swissgirl | ok |
| 00:34.03 | swissgirl | doesn't matter |
| 00:34.05 | QRZ | But I don't remember the address. |
| 00:34.15 | QRZ | er I mean the password |
| 00:34.17 | swissgirl | then i will try the dress tomorrow |
| 00:34.22 | swissgirl | on the street |
| 00:34.22 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:34.41 | swissgirl | oh |
| 00:34.51 | swissgirl | i can show you |
| 00:34.53 | swissgirl | how it looks like |
| 00:35.06 | QRZ | Ok. |
| 00:35.38 | swissgirl | dave had found a chinese |
| 00:36.08 | Dave_AU | had? |
| 00:36.19 | Dave_AU | i'm here :P |
| 00:36.21 | swissgirl | oh you're still here |
| 00:36.22 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:36.25 | swissgirl | sorry |
| 00:36.38 | QRZ | Hey, I gotta go take care of an issue... I'll be back in about 15 minutes... |
| 00:36.44 | swissgirl | nooooooooooo |
| 00:36.55 | QRZ | I'll be back... promise! |
| 00:37.01 | swissgirl | nooo |
| 00:37.23 | Dave_AU | awww, dont panic, i'm still here |
| 00:37.27 | swissgirl | hehehe |
| 00:38.22 | Dave_AU | just quiet, thats all |
| 00:38.40 | Dave_AU | so, why did you say you were up so late ? |
| 00:38.47 | swissgirl | i should learn |
| 00:38.50 | swissgirl | but i'm not motivated |
| 00:38.56 | swissgirl | and i thought i read the english book |
| 00:39.04 | swissgirl | at least to do something |
| 00:39.19 | swissgirl | and then this exciting book talking about cowboys brought me here |
| 00:39.20 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:39.27 | swissgirl | http://www2.victoriassecret.com/commerce/application/prodDisplay/?namespace=productDisplay&origin=onlineProductDisplay.jsp&event=display&prnbr=3C-213660&page=1&cgname=OSCLODRSDAY&rfnbr=3205 |
| 00:39.30 | swissgirl | this is my new dress |
| 00:40.02 | Dave_AU | so you found an irc group called utah, and throught you'd give it a shot |
| 00:40.05 | Dave_AU | :) |
| 00:40.11 | swissgirl | exactly |
| 00:40.20 | swissgirl | i knew you would understand me |
| 00:40.39 | Dave_AU | too bad it's ment for conversation about open source software ;) |
| 00:40.50 | swissgirl | and here i am, talking to an former cowboy who's in iraq and pretending to be james bond and a lost aussie in the us missing his gf from austrlia |
| 00:41.23 | swissgirl | open source software? |
| 00:41.33 | Dave_AU | thats pretty much it. on the bright side, my gf just signed into msn, so i'm chatting to her. |
| 00:41.48 | swissgirl | ok give her greeeetz from me |
| 00:41.49 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:41.57 | Dave_AU | * Topic is 'The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 |
| 00:42.08 | Dave_AU | thats what it says when you join the channel :P |
| 00:42.15 | swissgirl | okok smartass |
| 00:42.17 | swissgirl | go to your gf |
| 00:42.18 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:42.26 | Dave_AU | but thats ok, we can talk about pretty much whatever we want :) |
| 00:44.08 | Dave_AU | heh, she said hi. |
| 00:44.21 | Dave_AU | so what else are you studying other than english ? |
| 00:44.28 | swissgirl | economics |
| 00:44.35 | swissgirl | my final exams are in 1 week |
| 00:44.59 | Dave_AU | btw, that's a fantastic dress on victorias secret! |
| 00:45.08 | swissgirl | it is! |
| 00:45.09 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:45.12 | swissgirl | i like it a lot |
| 00:45.34 | Dave_AU | wow, economics is something i've never done. |
| 00:45.38 | swissgirl | and it fits perfect i think but i didn't try yet |
| 00:45.40 | Dave_AU | interesting ? |
| 00:45.44 | swissgirl | no:-) |
| 00:45.57 | swissgirl | just lot of bla bla bla |
| 00:46.30 | swissgirl | however |
| 00:46.34 | swissgirl | i go now |
| 00:46.37 | swissgirl | studying |
| 00:46.37 | Dave_AU | go? |
| 00:46.42 | swissgirl | yes |
| 00:46.43 | Dave_AU | aww, ok then |
| 00:46.53 | Dave_AU | well, good luck with your exams |
| 00:47.02 | swissgirl | i wish u all the best with your gf and invite me for the wedding |
| 00:47.03 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 00:47.15 | Dave_AU | and better luck finding cowboys on here next time :) |
| 00:47.21 | swissgirl | heheheh |
| 00:48.01 | swissgirl | thx bye and give a hug to qrz :-) |
| 00:48.23 | QRZ | swissgirl: Hey... |
| 00:48.31 | swissgirl | yes |
| 00:48.37 | QRZ | Where ya goin? |
| 00:48.50 | swissgirl | going alone to bad |
| 00:48.52 | swissgirl | :-)) |
| 00:49.05 | QRZ | So you didn't want to wait for me? |
| 00:49.17 | swissgirl | i thought it would take more then 15 minutes |
| 00:49.23 | swissgirl | men never keep promises |
| 00:49.34 | Dave_AU | ahahaha |
| 00:49.45 | QRZ | It took less time than I thought it would |
| 00:50.02 | swissgirl | so you're fast |
| 00:50.22 | QRZ | I like to be 'conservative' when I say how long it will be. |
| 00:50.32 | Dave_AU | he was rushing to get back to the computer swissgirl, just to talk to you :P |
| 00:50.39 | swissgirl | hehehehe |
| 00:50.53 | swissgirl | how sweet |
| 00:51.21 | QRZ | Dave_AU: Could be right! After all, it's a treat to be able to chat with a cute girl when you're over in this hell-hole! |
| 00:51.47 | QRZ | swissgirl: yeah, I hurried a little! ;-) |
| 00:51.49 | swissgirl | now i'm blushing |
| 00:52.04 | QRZ | swissgirl: Oh... sorry! |
| 00:52.19 | Dave_AU | hehehe |
| 00:53.47 | Dave_AU | bbs |
| 00:56.04 | QRZ | so... |
| 00:56.14 | *** join/#utah \me (n=jstayii@get.your.hosting.from.gv-hosting.com) |
| 00:56.31 | swissgirl | did u saw the dress? |
| 00:56.41 | QRZ | swissgirl: Shall I create an msn account? |
| 00:56.53 | swissgirl | if you want |
| 00:57.05 | QRZ | Yes. I saw it in the Victoria's Secret Page. |
| 00:58.59 | QRZ | Well, if there's no need, then I won't worry about it. Although I do have several friends that use MSN. |
| 00:59.06 | QRZ | ...maybe I will |
| 00:59.51 | swissgirl | ok |
| 00:59.56 | swissgirl | then do |
| 00:59.57 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 01:00.08 | swissgirl | how old r u |
| 01:00.30 | QRZ | 28 |
| 01:00.41 | QRZ | ...old! |
| 01:00.48 | swissgirl | not really :-) |
| 01:02.02 | QRZ | Yeah.. I guess not! |
| 01:02.20 | QRZ | ...pushing 30 though... It's getting closer! |
| 01:02.34 | swissgirl | scared? |
| 01:02.35 | swissgirl | :-) |
| 01:02.42 | swissgirl | is your biological clock working? :-) |
| 01:02.50 | swissgirl | your daddy instinct is calling? :-) |
| 01:03.25 | swissgirl | so |
| 01:03.27 | swissgirl | i leave you now |
| 01:03.54 | swissgirl | take care |
| 01:03.54 | QRZ | It's working just fine... |
| 01:04.01 | QRZ | Ok then... It was nice to meet you. |
| 01:04.05 | swissgirl | u 2 |
| 01:04.14 | QRZ | Take care. |
| 01:04.19 | QRZ | What's your MSN |
| 01:04.21 | QRZ | ? |
| 01:04.38 | swissgirl | passionata82@hotmail.com |
| 01:04.46 | QRZ | cool! |
| 01:04.49 | swissgirl | bye |
| 01:04.54 | QRZ | Maybe you'll hear from me... |
| 01:05.01 | QRZ | Ok. bye ;-) |
| 01:05.59 | QRZ | That was something else... and of all irc channels... haha... |
| 01:06.44 | bmidgley | yeah get on topic man |
| 01:06.47 | bmidgley | "utah" |
| 01:07.09 | QRZ | hehe.. perhaps you're right man... |
| 01:07.37 | Dave_AU | back. |
| 01:07.39 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166-70-238-250.ip.xmission.com) |
| 01:07.48 | Dave_AU | hi fozzmoo |
| 01:07.55 | QRZ | Dave_AU: Hey man. |
| 01:07.57 | fozzmoo | Dave_AU: Hi again. |
| 01:08.37 | Dave_AU | what's happening? |
| 01:09.57 | QRZ | swissgirl left so I think it's back to the norm |
| 01:11.04 | Dave_AU | apparently i'll be able to run linux on my xbox after all ! http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EElZluZypZpmixPJrS.php |
| 01:11.27 | QRZ | Dave_AU: What distro do you use in general? |
| 01:12.20 | Dave_AU | debian. at the moment i only have it on my xbox back in au. |
| 01:12.40 | QRZ | Ok. I'm a fan of Debian myself. |
| 01:12.59 | Dave_AU | everything else is windows boxes. but i'm not prejudice |
| 01:13.16 | QRZ | ...well, Debian and Ubuntu, although I used to be a Mandrake guy. |
| 01:13.20 | fozzmoo | But, Linux is Linux is Linux |
| 01:13.31 | QRZ | fozzmoo: True statement. |
| 01:13.36 | Dave_AU | yup. |
| 01:13.58 | QRZ | fozzmoo: If you know one, you know 'em all <--------- for the most part. |
| 01:14.01 | Supaplex|roaming | it's also Linux... |
| 01:14.08 | fozzmoo | Esp. if you've been using Linux/Unix as long as I have. :) |
| 01:14.34 | QRZ | fozzmoo: Oh? Do tell... how long? |
| 01:14.41 | fozzmoo | ~1990 |
| 01:14.43 | Supaplex|roaming | " this long " |
| 01:14.48 | Supaplex|roaming | (not to scale) |
| 01:14.53 | fozzmoo | Supaplex|roaming: heh. |
| 01:14.57 | QRZ | Supaplex|roaming: Of course! :-) |
| 01:15.13 | QRZ | fozzmoo: That's quite a while, for sure. |
| 01:15.40 | fozzmoo | Yeah, my wife says, "Why does it have to be so much of a religion for you?!" |
| 01:15.54 | QRZ | I never heard the name, "Linux" until about 1996. |
| 01:16.11 | QRZ | got started playing in 1999. |
| 01:16.14 | fozzmoo | "When you've seen all the things Linux can do, you'll be a believer too." :) |
| 01:16.38 | Dave_AU | lol. i'm still a n00b really. i use it when i have to, on a daily basis, but to be honest i dont think i've ever really relied on it as an everyday workstation. |
| 01:17.01 | fozzmoo | Dave_AU: I was like that too... until 1997 or 1998 |
| 01:17.03 | QRZ | fozzmoo: No need to do any convincing here. I've been using it exclusively now since about 2000. |
| 01:17.13 | Dave_AU | experemented, and toyed with it, then gone back to the big bad m$ |
| 01:17.17 | fozzmoo | I ran Linux on servers, but still Windows on the desktop. |
| 01:17.40 | fozzmoo | But now it's Linux through and through, except for my video editing hobby... which I'm currently still using Windows for. |
| 01:18.03 | fozzmoo | But I'm getting involved in the mlt and kdenlive projects in hopes to making kdenlive a video editor I can use. |
| 01:18.06 | Dave_AU | no solid linux entrys in that category? |
| 01:18.20 | fozzmoo | kino is a nice entry-level video editor. |
| 01:18.34 | fozzmoo | at the moment, kdenlive is probably good enough for entry level as well. |
| 01:18.37 | QRZ | I use windows as a 'compatibility layer' for work related tasks... but everything else is Linux. |
| 01:19.28 | fozzmoo | I'm actually surprised there's not more open source video editing stuff considering all the stories about Hollywood studios using Linux for this, that, and the other. |
| 01:20.21 | QRZ | fozzmoo: I think it's mostly the Linux clustering that they make use of, for rendering video, etc. |
| 01:20.25 | bmidgley | they probably cut things together using something mainstream |
| 01:21.08 | fozzmoo | Considering Hollywood has been using Unix (think: SGI) for years, they are probably using proprietary stuff that has been ported to Linux and, as QRZ mentioned, clusters for rendering and what-not. |
| 01:21.45 | Dave_AU | well, we've certainly got the discussion back on track |
| 01:22.02 | QRZ | Dave_AU: Indeed. |
| 01:23.48 | Dave_AU | so, to stay on topic (sort of) http://uavp.de/ |
| 01:24.08 | Dave_AU | i've been reading up on those things, thinking about maybe building one when i get home |
| 01:24.10 | fozzmoo | Ooooh. That's cool! |
| 01:24.18 | Supaplex|roaming | http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
| 01:24.31 | Supaplex|roaming | it's a classic :) |
| 01:25.18 | Dave_AU | fozzmoo: yeah, and that site is pretty sweet. even if it is mostly in dutch |
| 01:26.34 | fozzmoo | Supaplex|roaming: heh. |
| 01:26.41 | Dave_AU | Supaplex|roaming: lol |
| 01:27.06 | fozzmoo | Reminds me of Neal Stephenson's book/essay on the command line... |
| 01:27.42 | fozzmoo | He talks about the "Linux camp" as a bunch of hacker hippies on the side of the road trying to give away these amazing military grade tanks to people. |
| 01:28.12 | fozzmoo | and some guy walking by says something like, "But if something goes wrong with my station wagon, I can take it to the dealership and they'll fix it while I wait." |
| 01:28.47 | fozzmoo | and the hackers say, "Oh, we'll come fix your computer for free, in your house, in the middle of the night!" |
| 01:28.54 | fozzmoo | "STAY OUT OF MY HOUSE, YOU FREAK!" |
| 01:29.29 | QRZ | :-) |
| 01:29.43 | Dave_AU | i'm googleing it now. sounds halarious |
| 01:29.57 | fozzmoo | "In the beginning... was the command line" |
| 01:30.25 | Dave_AU | http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html |
| 01:30.27 | fozzmoo | http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html, if you haven't already found it |
| 01:30.31 | fozzmoo | heh. There you go. |
| 01:30.31 | Dave_AU | lol |
| 01:30.52 | fozzmoo | It's a little dated- 1999, I think... but it all pretty much still applies. |
| 01:38.55 | QRZ | well... duty calls. Take care all. |
| 01:39.23 | QRZ | Dave_AU: Have a safe trip back home. |
| 01:47.28 | Dave_AU | QRZ: cheers, you too. when that time eventually comes. |
| 01:47.39 | Dave_AU | fozzmoo: this is halarious! |
| 01:47.46 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 01:49.00 | Dave_AU | if i post a snippet onto here, will i get booted? |
| 01:49.10 | fozzmoo | no, probably not. |
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| 01:49.50 | fozzmoo | If you do (get kicked), we'll just laugh. |
| 01:50.40 | Dave_AU | Hacker with bullhorn: "Save your money! Accept one of our free tanks! It is invulnerable, and can drive across rocks and swamps at ninety miles an hour while getting a hundred miles to the gallon!" |
| 01:50.40 | Dave_AU | Prospective station wagon buyer: "I know what you say is true...but...er...I don't know how to maintain a tank!" |
| 01:50.40 | Dave_AU | Bullhorn: "You don't know how to maintain a station wagon either!" |
| 01:50.40 | Dave_AU | Buyer: "But this dealership has mechanics on staff. If something goes wrong with my station wagon, I can take a day off work, bring it here, and pay them to work on it while I sit in the waiting room for hours, listening to elevator music." |
| 01:50.41 | Dave_AU | Bullhorn: "But if you accept one of our free tanks we will send volunteers to your house to fix it for free while you sleep!" |
| 01:50.44 | Dave_AU | Buyer: "Stay away from my house, you freak!" |
| 01:50.46 | Dave_AU | Bullhorn: "But..." |
| 01:50.48 | Dave_AU | Buyer: "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?" |
| 01:51.04 | Dave_AU | yay! i'm still here! |
| 01:51.10 | fozzmoo | yeah. AS you can see, I paraphrased quite a bit. :) |
| 01:51.26 | Dave_AU | not bad from memory |
| 02:05.40 | Dave_AU | well, i'm off to get some dinner |
| 02:05.47 | Dave_AU | catchas later tonight ! |
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| 03:06.40 | Lakshmi | what do u guys think bout an hp laptop? |
| 03:07.02 | graphyx | why not. |
| 03:07.06 | graphyx | You hacking one? |
| 03:07.10 | graphyx | or buying one? |
| 03:07.21 | Lakshmi | buying |
| 03:07.25 | Lakshmi | like do u think its good bad |
| 03:07.30 | Lakshmi | better than a think pad |
| 03:07.31 | Lakshmi | etc etc |
| 03:08.28 | graphyx | no |
| 03:08.33 | graphyx | I think a thinkpad rocks. |
| 03:08.37 | graphyx | but I can't afford them. |
| 03:08.40 | graphyx | I just got a dell. |
| 03:08.44 | graphyx | 1505N |
| 03:08.50 | graphyx | linux version. |
| 03:08.53 | graphyx | ubuntu. |
| 03:10.26 | Lakshmi | mm but is an hp bad? |
| 03:10.34 | Lakshmi | like have u heard of problems with hp etc etc? |
| 03:13.30 | graphyx | not to exceed normal issues. |
| 03:13.34 | graphyx | you know |
| 03:13.39 | graphyx | not excessively |
| 03:16.05 | Lakshmi | ah |
| 03:16.18 | Lakshmi | i think thinkpads are somehow better. |
| 03:17.11 | graphyx | me too. |
| 03:18.21 | nick125 | Both my HP and my friend's have had problems within a year of owning them. |
| 03:19.15 | nick125 | I had a problem with the keyboard and screen, my friend had a problem with his ethernet and two usb ports going bad. |
| 03:19.48 | Lakshmi | whats mobile broadband? |
| 03:20.07 | nick125 | Cellular data |
| 03:20.20 | Lakshmi | explain. |
| 03:20.28 | Lakshmi | like do i want it? |
| 03:20.31 | Lakshmi | do i not want it? |
| 03:20.32 | nick125 | And, if you want wireless/cellular data, get a card. The built-in stuff is a pain because you can't upgrade it. |
| 03:20.44 | nick125 | Lakshmi: It's like getting a PC card from Sprint or Cingular. |
| 03:20.52 | nick125 | Except it's built-in. |
| 03:20.54 | nick125 | Mobile data. |
| 03:21.04 | Lakshmi | ok... sure? i think |
| 03:21.19 | Lakshmi | but i dont need it do i? |
| 03:21.28 | nick125 | Unless you really need it, don't get it. |
| 03:21.31 | mrpull- | Lakshmi: which model are you looking at? |
| 03:21.45 | mrpull- | the HP Compaq stuff has been good in my experience |
| 03:21.55 | mrpull- | the "home" HP laptops are not so good |
| 03:22.10 | nick125 | For the price you pay for an HP, you might as well spend a tad bit more and get a Thinkpad. |
| 03:22.53 | mrpull- | i like the HP business line... but would avoid anything you'd buy at circuit city / best buy / whatever |
| 03:23.06 | phikzd | my HP desktop sucks for what specs it has. |
| 03:23.06 | nick125 | And don't buy it at CompUSA either. |
| 03:23.19 | Lakshmi | mrpull: uh T- series think pads |
| 03:23.29 | Lakshmi | not sure bout the mobile broadband thing though |
| 03:23.37 | mrpull- | i've never met a thinkpad i didn't like |
| 03:23.59 | nick125 | Lakshmi: If you want to spend $60-$80 a month on wireless internet, you might be interested in the mobile broadband thing. |
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| 03:24.08 | mrpull- | my wife had a T21 and a T-fourtysomething |
| 03:24.17 | nick125 | It's basically internet that you can get anywhere you can get cell signal |
| 03:24.32 | Lakshmi | oh |
| 03:24.42 | Lakshmi | but how do i get it? |
| 03:24.49 | Lakshmi | like do i have to hook my laptop to my phone? |
| 03:24.51 | Lakshmi | or something |
| 03:24.54 | Lakshmi | like with a cable ..? |
| 03:25.00 | nick125 | Lakshmi: It's built into the laptop. |
| 03:25.07 | mrpull- | if you don't know... you might not need it |
| 03:25.37 | mrpull- | i spend a bit of time in airports and had really good luck with tethering my laptop to my 3G AT&T phone |
| 03:25.38 | nick125 | Personally, if you were going to get mobile broadband, get a regular card from whatever provider you want - least you can upgrade |
| 03:25.39 | Lakshmi | well i need wireless internet |
| 03:25.58 | Lakshmi | so will i get wireless with out the mobile broadband? |
| 03:26.19 | mrpull- | do you understand the difference between wifi and mobile internet? |
| 03:26.35 | mrpull- | wifi == 802.11g etc |
| 03:26.52 | graphyx | mobile internet == cell phone signal for internet access. |
| 03:26.55 | mrpull- | mobile internet == Sprint / AT&T / Tmobile |
| 03:28.37 | Lakshmi | sure.. i guess. |
| 03:28.40 | Lakshmi | i think. |
| 03:28.46 | Lakshmi | now i wanna get it. |
| 03:29.05 | mrpull- | it can be expensive... $50-100/month |
| 03:29.16 | mrpull- | and depending on where you live, veeerrrryyy slow |
| 03:29.23 | mrpull- | where will you use it primarily? |
| 03:29.55 | nick125 | Lakshmi: Like I said, it would be better to go to whatever provider and get an external card. That way, when the new stuff comes out, you just upgrade the card. |
| 03:30.30 | mrpull- | other than maybe 802.11n, what is in the pipeline? |
| 03:30.43 | mrpull- | the 3G stuff will be the fastest I foresee for a while |
| 03:31.02 | nick125 | mrpull-: I'm talking about with cellular data. I mean, like Rev 0 -> Rev A kind of stuff as well. |
| 03:31.35 | mrpull- | me too... when is the replacement for the 3G (UMTS / HSPDA / etc) coming? |
| 03:31.59 | nick125 | I know Sprint is working on rolling out Wimax. |
| 03:33.04 | nick125 | The replacement for HSDPA is HSUPA (HSDPA w/ higher upload) |
| 03:33.06 | mrpull- | that's right... I was thinking wimax and 802.11n where the same thing |
| 03:33.07 | Lakshmi | uhh but my provider is retaded |
| 03:33.11 | Lakshmi | i have like metro pcs. |
| 03:33.17 | Lakshmi | they dont have cards i dont think |
| 03:33.28 | nick125 | Lakshmi: For the data card, you don't have to go with the same provider.. |
| 03:33.39 | Lakshmi | oh cool. |
| 03:52.10 | fozzmoo | I've got Sprint and EVDO |
| 03:52.21 | fozzmoo | I can use my Treo as a modem for my laptop. |
| 03:52.28 | fozzmoo | The speeds are pretty decent. |
| 03:52.38 | fozzmoo | Like 256k DSL or better. |
| 03:56.30 | Lakshmi | hey fozzmoo !!1 |
| 03:57.02 | graphyx | fozzmoo: the blackberries connected to a laptop only give you 128kbps. |
| 03:57.14 | graphyx | that is about 2.5 x dial up. |
| 03:57.26 | fozzmoo | My wife has a Pearl. I don't like it. |
| 03:57.41 | fozzmoo | She likes it because it's all seamless connected to her work's Exchange server. |
| 03:57.54 | graphyx | yeah, that is what they use it for my workplace as well. |
| 03:58.06 | graphyx | electronic leash. |
| 03:58.06 | fozzmoo | The only thing I like about it is the little wheely thing. |
| 03:58.17 | fozzmoo | Otherwise, I prefer my Treo. |
| 03:58.26 | graphyx | even if you are in a meeting you can be hit up for important things and have to respond to emails. |
| 03:58.48 | graphyx | I am not so sure that I would want to get one myself. |
| 03:59.00 | graphyx | but if they give you one you don't have too much of a choice. |
| 03:59.23 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 04:01.49 | bmidgley | fozzmoo I get about 400kbps through a verizon treo 700p |
| 04:02.00 | fozzmoo | Yeah. that's about right. |
| 04:02.07 | fozzmoo | But you pay more for your bandwidth than I do for mine. :) |
| 04:02.18 | fozzmoo | Which is sad. I'd rather have Verizon than Sprint. |
| 04:02.23 | fozzmoo | Their service is better. |
| 04:02.53 | bmidgley | I need a gsm phone for travel |
| 04:02.59 | bmidgley | other than that verizon is ok |
| 04:03.20 | bmidgley | I had a simple flip phone that got 600kbps dialup |
| 04:03.44 | bmidgley | it was hitting the bluetooth ceiling or it might have been faster |
| 04:05.40 | bmidgley | I tried sprint but none of their phones could do bluetooth dialup reliably at the time |
| 04:06.12 | fozzmoo | The Treo 650p did, but it doesn't do EVDO |
| 04:06.24 | fozzmoo | The 700p won't unless you purchase some bluetooth DUN package from Sprint. |
| 04:06.30 | fozzmoo | I can use my 700p over a USB cable. |
| 04:06.32 | fozzmoo | It works fine. |
| 04:21.40 | tensai | I hate trying to clean up Windows computers. it's such a pointless task. they're just going to get dirty again. |
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| 04:22.56 | graphyx | tensai set them up so that they reimage every night |
| 04:23.02 | graphyx | that will take care of them. |
| 04:23.34 | tensai | corporate machines, sure. doesn't work for fixing a friend's box that's been infested by teenagers |
| 04:23.53 | fozzmoo | Sure it does. :) |
| 04:24.14 | graphyx | set it up as a vmware session on top of linux |
| 04:24.22 | graphyx | and set up ssh so that you can log in remotely. |
| 04:24.31 | tensai | I guess the computer would work better, in the long run |
| 04:24.45 | tensai | and I suppose the biggest drawback is that the teenager would use it less |
| 04:24.50 | graphyx | and then if they screw it up you can log in remotely and overwrite the windows session with the starting one. |
| 04:25.15 | tensai | hmm. I just learned about vmware checkpoints. those could come in really handy. |
| 04:25.43 | tensai | checkpoints, snapshots. one of those two names I think |
| 04:43.15 | fozzmoo | The biggest danger, I think, to having teenagers have access to a computer is IM. |
| 04:43.23 | fozzmoo | They chat with their friends... |
| 04:43.43 | fozzmoo | and their friends send them stuff, "Check out this hilarious program so-and-so sent me!" |
| 04:44.15 | fozzmoo | They click, it runs some program that shows an animation of something stupid like a snowman getting its head blown off with a shotgun. har har har. |
| 04:44.30 | fozzmoo | and now, you've got a nice trojan or something installed. |
| 04:46.23 | nick125 | Haha, so true. |
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| 08:47.07 | fozzmoo | :q! |
| 08:47.13 | fozzmoo | :q! |
| 08:47.23 | fozzmoo | Uh... ignore me. :) |
| 09:37.59 | nick125 | Anyone here use Call Block on their Treo? |
| 09:38.48 | nick125 | Some people don't have enough common sense to not call people at 3:30am in the morning regarding things that would be....erm...better handled during hte day |
| 11:01.39 | phikzd | u R owned at 3:30 |
| 11:01.44 | phikzd | never really had that problem sir |
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| 14:29.27 | Tene | nick125: no, never had a need for it. what's wrong with your friend? |
| 14:29.41 | klys | wow it was so long ago |
| 14:30.48 | nick125 | Tene: He wanted me to send him something I think |
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| 17:38.29 | harleypig | anyone know of a decent hardware lister for win32? |
| 17:40.09 | nick125 | Maybe not in the most ethical way, but, hey. |
| 17:42.02 | harleypig | Grey in the service of White is White. :> |
| 17:45.53 | nick125 | The hackers used an exploit in the site's "OneAdmin" suite to run a remote php script, I used the same exploit to run a system("rm -rf ../_files/photogallery/*ebay*") php file. |
| 17:46.56 | nick125 | And a system("rm -rf ../_files/photogallery/*paypal*") php file too. |
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| 20:16.28 | Dave_AU | afternoon all |
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