| 00:07.29 | nick125_treo | I think I finally got HP to facilitate the unit....took long enough |
| 00:10.54 | graphyx | hello utah |
| 00:10.57 | graphyx | anyane around? |
| 00:11.41 | herlo | graphyx: I'm here |
| 00:11.46 | beandog | just us coders |
| 00:11.46 | graphyx | hey, |
| 00:11.51 | graphyx | I am in Ohio |
| 00:11.55 | graphyx | lucky me |
| 00:12.07 | graphyx | 2 of the 6 in our group are still in Chicago |
| 00:12.21 | graphyx | the weather put up some serious delays. |
| 00:12.47 | herlo | graphyx: why are you in Ohio? |
| 00:13.15 | graphyx | to visit lockheed martin |
| 00:13.33 | herlo | graphyx: isn't Lockheed in NorCal? |
| 00:14.12 | graphyx | LM is a multi location group |
| 00:14.35 | herlo | makes sense |
| 00:14.41 | graphyx | I bet |
| 00:14.53 | herlo | I just know they have one in Antelope Valley, Ca |
| 00:15.11 | herlo | I guess that's technically SoCal |
| 00:15.17 | graphyx | sure |
| 00:15.23 | herlo | ~lart graphyx |
| 00:15.23 | ibot | flings poo at graphyx |
| 00:15.26 | graphyx | we are working on a project with them |
| 00:15.35 | herlo | graphyx: I gathered |
| 00:15.41 | graphyx | good. |
| 00:15.51 | graphyx | So once things calm down |
| 00:16.01 | graphyx | I am going to host a game night at my place. |
| 00:16.12 | herlo | where? |
| 00:16.16 | beandog | like Dungeons and Dragons? |
| 00:16.28 | graphyx | like carcassonne, |
| 00:16.30 | graphyx | settlers |
| 00:16.37 | herlo | beandog: D&D is for teenagers and guys who can't get dates. |
| 00:16.40 | graphyx | perhaps bang (if someone brings it) |
| 00:16.40 | herlo | beandog: like you. |
| 00:16.45 | beandog | herlo: well one out of two aint bad. |
| 00:16.52 | beandog | :) |
| 00:16.56 | beandog | Id love to play some AD&D |
| 00:17.01 | herlo | beandog: its okay. I don't get many dates |
| 00:17.01 | beandog | soooo much fun |
| 00:17.09 | herlo | beandog: lets go ride bikes! |
| 00:17.13 | beandog | I dont get any! |
| 00:17.27 | beandog | bikes? |
| 00:17.35 | beandog | how about skating |
| 00:17.41 | herlo | beandog: how many ADD kids does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
| 00:17.50 | beandog | how many? |
| 00:17.51 | herlo | beandog: hey! lets go ride bikes! |
| 00:17.58 | beandog | lol |
| 00:18.02 | beandog | that's great :D |
| 00:18.19 | herlo | beandog: you said Id love to play some AD&D - so it made me think of that joke |
| 00:18.21 | beandog | ooh, something shiny! |
| 00:18.25 | herlo | exactly |
| 00:18.37 | herlo | ~whip beandog |
| 00:18.38 | ibot | ACTION takes beandog outside to be thoroughly whipped by herlo |
| 00:18.46 | beandog | bikes! |
| 00:18.55 | herlo | on my bike |
| 00:18.58 | graphyx | I was thinking of perhaps tigris and eupharates |
| 00:19.09 | herlo | graphyx: or euphrates and tigris |
| 00:19.11 | graphyx | we will see. |
| 00:19.25 | graphyx | herlo: you get some sugar tonight did you? |
| 00:19.36 | beandog | I think hes always like that |
| 00:19.37 | herlo | graphyx: what? I never get sugar |
| 00:19.44 | beandog | herlo is just high on life. |
| 00:19.52 | herlo | my ADHD wouldn't do well with that |
| 00:20.06 | graphyx | herlo: never get sugar more that once an hour. |
| 00:20.07 | herlo | caffeine calms me |
| 00:20.16 | graphyx | lol |
| 00:21.20 | beandog | H? |
| 00:22.04 | graphyx | is that two steps worse than K? |
| 00:22.21 | herlo | haha, when do we go to the circus? |
| 00:23.12 | beandog | ah |
| 00:23.14 | graphyx | K is a potent vetrenarian steroid that people get addicted to. |
| 00:23.17 | beandog | hyper-attentivenesss. |
| 00:23.31 | herlo | wait, that's special K |
| 00:23.47 | beandog | I only take the consonant vitamins. |
| 00:24.28 | herlo | No E? |
| 00:24.38 | herlo | what about vitamin U? |
| 00:25.17 | beandog | heh |
| 00:25.23 | beandog | the vowels get all the women |
| 00:26.28 | herlo | like Vitamin O? |
| 00:26.41 | herlo | lol |
| 01:06.33 | Supaplex | isn't vitamin K related to blood clotting? |
| 01:30.32 | herlo | Supaplex: yeah, it is IIRC |
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| 01:45.31 | Dave_AU_Away | evening all |
| 02:00.08 | Tene | hi |
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| 03:21.36 | atoponce | who's gotten the intel 4965agn wifi chipset working in debian? |
| 03:23.29 | bonez41 | atoponce: what is the 4965agn wifi chipset? |
| 03:23.42 | Supaplex | ipw4965 |
| 03:23.55 | Supaplex | atoponce: catch. |
| 03:24.22 | atoponce | Supaplex: yeah. i've been digging through those tuts all day long |
| 03:26.38 | Supaplex | you might have better luck asking on the debian-users mailing list, seeing as how new it is. |
| 03:27.01 | atoponce | yeah. probably |
| 03:35.15 | nick125 | atoponce: I know the drivers exist for it |
| 03:35.30 | atoponce | yeah. i'm just getting an error during make |
| 03:35.39 | nick125 | I haven't tried it though, as I don't have an ipw4965agn card |
| 03:35.41 | nick125 | What kind of error? |
| 03:35.52 | atoponce | hold on. i'll pm it to you |
| 03:42.25 | Supaplex | why noy use http://rafb.net/paste ? |
| 03:42.35 | Supaplex | s/noy/not/ |
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| 03:52.24 | atoponce | http://www.pastebin.ca/665206 |
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| 04:54.05 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 04:54.14 | fozzmoo | Hi levi. |
| 04:54.30 | Dave_AU | hi |
| 04:55.04 | Supaplex | ~lart vendors of flawed/busticated hardware design |
| 04:55.04 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after vendors of flawed/busticated hardware design's head |
| 04:55.11 | Supaplex | heck yeah |
| 04:55.12 | fozzmoo | tiwula: How do you like that utahbroadband? |
| 04:56.03 | tiwula | generally it is good, but they have had periods of outage for a variety of reasons |
| 04:56.18 | fozzmoo | Pretty typical wireless ISP, sounds like. |
| 04:56.29 | fozzmoo | tiwula: Where are you located? |
| 04:56.41 | tiwula | Alpine |
| 04:56.55 | tiwula | DSL is now an option, so I'm considering making the switch |
| 04:57.01 | fozzmoo | Cool! |
| 04:57.10 | fozzmoo | What kind of bandwidth do you have via the wireless? |
| 04:57.22 | Supaplex | alpine has telephones now? |
| 04:57.27 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: hee hee. |
| 04:57.42 | herlo | tiwula: most of Alpin has comcast too, my Parents live there and have had comcast for sometime |
| 04:57.56 | fozzmoo | Yeah, but that would be comcastigation. |
| 04:58.44 | Supaplex | sounds crumcastic |
| 04:59.06 | levi | I didn't think my Comcast service was too bad. |
| 04:59.21 | fozzmoo | levi: When comcast service is good, it's great. |
| 04:59.28 | tiwula | I tried for Comcast but they don't service my home |
| 04:59.32 | fozzmoo | And when it's not, it's hard to convince anyone that works for Comcast of the fact. |
| 05:00.00 | Supaplex | I hate it when they decide 2am is the time to turn everything off |
| 05:00.31 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: What are they thinking?! Don't they know most people are doing stuff on the Internet at 2a.m.?! |
| 05:02.23 | tensai | from 2am to 5am we see about 80% reduction in Internet traffic |
| 05:02.42 | Supaplex | or 100% when comcast is involved. ;) |
| 05:03.01 | Supaplex | yea. I'm happy with DSL. =) |
| 05:03.03 | tiwula | Per cnet bandwidth meter I'm getting 1.2mbps |
| 05:03.16 | fozzmoo | Not bad. |
| 05:03.17 | tensai | heh. I meant in normal circumstances. that's why it's better to drop the routers at 2am than 2pm. |
| 05:03.34 | fozzmoo | Wow.l I didn't know you could get a 500GB ATA hard drive! |
| 05:03.53 | Supaplex | or like ikano, drop it at 5:30pm for 2 hours. |
| 05:03.55 | fozzmoo | For some reason, I thought 320G was as big as you could get with IDE. |
| 05:04.16 | tensai | fozzmoo: I've seen 750GB. like you I only recently discovered these large hard drives. |
| 05:04.24 | Supaplex | they have 1TB drives to |
| 05:04.33 | tensai | went to buy a new one and the smallest I could find was 160GB |
| 05:04.34 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: Aren't they SATA? |
| 05:05.01 | tensai | just about every consumer-oriented drive is SATA any more |
| 05:05.15 | fozzmoo | Normally I woudln't care about ATA/IDE drives, but I'm going to be getting a Mediagate appliance soon... |
| 05:05.23 | fozzmoo | and it has an IDE/ATA interface inside for an internal drive. |
| 05:05.28 | Supaplex | I know they have SATA 1TB models. not sure about PATA. |
| 05:05.41 | fozzmoo | So, I'm happy I can get a IDE/ATA/PATA 500G drive. |
| 05:05.43 | Supaplex | sent $500 my way, and I'll start looking... :P |
| 05:05.47 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 05:07.26 | tensai | hey, that mediagate thing looks pretty cool |
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| 06:07.18 | fozzmoo | tensai: My bro-in-law got one. It rocks. |
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| 09:33.39 | kmini | you know what 3am means? it's tomorrow. |
| 09:36.05 | Supaplex | it means it's been tomorrow since 3 hours ago |
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| 13:28.49 | ^Migs^ | https://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/13614/1/www.palmcoastd.com/ows-img/glennbeck/products/ecomid.jpg |
| 13:57.16 | tensai | fozzmoo: which model are you looking at? |
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| 14:21.44 | herlo | http://digg.com/tech_news/Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not - Digg it. |
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| 14:33.38 | goozbach | http://www.treychair.com/index.asp |
| 14:33.42 | goozbach | freaking cool chair |
| 14:38.41 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 14:38.47 | ^Migs^ | it detaches. That's it. |
| 14:39.24 | ^Migs^ | it's more like someone forgot to screw in the seat and then thought "hey, we can charge THREE TIMES AS MUCH for this!" |
| 14:40.45 | ^Migs^ | that's going in my "Funny" bookmarks |
| 14:43.39 | fozzmoo | It's kinda cool that the seat by itself is a little rocker. |
| 14:43.52 | fozzmoo | But, yeah, probably not worth the cost for this "feature" |
| 14:45.18 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 14:45.19 | ^Migs^ | http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2086/screenshottf7.png |
| 14:45.23 | ^Migs^ | That's obviously not "one chair" |
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| 14:48.51 | ^Migs^ | 3 of the 5 people in this picture aren't even using the product: http://www.treychair.com/assets/gallery/35TR4890.jpg |
| 14:50.33 | fozzmoo | My son is watching this... weird show... on NIck right now. |
| 14:50.41 | fozzmoo | Yo Gabba Gabba. |
| 14:51.04 | fozzmoo | If I didn't know better, I'd say it was made in Japan. |
| 14:52.22 | ^Migs^ | never heard of that one |
| 14:55.30 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggrOcBWqHiU |
| 14:58.29 | ^Migs^ | wtf? |
| 15:00.22 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYsFo6iJFGs&NR=1 |
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| 15:11.07 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6gT-J8kfpo |
| 15:11.17 | ^Migs^ | Biz Markie |
| 15:11.57 | ^Migs^ | beatboxing. A skill every preschooler needs to learn. |
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| 15:41.28 | jbellis | I'm running svn behind apache, and I'm having trouble with a post-commit hook. It involves sshing to another machine; the ssh works fine when I "su - wwwrun" manually (I checked, this is indeed the user post-commit runs as), but fails inside the post-commit. How can I troubleshoot this? |
| 15:43.06 | Jayce^ | some kind of ENV difference? |
| 15:43.26 | Tene | git, of course! |
| 15:43.32 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 15:43.32 | jbellis | heh |
| 15:44.29 | Tene | jbellis: do you have any other info on the failure? |
| 15:44.52 | jbellis | Jayce^: probably -- i was hoping someone knew some svn voodoo to help track it down :) |
| 15:45.01 | jbellis | Tene: nope, nothing gets logged as far as i can tell |
| 15:45.26 | Tene | jbellis: could you add some manual logging to the hook? |
| 15:45.30 | fozzmoo | jbellis: Add a -v to the ssh command. |
| 15:45.39 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, was just typing that :) |
| 15:45.56 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You snooze, you don't get to say it first. :) |
| 15:47.29 | jbellis | i don't think -v will magically cause it to get logged, so i'm not sure how that would help |
| 15:47.55 | Jayce^ | should give you a trace, if it's run |
| 15:48.08 | Tene | Jayce^: output from running the hook isn't logged anywhere. |
| 15:48.41 | Tene | jbellis: ssh -v blablabla &>/tmp/hereisalog |
| 15:48.43 | Tene | perhaps |
| 15:48.44 | Tene | ? |
| 15:48.51 | jbellis | worth a try |
| 15:52.16 | jbellis | ran it with 2>&1 > /tmp/ssh-out and got... an empty file :) |
| 15:52.47 | Tene | the file was created, though. that's something. |
| 15:53.44 | jbellis | is there a "clear my env" command in bash? |
| 15:56.24 | jbellis | "env -" is close enough perhaps |
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| 17:36.34 | findlay-1 | so I have this hard drive that if it's plugged into one computer causes that computer to power off within a second or two of turning it on |
| 17:36.48 | ^Migs^ | um, don't use that hard drive |
| 17:36.54 | findlay-1 | however, if I plug the same (SATA) hard drive into another computer it boots up just fine |
| 17:37.08 | findlay-1 | why does it do that? |
| 17:37.11 | ^Migs^ | is it ONLY that hard drive, or any hard drive? |
| 17:37.18 | findlay-1 | ONLY |
| 17:37.31 | findlay-1 | well, I haven't had a chance to try another yet |
| 17:37.33 | ^Migs^ | ONLY?!?! |
| 17:37.44 | ^Migs^ | that would be pretty wacky if it was only that one |
| 17:37.53 | ^Migs^ | More than likely there's some problem with the SATA controller |
| 17:37.58 | findlay-1 | yeah, but it works fine in the other computer |
| 17:37.59 | ^Migs^ | that would be my uneducated and noob guess, at least |
| 17:38.19 | findlay-1 | for some reason the gods want to punish me with strange hardware errors |
| 17:38.26 | ^Migs^ | tell me about it |
| 17:38.31 | ^Migs^ | I've lost so many hard drives this past year |
| 17:38.41 | beandog | findlay-1: I bet I know what it is |
| 17:38.51 | beandog | findlay-1: see if the sata drive is SATA-I or SATA-II |
| 17:38.51 | ^Migs^ | my PC here was just recently making noises like a growling cheetah |
| 17:38.59 | beandog | findlay-1: and then see which ones the motherboard supports |
| 17:39.22 | findlay-1 | beandog: but this is a recent development |
| 17:39.37 | beandog | could still be that. |
| 17:39.46 | beandog | I had an SATA-II working for me, for a while |
| 17:39.50 | beandog | on an SATA-I connector |
| 17:39.54 | findlay-1 | hm |
| 17:39.55 | beandog | until things started segfaulting. |
| 17:39.58 | beandog | :) |
| 17:39.59 | findlay-1 | I could try that |
| 17:40.07 | findlay-1 | but this is a power error |
| 17:40.16 | beandog | findlay-1: right, thats the same thing that was happening to me. |
| 17:40.21 | ^Migs^ | yeah, why would that affect the power? |
| 17:40.26 | beandog | Dunno |
| 17:40.33 | beandog | I could plug in one drive, but if I added two, it wouldnt boot. |
| 17:40.36 | findlay-1 | beandog: well I do get lots of segfaults and bzip2 errors |
| 17:40.40 | ^Migs^ | Computers are like some magical mystery machine. NO ONE knows how they work! |
| 17:41.19 | findlay-1 | beandog: well, I don't remember for sure about the SATA. I don't have computer A with me, but I do have hard drive A |
| 17:42.36 | fozzmoo | Riverton City-- |
| 17:43.41 | findlay-1 | "Caution. Product warranty is void if any seal or label is removed, or if the drive experiences shock in excess of 350 Gs." |
| 17:43.46 | findlay-1 | 350 Gs |
| 17:44.07 | findlay-1 | what movie is that from? |
| 17:44.10 | fozzmoo | 350Gs?! |
| 17:44.42 | findlay-1 | ~calculate 9.8*350 |
| 17:44.48 | findlay-1 | ~eval 9.8*350 |
| 17:45.05 | findlay-1 | ~convolute 9.8*350 |
| 17:45.06 | ibot | findlay-1 adds several layers of useless code in order to confuse 9.8*350 |
| 17:45.31 | findlay-1 | ~convolve 9.8*350 |
| 17:46.12 | fozzmoo | i.e. don't shoot your drive out of a black powder canon. |
| 17:47.25 | findlay-1 | assuming a mass of 1 Kg, |
| 17:47.36 | findlay-1 | that's 3430 N |
| 17:47.47 | Supaplex | yea, uh I'll try to remember that. ;) |
| 17:47.55 | findlay-1 | wait, no I have that wrong |
| 17:48.27 | Supaplex | 3430 N takes a lot of figs. some snack you got there. |
| 17:48.43 | findlay-1 | no, I think that's right |
| 17:49.03 | findlay-1 | and also 3430 m/s^2 of acceleration |
| 17:49.47 | findlay-1 | yeah, I bought a case this morning |
| 17:49.56 | findlay-1 | I just have to remember to keep it away from my hard drive |
| 17:51.19 | findlay-1 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057193/ |
| 17:53.44 | beandog | ah great movie |
| 17:54.05 | findlay-1 | "three hundred and fifty G's" :) |
| 17:59.53 | findlay-1 | beandog: maybe the PSU can't deliver enough amps? |
| 18:00.01 | beandog | I doubt it |
| 18:00.09 | findlay-1 | but that would be odd for a 400 W PSU with nothing attached |
| 18:00.10 | beandog | I really am betting on the SATA I/II stuff. |
| 18:00.23 | beandog | just find out your mobo specs, and hdd specs |
| 18:00.31 | findlay-1 | well, I can't find anything definite in the product manual on the drive |
| 18:00.59 | beandog | just google the model # |
| 18:01.04 | findlay-1 | I did |
| 18:01.08 | findlay-1 | hm |
| 18:01.23 | beandog | what is it? |
| 18:01.51 | findlay-1 | seagate ST3120813AS |
| 18:04.00 | beandog | yah, its SATA-II |
| 18:04.12 | findlay-1 | ok |
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| 18:05.54 | findlay-1 | but why isn't it backwards compatible? |
| 18:06.01 | beandog | should be |
| 18:06.06 | beandog | but the reality is, it doesn't work. |
| 18:06.07 | beandog | :( |
| 18:06.14 | findlay-1 | yeah |
| 18:06.53 | findlay-1 | that's what I get for not reading the specs before buying I guess |
| 18:07.47 | beandog | well you could do what I did. |
| 18:07.55 | beandog | Buy an SATA II pci card. |
| 18:08.11 | findlay-1 | how much? |
| 18:08.17 | findlay-1 | linux? |
| 18:08.28 | beandog | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102061 |
| 18:08.35 | beandog | Its just another SATA driver in the kernel |
| 18:08.48 | beandog | Promise TX2 support or something |
| 18:08.57 | beandog | That one is expensive on newegg, I got mine for ~$25 I think. |
| 18:17.06 | findlay-1 | I think this is my MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138269 |
| 18:19.09 | findlay-1 | but this says it can do SATA II http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=GEFORCE+6100-M9 |
| 18:19.55 | beandog | is biostar any good? |
| 18:19.58 | beandog | Ive never used em |
| 18:20.14 | findlay-1 | it was rated good on newegg |
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| 18:31.45 | findlay-1 | thanks for the input beandog |
| 18:32.25 | beandog | yahp |
| 18:37.19 | ^Migs^ | wow, this is weird. An old, old friend from high school who's a new teacher in our district just emailed me for help, not realizing that our portalhelp email goes to me |
| 18:37.23 | ^Migs^ | I should totally mess with him |
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| 18:40.43 | Tene | hehe |
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| 18:44.00 | ^Migs^ | "The problem is that sometimes the negative ions build up at one end of the cable. You can resolve this by periodically unplugging the cables and shaking them thoroughly, then turning the ends around, and plugging them back in. This will cause the negative ions to shift toward the other end of the cable." |
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| 18:53.02 | harleypig | Call him by his high school nickname ... that always throws people for a loop |
| 18:55.10 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: hehe. nice |
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| 19:18.30 | ^Migs^ | is it even remotely possible to use OpenOffice at the command line to convert a DOC to SXW to PDF? |
| 19:21.32 | Supaplex | depends on how you intrepret 'remotely'. non-interactivly? I have no idea. |
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| 19:24.33 | ^Migs^ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dratz/1045336659 |
| 19:53.01 | ^Migs^ | "A bipolar bear gets twice the penguins!" |
| 20:15.28 | Supaplex | meh |
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| 20:24.23 | Tene | migs: penguins are only at one pole. |
| 20:25.47 | tensai | and south africa |
| 20:26.20 | ^Migs^ | and on a mysterious island in the South Pacific |
| 20:26.21 | Jayce^ | and south america.. |
| 20:27.10 | ^Migs^ | no wait, that's polar bears, not penguins |
| 20:29.40 | tensai | polar bears are only at the north pole. thus they never meet. |
| 20:30.50 | tensai | I've heard that polar bears go on holiday to tierra del fuego and dine at extravagant penguin restaraunts though |
| 20:31.51 | ^Migs^ | not a Lost fan, I take it |
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| 20:42.19 | ^Migs^ | FEE-NIX |
| 20:42.32 | ^Migs^ | has anyone ever read that old book David and the Phoenix? |
| 20:43.14 | fozzmoo | Man the Heroes S1 DVD box is gonna be expensive. |
| 20:43.31 | ^Migs^ | why? |
| 20:43.52 | fozzmoo | I guess it's less than Star Trek TNG boxes ever were. |
| 20:43.54 | fozzmoo | Or X-Files. |
| 20:44.05 | fozzmoo | I guess it's really not that bad. $39 from Amazon. |
| 20:44.09 | ^Migs^ | my friend found the complete X-Files series for about $70 |
| 20:44.19 | fozzmoo | Wow. |
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| 20:46.29 | Tene | fozzmoo: I just made my own DVD. ;) |
| 20:46.38 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:46.50 | fozzmoo | Tene The Pirate |
| 20:46.52 | fozzmoo | Argh |
| 20:48.24 | {phoenyx} | supposedly they'll have a lot of deleted scenes and commentary that wasn't available online or on tv |
| 20:49.22 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 20:50.16 | tensai | you know, the japanese translations in Heroes are excellent |
| 20:53.33 | fozzmoo | They have to be- with so much airtime devoted to it. |
| 20:53.52 | fozzmoo | I've never seen a show on prime-time with so many subtitles |
| 20:54.05 | fozzmoo | I'm surprised NBC went along with it. |
| 20:54.23 | fozzmoo | I can see some studio exec saying, "Oh no! People are gonna see that and just flip to another channel!" |
| 20:54.52 | fozzmoo | Because, studio execs know... people watching TV are idiots. |
| 20:55.31 | {phoenyx} | that's the principle driving most reality tv |
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| 21:00.37 | findlay-w | I hate TV |
| 21:00.43 | findlay-w | I loathe it |
| 21:01.39 | findlay-w | MASH is about the only TV show I'll admit to being good |
| 21:02.24 | ^Migs^ | and I'm the opposite. I think MASH is about the worst TV show ever. What do you find good about it, so I can ridicule it? |
| 21:02.44 | findlay-w | commercials emit harmful radiation that I can feel poisioning my mind |
| 21:03.06 | findlay-w | hm, mainly I like it because it's not afraid to be serious or really moving |
| 21:03.23 | ^Migs^ | no, people feel cultured when they're listening to someone speak in another language and there's subtitles to help them understand |
| 21:03.34 | findlay-w | ha |
| 21:03.42 | ^Migs^ | makes them feel smart |
| 21:04.07 | ^Migs^ | <findlay-w> hm, mainly I like it because it's not afraid to be serious or really moving <--- fair enough |
| 21:04.45 | findlay-w | ^Migs^: I guess you were prepared to criticize it's 'comedy' aspect |
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| 21:04.47 | findlay-w | :) |
| 21:05.10 | bonez39 | I have a security question...about email verification at login... |
| 21:05.29 | findlay-w | I prefer TV to be theatrical to whatever this reality stuff is |
| 21:05.53 | bonez39 | I log in to a site where patient data is exchanged...where I submit information and email and get said information or responses back . it's all protected per HIPAA laws and regulations... |
| 21:06.15 | ^Migs^ | I agree entirely |
| 21:06.26 | ^Migs^ | with bonez, not with findlay |
| 21:06.30 | bonez39 | the problem with this login point, is that I have been forwarding my email from said system...to my gmail account...they alowed it... |
| 21:06.40 | ^Migs^ | :) |
| 21:06.43 | findlay-w | ^Migs^: what? You're not hip?! :-) |
| 21:06.45 | ^Migs^ | reality stuff has gotten really old, really fast |
| 21:06.47 | bonez39 | now though, they ripped out the forwarding feature, meaning i now have to log in to their site and check email there.. |
| 21:07.06 | ^Migs^ | the only reality shows I've ever liked SOMEWHAT were Dog the Bounty Hunter and Viva La Bam |
| 21:07.17 | ^Migs^ | and I watched those for a couple weeks before getting bored |
| 21:07.24 | bonez39 | the problem boils down to my not remembering my password on th site....and the tech support guy is already gone for the day. |
| 21:08.14 | ^Migs^ | my wife is always, constantly watching reality shows |
| 21:08.36 | bonez39 | what is this process called? is it Email Verification? or some other term? I want to raise a few arguments ... with the entity with which I interact...about how insane it is to require a tech person to reset my password, when it could just as easily and more cheaply be done by a system that has enough checks and balances to assure security.. |
| 21:08.38 | findlay-w | bonez39: can't you have it reset your password? |
| 21:08.40 | ^Migs^ | like crime shows, law shows, housekeeping shows... |
| 21:09.10 | bonez39 | findlay-w: the joke is .. it has a button Forget your Password??? I click it and guess where it sends my new temporary password? to the account which I can not open... |
| 21:09.22 | bonez39 | cause i don't remember the password.... |
| 21:09.22 | findlay-w | that's dumb |
| 21:09.36 | findlay-w | pretty well thought-through, that one :) |
| 21:10.02 | bonez39 | it's like the wife asking for 2 or 10 or 20 things all at once...and all are vitally important..it's easier to just disappear and go golfing or fishing..and worry about it later |
| 21:10.30 | bonez39 | findlay-w: what's dumb is that it requires a human being to be there to reset the password....just a really stupid sort of system |
| 21:10.45 | findlay-w | yeah |
| 21:10.45 | bonez39 | in my humblest of opinions |
| 21:11.02 | bonez39 | ultra paranoid... |
| 21:11.29 | bonez39 | I can see a system that allows three tries..to get the password right..but this one has no hint options...no alternate email...nothing |
| 21:11.40 | bonez39 | it's incestuous...... |
| 21:12.16 | bonez39 | findlay-w: any ideas? |
| 21:18.35 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 21:18.42 | ^Migs^ | in what way, shape, or form, is that incestuous? |
| 21:20.15 | Supaplex | oh nice. I'm dry on ink. bah. |
| 21:22.26 | bonez39 | ^Migs^: it feeds on itself....it's self consuming...not connected outside of itself.... |
| 21:22.50 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 21:22.58 | ^Migs^ | I...guess that's...incestuous...in a sense |
| 21:30.11 | bonez39 | ^Migs^: that's EXACTLY the sense I meant the comment in |
| 21:30.33 | bonez39 | but none of this helps me in presenting a better alternative to these clowns... |
| 21:31.00 | ^Migs^ | no "Forgot your password?" |
| 21:31.06 | ^Migs^ | oh nm |
| 21:31.09 | ^Migs^ | missed that part |
| 21:31.13 | bonez39 | what other sort of verification procss would work better...and be 'unattended'....i.e, handld by the system instead of requiring someone's ass in a chair and phone on their ear? |
| 21:33.44 | Supaplex | that's too kind. put the chair on their ear, and the phone up their ... |
| 21:35.25 | ^Migs^ | you know, sometimes it REALLY sucks when you're the only person on a development team |
| 21:35.29 | ^Migs^ | you can't blame anyone else when stuff goes wrong |
| 21:35.57 | ^Migs^ | I can't tell anyone "Here, do this for me." |
| 21:36.06 | ^Migs^ | work completely halts whenever I take a vacation. |
| 21:36.28 | findlay-w | ^Migs^: yup :) |
| 21:36.30 | findlay-w | I know |
| 21:36.53 | findlay-w | but I've never worked in any other conditions |
| 21:37.06 | findlay-w | I think people would be violent about my 2 space tabs |
| 21:37.29 | bonez39 | Supaplex: Oh, I love that idea better |
| 21:37.37 | findlay-w | and that I'm careless about which way I load the TP |
| 21:38.09 | bonez39 | ^Migs^: that's the problem with my dilemma too, if Mr. web login verification dude gets sick or goes on vacation, we users are screwed until his return |
| 21:48.22 | ^Migs^ | we tried to hire a guy to help with the development, but he didn't work out |
| 21:48.31 | ^Migs^ | that's "new guy" next to me, but he's found other ways to fulfill duties around here |
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| 22:06.13 | maquis | curses |
| 22:06.42 | maquis | if i have a bunch of buffers open, and i hit :q, it doesn't mean i want to close them all! |
| 22:07.01 | maquis | i meant :bw |
| 22:07.12 | macnewbold | yeah, it's a bug in vim |
| 22:07.15 | macnewbold | emacs doesn't do that |
| 22:07.23 | macnewbold | ;-) |
| 22:07.31 | maquis | ~lart macnewbold |
| 22:07.31 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets macnewbold feel it |
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| 22:12.41 | maquis | moo |
| 22:15.11 | fozzmoo | maquis: Moo. |
| 22:15.17 | maquis | moo |
| 22:15.20 | fozzmoo | maquis: It's so nice to moo you. |
| 22:15.24 | maquis | :) |
| 22:15.27 | fozzmoo | maquis: Long time, no moo. |
| 22:15.40 | maquis | moo |
| 22:19.23 | Tene | http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/08/thank_you_abiword.html |
| 22:22.38 | fozzmoo | Here's a question: Why is it that when you do a print "something"; in Perl and you neglect the newline character (as I just did) that it doesn't show up in the termina? |
| 22:22.50 | fozzmoo | s/termina/terminal/ |
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| 22:30.22 | nick125 | fozzmoo: I'm just guessing, I couldn't tell the difference between a stapler and perl code, but, maybe it doesn't flush stdout without a \n? |
| 22:30.51 | Tene | fozzmoo: there's a problem with your prompt |
| 22:30.56 | Tene | most likely |
| 22:31.05 | maquis | fozzmoo: i believe that nick125 is correct... i've run into the same problem in the past |
| 22:31.07 | Tene | do you have any escapes in your $PS1 ? |
| 22:31.24 | Tene | try running: |
| 22:31.30 | fozzmoo | %m]%/ %!%# |
| 22:31.32 | Tene | perl script.pl ; sleep 30 |
| 22:32.14 | Tene | Oh, nevermind. |
| 22:32.36 | Tene | Huh, it really doesn't produce any output at all. |
| 22:32.37 | fozzmoo | nick125: That's what I suspected also. Just wanted someone else to say it. |
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| 22:57.07 | tensai | fozzmoo: if it's a problem of stdout not flushing, set $| = 1 |
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| 23:12.36 | fozzmoo | tensai: Saw that too. Thanks. |
| 23:15.03 | findlay-w | what about $_+|{}? |
| 23:16.22 | findlay-w | ~find vgscan |
| 23:17.14 | tensai | findlay-w: /sbin/vgscan |
| 23:17.17 | tensai | in package lvm2 |
| 23:17.26 | findlay-w | I installed lvm2 |
| 23:17.38 | tensai | no you didn't |
| 23:17.50 | findlay-w | lvm2 is already the newest version. |
| 23:18.33 | findlay-w | all I get is /lib/lvm-200/vgscan |
| 23:18.38 | findlay-w | whatever that is |
| 23:19.01 | findlay-w | strange, that's it |
| 23:19.08 | Tene | findlay-w: which distro? |
| 23:19.15 | findlay-w | seems like a pretty standard location :-) |
| 23:19.18 | findlay-w | Tene: ubuntu |
| 23:19.26 | tensai | hmm. me too. which release? |
| 23:19.46 | findlay-w | 6.10 |
| 23:19.47 | tensai | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Dec 11 2006 /sbin/vgscan -> lvmiopversion |
| 23:21.19 | findlay-w | stranger, I have /sbin/vgscan |
| 23:21.44 | findlay-w | No program "vgscan" found for your current version of LVM |
| 23:22.06 | findlay-w | so I was confusing as to the original error |
| 23:22.16 | tensai | vgscan --version |
| 23:22.44 | findlay-w | same |
| 23:23.11 | findlay-w | aha, I needed to modprobe dm-mod |
| 23:23.13 | findlay-w | duh |
| 23:23.30 | tensai | ~findlay findlay-w |
| 23:23.30 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay-w. |
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| 23:26.03 | beandog | mmm, lvm |
| 23:26.08 | beandog | how much space you got findlay-w |
| 23:26.27 | findlay-w | doesn't matter. My hdd doesn't want to play with my MB :) |
| 23:26.34 | findlay-w | about 120 Gb |
| 23:27.00 | findlay-w | so many Gb's I don't know where to put them all |
| 23:32.05 | findlay-w | well, I'm done for today |
