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| 02:32.05 | linuxalien | Melon is good |
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| 02:38.36 | levi_home | The cantaloupe is especially good. I think it may be the European variety, though, because it didn't have the netting on the outside like usual. |
| 02:38.56 | linuxalien | oh - I had watermelon |
| 02:38.59 | linuxalien | It was nice and sweet |
| 02:39.10 | levi_home | I have watermelon, too. |
| 02:40.05 | linuxalien | So where did you get the European cantelope? |
| 02:40.11 | linuxalien | if you don't mind me asking. :) |
| 02:40.29 | levi_home | From a stand in Lehi right next to the roundabout. |
| 02:40.50 | levi_home | They advertise Green River watermelons. |
| 02:41.03 | linuxalien | Oh cool. Kinda far hehe. I'm in North Ogden. |
| 02:41.27 | levi_home | My wife picked one up along with the mystery melon, which looked like honeydew on the outside, but looks and tastes like cantaloupe on the inside. |
| 02:42.41 | linuxalien | Wow. Honeydew is nice, mixed with cantelope and watermelon |
| 02:42.54 | levi_home | Yeah, except this definitely isn't honeydew. |
| 02:43.20 | levi_home | It's delicious, whatever it is. |
| 02:43.51 | linuxalien | Wow. Maybe they gene-spliced something tasty. :0 |
| 02:49.35 | klys | woot, http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/tzone.gif |
| 02:49.40 | klys | now you can view it fullscreen and tell what time it is on irc |
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| 03:45.04 | findlay | hello |
| 03:45.26 | Sargun | What is a cheap, easy to obtain scintillator? |
| 03:46.05 | findlay | what do you want that for? |
| 03:46.16 | findlay | ~scintillate Sargun |
| 03:47.28 | Sargun | to produce light from radiation, cheaply? |
| 03:48.02 | findlay | sure |
| 03:48.06 | findlay | go to Wal-mart |
| 03:48.17 | findlay | navigate to their lighting aisle |
| 03:48.28 | findlay | select a light bulb |
| 03:48.33 | findlay | take it to the checkout |
| 03:48.35 | findlay | buy it |
| 03:48.48 | findlay | enjoy light radiation cheaply |
| 03:49.15 | findlay | ??? |
| 03:49.18 | findlay | Profit? |
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| 03:52.04 | Sargun | I want to make a atomic battery |
| 03:52.16 | Sargun | I know who to ask, mheath! |
| 03:52.19 | Sargun | ~seen mheath |
| 03:52.40 | ibot | mheath <i=Mike@c-76-23-0-191.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 18d 22h 39m 17s ago, saying: 'Goodnight, I'm heading to sleep.'. |
| 03:52.40 | findlay | haha |
| 03:52.40 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 03:52.40 | ibot | pong |
| 03:52.44 | Sargun | oh. |
| 03:53.01 | Sargun | dang. |
| 03:53.06 | Sargun | nick125, hey hey. |
| 03:53.43 | nick125 | hi |
| 03:54.14 | nick125 | I wish the X series thinkpads had CD/DVD drives in them |
| 03:56.03 | Sargun | nick125, Long time no speak. |
| 03:56.22 | Sargun | Uranium will emit a helluva a lot of Alpha radiation, right? |
| 04:06.42 | findlay | Sargun is a terrorist! |
| 04:07.09 | findlay | don't listen to him! He's trying to make teh nukular bombz!!! |
| 04:07.20 | Sargun | sure. |
| 04:08.13 | Sargun | What did they do to it? |
| 04:08.24 | nick125 | Sargun: From the looks of it, water damage |
| 04:08.57 | nick125 | I got it back and the front of it was rusted |
| 04:09.43 | nick125 | http://zaphire.nick125.com/~nick/tmp/compusa/Photo_080907_003.jpg |
| 04:10.45 | nick125 | Also, the bottom screws are coroded. |
| 04:11.17 | nick125 | I took it to a third party place to open it up and take a look for water damage (so CompUSA can't say I damaged it to defraud their good hard working honest business) |
| 04:11.36 | Sargun | Its corroded. |
| 04:11.50 | nick125 | I didn't remember if it was one r or two r |
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| 04:12.04 | Sargun | but its shiny. |
| 04:12.11 | Sargun | No, I'm saying the laptop is corroded |
| 04:12.32 | nick125 | I have a feeling they spilled water in it and left it there |
| 04:12.58 | nick125 | Either CompUSA or their third-party repair facility, Image Microsystems in Grapevine, TX. |
| 04:13.25 | Sargun | I've always wanted to stick a GPS tracking device + camera in something and send it off |
| 04:13.51 | nick125 | Why do that when you can ask them where the heck they are sending it? :P |
| 04:14.02 | nick125 | They gave me the address on a Fedex Billable Stamp too. |
| 04:14.16 | nick125 | What's the size limit for a Fedex package? |
| 04:14.22 | nick125 | Well, weight limit |
| 04:16.08 | Sargun | hehe |
| 04:16.18 | nick125 | Hmm. I wonder if I can use a Fedex Billable Stamp for a Freight package.. |
| 04:16.29 | nick125 | 500 pound package overnighted. |
| 04:16.32 | Sargun | HAHA |
| 04:16.52 | Sargun | Ship them an old car |
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| 04:17.27 | nick125 | You can only ship upto 2200lbs through Freight |
| 04:17.53 | Sargun | Oooh, get creative. |
| 04:18.23 | nick125 | muwhahaha |
| 04:19.30 | nick125 | 900lbs 50x50x50 package overnighted...$3,400. |
| 04:20.11 | Sargun | haaha |
| 04:21.35 | nick125 | Anyone here have experience with Lenovo's support? |
| 04:22.24 | nick125 | I'm wondering if it's better than HP's support. |
| 04:22.36 | nick125 | Where you spend three hours on the phone trying to get a mobo replaced in a laptop because of a bad NIC |
| 04:22.58 | nick125 | And end up hanging up making a comment like "You are too #@$^#$^ stupid, goodbye" |
| 04:24.26 | nick125 | (I tried to help my friend get his HP notebook facilicated) |
| 04:24.46 | Sargun | nick125, I have |
| 04:24.51 | Sargun | I dropped my laptop |
| 04:24.59 | Sargun | and I didn't have their complete care warranty |
| 04:25.08 | Sargun | and my mobo got flexed |
| 04:25.15 | nick125 | Nice. |
| 04:25.18 | Sargun | they still replaced it |
| 04:25.26 | nick125 | Did they know you dropped it? |
| 04:25.46 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:25.48 | nick125 | So it's not like "Well, you need to clear the internet explorer cache, that's why your internet card isn't working" |
| 04:25.51 | nick125 | ? |
| 04:25.53 | Sargun | I told them what happened. |
| 04:25.53 | Sargun | no |
| 04:25.57 | Sargun | I was like |
| 04:26.25 | nick125 | The guy actually VNCed into the computer and took about 20 minutes to clear the cache |
| 04:26.31 | Sargun | "So, my laptop is being a <expletive>. I think the mobo got flexed when I dropped it. Can you guys replace it?" |
| 04:26.36 | Sargun | "Sure, whats the serial number" |
| 04:26.45 | Sargun | "Is your address <my address>?" |
| 04:26.51 | Sargun | "Yes. send it there" |
| 04:27.04 | nick125 | Even though I told him that it's not software, that it was a hardware issue. I told him I had tried it in 2 different OSes, three different ethernet cables, and dozens of hubs/switches" |
| 04:27.09 | Sargun | "Thank you sir, you will receive a box with instructions in 1-2 business days" |
| 04:28.50 | nick125 | So, the warranty is pretty good? |
| 04:28.59 | nick125 | It's not like you send them your laptop and you get it back rusted? |
| 04:29.11 | Sargun | That hasn't happened, yet. |
| 04:29.20 | Sargun | One time they even cleaned my screen. |
| 04:29.24 | Sargun | It was amazing. |
| 04:29.41 | Sargun | The three-centimeter think layer of dirt on my screen went away |
| 04:29.50 | nick125 | And this is after lenovo bought IBM's PC division? |
| 04:30.15 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:30.18 | Sargun | before it was better |
| 04:30.32 | nick125 | Is the support outsourced? |
| 04:30.42 | Sargun | you just called them and said "I need a new $PART, I'd like to (DEPOT/GET THE PART)" |
| 04:30.53 | Sargun | "What's your serial number and address?" |
| 04:30.58 | Sargun | "serialnumber/address" |
| 04:30.59 | Sargun | "Ok, that |
| 04:31.09 | Sargun | 'll be there before you wake up tomorrow morning" |
| 04:31.16 | Sargun | "Oooh. neat" |
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| 04:34.29 | nick125 | Hmm...a Thinkpad T61p with 2.0ghz core 2 duo, 14.1 SXGA+ TFT screen, 2gb ram, fingerprint reader, 100gb hd, dvdr/w dual layer, 9 cell battery, 3945abg wireless, bluetooth and 3 year warranty for $1,804. |
| 04:34.36 | Sargun | more ram |
| 04:34.39 | Sargun | more HDD |
| 04:34.49 | Sargun | nvidia card |
| 04:34.54 | fozzmoo | What is SXGA+? |
| 04:34.56 | Sargun | get complete care, its useful. |
| 04:34.58 | nick125 | That's a nvidia quadro 140M. |
| 04:35.05 | Sargun | get a small nuclear engine. |
| 04:35.08 | nick125 | Sargun: I managed with 1GB on my other laptop |
| 04:35.27 | nick125 | Sargun: And that is with a 3 year depot warranty w/ thinkpad protection |
| 04:35.51 | Sargun | nor is 100 GB of disk |
| 04:35.52 | nick125 | Much better warranty than I had at compusa for less $$ (or same) |
| 04:36.00 | nick125 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 04:36.00 | nick125 | /dev/sda3 455G 30G 402G 7% / |
| 04:36.06 | Sargun | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 04:36.06 | Sargun | /dev/sda3 90G 80G 6.0G 93% / |
| 04:36.06 | Sargun | udev 759M 2.8M 756M 1% /dev |
| 04:36.06 | Sargun | shm 759M 0 759M 0% /dev/shm |
| 04:36.08 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Why do you need so much RAM? |
| 04:36.09 | Sargun | :-) |
| 04:36.13 | Sargun | That's after cleaning up |
| 04:36.29 | fozzmoo | Sargun: You really don't *need* all that pr0n. |
| 04:36.30 | Sargun | Firefox, some stuff I do for work. |
| 04:36.43 | Sargun | I do reports stuff for work and analyse huge files |
| 04:36.51 | Sargun | can't do it at the office |
| 04:36.54 | Sargun | so I do it at home |
| 04:37.17 | Sargun | At work I have a V8 (intel quad * 2) 4 GB ram |
| 04:37.30 | Sargun | heh, I have as many processors as much RAM I have! |
| 04:37.38 | Sargun | er |
| 04:37.39 | Sargun | wait |
| 04:37.43 | Sargun | I have 8 processors |
| 04:37.46 | Sargun | and 4 GB of RAM |
| 04:37.48 | fozzmoo | I just installed a Dell quad x 2 box for a client in our colocation rack |
| 04:37.53 | Sargun | something is wrong with that |
| 04:37.57 | fozzmoo | They're doing YouTube-type stuff. |
| 04:38.03 | Sargun | For my personal dev box. |
| 04:38.08 | fozzmoo | Compression of videos into .flv |
| 04:38.16 | Sargun | I got to throw stuff at a 15*4 cores |
| 04:38.22 | Sargun | 15*8 GB of RAM |
| 04:38.44 | fozzmoo | Sargun: My wife and I did internships at Cray. :) |
| 04:38.48 | nick125 | So, anyone here have the T61? |
| 04:38.55 | Sargun | I have a T60p |
| 04:39.25 | fozzmoo | nick125: If anyone does, it's probably a Guru Lab guy. |
| 04:39.25 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Shutup. :-P |
| 04:39.26 | fozzmoo | I think sjansen might have one. |
| 04:39.26 | Sargun | I still got to build my own networking technologies. |
| 04:41.16 | nick125 | mmm..I don't think it's worth $200 for 1.3" larger screen |
| 04:42.21 | Sargun | no |
| 04:42.21 | Sargun | it isn't |
| 04:42.29 | Sargun | it becomes a lot more flimsy |
| 04:42.31 | nick125 | 14.1" is good enough |
| 04:42.33 | nick125 | Yeah |
| 04:42.35 | Sargun | also, the internal WWAN isn't worth it |
| 04:42.45 | nick125 | That's what I've noticed with my HP is that it's really hard to manage |
| 04:42.48 | Sargun | I had a 15.1 for a month, and then I returned it. |
| 04:42.49 | nick125 | mainly because it's so wide |
| 04:43.27 | fozzmoo | I've got a 15-inch WXGA+ HP laptop. |
| 04:43.49 | nick125 | If I wanted WWAN, I'd get a ExpressCard HSDPA card. |
| 04:43.50 | Sargun | I had a knife. |
| 04:43.53 | Sargun | then I lost it. |
| 04:43.53 | fozzmoo | It is kinda big. I wish I had two laptops- a little teeny one I can travel with and a 17-inch I can do actual work on. :) |
| 04:44.11 | Sargun | I wish I had a cluster of OLPCs |
| 04:44.23 | fozzmoo | Sorry, Sargun, only OLPC. |
| 04:44.29 | fozzmoo | Clustering not allowed. |
| 04:44.34 | Sargun | and then I could throw them at people while they played annoying tickle me elmo songs. |
| 04:44.37 | Sargun | Aw, why not? |
| 04:44.40 | Sargun | I got to play with one |
| 04:44.44 | Sargun | they are freaking neat. |
| 04:44.46 | fozzmoo | OLPC! That's the rule! |
| 04:44.48 | Sargun | and addictive. |
| 04:44.49 | nick125 | Hmm...I'm wondering, is it worth the extra $100 for a 1 year longer warranty |
| 04:44.53 | Sargun | shutup. |
| 04:45.44 | Sargun | (to fozzmoo ) |
| 04:45.54 | fozzmoo | No, YOU shutup. :) |
| 04:46.11 | fozzmoo | (This goes on for hours in our house.) |
| 04:46.33 | Sargun | (hehe) |
| 04:46.49 | fozzmoo | I think Christmas 2007 is going to be the year the sub-$200 laptop goes wild. |
| 04:47.05 | fozzmoo | I know I'm thinking about getting one for my dad. |
| 04:47.26 | fozzmoo | That Asus Eee looks way interesting. |
| 04:47.32 | fozzmoo | But the OLPC has a nicer screen. |
| 04:49.45 | nick125 | How's this sound: T61: 2.2ghz Core 2 Duo, 14.1" SXGA+ screen, Nvidia Qudro NVS 140M w/ 128MB video ram, 2GB DDR2-667Mhz, 120GB HD, DVDr/w dual layer, Intel 3945ABG wireless, built-in bluetooth, 9 cell battery, and a four year depot/thinkpad protection warranty for $1,929. |
| 04:49.52 | Sargun | fozzmoo, have you played with it |
| 04:49.57 | fozzmoo | Nope. Just read about it. |
| 04:50.04 | Sargun | its neat |
| 04:50.06 | fozzmoo | nick125: Sounds cool. |
| 04:51.34 | Sargun | its good. |
| 04:51.40 | Sargun | I have on desktop version |
| 04:51.48 | Sargun | It took me a few months to get support for it |
| 04:51.59 | Sargun | but once I had support it was blazingly beautiful. |
| 04:52.04 | nick125 | Is it decently supported? |
| 04:52.44 | Sargun | The Intel GMA X3100 GM965 looks nice. |
| 04:52.50 | Sargun | Yeah, now it is. |
| 04:53.01 | Sargun | Not sure which chip is in that Quadro (the new one) |
| 04:53.11 | Sargun | Just make sure its supported |
| 04:53.25 | Sargun | otherwise you end up with VESA quality resolution |
| 05:05.44 | Sargun | Intel? Core? 2 Duo T7700 (2.4GHz 800MHz 4MBL2), 14.1 SXGA+ TFT, Intel GMA X3100 GM965 w/o WWAN, 4 GB, UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader, 160GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400 RPM , Intel Turbo Memory 1GB, Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN, Integrated Bluetooth PAN, 9 cell Li-Ion Battery |
| 05:05.53 | Sargun | all for just $2,659.00* |
| 05:05.58 | Sargun | did I do something to herlo? |
| 05:06.06 | Sargun | or was that purely coincidence? |
| 05:06.37 | fozzmoo | I wish AMD would make better performance-oriented mobile platforms. |
| 05:07.06 | fozzmoo | I'd love to have an Athlon 64 or Opteron laptop that had 5-6 hours of battery. |
| 05:07.22 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:07.33 | Sargun | they just don't have the right stuff |
| 05:07.42 | Sargun | I mean, their drivers SUCK <expletive> |
| 05:07.50 | nick125 | Sargun: Does the biometric scanner in the Lenovos work in linux? |
| 05:08.01 | Sargun | mhmm |
| 05:08.05 | Sargun | yup |
| 05:08.10 | Sargun | I used to use it |
| 05:08.10 | nick125 | sweet |
| 05:08.14 | Sargun | very |
| 05:08.20 | nick125 | password-less login |
| 05:11.51 | Sargun | hheheheheheheh |
| 05:13.27 | Sargun | http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/print_summary_details_popup.aspx?~lt=print&c=us&cs=555&fb=1&l=en&oc=pe6850pad&s=biz&leadtime=&showleadtime=False |
| 05:13.35 | Sargun | Get me 99 of those boxes |
| 05:13.42 | Sargun | ooh, wrong network card. |
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| 05:16.50 | nick125 | Sargun: It's not a network card, it's an internet card! |
| 05:17.00 | fozzmoo | What version of the Internet does it require? :) |
| 05:17.10 | nick125 | 2.0 |
| 05:17.27 | herlo | 3.4 |
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| 05:17.35 | nick125 | 98943.11 |
| 05:18.09 | Sargun | haha |
| 05:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:18.19 | Sargun | 10.1 |
| 05:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | There *is* a resident mplayer addict in the channel, there must be |
| 05:18.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know how to tell mplayer to only play a segment of a file from the CLI? |
| 05:19.27 | fozzmoo | -frames ? |
| 05:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Little bit of info: I'm extracting the audio from a video |
| 05:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Need to break up the audio |
| 05:20.23 | fozzmoo | Might want to try transcode |
| 05:20.28 | Sargun | mplayer |
| 05:20.29 | fozzmoo | that is way easier. |
| 05:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I've already got the video --> audio extraction |
| 05:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Then lame to encode |
| 05:20.51 | Sargun | mplayer -ao pcm -vo null |
| 05:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Just need the segments |
| 05:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | actually, mplayer -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:waveheader -ao pcm:fast -ao pcm:file=out.wav in.movie |
| 05:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I *just* need segments |
| 05:21.29 | Sargun | -endpos |
| 05:21.34 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.06 | nick125 | I'm pretty sure it has a -startpos too. |
| 05:22.18 | Sargun | -ss |
| 05:22.22 | Sargun | =startpos |
| 05:22.23 | Sargun | POS |
| 05:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, those are what I need |
| 05:22.27 | fozzmoo | -ss |
| 05:22.32 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.33 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I was searching the man page for 'jump' |
| 05:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Not 'seek' for some reason, even though that's what I was thinking |
| 05:23.16 | herlo | fozzmoo: I like the latest SolitaryWorld... |
| 05:23.22 | fozzmoo | herlo: Really? |
| 05:23.26 | fozzmoo | I |
| 05:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 05:23.35 | fozzmoo | I'm just writing up a thing about how disappointed I am. :) |
| 05:24.09 | fozzmoo | herlo: But thanks! |
| 05:24.47 | herlo | fozzmoo: why are you saying But? |
| 05:25.11 | fozzmoo | I'm always saying But. :) |
| 05:25.52 | herlo | fozzmoo: oh |
| 05:25.53 | herlo | :) |
| 05:26.57 | fozzmoo | http://www.solitaryworld.net/episodes/2.html |
| 05:29.01 | nick125 | Hmm.... |
| 05:29.19 | fozzmoo | amanda sucks. :) |
| 05:29.31 | nick125 | It works here :p |
| 05:29.34 | Sargun | hhehehe |
| 05:29.37 | Sargun | what are you backing up onto |
| 05:29.37 | nick125 | After many hours of work, it works. |
| 05:29.44 | nick125 | Sargun: USB HD (vtapes) |
| 05:29.54 | nick125 | I'm thinking of picking up a tape drive off of ebay |
| 05:30.00 | Sargun | never trust a women :-P |
| 05:30.00 | fozzmoo | nick125: Now check out bacula. |
| 05:30.02 | Sargun | vtapes? |
| 05:30.11 | fozzmoo | virtual tape, I guess. |
| 05:30.12 | nick125 | virtual tapes |
| 05:30.27 | Sargun | I hate my tape drive |
| 05:31.32 | vontrapp | how do you get routing info from windows? |
| 05:31.40 | Sargun | route print |
| 05:31.42 | Sargun | route show |
| 05:31.46 | Sargun | or something like that |
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| 05:59.42 | klys | route /?, route print |
| 05:59.54 | vontrapp | route print seemed to work |
| 06:15.33 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:16.55 | findlay | I don't need a backup system. I have a bash script that uses dd underneath! |
| 06:19.49 | herlo | goozbach: ping |
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| 10:40.05 | klys | blah |
| 10:40.16 | klys | I want to partee |
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| 12:58.26 | sjansen | weird |
| 13:01.42 | frederik | ~lart sjansen |
| 13:01.42 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at sjansen |
| 13:01.50 | frederik | any swimmers in here? |
| 13:08.51 | sinuhe | frederik: before I got my geek pudge, I used to play water polo. |
| 13:13.24 | Sargun | The Radiation poisoning keeps you from gaining too much weight (in my case) |
| 13:14.07 | sinuhe | Sargun: Oh, so *that* is what happened. |
| 13:14.42 | Yorokobi | Sargun, you must not be married. Between the geek pudge and the "happy pounds" given after marriage ... we'll, I'm not as fit as I used to be. |
| 13:15.04 | Yorokobi | s/we'll/well/ |
| 13:17.08 | frederik | sinuhe: ever looked at the TI stuff? |
| 13:19.47 | frederik | http://www.totalimmersion.net/ |
| 13:30.15 | sinuhe | Never have. |
| 13:30.22 | ^Migs^ | oh dear: http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a974/a974_bm.gif |
| 13:32.23 | frederik | picked up the book at the bookstore yesterday. i've never swum competitively, but it's very good from what I can tell. esp. for my goal, which is to improve my enjoyment so that I can swim for fitness and keep enjoying it |
| 13:32.32 | frederik | rather than have it be a chore |
| 13:42.14 | vontrapp | route print seemed to work |
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| 13:43.25 | vontrapp | oops |
| 13:50.24 | nick125 | SCO stock hasn't been above 0.53 per share |
| 13:50.28 | nick125 | mm |
| 13:50.54 | vontrapp | it's like a half life |
| 13:51.02 | vontrapp | less and less, but it's always there |
| 14:03.48 | sjansen | ~funkybomb frederik |
| 14:03.48 | ibot | ACTION blows away frederik in a psychedelic flash |
| 14:10.16 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:10.17 | ibot | executes killall -TERM sjansen |
| 14:10.44 | sjansen | Ha, missed! |
| 14:10.57 | sjansen | ~travolta elg |
| 14:10.58 | ibot | ACTION replaces elg with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 14:11.01 | elg | ~kill sjansen |
| 14:11.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged anti-graviton gun at sjansen |
| 14:12.06 | sjansen | Whee! No gravity! |
| 14:12.37 | sjansen | ~plonk elg |
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| 14:38.14 | maquis | hmm |
| 14:38.27 | maquis | if sco tries to appeal, does anyone think the lawyers will stay on? |
| 14:38.40 | Yorokobi | If they can get paid, yeah. |
| 14:38.53 | maquis | if i was one of sco's lawyers, i think i'd require payment up front |
| 14:39.09 | Yorokobi | heh |
| 14:39.16 | maquis | because i don't believe that they'll have money to pay in a month |
| 14:39.54 | ^Migs^ | there are ways to ensure money is paid to you during a bankruptcy filing |
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| 14:56.46 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/14/japan.biker.reut/index.html |
| 14:56.51 | ^Migs^ | TOKYO, Japan (Reuters) -- A Japanese biker failed to notice his leg had been severed below the knee when he hit a safety barrier, and rode on for 2 km (1.2 miles), leaving a friend to pick up the missing limb. |
| 14:57.21 | Yorokobi | Crazy Japanese |
| 14:57.24 | sinuhe | If SCO's stock is under a dollar for too long, won't they lose their public offering? |
| 15:04.04 | maquis | how uh... uh... how... do... you... not notice? |
| 15:04.05 | maquis | i mean... |
| 15:04.16 | maquis | did he not notice that that leg wasn't pedalling? |
| 15:04.20 | maquis | ... or something? |
| 15:04.29 | maquis | and... uh... |
| 15:04.31 | maquis | nasty |
| 15:04.37 | maquis | he actually cut his leg off? |
| 15:04.44 | maquis | but... |
| 15:04.50 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 15:05.25 | maquis | oh... motorcycle |
| 15:05.27 | maquis | but still... |
| 15:05.32 | maquis | how do you not notice? |
| 15:06.12 | Yorokobi | What? No photos? |
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| 15:12.09 | sinuhe | maquis: Addrelin? You put the pain aside, thinking you've only skinned your knee, focused on the road as you drive. A little odd, but not completely unbelievable. |
| 15:12.48 | sinuhe | s/Addrelin/Adrenalin/ |
| 15:20.55 | maquis | still... |
| 15:27.07 | rsimpkins | Drugs I bet. |
| 15:27.19 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSEIC36140820070813?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews |
| 15:27.24 | ^Migs^ | TALLINN (Reuters) - An Estonian man who was caught driving a car even though he is blind has been at it again, police said on Monday, and this time he faces jail. |
| 15:27.27 | ^Migs^ | "He was drunk. There were three people in the car with him giving him instructions." |
| 15:27.35 | rsimpkins | ~quote SCOX |
| 15:27.51 | rsimpkins | Who is buying this? |
| 15:28.05 | rsimpkins | Someone is buying a lot of SCOX> |
| 15:28.46 | ^Migs^ | dude, now's the time to buy |
| 15:28.50 | ^Migs^ | buy low, sell high |
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| 15:29.28 | Shadowwire | ~lart himself |
| 15:29.28 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses himself's head to break the homerun record |
| 15:30.11 | Shadowwire | Where can I download Mandrake linux? |
| 15:30.36 | maquis | Shadowwire: why would you want to do that? |
| 15:30.52 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mandriva |
| 15:30.58 | Shadowwire | Because its old, and I would like to learn linux. |
| 15:31.19 | maquis | Shadowwire: what does age have to do with anything? |
| 15:31.29 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: What do you mean 'learn linux?' What would you like to learn about it? |
| 15:31.52 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1368102020070813?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews |
| 15:31.55 | rsimpkins | Would you use a 486 to learn 'computers' ? |
| 15:32.17 | ^Migs^ | MILAN (Reuters) - Overweight residents of an Italian town will be paid to lose weight, the mayor said on Monday. Men living in the northwestern Italian town of Varallo will receive 50 euros ($70) for losing 4 kg (9 pounds) in a month, Mayor Gianluca Buonanno said. Women will get the same amount for shedding 3 kg (7 pounds). If they can keep the weight off for 5 months, they will get another 200 euros ($280), he told Reuters. |
| 15:32.18 | Shadowwire | I installed fedora, however when It loads it loads into a gui |
| 15:32.46 | maquis | Shadowwire: i think mandrake does too |
| 15:33.13 | maquis | Shadowwire: most systems do unless you do some crazy things |
| 15:33.19 | Shadowwire | How would you recomend I learn linux? |
| 15:33.19 | maquis | the server version of ubuntu does not |
| 15:33.21 | maquis | gentoo does not |
| 15:33.22 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Nearly anything you want to learn can probably be done with nearly any modern distro (including fedora). |
| 15:33.25 | maquis | freebsd does not |
| 15:33.32 | maquis | but you can turn off the gui, too |
| 15:33.46 | Shadowwire | How do I do that? |
| 15:33.50 | maquis | or turn off kde/gnome, so that you can use a different window-manager (fluxbox, evilwm, etc) |
| 15:34.06 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 3 instead of 5. |
| 15:34.06 | maquis | Shadowwire: turn off the gui by editing /etc/inittab and editing the runlevel |
| 15:34.32 | levi | Or, you could to Linux From Scratch. |
| 15:34.57 | Shadowwire | Levi: What? |
| 15:35.04 | levi | Shadowwire: Google it. |
| 15:35.07 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure he is quite ready for that. :) |
| 15:35.15 | levi | rsimpkins: Bah. |
| 15:35.20 | maquis | i'd say gentoo before LFS |
| 15:35.35 | maquis | gentoo is very nice, teaches a lot, and holds your hand when you get stuck |
| 15:35.38 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: gentoo would be a good start if you want a more 'hackish' experience. |
| 15:35.41 | levi | LFS gives you instructions! |
| 15:35.50 | RyanE | as does Gentoo |
| 15:35.58 | levi | Gentoo also does everything for you. |
| 15:36.05 | RyanE | you just don't have to type them all. |
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| 15:36.16 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: I actually recommend you pick up a book from O'Reilly too: Running Linux |
| 15:36.22 | Shadowwire | Anyway I have Fedora running on a virtual machine, and It looks pretty normal in the GUI. |
| 15:36.25 | levi | Gentoo is an exercise in patience. LFS teaches you how to build a Linux system. |
| 15:36.30 | RyanE | heh |
| 15:37.22 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: I still want to know what you mean by 'learn' Linux. What is it you want to do with Linux? |
| 15:37.36 | maquis | Shadowwire: if you don't want the gui, get rid of it |
| 15:37.51 | maquis | if you don't want the icons and such, but you don't mind having a gui per se, run evilwm |
| 15:38.13 | Shadowwire | I always thought that linux was all about knowing lots of crazy commands like "killall, sync, esd, ld" etc. |
| 15:38.23 | maquis | Shadowwire: that's a piece of linux |
| 15:38.24 | RyanE | LFS would be more like "I want to learn how to become a blacksmith" --> "Well, then you should rub two sticks together to make fire"... |
| 15:38.30 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: So you'd like to learn how to use the shell more effectivley? |
| 15:38.44 | maquis | Shadowwire: you don't have to kill the gui completely to learn how to use the shell |
| 15:38.54 | RyanE | maquis: amen! |
| 15:38.58 | maquis | and you don't have to run any one specific distro to learn the shell |
| 15:39.05 | maquis | every distro has a shell in it |
| 15:39.12 | maquis | even ubuntu (although it's harder to find) |
| 15:39.19 | rsimpkins | Why don't you back up and explain what a shell is. :) |
| 15:39.21 | maquis | even Mac OSX has a shell! |
| 15:39.34 | Shadowwire | I think I understand "shell" |
| 15:39.49 | maquis | Shadowwire: explain it, then :) |
| 15:39.57 | RyanE | a dos prompt for people who want to actually do things... |
| 15:40.04 | maquis | (if you really want to learn, i'm going to make you answer questions) |
| 15:40.15 | RyanE | oops. gave away the answer... |
| 15:40.37 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: This is a good jumping point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_shell |
| 15:41.13 | Shadowwire | I started back in the dos days. I rmember dos shell fairly well. However I think it was more of a gui for early dos. |
| 15:41.41 | levi | I think most of you guys have either a twisted sense of what a newbie is capable of, or you had stuff spoon fed to you when you started. I stand by my recommendation of Linux From Scratch. |
| 15:41.47 | RyanE | yes, but it remained long after the GUI came along, as the shell does in "modern" Linux/BSD. |
| 15:41.51 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: I think the key will be patience. It takes time to get really good at this stuff, but it is possible. :) |
| 15:42.20 | rsimpkins | levi: You are just more advanced than the rest of us. :) |
| 15:42.42 | levi | rsimpkins: Not at all. You're way more advanced with Linux than I am. |
| 15:42.51 | rsimpkins | levi: Not by a long shot I bet. :) |
| 15:42.53 | levi | rsimpkins: In the sysadmin aspect, at least. |
| 15:43.00 | RyanE | I think *all* of us have a different opinion of what a newbie is capable of... but not all newbies are equal, as well. |
| 15:43.20 | rsimpkins | I like to try to understand what someone really wants, then point them in the right direction. |
| 15:43.39 | Shadowwire | Thats the problem. I dont know what I want. |
| 15:43.40 | rsimpkins | It sounds like Shadowwire wants to learn some of the standard UNIX commands, not how to build a distro from scratch. |
| 15:43.58 | rsimpkins | However, he likley would learn both with LFS - perhaps. :) |
| 15:44.07 | levi | LFS is a book, for cryin' out loud. It's like a Gentoo installation without the automation, and a lot more minimal. |
| 15:44.39 | Shadowwire | I would like to know how to get arround in a fedora server that we use for web serving. |
| 15:44.58 | levi | Anyway, I guess I do have unorthodox ideas about education. |
| 15:45.05 | maquis | Shadowwire: one thing that might be interesting, if you have 2 computers, is learning hwo to work on one of them completely remotely |
| 15:45.12 | maquis | so, only use one of the machines over ssh |
| 15:45.22 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: A book like "Running Linux" will give you a broad overview, and then you can drill down in to specific knowledge from there. |
| 15:45.23 | levi | You could accomplish the same thing with one computer and vmware. |
| 15:45.54 | maquis | along with that, if you're interested, you could set up a webserver and a website... even if it's not really that public, it's a good experience to set things like that up and get them running on your own server |
| 15:45.58 | Shadowwire | Im running vmware on my other monitor right now. |
| 15:46.04 | Shadowwire | With fedora |
| 15:46.30 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: I think the best Linux path is the one you find on your own. :) |
| 15:46.53 | levi | When I started with Linux, maybe I was a bit quicker than the average newbie, but LFS would have made things WAY EASIER than I had it. As it was, I had to search around on gopher servers for the right HOWTOs to do every different thing I needed to do. |
| 15:46.54 | Shadowwire | Do I want to get all the available updates? (155) |
| 15:47.09 | maquis | Shadowwire: the important thing is: don't be afraid |
| 15:47.25 | maquis | if that means getting an old junky computer and playing on that, then do it |
| 15:47.32 | rsimpkins | levi: Very few people these days even know what gopher is/was. |
| 15:47.43 | RyanE | gopher was the *bomb*. |
| 15:47.44 | maquis | i break my computer on a regular basis |
| 15:48.07 | rsimpkins | I find it much more challenging not breaking anything, but that's just me. :) |
| 15:48.08 | levi | rsimpkins: Yup. I don't think that has much bearing on my point, though. |
| 15:48.10 | maquis | i mean... just a few nights ago, i brought down our entire network in the house... |
| 15:48.22 | maquis | but each time, i fix it |
| 15:48.39 | maquis | and i try to figure out *why* my change broke things |
| 15:48.54 | maquis | i've learned a ton of really important things that way |
| 15:49.23 | maquis | Shadowwire: just find something you're interested in, and learn how to do it |
| 15:49.32 | Shadowwire | So, how do I disable the gui in fedora? |
| 15:49.35 | maquis | you've got some good resources in the channels here |
| 15:49.39 | maquis | Shadowwire: same way we told you earlier |
| 15:49.41 | maquis | :) |
| 15:49.47 | levi | Anyway, my reason for recommending LFS is that it walks you through setting up a minimal Linux system. Since it's minimal, there's a chance of actually understanding what all the parts do and how they fit together. |
| 15:49.56 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Just open a terminal, the GUI isn't really a big deal honestly. |
| 15:50.08 | Shadowwire | Ok terminal open. |
| 15:50.18 | levi | Later, when you go back to a modern distro, you can identify the parts you saw in LFS, which are the skeleton of a Linux system, and then see how the rest of it hooks in. |
| 15:50.30 | Shadowwire | Can I make it load faster by disableing the GUI? |
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| 15:50.46 | levi | Meanwhile, you learn all sorts of things about how to unpack, configure, and compile software. |
| 15:50.55 | maquis | Shadowwire: IRC is a good resource for whenever you need help with stuff... and if for some reason it's not working, you're always welcome to message me (no promises on how soon i'll get to it, but i notice messages more than i do people talking in this channel) |
| 15:50.58 | Shadowwire | Where can I get LFS? |
| 15:51.09 | maquis | Shadowwire: i'd suggest asking dr google |
| 15:51.16 | levi | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| 15:51.23 | elg | Shadowwire: that's like asking where to get house from scratch |
| 15:51.27 | elg | the answer is mostly home depot |
| 15:51.30 | Shadowwire | thanks |
| 15:51.35 | elg | or mostly internet, as the case may be :) |
| 15:51.41 | Shadowwire | I see. |
| 15:51.48 | elg | of course you need the blueprints |
| 15:51.56 | levi | elg: There's 'linux from scratch' and then there's 'Linux From Scratch', the latter of which is a book that tells you how to build the former. |
| 15:52.49 | elg | the latter is the blueprints |
| 15:53.03 | elg | maquis: who's playing volleyball that you should worry? |
| 15:53.18 | maquis | elg: we've got a league here at work |
| 15:53.18 | Shadowwire | Thank you. All very usefull information. |
| 15:53.19 | elg | it might be fun to do LFS in a virtual machine or something |
| 15:53.22 | maquis | and we're playing today... |
| 15:53.25 | ^Migs^ | maquis: You need a script that beeps whenever someone says your name |
| 15:53.26 | maquis | last week, someone got injured |
| 15:53.30 | levi | Yeah, doing it in a virtual machine would be wise. |
| 15:53.34 | maquis | ^Migs^: i see when people say my name |
| 15:53.39 | maquis | but i'm not always at my computer |
| 15:54.01 | maquis | and i doubt that Shadowwire is going to say my name whenever he has a question about linux |
| 15:54.34 | maquis | i usually don't scroll back all the way if i get to my desk and it's been a while, though |
| 15:54.45 | Shadowwire | maquis: I could if you prefer. |
| 15:54.45 | ^Migs^ | maybe you could rig it up to page you whenever someone says your name |
| 15:55.06 | maquis | does the beeping even work when i'm working over ssh? |
| 15:55.11 | levi | When I first installed Linux, it was on a DOS system using that weird filesystem that lets your Linux stuff live in a FAT filesystem. |
| 15:55.21 | levi | maquis: If you have things set up right. |
| 15:55.24 | maquis | Shadowwire: easier would be to message me if you have a question for me... |
| 15:55.26 | ^Migs^ | or maybe it could just start yelling "MAQUIS! MAQUIS! MAQUIS!" and only stop when you come back and start typing again |
| 15:55.40 | maquis | levi: interesting... i've never played with getting that to work |
| 15:55.43 | RyanE | yeah, never having done LFS, it does sound like a good idea. Before doing Gentoo, I had compiled hundreds of Unix apps by hand, and knew a lot about the command line and UNIX, so I guess could skip a step or two. |
| 15:55.55 | levi | maquis: ^G is the ASCII bell character. |
| 15:55.58 | Shadowwire | migs: I dont think any of that is neccecary. |
| 15:56.10 | levi | maquis: Hit it at a terminal and see what happens. |
| 15:56.34 | maquis | levi: screen blinks, but no sound |
| 15:56.58 | levi | maquis: Ahh, you have to change your screen settings if you want to hear it, then. |
| 15:56.58 | RyanE | you probably have 'visual bell' turned on in the terminal |
| 15:57.18 | maquis | whether or not the host server made a sound is a question for the engineers in xmissions' datacenter |
| 15:57.22 | RyanE | heh |
| 15:57.29 | maquis | :P |
| 15:57.32 | RyanE | yeah, why don't you call them up and ask? :) |
| 15:57.50 | RyanE | then they could page you whenever your server beeps |
| 15:57.52 | levi | It wouldn't. It just relays the ^G to your screen session, which captures it and blinks. |
| 15:58.33 | maquis | levi: but if i changed my screen settings to sound the bell, it wouldn't go off here, would it? |
| 15:58.41 | levi | maquis: Yes, it would. |
| 15:58.59 | levi | maquis: The bell is triggered by your local terminal display program getting a ^G |
| 15:59.24 | levi | maquis: You don't get it now because screen intercepts it. If it passed it through, your terminal program would trigger a beep. |
| 15:59.28 | RyanE | assuming you don't have 'visual bell' turned on, and 'screen' passes it on, and you have sound turned up. |
| 15:59.38 | RyanE | some terminals do the same as screen, that is. |
| 15:59.47 | maquis | hmm... |
| 15:59.49 | maquis | interesting |
| 15:59.52 | sjansen | Stuart need sugar. |
| 15:59.54 | sjansen | And sleep. |
| 16:00.02 | RyanE | I never have sound turned up. Blasted cubicles. |
| 16:00.04 | levi | Another thing people don't have to screw around much with these days: termcap |
| 16:00.27 | RyanE | halleluja! |
| 16:00.28 | Shadowwire | Term wha? |
| 16:00.44 | levi | Shadowwire: Don't worry about it. That way lies madness. ;) |
| 16:01.07 | RyanE | Back in college days, I used to run everything in screen because of it. Screen smoothed out the screwed up termcap settings on the BYU Unix boxen. |
| 16:01.34 | levi | The one advantage of having to screw around with it is that you get a pretty good idea of what a terminal was, and why the programs you use to type into your shells are called terminal emulators. |
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| 16:19.12 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eiNC38qwRo |
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| 16:30.28 | Shadowwire | Moo? |
| 16:30.59 | fozzmoo | Moo! |
| 16:36.47 | sjansen | Meow? |
| 16:41.17 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Go meow yourself. |
| 16:42.36 | sjansen | ~bite fozzmoo |
| 16:42.39 | ibot | ACTION takes a big bite out of fozzmoo's jugular vein |
| 16:44.54 | Shadowwire | Thats not nice. |
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| 16:47.00 | sjansen | You want nice? I'll give you nice! |
| 16:47.07 | sjansen | ~give Shadowwire nice |
| 16:47.07 | ibot | ACTION gives nice to Shadowwire |
| 16:47.39 | Shadowwire | Uh,... Thanks? |
| 16:49.42 | Tene | heh |
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| 16:53.31 | fozzmoo | Tene: Hi |
| 16:53.37 | fozzmoo | Tene: Yat today? |
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| 16:55.41 | fozzmoo | http://mytreo.net/archives/2007/08/new-treo-images-hint-at-meaning-of-code-name-gandolf.html |
| 16:55.51 | fozzmoo | Rumor of future Treo device. |
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| 17:03.58 | Tene | fozzmoo: St. Louis. |
| 17:04.18 | fozzmoo | Cool. How's St. Louie? |
| 17:05.25 | Tene | Hot. |
| 17:08.10 | elg | fozzmoo: man, they sure arne't very careful reporters |
| 17:08.24 | elg | can't figure out how to spell gandalf, gandolf, or gandalfr(?) |
| 17:08.32 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 17:08.50 | fozzmoo | One person said the new Treo is "very nicer." |
| 17:10.17 | elg | it is a treo site, maybe they kept fatfingering the f to get fr |
| 17:10.23 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 17:10.26 | elg | or messed up once and had some sort of autocomplete |
| 17:21.52 | mrpull | fozzmoo: the glances of the palm gandolf I've seen make it look ugly and hard to type on. |
| 17:22.10 | mrpull | i like the HTC devices with the bigger screens and slider keyboards |
| 17:22.22 | mrpull | but i'm a WM guy... |
| 18:01.59 | findlay | hello |
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| 18:39.50 | ^Migs^ | i have a text file listing directory names, one on each line, and i want to read the file, and pipe each line to mkdir to make those folders. What's my syntax? |
| 18:41.29 | ^Migs^ | account for spaces within the directory paths |
| 18:41.33 | ^Migs^ | s/account/accounting/ |
| 18:42.01 | elg | while read i; do mkdir -p "$i"; done < yourfile.txt |
| 18:43.04 | sjansen | elg++ |
| 18:43.27 | ^Migs^ | IAW elg++ |
| 18:43.46 | sjansen | I really wanted to show off by picking something better than elg's solution, but the more I thought about it the more I realized there wasn't anything better. |
| 18:44.01 | Yorokobi | cat yourfile | xargs mkdir -p - |
| 18:44.06 | sjansen | Except, perhaps, for a quibble over variable naming. |
| 18:44.21 | elg | Yorokobi wins the "hasn't got bitten by spaces yet" award |
| 18:44.43 | ^Migs^ | cat yourfile | xargs mkdir -p doesn't account for spaces, I think |
| 18:44.43 | elg | sjansen: you'd call it f? :) |
| 18:44.45 | Yorokobi | weeee! what do I get? |
| 18:45.01 | sjansen | while read DIR; do mkdir -p "$DIR"; done < yourfile.txt |
| 18:45.06 | elg | Yorokobi: a few gigs of broken mp3 files |
| 18:45.11 | sjansen | Yay! My solution is better than hans's! |
| 18:45.21 | ^Migs^ | wow, I'm using sjansen's |
| 18:45.30 | elg | capitalized variable names is so caveman. |
| 18:45.34 | Yorokobi | ^Migs^, yeah, mine doesn't handle spaces |
| 18:45.48 | elg | while read dir; do mkdir -p "$dir"; done < foo.txt |
| 18:46.23 | elg | atoponce: you get props too. I just wasn't in a blogging mood that day :) |
| 18:48.01 | sjansen | elg: capitalized variable names is so idiomatic |
| 18:48.06 | sjansen | When in Rome... |
| 18:48.14 | sjansen | When writing shell scripts... |
| 18:48.32 | sjansen | Besides, I think it makes things easier to read. Like capitalized SQL. |
| 18:49.24 | ^Migs^ | thanks guys |
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| 18:49.39 | ^Migs^ | I don't know what I'd do without this channel sometimes |
| 18:49.52 | Yorokobi | heh, ask somewhere else? |
| 18:50.02 | ^Migs^ | but WHERE? |
| 18:50.06 | sjansen | Nah, nobody knows shell scripting better than us. |
| 18:50.21 | sjansen | Except maybe SUSE engineers, but that way lies madness. |
| 18:50.30 | sjansen | ;-) |
| 18:50.51 | elg | sjansen: capitalized sql makes me want to gouge my eyes out |
| 18:50.55 | elg | call me nonconformist |
| 18:51.35 | ^Migs^ | everything in my dirpath is already in quotes |
| 18:51.43 | ^Migs^ | shoudl I change that to while read dir; do mkdir -p $dir; done < foo.txt |
| 18:51.47 | ^Migs^ | s/shoudl/should/ |
| 18:52.00 | ^Migs^ | because right now I'm getting mkdir: cannot create directory `"': No such file or directory |
| 18:53.26 | ^Migs^ | mkdir: cannot create directory `2006"': No such file or directory |
| 18:53.45 | ^Migs^ | that still happens when I take out the quotes from do mkdir -p "$dir" |
| 18:54.15 | sjansen | ^Migs^: BAD BAD BAD NO NO NO |
| 18:54.46 | ^Migs^ | uh oh, whatdidIdo!?!?! |
| 18:54.48 | sjansen | _Don't_ remove the quotes around the variable name. That was a sign elg is an experienced scripter, they were there for a reason. |
| 18:55.03 | Tene | fozzmoo: http://udrepper.livejournal.com/17577.html |
| 18:56.37 | sjansen | Hang on, you mean the content of the file contains quotes? |
| 18:56.56 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 18:57.00 | sjansen | ick |
| 19:01.34 | elg | well, then, you should probably move on to a REAL LANGUAGE (gratuitous capitalization for sjansen's sake) |
| 19:02.56 | sjansen | Tene: I forgive you. I recognize your behavior can only be caused by too much exposure to Perl. |
| 19:03.08 | elg | ruby -n 'system "mkdir","-p",$_' < yourfile.txt |
| 19:03.18 | elg | that might work |
| 19:03.20 | elg | I haven't tested it |
| 19:03.34 | Tene | What's the specific problem? |
| 19:03.42 | Tene | I don't care to read much scrollback |
| 19:03.48 | elg | oh, you probably need -l too |
| 19:04.02 | elg | and pray that your filenames don't have newlines in them :) |
| 19:04.43 | elg | and -e |
| 19:04.44 | elg | sheesh |
| 19:05.05 | elg | ok, tested: |
| 19:05.16 | elg | ruby -nl -e 'system "mkdir", "-p", $_' < yourfile.txt |
| 19:06.07 | elg | of course you could do something similar in perl if you're not blessed enough to have ruby handy |
| 19:07.07 | elg | perl -nle 'system("mkdir","-p",$_)' < foo |
| 19:07.40 | ^Migs^ | elg++++++++++++ |
| 19:08.08 | elg | or you could do it in C |
| 19:08.18 | Tene | perl has a mkdir builtin |
| 19:09.08 | sjansen | As does Ruby. |
| 19:09.22 | elg | ruby -nle 'Dir.mkdir($_)' |
| 19:09.32 | elg | that might be a more correct way, but the skill learned is less general |
| 19:09.56 | elg | knowing that you can split up the arguments to a command and not have to worry about escaping stuff, by using system, is a blessed thing to know |
| 19:10.12 | elg | knowing that ruby has Dir.mkdir is trivial unless you're a ruby guru writing ruby scripts left and right |
| 19:10.25 | elg | s/ruby scripts/cross-platform ruby scripts/ |
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| 19:11.02 | elg | TimRiker: you should really keep that flooding under control |
| 19:12.49 | fozzmoo | Tene: Thanks. THat is interesting. |
| 19:16.41 | fozzmoo | http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=4303 |
| 19:18.20 | fozzmoo | Now that's... funny. |
| 19:19.42 | fozzmoo | http://www.engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=today-construction.jpg |
| 19:19.47 | fozzmoo | YES! |
| 19:21.32 | fozzmoo | Wow: http://www.engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=barf-bus.jpg |
| 19:24.26 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 19:28.04 | ^Migs^ | can anyone access this? http://205.122.40.32:8000/jreeve |
| 19:29.03 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Yes, but it appears to be a large file. |
| 19:29.10 | ^Migs^ | no, that's perfect |
| 19:29.16 | ^Migs^ | it's a streaming MP3 |
| 19:29.33 | ^Migs^ | just wasn't sure it was outside our firewall properly |
| 19:50.41 | TimRiker | flooding? I'm I talking too much now? |
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| 20:00.19 | levi | TimRiker: When you disconnected, we saw this: * TimRiker has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 20:10.03 | findlay | apparently |
| 20:11.04 | findlay | somehow it seems that grub got erased from this drive |
| 20:14.28 | findlay | anybody want to give me grub so I can put it back? |
| 20:16.00 | fozzmoo | yum. grub. |
| 20:17.46 | findlay | ~grub fozzmoo |
| 20:20.16 | findlay | sweet, this computer has a quad-speed CDROM! |
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| 20:30.58 | rsimpkins | I wanna find one of these things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavarand |
| 20:34.16 | ^Migs^ | It was also a web site (http://lavarand.sgi.com/) demonstrating the technique, but that is now defunct. Landon Curt Noll, one of the originators, went on to help develop LavaRnd, which does not use lava lamps. |
| 20:34.19 | ^Migs^ | probably for the best |
| 20:38.21 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMTNiv_xAWs |
| 20:46.41 | Supaplex | btw, the office depot in Layton has 90count jumbo super sticky post-its for $1 (clearance) |
| 20:49.17 | fozzmoo | OMFG! |
| 20:51.32 | rsimpkins | jumbo super sticky? |
| 20:51.47 | rsimpkins | Is that like letter sized sheets with super-glue or something? |
| 20:51.50 | TimRiker | levi: huh. wild. I was away at the time. |
| 20:52.00 | Supaplex | 8x6" |
| 20:52.21 | Supaplex | they're like regular post-its, but much more tacky |
| 20:56.52 | ^Migs^ | wow, I need those |
| 20:57.57 | Supaplex | enjoy |
| 20:58.21 | fozzmoo | "It's Post-Its for Balrogs." |
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| 21:52.19 | Tene | So... if Novell owns unix, does that mean that they can legitimately file the same lawsuits that SCO has been fradulently doing, or whatever? |
| 21:55.24 | goozbach | but isn't Novell the bad guy? |
| 21:55.34 | goozbach | and just a pawn for Microsoft? |
| 21:56.48 | Tene | So therefore Microsoft owns UNIX! |
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| 21:58.15 | fozzmoo | It's a scary prospect. |
| 21:58.23 | goozbach | yeah |
| 21:58.28 | goozbach | we're all screwed |
| 21:58.45 | levi | Silly alarmists. |
| 21:58.58 | goozbach | I'm going to become a hermit and make a bunch of babies, and live off wellfare |
| 22:01.31 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I know a place in northern arizona you can do that, and have more than one wife! |
| 22:02.00 | levi | rsimpkins: Are you kidding? You don't even have to leave Utah. |
| 22:04.15 | unum | I took a wrong turn on my way to the grand canyon |
| 22:04.32 | unum | of course there are plenty of families the valley that practice that |
| 22:05.30 | unum | Tene: ibm says novell can't |
| 22:16.57 | goozbach | I just hope I get my new laptop before it's illegal to install Linux |
| 22:21.31 | levi | Um, yeah. I don't think that will be a problem. |
| 22:33.49 | rsimpkins | Can someone verify that you see the em64t flag (in /proc/cpuinfo) on a 64bit processor? |
| 22:34.46 | levi | Not on my Athlon64. |
| 22:35.08 | levi | Which is not surprising, considering em64t is Intel's version. |
| 22:35.38 | Tene | nor on my processor |
| 22:35.45 | rsimpkins | How about 'lm' |
| 22:35.53 | levi | Not on a Xeon, either. |
| 22:35.54 | Tene | Huh... X is using >95% of my CPU |
| 22:35.57 | Tene | and I don't know why. |
| 22:36.15 | Tene | Yes, lm |
| 22:36.23 | Tene | and lahf_lm |
| 22:36.27 | Tene | in fact... |
| 22:36.29 | Tene | Here: |
| 22:36.37 | Tene | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy ts fid vid ttp tm stc |
| 22:37.05 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I think 'lm' means 64bit capable. |
| 22:39.08 | rsimpkins | I'm having trouble finding official docs that describe the CPU flags. |
| 22:39.23 | rsimpkins | Anyone ever stumble on something like that before? |
| 22:39.54 | levi | Heh, official docs for kernel stuff? |
| 22:40.27 | rsimpkins | I don't think it's kernel. I think it is Intel. |
| 22:40.50 | levi | I suppose if those are the official names given by the chip manufacturers, then they'll be in the docs distributed by the chip manufacturers. |
| 22:41.18 | rsimpkins | levi: Yeah, I figured that too, there are just A LOT of docs. |
| 22:42.27 | levi | Indeed. |
| 22:43.03 | levi | I've got a rather hefty Intel memory controller manual on my desk. |
| 22:43.21 | levi | And some AMD cpu manual PDFs, since they have built-in memory controllers. |
| 22:45.15 | Supaplex | lm might mean 'long mode' |
| 22:49.19 | rsimpkins | Everying I'm finding suggests lm means 64bit capability, but it's all just forum posts. I'll keep digging. |
| 22:49.49 | levi | rsimpkins: It looks like that stuff is all set up in setup_cpu() in /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/kernel/setup.c |
| 22:49.50 | rsimpkins | So if it stands for 'long mode' that may be, but the idea there is it only shows up on 64bit CPUs. |
| 22:50.36 | Shadowwire | I think "Long mode" is for the Itanium and Itanium2. |
| 22:50.53 | levi | show_cpuinfo() in the same file is the one that actually prints out the flags for /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:50.54 | Tene | the cpu I pasted the flags for is an AMD turion |
| 22:51.42 | levi | lm and lahf_lm are both AMD-defined flags. |
| 22:52.00 | rsimpkins | I see a 'ia64' flag potentially in there. |
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| 22:53.34 | levi | ia64 is definitely Itanium. |
| 22:53.50 | Shadowwire | Wow. I was right on something for once. |
| 22:54.55 | Shadowwire | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_register |
| 22:55.54 | levi | Looks like the CPUID function is where you want to look in your processor documentation. |
| 22:57.57 | levi | LM is indeed long mode. |
| 22:59.00 | rsimpkins | Cool. Thanks. :) |
| 22:59.13 | rsimpkins | The wiki article was helfpul, thanks Shadowwire. |
| 22:59.38 | levi | See "BIOS and Kernel Developer’s Guide for AMD NPT Family 0Fh Processors" starting at page 339. |
| 23:00.02 | levi | I'm sure Intel has a similar document online, but I haven't needed it. |
| 23:00.04 | Shadowwire | Glad to be of service. Ill mark this on my calandar, it dosnt hapen very often. |
| 23:00.31 | levi | Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID |
| 23:02.32 | levi | I had to play around with CPUID a bit to fix an issue with a multicore, multiprocessor system that was running LinuxBIOS and Bluesmoke. Bluesmoke was getting confused about what kind of CPU it was trying to talk to. |
| 23:02.48 | levi | Presumably because LinuxBIOS set it up in an odd way. |
| 23:05.00 | rsimpkins | It's kind of amaznig that AMD and Intel don't stomp on each other more. |
| 23:07.30 | levi | Apparently LAHF and SAHF are instructions or groups of instructions in 64-bit mode. |
| 23:08.26 | levi | "Load Status Flags into AH Register" |
| 23:09.21 | levi | I guess it's in ia32, too. |
| 23:10.19 | levi | I'd have to look at the in-depth cpu programming documentation to see what lahf_lm does. |
| 23:13.05 | levi | Anyway, I'm not sure if looking for the lm flag is sufficient to tell you if you're running in 64-bit mode or not. |
| 23:13.31 | levi | It seems that it's mostly to tell you that the CPU is capable of it. |
| 23:17.29 | levi | Anyway, that's enough delving into kernel source and CPU documentation for one day. Time to go home! |
| 23:33.06 | Shadowwire | See ya tomarrow. |
| 23:33.26 | nick125 | Anyone here see this "IP Broadband" thing that's been going around DSLReports? |
| 23:46.28 | elg | anyone know if you can get gnuplot to put tick marks and numbers along the line, rather than on the y axis? |
