| 00:07.13 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.14 | nick125 | er |
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| 01:55.03 | mrpull- | good evening |
| 02:31.45 | nick125 | Hmmmm...Is it worth it to backup /usr/ or just back up the stuff I need? |
| 02:32.36 | nick125 | I have 6 backups and I'm only using 500MB |
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| 02:33.20 | mrpull- | nick125: my favorite answer |
| 02:33.21 | mrpull- | it depends |
| 02:33.41 | nick125 | My entire / is about 8-9GB |
| 02:33.46 | nick125 | and I'm backing up to a 160GB drive |
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| 02:35.02 | mrpull- | if you have the time, free cpu, free disk/tape... why not backup everything? |
| 02:35.52 | nick125 | Hmm.... |
| 02:36.11 | mrpull- | i've always wanted to try out rdiff-backup |
| 02:36.20 | nick125 | All I need to do is make sure a certain directories aren't backed up |
| 02:36.21 | mrpull- | but haven't because I've used "real" backup tools |
| 02:36.35 | nick125 | (Like my /nfs/media directory..it's 21GB) |
| 02:36.53 | nick125 | I'm using AMANDA in my setup. |
| 02:37.07 | mrpull- | how do you like it? i've never used it. |
| 02:37.23 | nick125 | It was a pain getting it setup, but, it's pretty cool. |
| 02:37.33 | nick125 | I'm only using it with system at the moment. |
| 02:37.42 | nick125 | *one system |
| 02:38.45 | mrpull- | can it control a robot? |
| 02:39.07 | nick125 | I haven't tried |
| 02:39.25 | mrpull- | (i suppose you aren't using a big library for one personal machine) |
| 02:40.15 | nick125 | This is on my home server |
| 02:40.25 | nick125 | I'm eventually planning on backing up my desktop's important files to it |
| 02:42.23 | nick125 | Some people are calling my backup plan excessive :/ |
| 02:43.20 | mrpull- | no such thing as an excessive backup scheme |
| 02:51.38 | nick125 | Haha |
| 02:56.42 | nick125 | amanda@spitty /mnt/amanda/disk001/slots $ /usr/sbin/amdump DailySet1 |
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| 04:07.26 | maquis | goozbach: ping? |
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| 04:56.07 | maquis | ~seen ggundy |
| 04:56.09 | ibot | ggundy <n=ggundy@160.7.251.57> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 297d 9h 58m 47s ago, saying: 'Don't settle for anything less then Type 1'. |
| 04:56.47 | maquis | hmmm... guess this isn't the way to get ahold of him |
| 05:00.01 | atoponce | heh |
| 05:00.03 | atoponce | probably not |
| 05:03.29 | maquis | hrm... |
| 05:03.40 | maquis | why doesn't pg_connect exist? |
| 05:06.39 | vontrapp | because it doesn't want to |
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| 05:12.04 | fozzmo1 | maquis: Hi |
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| 05:34.21 | maquis | whoii |
| 05:51.34 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 05:59.50 | nick125 | Hmm. In a dual CPU mobo, you can run it with just one CPU, right? |
| 06:08.46 | levi_home | Usually, yes. |
| 06:09.13 | nick125 | Aah, I was pretty sure, but, just wanted to check. |
| 06:26.19 | Sargun | nick125, yeah |
| 06:26.36 | Sargun | I had a V4 running, and then I swapped out with a V8 |
| 07:21.04 | Sargun | Do you guys know if Xenon/Argon/Neon will react to radiation (e.g. emitting light?) |
| 07:28.42 | Sargun | Which wavelength of light do Photovoltaics respond best to? |
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| 13:44.43 | elg | is it memorial day coming up or labor day? |
| 13:44.56 | Yorokobi | Labor Day |
| 13:44.59 | atoponce | labor day |
| 13:50.08 | atoponce | want to see something beautiful? |
| 13:50.14 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 13:50.44 | Yorokobi | Not close enough to 0.00 though. |
| 13:51.00 | Yorokobi | Can stocks be worth less than $0? |
| 13:51.05 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 13:51.16 | ^Migs^ | that'd be cool, though |
| 13:51.36 | ^Migs^ | looks like now's the time to buy. The stock can only go up from here. |
| 13:52.14 | Yorokobi | Or disappear from the registry |
| 13:52.43 | atoponce | yeah. it'll get delisted for sure |
| 13:53.04 | Yorokobi | Maybe they'll move to the penny stocks |
| 13:53.40 | ^Migs^ | you could even buy the company |
| 13:54.21 | atoponce | heh. who would want to be tainted with that name? even if you change it |
| 13:54.27 | atoponce | bad karma |
| 13:55.53 | ^Migs^ | I'd turn it into a completely different kind of business |
| 13:56.07 | ^Migs^ | like a department store, or a restaurant chain |
| 14:04.15 | nick125 | haha |
| 14:04.28 | nick125 | Or maybe we should just let it die. |
| 14:12.02 | ^Migs^ | but I've always wanted to own a [formerly] multi-million dollar company. Now's my chance. |
| 14:12.46 | ^Migs^ | ~quote novell |
| 14:12.49 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 14:12.58 | ^Migs^ | ~quote novl |
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| 14:18.05 | sontek | I think after they get down to below $0.20 they get delisted |
| 14:18.25 | sontek | but I don't do stocks, I just remember reading that number somewhere |
| 14:18.54 | Yorokobi | They have to stay below the threshold for X number of days, but they can appeal and remain listed for a while longer. |
| 14:30.55 | maquis | ~quote scox |
| 14:30.56 | ^Migs^ | just stay under the radar, then come back with a BANG |
| 14:31.01 | maquis | heh |
| 14:31.25 | ^Migs^ | see, it's already going back up. We have to act NOW. |
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| 15:13.36 | levi | Good morning, all. |
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| 15:21.11 | ^Migs^ | http://www.colonblow.com/ |
| 15:24.57 | unum | there is such thing as an implied trade mark |
| 15:25.02 | unum | you don't need to register it |
| 15:26.02 | ^Migs^ | Targeting long-term waste can help address. |
| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | Headaches, Sinus pressure. |
| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | Fatigue, Lethargy, Potbelly. |
| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | Prolonged constipation. |
| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | Lack of energy, and poor sleep. |
| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | Skin problems, abdominal pain. |
| 15:26.05 | ^Migs^ | Bloating and difficult releases. |
| 15:26.08 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to get some and try it out |
| 15:26.18 | ^Migs^ | someone in another channel is saying it's about the best thing he's ever used |
| 15:26.21 | sontek | damn potbelly! |
| 15:26.23 | elg | not to mentino lose 10 pounds |
| 15:26.43 | elg | my grandparents had some lit on something like this (different company) for colon cleansing in their bathroom |
| 15:26.55 | elg | along with the usual vitamins-that-will-save-your-life lit |
| 15:27.18 | ^Migs^ | sounds great to me |
| 15:27.28 | elg | though that one had the sense to say you could preemptively strike by changing your eating and bathroom habits |
| 15:27.39 | elg | rather than "keep in mind you don't stop eating so buy our product forever" |
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| 15:29.09 | levi | Heh. I've seen some magazine articles on 'colon cleansing' vacations. |
| 15:29.36 | linuxalien | lol |
| 15:29.51 | Yorokobi | heh, I worked at a place (aptly named the "Fat farm") in St George that had a "cleansing" diet. |
| 15:30.10 | Yorokobi | s/named/nick-named/ |
| 15:30.23 | levi | It's complete and utter bunk, of course. |
| 15:31.26 | levi | When that stuff makes things come out, those things are more likely to be parts of your colon's lining than 'impacted food' or whatever they claim. |
| 15:31.59 | Yorokobi | nah, if its only an increase in fiber in the diet, nothing "extra" comes out. |
| 15:32.11 | Yorokobi | Are we seriously having a conversation about poo? |
| 15:32.12 | levi | If you're worried that you've got food impacted in your colon, go get a colonoscopy. |
| 15:32.29 | levi | Yorokobi: It's ^Migs^ fault. |
| 15:32.35 | Yorokobi | ~poo ^Migs^ |
| 15:32.36 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at ^Migs^ |
| 15:32.42 | ^Migs^ | this is important stuff |
| 15:32.50 | ^Migs^ | it's a conversation about health, not about "poo." |
| 15:33.10 | ^Migs^ | I think I'm going to get some Colonblow, then just start eating better, so my colon stays clean |
| 15:33.32 | linuxalien | Eat at McD's - you'll be on the crapper for hours afterwards |
| 15:33.51 | linuxalien | That'll flush things out, including about 4 inches of your intestines |
| 15:34.27 | ^Migs^ | I had a giant double cheeseburger from McD's yesterday. I haven't had a hamburger in a long time. |
| 15:34.38 | levi | Your colon is pretty good at keeping itself clean. |
| 15:34.54 | ^Migs^ | would you eat off it? |
| 15:35.39 | levi | That would be rather difficult, considering it is inside of me and not accessible to the normal food-eating implements. |
| 15:36.26 | elg | atoponce: oh no, you didn't mention "dselect". please say the http transmission was corrupted somehow |
| 15:37.28 | atoponce | heh |
| 15:37.37 | atoponce | i mentioned the application that should not be named |
| 15:37.55 | Yorokobi | Hey, dselect was the bomb until aptitude came about |
| 15:38.28 | levi | Yeah, the alternative was RedHat. :) |
| 15:38.57 | Yorokobi | RedHat wasn't an alternative until FC6 :) |
| 15:38.57 | levi | Or tarballs. |
| 15:39.06 | levi | Well, not a very good one, anyway. |
| 15:39.10 | Yorokobi | heh |
| 15:39.46 | levi | I tried out the first public release, but my computer really wasn't powerful enough to make much use of the fancy gui package tool. |
| 15:41.05 | sontek | RedHat is an alternative? blasphemy! |
| 15:41.48 | Yorokobi | Better than gentoo, sontek :D |
| 15:42.47 | elg | no, dselect was the bomb until apt came out |
| 15:42.59 | elg | apt-get alone was always better than dselect |
| 15:44.20 | sontek | Yorokobi: In what way? Gentoo has thousands of packages that RH doesn't, its documentation is better, and if you are a developer, you always have the dev libraries =) |
| 15:44.37 | levi | Hey, we're talking waaaay before Gentoo existed. |
| 15:45.01 | levi | You could do Debian, Slackware, RedHat, or Yggdrasil, I think. |
| 15:45.09 | levi | Maybe SuSE was around, too. |
| 15:45.12 | Yorokobi | It was |
| 15:45.20 | sontek | levi: well, my point still stands, RH as an alternative? BLASPHEMY! |
| 15:45.24 | sontek | :D |
| 15:45.29 | goozbach | sontek: I concur |
| 15:45.50 | elg | levi: don't forget caldera |
| 15:46.20 | levi | sontek: This is when RedHat first came out. It was worth looking at, at least. And remember, apt didn't exist yet. |
| 15:46.25 | levi | elg: Was Caldera pre-apt? |
| 15:47.38 | elg | well, when I came to debian apt was already though dselect was still part of the install |
| 15:47.43 | sinuhe | Yggdrasil isn't around anymore, nor has it been for awhile. The closest to it is Slackware. |
| 15:47.48 | elg | caldera was common but aged at the time |
| 15:48.02 | sontek | levi: I started in potato, I had apt =) |
| 15:48.05 | levi | Yeah, I'm talking about a bit earlier. |
| 15:48.10 | elg | it had kind of fallen from its glory days by then |
| 15:49.57 | levi | RedHat and Debian both started in '94. |
| 15:50.15 | levi | I think I was still using Slackware then. |
| 15:50.29 | levi | I installed SLS previous to that, I think. |
| 15:52.07 | levi | I guess March '95 was the first public release of Debian with dpkg |
| 15:53.01 | levi | And dselect first appeared in late '95. |
| 15:55.18 | levi | Apt didn't appear until Slink, v2.1, which was March of 1999. |
| 15:55.41 | levi | So, yeah, dselect was it for a long time. |
| 15:56.53 | rsimpkins | Brings back memories. |
| 15:57.15 | rsimpkins | I had an early career switch, so I didn't start until Debian 1.3 (bo). |
| 15:57.47 | levi | My memories of the early days are a bit fuzzy, but I clearly remember downloading the early floppy disk distros. :) |
| 15:58.32 | rsimpkins | While that was going on I was working in broadcasting and what we called (back them) 'new media.' |
| 15:59.14 | rsimpkins | That's how I ended up on an IT career track actually. |
| 15:59.33 | rsimpkins | So, at what stage are you considered 'old'? :) |
| 15:59.58 | rsimpkins | For my kids, anyone who even knows what a floppy is, is old. |
| 16:00.37 | ^Migs^ | seriously? |
| 16:00.52 | ^Migs^ | 5.25" or 3.5"? |
| 16:00.53 | Yorokobi | rsimpkins, which size of floppy? |
| 16:00.59 | Yorokobi | or th 7"-er? |
| 16:01.08 | ^Migs^ | lol, you're old, Yorokobi |
| 16:01.24 | ^Migs^ | that was before my time, at least |
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| 16:04.02 | ^Migs^ | why didn't Jaz drives ever catch on? |
| 16:04.09 | Yorokobi | ^Migs^, I'm not that old, I've just seen a few things in my day. |
| 16:04.16 | Yorokobi | Jaz drives were too slow |
| 16:04.16 | ^Migs^ | k oldie |
| 16:05.36 | bonez39 | I have a zip drive on my desk, but I rarely use it....I should fire it up and use it more.... |
| 16:05.47 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Because Jaz drives were only cost-effective for a couple of months. |
| 16:06.00 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 16:06.31 | ^Migs^ | I have a Jaz disk with a ton of stuff on it from, like, 10 years ago, but no Jaz drive |
| 16:06.37 | ^Migs^ | I'd like to see what's on there again |
| 16:06.39 | fozzmoo | And Jaz drives required a SCSI interface, which wasn't usually available in PCs. |
| 16:07.07 | levi | atoponce: You used 'bass-ackwards' in a blog post. You must die now. |
| 16:08.26 | sontek | ^Migs^: I think I have one at home if you need it |
| 16:08.33 | sontek | ^Migs^: I at least have some old zip drives |
| 16:08.38 | ^Migs^ | I have zip drives |
| 16:08.46 | ^Migs^ | and a bunch of zip disks I need to go through |
| 16:10.15 | levi | Man, a Voltron movie is in the works. I'm not sure how I feel about that. |
| 16:11.43 | fozzmoo | I'd feel a lot better about it if a Battle Of The Planets movie was in the works. |
| 16:13.17 | Yorokobi | Voltron reminds me of Gobots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GobotToys.jpg |
| 16:14.08 | ^Migs^ | so is Thundercats |
| 16:14.23 | ^Migs^ | we need a new He-Man movie |
| 16:14.50 | atoponce | we have one |
| 16:15.00 | atoponce | dolf lundgren stars in it |
| 16:15.39 | atoponce | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093507/ |
| 16:16.51 | levi | http://brain.lis.uiuc.edu:2323/opencms/export/sites/default/dhq/vol/001/2/000009.html |
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| 16:17.43 | sjansen | ~quote SCOX |
| 16:17.58 | sjansen | Man, I've been waiting all weekend to do that. :-) |
| 16:18.56 | ^Migs^ | that's why I said NEW he-man movie |
| 16:19.07 | ^Migs^ | because that one was so awesome, but today's generation needs one |
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| 16:34.44 | fozzmoo | ~seen herlo |
| 16:34.52 | ibot | herlo is currently on #ubuntu-utah (17h 11m 39s) #utah (17h 11m 39s) #uphpu (17h 11m 39s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 20m 30s, last said: 'Zelut: you didn't get one, get to work!!'. |
| 16:34.52 | fozzmoo | ~seen goozbach |
| 16:34.53 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah (3d 1h 17m 50s) #idlerpg (3d 1h 17m 50s) #lugot (3d 1h 17m 50s). Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 49m 24s, last said: 'sontek: I concur'. |
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| 17:06.33 | sjansen | Ding dong the Darl's dead. Which Darl? The wicked Darl. Ding dong the wicked Darl's dead. |
| 17:07.13 | rsimpkins | ~quote SCOX |
| 17:07.49 | rsimpkins | down 71%. hehe. |
| 17:08.17 | rsimpkins | Someone just made a lot of money off SCOX I'm sure. |
| 17:08.23 | rsimpkins | Great short potential. |
| 17:08.27 | sjansen | There should be some bounce in a few days, but it should be interesting to see if SCOX ever goes above $1 again. |
| 17:10.14 | rsimpkins | has there been any response from SCO at all regarding the ruling? |
| 17:10.53 | Yorokobi | rsimpkins, yep, groklaw.com has a copy/excerpt of it |
| 17:10.59 | sjansen | Yeah. http://sco.com/company/news/statement.html |
| 17:10.59 | rsimpkins | Thanks. |
| 17:11.17 | sjansen | Basically. "We're not dead yet. It's only a flesh wound." |
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| 17:13.35 | rsimpkins | I'm thinking our PR guy is happy not to be there today. :) |
| 17:14.30 | sjansen | I'd ask you to ask him for a statement, but if he has any style he'd just smile and change the topic. |
| 17:19.18 | elg | :-) what's for dinner? |
| 17:23.31 | sjansen | Spitted, roasted SCO in a light orange sauce. |
| 17:26.24 | Newsome | it was down under $0.60 even before trading began for the day :) |
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| 17:50.09 | Shadowwire | ~lart himself |
| 17:50.09 | ibot | beats himself to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 17:51.28 | Shadowwire | ~lart his |
| 17:51.28 | ibot | slaps his around with a large trout |
| 17:55.32 | ^Migs^ | ~quote scox |
| 17:59.17 | ^Migs^ | http://sc.tri-bit.com/Hitler_Melon |
| 17:59.28 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/who-brot-dis-into-mah-house.jpg |
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| 18:20.10 | herlo | fozzmoo: yes? |
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| 18:34.28 | findlay | ~lart stuff |
| 18:34.28 | ibot | hits stuff with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 18:41.02 | ^Migs^ | ~lart ibot |
| 18:41.02 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops ^migs^ in half |
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| 19:16.12 | rsimpkins | I like what Robert Merrill brought up at the PLUG meeting: "Good is the enemy of great." |
| 19:16.22 | rsimpkins | I've been thinking about that, it is very true. |
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| 19:22.38 | levi | Indeed. |
| 19:22.57 | levi | That's the primary beef that I have with C and Linux. |
| 19:23.46 | findlay | there is no great, only good |
| 19:23.58 | findlay | anyone who says differently is selling something |
| 19:24.32 | sjansen | findlay: Wanna buy a cheesecake? |
| 19:24.39 | sjansen | There is great. |
| 19:24.44 | moriancumer | mmmmmmm cheesecake |
| 19:24.54 | findlay | sjansen: does it have caloric and other nutritional value? |
| 19:25.16 | sjansen | There is great steak. Great cheesecake. Great gyros. Need I go on? |
| 19:25.33 | sjansen | PB&J == good |
| 19:25.47 | levi | findlay: One could rephrase it to say, "Good is the enemy of better," but that doesn't have quite the same ring to it. |
| 19:25.56 | rsimpkins | findlay: Jeremiah Peabody's Polyunsaturated Quick-Dissolving Fast-Acting Pleasant-Tasting Green and Purple Pills - now THOSE are great. |
| 19:26.00 | sjansen | gyros from this persian place I know near Portland == great |
| 19:26.20 | levi | mmm, gyros. |
| 19:28.12 | moriancumer | all right I have to go to lunch now. You've made me hungry |
| 19:32.15 | findlay | levi: well, I am feeling cynical though I'm not wholly given in to it |
| 19:40.22 | findlay | levi: also, there's an enemy on the other side. If you're always seeking to find the better, you'll never get anything done |
| 19:41.26 | sjansen | Perfect is the enemy of... no, that's quite right. I refuse to share my opinion until it's perfect. |
| 19:41.35 | findlay | heh |
| 19:52.02 | Jayce^ | ok folks, anyone wanting fun, mheath will be at the "Aliens in the Rockies" paintball game... and I have extra equipment :-p |
| 19:52.54 | goozbach | Jayce^: we need to schedule a game on or around UTOSC :) |
| 19:53.09 | Jayce^ | goozbach, the SPPL regionals are that weekend.. |
| 19:53.14 | Jayce^ | I'll be running from UTOS up to them |
| 19:53.30 | mrpull | Jayce^: i want to see pictures of the carnage |
| 19:53.41 | Jayce^ | mrpull, oh there will be pics :) |
| 19:54.53 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, you should come :) |
| 19:54.57 | fozzmoo | Indeed. |
| 19:55.08 | Jayce^ | couple hundred people |
| 19:55.19 | Jayce^ | play with neybar and I |
| 19:57.14 | redbeard2 | ~shoot Jayce^ |
| 19:57.14 | ibot | ACTION shoots Jayce^ in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 19:57.30 | redbeard2 | ~paintball Jayce^ |
| 19:57.31 | Jayce^ | c'mon redbeard2 you know you want to come |
| 19:57.35 | Jayce^ | ~paitn redbeard2 |
| 19:57.39 | Jayce^ | ~paint redbeard2 |
| 19:57.40 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on redbeard2 |
| 19:57.40 | fozzmoo | ow. |
| 19:58.07 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: i'll be out of town that day |
| 19:58.14 | Jayce^ | it's a weekend :) |
| 19:58.15 | redbeard2 | which day are you doing it, anyway? |
| 19:58.26 | Jayce^ | the ones you're in town for |
| 19:59.35 | redbeard2 | redbeard2: i'm going to boston for two weeks in a row, so i decided to just stay there for the weekend |
| 20:00.03 | Jayce^ | talking to yourself? |
| 20:00.13 | redbeard2 | s/redbeard/jayce^/ |
| 20:01.31 | Jayce^ | *snicker*... shows your regex skillz |
| 20:04.54 | Newsome | ~quote SCOX |
| 20:04.56 | RyanE | Jayce^: you really need to mount an IP controllable paintball gun. You'd get much more #utah partcipation that way... |
| 20:05.08 | Jayce^ | RyanE, you could help with that :) |
| 20:05.20 | Jayce^ | we've actually discussed some ways of doing it.... |
| 20:07.26 | RyanE | I'd imagine the fields you play on are too large for that to be viable. |
| 20:07.36 | Jayce^ | depends on the game.. |
| 20:07.43 | Jayce^ | and even the big ones would have their uses.. |
| 20:07.43 | RyanE | ... unless it were a rover platform.. Now *that* would be fun to design. |
| 20:07.47 | RyanE | like the old Tank Video game. |
| 20:07.52 | RyanE | BattleZone. |
| 20:08.01 | findlay | ~bzfrag rsimpkins |
| 20:08.01 | ibot | ACTION fries rsimpkins with a laser |
| 20:08.01 | Jayce^ | RyanE, there are paintball tank battles :) |
| 20:08.04 | findlay | ~bzfrag RyanE |
| 20:08.04 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill RyanE, but RyanE finds the shield flag |
| 20:08.13 | RyanE | automated tanks? |
| 20:08.40 | Jayce^ | not automated, but could be :) |
| 20:08.46 | RyanE | Jayce^: you're still talking about people being in those tanks... I'd do the wi-fi version... :) |
| 20:08.58 | Jayce^ | RyanE, exactly :) or hybrid.. |
| 20:12.03 | tensai | redbeard2: you know what day you're presenting at utos? |
| 20:12.25 | Jayce^ | iirc he's doing both |
| 20:21.59 | sontek | http://www.utosc.org/schedule/ |
| 20:22.04 | sontek | hes only listed on Friday |
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| 20:27.37 | findlay | how in SQL do you delete all entries in a table and all entries in other tables that refer to those entries? |
| 20:28.01 | findlay | I tried DELETE FROM table; but it complained that other stuff depended on it |
| 20:31.23 | sontek | findlay: You have to delete the rows in the referencing tables first, it wont do it for you |
| 20:31.35 | findlay | ok |
| 20:31.39 | findlay | thanks |
| 20:32.11 | RyanE | unless you have a DB that does cascading deletes, but there are performance hits for those that do, apparently, so people sometimes turn that off anyway. |
| 20:32.42 | sontek | findlay: There is a feature in SQL called cascade on delete, but it usually causes more problems because usually |
| 20:33.07 | sontek | usually when you are deleting rows its to fix a problem, not because of a business requirement |
| 20:33.19 | sontek | most people like to keep their rows and have a column that marks it as 'deleted' |
| 20:33.37 | RyanE | unless the business requirement is "we're being raided by the FBI... delete all data X..." :) |
| 20:33.54 | goozbach | hey folks, I'm looking for good resources to teach someone who is new to the whole "build process". any suggestions? |
| 20:33.57 | RyanE | yeah, for historicals, *all* data is handy to have. |
| 20:34.21 | goozbach | eg I want to setup a proper devel/qa/staging/production stack, and haven't the foggiest where to start |
| 20:34.22 | findlay | unless it's garbage data |
| 20:35.19 | RyanE | findlay: if somehow you've gotten garbage data in, you may have more things to worry about. |
| 20:37.13 | findlay | I do :) |
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| 20:40.50 | RyanE | findlay: good luck on your quest. |
| 20:41.26 | findlay | well, it's not that bad. It's only because I made some newbie mistakes designing this website |
| 20:42.07 | findlay | insomuch that when anyone visits a certain portion of the site junk data gets entered |
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| 20:44.58 | elg | ibot pokes Jayce^ |
| 20:50.29 | neybar | hey |
| 20:51.21 | Jayce^ | sick, hunh? |
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| 21:11.09 | levi | goozbach: Well, if you don't know, good luck teaching. ;) |
| 21:13.24 | goozbach | levi: that's why I want to learn it |
| 21:14.58 | levi | The thing I hate most about self-checkout lanes in stores is people who are absolutely clueless about using them and take FOREVER. |
| 21:16.23 | levi | goozbach: Well, I gather that there's a great variety of opinion on what a proper devel/qa/staging/production stack is. |
| 21:16.23 | findlay | me too |
| 21:17.12 | findlay | but I've gotten to the point that I'm about as fast as a good checker if nobody's in front of me |
| 21:17.35 | levi | findlay: Yeah, I usually go a lot faster than the silly voice prompts. |
| 21:17.41 | beandog | I think grocery stores should have checkout lines like the bank |
| 21:18.06 | goozbach | levi: I figured. I'm just looking for some ideas, some unified (across the company) is better than seven different ones |
| 21:18.12 | goozbach | and that's what we have now |
| 21:18.57 | levi | goozbach: Probably you'll want to survey the available tools and see what fits the way your developers work the best. Unless you're going to change the way they work, in which case you'd want to pick a methodology and then find tools to support it. |
| 21:20.09 | goozbach | levi: that's the plan, pick a methodology, and find/develop the tools for it, and force the developers to use it |
| 21:21.16 | levi | "Agile" methodologies seem to be the order of the day. |
| 21:21.45 | levi | I've recently talked to a couple of managers who have recently tried out scrum and have liked it. |
| 21:22.52 | goozbach | levi: see that's my problem, I don't even know the correct terminaogy, so I can't even google it. |
| 21:23.20 | levi | Well, there are some terms for you. Agile and Scrum. |
| 21:24.03 | goozbach | and I guess they are both types of "project management" |
| 21:24.20 | levi | You can also look through these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_development_philosophies |
| 21:31.11 | levi | Well, I guess you could say that, but they're not just about what the manager does, but how the entire team works. |
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| 22:12.28 | redbeard2 | tensai: friday |
| 22:15.29 | tensai | redbeard2: hmm. friday. I'm supposed to go on-call that day. I'll have to see what I can do. |
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| 22:26.16 | tensai | ~beano beandog |
| 22:32.32 | beandog | yo |
| 22:47.08 | rsimpkins | How many guys does SCO employ right now? |
| 22:48.03 | bonez39 | sco? are they still 'in business'? |
| 22:48.52 | Supaplex | speaking of sco, what's their stock worth, now that a judge rules Novell owns UNIX? |
| 22:49.05 | levi | Not much. |
| 22:49.14 | Supaplex | ~quote sco |
| 22:49.29 | levi | Well, more than that. |
| 22:49.32 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 22:49.33 | levi | It helps to use the right ticker id. |
| 22:49.48 | levi | ~quote SCOX |
| 22:49.52 | Supaplex | my bad. |
| 22:54.51 | Supaplex | sco will be but a wet spot on the landscape when countersuits start rolling back :P |
| 23:02.05 | Yorokobi | /c/c |
| 23:02.09 | Yorokobi | hah |
| 23:03.37 | beandog | anyone know where to pick up some low profile brackets, locally |
| 23:12.32 | tensai | scox is up .01 in after hours trading |
| 23:12.42 | tensai | it could be prime for a rebound |
| 23:19.31 | bonez39 | tensai: oh, mean....just mean...hehehhe |
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