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| 00:56.45 | vontrapp | anyone here know where the urug hacking night takes place? |
| 00:57.17 | Supaplex | south of idaho, north of arizona? |
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| 02:45.51 | Zelut | evening |
| 02:48.42 | sinuhe | evening |
| 02:49.32 | Supaplex | ahoy |
| 02:49.44 | Zelut | I'm trying to come up with a solution to requiring a password from a user based from a command line script. |
| 02:49.57 | Zelut | probem is the user isn't running the script, the script is launched by udev. |
| 02:50.24 | Supaplex | which stalls the password input? |
| 02:51.17 | Zelut | the script asks for the password but of course there is no terminal attached to that shell and no input will ever be given |
| 02:51.52 | Zelut | I was thinking maybe there was a way I could pass that command, or its expected input to a GUI prompt? |
| 02:52.09 | Supaplex | or env? |
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| 02:52.19 | Zelut | or maybe I should have the udev launched script actually launch within a newly created gnome-terminal so the user does see the prompt? |
| 02:52.25 | herlo | ehlo herlo.org |
| 02:53.50 | tensai | 550 herlo denied |
| 02:53.51 | Supaplex | but udev won't have $DISPLAY or the right mcookie etc. |
| 02:54.05 | Zelut | good point. |
| 02:54.22 | tensai | you could use expect to send the password to the script |
| 02:54.30 | Supaplex | what's this udev thingie for anyway? |
| 02:55.08 | tensai | ~onjoin -elg |
| 02:55.08 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 02:55.13 | Zelut | I'm testing a dm-crypt filesystem on a usb key and I'm trying to get udev to recognize and auto mount. |
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| 02:55.46 | Zelut | of course I could manually run the script, but udev-ing it would be a little more slick. |
| 02:55.54 | Supaplex | right |
| 02:56.25 | Zelut | but to unlock the filesystem for mounting I need the passphrase.. |
| 02:56.36 | Supaplex | you'd have to have two scripts. one to poll and interrupt the user when an event is received, and the other, to signal and wait |
| 02:57.05 | Supaplex | userspace : system |
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| 02:59.51 | Zelut | hmmm.. /me wonders if that might be beyond his scripting abilities. |
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| 03:31.55 | nick125 | I wish this guy called "Cron daemon" would quit emailing me :p |
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| 04:50.50 | Supaplex | nick125: blah &>/dev/null |
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| 06:01.51 | jsmith | Supaplex: I've been trying to do that for two hours now! |
| 06:02.01 | Supaplex | hahaa |
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| 06:06.06 | findlay | ~seen findlay |
| 06:06.07 | ibot | findlay is currently on #utah (18s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen findlay '. |
| 06:07.39 | Supaplex | ~smack findlay's forehead |
| 06:07.40 | ibot | ACTION smacks findlay's forehead upside the head. |
| 06:07.47 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:08.12 | Supaplex | looking for a quit msg or something? or just pinging the bot? (or are you really that bored?) |
| 06:16.14 | jsmith | ~cookie |
| 06:22.17 | jsmith | Supaplex: Yuck! I hope you threw it away! |
| 06:22.38 | Supaplex | you're still bitter over those huh? |
| 06:23.51 | Supaplex | works great for me |
| 06:25.49 | jsmith | Naw, just joking mostly |
| 06:25.57 | jsmith | I've never spent more than 10 minutes with one |
| 06:27.18 | Supaplex | too bad i only have a few. wish I had more. but they never show up on ebay anymore. *shrug* |
| 06:28.17 | jsmith | Oh, but there are plenty of X100P clones online :-p |
| 06:28.34 | Supaplex | they are the suck |
| 06:28.51 | jsmith | You ain't a kiddin' |
| 06:29.04 | jsmith | Anyhoo, it's time for me to crash... Been up for too many hours |
| 06:29.13 | Supaplex | laters |
| 06:29.37 | Supaplex | dream of X100P for clay pigeons ;) |
| 06:30.01 | jsmith | That's a great idea... if they were actuall RoHS compliant, I wouldn't feel guilt about shooting them. |
| 06:30.07 | jsmith | s/actuall/actually/ |
| 06:30.54 | jsmith | Hmmmn... shooting a bunch of lead at something that's environmentally unsafe because it contains.... (wait for it!) ... lead! |
| 06:31.31 | jsmith | Oh well, tonight's not the night for a tirade about circuit boards and steel shot... |
| 06:31.34 | Supaplex | steel shot? |
| 06:31.44 | jsmith | Can't hardly find lead shot any more |
| 06:31.55 | Supaplex | hehe you remembered just in time. :) |
| 06:32.51 | Supaplex | send any ixj'ers my way. I'll recycle em. =) |
| 06:49.29 | findlay | Supaplex: I was trying to figure out when I quit the channel |
| 06:49.43 | findlay | because my server crashed hard ... again |
| 06:50.45 | Supaplex | 12:25 -!- findlay [n=justin@67.137.24.115] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| 06:50.50 | findlay | hm |
| 06:50.59 | findlay | well, I'll investigate later |
| 06:51.07 | findlay | now it's time to sleep |
| 06:51.39 | findlay | and then I get to be awakened tomorrow morning by the lurid sound of the music from the guy downstairs |
| 06:51.49 | findlay | s/the music/drums/ |
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| 08:40.02 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 08:43.00 | Lakshmi | sleep? |
| 08:45.18 | Supaplex | someday |
| 08:48.07 | Lakshmi | why not now? |
| 09:07.40 | Supaplex | because I said so :) |
| 09:27.05 | klys | shadowwire: I was up this late! |
| 09:27.45 | klys | glad to see people staying tuned |
| 09:27.54 | Supaplex | uhhuh. |
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| 14:57.07 | elg | vmware on linux over NX - almost as good as the real thing and a whole lot cheaper :) |
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| 15:07.55 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:09.00 | levi | Good morning, by the way. |
| 15:09.33 | Jayce^ | morning |
| 15:09.46 | beandog | levi: was that you who was gonna buy the hdhomerun |
| 15:09.55 | levi | I did buy it. |
| 15:10.00 | beandog | did you get it yet |
| 15:10.03 | levi | Yup. |
| 15:10.05 | levi | It works great. |
| 15:10.14 | levi | mythtv seems to have some issues with it, though. |
| 15:10.15 | beandog | what does it do |
| 15:10.50 | elg | hmm. this would work better if the keyboard mapping wasn't all screwed up |
| 15:10.55 | RyanE | levi: what kind of issues does myth have with it? |
| 15:10.56 | levi | It has two OTA/Clear Cable HD tuners and it streams the mpeg traffic it picks up over the network. |
| 15:11.19 | levi | RyanE: There are a couple of channels that I can get via its command line interface and vlc, but not via myth. |
| 15:11.31 | levi | The Fox and ION network channels. |
| 15:11.49 | levi | I'm not sure whether it's my configuration or an issue with mythtv yet, though. |
| 15:12.05 | beandog | huh |
| 15:12.07 | beandog | that's cool. |
| 15:12.12 | beandog | how much was it |
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| 15:24.31 | levi | I think it was around $150. |
| 15:25.08 | RyanE | levi: how big are the files / hour? |
| 15:25.36 | levi | RyanE: Depends on what mode they're broadcast in. |
| 15:25.42 | RyanE | I suppose that depends on whether it's 720 or 1080... |
| 15:25.45 | levi | The 1080i ones are pretty big. |
| 15:25.47 | RyanE | typing too slow this AM... |
| 15:26.00 | levi | There are a lot of 480i digital streams that it picks up, too. |
| 15:26.13 | levi | Pretty much all the local channels also broadcast in digital. |
| 15:26.15 | beandog | thats sweet |
| 15:26.17 | beandog | yah |
| 15:26.28 | beandog | I get 5 local channels in HD here just over cable. |
| 15:27.35 | levi | I get something like 11 digital channels. A few of them are duplicates, where one is SD and one is HD, and some are multiple streams from the same broadcaster. |
| 15:34.38 | levi | RyanE: Although the files are pretty big, big hard drives are fairly cheap. As long as you're not planning on leaving a ton of programs sitting around in a HD MPEG2 format you should be okay with something like a 250G drive. |
| 15:35.31 | RyanE | levi: I already have around 300G on my MythTV box... :) |
| 15:35.57 | RyanE | but I only have cable, and OTA reception in east Highland is not great, so I haven't opted to take the HD jump yet. |
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| 15:36.05 | levi | Oh, well, if you're going to be a packrat, you could run into issues with HD feeds. They're amazing, though. |
| 15:36.22 | levi | I guess the point of the mountain probably obscures the antennas a bit there, eh? |
| 15:36.32 | levi | broadcast antennas, I mean. |
| 15:36.34 | RyanE | yeah, I bittorrent HD feeds from the UK TV programs. |
| 15:36.35 | RyanE | yeah. |
| 15:40.24 | RyanE | If I wanted to build a 300' TV tower, I could probably get good reception. :) Of course, that probably violates airspace... |
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| 16:09.41 | levi | elg: What did you conquer? |
| 16:16.10 | tensai | wow. that hdhomerun looks pretty cool. |
| 16:16.14 | levi | I think if I'd gone much further west, I'd have my reception blocked too, but I get really good signal from the Farnsworth Peak towers. |
| 16:16.26 | levi | tensai: It is a slick gadget. |
| 16:16.42 | tensai | two tuners at that price, that's hard to beat |
| 16:16.55 | levi | And they're not limited to only serving one computer, too. |
| 16:16.59 | tensai | and in a dedicated device, thus saving cpu |
| 16:17.56 | tensai | does that mean I could attach one antenna to both inputs? or would I need two antennas? |
| 16:18.21 | levi | I'm very happy with it, I'm just annoyed at mythtv right now for being stubborn about displaying a couple of channels. |
| 16:18.40 | levi | tensai: The one I bought came with a splitter and a couple short lengths of RG6. |
| 16:21.13 | levi | I plugged it into some rabbit ears with a UHF loop, stuck the antenna on top of my computer hutch, and I get signal percentage in the high 90s for most channels. |
| 16:21.19 | beandog | levi: what version you running |
| 16:21.28 | levi | beandog: Of mythtv? |
| 16:21.33 | beandog | yah |
| 16:21.56 | levi | I'm not sure, it's the latest one in Ubuntu. |
| 16:25.12 | elg | levi: vmware over nx from os |
| 16:25.13 | elg | x |
| 16:26.44 | levi | Ah, ok. I thought you'd already got that working. |
| 16:31.38 | elg | i thought I had, until I tried to use the keyboard : |
| 16:32.03 | levi | Heh. :) |
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| 17:00.02 | Shadowwire | anyone know of a good way to back up a server over a Lan? |
| 17:00.12 | Shadowwire | r |
| 17:00.15 | Shadowwire | asdfjakljf |
| 17:00.22 | Shadowwire | ops |
| 17:03.29 | tensai | bacula works pretty well |
| 17:04.14 | Tene | bacula is a good choice in many situations. |
| 17:05.23 | tensai | tar + scp can work in some cases |
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| 17:11.29 | elg | backuppc |
| 17:11.45 | Tene | rsync |
| 17:11.59 | elg | dd + netcat |
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| 17:24.12 | Shadowwire | What are the positives and nevatives for each of these/ |
| 17:24.25 | Shadowwire | ? |
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| 17:38.02 | Tene | Shadowwire: perhaps you should mention the important issues to you about backup. |
| 17:49.05 | Shadowwire | I need something that can backup multiple servers over a lan. I need to be abloe to do both unix and nt. |
| 17:49.32 | tensai | how often? how many revisions do you need to keep? |
| 17:49.49 | Tene | I'm not sure if bacula can backup NT boxes or not. |
| 17:49.53 | tensai | it can |
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| 17:50.11 | tensai | the client is fully supported. the director and storage daemon work, but aren't guaranteed |
| 17:50.19 | Shadowwire | The site said that it can |
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| 17:50.35 | Shadowwire | However it also said that its setup was fairly complex. |
| 17:50.49 | Shadowwire | Simple is beter for me. |
| 17:52.27 | Shadowwire | It also need to kep the file structure intact. |
| 17:52.55 | Shadowwire | Missed an "E" there. (Keep) |
| 17:55.59 | tensai | bacula will maintain file structure, even on NT |
| 17:56.20 | Shadowwire | Nice. |
| 17:56.23 | tensai | it is complicated to set up, but not excessively. I figured it out, so it can't be too bad. |
| 17:56.24 | elg | goozbach: people keep asking me if xen doesn't work on osx. My thought is, "why would it?" but maybe I don't know enough about xen. Is there any reason to think it might work? |
| 17:57.38 | Shadowwire | We use Intuit Eclipes, and the file structure ropes off a finite amount of space for each individual file. |
| 17:58.03 | Shadowwire | Defraging destroys the file structure. |
| 17:59.15 | elg | backuppc is simple. no client needed (just ssh key auth) |
| 17:59.29 | Shadowwire | Sorry. More specificly, we use Eclipse as our POS software. We have a server dedicated to it. |
| 17:59.42 | elg | or smb |
| 17:59.50 | Shadowwire | Backuppc? Ill check it out. |
| 18:00.29 | Shadowwire | anyone heard of Availl? |
| 18:00.59 | tensai | defragging destroys the file structure? sounds to me like you should run, not walk, away from that software. |
| 18:02.08 | Shadowwire | Were moving to a Unix server. The software is very different fot Unix than it is for NT. |
| 18:02.17 | herlo | tensai: what product is that? |
| 18:02.31 | Shadowwire | Eclipse. |
| 18:02.38 | tensai | herlo: Shadowwire's Intuit Eclipse |
| 18:03.06 | herlo | eclipse? as in the IDE? |
| 18:03.17 | tensai | no. point of sale |
| 18:03.32 | herlo | whew! |
| 18:03.47 | Shadowwire | I deal with it every day. And Im terrified! |
| 18:04.19 | Shadowwire | Someone in the company calls support about every 2 hrs. |
| 18:04.21 | herlo | I saw eclipse and wondered how it would destroy fs structure |
| 18:04.28 | tensai | reminds me of a story I heard about a mail server. might have been qmail. it linked the message body to the message header with the inode rather than a file name (which presumably saves some 10s of milliseconds) |
| 18:04.59 | Shadowwire | Sounds problematic. |
| 18:05.09 | tensai | not knowing this, friend of mine moves the spool to a different disk and fires off the queue |
| 18:05.22 | tensai | mail that day was interesting |
| 18:05.51 | Shadowwire | Pobably filled his voicemail quickly. |
| 18:07.18 | Shadowwire | I had a user ask me to install MS office today. She sent me the message through Outlook 2003. |
| 18:07.56 | Shadowwire | It was already there. She just didnt know how to find anything that wasnt on the desktop. |
| 18:08.47 | goozbach | elg: xen *ON* osx I don't think would work as dom0 needs to be para-virt |
| 18:09.20 | goozbach | running OSX *UNDER* xen should be possible using fully-virt |
| 18:10.04 | herlo | Shadowwire: I'm just glad its not *my* eclips |
| 18:10.05 | herlo | e |
| 18:10.44 | Shadowwire | its nice when it works. |
| 18:11.05 | herlo | Shadowwire: but it sounds like it regularly doesn't work |
| 18:11.12 | Shadowwire | true |
| 18:12.10 | Shadowwire | actually it does Point of sale very well. What it doesnt do well is everything else that they have programed in. |
| 18:12.49 | tensai | yup. sounds like a quality product all right. |
| 18:13.21 | tensai | all it needs now is a fancy sticker that says Enterprise Grade |
| 18:14.25 | Shadowwire | It costs us 2500 per licence and we have 32. |
| 18:18.28 | Shadowwire | Anyone here heard of Availl |
| 18:18.30 | Shadowwire | ? |
| 18:20.22 | tensai | what are the other features which don't really work? |
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| 18:24.56 | Shadowwire | E-mailing/faxing invoices. |
| 18:25.20 | nick125_treo | people still use faxes? |
| 18:25.25 | elg | unfortunately |
| 18:25.52 | Shadowwire | Faxes are a pain in the A**. Especialy on VOIP. |
| 18:26.11 | nick125_treo | definitely on voip |
| 18:26.48 | Shadowwire | Some days I just want to shoot the people at shoretel. |
| 18:26.56 | Shadowwire | ~lart shoretel |
| 18:26.56 | ibot | steals shoretel's mojo |
| 18:30.47 | elg | goozbach: running xen on osx is what I was referring to |
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| 18:47.29 | RyanE | 2/clear |
| 18:47.31 | RyanE | heh |
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| 18:51.14 | goozbach | redbeard2: you are getting your pictures ganked: http://photo.pileofphotos.com/ffcookie.html |
| 18:55.10 | goozbach | it was dugg too |
| 18:55.27 | redbeard2 | goozbach: thanks for the heads-up man |
| 18:55.31 | goozbach | http://digg.com/health/Firefox_Cookies_PIC -- but I and someone else posted your site |
| 18:57.20 | goozbach | maybe you should watermark your images |
| 18:57.27 | goozbach | at least they aren't hotlinking you |
| 18:57.40 | goozbach | or "too bad" they aren't hotlinking you |
| 18:57.49 | goozbach | then you could goatse them |
| 18:58.34 | redbeard2 | goozbach: they were hotlinking my images. i saw that link in my stats a few weeks ago. |
| 19:03.23 | findlay | most of our core business still comes in over fax |
| 19:03.39 | findlay | that is until we have a web interface up for customers to order stuff |
| 19:03.53 | findlay | well, I guess that's my job |
| 19:04.45 | tensai | don't your competitors have websites? your customers could just use those. nice and easy. |
| 19:05.18 | findlay | I'm not too worried about that, personally |
| 19:05.31 | findlay | seeing that most websites out there are ugly amalgamations of garbage |
| 19:06.05 | findlay | then again, I guess there are also people (customers) out there that wouldn't/don't care |
| 19:06.24 | Shadowwire | findlay: what do you sell? |
| 19:06.39 | findlay | souveniers and a smattering of promotional stuff |
| 19:06.43 | tensai | sometimes I'm amazed at the low quality standards that most people have |
| 19:06.44 | findlay | stuff you don't really need |
| 19:06.48 | findlay | :) |
| 19:07.28 | Shadowwire | No web site? |
| 19:07.29 | findlay | so we sell to places like gift shops and franchise conveinence stores |
| 19:07.35 | Shadowwire | I see. |
| 19:08.07 | goozbach | redbeard2: then you SHOULD switcheroo em |
| 19:08.15 | findlay | heh |
| 19:08.32 | goozbach | and it'll benifit you to learn about mod_rewrite |
| 19:08.37 | findlay | what would be funniest to switch on them? |
| 19:09.18 | goozbach | well funniest would be goatse |
| 19:09.24 | goozbach | but that's really in bad taste |
| 19:09.35 | findlay | yeah, something new, something clever |
| 19:10.55 | findlay | you could photoshop them into opera or IE cookies |
| 19:11.07 | findlay | s/photoshop/gimp/ |
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| 19:14.14 | findlay | Shadowwire: http://www.gocastlerock.com/ and http://castlerockpromotions.com/ |
| 19:15.04 | Jayce^ | c'mon findlay mod_rewrite is good for you.. will put hair on your chest.. |
| 19:15.14 | sinuhe | elg: With vim 7, my number indent (for set number) indents 5 characters (4 with two digit). I want a single character indent, with expansion outward, not inward (i.e. the single space remains, even if the number expands: 1, 10, 100, 1000, etc.) Any ideas? |
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| 19:22.12 | Shadowwire | Hey check out http://www.swplumb.com/ tell me what you think. |
| 19:23.02 | findlay | the scrolling title is a little w4r3z-ish |
| 19:24.46 | elg | i don't use line numbers, so I don't know |
| 19:25.32 | Supaplex | Shadowwire: looks normal in elinks |
| 19:25.37 | findlay | heh |
| 19:27.02 | calvarez | I'll in Utah on Sunday :) |
| 19:27.05 | calvarez | I miss it |
| 19:27.23 | Shadowwire | Where are you now? |
| 19:27.28 | calvarez | Atlanta |
| 19:27.30 | levi | I would miss it for the Greek burgers. |
| 19:27.42 | Shadowwire | So, Hows the weather? |
| 19:27.45 | calvarez | HOT |
| 19:27.50 | calvarez | freakin HOT |
| 19:27.54 | calvarez | ~100 |
| 19:28.03 | Shadowwire | Humid? |
| 19:28.09 | calvarez | yes, yuck |
| 19:28.16 | calvarez | it's like a sauna out there |
| 19:28.21 | calvarez | heat advisory on TV |
| 19:28.28 | levi | It was freakin HOT here, but it's mellowed out a bit. Should be hot again by this weekend, though, but fortunately much drier than Hotlanta. |
| 19:28.36 | calvarez | I prefer dry heat over wet heat |
| 19:28.44 | Shadowwire | me oo |
| 19:28.46 | Shadowwire | too |
| 19:29.18 | Supaplex | i perfer chocolate |
| 19:29.47 | calvarez | I prefer Macs |
| 19:29.48 | calvarez | :) |
| 19:30.10 | levi | I prefer Lisp! ;) |
| 19:30.29 | findlay | it's 301 here |
| 19:30.38 | findlay | 301 K, that is |
| 19:30.44 | Shadowwire | What do you think of this site? http://www.plumbersstock.com/ ? |
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| 19:30.56 | calvarez | Macs > Lisp |
| 19:31.01 | calvarez | Macs >> Lisp |
| 19:31.08 | Shadowwire | 301 degrees kelvin? |
| 19:31.16 | findlay | s/degrees // |
| 19:31.21 | levi | calvarez: I use both! |
| 19:31.22 | calvarez | no, 301-Degrees Kevin, the new rapper |
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| 19:31.39 | calvarez | kindof like Eminem, but lamer |
| 19:31.44 | findlay | there's no superfluous degrees thing with kelvin |
| 19:31.49 | calvarez | levi, you use a rapper? |
| 19:31.51 | Shadowwire | you mean wrapper? |
| 19:32.04 | calvarez | you mean whopper? |
| 19:32.16 | findlay | Shadowwire: what do you have to do with these plumbing sites? |
| 19:32.21 | levi | calvarez: No. |
| 19:32.22 | Shadowwire | Dont remind me how hungry i am. |
| 19:33.04 | Shadowwire | I had a hand in creating them. |
| 19:33.16 | calvarez | Shadowwire, what about a toasted Swiss n' Bacon sub? |
| 19:33.22 | levi | Why must the plumber be fat? Aren't there some slender plumbers? |
| 19:33.25 | findlay | Shadowwire: they're not bad |
| 19:33.30 | Shadowwire | Quit it! quit it! |
| 19:33.41 | Shadowwire | I didnt do the commic. |
| 19:33.48 | calvarez | Shadowwire, one word: pasta |
| 19:33.57 | Shadowwire | Da*n you.. |
| 19:34.02 | calvarez | :) |
| 19:34.05 | Shadowwire | :) |
| 19:34.07 | calvarez | my work is done here |
| 19:34.21 | Shadowwire | I think Ill go to the pasta factory for lunch. |
| 19:34.26 | calvarez | I'm going to go eat some |
| 19:34.42 | Shadowwire | I thought your work here was done? |
| 19:34.52 | Shadowwire | Rats. |
| 19:35.09 | findlay | rats? With cheese? |
| 19:35.30 | findlay | Shadowwire: http://www.plumbersstock.com/browse.html?drillId=9 |
| 19:35.31 | findlay | :) |
| 19:35.52 | findlay | that's a nicely indented piece of code |
| 19:36.34 | levi | Bah, too much whitespace. |
| 19:36.39 | findlay | although I'm sure plumbers browsing the site are that interested in the code :) |
| 19:36.56 | Shadowwire | thanks |
| 19:37.24 | Shadowwire | both sites get info directly from our POS POS software. |
| 19:37.33 | Shadowwire | Of rather will. |
| 19:37.45 | Shadowwire | swplumb.com already does. |
| 19:40.33 | Tene | http://recaptcha.net/learnmore.html |
| 19:42.47 | findlay | that plug thread is funny |
| 19:43.30 | findlay | Shadowwire: did you use any commerce framework or code the sites fron scratch? |
| 19:44.40 | Shadowwire | First, Let me be honest. Someone else did the coding. However there is a heavily modified framework for swplumb.com. |
| 19:45.43 | findlay | hm |
| 19:46.20 | Shadowwire | The framework provided did about half of what we wanted. |
| 19:46.22 | findlay | well I always find it's best not to have to start fron scratch |
| 19:46.38 | Shadowwire | plumbersstock is from scratch |
| 19:46.56 | Shadowwire | and a work in progress, as you can tell. |
| 19:48.14 | levi | http://chneukirchen.org/blog/graphics/irc-map.png |
| 19:48.21 | levi | Poor, lonely #ada |
| 19:52.16 | findlay | what does it mean? |
| 19:53.31 | Supaplex | hehehee |
| 19:53.45 | Supaplex | no love for ada. |
| 19:55.19 | levi | It's a map showing how many people in common different freenode language channels have. |
| 19:55.32 | levi | I think the size of the node represents the number of people in the channel, too. |
| 19:56.16 | beandog | hmm |
| 19:56.17 | beandog | that is cool |
| 19:56.28 | Tene | the width of the lines shows how many members are in both channels. |
| 19:56.52 | findlay | and the length shows the direction of the market |
| 19:57.21 | Tene | And the angle shows the altitude. |
| 19:57.40 | findlay | while the color tells you what Tene ate for lunch |
| 19:57.50 | Tene | I had no lunch today... |
| 19:57.58 | findlay | hence: no color |
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| 20:33.05 | MSC386 | sinuhe, you there? |
| 20:34.23 | Tene | He's not at his laptop. |
| 20:34.33 | Tene | Want I should go throw something at him? |
| 20:34.52 | elg | i want you should put green jello on his chair |
| 20:34.58 | findlay | I bet he's not at his holographic interface either |
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| 20:36.48 | MSC386_ | Is Sinuhe on the road again? |
| 20:37.25 | findlay | ~jello sinuhe |
| 20:37.41 | elg | gosh, I don't even know who sinuhe is, and everyone's asking for him |
| 20:37.57 | elg | where have I been? |
| 20:38.11 | elg | ~echo |
| 20:38.11 | ibot | echo is, like, an issue which can be best fixed using this link: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/content/docbook/current/docs-html/x1695.html#AEN1718, or fixed with fxotune: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+fxotune, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PCI+bus+Troubleshooting, or of ... |
| 20:38.14 | findlay | ~where has elg been? |
| 20:39.07 | MSC386_ | He's kind of a popular guy.... |
| 20:39.08 | MSC386_ | elg, I don;t know... |
| 20:39.08 | MSC386_ | Maybe you went and got away from it all? |
| 20:39.41 | findlay | I think windows hates me |
| 20:39.51 | MSC386_ | Windows hates all of us.... |
| 20:39.59 | MSC386_ | It's Evil.... |
| 20:40.04 | Tene | MSC386_: he's not on the road... he's in town this week. |
| 20:40.21 | MSC386_ | An aspect of the Dark Side of the Force... |
| 20:40.27 | findlay | everything I try to do with it just gets rewarded with a cryptic set of error paragraphs in strict MS-knows-better-than-you prose |
| 20:40.30 | MSC386_ | Thanks, Tene.... |
| 20:40.39 | MSC386_ | Yup. |
| 20:40.48 | RyanE | what interview question would you ask of a programmer hire? |
| 20:41.07 | sinuhe | I return. Apparently, no one bothered checking my away message. |
| 20:41.19 | findlay | how do I do that? |
| 20:41.25 | MSC386_ | Hmmm.... What experience d you have, stuff like that. |
| 20:41.34 | sinuhe | "/whois sinuhe" will display the away message. |
| 20:41.38 | elg | RyanE: what day is it? |
| 20:41.50 | MSC386_ | Wed. |
| 20:42.01 | RyanE | elg: so you basically hire warm-blooded employees? |
| 20:42.23 | MSC386_ | Sinuhe, I'm in SBUG. |
| 20:42.24 | elg | you didn't ask for my decision process |
| 20:42.55 | sinuhe | msc386_: You really should register with freenode. It's not hard and makes life easy. |
| 20:43.26 | Supaplex | sbug? |
| 20:43.39 | MSC386_ | Long Story... |
| 20:43.49 | sinuhe | Supaplex: At one point, I ran Sinuhe's BSD User Group. |
| 20:43.53 | Supaplex | it's four charaters. |
| 20:44.01 | Supaplex | ahh there we go. thanks. |
| 20:44.05 | findlay | sinuhe: I guess I'm just not as versed in all the proper modes of protocol as you are, being a GNU member and all. I'm just a random guy who stumbled into this cyberworld |
| 20:44.08 | findlay | :) |
| 20:44.40 | MSC386_ | Okay, not that long a story. |
| 20:44.40 | MSC386_ | Don't feel bad. |
| 20:45.22 | Supaplex | findlay: gnu? haha. speak for yourself. :P I was very lazy until I added freenode to my ~/.irssi/config |
| 20:45.28 | Supaplex | now it's automagical. yay. |
| 20:45.41 | findlay | ~gnu Supaplex |
| 20:46.09 | MSC386_ | "automagical"... I've gotta remember that one. |
| 20:46.15 | sinuhe | msc386_: You can find directions for registration here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 20:47.20 | MSC386_ | Can't seem to get there.... Traffic is slow. |
| 20:48.57 | MSC386_ | The site is timing out for some reason. |
| 20:49.18 | sinuhe | msc386: Type "/msg nickserv register <password> *after* "/nick msc386" |
| 20:49.41 | sinuhe | msc386: After that, you can set your email address, etc., following the instructions from the URL I gave you. |
| 20:50.37 | findlay | and use pwn3d as your password |
| 20:50.53 | MSC386_ | Still can't get there.... |
| 20:52.26 | sinuhe | msc386_: The rest is not essential, but probably important to avoid problems. Just type the two commands I gave you, and you should be good to go. |
| 20:52.42 | Supaplex | ~pwn findlay |
| 20:52.43 | ibot | ACTION logs into the machine findlay is sitting at and pulls a fast one. |
| 20:53.02 | findlay | hey, where'd one of my fast ones go? |
| 20:53.18 | Supaplex | ask ibot :P |
| 20:53.23 | findlay | ibot? |
| 20:54.21 | sinuhe | ~ibot |
| 20:54.22 | ibot | well, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
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| 21:02.03 | mrpull | in the spirit of TIMTOWTDI ... i'm looking for alternate solutions to a simple shell question |
| 21:03.01 | findlay | ~bash Supaplex |
| 21:03.02 | ibot | ACTION beats Supaplex with ksh |
| 21:03.10 | mrpull | let's hear suggestions to print all but the last 5 lines of a text file |
| 21:03.23 | mrpull | my solution seems far to complex to be the best one... |
| 21:03.23 | findlay | tail -n 5 txt.file |
| 21:03.37 | Supaplex | ~glasses findlay |
| 21:03.46 | findlay | head -n -5 txt.file |
| 21:03.47 | mrpull | findlay: that gives me the last five right? |
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| 21:04.29 | Supaplex | head -n -5 file.txt |
| 21:04.36 | mrpull | i'll look at the man page to see what a negative number does to the -n parameter |
| 21:04.42 | Razor001 | Sinuhe, I'm back... |
| 21:04.54 | Razor001 | Still having problems.... |
| 21:04.57 | findlay | Supaplex: it/s txt.file :) |
| 21:05.14 | Supaplex | send me your copy findlay ;) |
| 21:05.47 | mrpull | sweet. that is what i'm after. i got really creative with wc and shell arithmetic and new there must be a better way. |
| 21:05.51 | sinuhe | Razor001: From the comcast address, I'd assume that Razor is your alternate msc386 persona? |
| 21:05.55 | Razor001 | Razor001 = MSC386 |
| 21:06.03 | Razor001 | It is. |
| 21:06.05 | mrpull | now to see if that is only a GNU extension |
| 21:06.19 | Razor001 | I'm on another system using VNC. |
| 21:06.22 | findlay | I belive it's a recent development |
| 21:06.49 | sinuhe | Razor001: Your server has got quite a lag time. Did you need me to repaste the command for you? |
| 21:07.35 | Supaplex | mrpull: tail doesn't seem to respond the same way though. :-/ |
| 21:07.37 | Razor001 | The lag time has been geting worse for some reason. Yet, ping's are fast. |
| 21:08.05 | sinuhe | Razor001: Start with "/nick msc386" |
| 21:08.12 | findlay | Razor001: it's the fbi |
| 21:08.14 | Jayce^ | why not just use tail instead of head... |
| 21:08.18 | Jayce^ | tail -5 file.txt |
| 21:08.42 | findlay | that's the last 5, not not the last 5 |
| 21:10.27 | mrpull | it looks like head in solaris cant do negative numbers |
| 21:10.43 | Supaplex | Jayce^: < mrpull> ... print all *but* the last 5 lines |
| 21:11.27 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.57 | Yorokobi | GNU/OpenSolaris aka Nexenta << not really worth using except as a toy ATM IMO |
| 21:13.47 | Supaplex | mrpull: tac md5sums.txt | (for a in $(seq 1 5); do read ; done ; tac) |
| 21:14.05 | mrpull | heheh... tac isn't on the machine :) |
| 21:14.14 | mrpull | that was my first thought |
| 21:14.26 | findlay | but, you have PERL? |
| 21:14.50 | mrpull | i am avoiding perl even if it is the best solution |
| 21:14.59 | mrpull | just for the sake of this discussion |
| 21:15.02 | Supaplex | awk? |
| 21:15.12 | findlay | assembly? |
| 21:16.09 | Razor001 | sinuhe were you logged on my server? |
| 21:16.15 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.29 | Razor001 | awk is not a assembly. It is a high-level scripting language for formatting output. |
| 21:16.35 | mrpull | is the silly version I came up with |
| 21:16.41 | Razor001 | Among other things. |
| 21:16.48 | mrpull | i figured there _had_ to be a better way |
| 21:16.55 | sinuhe | Razor001: Yes. |
| 21:16.57 | Yorokobi | ~sarcasm Razor001 |
| 21:16.59 | mrpull | of course that is before pulling out the perl toolbelt |
| 21:17.15 | Razor001 | Reason? |
| 21:17.20 | Yorokobi | oh, (i|j)bot needs a sarcasm command |
| 21:17.30 | Razor001 | Perl... Yup. |
| 21:17.55 | Razor001 | I don't know he mightbe depressed. |
| 21:20.04 | Supaplex | mrpull: I know tac isn't installed, but I refactored on a thought. tac md5sums.txt | (head -n 5>/dev/null;tac) |
| 21:20.34 | moriancumer | now that I have registered with freenode what is the command to start irssi to connect to freenode as my new registered nick and join 3 groups? |
| 21:20.36 | sinuhe | Razor001: After you have the nick you want, type "/msg nickserv register <password>". You should then see +ei next to your username, showing its registration. |
| 21:20.56 | findlay | that sounds so wasteful, needlessly throwing all those n lines into the bit bucket without even using them |
| 21:23.50 | sinuhe | moriancumer: You can save your existing session configuration from within irssi. Once you have things how you want them, just save it. |
| 21:24.03 | Supaplex | uhm the refactor is a botch. > steals all input. |
| 21:25.11 | Yorokobi | Supaplex, try 5 >/dev/null instead of 5>/dev/null |
| 21:25.19 | Supaplex | I did. |
| 21:25.36 | Supaplex | but yes, 5> would take fd 5. |
| 21:26.20 | moriancumer | sinuhe: how do I save it? |
| 21:27.09 | Supaplex | Yorokobi: test was only 5 lines, but nothing on stdout. tac md5sums.txt | ((head -n 5 >test); tac) |
| 21:27.31 | mrpull | so if perl is not out of the question... |
| 21:27.47 | Supaplex | I thought playing with the second subshell might help. but no diff. |
| 21:27.51 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.59 | moriancumer | is it '/layout save' |
| 21:28.08 | moriancumer | or just '/save' |
| 21:28.08 | mrpull | (that's gotta be fouled up somewhere) |
| 21:30.56 | sinuhe | moriancumer: just "/save" |
| 21:31.23 | sinuhe | moriancumer: "/help save" will give you more details. |
| 21:31.38 | moriancumer | So once I save I just start irssi and I auto connect to freenode and the I'm joined to my sessions? |
| 21:31.42 | moriancumer | thanx |
| 21:33.49 | calvarez | moriancumer, or make your life easier ad use xchat |
| 21:33.53 | calvarez | and* |
| 21:34.57 | moriancumer | calvarez: can't using ssh |
| 21:35.32 | mrpull | moriancumer: ssh isn't a barrier to using xchat in many environments |
| 21:35.42 | mrpull | (not that i'm recommending xchat over irssi) |
| 21:36.03 | mrpull | moriancumer: are you familiar with forwarding X over SSH? |
| 21:36.07 | findlay | mrpull: face it, remote graphical interfaces just aren't cool :-) |
| 21:36.29 | mrpull | findlay: i don't know what cool is. i'm sitting at a vista GUI right now. |
| 21:36.33 | Supaplex | ssh -D is muh friend. |
| 21:36.38 | moriancumer | X forwarding in ssh is soooooooooooo slow. |
| 21:36.54 | findlay | heh |
| 21:37.14 | Supaplex | X forwarding isn't so slow on my lan. |
| 21:37.48 | mrpull | i've had the luxury of having fat pipes for long enough that I don't remember X forwarding being slow anywhere I need it. |
| 21:38.03 | moriancumer | here at work it is |
| 21:38.22 | RyanE | kind of hard to do 'screen' on your forwarded X app, isn't it? :) |
| 21:39.12 | findlay | unless you have whole graphical sessions that you reconnect to? |
| 21:39.19 | mrpull | RyanE: screen + irssi is nice. Is there a way to detach an X app like that? |
| 21:39.30 | moriancumer | what is bind_address (ssh -D)? |
| 21:39.56 | mrpull | moriancumer: you probably don't need it unless you have more than one IP address on your host |
| 21:40.16 | mrpull | (from memory... could be wrong) |
| 21:40.33 | Supaplex | it's for socks |
| 21:43.51 | sinuhe | Did that help Razor001? |
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| 21:54.26 | moriancumer | anyone know of an irc commands cheat sheet? |
| 21:54.46 | beandog | I was wondering the same thing today |
| 21:55.01 | beandog | ~google irc cheat sheet |
| 21:55.48 | findlay | the irssi docs are pretty good |
| 21:57.08 | Tene | moriancumer: there are only a few commands... why would you want notes on that? |
| 21:58.11 | elg | moriancumer: you know that should be moriancumr right? |
| 21:58.24 | moriancumer | how do i remove my away status? '/help' show about 50 commands |
| 21:58.41 | moriancumer | elg: yeah |
| 21:58.43 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.18 | moriancumer | thnx |
| 21:59.34 | elg | is moriancumer taken? |
| 21:59.43 | elg | s/mer/mr/ |
| 22:00.50 | moriancumer | don't know. I mis-spelled it 15 yrs ago when I got a yahoo email address so I've always used it with the -er since. |
| 22:08.49 | findlay | it's a cool nick anyway and I think the er thing is trivial. This is English, after all |
| 22:09.38 | findlay | there's lots of cool names in the BoM, like Gidgidonnah and Gidianhi and Kishkumen |
| 22:10.32 | levi | And fellow Mormons will always be able to recognize you as one. |
| 22:10.40 | moriancumer | Kishkumen is one of my favorites |
| 22:10.50 | levi | What about Shiz? |
| 22:10.56 | findlay | heh |
| 22:10.59 | moriancumer | lol |
| 22:11.21 | sinuhe | moriancumr is an odd name to pick for a Mormon, considering the role in the BofM. |
| 22:11.54 | moriancumer | I had a roommate who would say Shiz to replace a swear word |
| 22:12.31 | moriancumer | sinuhe: I chose it because my name is jared and I admire my brother |
| 22:12.48 | elg | sinuhe: the brother of jared is a good role model |
| 22:12.53 | elg | maybe you're confused |
| 22:13.25 | elg | maybe I should name my half-baked son mahonri |
| 22:13.39 | findlay | how long does a son bake for? |
| 22:13.40 | elg | I had an ancestor named Mahonri Moriancumr $SURNAME |
| 22:14.06 | elg | findlay: about 9 months, or until the red thermometer pops out |
| 22:14.08 | findlay | half-bake must be like half-life |
| 22:14.24 | findlay | it's an exponential function |
| 22:14.50 | moriancumer | elg: only if you have another son named jared |
| 22:15.13 | sinuhe | elg: Perhaps I'm misremembering moriancumr's role. It's been about 10 years since I read a BOM. |
| 22:15.47 | elg | mahonri moriancumr is the name attributed to the brother of jared (first prophet in the book of ether) |
| 22:15.51 | Supaplex | hahaha VIOP implementation. http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/sad/392473666.html |
| 22:15.55 | elg | though it doesn't appear in the BoM itself |
| 22:16.03 | elg | (he's always called the brother of jared) |
| 22:17.19 | levi | sinuhe: Perhaps you are thinking of Coriantumr. |
| 22:17.50 | Shadowwire | Aww Shiz. |
| 22:18.03 | moriancumer | lol |
| 22:18.32 | levi | sinuhe: Who is the guy who's fighting with Shiz at the end of the Jaredite civilization, IIRC. |
| 22:18.38 | Shadowwire | I tell you what, Ill never name a kid Shiz. |
| 22:19.01 | Shadowwire | Coriantumr. |
| 22:19.09 | sinuhe | levi: That must be it. |
| 22:19.29 | Supaplex | is a kid named Shiz destioned to be the Shiz? |
| 22:19.45 | Shadowwire | nice :) |
| 22:19.51 | moriancumer | ditto |
| 22:20.06 | Shadowwire | Or destined to have his head smote off. |
| 22:20.08 | levi | Hmm, apparently there are three Coriantumrs in the BoM. Thanks to Wikipedia for that bit of trivia. |
| 22:20.52 | sinuhe | levi: WikiBOM. That sounds like a FBI sensor trip. :-) |
| 22:21.05 | mrpull | levi: i'm pleasantly surprised each time I see an LDS related article on wikipedia and it isn't defaced (or worse) |
| 22:21.31 | levi | mrpull: Well, who would search for 'Coriantumr'? :) |
| 22:21.33 | moriancumer | WikiBOM, lol |
| 22:22.47 | mrpull | levi: i've follow quite a few mormon related articles thru wikipedia and found them to be accurate as I understand it without the criticisms that I've come to expect |
| 22:23.23 | mrpull | i guess i cant type today |
| 22:27.25 | moriancumer | How do I view text that scrolled above in irssi |
| 22:27.43 | thaddeusq | shift+PgUP? |
| 22:27.48 | elg | just pgup |
| 22:28.20 | moriancumer | that was easy |
| 22:28.53 | sinuhe | moriancumer: PgUP by itself should work. |
| 22:29.00 | Supaplex | maybe I should avoid plug today. travleing from Clearfield is to be the suck I'm sure. |
| 22:29.01 | moriancumer | thnx |
| 22:37.27 | Shadowwire | So you guys are mormons? |
| 22:37.54 | levi | Some of us are. |
| 22:38.01 | Supaplex | my dad is Tom |
| 22:38.36 | RyanE | No, it's a popular misconception. We're NORMANS. We relly like to raid and pillage. |
| 22:38.56 | Supaplex | unless you meant members of the lds.org church :) |
| 22:41.56 | levi | RyanE: Maybe you're French, but not me! |
| 22:42.36 | RyanE | silly French Kniggggittts! |
| 22:45.08 | sinuhe | Shadowwire: I'm not, but my most of my family is. |
| 22:49.30 | moriancumer | On my mission to England some people thought we were actually NORMANS. I had to explain that the Normans were the ones that attcked England in 1066, We were MORMONS we attacked England in 1836. |
| 22:50.05 | sinuhe | moriancumer: Which part of England? |
| 22:50.11 | moriancumer | Bristol |
| 22:50.14 | Supaplex | Jayce^: how long do you think plug will be? |
| 22:50.45 | moriancumer | sinuhe: covered S Wales and SW England |
| 22:52.34 | Tene | Shadowwire: some of the people in the channel are, but not all. |
| 22:53.04 | Shadowwire | The english channel? :) |
| 22:53.24 | sinuhe | moriancumer: That's where my family is from, that and Denbigh. |
| 22:53.37 | elg | heh, that's what I thought too. "there's people in the channel? wha?" |
| 22:53.44 | moriancumer | sweet. Beautiful country |
| 22:54.31 | Shadowwire | I lived in wales when I was 2-4 |
| 22:54.51 | Shadowwire | I dont remember a bit of it. |
| 22:54.51 | sinuhe | My great grandfather was from Eglwys Eru |
| 22:54.52 | RyanE | I've seen whales... |
| 22:55.08 | Shadowwire | Not whales, wales. |
| 22:55.15 | sinuhe | hehe |
| 22:55.16 | Shadowwire | Killer. |
| 22:55.23 | Supaplex | I've seen whales to |
| 22:55.25 | Supaplex | just not wales |
| 22:55.27 | RyanE | uhmmm, yeah, it was a joke... |
| 22:55.29 | Shadowwire | Killer whales> |
| 22:55.32 | RyanE | heh |
| 22:55.55 | Shadowwire | How many flies does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
| 22:56.15 | Shadowwire | 2, But who knows how they got in there. |
| 22:56.43 | Supaplex | Shadowwire: at the factory |
| 22:57.21 | Shadowwire | that would make sense. |
| 22:58.57 | levi | elg: Probably some in, and certainly some underneath... :) |
| 22:59.53 | Shadowwire | Chunnel? |
| 22:59.53 | levi | So, who's going to NUPM and/or PLUG tonight? |
| 23:00.00 | RyanE | I'll be there. |
| 23:00.03 | RyanE | PLG |
| 23:00.07 | beandog | whats plug doing |
| 23:00.27 | levi | beandog: You have an nntp feed for PLUG? |
| 23:00.29 | beandog | whats a recruiter? |
| 23:00.31 | beandog | yah |
| 23:00.35 | levi | Nice. |
| 23:00.43 | levi | What news client do you use? |
| 23:00.47 | beandog | knode |
| 23:00.55 | levi | Ah. |
| 23:00.58 | levi | I use gnus, of course. |
| 23:01.03 | beandog | never heard of it |
| 23:01.11 | levi | It's the emacs news/mail reader. |
| 23:01.11 | beandog | gmane.org.user-groups.linux.provo.plug |
| 23:01.16 | beandog | emacs? what's that |
| 23:01.32 | beandog | :) |
| 23:01.35 | beandog | I'm all about the gui. |
| 23:01.37 | RyanE | man, I think I used emacs to read newsgroups back when it was painful... |
| 23:01.37 | beandog | well, some things. |
| 23:01.57 | beandog | what is a recruiter anyway |
| 23:01.57 | levi | RyanE: Well, I'm not sure how much gnus has changed. |
| 23:02.10 | levi | beandog: You're really asking what a recruiter is? |
| 23:02.17 | beandog | Im a bit fuzzy. |
| 23:02.23 | RyanE | this was in a BYU lab with old Sun X machines and big round mice with one button. |
| 23:02.37 | RyanE | in about '89 |
| 23:02.38 | beandog | never had a run in with one, I guess. |
| 23:02.41 | levi | beandog: They're people who try to find people to fill open jobs. |
| 23:03.01 | levi | Sometimes they work for staffing companies, sometimes they're part of the company that's hiring. |
| 23:03.40 | beandog | oh okay |
| 23:03.42 | levi | They generally get some kind of commission on the people they place. |
| 23:03.46 | beandog | the ML thread is pretty informative |
| 23:03.48 | beandog | cool shtuff |
| 23:03.52 | levi | I got a call from one today, in fact. |
| 23:05.09 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 23:05.14 | levi | I generally don't mind them that much. Not sure why people hate them so. |
| 23:05.21 | beandog | Ive got my resume on dice.com. I get pinged every week or so |
| 23:05.34 | beandog | always on the ones with mysql, too, especially when I put postgres as a high interest. |
| 23:05.35 | beandog | buh |
| 23:06.00 | levi | I don't have my resume online, so they must get my contact info from people who know me. |
| 23:06.25 | beandog | well I dont think its my resume so much as one of those job profile things ... interests + skills and all that. |
| 23:06.39 | beandog | I cant remember, I set it up so long ago. |
| 23:07.06 | levi | Yeah, I've never done anything with any online job search site. |
| 23:07.24 | beandog | well generally speaking, I think the online ones dont do very well anyway |
| 23:07.29 | beandog | I think Ive gotten almost all my jobs by word of mouth. |
| 23:07.38 | levi | Yup, word of mouth networking is the way to go. |
| 23:09.22 | beandog | that looks like a cool meeting tonight. |
| 23:09.47 | Tene | I've gotten all of my jobs so far through IRC. |
| 23:09.51 | Supaplex | I hope someone records it :) |
| 23:10.13 | Supaplex | since we're on that subject. :) |
| 23:10.36 | beandog | SA? |
| 23:10.46 | Supaplex | Systems Administrator |
| 23:10.49 | beandog | oh |
| 23:15.17 | beandog | where do you work now |
| 23:15.58 | Supaplex | I was with arosnet until it dried up |
| 23:16.23 | levi | Supaplex: If you look at the PLUG list, you'll see a Senior SA job was just posted. |
| 23:17.55 | beandog | hey Jayce^ |
| 23:17.57 | beandog | you went to MT? |
| 23:17.58 | beandog | You like? |
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| 23:28.23 | rsimpkins | Didn't UOL just lay off an SA? |
| 23:30.15 | levi | Beats me. |
| 23:30.19 | rsimpkins | Any UOL alumni here? |
| 23:30.30 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Hello? |
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| 23:39.38 | rsimpkins | Well, I'll play nice since they do let us have PLUG there. |
| 23:44.10 | beandog | http://slickdeals.net/?permadeal=10027#direct_deal_10027 |
| 23:44.16 | beandog | and I just bought something there this morning. |
| 23:44.17 | beandog | -_- |
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