| 00:07.32 | sinuhe | With vim, when using "set number" I get a five character indent before the number is display. Does anyone know how to remove the indent, or perhaps have only a single character indent, for the number display? |
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| 00:07.54 | sinuhe | s/display/displayed/ |
| 00:21.01 | sontek | sinuhe: :set numberwidth=3 is what I use |
| 00:23.23 | herlo | sontek: I like that one. |
| 00:35.23 | sinuhe | sontek: I'm not seeing that numberwidth is a valid option. |
| 00:44.22 | sontek | sinuhe: what version of vim? |
| 00:44.43 | sontek | I think they added numberwidth in 7 |
| 00:45.01 | sinuhe | 7.0 |
| 00:45.13 | sontek | It should be there then |
| 00:45.28 | sontek | You are just typing :set numberwidth=3 ? |
| 00:47.01 | sinuhe | I've tried :set numberwidth=3, and I've also tried putting it in my .vimrc. It doesn't reject it, but it has no effect. My numbers are still placed 5 characters from the left. |
| 00:47.26 | sinuhe | I've tried a separate terminal to make sure its not login variable. |
| 00:51.32 | sontek | try doing set nocompatible |
| 00:51.43 | sontek | I'm not sure how vi handled the numbering |
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| 00:58.56 | sinuhe | sontek: I got the same thing. When putting it into .vimrc, it doesn't complain, but doesn't have the effect I want. |
| 00:59.02 | sinuhe | (The effect is no different.) |
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| 03:20.08 | Hhhhh | hello! |
| 03:20.44 | Hhhhh | OT: any of you know of any channels on some IRC network that talk about Macs? |
| 03:21.03 | Hhhhh | I know #utah is about F/OSS |
| 03:22.13 | elg | #mac |
| 03:22.20 | elg | but you can talk about them here, really |
| 03:22.36 | elg | this is only the channel for content-free discussion |
| 03:54.34 | linuxalien | Hi Hhhhh |
| 03:54.38 | linuxalien | I use an iBook |
| 03:54.42 | linuxalien | and my desktop is Gentoo |
| 03:59.41 | Hhhhh | no, elg, I want to talk about super-closed software with uber-abusive EULAs |
| 03:59.44 | Hhhhh | :) j/k |
| 04:00.35 | Hhhhh | linuxalien, are you running bootcamp with gentoo? |
| 04:01.57 | linuxalien | nopers |
| 04:02.16 | Hhhhh | oh, wait, you have an iBook and a gentoo desktop |
| 04:02.18 | linuxalien | I run gentoo on a PC and my ibook only runs os x tiger |
| 04:02.18 | Hhhhh | I see now |
| 04:02.57 | Hhhhh | I just got an MBP |
| 04:03.09 | Hhhhh | and I'm bootcamping it |
| 04:03.15 | linuxalien | Sweet |
| 04:03.31 | linuxalien | Does it have the new nvidia card? |
| 04:03.39 | Hhhhh | yup :) and the LED screen |
| 04:03.58 | nick125 | I found it so funny, the Compusa here has a sign saying that Bootcamp is unauthorized software and that if you install it, it voids your warranty |
| 04:03.59 | linuxalien | That's pretty sweet |
| 04:04.19 | Hhhhh | nick125, well, maybe that's why CompUSA is going bankrupt |
| 04:04.24 | linuxalien | nick125, they're loonies. Bootcamp is part of Apple software isn't it? |
| 04:04.40 | nick125 | linuxalien: Bootcamp is developed by Apple |
| 04:04.42 | Hhhhh | Bootcamp is beta, but it's not "unauthorized software" |
| 04:04.49 | nick125 | Hhhhh: They are? |
| 04:04.50 | nick125 | Awesome! |
| 04:05.04 | Hhhhh | yes, they are |
| 04:05.18 | linuxalien | nick125, I was thinking along those lines. Wow, don't use the software that comes with it! Ha! |
| 04:05.21 | Hhhhh | (sarcasm?) |
| 04:05.26 | linuxalien | Yes |
| 04:05.33 | linuxalien | Compusa is silly |
| 04:05.38 | linuxalien | for not letting them use something made for a Mac |
| 04:05.54 | Hhhhh | I understand them not supporting the Windows partition |
| 04:06.02 | Hhhhh | or, better, the Windows installation |
| 04:06.08 | Hhhhh | but they have to support Bootcamp |
| 04:06.57 | linuxalien | And not void the warranty |
| 04:07.02 | Hhhhh | exactly |
| 04:08.41 | linuxalien | I'm not a business genius but it astounds me when companies do that |
| 04:08.55 | nick125 | Hhhhh: I hate CompUSA. |
| 04:09.19 | nick125 | They've had my laptop for 8 weeks, 6 and a half weeks of that trying to get the repair approved. |
| 04:10.42 | linuxalien | wow |
| 04:10.45 | linuxalien | they suck |
| 04:11.01 | nick125 | They "think" they shipped it out last monday. |
| 04:14.21 | linuxalien | oh wow |
| 04:14.47 | nick125 | I haven't gotten a clear answer out of them as to if they shipped it out or not. |
| 04:19.42 | linuxalien | That sucks. Good luck with that |
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| 06:26.36 | Tene | hate @ compusa |
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| 06:29.12 | Sargun | anyone here skydive? |
| 06:30.29 | Lakshmi | i wanna skydive |
| 06:39.29 | Supaplex | ~lart compusa |
| 06:39.29 | ibot | blasts compusa with a huge firehose then strangles compusa with it |
| 07:00.23 | Sargun | Supaplex, what did compusa do t odyou |
| 07:02.16 | Supaplex | nothing. just sharing the joy. >:) |
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| 13:48.55 | jsmith | elg: What'd you do that for? |
| 13:49.10 | elg | so you could take a nap |
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| 14:53.17 | sexboy21 | hey who wants to have sex? |
| 14:56.00 | ^Migs^ | he didn't stick around very long to get an answer |
| 14:56.07 | ^Migs^ | must not really want it that bad |
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| 15:19.59 | ^Migs^ | http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/08/omg-what-is-he-.html |
| 15:20.07 | ^Migs^ | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1173/1009562573_32ef49fc13.jpg |
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| 15:23.35 | levi | Morning, folks. |
| 15:27.35 | bonez39 | morning, Mr. Strauss |
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| 15:51.00 | diesel | rsimpkins: You around? |
| 16:00.41 | ^Migs^ | yesterday we ate the first squash to grow in the garden I built |
| 16:00.45 | ^Migs^ | it was an historic occasion |
| 16:01.20 | levi | Yum! |
| 16:01.44 | levi | Soon, you will have squashes coming out of your ears, and you will be leaving them on neighbors' doorsteps. |
| 16:02.37 | elg | apparently, our tomato plant produced two really nice tomatoes while we were in utah |
| 16:02.49 | elg | we've not a had a chance to eat any, since our son tends to pick them green |
| 16:03.23 | levi | I'm lucky that my father in law grows zillions of tomatoes. We go there and help ourselves frequently. They're really sweet and not very acidic. |
| 16:03.44 | elg | i'm not a big raw tomato fan anyway, |
| 16:03.50 | elg | so it's mostly amusing to me |
| 16:04.23 | elg | the grocery stores have invited the chile roasters to the parking lots. that can mean only one thing: it's chile season! |
| 16:04.25 | levi | I'm not really either, but my wife loves them. |
| 16:06.03 | tensai | my poor garden hasn't done so well this year :( |
| 16:06.25 | bonez39 | I could live on just fresh tomatoes..and french bread...with cheddar cheese.... |
| 16:06.53 | tensai | the chiles I thought would be super hot, turned out to be oh so tame |
| 16:06.57 | levi | I dunno about the cheddar part, but fresh tomatoes and fresh mozzarella with some basil... now that's good. |
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| 16:18.21 | elg | my chiles have had problems with blossom end rot and aphids |
| 16:18.36 | elg | but the couple I've got have been tasty |
| 16:18.49 | elg | not sure how hot, it wasn't the sort of situation where I could assess that directly |
| 16:19.15 | elg | levi: put that on a round slab of dough and bake at high heat for a few minutes |
| 16:19.19 | elg | now _that_'s good |
| 16:19.19 | elg | :) |
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| 16:19.43 | elg | shhhhhh, fozzmoo's here |
| 16:20.06 | fozzmoo | QUIET! |
| 16:23.27 | levi | elg: Mmmm, pizza margherita. |
| 16:24.33 | goozbach | good morning #Utah |
| 16:24.47 | fozzmoo | Not quite the same ring to it as "Vietnam" |
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| 16:25.52 | goozbach | I just signed up for netflix |
| 16:26.04 | goozbach | should get my first dvd in the mail when I get home today! |
| 16:26.06 | goozbach | yay! |
| 16:26.07 | elg | then you're obligated to post your friend invite |
| 16:27.36 | Jayce^ | mm, netflix.. |
| 16:27.45 | Jayce^ | now if my wife would just send back the discs |
| 16:29.06 | maquis | Jayce^: why don't you send them back? |
| 16:29.31 | goozbach | http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/Pe2RduliiXchecQucT96 |
| 16:30.04 | ^Migs^ | Derek Carter has sent you an invitation to join Netflix Friends. |
| 16:30.06 | Jayce^ | because she always thinks she might watch the movie again |
| 16:30.15 | ^Migs^ | Why would I want to be Derek Carter's friend (if that's his real name)? |
| 16:30.51 | ^Migs^ | which dvd are you getting? |
| 16:31.02 | ^Migs^ | better be something good |
| 16:31.41 | goozbach | ^Migs^: because he can kick you |
| 16:32.10 | ^Migs^ | that's one way to make friends, I guess |
| 16:36.35 | maquis | man... these people are insanely unhelpful |
| 16:36.55 | Tene | orly? |
| 16:37.08 | maquis | nah... some people on another team |
| 16:38.50 | ^Migs^ | wtf. Kill -9 isn't working. |
| 16:39.14 | maquis | heh |
| 16:39.19 | maquis | gotta love it when that happens |
| 16:43.01 | tensai | hey, I want friends. http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P9HjrLsGVhhwFOmn4Y4u |
| 16:44.15 | fozzmoo | I want time... time for netflix. |
| 16:46.24 | goozbach | tensai: I'm already your friend! |
| 16:50.00 | ^Migs^ | I don't want people to see what movies I'm renting |
| 16:52.14 | tensai | ~hug goozbach |
| 16:52.15 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on goozbach and suddenly hugs goozbach tightly |
| 16:53.00 | tensai | elg has been my netflix friend for a while. I've queued up a bunch of movies I've learned from him. It's a great way to find new stuff. |
| 16:56.34 | ^Migs^ | most of what you'd find on my list are kids' movies |
| 16:56.51 | ^Migs^ | like Strawberry Shortcake Moonlight Mysteries and Pooh's Heffalump Movie |
| 16:57.57 | levi | Anyone watch 'Masters of Science Fiction'? |
| 16:58.21 | ^Migs^ | see, that's why I'm not adding anyone from here as my Netflix friends. |
| 16:58.31 | ^Migs^ | because my tastes are radically different |
| 16:58.57 | ^Migs^ | plus my wife can't stand scifi movies for some reason |
| 16:59.19 | ^Migs^ | instead we end up getting lame chick flicks that she always ends up hating anyway |
| 16:59.52 | fozzmoo | :( |
| 17:02.52 | levi | Masters of Science Fiction is a new TV show, kind of like Twilight |
| 17:02.56 | levi | Zone or the Outer Limits. |
| 17:03.07 | fozzmoo | Who airs it? |
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| 17:13.51 | levi | I don't recall, it was one of the major networks. |
| 17:16.34 | levi | Apparently it's ABC. |
| 17:23.15 | levi | http://www.reuters.com/article/reviewsNews/idUSN0242298520070803 |
| 17:26.11 | ^Migs^ | I just wish Lost would hurry up and come back on |
| 17:26.14 | ^Migs^ | Heroes, too |
| 17:26.25 | ^Migs^ | also Desperate Housewives but I don't admit that in public |
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| 17:27.28 | fozzmoo | Desperate Housewives. |
| 17:27.37 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: I'm a fan too. |
| 17:27.52 | fozzmoo | The last season kinda stank compared to previous ones, tho. |
| 17:28.06 | fozzmoo | Pacing really slowed down. |
| 17:31.37 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. friends..... http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P8GlYmaWP1sBydaYfth7 |
| 17:33.19 | ^Migs^ | I don't even remember the last season, it's been so long |
| 17:33.34 | ^Migs^ | what happened at the end? |
| 17:36.34 | fozzmoo | Uhm.... |
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| 17:37.28 | fozzmoo | Gabby gets married to Victor... |
| 17:37.48 | fozzmoo | and then finds out he's just using her for political gain. The evil republican he is. |
| 17:37.58 | fozzmoo | So, she hooks back up with Carlos. |
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| 17:38.29 | fozzmoo | Susan and Ian break up... |
| 17:38.35 | fozzmoo | Susan marries MIke. |
| 17:39.13 | ^Migs^ | oh right |
| 17:39.25 | fozzmoo | Bree's family is covering up her daughter's pregnancy. Again, because she's an evil, republican gun-owner. |
| 17:39.57 | ^Migs^ | uh, I don't think they demonstrated a specifically anti-republican agenda in the show, but if that's what you got out of it... |
| 17:40.02 | RyanE | fozzmoo: that's really kind of scary that you know all that. |
| 17:40.10 | fozzmoo | I can't remember what's going on with Tom and Lynette. |
| 17:40.12 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo is a scary person |
| 17:40.17 | fozzmoo | boo! |
| 17:40.19 | RyanE | I mean, I watched it with my wife, but I don't remember any of last season. |
| 17:40.29 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, you around? |
| 17:40.34 | RyanE | I can't wait for The Amazing Race to return. Hopefully it won't suck like that last two seasons. |
| 17:40.36 | fozzmoo | I'm diggin deep here, guys. |
| 17:40.46 | fozzmoo | This last season wasn't that memorable. |
| 17:41.10 | fozzmoo | I'm a lot more stoked for Heroes S2 (and the 6-episode prequel) |
| 17:47.35 | mrpull | i thought heros was fun |
| 17:47.48 | mrpull | i'm not a big scifi/comic book/whatever fan |
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| 17:51.22 | herlo | fedora seems not to have nvu available |
| 17:51.32 | herlo | does anyone know of a repo with nvu inside? |
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| 17:53.44 | herlo | that seems dumb |
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| 18:05.48 | fozzmoo | ~lart Lakshmi_____ |
| 18:05.48 | ibot | flings poo at Lakshmi_____ |
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| 18:06.12 | fozzmoo | ~smack Lakshmi_______ |
| 18:06.12 | ibot | ACTION smacks Lakshmi_______ upside the head. |
| 18:08.58 | ^Migs^ | there's goign to be a 6-episode prequel? |
| 18:09.16 | ^Migs^ | is that the spin-off? |
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| 18:09.34 | ^Migs^ | I thought there was going to be two Heroes shows, that would eventually merge. But is it a prequel instead? |
| 18:09.36 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: I don't think it's a spin-off |
| 18:10.08 | ^Migs^ | Heroes is seriously the best show on television |
| 18:11.15 | fozzmoo | It's definitely a good show. |
| 18:11.36 | fozzmoo | The 6-episodes is backstory. |
| 18:11.50 | fozzmoo | Nice if they bring McDowell back. |
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| 18:12.02 | fozzmoo | Flesh out some of the stories we've only seen bits and pieces of in the novels. |
| 18:12.08 | ^Migs^ | don't forget the ABC Heroes comics |
| 18:12.17 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah, I was so stoked when I found out Linderman was McDowell |
| 18:12.18 | fozzmoo | NBC, you mean? |
| 18:14.03 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 18:14.05 | ^Migs^ | NBC yeah |
| 18:14.11 | ^Migs^ | I was thinking of Lost |
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| 18:29.43 | findlay | I have determined that I'm not a programmer by constitution |
| 18:31.23 | Tene | I don't understand what you mean. |
| 18:31.27 | levi | findlay: Heh, why do you say that? |
| 18:32.39 | findlay | I hate programming as a matter of course |
| 18:33.22 | findlay | as an intellectual problem it's fun, of course, but to have to implement random features is a chore |
| 18:33.35 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:33.40 | findlay | especially features you don't care about |
| 18:33.52 | levi | Yeah, well, that's work for you. |
| 18:34.01 | findlay | yup |
| 18:34.10 | levi | Find me a job where you never have to do anything you don't care about. |
| 18:34.30 | findlay | levi: sjansen suggests being a hermit |
| 18:34.57 | levi | Well, you certainly won't have any people demanding you to do things, but the income would be a little tight. |
| 18:36.04 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Yo. |
| 18:36.24 | findlay | I guess I'm too theoretical to enjoy something as practical as programming useful features |
| 18:37.00 | rsimpkins | Everyone come to PLUG on wednesday. |
| 18:37.21 | rsimpkins | It's been a couple months since we've had a regular meeting, so people might not be thinking of it. |
| 18:37.39 | rsimpkins | Also, the topic is not necissarily linux related, so invite your other tech friends. |
| 18:38.18 | findlay | rsimpkins: I will if you come to The Pirates of Penzance on Thursday |
| 18:39.38 | rsimpkins | Is it an open source version of Penzance? |
| 18:39.44 | rsimpkins | Can I insert my own lines? |
| 18:45.51 | findlay | its in the public domain |
| 18:49.18 | fozzmoo | findlay: where? |
| 18:50.07 | findlay | fozzmoo: I'm only in the orchestra |
| 18:50.32 | fozzmoo | "Will the audience please stop throwing their undergarments into the orchestra pit?" |
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| 18:57.53 | findlay | ibot: Lakshmi $Lakshmi is <action> maxes out $Lakshmi's nick with underscores_____ |
| 18:57.54 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 18:58.04 | findlay | ~Lakshmi fozzmoo |
| 18:58.05 | ibot | ACTION maxes out $Lakshmi's nick with underscores_____ |
| 18:58.12 | findlay | hm |
| 18:58.27 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 18:58.37 | findlay | ibot: no lakshmi $1 is <action> maxes out $1's nick with underscores_____ |
| 18:58.37 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 18:58.41 | findlay | ~Lakshmi fozzmoo |
| 18:58.42 | ibot | ACTION maxes out fozzmoo's nick with underscores_____ |
| 18:58.59 | fozzmoo | Niiiiice. |
| 18:59.07 | goozbach | Lakshmi: problems with your connection? |
| 18:59.08 | fozzmoo | I'll Lakshmi you! |
| 19:01.01 | findlay | why is cdfs more reliable than cdparanoia? |
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| 19:10.14 | elg | findlay: who says it is? |
| 19:10.27 | findlay | elg: that's just how it seems |
| 19:11.21 | findlay | cdparanoia will read a disc and have lots of problems with it while cdfs will copy off tracks without a problem |
| 19:11.46 | findlay | at least nothing audibly detectable |
| 19:12.04 | findlay | whereas cdparanoia will tell you all about how it failed |
| 19:12.08 | Supaplex | I don't know anymore. I swipe all my music from knobtweakers.net |
| 19:12.45 | elg | sounds like you don't like the paranoia part |
| 19:12.49 | findlay | I doubt they would have much discography from the English Concert in 7.1 hi def |
| 19:12.59 | findlay | elg: how would you explain it? |
| 19:13.03 | elg | you're happy with nearly-perfect reproduction |
| 19:13.30 | elg | or "just good enough" |
| 19:13.30 | findlay | well if cdparanoia fails, I don't have any other recourse, do I? |
| 19:14.09 | elg | cd fixing stuff |
| 19:14.15 | elg | not scratching your CD |
| 19:14.38 | elg | there's various cdparanoia options you can employ, that might help |
| 19:14.43 | findlay | some of the discs don't have a scratch on them |
| 19:14.51 | elg | sounds like you have a bad drive then |
| 19:14.55 | findlay | I know about all the cdparanoia options |
| 19:16.47 | findlay | is there a drive in this world that isn't bad? |
| 19:17.12 | elg | sure, mine works great |
| 19:17.15 | findlay | every drive that I might buy is pretty much guaranteed to be bad |
| 19:17.27 | findlay | what kind is it? |
| 19:17.28 | Supaplex | check the sources :) maybe you can patch cdparanormal with cdfs |
| 19:17.47 | findlay | ~paranormal Supaplex |
| 19:18.54 | elg | hdc: MAD DOG MD-16X3DVD9-8X, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 19:19.18 | elg | and MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-857 |
| 19:19.27 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I have a feeling a lot of people are interested in the PLUG meeting this month. |
| 19:19.57 | rsimpkins | I know there is interest when I get 4 e-mails saying things like "I can't be there, but I am REALLY intersted. Please record it/take notes, etc" |
| 19:19.57 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, yeah, we need to get word out, I've had a few ask me about it |
| 19:20.25 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: It's on plug.org and the mailing list. |
| 19:20.46 | rsimpkins | I also e-mailed a bunch of ppl internaly at Omniture, as the topic goes outside just the normal demographic. |
| 19:20.53 | Jayce^ | hadn't seen it on the list.. |
| 19:30.26 | Lakshmi_________ | hey fozzmoo |
| 19:30.35 | Lakshmi_________ | and goozbach mhm |
| 19:30.41 | rsimpkins | Wow___________ |
| 19:31.10 | findlay | ~Lakshmi rsimpkins |
| 19:31.10 | ibot | ACTION maxes out rsimpkins's nick with underscores_____ |
| 19:31.15 | goozbach | Lakshmi: having connectivity problems? |
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| 19:31.41 | rsimpkins | ..--==**this_is_my_new_nick_idea**==--.. |
| 19:31.50 | findlay | not bad |
| 19:31.53 | elg | Lakshmi: please do get your underscores under control |
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| 19:32.30 | findlay | Lakshmi: better oblige the almighty elg |
| 19:32.30 | rsimpkins | Hey, everyone is coming right - this Wednesday? PLUG? Right? |
| 19:32.42 | elg | if you must come and go with the solar winds, at least get your client to go back and forth between 1 and 0 underscores |
| 19:32.44 | levi | That's this Wednesday? |
| 19:32.50 | elg | what's it about? |
| 19:32.51 | rsimpkins | I got the word out a little late as I was on call last week, and it was a doosey. |
| 19:33.12 | levi | Not really a topic I'm greatly in need of right now, but I might be there. |
| 19:33.14 | rsimpkins | Robert Merrill from SOS Technical is going to come talk about mid-career development. |
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| 19:37.56 | Lakshmi | elg .. how? |
| 19:38.05 | Lakshmi | id love to if i knew how |
| 19:38.09 | findlay | Lakshmi: maybe you can try a better client |
| 19:38.30 | findlay | or ask xbmodder to host an irssi session for you |
| 19:39.08 | Lakshmi | sucha as? and how is that going to help (irssi)? |
| 19:39.23 | Tene | Or just leave... what are you in this channel for anyway? |
| 19:39.29 | findlay | I don't know it doesn't really bother me anyway |
| 19:39.45 | findlay | Tene: it's all for you |
| 19:40.04 | findlay | seeing how much you like girls ... |
| 19:40.24 | Tene | Heh. |
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| 19:43.03 | findlay | is there something that will take an ldif file and make a pretty tree out of it? |
| 19:45.08 | RyanE | I was sent to exile for my client disconnecting / reconnecting last time I hung around here. Too lazy to figure out why. |
| 19:45.53 | findlay | I guess it really bugs some people |
| 19:48.05 | tensai | am I buggin' ya? cuz I don't mean to bug ya. ok, Edge, play the blues. |
| 19:48.31 | RyanE | oh yeah, I think Bono definitely means to bug ya... |
| 19:48.45 | findlay | who is bono? |
| 19:48.45 | RyanE | c'mon, just the *name* Bono bugs me. |
| 19:48.58 | findlay | bugs bunny? |
| 19:49.02 | RyanE | U2 |
| 19:49.12 | findlay | u^2? |
| 19:49.23 | findlay | wouldn't that be better written as 2U? |
| 19:49.52 | bonez39 | how much is a 'U' unit...in terms of rack mount blades and such? |
| 19:49.57 | RyanE | hilarious. math. jokes. |
| 19:50.04 | bonez39 | how much is an U unit... |
| 19:50.06 | RyanE | bonez39: exactly, or about? |
| 19:50.12 | RyanE | a couple of inches ish |
| 19:50.33 | bonez39 | how wide, tall, or deep is 1 U ? |
| 19:50.35 | RyanE | that's a google question...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit |
| 19:50.45 | RyanE | 19" wide, 1.75" high |
| 19:50.49 | bonez39 | I see that in various trade publications...1U, 2U , 4U |
| 19:50.50 | RyanE | depth is not standard |
| 19:50.52 | bonez39 | OK.... |
| 19:51.00 | RyanE | 1.75" per U |
| 19:51.05 | bonez39 | i SEE |
| 19:51.16 | goozbach | and 19" or 21" wide depending |
| 19:51.37 | findlay | 2U is alternatively called bono (or bugs bunny) apparently |
| 19:51.38 | RyanE | most audio equipment is 19" rack. Wikipedia says 23" wide is the other width. |
| 19:51.39 | goozbach | excuse me 23" is the wide rack |
| 19:51.44 | RyanE | heh. |
| 19:52.28 | findlay | 23" is telco standard |
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| 20:02.26 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you need to be up here on the 24th/25th :) |
| 20:04.10 | goozbach | of August? |
| 20:04.16 | goozbach | not gonna happen |
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| 20:04.31 | goozbach | I'm BARELY going to be here for UTOSC |
| 20:04.49 | goozbach | stupid "no vacation untill after six months of employment" rules |
| 20:05.24 | ^Migs^ | wtf, that's lame |
| 20:05.32 | ^Migs^ | you should be allowed to take vacations WHENEVER you want |
| 20:06.20 | goozbach | Jayce^: that's aliens, isn't it? |
| 20:07.22 | ^Migs^ | is there anything good about using LANSA? |
| 20:08.57 | Jayce^ | goozbach, ayup :) |
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| 20:10.45 | findlay | that's what I heard |
| 20:10.57 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay |
| 20:10.57 | ibot | onjoin for findlay set by brac on Mon Jul 23 11:31:21 2007: -chat about |
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| 20:14.50 | tensai | http://www.conceptlabs.co.uk/alicebob.html |
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| 20:33.23 | Jayce^ | maquis, now your company is just toying with me... |
| 20:33.26 | Jayce^ | http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1/104-9066604-5529567?ie=UTF8&node=342430011&no=3435361 |
| 20:36.17 | maquis | Jayce^: interesting... that's news to me :) |
| 20:38.34 | maquis | that's kinda cool |
| 20:39.10 | levi | maquis: If you're just hearing about that, you need better RSS feeds. ;) |
| 20:39.42 | Jayce^ | maquis, tell somebody there to release a CPAN module for it.. |
| 20:39.49 | maquis | :) |
| 20:39.59 | maquis | Jayce^: i'm sure that AWS is probably on that already |
| 20:40.07 | maquis | (AWS == web services) |
| 20:40.30 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=3435361 |
| 20:40.48 | maquis | levi: or i just haven't read any of my feeds in a while.. :) |
| 20:40.59 | levi | That could be it, too. :) |
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| 21:00.31 | levi | http://videolectures.net/icml07_corvallis/ |
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| 21:05.24 | levi | elg: http://videolectures.net/icml07_corvallis/ |
| 21:09.24 | elg | anything in particular? |
| 21:11.00 | elg | ~metar KCSQ |
| 21:22.38 | Jayce^ | http://www.petebevin.com/archives/signals.html hehehehehehe |
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| 21:33.21 | linuxalien | Jayce^, that's pretty funny |
| 21:40.07 | bonez39 | anyone know about acrobat and fill-in type forms? |
| 21:41.09 | bonez39 | what i am wondering, is how hard it is, ... to convert a static .pdf form, which one prints out and then fills in by hand, or typewriter if one exists...to a fill-in type form when you can fill in most fields online, and then just print to add a signature or apply an electronic signature and send onward... |
| 21:42.01 | RyanE | bonez39: Do you control the form itself, or is it a form from somewhere else? |
| 21:42.18 | elg | do you have acrobat, or do you need to use free software? |
| 21:42.23 | RyanE | It's not hard to write a PDF using PHP or another web tool, which could be filled with data from the website. |
| 21:42.36 | findlay | FDF's aren't hard either |
| 21:42.37 | RyanE | I suppose you did say 'to convert'... |
| 21:43.06 | levi | I think he wants to take an existing PDF of a form that can't be filled out via Acrobat Reader and make it so it can. |
| 21:43.19 | RyanE | yeah, I remember his questions from Saturday-ish |
| 21:44.48 | maquis | bonez39: unless you have Acrobat, i don't think it's a simple procedure, but i've never done it |
| 21:44.56 | maquis | s/Acrobat/Acrobat-Writer/g |
| 21:45.59 | elg | can you recreate the form? i.e. does it have to look the same or can you make your own with the same info |
| 21:46.08 | elg | if the latter, scribus is the tool |
| 21:48.36 | bonez39 | RyanE: this form, these forms are from the UTah Labor Commission... |
| 21:49.16 | bonez39 | I think the problem is...the bosses who say..put this or that out there NEVER ever have to fill out such forms, so they never consider the challenge and extra time required, if they put out a form, WITHOUT the fill-in option enabled.... |
| 21:49.55 | RyanE | Yeah, they assume that as long as it's accessible (print it out, fill it in), no one will want to fill it out *electronically*... |
| 21:50.03 | bonez39 | maquis this is the STate of utah..they have the tools.... |
| 21:50.17 | maquis | bonez39: they might, but do you? |
| 21:50.21 | bonez39 | RyanE: how very wrong they are......I am writing the boss... |
| 21:50.26 | maquis | that's the thing i'm pointing out |
| 21:50.38 | bonez39 | I don't have acrobat...full version..or partial..just the reader..and few different readers. |
| 21:50.45 | levi | You're assuming that there is a 'fill-in option' to enable. |
| 21:50.55 | RyanE | good luck tilting those windmills. You can't fight city hall... :) |
| 21:51.24 | elg | i've never met a pdf fill-in form that worked right |
| 21:51.44 | RyanE | elg: even using Acrobat Reader? |
| 21:51.59 | bonez39 | au contrare....I have a friend who just beat the living Sheeeite..outta Bluffdale...taking away 38% of Bluffdale's land mass....moving it over to Herriman... |
| 21:52.02 | levi | RyanE: Last one I tried, I had to use Acrobat Reader in Windows for it to work right. |
| 21:52.02 | elg | print skewampus, fonts too big, or too small, or you can't read the form around the box when you start typing |
| 21:52.08 | bonez39 | it's a difficult fight but worth the effort |
| 21:52.12 | RyanE | levi: ouch |
| 21:52.29 | bonez39 | leviI I have tried these forms in windows, as well linux, and none work anywhere, for fill-in |
| 21:52.32 | elg | the only time it would be worth having a fill-in form is when you need to do lots of them, programmatically |
| 21:52.34 | RyanE | yeah, that's why if you have control over generating the forms, you can do it exactly how you want. |
| 21:52.50 | levi | bonez39: So, you know they don't work well, and you want to use them anyway? |
| 21:53.14 | RyanE | I made a program to generate PDF invoices back when I was doing side-work, it was easier than actually making them by hand... |
| 21:53.53 | bonez39 | elg: wouldn't it be worthwhile to the end user? that's me in this case.... |
| 21:54.16 | RyanE | bonez39: elg is just saying that even if they make the form fillable, they don't always work. |
| 21:54.25 | bonez39 | the IRS has forms..where specific fields allow one to type in the information, then print out and sign to mail in... |
| 21:54.50 | bonez39 | I have never encountered a fill-in form that didn't work right, either has that and works, or no fill-in...at least that's been my experience |
| 21:55.17 | levi | With the amount of time you've spent complaining about this, you could easily have printed it out and carefully filled it out by hand. |
| 21:55.23 | RyanE | heh |
| 21:55.52 | RyanE | yes, but whining about a problem is much more fun, and besides, who can read a doctor's handwriting? |
| 21:55.54 | bonez39 | levi wow...thanks for that witty bit of knowledge... |
| 21:56.10 | levi | witty, no. Practical, yes. |
| 21:56.13 | bonez39 | RyanE: that's my point exactly..one can't read my handwriting anyway, and this is about getting ME paid.... |
| 21:56.15 | maquis | levi: true, but he'd then have to go through that again next time |
| 21:56.19 | maquis | and the time after |
| 21:56.23 | maquis | etc |
| 21:56.47 | mrpull | heh... isn't this day two of the great pdf complaint campaign? |
| 21:56.49 | mrpull | http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1648022,00.html |
| 21:56.53 | maquis | plus, a geek is someone who spends tons of time to find the faster/better way of solving a problem |
| 21:56.59 | bonez39 | yeah, I anticipate doing this often.... |
| 21:57.03 | levi | maquis: As opposed to going through a prolonged quixotic battle with every pdf provider he runs across? |
| 21:57.28 | bonez39 | I'd rather have a form that I can eventually fill in all my info....and then with the next patient, I just fill in, only the stuff that applies to this next patient..and then print and send in... |
| 21:58.07 | bonez39 | I have no battle with any pdf provider....or did you mean with authors who produce documents in pdf format? |
| 21:58.34 | levi | bonez39: Yes, the people who provide you with the pdfs that don't have fillable forms. |
| 21:59.27 | bonez39 | this is the government..they should get their act together and produce very useable stuff...not forms that complicate life and require more time to work with.... |
| 21:59.53 | RyanE | bonez39: hahahahaha! That's a good one! |
| 22:00.50 | levi | bonez39: By all means, go ahead and try to get them to improve their forms. |
| 22:01.34 | mrpull | bonez39: is a windows pdf reader/editor an option for you? |
| 22:03.54 | RyanE | ... And eventually, bonez37 ran for and was elected to congress, became speaker of the house, and sponsored government electronic forms legislation, and they all lived happily ever after ... |
| 22:04.16 | bonez39 | you can bet that I'll beat them up at campaign time, and demand that they have a clue about IT and about technology to make life easier..if they don't I'll urge my patients to NOT vote |
| 22:04.37 | bonez39 | I'll never run for office..I wouldn't ever want that sort of pain and migraine headache.... |
| 22:04.40 | RyanE | yeah, even so, you're a pretty small fish to them, and this issue doesn't exactly fire up the voters. |
| 22:05.01 | bonez39 | mrpull I have tried opening these forms in windows, using Acrobat 7 or is it 8 now..no go |
| 22:05.14 | bonez39 | levi I will get them to improve their forms..... |
| 22:09.19 | QBFreak | -seen dilvie |
| 22:09.27 | QBFreak | !seen dilvie |
| 22:10.32 | QBFreak | just tell him to check knobtweakers, it looks hacked |
| 22:11.03 | Supaplex | but april fools has come and gone already. hasn't it? |
| 22:11.28 | QBFreak | april was quite some time ago |
| 22:11.47 | Supaplex | oh right, I wonder why. |
| 22:11.56 | Supaplex | besides php ;) |
| 22:18.57 | mrpull | bonez39: i believe Foxit Reader Pro(about $50/seat) can add text to forms. But, not fill in forms, just put text on top of the forms in PDFs |
| 22:20.33 | mrpull | and CutePDF Pro (again about $50) can modify existing PDF's so they are interactive |
| 22:20.54 | mrpull | but if the originals are encrypted you'll have problems |
| 22:21.24 | maquis | bonez39: if you're really desperate, i bet you can convert it to ps, and edit it that way |
| 22:21.51 | bonez39 | maquis: my sort of change is via bugging them...and making them release better forms.... |
| 22:22.20 | maquis | or possibly find a way to do it without converting to ps... i haven't looked inside pdfs recently, so i don't know what that would involve |
| 22:22.30 | maquis | bonez39: good luck with that..... |
| 22:28.51 | QBFreak | maquis: depends on the PDF, some of them are just Group 4 images (TIFFs essentially) |
| 22:29.02 | maquis | QBFreak: good point |
| 22:29.15 | QBFreak | I'm not sure but I believe there are 3-4 different PDF formats |
| 22:29.27 | QBFreak | that is, the data can be formatted in several ways |
| 22:29.47 | levi | I don't think I've ever seen a form that was stored as a bitmap. |
| 22:30.19 | QBFreak | just a potential gotcah, thats all |
| 22:30.22 | RyanE | me either. |
| 22:30.24 | QBFreak | gotcha |
| 22:30.40 | RyanE | they can *contain* images, though. |
| 22:31.04 | bonez39 | it's their responsibility...it's really about the dinosaurs..once the dinosaur brains at the Commission die off..then the young |
| 22:31.05 | levi | Most of the bitmap pdfs I've seen are scans of old pre-word-processing academic papers. |
| 22:31.20 | QBFreak | levi: or bank documents |
| 22:31.53 | levi | Oh, yeah, those too. Anything that's a pdf created by a scanner is going to be a bitmap, obviously. |
| 22:33.54 | rsimpkins | Does anyone have access to a busy apache server with SMP (2 way, perferablly 4 way) running the 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:34.03 | rsimpkins | By buys - I mean quite busy. |
| 22:34.06 | rsimpkins | busy |
| 22:34.45 | levi | None of the busy computers I have access to are busy with web-related stuff. |
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| 23:04.30 | Supaplex | I grab a trial copy, and install it on a vmware guest (with fresh unactivated install of win2k3 or what ever is on download.microsoft.com) |
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| 23:24.31 | jewagenaar | hello UTAH! |
| 23:24.57 | linuxalien | Hello |
| 23:25.31 | jewagenaar | is this an open discussion? |
| 23:25.52 | beandog | we dont discuss gentoo here |
| 23:25.54 | beandog | but that's it. |
| 23:25.56 | beandog | or perl. |
| 23:26.23 | jewagenaar | is everybody developers from utah? |
| 23:26.32 | beandog | pretty much, yah. :) |
| 23:26.41 | beandog | welcome |
| 23:26.47 | jewagenaar | thank you. |
| 23:27.08 | beandog | everybody's probably getting ready to leave for the day |
| 23:27.10 | beandog | if they haven't already |
| 23:27.22 | jewagenaar | i'm currently in south africa. but i REALLY want to come over to the states... |
| 23:27.45 | jewagenaar | how hard is it to get an entry level programming job? |
| 23:28.13 | levi | Not terribly hard, but it helps to have an 'in'. |
| 23:28.21 | jewagenaar | in? |
| 23:28.33 | levi | Someone you know at the company you're applying for. |
| 23:28.34 | jewagenaar | pre-organised job? |
| 23:28.40 | jewagenaar | ah. |
| 23:28.52 | jewagenaar | so wher edo you work? |
| 23:29.00 | jewagenaar | ;) |
| 23:30.00 | levi | I work at Linux Networx. What kind of programming do you do? |
| 23:30.22 | beandog | levi: you do? what do you guys do there |
| 23:30.23 | jewagenaar | java, c++ and some ruby on rails. |
| 23:31.09 | levi | I think we have at least one java opening. |
| 23:31.17 | jewagenaar | really? |
| 23:31.24 | levi | beandog: We do Linux supercomputing clusters. |
| 23:32.03 | jewagenaar | i'm busy finishing up my CS degree. But, I'm already a qualified Quality Engineer. |
| 23:32.16 | jewagenaar | Got 3 years experience in that... |
| 23:32.49 | elg | or is that quality qualified engineer? |
| 23:33.14 | levi | http://linuxnetworx.com/content_display.jsp?top=43&mid=365 |
| 23:33.19 | levi | That's our current job listings. |
| 23:33.51 | jewagenaar | thanks guys! wow, i didn't expect this much help at this hour... |
| 23:35.03 | levi | No problem. Good luck. :) |
| 23:40.04 | *** part/#utah jewagenaar (n=johne@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za) |
| 23:42.25 | elg | levi: did you have any particular videos in mind there? |
| 23:43.31 | levi | elg: No, I just thought you might find some of them interesting. |
| 23:43.41 | levi | I haven't watched any yet, but a few of the titles looked intriguing. |
| 23:43.49 | levi | Time for me to head home. |
| 23:51.23 | *** join/#utah dilvie (n=chatzill@c-67-166-124-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 23:51.29 | bonez39 | later |
| 23:52.31 | dilvie | Robots may strike at any time... and when they grab you with those metal claws you can't break free. Because they're made of metal. And robots are strong. |
