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| 00:33.52 | Supaplex | cow |
| 01:10.48 | vontrapp | levi_home: you around? |
| 01:10.57 | vontrapp | i want to pick your brain on scsh |
| 01:13.57 | Supaplex | ~cry levi's client a river |
| 01:14.10 | vontrapp | i guess this would be an appropriate time for a break and a run to the grocery store |
| 01:14.22 | Supaplex | great idea |
| 01:15.23 | vontrapp | levi_home: if i'm not here, would it be possible to use scsh to pass as an arg to a process some kind of voodoo style pipe thing that will act as a file to the recieving process, but simply pipe data from some arbitrary other thing into the the supposed file? |
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| 01:56.23 | jlund | Anyone have any recommendations for a solid PDA that will work well under Linux? |
| 01:59.40 | sontek | jlund: Treo 650 can run open embedded |
| 01:59.49 | sontek | jlund: or you could get the Sharp Zaurus |
| 02:00.07 | sontek | jlund: the Sharp Zaurus is a pda that comes with linux by default |
| 02:00.42 | vontrapp | jlund: wait for the neo1973 |
| 02:04.42 | jlund | I can probably hold off. I need something to get organized. The iPhone has looked incredibly tempting I must admit. But it would be too painful to leave Cricket and have to start dealing with worry about minutes again. |
| 02:04.59 | jlund | Of course the neo1973 doesn't support CDMA does it? |
| 02:11.09 | vontrapp | what's cdma? |
| 02:13.05 | nick125 | vontrapp: Very very very evil technology that doesn't have cool stuff like SIM cards. |
| 02:13.32 | jlund | There are two kinds of phone networks out there in general. GSM and CDMA. GSM is older and arguably less advanced. 80%+ of the world uses GSM. AT&T and T-mobile are GSM. |
| 02:13.38 | jlund | Cricket and Verizon are CDMA |
| 02:14.46 | vontrapp | ah, moss-pultz says they can do a cdma version if they get a carrier |
| 02:15.09 | vontrapp | does it need special hardware to do cdma? or is that a software level feature? |
| 02:15.25 | vontrapp | you should start bugging cricket about carrying the neo |
| 02:15.42 | nick125 | CDMA requires a different chipset. |
| 02:15.55 | nick125 | jlund: How is GSM less advanced? |
| 02:16.07 | vontrapp | in any case, put that bug in cricket's ear |
| 02:16.30 | vontrapp | ack! so many tabs in firefox |
| 02:16.44 | nick125 | The main reason that they probably won't make a CDMA neo is because most carriers will not activate a device that isn't branded to them. |
| 02:18.00 | vontrapp | haha, wikipedias gsm entry says sms is a low cost alternative to making calls |
| 02:18.09 | vontrapp | too bad the providers saw it another way |
| 02:18.17 | vontrapp | ie, a way to nickel and dime you |
| 02:19.13 | vontrapp | nick125: that and gsm is so ubiquitous, they want the neo to be a world phone, it's just a launch pad, after all |
| 02:19.17 | vontrapp | others will follow |
| 02:20.16 | jlund | nick125: http://www.pctoday.com/Editorial/article.asp?article=articles/2006/t0401/24t01/24t01.asp |
| 02:20.19 | nick125 | Do you seriously think that providers like greedy Verizon will allow an *open* phone on their network? HAHAHAAHAHA |
| 02:20.57 | vontrapp | in time they will have to |
| 02:21.08 | nick125 | vontrapp: They haven't yet, and, they aren't planning on it. |
| 02:21.12 | jlund | That is a fairly decent summary. Cricket and Verizon both let you give them ESNs to activate on their network. You can use unlocked phones on both. |
| 02:21.14 | vontrapp | unless that is people like you refuse to change because people like verizon have conrol over you |
| 02:21.43 | nick125 | jlund: Last I checked, Verizon and Sprint will NOT activate devices that aren't branded to them. |
| 02:21.54 | nick125 | Cricket seems to activate anything. |
| 02:22.03 | vontrapp | he just said cricket and sprint will |
| 02:22.09 | vontrapp | he said nothing of verizon |
| 02:22.18 | vontrapp | oh, nm, he said verizon |
| 02:22.28 | jlund | Anyway, CDMA sucks if you travel overseas. I would be with T-mobile if I wasn't with Cricket. Cricket has been fantastic for me for the past two years. |
| 02:22.32 | vontrapp | yep, dislexia |
| 02:22.34 | nick125 | I know Sprint will refuse to activate anything non-Sprint. |
| 02:22.42 | nick125 | I'm pretty sure Verizon is the same. |
| 02:22.51 | vontrapp | anyone know if tmobile activates open phones? |
| 02:22.58 | nick125 | vontrapp: T-Mobile is GSM. |
| 02:23.12 | nick125 | You just take your SIM card out, and pop it into whatever phone you want. |
| 02:23.18 | vontrapp | ah yes |
| 02:23.33 | vontrapp | that would be why the neo is on gsm |
| 02:23.52 | vontrapp | what kind of sharing does gsm do? frequency? |
| 02:24.11 | nick125 | GSM in the US uses 850mhz and 1900mhz. |
| 02:24.37 | vontrapp | right, but where cdma is code division multiple access, what would gsm be? frequency division multiple access? |
| 02:24.40 | vontrapp | time division? |
| 02:25.11 | nick125 | According to the article that jlund posted, it's a type of TDMA. |
| 02:25.52 | nick125 | Ah, it looks like Verizon might activate a non-Verizon device. |
| 02:25.59 | vontrapp | jlund posted an article? |
| 02:26.16 | nick125 | part of an article least. |
| 02:26.17 | nick125 | 20:20 < jlund> nick125: |
| 02:26.17 | nick125 | http://www.pctoday.com/Editorial/article.asp?article=articles/2006/t0401/24t01/24t01.asp |
| 02:27.09 | nick125 | Verizon is pretty strict on their data as well. |
| 02:27.17 | vontrapp | pbb, "most importantly, does it look slick" |
| 02:27.22 | vontrapp | as if that's the most important |
| 02:28.53 | vontrapp | bah, just when i get going... "Subscribe now!" |
| 02:29.13 | jlund | Who do you guys have service through? I am pretty much sold on the neo1973 when it comes out so that means I'll have to switch. |
| 02:29.22 | vontrapp | tmobile |
| 02:29.22 | jlund | It seems that most people hate their providers :) |
| 02:29.31 | vontrapp | it has pretty good family plans |
| 02:29.46 | vontrapp | if you get a whole lot of people on, it ends up being pretty cheap for each individual |
| 02:29.53 | nick125 | Alltel seems to not activate non-alltel devices, but, if you lie to them, they will. |
| 02:30.02 | nick125 | I'm with T-Mobile here. |
| 02:30.41 | jlund | Yeah they are the lone exception to my hatred observation thus far. They are also doing cool things like their Wifi support for outgoing and incoming calls. |
| 02:30.57 | vontrapp | eh? what's that? |
| 02:31.08 | nick125 | the only thing that pisses me off about t-mobile is their lack of willingness for 3G |
| 02:31.34 | nick125 | And their poor phone selection. And their poor insurance carrier selection. |
| 02:31.49 | vontrapp | everyone wants 3g, but i don't get how anyone can afford to use the data cellphone data networks |
| 02:31.53 | vontrapp | they're sooooo expensive |
| 02:32.30 | vontrapp | nick125: when i joined my inlaw's t-mobile plan, i looked at phones before going online, then when i got to the store, i asked to see the phone i had decided on |
| 02:32.43 | vontrapp | they didn't have it, so i took my next pick |
| 02:32.55 | jlund | Here is more about T-Mobile's new Hot Spot service. It is pretty rad. http://www.theonlyphoneyouneed.com/ |
| 02:33.00 | vontrapp | they gave it to me for free, for the inconvenience of not having my desired model :) |
| 02:33.19 | nick125 | jlund: Oh, you are talking about their UMA service. |
| 02:34.40 | nick125 | It's an interesting technology, it has its bugs though. |
| 02:34.41 | vontrapp | so tmobile basically has a voip option now |
| 02:34.56 | nick125 | Mainly battery life and their poor phone selection (Especially that samsuck) |
| 02:35.10 | vontrapp | that's fine, the neo will do voip circles around them |
| 02:37.15 | jlund | We can only hope :) It would be pretty miraculous if the neo let you receive incoming calls through voip on your cell number though as that would require some cooperation from the provider. |
| 02:39.25 | vontrapp | have your main number, a voip number, that forwards to your cell number when you're not available on voip |
| 02:39.48 | nick125 | vontrapp: That already exists ;-) |
| 02:39.56 | vontrapp | there ya go |
| 02:40.07 | nick125 | UMA is using the same number and phone while on VoIP and cellular. |
| 02:40.18 | vontrapp | what's it stand for? |
| 02:40.47 | nick125 | Unlicensed Mobile Access. |
| 02:41.01 | vontrapp | unliscensed? what the heck does that mean? |
| 02:41.18 | nick125 | IEEE802.11 is an unlicensed spectrum. |
| 02:42.44 | Supaplex | Sargun: what's the make+model of the tape drive you were talking about? |
| 02:43.21 | vontrapp | aaah |
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| 03:46.38 | vontrapp | ~dict impostor |
| 03:46.51 | vontrapp | and all this time i thought it was imposter |
| 03:47.06 | fozzmoo | imposter |
| 03:47.07 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.07 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.07 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.24 | fozzmoo | Looks like both spellings are acceptable. |
| 04:05.11 | vontrapp | interesting, firefox didn't think so |
| 04:05.40 | vontrapp | aparently it's ispell, gaim marks imposter incorrect, too |
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| 17:10.29 | Tene | I need some advice about ram. |
| 17:12.11 | Tene | specifically, can 4r333 and ddr400 be used in the same system, or do the ram timings need to match? |
| 17:12.34 | Tene | s/4r/ddr/ |
| 17:12.56 | Supaplex | some boards don't like mix+match, but if it does, you usually get the slowest of all the sticks |
| 17:12.59 | nick125 | Tene: The system will downclock the DDR400 stick to DDR333. |
| 17:13.12 | nick125 | Supaplex: Some sticks of ram don't like it either |
| 17:13.20 | Supaplex | yeah, that to |
| 17:13.24 | nick125 | I had a stick of DDR400 that would not downclock to DDR333. |
| 17:13.27 | Tene | nick125: "wi'" or "probably will" |
| 17:24.38 | maquis | uh... question: if i run top and one of the itms has state="STOP", is there a way to fix that? |
| 17:25.18 | Tene | kill -CONT pid |
| 17:25.43 | maquis | hrm... apparently it decided to die on its own |
| 17:25.46 | maquis | curses... |
| 18:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, bind |
| 18:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Such a nice piece of software |
| 18:47.13 | nick125 | ScytheBlade1: Something like that. |
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| 19:26.25 | HumanCell | q: Anyone using spamhaus rbl? |
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