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| 00:21.55 | klysmoth | guess you're not busy |
| 00:22.25 | klysmoth | jsmith: I'm curious if you've been working on any project or C programming |
| 00:23.14 | jsmith | klysmoth: I've been working on several projects, and I've done *some* C programming |
| 00:23.26 | klysmoth | well, what's new? |
| 00:23.31 | jsmith | I *can* code myself out of a wet paper bag, as long as I've got vim and gdb |
| 00:23.49 | jsmith | Let's see.... new job, new house, and new lease on life... |
| 00:23.55 | klysmoth | new code? |
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| 00:24.28 | levi | Heh. I've got the new house, but I'm still on my original lease on life. ;) |
| 00:25.11 | klysmoth | yeah we don't all reincorporate when we get a new job, though some of us may splurge on groceries |
| 00:28.02 | jsmith | No, the reason I said "new lease on life" was that I had my appendix out (emergency style) over the 4th of July |
| 00:28.12 | klysmoth | oh, and my sister too |
| 00:28.19 | Supaplex | ouu, not fun |
| 00:28.40 | jsmith | Nope... right when I was trying to do painting and flooring on the new house |
| 00:30.15 | klysmoth | well my latest C/C++ program moves the irrlicht camera around asynchronously |
| 00:30.29 | klysmoth | jsmith: nwhat does your latest program do? |
| 00:31.31 | jsmith | Let's see... the latest C code I wrote fixed a problem with Asterisk in the way that certain prompts are read. |
| 00:31.37 | klysmoth | k |
| 00:31.55 | klysmoth | are you on the team or in any position to mail them a diff? |
| 00:31.56 | jsmith | I'm also dabbling a little bit in a few other bits of Asterisk, mostly related to call queues |
| 00:32.05 | jsmith | Sure! |
| 00:32.10 | jsmith | (Both) |
| 00:32.12 | levi | Oh, yow (re: the appendix) |
| 00:32.14 | klysmoth | k cool |
| 00:32.31 | jsmith | I'm not on the development team... I'm their Community Relations manager |
| 00:32.32 | levi | jsmith: What kind of flooring did you do? |
| 00:32.43 | jsmith | levi: Engineered hardwood |
| 00:33.01 | klysmoth | do you still recommend a X100P clone for desktop systems? |
| 00:33.03 | levi | Nice. I did laminate in my last place, but I'm thinking of engineered hardwood for this one. |
| 00:33.12 | levi | What install method did you use? |
| 00:33.14 | jsmith | klysmoth: Not only no, but *heck* no! |
| 00:33.29 | klysmoth | jsmith: what is cheap and better and can manage one phone line? |
| 00:33.49 | jsmith | levi: Floating, wide strips, glued together |
| 00:34.13 | jsmith | klysmoth: Get yourself a TDM11B... that gives you one FXO port (for a phone line) plus one FXS port (for an analog phone) |
| 00:34.14 | levi | jsmith: My house is on a slab, so I'd either do floating or glue-down. |
| 00:35.09 | klysmoth | $216.90 |
| 00:35.33 | levi | You could do a Sipura SPA-3000, too. |
| 00:35.56 | jsmith | klysmoth: Yeah, the SPA-3000 works too... |
| 00:36.03 | klysmoth | $75.95 |
| 00:36.10 | jsmith | It's slightly more complicated to wrap your head around the first time, but it works |
| 00:36.21 | klysmoth | what ever happened to the $15 item? |
| 00:36.27 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:36.38 | klysmoth | you're all too stuck up |
| 00:36.42 | klysmoth | ;) |
| 00:36.48 | levi | Well, if you just want to go straight VOIP, you can get a PAP2 for cheap. |
| 00:37.52 | jsmith | klysmoth: There's a reason it's $15 on eBay |
| 00:37.56 | klysmoth | $29.95 "heck no" http://cgi.ebay.com/Low-Profile-Authentic-X100P-SE-FXO-Digium-Asterisk-VoIP_W0QQitemZ130131427095QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:38.12 | jsmith | klysmoth: It'll echo like a tin can, and won't be able to tell when the remote party has hung up the call |
| 00:38.30 | klysmoth | ok, thank you for the reality check |
| 00:39.30 | klysmoth | geez, having a phone might take awhile |
| 00:40.06 | levi | Well, if you're getting a card with a FXO port, you presumably already have a phone. |
| 00:40.17 | klysmoth | presumably, I know |
| 00:41.47 | klysmoth | my tv capture card "Hauppauge WinTV" echoes like a tin can, so I have some experience with this type of hardware |
| 00:42.14 | Supaplex | wh wha what yo ou you sa say sayyy say? |
| 00:42.56 | klysmoth | getting good audio hardware is tough |
| 00:43.40 | klysmoth | why is the card better than the adapter? |
| 00:45.31 | klysmoth | "The X101P (note the 101, not 100) is a Low-end version of X100P which uses low grade chips" |
| 00:48.56 | klysmoth | jsmith: did you have a look at the page I pulled up? |
| 00:49.42 | jsmith | klysmoth: No, why would I? |
| 00:50.08 | klysmoth | it compares the X100P to clones, and says a lot of stuff about why you would be getting those symptoms |
| 00:51.28 | jsmith | It doesn't mention remote disconnect supervision |
| 00:51.54 | jsmith | And it doesn't mention echo |
| 00:52.07 | jsmith | And it doesn't mention irq sharing issues |
| 00:52.46 | jsmith | You might convince someone else to buy a cheap card, but if your time is worth anything, the Digium card or the SPA-3000 are cheaper in the long run. |
| 00:53.08 | klysmoth | "Digital Gain Control (Transmit and Receive)" |
| 00:54.04 | klysmoth | and why is the Digium card better than the Sipura card? |
| 00:54.15 | klysmoth | erm, adapter |
| 00:54.30 | klysmoth | bbl |
| 00:58.27 | jsmith | klysmoth: Well, it's only better for certain definitions of "better". |
| 00:58.33 | jsmith | (How's that for an answer) |
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| 02:54.32 | rsimpkins | I am so confuzzled. |
| 02:54.51 | rsimpkins | mail works on one system, but not on another identical system (or they should be identical any way). |
| 02:55.10 | sinuhe | Mail, as in the MTA? |
| 02:55.17 | rsimpkins | mail as in mailx |
| 02:55.52 | sinuhe | What is it that is different? |
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| 02:57.16 | rsimpkins | I wish I knew. i've checked everything - libs, packages, everything. |
| 02:57.24 | rsimpkins | configs - all look exactly the same. |
| 02:57.44 | rsimpkins | I'm left to conclude it isn't the server but the network or something. |
| 02:57.50 | sinuhe | You must know something is different to report that it is not working as expected. |
| 02:58.00 | sinuhe | What is it you expect that you are not getting? |
| 02:58.03 | rsimpkins | The documentation on how mailx decides with MTA to send mail to is non-existent. |
| 02:58.13 | rsimpkins | s/with/which |
| 02:59.02 | sinuhe | mailx defaults to whatever the default MTA is. What OS are you running on the system that mailx does not work as expected? |
| 02:59.12 | rsimpkins | Linux |
| 02:59.14 | rsimpkins | RHEL |
| 02:59.19 | sinuhe | RHEL5? |
| 02:59.24 | rsimpkins | 4.4 |
| 02:59.41 | rsimpkins | sinuhe: Where is the default MTA configured? |
| 02:59.43 | sinuhe | sendmail is the default for RHEL. |
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| 03:01.19 | rsimpkins | Keep in mind sendmail isn't running on these machines. |
| 03:01.26 | sinuhe | rsimpkins: The MTA configuration is specific to the application in question. I find it easiest to assume sendmail. |
| 03:01.45 | rsimpkins | If it were I probably wouldn't have this particular issue. |
| 03:01.56 | sinuhe | rsimpkins: postfix? |
| 03:02.32 | levi_home | Grr, a website I need to use seems to have broken in the middle of my session. |
| 03:02.32 | rsimpkins | Nope - no mail daemons at all should be or are running on these systems. |
| 03:02.47 | sinuhe | So install sendmail. |
| 03:02.57 | sinuhe | Or whatever MTA suits your fancy. |
| 03:03.22 | rsimpkins | When managing several thousand servers it is considered a good idea to keep them all as identical as possible. |
| 03:03.46 | rsimpkins | So when several dozen are working just fine without sendmail running, and one is not, I have to conclude the one is jacked. :) |
| 03:05.05 | sinuhe | mailx relies on an MTA. How you are emailing without it I find confusing, unless mailx has a new feature I'm not aware of. |
| 03:05.38 | sinuhe | There are assistive applications, like one (I fail to remember the name) from the GNU Project. |
| 03:05.59 | sinuhe | Perhaps mailx is configured to use a remote MTA? |
| 03:06.06 | jpwhiting | ssmtp? |
| 03:06.47 | rsimpkins | I'm guessing it has some method to find a remote MTA, because that's what all the others are doing. |
| 03:06.52 | jpwhiting | mailx will work with ssmtp to send through any smtp server |
| 03:06.57 | rsimpkins | I just can't seem to find how that process works. |
| 03:07.28 | sinuhe | rsimpkins: I don't think mailx knows how to do this on its own, but mailx is the least familiar to me. I am more familiar with BSD Mail and GNU mailutils. |
| 03:08.14 | rsimpkins | I doubt it does it on it's own either - it is probably a GNU lib that figures out which MTA to route the mail through. |
| 03:10.53 | sinuhe | anubis is the only GNU util I know of capable of doing this. |
| 03:12.32 | rsimpkins | Well, mailx does do it. |
| 03:12.40 | rsimpkins | I just don't know how yet. |
| 03:13.12 | sinuhe | "I doubt it does it on its own" and "mailx does do it" doesn't follow. |
| 03:13.32 | rsimpkins | Well, it uses a feature that does it |
| 03:13.45 | rsimpkins | And until i know which feature that is - who knows. |
| 03:14.00 | sinuhe | rpm -qa | grep anubis? |
| 03:14.05 | rsimpkins | not installed |
| 03:14.07 | sinuhe | (Shot in the dark) |
| 03:14.14 | rsimpkins | on any system |
| 03:15.06 | rsimpkins | So on a working system mailx does 'Connecting to [10.20.0.111] via relay...' - where does it find that relay? I have no clue. |
| 03:15.29 | rsimpkins | that IP nor the associated hostname is anywhere revleaed by a recursive grep in /etc |
| 03:16.24 | rsimpkins | The non-working system is attempting to relay it through localhost, which of course doesn't work because there isn't an MTA on the localhost. |
| 03:17.05 | sinuhe | Firewall port forwarding to a specific MTA relay box? (another shot in the dark) |
| 03:17.53 | rsimpkins | Yeah, i'm shooting in the dark too, I'll check that though. |
| 03:18.59 | sinuhe | What does rpm -qa | smtp find? |
| 03:19.15 | sinuhe | On the box that works |
| 03:19.37 | rsimpkins | Duh duh da da!!! |
| 03:19.44 | rsimpkins | I just needed to talk it through with you guys. |
| 03:19.50 | rsimpkins | I forgot to check submit.cf |
| 03:19.54 | sinuhe | Doh |
| 03:19.58 | rsimpkins | Missing smarthost entry. |
| 03:20.08 | rsimpkins | Thanks for the sounding board. |
| 03:20.27 | sinuhe | Isn't submit.cf part of sendmail? |
| 03:21.00 | rsimpkins | Yeah. |
| 03:21.09 | rsimpkins | Why does mailx care? I have no clue. |
| 03:21.11 | rsimpkins | But it does. |
| 03:21.22 | sinuhe | I thought you said sendmail wasn't installed? |
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| 03:21.31 | rsimpkins | it is installed, but not running. |
| 03:21.43 | rsimpkins | Sorry for not making that clear. |
| 03:21.46 | sinuhe | Oh, as a daemon. That's a significantly different answer. |
| 03:22.09 | sinuhe | Sendmail can still relay mail without running as a daemon. |
| 03:22.47 | rsimpkins | It appears that is true. |
| 03:24.53 | rsimpkins | More details here - as this is logged - might help someone some day: http://docsun.cites.uiuc.edu/sun_docs/C/solaris_9/SUNWaadm/SYSADV4/p101.html#SENDMAIL-122 |
| 03:25.31 | sinuhe | rsimpkins: BSD mail (which mailx takes after) writes directly to /var/spool/mqueue/. When running sendmail -q, it combines the header file and the mail file from that directory relays them. |
| 03:25.46 | sinuhe | s/relays/and relays/ |
| 03:26.44 | rsimpkins | In this particular version of mailx it doesn't appear to rely on sendmail -q, nor /var/spool/mqueue. Writes it to /tmp, then calls the MSP mode of sendmail and sends it that way. |
| 03:27.00 | sinuhe | Interesting. |
| 03:27.24 | rsimpkins | Yeah, for sure one of the dustier parts of mail config. :) |
| 03:27.39 | sinuhe | Sendmail tends to do things to many ways, instead of doing things one or two more reasonable ways. |
| 03:27.48 | rsimpkins | Agreed. |
| 03:27.48 | sinuhe | s/to man/too man/ |
| 03:28.12 | rsimpkins | Someday we'll convince the powers that be to install something else on 8600 servers. But until then we are stuck with it. |
| 03:29.15 | sinuhe | The problem is that we old farts (OK, I'm not *that* old, but I feel like it) cut our teeth on sendmail. When you spend that much effort, and then some new program (like postfix) comes along and does it right, it's annoying, because all that effort has lots its monopoly. |
| 03:29.26 | rsimpkins | sinuhe: I take that back. |
| 03:29.32 | rsimpkins | sinuhe: It writes the mail to /var/spool/clientmqueue |
| 03:29.47 | rsimpkins | Which, on this system, is LOADED with several days of back mail. :) |
| 03:29.54 | sinuhe | Heh |
| 03:30.19 | rsimpkins | I'm forcing it through now |
| 03:31.28 | sinuhe | I've spent over ten years with sendmail. Only recently are others convincing me that it needs to abandoned. Most tell me postfix, and I see their point, but smail/exim seems a more reasonable compromise for this old BSD nerd who doesn't want to move into the future. |
| 03:31.59 | rsimpkins | 475M worth of back mail. |
| 03:32.17 | sinuhe | Oh my. |
| 03:32.25 | sinuhe | Grrrriiind. |
| 03:32.35 | sinuhe | s/rrrr/rrr/ |
| 03:33.18 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 03:33.19 | ibot | where's my moose? |
| 03:35.07 | sinuhe | Any Exim fans here? |
| 03:50.24 | JoshH | i dislike mtas in general, but exim is decent once you get used to it |
| 03:50.41 | JoshH | maybe not as easy as postfix |
| 03:54.54 | sinuhe | JoshH: dislike MTAs? |
| 03:55.56 | JoshH | well, mail isn't one of my favorite things to work with |
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| 04:28.23 | findlay | herlo: pong |
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| 05:11.24 | rsimpkins | Does anyone here know if itunes jacks with normal MP3s at all? |
| 05:11.31 | rsimpkins | Does it modify them in any way, etc? |
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| 05:19.04 | findlay | herlo: pong! |
| 05:19.07 | findlay | ~pong |
| 05:19.08 | ibot | PING! |
| 05:19.14 | findlay | ~pong herlo |
| 05:19.14 | ibot | herlo: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 05:26.49 | klysmoth | well, I doubt it |
| 05:27.15 | klysmoth | though yuo can change id3 taqgs, etc. |
| 05:27.18 | klysmoth | tags |
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| 06:10.31 | Supaplex | ~lart yesterday |
| 06:10.31 | ibot | cuts yesterday into thin stripes |
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| 06:53.03 | herlo | findlay: you still there? |
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| 12:47.40 | atoponce | those are big dinosaurs |
| 12:48.01 | Tene | You're a big dinosaur. |
| 12:48.32 | atoponce | ~eat Tene |
| 12:48.33 | ibot | ACTION eats Tene and falls over dead |
| 12:50.16 | Tene | ~dinosaur atoponce |
| 12:51.41 | Tene | ~sinuhe atoponce |
| 12:51.42 | ibot | ACTION describes all the benefits of GNU*PLUS*Linux to atoponce |
| 12:52.05 | atoponce | it leenux |
| 12:52.12 | atoponce | (n00b) |
| 12:52.50 | Tene | http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/08/02/stem.cell.fraud.ap/index.html |
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| 14:29.32 | elg | klys: I just saw 3 of those x100p (brand new) utterly fail to be useful. they won't even initialize if they're sharing IRQs |
| 14:30.30 | elg | I recommend the spa-3000 for similar reasons. the digium tdm cards are quality, but anything internal to your PC is going to cause you more issues with everything from IRQ to power to EM interference |
| 14:32.45 | elg | so unless you have a dedicated server with high quality components, you're likely to have more trouble even with the TDM than with an ATA like the SPA3000 |
| 14:32.57 | elg | and the x100p is just masochism |
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| 14:46.08 | Shadowwire | Friday. |
| 14:50.48 | Shadowwire | Friday? What about friday. |
| 14:50.52 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 14:51.20 | Shadowwire | You know, Today is friday, I was ecpecting someone to say something about friday. |
| 14:51.34 | Shadowwire | whatever. Hey are you talking to yourself? |
| 14:51.45 | Shadowwire | no, Im talking to you. |
| 14:52.07 | Shadowwire | Oh. . . Wait a minute. |
| 14:52.14 | Jayce^ | goozbach, finally got my Planet Eclipse bag last night.. |
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| 14:52.51 | Shadowwire | ~lart crazy people |
| 14:52.51 | ibot | puts crazy people through a wood chipper |
| 14:57.23 | klys | hey! |
| 14:58.00 | klys | further analysis is required. two words, they mean together what ever you meant by crazy just now |
| 15:00.52 | klys | an adverb and an adjective |
| 15:02.42 | klys | friday, is the day when work is less important than your appointments |
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| 15:03.51 | klys | monday through thursday, work is the most important, yet friday, work while hectic is already practically taken care of |
| 15:05.54 | klys | saturday just has work for salesmen and slave labourers |
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| 15:16.17 | Shadowwire | I must be a slave. |
| 15:16.53 | Shadowwire | you know, you dont fire slaves, you sell them. |
| 15:18.01 | Shadowwire | Insane wheres that? |
| 15:18.24 | Jayce^ | insane in the membrane |
| 15:18.27 | Shadowwire | sorry, need punctuation |
| 15:18.58 | Shadowwire | you should always give 100% at work. |
| 15:20.05 | Shadowwire | 10% on monday, 20% on tuesday 40% on wednesday 29% on thursday and 1% on friday. |
| 15:20.14 | klys | ;) |
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| 15:25.10 | Shadowwire | ibot: Moooo? |
| 15:25.30 | Shadowwire | ~lart moooo |
| 15:25.30 | ibot | calls moooo on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 15:25.46 | Shadowwire | ~lart moooo |
| 15:25.46 | ibot | eats moooo's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 15:26.08 | klys | it's cronbot |
| 15:26.28 | Shadowwire | its da who. the Wha? |
| 15:27.02 | klys | the cron incarnate reminding us of TR's crontab |
| 15:27.08 | Shadowwire | the whodawha? |
| 15:27.15 | Shadowwire | the whadawho? |
| 15:27.30 | klys | the file /etc/crontab of course being the linux task manager |
| 15:29.02 | Shadowwire | oh, of course. |
| 15:29.36 | klys | then, it becomes apparent that it's an onjoin for fozzycritteroverthere |
| 15:32.46 | klys | ...reinforcing the oblivious |
| 15:33.18 | klys | ...which is easy to do with irc, all you have to do is join and leave a few times |
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| 15:34.01 | klys | we are now oblivious to... friday |
| 15:36.09 | klys | /were/ now oblivious |
| 15:37.59 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 15:38.08 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I heard what you said. |
| 15:38.18 | klys | pick me one |
| 15:38.40 | klys | my theory on Shadowwire's crazy right now is 'stingily off-topic' |
| 15:39.38 | goozbach | the first thing you need to do is get wrist control |
| 15:40.17 | klys | and then we'd be doning something with windows instead of typing? |
| 15:40.31 | Shadowwire | I would be lying if I claimed to not be confused... Wait... |
| 15:41.00 | klys | s/doni/doi/ |
| 15:42.09 | klys | wrist control: hands fixed behind the back (I'm sure) |
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| 15:42.28 | fozzmoo | Is DHCP usually done via UDP or TCP? |
| 15:42.33 | levi | UDP |
| 15:42.40 | fozzmoo | That's what I thought. |
| 15:43.08 | fozzmoo | I'm doing a presentation on IPC today for my wife's department. :) |
| 15:43.14 | klys | also it uses your bcast address so make sure you're using the same network |
| 15:45.00 | klys | er, usually 255.255.255.255 |
| 15:45.08 | sontek | we are looking for a network admin that knows both windows and linux, if you can code its a plus =) |
| 15:45.27 | klys | location? |
| 15:45.45 | fozzmoo | code in what? |
| 15:45.46 | sontek | south salt lake |
| 15:45.55 | sontek | fozzmoo: C# and Python |
| 15:46.04 | fozzmoo | sontek: What kind of Pay? |
| 15:46.07 | Jayce^ | ~raspberry sontek |
| 15:46.13 | fozzmoo | I knwo someone who might be interested. |
| 15:46.24 | fozzmoo | He's more of a VB and Perl guy. |
| 15:46.54 | sontek | fozzmoo: Depends on what kind of experience but $45k-$60k |
| 15:47.12 | sontek | fozzmoo: as long as he understands the logic behind coding we can teach him the rest |
| 15:47.20 | fozzmoo | Where shoudl I have him send his resume? |
| 15:47.28 | sontek | janderson@orchidesolutions.com |
| 15:47.35 | fozzmoo | k. thanks. |
| 15:47.46 | Jayce^ | sontek, janderson ?? :-p |
| 15:47.59 | sontek | Jayce^: I haven't got it legally changed yet! ;) |
| 15:48.20 | fozzmoo | changed to what? |
| 15:48.27 | sontek | I want my name changed to sontek |
| 15:48.33 | sontek | John Anderson is to generic |
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| 15:48.51 | Jayce^ | be unique, JohnAnderson_ would work |
| 15:49.01 | sontek | JohnAnderson^ |
| 15:49.10 | Jayce^ | hey, even better :) |
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| 15:50.52 | Shadowwire | isnt john andreson the guys name on that one.. movie... Dang |
| 15:51.24 | sontek | In high school at a wrestling tournament I had to go against 2 other John Andersons :P |
| 15:51.41 | Shadowwire | it must be generic? |
| 15:51.59 | Shadowwire | Ive never met annother Zaphod Beeblebrox. |
| 15:52.04 | Shadowwire | jk |
| 15:52.07 | fozzmoo | What was Neo's first name in The Matrix? |
| 15:52.15 | beandog | Geo |
| 15:52.15 | Shadowwire | mr? |
| 15:52.19 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 15:52.35 | Shadowwire | I dunno? |
| 15:52.47 | fozzmoo | Let's just say it's John. :) |
| 15:52.58 | Shadowwire | sounds good. |
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| 15:53.28 | Shadowwire | whats the name of that movie with the precogs? |
| 15:53.49 | Jayce^ | minority report |
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| 16:00.11 | fozzmoo | Anyone have an example of a client server model in use that only uses Request RPC (as opposed to Request-Reply or others)? |
| 16:00.24 | fozzmoo | (Over UDP) |
| 16:00.50 | fozzmoo | Basically, where the server doesn't reply with any information. The client just sends requests... blindly and doesn't expect anything back. |
| 16:01.30 | Jayce^ | a shotgun? :) |
| 16:01.34 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 16:02.04 | fozzmoo | The only thing I can think of would be some sort of presence notification protocol. |
| 16:02.22 | fozzmoo | Something where the client is notifying the server of some sort of presence or status. |
| 16:02.36 | Jayce^ | a ddos maybe? |
| 16:02.42 | fozzmoo | ooooh. |
| 16:04.23 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Sure... I've heard of it... but why? |
| 16:04.40 | fozzmoo | I'm teaching a little class on IPC at my wife's work today. |
| 16:05.10 | fozzmoo | She wants her QA personnel to maybe know something about distributed systems. |
| 16:05.17 | fozzmoo | I don't know why! ;-) |
| 16:06.56 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Are there some VOIP protocols where the client just blindly send UDP packets and *hope* the server is doing something useful with them? I.e. the client doesn't expect a reply? |
| 16:07.21 | levi | fozzmoo: Look at LLDP |
| 16:07.37 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Not very often... but if the messaging doesn't work correctly, you often end up doing that (but not on purpose) |
| 16:07.44 | fozzmoo | I know you'd never build up communication that way, but once you've established communication, I can see how that would be useful. |
| 16:07.53 | levi | Link-Layer Discovery Protocol, a recently-standardized IEEE protocol. |
| 16:08.48 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yes, after the communication is setup, then VoIP blindly sends the packets along |
| 16:08.56 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Go look at the RFC for RTP |
| 16:09.34 | jsmith | Well, at least it's easier than RTSP, and more common than RTCP |
| 16:09.53 | jsmith | And let's not get into SRTP and ZRTP |
| 16:11.38 | levi | Hmm, my router just dropped off the net. I wonder if the power went out at home. |
| 16:12.20 | fozzmoo | You're just imagining things, levi. |
| 16:12.37 | levi | See? No route to host. |
| 16:12.41 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:12.49 | herlo | ~route fozzmoo |
| 16:18.37 | RyanE | if you're in Lehi, it very well could be a power outage... :) |
| 16:19.58 | Shadowwire | and if your in cedar fort, Well I dont think they even get power out there. :) |
| 16:20.53 | jsmith | They should have built the fort out of copper! |
| 16:24.13 | jpwhiting | jsmith: at least they don't get moths ;) |
| 16:24.33 | jsmith | jpwhiting: Good point... and they get that wonderful cedar smell... |
| 16:24.55 | jpwhiting | yep |
| 16:24.59 | jpwhiting | :) |
| 16:25.05 | levi | Hmm, I got 4 ping replies, and then silence again. |
| 16:29.44 | Shadowwire | ~ping klys |
| 16:29.45 | ibot | pong klys |
| 16:31.32 | RyanE | levi: if you need more ping replies, I've got tons to spare. Just let me know. |
| 16:31.34 | levi | It wasn't a power outage, it was my daughter playing with cables. |
| 16:31.43 | RyanE | that's worse. |
| 16:31.50 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:32.02 | levi | The computer is currently set up on the floor in a corner of the master bedroom. |
| 16:32.10 | levi | So everything is readily accessible. |
| 16:32.14 | Shadowwire | nice |
| 16:32.26 | Shadowwire | Convienient for the kids. |
| 16:32.38 | levi | Well, we don't want it to be there permanently, but that's the only place with a phone jack for the DSL. |
| 16:32.58 | RyanE | ouch. Time for some rewiring... but you knew that... :) |
| 16:33.14 | levi | So, we've got the closable computer hutch up there now, but I've been too busy trying to get my Myth box up to move everything into the hutch. |
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| 16:36.01 | Shadowwire | its cold in here. Brrrr. |
| 16:36.18 | Shadowwire | and quiet too. |
| 16:37.46 | mrpull | hey all |
| 16:38.14 | mrpull | anybody gotta one-liner to create a strongly encrypted tarball on a solaris box? |
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| 16:40.05 | elg | strongly encrypted tarball? |
| 16:40.16 | elg | tar stuff and pipe it into gpg |
| 16:40.18 | elg | ? |
| 16:40.24 | Shadowwire | I got lots of one liners, Wrong context however. |
| 16:40.38 | elg | a tarball rolled into a forest... |
| 16:40.44 | mrpull | elg: that is the line of thought I was going down |
| 16:40.57 | mrpull | looking for validation |
| 16:41.10 | elg | i validate your approach |
| 16:41.39 | RyanE | elg's validations are only good for 30 minutes, so you'd better eat and get outta here. |
| 16:42.30 | mrpull | it seems there have been many a flamewar about whether encrypting before or after compression is the "right" way to do it. |
| 16:43.01 | Shadowwire | Before I would say. |
| 16:43.14 | elg | mrpull: well that all depends on what you want |
| 16:43.25 | elg | if you encrypt after, it won't even be recognizable as a tarball |
| 16:43.34 | Shadowwire | Both? |
| 16:43.35 | mrpull | speed is more important than space in this case |
| 16:43.41 | elg | do it after |
| 16:43.45 | Shadowwire | Aha. |
| 16:43.52 | elg | easier, faster (assuming decent compression) |
| 16:44.07 | elg | and plenty good enough I'm sure |
| 16:44.22 | elg | you could even do it before it hits the disk, if you have tar send to stdout instead of a file |
| 16:44.24 | mrpull | i understand it will compress quite nicely |
| 16:44.56 | mrpull | ok. it it looks like we are going in the right direction... other than I'm not sure if any of the GNU tools are on this box :-/ |
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| 17:19.41 | albino | Anyone recommend a good place to colo boxes in the utah county or salt lake county areas? |
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| 17:33.31 | levi | elg: Can't get to your blog |
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| 17:37.24 | Tene | albino: xmission |
| 17:37.59 | albino | Tene: any others? |
| 17:39.44 | Jayce^ | xmission is best, fibernet works |
| 17:40.04 | bbeattie | xmission is good, and not too expensive. There's are a bunch of co-lo's and each is unique in what they call security so you have to decide what you need and want to pay for. |
| 17:48.11 | elg | levi: Seems my server or network connection is down |
| 17:48.29 | levi | Seems that way. |
| 17:48.53 | elg | looking like network |
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| 17:58.09 | levi | elg: It is alive again. |
| 17:58.31 | elg | my son had unplugged the internet |
| 17:59.35 | levi | Whoops. |
| 17:59.39 | levi | Kids tend to do that. |
| 18:01.24 | findlay | herlo: no |
| 18:12.50 | elg | levi: there's a little syntactic sugar you could use. I should have thought of it before: %w(oggdec -o - -q) << pathname |
| 18:13.25 | levi | That looks very perly, but otherwise cool. |
| 18:14.35 | levi | Did you ever look at the Swine Before Perl slides? |
| 18:14.41 | Shadowwire | Hey Klys! |
| 18:14.45 | levi | Alas, I haven't been able to find a copy of the audio anywhere. |
| 18:15.53 | elg | levi: yeah, i'd probably use this form actually, because it's easier to modify later (and to type), but not quite as readable which is top priority in a blog post: "oggdec -o - -q".split.push(pathname) |
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| 18:17.13 | levi | What I like about the scsh syntax is that it's pretty much exactly the same as shell syntax in prefix form with parentheses. |
| 18:17.53 | elg | it's nice, yes, but don't you have to use ' or quotes or something for the literals? |
| 18:18.13 | elg | my scheme is rusty |
| 18:18.47 | jsmith | I think it's just a nasty scheme to make me want to learn scheme |
| 18:18.50 | elg | it's hard to beat bash when emulating bash syntax though. :) |
| 18:19.22 | elg | If I didn't want to do fancy stuff using the ruby taglib bindings (taglib rocks socks), I'd have done the whole thing in bash instead and never thought twice about piping things together |
| 18:19.25 | levi | elg: Nope, it's implemented with macros. |
| 18:20.03 | levi | So you literally write something like (| (ls -l) (grep "foo")) |
| 18:20.03 | elg | so how does it know foo is not a variable but arg1 is? what if you have parentheses? what about quotes? |
| 18:20.27 | elg | (| (ls -l) (grep "foo bar")) |
| 18:20.28 | levi | You can 'unquote' things to interpret them as scheme. |
| 18:20.53 | elg | ah. that's nice |
| 18:21.02 | elg | another point to the house of macros |
| 18:21.14 | findlay | this stupid windows box (brand new) keeps freezing up and beeping at me |
| 18:21.15 | levi | The unquote operator is a comma, just like standard scheme quasiquote syntax. |
| 18:22.05 | levi | Anything inside one of the process form macros is interpreted as a process form, and you can use (begin . <code>) to evaluate a Scheme form or use the unquote. |
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| 18:34.17 | sjansen | sick |
| 18:34.18 | sjansen | and |
| 18:34.21 | sjansen | wrong |
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| 18:34.50 | sjansen | If Bourne had meant for us to interact with our shells using Scheme he would have written it that way to begin with. |
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| 18:35.21 | levi | sjansen: I'm pretty sure that wasn't an option back then. |
| 18:35.38 | sjansen | I rest my case. |
| 18:35.56 | levi | scsh is one of the coolest pieces of unix scripting software around, your lack of taste notwithstanding. |
| 18:36.27 | levi | It has a built-in awk-like language, too. |
| 18:38.11 | levi | I used it to munge the output of an accelerometer into x, y, and z data that I could graph with gnuplot. |
| 18:38.58 | sjansen | ~taste levi |
| 18:42.26 | harleypig | Is there any known problem with starting spectre from the apache startup.pl script? |
| 18:42.33 | harleypig | err ... wrong window |
| 18:44.58 | harleypig | How can you overuse "thank you" |
| 18:45.01 | harleypig | ? |
| 18:45.23 | sinuhe | sjansen: Have you got something against LISP? |
| 18:46.04 | sinuhe | sjansen: (think Beavis and Butt Head: are you threatening me?) |
| 18:46.39 | sjansen | ~frog sinuhe |
| 18:46.39 | ibot | ACTION shoves a frog down sinuhe's throat |
| 18:46.57 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:46.57 | ibot | flings poo at sjansen |
| 18:47.21 | levi | scsh also lets you do (|+ (<connect list>) <process 1> <process 2>) that lets you specify exactly how the fds from one process hook into the other. |
| 18:47.21 | sjansen | harleypig: Uhm... I'm going need you to come in to work Saturday. Thank you. |
| 18:47.50 | herlo | ~theoffice sjansen |
| 18:48.01 | sjansen | harleypig: I had your car towed so my spouse could park closer to the office. Thank you. |
| 18:48.03 | findlay | ~work harleypig KTHXBYE |
| 18:48.04 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of harleypig KTHXBYE to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so harleypig KTHXBYE can play bzflag |
| 18:48.04 | herlo | ~officespace sjansen |
| 18:48.15 | findlay | herlo: pong |
| 18:48.26 | herlo | findlay: uno momento |
| 18:48.33 | findlay | UNO! |
| 18:48.48 | maquis | blue 3 |
| 18:48.50 | sjansen | harleypig: Due to budget constrains, your position is no longer deemed critical. Thank you. |
| 18:48.52 | harleypig | Holy cow! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc6_1186137624 |
| 18:49.25 | herlo | ibot: ~officespace $1 <action> is Uhm... $1 I'm going need you to come in to work Saturday. |
| 18:49.26 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 18:49.26 | harleypig | sjansen: Uh ... which position would that be? |
| 18:49.31 | herlo | ~officespace harleypig |
| 18:49.33 | maquis | harleypig: well, they use it *constantly* |
| 18:49.43 | RyanE | Thank You |
| 18:49.51 | findlay | THANKYOU! |
| 18:49.51 | harleypig | Oh ... from officespace |
| 18:49.54 | herlo | ibot: officespace $1 is <action> Uhm... $1 I'm going need you to come in to work Saturday. |
| 18:49.54 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 18:49.57 | herlo | ~officespace harleypig |
| 18:49.58 | ibot | ACTION Uhm... harleypig I'm going need you to come in to work Saturday. |
| 18:50.03 | maquis | harleypig: like... i make a quick config change, and my manager comes by to say thank you |
| 18:50.07 | RyanE | More like Uhhhhhmmmm... |
| 18:50.37 | findlay | ~thank maquis |
| 18:50.37 | ibot | findlay: pas de quoi |
| 18:50.40 | sjansen | harleypig: Actually, just a random sentence that seemed inappropriate to end with "thank you". |
| 18:50.46 | levi | Another of the cool things is that you can put arbitrary scheme code in the middle of your pipeline with the (begin . <form>) process form. |
| 18:50.47 | findlay | ~thankyou maquis |
| 18:50.47 | ibot | findlay: gern geschehen |
| 18:51.03 | maquis | or... he comes by to ask how something's going, and i tell them, and they act like i've done something really great |
| 18:51.06 | maquis | it's kinda weird |
| 18:51.24 | sjansen | maquis: It's a sign you're working too hard. He obviously expects less from you. |
| 18:51.47 | RyanE | maquis: where do you work? (thank you in advance) |
| 18:51.55 | harleypig | holy crap, the guys *shoes* fly off ... |
| 18:51.58 | sjansen | Give the poor give a break. Sluff off a little so he doesn't have to keep thanking you. |
| 18:52.00 | harleypig | and he still walks away |
| 18:52.22 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.49 | maquis | sjansen: i'll keep that in mind... |
| 18:54.21 | herlo | ~shutup Lamont |
| 18:55.27 | sinuhe | herlo: I didn't realize Lamont lurked here, (though a sense of his lurking may be felt everywhere). |
| 18:58.44 | Shadowwire | rats my xenix machine just locked up. |
| 18:59.00 | sinuhe | I remember working with Xenix. |
| 19:00.12 | herlo | sinuhe: from time to time he appears as peregrinus |
| 19:00.41 | herlo | sinuhe: he's normally peregrine, but its already registered in here |
| 19:00.58 | herlo | as in freenode |
| 19:01.49 | goozbach | lamont isn't here |
| 19:02.09 | elg | goozbach is though, and that ought to be enough for you |
| 19:02.23 | goozbach | at least not in any incarnation I have ever seen him in |
| 19:02.38 | herlo | goozbach: aye |
| 19:02.40 | elg | maquis: maybe they think you're about to soar into higher management and you'll be boss |
| 19:02.56 | maquis | elg: lol |
| 19:03.37 | elg | are you gunning? be honest now |
| 19:04.03 | maquis | i'd like to stay as a dev, at least for now |
| 19:04.17 | maquis | no idea long-term, but at least for a few years i'd like to stay in development |
| 19:04.35 | maquis | although moving from being a junior dev that gets all the projects nobody else wants would be nice :) |
| 19:05.23 | herlo | findlay: still gonna have the quartet come and play at UTOSC? |
| 19:05.58 | findlay | herlo: sure, when? |
| 19:06.30 | herlo | findlay: Thursday night |
| 19:06.40 | findlay | next Thursday? |
| 19:06.45 | herlo | September 6, approximately 5:30pm |
| 19:07.02 | findlay | how long? |
| 19:07.04 | herlo | findlay: I'd like to have you guys there maybe a bit earlier... |
| 19:07.20 | elg | say 2pm |
| 19:07.24 | herlo | findlay: 15 minutes or so of prelude and maybe some postlude? Its up to you... |
| 19:07.39 | elg | what, is this the utosc worship service? |
| 19:07.40 | herlo | the presentations start at 6pm IIRC |
| 19:07.43 | findlay | what would we pre and post luding? |
| 19:07.56 | herlo | elg: haha |
| 19:08.03 | herlo | ~dict prelud |
| 19:08.04 | herlo | ~dict prelude |
| 19:08.08 | sjansen | elg: I'm shocked you'd even suggest maquis would think taking a gun to work is an appropriate way to get a promotion. |
| 19:08.13 | herlo | ~dict 1 prelude |
| 19:08.26 | herlo | ~dict 1 postlude |
| 19:08.36 | herlo | ~dict 2 postlude |
| 19:08.54 | sjansen | ~give herlo a dictionary |
| 19:08.54 | ibot | ACTION gives a dictionary to herlo |
| 19:08.54 | herlo | findlay: does that help? |
| 19:09.22 | herlo | ~officespace sjansen |
| 19:09.23 | ibot | ACTION Uhm... sjansen I'm going need you to come in to work Saturday. |
| 19:09.50 | findlay | herlo: Bruce will be speaking during this dinner, right? |
| 19:09.56 | herlo | yeah |
| 19:10.06 | herlo | findlay: http://www.utosc.org/sessions/ |
| 19:10.08 | findlay | and he can sure talk :) |
| 19:10.18 | findlay | but I think I will be able to do it |
| 19:10.23 | herlo | findlay: true, but he's gotta go to bed sometime |
| 19:10.31 | findlay | I'll let you know for sure soon |
| 19:11.04 | herlo | findlay: k, following up is all |
| 19:12.41 | elg | tune in next week when herlo follows down |
| 19:13.34 | herlo | elg: heh |
| 19:14.09 | findlay | I'd tune in for that |
| 19:21.58 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 19:23.39 | Jayce^ | pong |
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| 19:29.14 | sjansen | king |
| 19:31.21 | fozzmoo | Okay. IPC class went well. |
| 19:31.27 | fozzmoo | Heading back to the office. |
| 19:35.03 | findlay | yay, I got something to work |
| 19:35.14 | findlay | ~give me a treat |
| 19:35.15 | ibot | ACTION gives a treat to findlay |
| 19:35.21 | findlay | yay |
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| 20:01.24 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc6_1186137624 |
| 20:01.34 | harleypig | It weighs less than 15 lbs! |
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| 20:07.15 | findlay | why does ldap have to be so wierd? |
| 20:07.30 | fozzmoo | Because X.500 is bizarre. |
| 20:07.54 | findlay | crazy academics, think they know everything |
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| 20:08.16 | fozzmoo | I.know.Let's.connect.everything.with.dots! |
| 20:08.47 | findlay | tell that to mheath :) |
| 20:10.17 | fozzmoo | I don't want him to get any (more) crazy ideas. |
| 20:10.40 | findlay | well, he's already got that one (the dot-connecting) |
| 20:13.07 | harleypig | The nice thing about working from home is being able to turn up your music when you want to. |
| 20:13.39 | findlay | harleypig: I feel the same way about Beethoven |
| 20:14.04 | harleypig | You work from Beethoven? |
| 20:14.52 | findlay | no, aren't you listening to music, meaning Beethoven? |
| 20:15.07 | findlay | do people listen to anything else? |
| 20:15.25 | harleypig | meh :] I listened to a classical station earlier today, but I don't think they played any Beethoven. |
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| 20:15.34 | harleypig | Right now though, I'm listening to a techno station. |
| 20:15.50 | harleypig | My kids are having a blast dancing to it. |
| 20:15.54 | findlay | nice |
| 20:16.01 | harleypig | I've got it cranked pretty loud. |
| 20:16.52 | Tene | I used to do that all the time at my old office. |
| 20:30.22 | fozzmoo | Yeah, Tene would always turn his stuff down or off when we walked in on him. It was strange. |
| 20:30.41 | harleypig | bow-chicka-bow-wow |
| 20:31.15 | findlay | there goes sjansen dying again |
| 20:34.47 | Supaplex | weeeeee |
| 20:35.58 | harleypig | Supaplex! Don't go weeee in here! It'll make a mess and stink things up! |
| 20:36.22 | Supaplex | but I did it for you |
| 20:36.54 | findlay | s/e/i/g |
| 20:37.04 | findlay | no, not that, silly bot |
| 20:37.14 | Supaplex | haha cool. |
| 20:37.16 | fozzmoo | Wow. PuttyGen.exe works great in WINE |
| 20:37.23 | harleypig | Thanks Supaplex, but I'm not into water sports. :> |
| 20:37.24 | fozzmoo | I'm not really that surprised. Just pleased. |
| 20:37.44 | findlay | fozzmoo: I could have told you that |
| 20:37.59 | fozzmoo | Sometimes, I have to see things for myself. |
| 20:38.10 | findlay | :) |
| 20:38.46 | levi | I haven't tried wine in ages. I wonder if it works any better now. |
| 20:39.23 | beandog | its always getting better |
| 20:39.26 | jpwhiting | levi much better |
| 20:39.30 | harleypig | well, it's either smoother, or its vinegar |
| 20:39.31 | jpwhiting | levi: much better |
| 20:40.00 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:41.09 | harleypig | Hey, if it works ... http://bash.org/?790133 |
| 20:44.17 | fozzmoo | http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070803/D8QPK4SO0.html |
| 20:44.22 | fozzmoo | Come on brac! |
| 20:44.37 | findlay | no brac |
| 20:44.45 | fozzmoo | [Linux Treo Available Now!] |
| 20:44.59 | fozzmoo | Uh. No that's not right. hee hee. |
| 20:45.04 | fozzmoo | http://mytreo.net/archives/2007/08/linux-treo-available-now.html |
| 20:45.06 | fozzmoo | There we go. |
| 20:45.06 | findlay | yay, now you can get me one |
| 20:46.43 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. This is like ROckbox for your Treo. :) |
| 20:47.09 | harleypig | Hey! The Duggar family website is down ... it's not like they have a dearth of people to take care of it! :D |
| 20:48.43 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you are *horrible* |
| 20:49.02 | fozzmoo | "All our webmasters are currently changing diapers. please leave a message." |
| 20:49.16 | harleypig | Yes. I know. In which particular way are you referring to at the moment? |
| 20:49.21 | harleypig | :] |
| 21:02.37 | Tene | fozzmoo: weird that I turned it down? |
| 21:03.27 | fozzmoo | uh huh |
| 21:03.44 | fozzmoo | Tene: Like we would be offended that you were listening to loud techno music or something. |
| 21:03.57 | beandog | what would offend? |
| 21:04.40 | Tene | Well, I more presumed that you or others with you would prefer it at least be turned down. |
| 21:07.06 | Tene | I came to that conclusion because nobody else ever put on such things. |
| 21:07.17 | fozzmoo | We (I) would have preferred you go to the lightswitch and start turning the lights on and off in time to the music. |
| 21:07.35 | Tene | Heh. |
| 21:07.38 | fozzmoo | Well, happy hardcore stuff is never my first choice. |
| 21:07.57 | fozzmoo | It's a little too... yeah... for my tastes. |
| 21:07.59 | Tene | X10 for the lights tied into a mixer app? :) |
| 21:08.10 | levi | This is awesome: http://home.hetnet.nl/~weeren001/ |
| 21:08.17 | fozzmoo | But it's still good stuff. |
| 21:08.25 | levi | The guy reverse-engineered the Amiga's hardware in an FPGA. |
| 21:08.38 | fozzmoo | levi: that guy is sick, sick, sick. |
| 21:10.39 | fozzmoo | Can't wait for his FPGA 2000 |
| 21:15.26 | levi | Yay, I have officially submitted a decent chunk of functionality to an open source project now. |
| 21:15.29 | findlay | at the DAC |
| 21:15.50 | maquis | levi: what project? |
| 21:16.12 | jsmith | levi: Define "decent chunk" |
| 21:16.16 | levi | maquis: It's called 'conman', it's a serial console monitoring program for clusters that was developed at LLNL. |
| 21:16.39 | findlay | nice title |
| 21:17.14 | levi | jsmith: Well, it's a 35k context diff. |
| 21:17.37 | Tene | git++ |
| 21:17.45 | findlay | git# |
| 21:17.51 | Tene | giant diffs-- |
| 21:17.51 | jsmith | levi: Not bad... |
| 21:18.10 | findlay | ~diff Tene maquis |
| 21:18.10 | ibot | ACTION carefully examines Tene and maquis.... "they're dead, Jim" |
| 21:18.10 | jsmith | levi: Let's hope you broke it up into small patches |
| 21:19.25 | levi | jsmith: No, it's one big patch. It's basically a whole new .c file plus modifications to a few others files and the build system to make it integrate. |
| 21:19.39 | jsmith | Ah. |
| 21:20.09 | jsmith | I'm like Tene... I hate big patches... but in your case, if it's a new file, I'm not gonna say anything more |
| 21:21.24 | levi | None of it is functional without the rest of it. |
| 21:21.52 | levi | I suppose I could have separated the documentation changes, the build system changes, and the C file changes into separate patches. |
| 21:23.39 | levi | Anyway, the program has different modules for different ways to connect to the serial consoles. I added a new one that uses a library from FreeIPMI to do IPMI Serial-over-LAN connections. |
| 21:24.29 | findlay | silly evince likes to gobble all the memory |
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| 21:43.15 | findlay | for fun, try this out: http://www.byu.edu/offcampushousing/compdata/smallComplexes.php |
| 21:44.07 | Shadowwire | no dice |
| 21:44.45 | harleypig | Unabel to connect to mySQL server |
| 21:45.11 | findlay | indeed, fun :) |
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| 21:55.58 | cww | emcnabb: you there? |
| 21:57.04 | Shadowwire | nope |
| 21:57.08 | findlay | ~lart emcnabb with abandon |
| 21:57.09 | ibot | steals emcnabb with abandon's mojo |
| 21:57.45 | Shadowwire | ~lart ? |
| 21:57.45 | ibot | --purges ? |
| 21:58.09 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:58.18 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:58.18 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on emcnabb |
| 21:58.23 | Shadowwire | findlay: that link was awsome.. ? |
| 21:59.19 | findlay | Shadowwire: yeah, I quite enjoyed it, in a masculine, destructive kind of amusement |
| 22:02.07 | Shadowwire | findlay: actually, I was being sarcastic. "unable to connect to sql server". |
| 22:03.18 | findlay | well, I enjoyed that somehow, somewhere a webserver went down in flames |
| 22:03.20 | Shadowwire | ~lart Robin Williams. |
| 22:03.20 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after Robin Williams.'s head |
| 22:03.47 | Shadowwire | I see... Well actualy no... |
| 22:04.34 | findlay | well, whatever. It was mildly amusing to me :) |
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| 22:05.38 | Shadowwire | Oh... Sorry I just clicked the URL, I didnt read it until just now. |
| 22:05.55 | Shadowwire | That is mildly amusing. |
| 22:06.41 | Shadowwire | Anyone here have any recomendation when it comes to server racks? |
| 22:07.17 | Shadowwire | \me |
| 22:07.21 | Shadowwire | ops |
| 22:07.46 | Tene | Shadowwire: go with metal. the price of a cardboard rack *is* attractive, but it's worth the extra to get metal. |
| 22:08.21 | Shadowwire | Thats probably sound advice. . Thanks. |
| 22:09.12 | Tene | np |
| 22:09.50 | Shadowwire | What about Paper racks, anything wrong with those? |
| 22:10.36 | Jayce^ | there's always wine racks |
| 22:10.48 | findlay | spice rack! |
| 22:11.00 | Shadowwire | Chicks rack. |
| 22:11.10 | findlay | levi probably knows more about racks than me |
| 22:11.20 | Shadowwire | had more chicks? |
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| 22:11.42 | Shadowwire | rather gets more girls? |
| 22:12.29 | Tene | findlay hates women. |
| 22:12.35 | findlay | indeed |
| 22:12.44 | fozzmoo | Tene: Does this remind you of my Cobalt Raq story? |
| 22:12.45 | findlay | they hate me too |
| 22:13.04 | Tene | fozzmoo: do I know that story? |
| 22:13.07 | findlay | I have been shamefully wronged |
| 22:13.27 | fozzmoo | Company had a Cobalt Raq for mail server.... |
| 22:13.34 | fozzmoo | They knew nothing about Linux. |
| 22:13.47 | fozzmoo | It was having problems (disk was filling up), so they called XMission. |
| 22:13.51 | fozzmoo | XMission said, call Iodynamics. |
| 22:13.55 | fozzmoo | So this girl calls me. |
| 22:13.56 | findlay | and Linux came in and blew up their servers! |
| 22:14.04 | fozzmoo | She sounds really cute, etc. etc. |
| 22:14.09 | fozzmoo | I make the appointment. |
| 22:14.20 | findlay | dressed up as Tux |
| 22:14.26 | fozzmoo | I go to the office. Receptionists asks me to wait while she calls this woman up front. |
| 22:14.48 | fozzmoo | I'm sitting there and I'm suddenly confronted with the question: How should I introduce myself? |
| 22:15.12 | fozzmoo | "Hi, I'm here to look at your Raq." |
| 22:15.19 | Tene | Heh. |
| 22:15.38 | findlay | is that a pun of some sort? |
| 22:16.45 | Tene | "rack" is a euphamism for breasts, findlay. |
| 22:17.09 | findlay | ow, my eyes and brain! |
| 22:17.10 | fozzmoo | Yeah, what Tene said. |
| 22:17.21 | Tene | s/breasts/goats/ |
| 22:17.26 | levi | Poor, innocent findlay. |
| 22:17.29 | JoshH | fozzmoo, i hope you said exactly that |
| 22:17.31 | findlay | oh, that's better |
| 22:17.32 | Tene | Thaat better? |
| 22:17.32 | fozzmoo | And if someone uses the words "rack" and "stack" at the same time, it's a good thing. |
| 22:17.53 | Tene | "strack"? |
| 22:18.18 | mrpull | fozzmoo: that's a great story... so I must ask, what did her Raq look like? |
| 22:18.49 | Tene | levi: innocence is usually associated with acceptance and happiness, not hate. |
| 22:19.58 | fozzmoo | mrpull: Well, her Raq was in sad shape... we ended up replacing it with one of our boxes. |
| 22:20.08 | levi | Tene: Well, it's also associated with lack of knowledge of carnal things. |
| 22:20.21 | fozzmoo | She, OTOH, was very pleasant to look at and talk to. |
| 22:20.40 | mrpull | nice. sounds like a good trip. |
| 22:20.41 | fozzmoo | She was a transplant from Europe. Wore those little glasses and spoke with a heavy French accent. |
| 22:20.50 | fozzmoo | Likes to board, I seem to remember. |
| 22:21.13 | fozzmoo | ~smack herlo |
| 22:21.14 | ibot | ACTION smacks herlo upside the head. |
| 22:21.23 | herlo | ~poo fozzmoo |
| 22:21.23 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at fozzmoo |
| 22:21.24 | mrpull | herlo: oh boy... |
| 22:21.43 | herlo | mrpull: I didn't swear! |
| 22:21.44 | mrpull | as long as you don't say shemales |
| 22:22.06 | fozzmoo | Yes. Please don't say that. |
| 22:22.08 | herlo | mrpull: of course not! |
| 22:22.15 | herlo | ~beat mrpull |
| 22:22.16 | ibot | ACTION beats mrpull with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 22:22.25 | herlo | oh, how appropriate |
| 22:22.33 | mrpull | dripping-wet... what? |
| 22:23.39 | mrpull | soooo... anybody tried Oracle Linux? |
| 22:24.31 | beandog | is that the one that costs $1,000,000 |
| 22:24.54 | mrpull | i think it depends on whether or not you want to run oracle on it |
| 22:24.57 | beandog | heh |
| 22:25.12 | mrpull | weren't they going to buy mysql? |
| 22:25.54 | elg | ooh, wouldn't that be fun? |
| 22:26.08 | elg | the mass migration to postgres |
| 22:29.08 | herlo | mrpull: we teach it at GL |
| 22:29.16 | herlo | mrpull: in a sense |
| 22:29.54 | mrpull | i guess my oracle buying mysql-ab memory wasn't quite right |
| 22:30.24 | mrpull | they were after Sleepycat and Innobase |
| 22:30.40 | mrpull | which raised some eyebrows in the mysql world |
| 22:30.57 | herlo | mrpull: they did buy innobase right? |
| 22:31.09 | mrpull | yes |
| 22:31.15 | mrpull | and Sleepycat |
| 22:31.39 | mrpull | so Berkly DB and InnoDB are oracle property now |
| 22:32.06 | mrpull | Berkeley DB |
| 22:32.17 | mrpull | Berkeley is a funny word |
| 22:32.33 | mrpull | we pronounce it berkly in Lehi |
| 22:33.07 | elg | they pronounce it burr-kelly in elbonia |
| 22:33.18 | levi | mrpull: You live in Lehi? |
| 22:33.21 | mrpull | yeah |
| 22:33.31 | levi | Where at? I just moved there. |
| 22:33.50 | mrpull | NE of the freeway... about 1500N and 300W |
| 22:33.58 | harleypig | Wait ... connections to spectre are via http correct? If so, sock programming isn't necessary right? |
| 22:34.01 | harleypig | damnit |
| 22:34.27 | levi | Well, http generally works over sockets. |
| 22:35.10 | elg | levi: you're Jayce^s neighbor now? |
| 22:35.13 | levi | mrpull: Ahh, I'm at about 13th W and Main. |
| 22:35.20 | levi | elg: Where's Jayce^ live? |
| 22:35.26 | elg | out in the ranches |
| 22:35.31 | nick125 | \o/ |
| 22:35.37 | elg | but levi is the closest civilization |
| 22:35.38 | Jayce^ | levi, what elg said |
| 22:35.43 | mrpull | nah... levi is closer to rsimpkins than Jayce^ |
| 22:35.44 | elg | er, lehi |
| 22:36.05 | levi | Ahh, cool. I didn't want to live quite that far away from the freeway. |
| 22:37.04 | mrpull | i like where i'm at... it's 3-5 minutes to the freeway and only 25 minutes to SLC or Provo |
| 22:37.37 | mrpull | i've always wanted to live in Pleasant Grove, but getting to SLC from PG is almost twice as long (even tho it is only about 10 miles further) |
| 22:38.11 | RyanE | mrpull: where are you at? |
| 22:38.24 | elg | he lives under the underpass by thanksgiving point |
| 22:38.28 | RyanE | heh |
| 22:38.28 | elg | in a cardboard box |
| 22:38.29 | mrpull | RyanE: Lehi, NE of the free |
| 22:38.38 | mrpull | in a van, down by the river |
| 22:38.50 | mrpull | well, by the creek |
| 22:39.00 | beandog | heh |
| 22:39.06 | RyanE | yeah, you probably just said that a page ago... d'oh! |
| 22:39.16 | mrpull | kinda near the cemetery |
| 22:39.21 | mrpull | yeah. no worries. |
| 22:39.30 | elg | well I finally gave up today |
| 22:39.36 | RyanE | I used to live just east of the freeway in Lehi |
| 22:39.37 | elg | I'll never find my lost keys |
| 22:39.38 | levi | elg: Gave up on...? |
| 22:39.51 | levi | Are we talking bits of metal or PGP keys? |
| 22:39.55 | elg | they've been lost for a month now, and the only place they can possibly be is in our house somewhere |
| 22:40.13 | elg | had them at church, drove home, two days later when I went to leave the house they were nowhere to be found |
| 22:40.27 | elg | so unless I sleepwalked downtown for a little clubbing... |
| 22:40.58 | elg | I've had that keychain since I was 15. had a piece of reject circuitboard with a hole in it |
| 22:41.10 | levi | Bummer. |
| 22:41.12 | elg | got that from a box on the counter at Egghead Software |
| 22:41.16 | elg | for like $0.50 |
| 22:41.31 | elg | so I ordered me one of these |
| 22:41.33 | elg | http://www.blueskygear.com/c241902p16903059.2.html |
| 22:41.41 | elg | although, from a different store where shipping was more reasonable |
| 22:41.50 | levi | I had some old SIMMs from my Mac Plus from when we upgraded its RAM that would have made excellent key fobs. |
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| 22:44.02 | levi | I think each one was 256k |
| 22:46.15 | mrpull | i took a 4MB simm and made a geocaching travel bug out of it |
| 22:46.38 | mrpull | i cant recall I spent on those two simms, but I think it was more than my last computer |
| 22:50.26 | jpwhiting | :) |
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| 22:52.17 | nick125_treo | hey everyone |
| 22:53.28 | nick125_treo | brb |
| 22:54.26 | elg | any good/bad companies for sd flash cards? |
| 22:54.38 | elg | s/companies/manufacturers/ |
| 23:00.19 | nick125 | Sandisk has been pretty good for me. |
| 23:00.42 | maquis | i'll second nick125's comment |
| 23:01.50 | mrpull | Kingston RMA 'ed a 2GB microSD card without any questions or hassles |
| 23:01.59 | mrpull | they get my vote |
| 23:05.12 | bonez39 | I need help with a .pdf issue....got a form in .pdf format...want to fill in online before printing, but acrobat disallows filling in online....any solution to this? |
| 23:06.26 | mrpull | bonez39: what OS are you running acrobat in? |
| 23:06.26 | mrpull | You can fill in forms in the windows version |
| 23:06.27 | mrpull | you cant save them |
| 23:06.33 | mrpull | you can only print them |
| 23:06.37 | bonez39 | debian 3.1 |
| 23:06.49 | levi | You can fill them in in Linux and OS X, too, with the latest Acrobat Reader. |
| 23:06.54 | bonez39 | but I have attempted to open this file on my xp box here....using acrobat and there it won't work either |
| 23:07.10 | mrpull | the PDF may not be formatted to have user input |
| 23:07.18 | levi | If it doesn't let you, then you just have to print it out. |
| 23:07.23 | mrpull | and in that case... pull out the old IBM Selectric |
| 23:07.36 | bonez39 | my acrobat version here is 7.0.8.... |
| 23:07.48 | levi | Or you could rasterize it and fill it in with a graphics program. |
| 23:08.03 | mrpull | levi: bah... the Selectric is the way to go |
| 23:08.06 | levi | bonez39: It doesn't matter what version of Acrobat you have if the document doesn't have PDF form support built in. |
| 23:08.07 | bonez39 | levi that defeats the purpose...of having the form online in the first place..it's online so that one can enter all the data...cleanly...my handwriting stinks..... |
| 23:08.31 | levi | bonez39: No, it's online so you can download it and print it out instead of going to wherever it is you'd have to pick it up normally. |
| 23:08.33 | bonez39 | levi so it's a matter of the form having the support built in, or not....it's how the author of the page saves it that determines this? |
| 23:09.09 | maquis | bonez39: i believe both the author and the client software are important |
| 23:09.12 | levi | bonez39: I've never created a pdf form, so I don't know the details, but it does require some extra design effort beyond simply drawing a form. |
| 23:09.38 | mrpull | bonez39: that is accurate. if it wasn't authored with the intent to let people fill in the boxes electronically... you cant |
| 23:09.59 | mrpull | back to the Selectric |
| 23:10.06 | bonez39 | mrpull ok....time to send a nasty note to the webmaster ... on the site where i obtained it...! |
| 23:10.15 | bonez39 | I have no typewriter.... |
| 23:10.58 | mrpull | in this age? who doesn't have a typewriter in the 21st century? |
| 23:11.39 | bonez39 | mrpull areyou serious? first goal when I got outt aschool....was to figure out how to do everythign on the PC...and thus free myself from the typewriter.... |
| 23:12.54 | mrpull | bonez39: thanks for the giggle. i'm joking of course. |
| 23:13.20 | mrpull | quitting time! ttyl. |
| 23:13.29 | bonez39 | ;) |
| 23:26.54 | harleypig | exactly |
| 23:27.10 | harleypig | exactly |
| 23:27.15 | harleypig | damnit |
| 23:28.19 | klys | the storms will pass; it won't be long now |
| 23:28.25 | klys | ...forever |
| 23:29.57 | klys | hold on; hold on tightly: this one lasts forever |
| 23:30.50 | klys | what I liked most about the treo is its relatively comprehensive address book |
| 23:35.31 | klys | so I was at the mall today, and the cell phone guy says "hey!" so I gab with him a little bit, mention I'm searching for a job, and he cusses me out for not carrying a phone. says stuff like "what if you're late for training" I just told him "I can see now that this isn't going to work" and left |
| 23:37.42 | klys | the sales pitch must go something like "you're gonna die land on this" |
| 23:42.19 | nick125 | LOL |
| 23:42.32 | nick125 | I love sales people. They try so hard. |
| 23:43.47 | klys | hey I have an interview on tuesday! |
| 23:43.53 | nick125 | klys: Yay. |
| 23:43.56 | klys | at a store... |
| 23:44.02 | klys | it's cool |
| 23:44.41 | klys | do you get emails for job postings? |
| 23:47.50 | levi | I get emails for job postings. |
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| 23:49.29 | klys | I'm mostly interested in utah valley postings... and I usually just code in C |
| 23:50.01 | klys | and I'm hoping for something to come up in advertising |
| 23:50.16 | klys | levi: seen anything? |
| 23:57.26 | sontek | If anyone knows of a network admin with windows and linux experience, who is looking for employment, let me know =) |