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| 02:27.50 | elg | levi_home: ping |
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| 02:37.38 | atoponce | that's a few underscores... |
| 02:37.45 | atoponce | s/.../___/ |
| 02:51.41 | levi_home | elg: pong |
| 02:51.50 | levi_home | Wassup? |
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| 03:27.15 | elg | you know of any good reading on error handling while parsing? |
| 03:27.47 | elg | by which I mean not stuff that says "you should do error reporting and recovery" but actually says how to |
| 03:31.51 | klyscept | while parsing: cc1 or cc1plus is running, and you're waiting for it to finish so you can find out how well it works |
| 03:32.20 | klyscept | I would say, take this one bit of advice: read the first error line |
| 03:32.49 | klyscept | the rest usually don't matter |
| 03:33.34 | klyscept | if you're running it with -Wall, stop it until you are considering shipping |
| 03:40.55 | levi_home | klyscept: I think elg wants to write a parser, not understand gcc's error messages. |
| 03:41.15 | dataw0lf | yea, and deal explicitly with errors in the code |
| 03:41.32 | levi_home | elg: I'm afraid I don't have any resources for you off the top of my head. |
| 03:41.35 | dataw0lf | error handling. Not error deciphering. |
| 03:43.37 | dataw0lf | elg: are you talking about a specific language / parsing application ? Or just general rules in handling parsing errors? |
| 03:46.30 | dataw0lf | i.e. does your language offer advanced exception handling, are you primarily dealing with XML or what have you, etc. |
| 03:48.51 | levi_home | Section 7.3 of this document discusses dealing with parsing errors: http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/WirthPubl/CBEAll.pdf |
| 03:49.42 | elg | dataw0lf: yes, both. ruby |
| 03:49.42 | klyscept | and the capital of Suriname is Paramaribo |
| 03:50.20 | elg | GEDCOM parser. how do I handle errors, warnings, notices gracefully, esp. without complicating the API beyond use |
| 03:51.09 | klyscept | do you already print out the line number? |
| 03:51.59 | elg | I've got a 57-line SAX-like GEDCOM parser now, but it just raises an exception on parse error and does no sophisticated (warning or notice) detectino |
| 03:52.32 | elg | if just throwing an exception is a "good" way to go, I don't mind doing it. but I don't want to be naïve |
| 03:52.52 | klyscept | the condition where it raises an exception: is there local info there you can feed to printf? |
| 03:53.06 | klyscept | if not, you may need to return to where you really have the info |
| 03:53.20 | klyscept | this is where throw would give you an advantage |
| 03:53.21 | elg | all the info I need |
| 03:53.28 | dataw0lf | well, I'm not too familiar with Ruby's exception handling anymore, but in Python I'd subclass Exceptions based on specific criteria I may expect, then log the rest to a stdout or flatfile (if not fatal / undesirable) |
| 03:54.38 | dataw0lf | like, if you a malformed line, but wish to continue it anyway, log the line with an error code / message |
| 03:54.53 | dataw0lf | s/you/you have/ |
| 03:55.13 | elg | logging is no help to the user of the API |
| 03:55.17 | klyscept | elg: are you working on the elijah project or similar? |
| 03:55.53 | elg | elijah. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time |
| 03:56.23 | elg | who are you? |
| 03:56.30 | klyscept | d.jeffery@mailandnews.com |
| 03:56.46 | elg | d jefferey? |
| 03:57.09 | klyscept | when I first heard about the elijah project, there was a regular LUG at uvsc. |
| 03:58.11 | elg | elijah got mired in the same thing that plagues almost every genealogy app ever conceived. debates about data models |
| 03:58.35 | elg | any application written (primarily) by more than one person, I should say |
| 03:58.41 | klyscept | you might be a.bradford if I could guess |
| 03:59.03 | elg | I don't remember d.jefferey - maybe you could expand the d for me? |
| 03:59.05 | klyscept | anyway, there were other people who know about it |
| 03:59.32 | elg | nope, that's bradipo |
| 03:59.36 | klyscept | ok |
| 03:59.44 | elg | I'm Hans |
| 03:59.48 | klyscept | ok hans |
| 04:00.02 | klyscept | I'm Daniel, and was Dan |
| 04:00.18 | elg | did we ever meet? |
| 04:00.28 | klyscept | and there was a Remo and another guy, I'm not sure if you showed up at uvsc |
| 04:00.50 | elg | anyway, I'm much more pragmatic now. I just take bite-size chunks, code them up, and abandon them |
| 04:00.51 | elg | :) |
| 04:00.59 | klyscept | ok |
| 04:01.23 | elg | I have an 80% finished podcast downloaders, blogging client, gedcom parser, flight planner, etc. etc. |
| 04:01.36 | elg | and a few 95% (and released) projects too :) |
| 04:01.59 | klyscept | my now released project is hmce (see freshmeat) |
| 04:02.12 | elg | i think the only physical meeting I saw with elijah was when a couple of us met with sasha in the lobby of the TMCB at BYU |
| 04:02.53 | klyscept | it's not like, capable of everything, it's more of a demo for the future of the codebase, though it is cool to maybe show off in a linux lab |
| 04:03.14 | klyscept | I also have a javascript dealy at www.megapathdsl.net/~rachel |
| 04:03.55 | klyscept | my most recent hack was moving the camera around in irrlicht asynchronously with the keyboard |
| 04:04.21 | klyscept | and before that I upgraded allegro, and have a more capable app I haven't released yet |
| 04:04.51 | klyscept | it doesn't use queue.cc yet though |
| 04:07.44 | klyscept | did you use windowmaker in 2001 ? |
| 04:07.50 | elg | probably |
| 04:08.00 | klyscept | and run eterm at any meetings |
| 04:08.45 | klyscept | I remember we had a lot at a samba meeting |
| 04:09.08 | elg | didn't run eterm often |
| 04:09.11 | elg | mostly just xterm |
| 04:09.45 | klyscept | I'm running gterm now |
| 04:10.14 | klyscept | maybe, aterm |
| 04:10.33 | klyscept | I downloaded crankpad after that, piece of junk |
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| 04:18.04 | fozzmoo | Isn't sysadmin day over? |
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| 04:24.49 | klyscept | looks like the next meeting is next week |
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| 06:46.45 | Supaplex | m00yaw! |
| 07:26.41 | Supaplex | <3 di |
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| 13:31.50 | atoponce | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NJCyAHJ27Uw |
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| 14:16.28 | Shadowwire | Morning |
| 14:18.56 | sontek | morning |
| 14:48.55 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.47 | klys | and in the news this morning, |
| 15:11.09 | klys | a sunni arab bloc has quit the iraq government's cabinet |
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| 15:12.13 | klys | scouting has hit 100 years |
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| 15:53.46 | levi | Morning, all. |
| 15:55.21 | goozbach | YAY! second day on the new job! |
| 15:56.29 | levi | Where are you working? |
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| 15:57.13 | nick125 | If this package for my mother arrives today and my phone doesn't, I'm going to call UPS and yell some profanity at them. |
| 15:58.11 | levi | My HDHomeRun is scheduled to be delivered today. Woo. :) |
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| 16:00.13 | beandog | levi: yah? lemme know how that works :D |
| 16:00.19 | levi | I don't have the internal sound chip working on my Myth box yet, though. May have to throw in my old soundblaster. |
| 16:00.32 | nick125 | levi: What kind of chip is it? |
| 16:00.47 | levi | Not sure. |
| 16:01.40 | goozbach | yay I get a new washer/dryer on Saturday! |
| 16:01.49 | beandog | lspci |
| 16:03.10 | levi | goozbach: I got a new washer/dryer recently, too. They're LG front-loaders. |
| 16:03.27 | goozbach | that's what I've got as well |
| 16:03.46 | levi | They're really slick. I love them. |
| 16:04.06 | levi | Quiet, efficient, and the controls are really slick. |
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| 16:05.20 | levi | I think I may have accidentally disabled the sound chip in the BIOS. It doesn't show up in lspci. |
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| 16:25.02 | sinuhe | goozbach: I ordered a t61p for myself *and* my wife. Crazy, man, crazy. |
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| 16:41.13 | nick125 | I wonder when UPS trucks go out for delivery.. |
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| 17:25.11 | findlay | sinuhe: you can get one for me too while you're at it KTHXBYE |
| 17:49.48 | sinuhe | findlay: That's what my wife said. I can't tell her no, though. |
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| 17:57.15 | nick125 | I hate UPS. |
| 17:57.25 | fozzmo1 | I'm sure they feel the same way about you. |
| 17:57.30 | nick125 | They say they aren't going to deliver my treo until monday. |
| 17:57.41 | nick125 | That's a week since it was shipped. |
| 17:57.58 | fozzmoo | What Treo did you get? |
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| 18:02.31 | Shadowwire | Hey klys |
| 18:04.52 | nick125 | fozzmoo: 680 |
| 18:05.11 | fozzmoo | My father in law's 600 is dying. he was asking me which one to get to replace it. |
| 18:05.21 | nick125 | GSM or CDMA? |
| 18:06.21 | fozzmoo | CDMA |
| 18:06.38 | nick125 | I heard the 755p is pretty nice. |
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| 18:08.29 | klys | wzaa |
| 18:11.58 | findlay | trio? Like string trio? |
| 18:13.51 | findlay | Schubert wrote some nice string trios |
| 18:14.02 | findlay | and there's a whole bunch of piano trios |
| 18:19.15 | nick125 | Seriously, it shouldn't take a week to deliver a 3 day package. |
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| 18:29.37 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I almost upgraded to the 700p, but the Palm announced they'll have a linux based Treo by the end of the year. |
| 18:29.50 | nick125 | sjansen: I doubt it. |
| 18:30.00 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I'm looking forward to that too. |
| 18:30.13 | fozzmoo | nick125: Not sure why you're apprehensive. The Foleo runs Linux. |
| 18:30.40 | nick125 | fozzmoo: I just have doubts that palm will be able to develop a platform before the end of the year. |
| 18:30.56 | fozzmoo | They've already been at it for years. |
| 18:30.59 | fozzmoo | Access has anyway. |
| 18:31.21 | nick125 | ALP looks interesting, but, Palm already said they are going to start developing stuff in house. |
| 18:31.22 | fozzmoo | We'll see what they have to show us at CES, I guess. |
| 18:31.26 | sjansen | Sounds like Palm's Linux based is independent of Access's Linux based. |
| 18:31.41 | RyanE | I'm wanting the Palm Linux-based unit that will still run PalmOS apps... |
| 18:31.47 | fozzmoo | RyanE: It will. |
| 18:31.51 | RyanE | woo! |
| 18:31.51 | fozzmoo | That's the plan. |
| 18:31.54 | RyanE | an upgrade path! |
| 18:32.08 | sjansen | In fact it looks like there'll be two versions of Palm OS based on Linux. |
| 18:32.10 | fozzmoo | PalmOS will be running on top of Linux, basically. |
| 18:32.36 | RyanE | The day that comes out is the day my current Clie will get 'accidentally' dropped a few too many times.. :) |
| 18:32.46 | sjansen | heh |
| 18:33.37 | sjansen | RyanE: You live in Utah. It should be easy to arrange for your Clie to be used as target practice a few too many times. |
| 18:33.53 | sjansen | Of you could always test "Will it blend?" |
| 18:34.11 | RyanE | I usually don't have any trouble damaging the things, that's for sure. I think I'm on my 6th (or 7th) palmOS-based unit... |
| 18:35.06 | RyanE | 2 Palm, 3 Handspring, and 2 Sony Clie'. Wow. 7. |
| 18:35.39 | fozzmoo | RyanE: I'm on about 5th or 6th, starting with the original Visor. |
| 18:36.17 | RyanE | Yeah, I started a couple years before the Visor. I loved the Visor (s)... I think I killed 2 with water, 2 with dropping, the rest of 'general old ageage'. |
| 18:37.07 | RyanE | The best thing about the Handspring units was the replaceable AAA's. I had a couple sets of rechargeables. |
| 18:38.02 | sjansen | I killed my visor by crossing my legs during church. Even with the hard plastic cover, the hard wooden bench his the screen at just the right angle to shatter it. |
| 18:38.16 | sjansen | I was sad. And poor. No replacement for me for years. |
| 18:38.55 | sjansen | Now I have a Treo with a rhinoskin. It's taken a beating but still works after nearly 3 years. |
| 18:39.45 | sjansen | http://www.saunders-usa.com/rhinoskin/ <-- Worth the money. |
| 18:39.46 | fozzmoo | sjansen: :( |
| 18:40.44 | Supaplex | ipod > pda |
| 18:40.55 | sjansen | ipod != pda |
| 18:41.13 | RyanE | iPod < pda |
| 18:41.25 | RyanE | $iPod > $pda |
| 18:41.30 | fozzmoo | Rockbox(ipod) ~ pda |
| 18:41.36 | RyanE | $iPhone > $iPod > $pda |
| 18:41.59 | sjansen | $t61p == :) |
| 18:46.14 | herlo | ~beat sjansen for fozzmoo |
| 18:46.14 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen for fozzmoo with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 18:49.56 | maquis | $hipster < $palm < $ipod < $iphone |
| 18:50.09 | maquis | <-- "frugal" |
| 18:50.43 | RyanE | the problem with the hipster is that the framerate on videos is too low for me. |
| 18:50.53 | RyanE | flipbooks were never my thing. :) |
| 18:58.57 | maquis | RyanE: true :) |
| 19:20.06 | goozbach | stupid shipping |
| 19:20.09 | goozbach | :( |
| 19:22.52 | findlay | ~ship |
| 19:22.53 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ship is test |
| 19:28.33 | findlay | man, I hate windows |
| 19:29.41 | findlay | it sure likes to let you know it's in charge and you're just an accessory |
| 19:41.48 | Shadowwire | Yea,its far better to have to do everything yourself. |
| 19:47.03 | atoponce | i can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic |
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| 19:47.26 | beandog | sewiously. |
| 19:48.14 | atoponce | ~commit beandog |
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| 19:49.10 | Shadowwire | I didnt want anyone to know if i was serious or sarcastic. |
| 19:49.35 | klys | windows has better file browsing / sorting capabilities (left pane folder tree) (whereas nautilus uses larger entries & thumbnails); whereas linux has better C library access and portability/compatibility (so it's easier to program tricky stuff like an imap client) |
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| 19:51.01 | Shadowwire | i get frustrated with everything I use from time to time. (by time to time i mean all the time) |
| 19:54.59 | klys | and sometimes I get frustrated with missing linux clipboard capabilities |
| 19:55.13 | klys | I wrote a driver for that once |
| 19:55.29 | Supaplex | I've happily had the same install of linux for years (with rotinue updates/upgrades/etc) |
| 19:56.32 | Supaplex | the only os that outlasts my hardware. :) |
| 19:56.35 | findlay | klys: I find window's file browsing to be far substandard that of either KDE or GNOME |
| 19:57.12 | findlay | Supaplex: that's one of the things I love about gentoo: no reinstalls |
| 19:57.31 | beandog | :) |
| 19:57.32 | beandog | ++ |
| 19:57.47 | klys | consider nautilus: sure you can expand subfolders in the right pane too, though try to get it to remember column widths you were using, or try to lower the size of each entry in the list or detail view |
| 19:57.49 | atoponce | findlay: same could be said with any rolling distro |
| 19:57.56 | findlay | also works well with debian-based distros |
| 19:58.00 | beandog | atoponce: gentoo is versionless, which is nice. |
| 19:58.07 | atoponce | yeah |
| 19:58.07 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:58.12 | findlay | gentoo++ |
| 19:58.12 | beandog | the "releases" are just snapshots plus a lot of elbow grease |
| 19:58.43 | klys | and file associations with nautilus, is still an unsolved mystery. |
| 19:58.47 | atoponce | klys: i find navigating the filesystem much easier in the terminal than gui |
| 19:59.38 | klys | right, though /navigating/ your fs does not make it any cleaner or easier to look at |
| 20:00.01 | atoponce | and the tools that unix-like systems give me, make the terminal imo, than cmd.exe in windows |
| 20:00.18 | atoponce | s/,/, better/ |
| 20:00.24 | atoponce | bah |
| 20:00.52 | klys | yes, the linux terminal is much better than cygwin/putty, faster and more graphical, though you have to give them credit for trying and porting as many things as they have |
| 20:01.05 | beandog | cygwin++ |
| 20:01.09 | beandog | talk about a lifesaver. |
| 20:01.14 | atoponce | no kidding |
| 20:02.44 | klys | what do we need in the future? |
| 20:03.23 | atoponce | faster, cheaper broadband |
| 20:05.12 | klys | they sent us a qwest ad today, 26.99 / mo. for "up to 1.5 Mbps" |
| 20:05.28 | atoponce | that's just sad |
| 20:05.46 | atoponce | 26.99 should get you 10x that speed |
| 20:09.08 | beandog | well you are bringing qwest into the equation |
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| 20:16.41 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: hey, I got access to my zimbra box...and zimbra admin GUI...so, not sure if that's good or just lucky...and problematic... |
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| 20:18.55 | sjansen | Why oh why do I insist on giving completely correct answers to students? |
| 20:20.14 | sjansen | Sometimes a student asks a question that is close to correct but demonstrates they missed some minor detail. |
| 20:21.38 | sjansen | Instead answering with a simple "yes" when it doesn't matter, I insist answering "yes, [insert detail they missed]". |
| 20:22.01 | Tene | You don't understand why you do that, or you're just expressing that you feel that you should do otherwise? |
| 20:22.03 | sjansen | Word missing not important you understand anyway. |
| 20:22.04 | bonez39 | cause you care? |
| 20:23.11 | sjansen | I know why I do it. I just wish sometimes I didn't. It would be better if I included a mental "is this extra information going to confuse or help this specific person" before going deeper than they may want. |
| 20:23.11 | findlay | ~pedantic sjansen |
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| 20:25.00 | klys | the learning process, when you insist on being accurate, should build on simple precepts and result in an easily communicable or usable store of more general wisdom |
| 20:25.05 | Tene | Okay. I agree. |
| 20:25.51 | sjansen | The learning process should include legos and chocolate banana splits with extra whipped cream. |
| 20:25.54 | sjansen | And nap time. |
| 20:27.07 | jpwhiting | hi all, any kde developers in here? |
| 20:27.20 | findlay | I've used KDE before |
| 20:27.31 | Jayce^ | kde user, but not a dev.. |
| 20:27.39 | beandog | I dont think Utah has any KDE devs. |
| 20:27.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen is a kde fanatic :-p |
| 20:27.46 | beandog | I think we have a GNOME one |
| 20:27.52 | sjansen | ~whip KDE |
| 20:27.53 | ibot | ACTION takes KDE outside to be thoroughly whipped by sjansen |
| 20:27.56 | sjansen | ~burn KDE |
| 20:27.56 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over KDE, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 20:27.59 | sjansen | ~torch KDE |
| 20:28.00 | ibot | ACTION sets KDE on fire. |
| 20:28.05 | Jayce^ | beandog, iirc, somebody in here had a kde product.. can't recall who it was though. |
| 20:28.06 | sjansen | ~smother KDE |
| 20:28.12 | sjansen | ~crush KDE |
| 20:28.13 | ibot | ACTION crushes KDE with a full height scsi disk |
| 20:28.15 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:28.19 | sjansen | ~erase KDE |
| 20:28.20 | beandog | ~heart xfce4 |
| 20:28.31 | Jayce^ | ~staple sjansen |
| 20:28.32 | ibot | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples sjansen quite well, and hands sjansen to jayce^ |
| 20:28.35 | jpwhiting | beandog: I am a kde developer |
| 20:28.38 | jpwhiting | and I live in utah |
| 20:28.39 | herlo | beandog: how do you know |
| 20:28.44 | findlay | jpwhiting: awesome |
| 20:28.46 | jpwhiting | so you are wrong ;) |
| 20:28.53 | sjansen | ~welcome jpwhiting |
| 20:28.54 | ibot | Howdy, jpwhiting! |
| 20:28.56 | herlo | ~wrong beandog |
| 20:29.00 | beandog | jpwhiting: you are? rock on |
| 20:29.08 | jpwhiting | I maintain kanagram and have been working on kvtml reading/writing library |
| 20:29.16 | beandog | whats kvtml? |
| 20:29.20 | beandog | or kanagram for that matter |
| 20:29.22 | beandog | ~noob |
| 20:29.23 | ibot | just what someone is before they're a pro, or <action> has died. |
| 20:29.25 | findlay | kde is pretty much the best desktop ever |
| 20:29.29 | beandog | findlay: evah |
| 20:29.30 | Jayce^ | ~google kanagram |
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| 20:29.38 | findlay | beandog: evar |
| 20:29.38 | jpwhiting | the vocabulary file format for kvoctrain, kwordquiz, kanagram, and khangman |
| 20:29.46 | jpwhiting | kanagram is the anagram app in kde-edu |
| 20:30.02 | jpwhiting | findlay: I agree |
| 20:30.06 | sjansen | ~pity jpwhiting |
| 20:30.07 | ibot | I pity da fool jpwhiting! |
| 20:30.07 | findlay | sjansen: don't you mean kavakado? |
| 20:30.07 | jpwhiting | and kde4 will be very nice :) |
| 20:30.08 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, any word from the school district? |
| 20:30.26 | Jayce^ | jpwhiting, yeah, saw some of the recent shots, looking forward to it |
| 20:30.28 | Supaplex | Jayce^: 0. which equates to 'no thanks' |
| 20:30.32 | findlay | s/sjansen/Supaplex/ |
| 20:30.32 | sjansen | How can you stand all the C++? Doesn't it make your skin crawl? |
| 20:30.57 | herlo | ibot: wrong $1 <action> is informs $1 that they are incorrect on that particular subject matter |
| 20:30.58 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 20:30.59 | jpwhiting | no, I love c++, and Qt for that matter |
| 20:31.01 | Tene | sjansen: it's a KDE app, you mean K++ |
| 20:31.02 | herlo | ~wrong beandog |
| 20:31.10 | beandog | :C |
| 20:31.12 | jpwhiting | but I've been using Qt at work for over a year and a half already, so |
| 20:31.13 | beandog | ~supahwrong |
| 20:31.26 | herlo | ibot: no, wrong $1 is <action> informs $1 that they are incorrect on that particular subject matter |
| 20:31.27 | ibot | herlo: okay |
| 20:31.30 | herlo | ~wrong beandog |
| 20:31.30 | ibot | ACTION informs beandog that they are incorrect on that particular subject matter |
| 20:32.00 | Supaplex | there is now one less avacado in the world. *gulp* ahhh yumm. |
| 20:32.07 | beandog | herlo: how do I know hwat? |
| 20:32.12 | herlo | ibot: no, wrong $1 is <action> informs $1 "YOU ARE WRONG!" |
| 20:32.13 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 20:32.14 | herlo | ~wrong beandog |
| 20:32.15 | ibot | ACTION informs beandog "YOU ARE WRONG!" |
| 20:32.22 | herlo | :) |
| 20:32.33 | findlay | ~flame herlo |
| 20:32.34 | ibot | herlo, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 20:32.36 | jpwhiting | ok, I didn't come here to flame... |
| 20:32.38 | klys | but how could a person, be wrong |
| 20:32.38 | herlo | beandog: kde devs in utah |
| 20:32.40 | Jayce^ | The Price is wrong... |
| 20:32.45 | beandog | oh |
| 20:32.46 | klys | as if we were talking to his mere shadow |
| 20:32.46 | herlo | jpwhiting: we know, its just part of the cultuer |
| 20:32.49 | Jayce^ | jpwhiting, nah, not flame, sjansen is just like that.. |
| 20:32.50 | jpwhiting | right |
| 20:32.51 | beandog | utah has no developers. |
| 20:32.54 | jpwhiting | got it |
| 20:33.01 | herlo | ~wrong beandog |
| 20:33.02 | ibot | ACTION informs beandog "YOU ARE WRONG!" |
| 20:33.02 | beandog | ~slack utah |
| 20:33.04 | beandog | heh |
| 20:33.04 | Jayce^ | ~sjansen |
| 20:33.05 | ibot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 20:33.08 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 20:33.09 | ibot | i guess beandog is the gentoo guru |
| 20:33.10 | Supaplex | beandog: troll :P |
| 20:33.11 | beandog | :D |
| 20:33.12 | jpwhiting | sorry, I'm used to kde-edu where most of the traffic is generated by myself lately :) |
| 20:33.16 | klys | yew could look wrong |
| 20:33.20 | Jayce^ | or better, our local elitest in all the wrong ways |
| 20:33.21 | jpwhiting | I love gentoo also |
| 20:33.25 | beandog | heh |
| 20:33.27 | beandog | huzzah! |
| 20:33.29 | herlo | ibot: no, wrong $1 is <action> "$1, YOU ARE WRONG!" |
| 20:33.30 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 20:33.35 | herlo | ~wrong beandog |
| 20:33.36 | ibot | ACTION "beandog, YOU ARE WRONG!" |
| 20:33.41 | klys | though you do not by your nature invert yourself |
| 20:33.44 | jpwhiting | but haven't used it in a while since I saw kubuntu "just work(tm)" |
| 20:33.49 | beandog | buh |
| 20:33.52 | jpwhiting | sorry beandog |
| 20:33.55 | herlo | beandog: you are just my testing be-otch |
| 20:33.55 | Jayce^ | mmm, kubuntu |
| 20:34.10 | jpwhiting | I love what I learned from using gentoo for 4 years though |
| 20:34.18 | beandog | herlo: bueno |
| 20:34.26 | jpwhiting | and forums.gentoo.org is second to none |
| 20:34.28 | Supaplex | tastes like debian with double helpings of preservatives |
| 20:35.06 | findlay | herlo knows me too well to konw I'd never really flame him |
| 20:35.59 | sjansen | ~apologize jpwhiting |
| 20:36.04 | jpwhiting | ok, no other kde devs here, anyone else here live in southern Utah? |
| 20:36.09 | jpwhiting | I'm in St George myself |
| 20:36.31 | findlay | I have seen southern Utah before |
| 20:36.36 | Supaplex | only if hill afb is southern ut |
| 20:36.47 | beandog | :) |
| 20:37.40 | sjansen | I thought southern utah seceded and renamed itself East Las Vegas. |
| 20:38.53 | Supaplex | so you thought. what school did you go to? ;) |
| 20:39.45 | jpwhiting | Supaplex: nope, sorry |
| 20:40.09 | jpwhiting | I went to USU, then transfered to Dixie when my wife was pregnant with our oldest |
| 20:40.18 | jpwhiting | sjansen: no problem |
| 20:40.24 | fozzmoo | jpwhiting: Wow. Rare that people go that direction. |
| 20:40.28 | jpwhiting | yep |
| 20:40.30 | fozzmoo | Usually it's the other way around. |
| 20:40.40 | sjansen | Dakota Praire, Nelson County, North Dakota (among others) |
| 20:40.57 | elg | rushmore school of sculpting |
| 20:41.00 | Jayce^ | now you understand why sjansen is such and irratable old coot |
| 20:41.08 | fozzmoo | North Dakota... hmmm. Is that the one w/ the faces on the mountain? |
| 20:41.20 | fozzmoo | No, that's South Dakota. |
| 20:41.25 | fozzmoo | North Dakota is the one with nothing. |
| 20:41.29 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 20:41.33 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
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| 20:41.42 | sjansen | Not true. We have Canadians. |
| 20:41.45 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, it's got something, it borders the "nothing" region of Canada |
| 20:41.52 | fozzmoo | ~smack Lakshmi_________ |
| 20:41.53 | ibot | ACTION smacks Lakshmi_________ upside the head. |
| 20:42.03 | sjansen | Or used to until the dollar started weakening and border security getting more obnoxious... |
| 20:42.32 | fozzmoo | I'm sick of all the illegal Canadians. |
| 20:42.37 | Lakshmi_________ | aw no smacking me |
| 20:42.44 | fozzmoo | If only American's would do jobs Canadians won't do. |
| 20:42.44 | sjansen | Lots of Germans, Norwegian, Swedes. Lefsa. Lutefish. And cold winters to keep the riff raff out. |
| 20:42.52 | Supaplex | mmm frosty water |
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| 20:43.16 | Jayce^ | pshaw sjansen ... it's lutsfisK |
| 20:43.23 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Lots of people saying, "Ja! Ja!" right? |
| 20:43.44 | fozzmoo | (and nodding violently) |
| 20:43.45 | Supaplex | ~wrong wikipedia+lutefisk |
| 20:43.45 | ibot | ACTION "wikipedia+lutefisk, YOU ARE WRONG!" |
| 20:44.07 | Supaplex | :) |
| 20:44.16 | Supaplex | is he a lutefisk fan? |
| 20:44.29 | redbeard2 | Supaplex: who isn't? |
| 20:44.33 | sjansen | fozzmoo: You're thinking of Minnesota, doncha know. |
| 20:44.58 | sjansen | ND has lots of people saying "uff da". |
| 20:45.07 | Supaplex | I've never tried it, so I can't say. I'm no coleslaw fan, so I doubt it would appeal to me |
| 20:45.21 | fozzmoo | "uff da hood of my car, ye dork!" |
| 20:45.34 | sjansen | What does rotten fish have to do with cabbage and mayo? |
| 20:45.46 | Supaplex | "uff da whole thing up, start over" |
| 20:45.47 | sjansen | Perhaps you meant sour kraut. |
| 20:45.50 | Jayce^ | my high school had a chant, "Lutefisk, lutefisk, lefsa, lefsa, we're gunna getcha, ya sure you-betcha!" |
| 20:46.02 | Supaplex | perhaps |
| 20:46.14 | klys | you are wrong: x != y; solve for x |
| 20:46.31 | Jayce^ | klys, 42! |
| 20:46.35 | klys | haha |
| 20:46.36 | sjansen | Jayce^: beauty! |
| 20:46.48 | Jayce^ | sjansen, bitter, just the beer... |
| 20:46.55 | Supaplex | sjansen: is that the other ingredient in their chocolate? |
| 20:47.27 | Jayce^ | nick125, they're just stringing you along.. they really didn't send it.. |
| 20:47.40 | fozzmoo | nick125: Do you have anything else you could be doing besides pining for the UPS guy? |
| 20:47.51 | findlay | ~compute 42! |
| 20:48.13 | klys | "what do you get when you m..." |
| 20:48.26 | nick125 | fozzmoo: Not really. |
| 20:48.28 | Supaplex | m... apparently |
| 20:48.37 | fozzmoo | nick125: There's your problem! |
| 20:48.39 | klys | it's a spoiler |
| 20:49.07 | klys | what you C is what you get |
| 20:50.16 | klys | so with opcode m, how is 42 now != to operand C |
| 20:50.48 | sjansen | jpwhiting: Congratulation. You've just destroyed hours of productivity. |
| 20:51.14 | sjansen | Utah employers will be sending you a bill. |
| 20:51.19 | sjansen | Had to go and get all social. |
| 20:51.25 | jpwhiting | ?? how did I do that? |
| 20:51.31 | jpwhiting | by mentioning kde? |
| 20:51.42 | sjansen | Well it certainly wasn't my fault. |
| 20:51.47 | jpwhiting | :) |
| 20:51.49 | klys | he must have found the anagram program |
| 20:52.21 | jpwhiting | probably ;) |
| 20:52.56 | findlay | I like the interactive 2D geometry one |
| 20:53.17 | findlay | can't remember what it's called |
| 20:53.37 | findlay | and kstars |
| 20:53.47 | findlay | kstars++ |
| 20:54.25 | jpwhiting | findlay: kig |
| 20:54.32 | sjansen | klys: Are you suggesting I sullied my system by installing Qt? |
| 20:54.41 | sjansen | ~whack klys |
| 20:54.42 | ibot | ACTION whacks klys upside the head. |
| 20:54.51 | klys | qt is for X lusers |
| 20:55.52 | sjansen | Gtk+++ |
| 20:55.52 | sjansen | er.. |
| 20:55.52 | sjansen | Gtk+ ++ |
| 20:55.52 | sjansen | er.. |
| 20:55.52 | sjansen | C++ |
| 20:55.52 | sjansen | Wait! That's not what I mean! |
| 20:55.54 | sjansen | C++-- |
| 20:56.00 | sjansen | er.. |
| 20:56.03 | sjansen | Oh, forget it. |
| 20:56.12 | klys | ++gtk+ |
| 20:57.56 | klys | so I have, gtk2-directfb and the test program shows a flaw in directfb |
| 20:57.56 | findlay | hahah |
| 20:58.54 | klys | no one in #directfb has been able to answer for weeks |
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| 21:14.17 | decriptor | how do you add a drive to software raid (one of my drivers failed and I put in the replacement) |
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| 21:16.02 | sjansen | mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdXY |
| 21:16.19 | sjansen | Of course, I'm assuming you removed the old drive first. |
| 21:16.30 | sjansen | mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdXY |
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| 21:43.38 | brando1 | Anyone have comments about digis? |
| 21:44.01 | brando1 | my options are 1.5dsl, or digis (rapidwave is sold out for my area right now) |
| 21:49.57 | brando1 | .. Is this channel really that quiet for once? :) |
| 21:50.18 | elg | sorry to disappoint marlon |
| 21:52.00 | brando1 | marlon? |
| 21:54.08 | bbeattie | anyone use digis that wants a referral credit? |
| 21:54.44 | Jayce^ | bbeattie, as long as you get canopy equipment (they do that with newer stuff) it's allright |
| 21:55.50 | beandog | canopy equipment? |
| 21:56.19 | Jayce^ | beandog, newer cisco hardware, different frequency etc than just boosting an 802.11 signal |
| 21:56.28 | Jayce^ | less interference, better meshing |
| 21:56.28 | beandog | oh okay |
| 21:56.29 | beandog | cool |
| 21:56.33 | beandog | so better quality signal |
| 21:56.37 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:56.48 | beandog | what kind of speeds do you get with those |
| 21:56.50 | beandog | digis, etc. |
| 21:56.53 | Jayce^ | digis started out with normal 802.11 based stuff, and a lot of users had issues |
| 21:57.04 | Jayce^ | you can get several mbit |
| 21:58.48 | rsimpkins | bbeattie: Yeah, long time no see. :) |
| 21:59.59 | bbeattie | been a while, my home is about complete so I can live again soon. |
| 22:00.14 | Jayce^ | bbeattie, finally? thought you moved a while ago.. |
| 22:00.23 | Jayce^ | or as always, did it take longer than it was supposed to? |
| 22:00.43 | bbeattie | the homes been under contract to build for a year in a week. |
| 22:00.51 | bbeattie | it's 5 months late. ;) |
| 22:01.00 | Jayce^ | ouch dude.. what happened? |
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| 22:01.24 | Jayce^ | hope they didn't dink with the price on you, raising it as materials went up |
| 22:01.38 | bbeattie | builder happened. ;) never build with someone that their contractors are all family and they have too many projects going on. |
| 22:02.20 | bbeattie | it's cost me $20k more |
| 22:02.37 | Jayce^ | ouch! |
| 22:02.43 | bbeattie | big ouch |
| 22:02.49 | Jayce^ | party at bbeattie's house! |
| 22:02.53 | bbeattie | yup. :) |
| 22:03.27 | Jayce^ | digis can be pretty good, been looking at switching to them myself.. latency isn't too bad.. |
| 22:03.40 | Jayce^ | a neighbor always did FPS gaming and didn't complain.. that was my worry |
| 22:04.06 | \me | anyone here a yui user? |
| 22:04.09 | bbeattie | I worried about latency but 1.5dsl isn't too fast for streaming video. |
| 22:04.34 | bbeattie | my current quest dsl line is running 160ms to c-solutions. |
| 22:04.37 | Jayce^ | jesse, played with it, keep meaning to actually implement with it |
| 22:05.08 | \me | I'm trying a Dialog with it, and need to modify html within that dialog (with appendChild), but it doesn't respond |
| 22:05.12 | \me | very weird |
| 22:05.26 | \me | both the object I'm trying to append to and the object I'm trying to append have innerHTML |
| 22:05.57 | \me | Jayce^: I thoroughly enjoy it - just a few quirks here and there if you can get around them |
| 22:06.02 | Jayce^ | you using any other js libraries? I've seen issues if you try using prototype or scriptaculous with it (well, those two can often stomp other libraries pretty bad) |
| 22:06.08 | RyanE | bbeattie: so did you install automation wiring? |
| 22:06.16 | \me | Jayce^: no, just yui right now |
| 22:06.48 | \me | I'm wondering if they disable some of that functionality within the dialog |
| 22:06.59 | \me | I'm trying to avoid having to dig through their code |
| 22:07.19 | Jayce^ | shouldn't be a problem appending |
| 22:08.02 | \me | yeah - doesn't make sense |
| 22:08.18 | Jayce^ | you follow yuiblog? |
| 22:08.30 | \me | not enough - I need to add it to my rss reader |
| 22:09.05 | \me | I wonder if 2.3 fixes the issue |
| 22:09.51 | \me | oooh - that skinning is pretty cool |
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| 22:12.21 | elg | anyone feeling lucky? I need someone to spot my bug in this code: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/08/02/pipelining-processes-in-ruby |
| 22:12.35 | elg | I'm getting too many open files after awhile, so somethings not cleaning up properly |
| 22:13.41 | bbeattie | I'm still president (just not there lately) of sllug, can't go to plug ;) |
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| 22:14.09 | Jayce^ | suuuuure |
| 22:14.15 | bbeattie | ryane: I've got about 2 miles of wiring in the home, and a little bit of c4 equipment ready to go in. |
| 22:14.20 | Tene | eww, ruby. :( |
| 22:14.37 | RyanE | bbeattie: groovy. If you have any questions or problems, let me know. |
| 22:14.46 | Jayce^ | so like my house, you no longer can use a cell phone inside? :) |
| 22:14.55 | bbeattie | ryane: how well does a relay work for a doorbell? ;) |
| 22:15.28 | RyanE | bbeattie: I don't know. I use a standard doorbell... :) |
| 22:15.28 | bbeattie | jayce^: cell still works, although nothing's running through them yet to cause interference.. |
| 22:15.40 | Tene | elg: can you explain this line to me? pids, r = args.inject([[],nil]) do |memo, cmd| |
| 22:16.30 | elg | Tene: best explained with an example: sum = numbers.inject(0) {|s,n| s + n} |
| 22:16.52 | bbeattie | I did some speakers in the main rooms and thought I'd use some creative doorbells.. and use the money for the chime on c4 equipment. :) |
| 22:17.06 | elg | so s is the running total |
| 22:17.13 | elg | the "memo" |
| 22:17.39 | elg | in this case the memo is a list of pids (for later reaping) and the read end of the pipe |
| 22:18.03 | Tene | They named that inject? |
| 22:18.12 | elg | yeah |
| 22:18.15 | Tene | huh. |
| 22:18.18 | elg | what would you name it? |
| 22:18.19 | bbeattie | jayce^: now if I can't get OTA signal I may try to bribe you to let me drop off a media box and get a high speed wifi connection between us. ;) |
| 22:18.22 | elg | I can't think of a good name, personally |
| 22:19.00 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:19.40 | bbeattie | I've been saving for some of those 750gb drives.. and trying to find a new MB that can hold more than 5 pci slots (new mb's don't have that many now :( |
| 22:20.21 | rsimpkins | So I am joining the ranks of brand new iPhone owners, and I'm wondering who else out there has one.... |
| 22:20.26 | bbeattie | jayce^: price is around $130 now, plus there's a lug discount if you ask. |
| 22:20.30 | Supaplex | I'd like a pci 5v only motherboard if someone doesn't want it anymore... |
| 22:20.54 | bbeattie | rsimpkins: still haven't seen one in person. |
| 22:21.09 | rsimpkins | I got the 8GB version. |
| 22:21.11 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, nice, I don't, but know a few folks with them.. |
| 22:22.20 | rsimpkins | I'll bring it to PLUG next week, of course. If I don't drop it and my wife doesn's steal it. |
| 22:22.37 | rsimpkins | It's kinda slippery, and I don't have a older or anything for it yet. |
| 22:23.32 | rsimpkins | s/older/holder |
| 22:23.54 | Supaplex | rsimpkins meant where's ibot? ;) |
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| 22:26.08 | bbeattie | Anyone know if there is anything likely to come of the linux based "iphone killer" rumor device? |
| 22:26.29 | Tene | openmoko? |
| 22:26.37 | Tene | It doesn't compete in the same market, really. |
| 22:27.00 | Tene | It's a pretty cool project, though. Very active. |
| 22:27.33 | bbeattie | not an iphone killer or close though... |
| 22:28.03 | \me | well, my appendChild issue appears to be a bug in yui |
| 22:28.08 | \me | upgraded to 2.3 and it works now |
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| 23:03.44 | bonez39 | moo? chocolate milk.... |
| 23:06.48 | fozzmoo | yum. |
| 23:08.00 | Shadowwire | So how is this fabled device an I-phone killer? |
| 23:08.10 | chadbryant | some retard in my oldest son's class told him the old "chocolate milk is made from bloody milk" UL |
| 23:08.23 | levi | Shadowwire: It isn't really. |
| 23:08.24 | Shadowwire | awsome |
| 23:09.13 | levi | Shadowwire: Basically it's a phone with a touchscreen that is going to be the Zaurus of telephones. |
| 23:09.18 | Shadowwire | sorry awsome to the chocolate milk comment. |
| 23:09.29 | Shadowwire | i see |
| 23:09.49 | klysmoth | what's up |
| 23:09.54 | levi | Geeks will love it; normal people not so much. |
| 23:10.07 | Shadowwire | nice. |
| 23:13.35 | elg | wow, the default settings on lame are, um, lame |
| 23:13.49 | klysmoth | the last headline I have is: Google shows off ad-supported cell phone |
| 23:13.50 | elg | --preset standard is decent though |
| 23:14.13 | Shadowwire | anyone hear about that bridge that collapsed? |
| 23:14.19 | elg | just a bit ago |
| 23:14.28 | klysmoth | yeah it's still "breaking news" apparently |
| 23:14.54 | rsimpkins | We are seeing the affects here. |
| 23:14.55 | elg | well it happened yesterday right? |
| 23:14.58 | rsimpkins | Our traffic is way up. |
| 23:15.17 | rsimpkins | Yesterday's commute. |
| 23:15.25 | klysmoth | yeah I caught it about 11pm |
| 23:15.41 | rsimpkins | That story about the school bus barley making it is amazing. |
| 23:15.49 | Shadowwire | I didnt hear about the bridge untill about 3:00 |
| 23:16.05 | Shadowwire | so what happened? |
| 23:16.52 | klysmoth | in the pictures, you can see 3 crashed cars and a semi or something on the bridge, and another car that almost flew off towards it |
| 23:16.57 | rsimpkins | A bridge collapesed into the missisipii river in the middle of rush hour. |
| 23:17.07 | rsimpkins | Like, a major freeway bridge. |
| 23:17.10 | Shadowwire | What happened with the school bus? |
| 23:17.19 | rsimpkins | The school bus was loaded with kids. |
| 23:17.20 | bonez39 | someone's head will roll |
| 23:17.25 | rsimpkins | Just made it across, just in time. |
| 23:17.35 | rsimpkins | I think only one kid was seriously hurt. |
| 23:17.44 | Shadowwire | anyone die? |
| 23:17.51 | rsimpkins | Not of the kids in the buss. |
| 23:17.53 | klysmoth | and the bridge was in the middle of repairs |
| 23:17.55 | rsimpkins | But yeah, lots of people died. |
| 23:17.59 | elg | bumper tobumper traffic |
| 23:18.09 | Shadowwire | man that sucks |
| 23:18.10 | elg | the repairs were inconsequential - surface repairs |
| 23:18.18 | Shadowwire | odd. |
| 23:18.32 | rsimpkins | It'll take months probably to figure out what really happened. |
| 23:18.39 | rsimpkins | But what - 30 dead? |
| 23:18.42 | Shadowwire | ~lart crappy bridge builders |
| 23:18.42 | ibot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses crappy bridge builders down |
| 23:18.53 | elg | apparently it only got 50/100 on its last inspection, but the local DOT didn't make it a priority (if I remember what i quickly read correctly) |
| 23:18.55 | rsimpkins | Several people drowned in the river. |
| 23:19.06 | rsimpkins | Truley horrible. |
| 23:19.13 | Shadowwire | indeed |
| 23:19.36 | rsimpkins | Hopefully it will spure a national review. |
| 23:19.57 | elg | maybe people will start worrying about something besides terrorists |
| 23:19.57 | Shadowwire | I dont think Ive been over any bridges spanning more than a few feet in the last few months. |
| 23:20.13 | klysmoth | the bridges are hardly subject to federal nasa-quality review |
| 23:20.19 | Shadowwire | elg: no doubt. |
| 23:21.11 | elg | Shadowwire: your optimism is heartwarming |
| 23:21.17 | Shadowwire | Howevver, if you have to worry about something, it might as well be terrorists. |
| 23:21.28 | elg | I, otoh, am just holding my breath that they don't start blaming terrorists for this bridge |
| 23:22.20 | bonez39 | isn't this bridge a plot to increase work for the bridge and road building interest across the country? hehehhehehehe |
| 23:22.27 | Shadowwire | well, we've talked about it now, im sure a lot of other people will speculate on that as well. |
| 23:22.28 | elg | Shadowwire: I think that's patently untrue. you feel like you (as a country) can do something about terrorists, so you fight them and make citizens go through crazy security measures |
| 23:22.32 | klysmoth | a hallmark of controversial news stories: can they "blame terror" in public |
| 23:22.46 | bonez39 | stir up the fear, uncertainty and doubt...and thus engender support for massive spending on bridge rebuilding? heheh |
| 23:23.03 | elg | if they were worried about bridges, we'd spend more money on making sure our bridges were safe, we'd have safer bridges, and we could still get through airport security in less time than the actual flight |
| 23:23.37 | chadbryant | the "security" measures undertaken at airports have been largely ineffective |
| 23:23.45 | elg | and largely annoying |
| 23:24.05 | bonez39 | chadbryant: amen...it's a huge black hole....a huge waste of piles of money |
| 23:24.09 | chadbryant | I get to avoid all of it |
| 23:24.17 | chadbryant | I just flash my military ID |
| 23:24.32 | Shadowwire | Does that realy help? |
| 23:24.36 | chadbryant | yes |
| 23:24.44 | Shadowwire | Ill have to try it. |
| 23:24.50 | chadbryant | I've never had my bags rifled through |
| 23:25.05 | chadbryant | I don't even get asked to take my shoes off |
| 23:25.28 | Shadowwire | not all terrorists are foreign. |
| 23:25.43 | klysmoth | translation: not all terrorists are ugly |
| 23:25.51 | klysmoth | j/k |
| 23:26.11 | Shadowwire | I know some pretty dumb people in the millitary, and I wouldnt put terrorism past them. |
| 23:26.19 | klysmoth | there is a lot of stuff that goes on overseas though |
| 23:26.48 | chadbryant | remember that scene in Full Metal Jacket? |
| 23:27.03 | Shadowwire | Which one. |
| 23:27.12 | chadbryant | where GSgt Hartman rattles off the names of Charles Whitman, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.? |
| 23:27.23 | Shadowwire | exactly. |
| 23:27.44 | dataw0lf | http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/801/1 |
| 23:27.51 | chadbryant | Tim McVeigh was an Army NCO |
| 23:28.01 | Shadowwire | chadbryant: I assume you've been in long enuph to meet a few idiots. |
| 23:28.23 | Shadowwire | I didnt know that about McVeigh? |
| 23:28.27 | chadbryant | oh, I'd say a good third I've met were FUBARed |
| 23:28.54 | Shadowwire | Now I know your not just blowing smoke about being in the millitary. |
| 23:28.58 | Shadowwire | :) |
| 23:29.08 | chadbryant | lol |
| 23:29.41 | chadbryant | young punks who would ask the dumbest/most disrespectful questions possible |
| 23:29.49 | chadbryant | "Drill Sergeant, you ever kill anyone?" |
| 23:30.11 | chadbryant | his answer: "No, you wanna be my first?" |
| 23:30.24 | Shadowwire | ha ha.! thats great. |
| 23:30.45 | klysmoth | and the reply: sir you want to kill me sir! |
| 23:30.47 | Shadowwire | Perhaps its better that we send some of our crazies over seas. |
| 23:30.49 | chadbryant | oh no |
| 23:30.53 | chadbryant | you want to die? |
| 23:30.59 | chadbryant | call a Drill Sergeant "sir" |
| 23:31.14 | klysmoth | haha |
| 23:31.35 | Shadowwire | Im sorry sgt. |
| 23:31.40 | bonez39 | I think we should fill the ranks...with a majority of those behind bars...give them a chance..and if they shine..and show they have leadership ability, and can come back alive....then work with them ... rehabilitate them faster..and the dumb ones...well, they can be the cannon fodder out front... |
| 23:31.42 | Shadowwire | Did you call me a sorry sgt? |
| 23:31.47 | chadbryant | "Don't call me sir; I work for a living." |
| 23:32.06 | chadbryant | yeah, you never say "sorry" |
| 23:32.17 | chadbryant | "I apologize, Drill Sergeant." |
| 23:32.19 | bonez39 | save the taxpayers....$50k a year , per inmate.......would be a purely survival of the fittest game.... |
| 23:32.49 | Shadowwire | Have you ever seen the Dirty dozzen? |
| 23:32.54 | chadbryant | there are still judges who try the "join the Army or go to jail" bit |
| 23:33.19 | Shadowwire | The millitary rejects most people with priors. |
| 23:33.27 | chadbryant | trouble is, the Army doesn't always like taking a lot of those |
| 23:33.45 | levi | Yeah, that's a phenominally stupid idea. |
| 23:33.46 | klysmoth | judges are probably more corrupt than attorneys, though it's the incapability in dealing with judges that make the attorneys corrupt in the first place |
| 23:34.00 | Shadowwire | here here. |
| 23:34.18 | levi | Sorry, phenomenally. |
| 23:34.39 | chadbryant | admittedly, the Army is the easiest branch (behavior-wise) to get into |
| 23:34.51 | bonez39 | well the Army could exceed all recruiting goals if they would take them..... |
| 23:34.51 | klysmoth | I'm probably for a fair punishment law or something |
| 23:34.57 | Shadowwire | theres only one word that is difficult to spell that I can spell. |
| 23:35.27 | Shadowwire | Meringue |
| 23:35.34 | chadbryant | the Army generally can't take anyone with a domestic violence record |
| 23:35.52 | chadbryant | wife-beaters don't get to handle weapons |
| 23:36.19 | Shadowwire | chadbryant: so, how long you been in? |
| 23:36.26 | bonez39 | I'd give them one chance..and if they act up, or get violent..Bang....oops.....in a bag.... |
| 23:36.27 | levi | The Army is for people who are okay with following orders, not for those who can't. |
| 23:36.33 | Shadowwire | true |
| 23:36.46 | bonez39 | anyone who'd beat a wife deserves that anyway..they do NOT rehabilitate, or change |
| 23:36.51 | levi | bonez39: You're disgusting. |
| 23:36.54 | bonez39 | let the Lord change them on the other side...! |
| 23:37.01 | chadbryant | KILL EM ALL |
| 23:37.04 | Shadowwire | nice... |
| 23:37.11 | chadbryant | LET GAWD SORT EM OUT |
| 23:37.16 | bonez39 | levi just jokin....sort of.....don't mean to get you all riled up... |
| 23:37.18 | klysmoth | him with the worst metaphor has the fangs in my mind |
| 23:37.36 | chadbryant | Shadow: four years ARNG |
| 23:37.41 | bonez39 | but yeah, the insurgents want to see those 1000 virgins and we want them gone...just round them all up and send them on their way....! |
| 23:37.50 | klysmoth | i'm still trying to decie between "head will roll" and "man that sucks" |
| 23:38.43 | Shadowwire | ever had to deal with the ROTC? |
| 23:38.58 | klysmoth | there's an rotc building here at byu |
| 23:39.03 | bonez39 | levi do you know 1....just one violent domestic beater...any guy who beats a spouse or child, ... who has ever turned around, and completely changed? |
| 23:39.04 | Shadowwire | im sorry. |
| 23:39.14 | klysmoth | the rotc took over part of the business building at uvsc |
| 23:39.24 | chadbryant | never dealt with ROTC, but a kid in my OSUT battery was an E-3 coming in because of military school |
| 23:40.15 | Shadowwire | Yea, ROTC realy pisses me off. |
| 23:40.21 | klysmoth | when I dealt with them, there were two people in the same office and only one of them knew that there were highlighters in the drawer |
| 23:41.22 | Shadowwire | Sounds like the kind of geniuses they have. |
| 23:41.30 | klysmoth | <snicker> |
| 23:41.33 | levi | bonez39: What's that got to do with using the Army as a rehab program? |
| 23:42.03 | levi | bonez39: Aside from being a good reason NOT to do it? |
| 23:42.11 | chadbryant | said kid was busted in jump school for stealing money from his SGT |
| 23:42.19 | bonez39 | levi oh, that was a new 'thread'... |
| 23:42.34 | chadbryant | I think he got a dishonorable - he was in a class before mine |
| 23:43.03 | Shadowwire | Sorry. |
| 23:43.08 | Shadowwire | Sgt. |
| 23:43.14 | Shadowwire | haha |
| 23:43.31 | klysmoth | shadowwire: will you send me the creation roll sheet email soon? |
| 23:43.52 | levi | I don't generally hang around with abusive people, so I certainly don't know any who 'got better'. |
| 23:43.56 | Shadowwire | Oh, yea, I forgot what I was going to send you. Ops |
| 23:44.03 | klysmoth | k |
| 23:44.14 | Shadowwire | Levi your missing out. |
| 23:44.17 | Shadowwire | JK |
| 23:44.52 | Shadowwire | Gotta run. C-ya! |
| 23:44.55 | klysmoth | ciao |
| 23:45.59 | bonez39 | gotta run too |
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