| 00:00.24 | klys | the G400 supports half-resolution HD (it's old) |
| 00:01.13 | klys | 720p is a neat trick though with a shared text/graphics fb console |
| 00:02.42 | klys | newer versions of lct allow for wide .bdf fonts on your terminal |
| 00:02.45 | Shadowwire | Anyone here use NOD32? |
| 00:03.54 | Shadowwire | sweet |
| 00:04.11 | klys | several X servers support fbdev: directvnc, XGGI, and XdirectFB |
| 00:05.48 | klys | and with remote-X, you can of course run a program from another machine |
| 00:07.57 | klys | so you could have xawtv, mplayer, and eog (an image browser) running from seperate machines (for example) |
| 00:08.33 | klys | thus relocating your main harddrive, vcd player, and tv tuner |
| 00:11.31 | beandog | :) |
| 00:11.32 | beandog | nice. |
| 00:11.50 | klys | I'm unclear on how to get youtube with mplayer though |
| 00:13.25 | Shadowwire | I dunno |
| 00:13.33 | Shadowwire | anyway, Im going home. |
| 00:13.46 | Shadowwire | well, not home so much as to help phil move. |
| 00:13.56 | klys | http://www.linux.com/articles/56642 |
| 00:13.58 | Shadowwire | c-ya klys |
| 00:14.00 | beandog | klys: youtube-dl |
| 00:14.03 | klys | ciao |
| 00:14.05 | beandog | then just play the .flv file |
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| 00:15.08 | klys | have a nice night! |
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| 00:45.55 | klys | vontrapp: you around? |
| 00:46.37 | findlay | beandog: you know what really bugs me? |
| 00:46.49 | beandog | whats that |
| 00:47.06 | findlay | the official way to suggest new ebuilds is to make a bugzilla entry for them |
| 00:47.23 | beandog | yah |
| 00:47.33 | beandog | whats wrong with that? |
| 00:47.35 | findlay | so you have to manually download the ebuild, rename the file, and watch the bug if there are any updated |
| 00:47.38 | findlay | s/d/s |
| 00:47.51 | findlay | that whole process is painful |
| 00:47.52 | beandog | oh, a version bump |
| 00:48.02 | findlay | new ebuilds too |
| 00:48.06 | beandog | right |
| 00:48.13 | beandog | use pybugz to suck down the attachments |
| 00:48.15 | beandog | makes it easier |
| 00:48.23 | findlay | basically I would be a lot more willing to try ebuilds if it were easier |
| 00:48.30 | beandog | Hmm |
| 00:48.34 | findlay | is that a python library? |
| 00:48.35 | beandog | most version bumps you can just rename the ebuild |
| 00:48.46 | beandog | no, its a CLI frontend to Gentoo's bugzilla |
| 00:48.49 | beandog | or any b ugzilla, really. |
| 00:48.50 | findlay | true |
| 00:48.56 | beandog | bugz search foo |
| 00:48.57 | findlay | oh |
| 00:49.00 | beandog | bugz attachment 12345 |
| 00:49.03 | beandog | bugz get 5678 |
| 00:49.05 | beandog | etc. |
| 00:49.07 | beandog | lots of features. |
| 00:49.11 | findlay | that's neat |
| 00:49.14 | vontrapp | klys: yeah |
| 00:49.24 | beandog | believe me, its not easy doing ebuild testing. |
| 00:49.25 | findlay | well, so much for being bugged :) |
| 00:49.28 | beandog | its a pain. |
| 00:49.31 | beandog | -_- |
| 00:49.51 | findlay | beandog: but I'm willing to help out with whatever skill I have |
| 00:50.05 | beandog | findlay: check out this tool... one second |
| 00:50.21 | beandog | app-portage/gatt-svn |
| 00:50.25 | beandog | I have no idea what it is |
| 00:50.37 | beandog | Ive already written my own, but I think there might be some helpful stuff in there. |
| 00:50.41 | beandog | and gentoolkit-dev |
| 00:50.42 | klys | vintrapp: can you tell me about the meeting topic? |
| 00:50.51 | beandog | findlay: what arch are you on |
| 00:51.05 | findlay | beandog: amd64 |
| 00:51.21 | findlay | what's more to testing beyond running the tests for a particular ebuild? |
| 00:51.29 | findlay | and following the bugs? |
| 00:51.44 | klys | vontrapp: can you tell me about the meeting topic? |
| 00:51.57 | beandog | findlay: becoming an arch tester :) |
| 00:51.59 | beandog | or a dev |
| 00:52.02 | beandog | we really need amd64 devs. |
| 00:52.03 | beandog | badly. |
| 00:52.54 | beandog | and it's easy, too :) |
| 00:53.15 | beandog | then you can keyword whatever you want |
| 00:53.28 | beandog | assuming it works, of course. |
| 00:54.53 | vontrapp | Paul McNabb is the Chief Security Architect for |
| 00:54.53 | vontrapp | Innovative Security Systems and has many years of experience with |
| 00:54.55 | vontrapp | operating system security and UNIX. |
| 00:55.19 | vontrapp | paul is the presenter |
| 00:55.28 | vontrapp | so something along those lines, i suppose |
| 00:55.40 | klys | vontrapp: when? |
| 00:55.45 | vontrapp | 7:30 |
| 00:55.49 | klys | what room? |
| 00:55.52 | vontrapp | CTB 340 (crabtree) |
| 00:55.55 | klys | ok |
| 00:56.27 | vontrapp | i think i will go, even though it will be just a half hour |
| 00:56.32 | klys | ever work with tripwire? |
| 00:56.46 | findlay | beandog: I'm back |
| 00:57.04 | klys | I heard about it one time, no big deal |
| 00:57.08 | findlay | vontrapp: there's a UUG meeting tonight? |
| 00:57.29 | klys | findlay: where are you? |
| 00:57.39 | findlay | didn't they know that I have my lessons on Tuesdays? |
| 00:57.47 | findlay | first the laptop sale and now this |
| 00:57.55 | findlay | you'd think they would consider |
| 00:58.14 | findlay | klys: I'm in West Jordan |
| 00:58.17 | klys | a lot of people have institute tonight |
| 00:58.31 | vontrapp | findlay: just like they knew i had soccer on tuesdays |
| 00:58.38 | findlay | my stake has institute 3 days a week |
| 00:58.45 | klys | woot |
| 00:58.48 | vontrapp | i guess pauls in town for something or other, and is going to present |
| 00:59.04 | vontrapp | but there's only been one email about it, no update to the site |
| 00:59.08 | vontrapp | i hope it didn't get dropped |
| 00:59.21 | findlay | ~ping *mcnabb |
| 00:59.21 | ibot | pong *mcnabb |
| 00:59.27 | vontrapp | findlay: boycott institute |
| 00:59.33 | klys | so, are we hearing about dns security, cryptography, or pam do you figure? |
| 00:59.53 | vontrapp | probably pam |
| 01:00.32 | findlay | even locally |
| 01:00.50 | findlay | had to rerun authconfig from a livecd chroot :) |
| 01:01.24 | vontrapp | ack, how do i un-overlay a nasa image on google earth? |
| 01:01.34 | klys | libpam-chroot libpam-ldap libpam-modules libpam0g |
| 01:04.58 | findlay | ~list klys |
| 01:06.30 | klys | libpam-heimdal libpam-http libpam-keyring libpam-krb5 libpam-krb5-migrate-heimdal libpam-mysql libpam-pgsql libpam-ncp libpam-l\dap libpam-p11 libpam-poldi libpam-rsa libpam-shishi libpam-unix2 libpam-usb |
| 01:06.44 | klys | s/l\d/ld/ |
| 01:07.14 | klys | solid PAM authentication methods |
| 01:07.32 | klys | there are a alot |
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| 03:44.37 | bonez41 | rsimpkins: ?? |
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| 06:23.06 | levi_home | Arg. |
| 06:23.19 | levi_home | I need a newer ubuntu disk, apparently. |
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| 07:37.52 | Supaplex | ~upgrade levi_home |
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| 14:00.48 | bonez39 | if I can't ssh because my router at the other has changed the IP of my linux box...woudl using the mac address be a better bet? |
| 14:01.11 | jsmith | How would you be able to use the MAC address? |
| 14:02.51 | bonez39 | well, I can remotely connect to my router at home....and it shows port forwarding.. hmm maybe I can't....oh well.....I know my machine is set to 192.168.1.10 and yet, now the routing table from the linksys admin page, shows 11, 12, 13,14, and 15......I can't understand how it shifted .10 away from my box...when that's what it's settings are..in /etc/network/interfaces.... |
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| 14:20.08 | Shadowwire | Morning. Yawn. |
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| 14:35.16 | Tene | Morning. |
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| 15:52.59 | bonez39 | mornin` Mac..... |
| 15:53.21 | Shadowwire | Yawn.. |
| 15:58.00 | macnewbold | g'day |
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| 16:01.09 | Shadowwire | howdy |
| 16:01.42 | Shadowwire | anyone ever have one of those big breakfast burritos at Carls Jr? |
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| 16:05.16 | bonez39 | hmmm burrito..........hungry....had no breakfast here... |
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| 16:08.50 | Shadowwire | I couldnt finnish a whole Breakfast burrito. |
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| 16:14.46 | Jayce^ | but could you swedish it? |
| 16:16.24 | bonez39 | Jayce^: oh, ...that was quick....... |
| 16:16.44 | Tene | Heh... I've had the opportunity to make that pun quite a bit recently. |
| 16:16.52 | Tene | My frend married a Finn. |
| 16:20.01 | levi | So, I did battle with the parts of my new Myth box as I assembled them. |
| 16:20.36 | bonez39 | new myth box, eh? is Myth a sort of DIY project? get the parts together and assemble? |
| 16:20.58 | levi | You can buy pre-built boxes. |
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| 16:21.42 | bonez39 | myth is improvement on Tivo, right? |
| 16:21.58 | Shadowwire | Oh... Swedish... I get it. |
| 16:23.03 | bonez39 | Shadowwire: you are tired....noticed your yawn......you need COFFEE...no, that new diet pepsi MAX....with the boost for your brain... |
| 16:23.20 | Shadowwire | sounds good |
| 16:23.58 | Shadowwire | I was up late trying to move that car I crushed with the track hoe, so the cement truck can get in this morning. |
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| 16:25.33 | Shadowwire | I wish I would have gotten rid of the car while i had the hoe. |
| 16:27.12 | levi | I got a nice 250GB SATA drive, but it wasn't getting recognized. |
| 16:27.49 | levi | After trying all sorts of different software things, I did some google searches and found that there's some buggy drive firmware or something such that if it's got a jumper on its pins, it isn't properly recognized. |
| 16:28.11 | levi | So after hours of fiddling with drivers and BIOS settings and stuff, pulling a little jumper fixed everything. |
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| 16:29.54 | bonez39 | Here's a question..if my machine reboots due to power failure, or otherwise, it doesn't just come back up..it halts at boot at (hd2,0) and won't boot until I e edit it..changing it to (hd0,0) and then b to boot it...I run update-grub and it sets all boot options to this erroneous (hd2,0) location... |
| 16:30.21 | bonez39 | I'd like to figure out why it's doing this......my two drives are both SATA...and I have no IDE drives in this box... |
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| 17:13.32 | sjansen | ~educate goozbach |
| 17:13.32 | ibot | ACTION teaches goozbach the basics, including how to RTM. |
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| 17:44.49 | fozzmoo | ~seen jsmith |
| 17:44.51 | ibot | jsmith is currently on #asterisk-doc (3h 57m 5s) #fredlug (3h 57m 5s) #utah (3h 57m 5s) #uphpu (3h 57m 5s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 2h 27m 45s, last said: 'jcolp: You're assuming that I still have hair'. |
| 17:45.11 | fozzmoo | What an interesting thing to have last said. |
| 17:47.12 | dataw0lf | http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5654344,00.html |
| 17:47.47 | RyanE | ouch. |
| 17:48.50 | fozzmoo | Now that's the way to go! |
| 17:49.09 | fozzmoo | I doubt there was enough time for "ouch" |
| 17:49.19 | RyanE | Yeah, but it hurts my neck just thinking about it. |
| 17:59.43 | maquis | ugh... |
| 17:59.46 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 17:59.58 | maquis | i'm with RyanE on that one |
| 18:00.20 | fozzmoo | I'm giving him 10 out of 10 for creativity. |
| 18:00.44 | RyanE | ... and a 10 for Execution... |
| 18:02.30 | atoponce | http://koke.amedias.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webdev_mind1.jpg |
| 18:02.53 | findlay | http://www.google.com/search?q=random&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 18:05.20 | beandog | atoponce: lol |
| 18:06.43 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:16.43 | Shadowwire | anyone have a crack for CS3 for the mac? |
| 18:20.08 | beandog | got any donuts? |
| 18:22.10 | nick125 | Speaking of gimp, anyone here see the new interface design thats supposed to be coming out some time? |
| 18:23.55 | nick125 | It looks interesting. I don't know if I should hate it or like it. |
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| 18:39.19 | rsimpkins | I like photoshop better. |
| 18:39.25 | sjansen | I'm back you lucky peoplies! |
| 18:40.22 | nick125 | Ugh. My new treo is still in Louisville, KY. |
| 18:40.47 | rsimpkins | My new iPhone won't be here until tomorrow. |
| 18:41.20 | nick125 | My treo is supposed to be here by friday (It was mailed on the 30th) |
| 18:41.33 | rsimpkins | nick125: Who is the shipper? |
| 18:41.44 | Shadowwire | I phone!?! who can afford one of those? |
| 18:41.48 | nick125 | rsimpkins: UPS |
| 18:42.02 | rsimpkins | nick125: UPS doesn't update their tracking until after it goes through a center. |
| 18:42.16 | rsimpkins | nick125: So it's probably on a truck between KY and your local distro center. |
| 18:42.18 | sjansen | People who should be sending me more expensive Christmas gifts, obviously. |
| 18:42.33 | Shadowwire | yea. |
| 18:42.34 | nick125 | rsimpkins: It usually shows "Departing" and "Arrival" messages |
| 18:42.45 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I promise to get you a gift twice as valuable as the one I gave you last year. |
| 18:42.49 | nick125 | Unless it changed.. |
| 18:43.27 | sjansen | Yay! Twice as much belly lint! I'll me able to finish my sculpture of James T. Kirk. :-) |
| 18:43.34 | nick125 | Then again, it could be worse. I had a package shipped through USPS, and the tracking information didn't show up until after the package was on my doorstep |
| 18:45.39 | nick125 | rsimpkins: I have another package going through UPS, and, it shows a departure scan when it left the facility. |
| 18:46.24 | rsimpkins | nick125: Who knows. Maybe the minimum wage guy in KY forgot to hit the 'departing' button. |
| 18:46.56 | nick125 | Probably. |
| 18:46.58 | Shadowwire | someone remind me where to go to see if a domain name is taken. |
| 18:47.19 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Open up a prompt and type 'whois domain.com' |
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| 19:01.05 | levi | Awesome: http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/relaycomputertwo/ |
| 19:03.15 | KenDawg | levi: that is pretty cool |
| 19:03.37 | levi | Noisy, though. |
| 19:06.18 | rsimpkins | levi: I've dreamed of having the time to build something like this. |
| 19:06.53 | rsimpkins | levi: I've sketched out a few designs of my own - but making it more visable. |
| 19:07.07 | rsimpkins | I wanted to create a highly visable computer - so you can see it working at the various levels. |
| 19:07.30 | levi | More like this one? http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/ |
| 19:08.08 | rsimpkins | levi: Yeah, something like that. |
| 19:10.48 | levi | Would be cool to do one like that, but use some core memory or something instead of an SRAM chip. |
| 19:11.56 | levi | Building a reasonable amount of RAM out of relays would be insanity. :) |
| 19:12.58 | rsimpkins | levi: Growing up I had a logic board that let you link together several gates and registers to create various logic circuts. It was fun. |
| 19:13.51 | levi | I had one of those 1001 kits from Radio Shack that had some logic components on it, but I think I fried them. |
| 19:14.13 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I had one of those too. |
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| 19:14.33 | rsimpkins | Lots of fun. |
| 19:14.49 | mrfickleflame | hows it going? |
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| 19:16.18 | levi | The height of my electronics hobby was building a car alarm for a moving truck we had rented. |
| 19:17.09 | levi | It worked, but I screwed up the power and it kept blowing fuses in the truck, so it never really got used. |
| 19:17.58 | rsimpkins | I had some home-school neighbors of mind that happened to share similar interestes. We built portable lasers, several tesla coils (including a rather large one), and dozens of small little electronics projects. |
| 19:18.04 | rsimpkins | Made our own rocket engines. |
| 19:18.14 | rsimpkins | Ground our own black powder. |
| 19:18.17 | rsimpkins | Built a car. |
| 19:18.21 | rsimpkins | It was insane. |
| 19:18.38 | levi | At one point I tried sketching out a design for some walkie-talkie radios, but I couldn't ever get parts to build things with. |
| 19:19.13 | rsimpkins | That's the rub. When you are younger you have tons of time for this stuff, but no money. |
| 19:19.19 | rsimpkins | When you are older you have money, but no time. |
| 19:19.23 | levi | Indeed. |
| 19:19.48 | levi | My wife is happy to let me spend tons of time on home repairs and upgrades and stuff, so that's become something of a hobby. |
| 19:20.08 | levi | If I holed myself up in a room working with electronics, I think she'd start to get a little resentful. |
| 19:21.29 | levi | I think it would be way cool to get back into hobby electronics, and there are some interesting things I'd like to try... but no time. |
| 19:21.49 | nick125 | Anyone here familiar with the PCI security standards? |
| 19:22.01 | nick125 | I think it's against those policies to store the CVV2. |
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| 19:30.27 | KenDawg | nick125: yeah, you are not supposed to store the CVV2 code |
| 19:30.51 | nick125 | KenDawg: Who would be the regulator of that? |
| 19:31.22 | KenDawg | PCI DSS |
| 19:31.24 | nick125 | I've noticed that my old voip provider is storing my CVV2 number on their site |
| 19:32.03 | Jayce^ | nick125, not good, they are supposed to do that |
| 19:32.12 | Shadowwire | I thought that was Illegal |
| 19:32.15 | Jayce^ | technically that's non-storable.. |
| 19:32.17 | KenDawg | I have the audit document here in front of me, let me find the line number |
| 19:32.21 | nick125 | I've looked it up, and, they aren't supposed to. |
| 19:32.38 | nick125 | (I had to look it up a long time ago when I was working on an ordering system) |
| 19:32.56 | KenDawg | 3.2.2 |
| 19:33.03 | nick125 | Who would I contact? Is there any kind of department at Visa that I could call up? |
| 19:33.17 | KenDawg | 3.2.2 Do not store the cardvalidation |
| 19:33.17 | KenDawg | value or code (three-digit |
| 19:33.17 | KenDawg | or four-digit number printed on the |
| 19:33.17 | KenDawg | front or back of a payment card) used |
| 19:33.17 | KenDawg | to verify card-not-present |
| 19:33.27 | Shadowwire | Yes, theyr number should be on the back of your card. |
| 19:33.31 | KenDawg | ahh, sorry the copy paste did not work as expected |
| 19:33.42 | Jayce^ | yeah, just call your visa card.. |
| 19:33.44 | nick125 | Shadowwire: The only number on the back of my card is the number to my bank. |
| 19:33.55 | beandog | yah |
| 19:33.55 | KenDawg | "3.2.2 Do not store the cardvalidation value or code (three-digit or four-digit number printed on the front or back of a payment card) used to verify card-not-present transactions" |
| 19:33.58 | beandog | theyre not supposed to store that |
| 19:34.00 | beandog | but everyone does. |
| 19:34.13 | Jayce^ | beandog, no, not everyone :) |
| 19:34.18 | beandog | NO,E VERYONE. |
| 19:34.24 | beandog | :) |
| 19:34.27 | Shadowwire | We dont |
| 19:34.34 | KenDawg | but that is only if they are following PCI DSS |
| 19:35.04 | Shadowwire | I probably woulndt wory about it unless its a problem. |
| 19:36.10 | Shadowwire | ~lart beandog |
| 19:36.10 | ibot | urinates on beandog |
| 19:36.11 | Jayce^ | but who wants PCI DSS.. oh yeah, major fines if you aren't :) |
| 19:36.19 | Jayce^ | big fines |
| 19:36.36 | Shadowwire | tru dat |
| 19:38.23 | Jayce^ | at least KenDawg also has DSS familiarity :) |
| 19:38.27 | nick125 | billing systems are tricky |
| 19:38.35 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 19:38.36 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. |
| 19:38.38 | fozzmoo | Profound words. |
| 19:38.41 | fozzmoo | I want a t-shirt! |
| 19:38.50 | nick125 | I knew it was against the PCI-DSS to store the CVV2, but, I was just making sure. |
| 19:39.22 | Jayce^ | pci-dss has some things that are so stupid, you wonder why they had to print them... |
| 19:39.26 | Jayce^ | then you do consulting.. |
| 19:39.40 | KenDawg | You can find the standards here: https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/ |
| 19:40.10 | Jayce^ | and the pdf of 1.1 is at https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/pdfs/pci_dss_v1-1.pdf |
| 19:40.12 | KenDawg | or more specficially, the audit document here: https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/pdfs/pci_audit_procedures_v1-1.pdf |
| 19:41.02 | KenDawg | But the audit document is really only used if you are attempting to get PCI level 1 status |
| 19:41.26 | KenDawg | PCI level 2, 3, and 4 you do a "self assesement", which is easy to rationalize anything ;-) |
| 19:42.37 | Jayce^ | KenDawg :) you doing sarbox too? |
| 19:43.03 | Jayce^ | your own billing code, or purchased system? |
| 19:43.35 | KenDawg | not sure if we will be doing Sarbanes-Onley compliacne or not |
| 19:43.49 | KenDawg | that doesn't fall under my responsibilities ;-) |
| 19:43.55 | Jayce^ | lucky :) |
| 19:44.08 | Jayce^ | what company? |
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| 19:44.41 | KenDawg | although if it is anything like the PCI level 1 audit procedures, I feel for you |
| 19:44.52 | emcnabb | http://crystalmartin.wordpress.com/ |
| 19:45.13 | Jayce^ | nah, sarbox is much worse, because it's actually federal law, and so ambiguous that nobody *really* knows what it means |
| 19:45.21 | beandog | uh, thanks |
| 19:45.24 | Jayce^ | which means lots of companies have jumped on to sell their version |
| 19:45.35 | beandog | a little warning next time |
| 19:45.47 | emcnabb | beandog: aw, come on |
| 19:45.55 | emcnabb | I wanted to make sure you were awke |
| 19:45.57 | beandog | warning: contains images of forks in noses |
| 19:45.58 | emcnabb | awake |
| 19:46.14 | beandog | bleh |
| 19:46.28 | beandog | well, not as bad as him :) |
| 19:46.31 | Jayce^ | beandog, you already were |
| 19:46.44 | beandog | yesh |
| 19:49.57 | nick125 | Ugh. I can't find a way to get a hold of Visa. |
| 19:50.37 | nick125 | I called my bank, and, they don't have any kind of contact information except for this "Price plus" department, which they said to call to see if I can get anywhere in trying to get to someone at visa |
| 19:50.39 | KenDawg | nick125: which VoIP provider are you using that is storing the CVV code? |
| 19:50.58 | nick125 | Asterlink |
| 19:52.00 | KenDawg | I am curious why they are storing it. There is no benefit, and quite a security risk involved |
| 19:52.14 | nick125 | Me too. |
| 19:52.32 | levi | Because it's information, and storing is what you do with information. |
| 19:52.36 | nick125 | I mean, it's taking up space on their servers, and, there's no reason for it unless they are doing some billing stupidity. |
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| 19:53.06 | bonez39 | I was at home at lunch..tried to access the net...and discovered that my /etc/resolv.conf file was and is empty...just has the "don't change this manually here, updated by resolvconf..." stuff commented out.... |
| 19:53.08 | nick125 | I have a feeling I know who their payment provider is.. |
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| 19:53.43 | nick125 | I know it's Vital, so, I'm guessing they are using cybersource. |
| 19:53.52 | bonez39 | I noticed here at work, that my /etc/resolv.conf file only contains 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' is that normally all one has in that file? |
| 19:54.19 | nick125 | bonez39: If there's a DNS server at 127.0.0.1, then, yes. |
| 19:54.20 | KenDawg | bonez39: yes, if you have a local DNS server |
| 19:54.44 | bonez39 | what if I do NOT have a local DNS server, what would I include? |
| 19:54.53 | KenDawg | nameserver <ip to dns server> |
| 19:54.59 | bonez39 | I assume my local DNS server is working, as I am able to connect... |
| 19:55.14 | KenDawg | you probably have the caching name server installed |
| 19:55.19 | bonez39 | KenDawg: I have comcast here...then it would jsut be the comcast nameserver? |
| 19:55.42 | KenDawg | bonez39: yes |
| 19:56.37 | bonez39 | how do I discover what comcast's nameserver or servers is (are)? |
| 19:57.29 | KenDawg | bonez39: by DHCP |
| 19:57.51 | nick125 | You could use 4.2.2.2 as well. |
| 19:58.12 | rsimpkins | bonez39: for me they are 68.87.69.146 and 68.87.85.98 |
| 19:58.24 | sinuhe | bonez39: nslookup? You can also do a whois of the domain. |
| 20:00.21 | beandog | comcast's nameservers suck. |
| 20:00.49 | KenDawg | sinuhe: a whois will only report the name servers, not the dns server |
| 20:01.54 | sinuhe | KenDawg: What is the difference, unless you are wondering what the gateway is. |
| 20:02.56 | KenDawg | sinuhe: the difference is basically the same as why you don't use the root DNS servers |
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| 20:04.01 | sinuhe | KenDawg: Then we have a different understanding of what he was asking. |
| 20:06.09 | KenDawg | sinuhe: sort of. Generally you want to use the DNS server that is closest to you and least overloaded |
| 20:06.22 | sjansen | Well, I for one was offended that anyone would be so bold as to request purple carrots. |
| 20:08.28 | KenDawg | sinuhe: my understanding is a dns or name server can be setup so that it only handles requests for its realm, and won't forward requests on for other servers outside of its realm. I could be wrong but I thought that is generally how the name servers are setup |
| 20:08.47 | nick125 | KenDawg: That's pretty accurate. |
| 20:08.51 | KenDawg | sinuhe: but the DNS servers that ISPs assign will handle and forward on all requests |
| 20:09.04 | KenDawg | sinuhe: but I could be very wrong |
| 20:09.13 | nick125 | KenDawg: ISPs usually use caching DNS servers that poll the domain's DNS server. |
| 20:14.27 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=migs@205.122.50.69) |
| 20:17.49 | ^Migs^ | we just had our first annual Weber School District Technology Symposium i.e. Brainblast, Day 1. |
| 20:17.58 | ^Migs^ | It was cool. We're teaching teachers technology. |
| 20:21.48 | sjansen | KenDawg: Forwarding requests is called recursion. |
| 20:22.12 | sjansen | A well configured DNS server will only perform recursion for trusted clients. (Internal IPs) |
| 20:22.46 | sjansen | Like running an open SMTP relay, running a DNS server that provides open relay is irresponsible because it can be used to attack others. |
| 20:23.58 | sjansen | KenDawg: In other words, I missed the beginning of the discussion but it sounds like you're right. |
| 20:26.10 | Jayce^ | sjansen, in other words, you missed the beginning of the discussion but you'd love to find something to argue with sinuhe about |
| 20:26.41 | sinuhe | sjansen and I would never get into an argument. What are you talking about? |
| 20:26.58 | Tene | ~sjansen sinuhe |
| 20:26.59 | ibot | ACTION tells sinuhe good things about sjansen |
| 20:27.01 | sjansen | sinuhe: Yes we would! You take that back of I'm telling! |
| 20:27.01 | Tene | ~sinuhe sjansen |
| 20:27.02 | ibot | ACTION describes all the benefits of GNU*PLUS*Linux to sjansen |
| 20:27.38 | sinuhe | You're opening a can of worms there, Tene. :-) |
| 20:27.47 | sjansen | Tene: We spent a week together, we've had plenty of time to talk about Linux. |
| 20:29.07 | sjansen | I shared with him my personal theory that RMS is the great Flying Spaghetti Monster incarnate. He tried to smother me in my sleep. |
| 20:29.21 | sjansen | In other words, we had a roaring good time. |
| 20:30.16 | Tene | I like suffocating people while they sleep. |
| 20:30.44 | dataw0lf | hey, me too. |
| 20:30.53 | Jayce^ | mmm, suffocation |
| 20:31.07 | sinuhe | Ah: stories of rms. He's a big teddy bear in a dirty hippy body... |
| 20:31.33 | Jayce^ | short guy too.. :) |
| 20:31.43 | Jayce^ | if you can get close enough to notice |
| 20:32.04 | beandog | hippies++ |
| 20:35.22 | sinuhe | Mention rms and the conversation suddenly goes quiet. Hmmm... |
| 20:35.25 | elg | hip++ |
| 20:35.50 | elg | sinuhe: sends the channel into the root mean square activity mode |
| 20:36.07 | elg | and since we mostly don't talk for 1/3 of the 24 hour period... |
| 20:36.12 | elg | not to mention weekends |
| 20:37.21 | bonez39 | KenDawg: back....was treating a patient...What I can't understand..is that I left my linux box...and when I came back, the IP it was using was changed, to 192.168.xx.11, where it was set, in /etc/network/interfaces to 192.168.xx.10, with static IP..... and the /etc/resolv.conf file was empty...when before it was working..I didn't change it...could someone hack my system there, and alter those files? |
| 20:37.23 | sjansen | elg: Be honest. Most of us are only online 9am-5pm MST/MDT. |
| 20:37.46 | elg | yes, but those who are on in the evening are periodically quite chatty |
| 20:38.37 | sinuhe | That's what logging and screen are for. |
| 20:40.36 | findlay | screening and logging |
| 20:40.46 | elg | scrogging |
| 20:40.57 | elg | a little-known alternative to snogging |
| 20:41.25 | sjansen | I am not scrogging findlay or sinuhe! |
| 20:41.30 | elg | prove it |
| 20:41.39 | sjansen | I might be will to make an exception for you elg... |
| 20:41.56 | findlay | heh |
| 20:41.59 | elg | I'm touched |
| 20:42.34 | sjansen | I guess I've got a soft spot for hairy Scandinavian men. |
| 20:42.46 | sjansen | elg: You do still have the beard, right? |
| 20:42.50 | Jayce^ | ~lart fozzmoo's picture |
| 20:42.50 | ibot | forces fozzmoo's picture to use Outlook Express |
| 20:42.52 | elg | i do |
| 20:43.05 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You don't like it? |
| 20:43.09 | elg | not as cool as yours, but not as spotty as it used to be either |
| 20:43.14 | Jayce^ | giddyup fozzmoo |
| 20:43.19 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:44.45 | sjansen | elg: Oh, good, you scared me for a moment. |
| 20:45.30 | sjansen | ~lart burning programs that don't clean up after themselves |
| 20:45.30 | ibot | whips burning programs that don't clean up after themselves with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 20:45.58 | findlay | ~burn sjansen |
| 20:45.58 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over sjansen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 20:46.12 | sjansen | ~flay findlay |
| 20:46.25 | sjansen | ~fork findlay |
| 20:46.26 | ibot | ACTION sticks a fork in findlay to see if dinner's ready. |
| 20:46.34 | findlay | ~spork sjansen |
| 20:46.35 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab sjansen with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out sjansen's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 20:47.00 | sinuhe | ~rm sjansen |
| 20:47.00 | ibot | sjansen is an unperson |
| 20:47.07 | sjansen | ~knife findlay |
| 20:47.10 | findlay | ~pause sinuhe |
| 20:47.19 | sjansen | ~kill -STOP sinuhe |
| 20:47.19 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited proton gun at -STOP sinuhe |
| 20:47.33 | sjansen | Oh, yeah, my bad. |
| 20:47.40 | sinuhe | ~grammar sjansen |
| 20:47.42 | sjansen | ~pkill -STOP -u sinuhe |
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| 20:48.26 | findlay | ~pgrammar sjansen |
| 20:48.36 | KenDawg | bonez39: check to see if you maybe have the DHCP client running |
| 20:48.55 | findlay | hm, guess sjansen isn't much of a programmer |
| 20:48.59 | sjansen | KenDawg: Hey, try to stay on topic, would ya? |
| 20:49.21 | sjansen | ~tickle KenDawg |
| 20:49.22 | ibot | ACTION jumps on KenDawg, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 20:49.25 | KenDawg | sjansen: which one? knifing or forking? |
| 20:49.41 | sjansen | Time wasting. |
| 20:49.56 | findlay | ~destroy Time |
| 20:49.57 | ibot | no |
| 20:49.57 | sjansen | No fair being helpful and making the rest of us look bad. |
| 20:50.04 | sjansen | ~waste time |
| 20:50.08 | sjansen | ~blame KenDawg |
| 20:50.09 | ibot | ACTION blames KenDawg (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:50.12 | findlay | ~shave yak |
| 20:50.13 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases yak until he sees TheRedBaron... then grabs TheRedbaron & dry shaves TheRedBaron from head to toe! |
| 20:51.01 | sinuhe | I think we're getting a little carried away here. Don't any of you guys work? Oh, wait, that explains it... :-) |
| 20:51.21 | sinuhe | I think I have a fonging coming. |
| 20:52.10 | Jayce^ | ~thing sinuhe |
| 20:52.15 | Jayce^ | ~thong sinuhe |
| 20:52.18 | bonez39 | KenDawg: fine, I'll check on the DHCP client, but if I have this machine set to use a STATIC IP...internally, what effect does DHCP have on it anway? I know DHCP is running on the router there... |
| 20:52.28 | Jayce^ | darn, that needs the harleypig thong |
| 20:53.57 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: http://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=thong-tailor.jpg |
| 20:54.45 | fozzmoo | Almost as fun as this: http://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=i-eat-your-skin.jpg |
| 20:58.56 | Shadowwire | ~? |
| 20:59.02 | Shadowwire | ~help |
| 21:00.15 | elg | why cover his eyes? as if he couldn't be recognized without his eyes |
| 21:00.31 | elg | what about people in sunglasses? i see the paparazzi has no trouble identifying brad pitt with sunglasses |
| 21:00.41 | Shadowwire | ~freshmeat |
| 21:00.42 | ibot | from memory, freshmeat is at http://www.freshmeat.net |
| 21:10.59 | Shadowwire | ~lart klys |
| 21:10.59 | ibot | installs PocketPC on klys's PDA |
| 21:11.01 | klys | ~it's 3 already |
| 21:11.14 | Shadowwire | the wha? |
| 21:11.26 | elg | bat'leth |
| 21:11.35 | Shadowwire | tha who? |
| 21:11.55 | elg | klys staggered to the ground, presumably because I killed him with a bat'leth |
| 21:12.00 | findlay | it means give me some pizza |
| 21:12.04 | elg | which is ironic since klyss the unforgettable forged the first bat'leth |
| 21:12.05 | klys | and now I need a light bulb |
| 21:12.14 | Shadowwire | a whoda whatzit? |
| 21:12.42 | findlay | so, where's my pizza? |
| 21:13.06 | Shadowwire | You just getting up? |
| 21:13.21 | klys | haha, I just had lunch and before that I took a long nap |
| 21:13.21 | Shadowwire | I had pizza for lunch at 2:00 |
| 21:13.35 | Shadowwire | I see. |
| 21:13.54 | Shadowwire | Thats not the fridge your looking for. |
| 21:13.59 | klys | it has surprisingly less items than I remember stocking it with |
| 21:14.11 | Shadowwire | you must have roommates |
| 21:14.27 | klys | notably missing are 5 frozen meals and a bag of burritos |
| 21:14.46 | Shadowwire | klys: where can i find what commands are available for ibot. |
| 21:14.48 | Shadowwire | ? |
| 21:14.57 | klys | ask TimRiker |
| 21:15.02 | klys | ~logs |
| 21:15.02 | ibot | logs is probably apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 21:15.19 | findlay | Shadowwire: dig through the source :) |
| 21:15.26 | klys | don't forget the green olives! |
| 21:15.34 | findlay | oh, that too |
| 21:15.40 | klys | ;) |
| 21:15.45 | Shadowwire | um... how to say... Im not much for digging. |
| 21:15.56 | findlay | try ~help |
| 21:16.01 | Shadowwire | tried that |
| 21:16.39 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 21:16.52 | klys | there is an interesting bot in #debian at irc.debian.org, named dpkg. has a lot of information to ask about |
| 21:17.06 | klys | uses blootbot |
| 21:17.15 | elg | klys: meet ibot |
| 21:17.23 | Shadowwire | ? |
| 21:17.50 | findlay | klys: same bot |
| 21:17.57 | klys | do you have some sort of sql transfer going on? |
| 21:18.20 | elg | as a matter of fact, sjansen does |
| 21:18.37 | elg | delete * from #utah where nickname=klys |
| 21:18.42 | klys | what mysql tool is used for the updates? |
| 21:18.54 | klys | ~nerk |
| 21:18.55 | ibot | nerk! |
| 21:18.58 | klys | haha |
| 21:19.02 | ^Migs^ | ~narf |
| 21:19.03 | ibot | ACTION the same thing we do every night $1, we're gonna try to take over the world! |
| 21:19.12 | findlay | ~narf ^Migs^ |
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| 21:20.24 | elg | beandog, or anyone, what is a video format that just works for windows users? |
| 21:20.48 | findlay | wmf? |
| 21:20.58 | klys | probably realvideo |
| 21:22.09 | klys | wmf works, though it may use w23codecs |
| 21:22.20 | klys | s/w23/w32 |
| 21:23.02 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to buy contacts on the black market? |
| 21:23.30 | findlay | black contacts |
| 21:23.47 | klys | look for a yard sale |
| 21:24.31 | klys | I doubt you'd find anything on craigslist or the classifieds |
| 21:24.55 | findlay | you could always hire James Bond |
| 21:25.07 | findlay | I bet he would do contract work as a contact for you |
| 21:25.20 | goozbach | or you could just pay for an eye exam, and buy your contacts from 1800contacts |
| 21:25.33 | ^Migs^ | I require a special prescription |
| 21:25.45 | findlay | goozbach: so little imagination |
| 21:26.09 | ^Migs^ | surely there's some company in some country that doesn't require prescriptions |
| 21:27.15 | elg | wait, you require a special perscription so you're looking for places that don't do perscriptions at all? |
| 21:27.22 | elg | i recommend the minority report approac |
| 21:27.47 | klys | try froogle then |
| 21:27.55 | KenDawg | goozbach: are the quality of 1800contacts pretty good? |
| 21:28.10 | KenDawg | goozbach: can they do special prescriptions? |
| 21:28.10 | elg | are contacts even worth considering? |
| 21:28.25 | elg | i don't see why they couldn't do any perscription you could throw at it |
| 21:29.15 | ^Migs^ | no, I mean they'll do it without going through all these dump U.S. legal measures |
| 21:29.28 | ^Migs^ | I can just tell them the prescription of contact i need, but won't actually need to furnish a prescription from a doctor |
| 21:29.42 | ^Migs^ | two different usages of the word "prescription" |
| 21:30.29 | Supaplex | some Rx ;) |
| 21:30.46 | sinuhe | Never having bought glasses, I'm surprised to hear that glasses require prescriptions. Once you've learned from an eye doctor what you need for your vision, you should be able to buy glasses at any eye glass outlet. |
| 21:30.59 | ^Migs^ | upi |
| 21:31.01 | ^Migs^ | you'd think |
| 21:31.22 | ^Migs^ | but glasses and contact prescriptions are regulated by Federal Law. You can't buy them without one |
| 21:31.41 | sinuhe | I wonder why that is. |
| 21:31.56 | findlay | there must be a bad reason for it |
| 21:32.10 | ^Migs^ | probably |
| 21:32.15 | ^Migs^ | which is why I'm looking for offshore contacts |
| 21:32.26 | elg | so you can't sue the doctor for 250k because you used a 10 year old Rx and couldn't see your dog's fleas |
| 21:32.36 | Supaplex | I don't mind it so much. They do you a service by fitting you with the most relavant Rx |
| 21:33.40 | KenDawg | It's because the matrerials in the contacts can be ground up to make a drug like substance you can get really high off of, so it is a controlled substance. |
| 21:33.59 | Supaplex | wtf? |
| 21:34.05 | findlay | haha |
| 21:34.53 | bonez39 | KenDawg: you wouldn't know the chemistry behind that....the contacts..and such...would you? |
| 21:35.34 | KenDawg | bonez39: no sorry, I was being sarcastic :-( |
| 21:35.34 | elg | Supaplex: I went to a doctor who gave me a stupid Rx and I was stuck with it until I could afford to go get another exam and glasses |
| 21:35.35 | findlay | probably just some transparent plastic |
| 21:36.34 | findlay | hydrocarbons! You can get high off hodrocarbons!! ... somehow |
| 21:37.52 | sjansen | Man, I wish I have John C. Dvorak's job. |
| 21:38.18 | fozzmoo | sjansen: So you can be an arrogant ass? |
| 21:38.18 | sjansen | I'm already good at forming random opinions and sticking too them despite all evidence to the contrary. |
| 21:38.19 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. |
| 21:38.20 | bonez39 | sjansen: what? play with cool gadgets and write about them? |
| 21:38.21 | elg | i wish you have soy sauce in your nose |
| 21:38.29 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 21:38.38 | Tene | elg: mpeh something, or wmv |
| 21:38.42 | sjansen | fozzmoo: No, I want to be _payed_ for work I'm already doing. |
| 21:38.46 | Tene | mpeg, that is |
| 21:38.46 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 21:39.01 | fozzmoo | payed. hee. |
| 21:39.08 | findlay | ~pay sjansen |
| 21:39.16 | sjansen | It the American way. It's Capitalism. |
| 21:39.22 | fozzmoo | Or capitolism. |
| 21:39.26 | sjansen | Wait... that give me an idea... |
| 21:39.27 | findlay | heh |
| 21:39.42 | KenDawg | Just in case anyone really wondered why you need a prescription for contact lenses... Acuvue says (http://www.acuvue.com/faq.htm): |
| 21:40.29 | sjansen | I hereby notify and inform anyone who has, is or will use #utah that they are in violation of my copyrights under the terms of the DMCA. |
| 21:40.37 | KenDawg | "Contact lenses are medical devices that require a prescription... many of the changes that can occur to your vision, eye health and general health over time can only be detected using highly specialized equipment and procedures... Only an Eye Care Professional can properly measure your need for correction as well as determining which size and type of contact lens is best for you. To keep your vision sharp and your eyes and body healthy, |
| 21:40.54 | findlay | "... otherwise the wrong lenses can focus the sun's radiation on your retina and burn a hole in it. Just imagine ants walking across the rear of your posterior cavity and, yeah, you get the idea: boom" |
| 21:41.02 | sjansen | I demand re-numeration or will be forced to pursue legal recourse. |
| 21:41.11 | sjansen | In other words: "Pay up suckers!" |
| 21:41.24 | levi | You are now 235. |
| 21:41.38 | elg | KenDawg: mostly-correct hogwash |
| 21:42.05 | levi | sjansen: Perhaps you meant remuneration? |
| 21:42.06 | fozzmoo | KenDawg: Basically, we don't trust you to do anything safe to your own eyes. |
| 21:42.18 | KenDawg | fozzmoo: exactly |
| 21:42.43 | sjansen | levi: Watch it, you're already on my short list for creating derivative works from so many of my comments. |
| 21:43.33 | KenDawg | "levi: Watch it, you're already on my short list for creating derivative works from |
| 21:43.50 | levi | sjansen: I'm just saying, you'll look pretty silly to the judge if you ask to be renumbered. |
| 21:43.50 | ^Migs^ | that doesn't explain anything, KenDawg |
| 21:43.52 | KenDawg | what percentage of your writing do I need to copy and paste to copyright violate? |
| 21:44.14 | mrpull | has anybody encountered the messengerstatus dot net IM worm yet? |
| 21:44.20 | ^Migs^ | they jump to the conclusion that "keeping your vision sharp" = "keeping your eyes and body healthy" |
| 21:44.21 | KenDawg | levi: Watch it, you're already on my short list for creating derivative works from so many of my |
| 21:44.34 | KenDawg | that time I only left off Comments. Am I safe there? |
| 21:44.37 | ^Migs^ | they have not yet proved to me why an improper prescription would cause my body harm |
| 21:44.42 | sjansen | levi: Poor spelling an incoherent grammar are part and parcel of my trademark and you are infringing on it by pointing it out. |
| 21:44.57 | ^Migs^ | everything else they say in the statement is true, though |
| 21:44.59 | levi | sjansen: Yeah, yeah. Tell it to the judge. :) |
| 21:45.51 | sinuhe | KenDawg: The fair use part of copyright law is vague. The most precise answer is what you can convince a judge of. Usually the arguments are based on the nature of the work, the significance of the content copied, and the use of your copying. |
| 21:46.14 | sjansen | levi: Need I remind you that you live in Utah? The judge is surely Republican and anyone smart enough to vote Republican is smart enough to realize a professional should be payed for his labor. |
| 21:46.38 | sinuhe | sjansen: I think I voted for a Republican once. |
| 21:46.43 | levi | So, you're a poor speller and a sexist, eh? |
| 21:47.01 | findlay | http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html |
| 21:47.12 | KenDawg | sinuhe: does google perform copy right violation by archiving sites? |
| 21:47.30 | ^Migs^ | PWNED |
| 21:47.43 | sjansen | Fair Use is defined by the author. I declare there is no fair use for any work derivative of, inspired by, or vaguely resembling anything I've ever said, am saying or might someday say. |
| 21:48.21 | ^Migs^ | It speaks volumes about a person's poor intelligence when they don't vote Republican |
| 21:48.32 | sjansen | If you don't all pay up, I will file a patent for a conversation held in an electronic forum named after a state. |
| 21:48.44 | fozzmoo | We (Iodynamics office) have decided we need t-shirts made up which say (in big, bold letters): Stupid Windows! |
| 21:49.03 | fozzmoo | Adam's ready to strangle someone who claims responsibility for the insanity he's experiencing. |
| 21:49.10 | KenDawg | ^Migs^: I read that historically Utah was a Democatric state |
| 21:49.14 | ^Migs^ | I want to buy a Hydrocarbon-Fueled Ecovehicle sticker to put on my car |
| 21:49.27 | KenDawg | it wasn't until recently that we switched to a Republican state |
| 21:49.30 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: You know where to get those stickers, right? |
| 21:49.38 | sinuhe | KenDawg: That's an interesting question. That is part of the use argument. Since the purpose of copyright constitutionally is the benefit of the people, the fact that google serves everyone, it might be argued that Google's copying is fair use. |
| 21:49.42 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:49.44 | KenDawg | something about the republicans at the time didn't want Utah to be a state or something... |
| 21:50.14 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that sounds like an urban myth |
| 21:50.21 | ^Migs^ | not even an urban legend. An urban MYTH. |
| 21:50.26 | sinuhe | sjansen: Not so. Fair use is *not* defined by the author. |
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| 21:50.57 | sjansen | Nah, it's because at the time the Republicans were less evil, when the Democrats decided to become less evil instead Utah was forced to change allegiance... or something like that. |
| 21:51.22 | sinuhe | sjansen: The author can argue in advance that particular uses are prohibited (within the 7 provisions allowed) as a way of protecting himself, but that doesn't mean that is enforceable. |
| 21:51.34 | sinuhe | sjansen: That sense of enforcement is the entire point of fair use. |
| 21:52.25 | sjansen | sinuhe: By conversing with me you agree to my implied license, soon to be available publicly, the summary of which is: I p0wnzer j00. |
| 21:53.08 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:53.08 | ibot | does a little 'renice 20 -u sjansen' |
| 21:54.47 | KenDawg | sinuhe: the one point (copyright) that really irritates me is fan art |
| 21:54.56 | sinuhe | sjansen: By conversing with me publically, I do indeed agree to an implied license that others can read our conversation. De facto: duh. |
| 21:55.05 | sinuhe | KenDawg: fan art? |
| 21:55.12 | sjansen | KenDawg: I agree. Fan art should be not only illegal but punishable by death. |
| 21:55.36 | KenDawg | sinuhe: yeah, fan art is a violation of the copyright, but is generally not enforced.... unless you are nintendo or disney |
| 21:55.36 | sinuhe | The Republican in sjansen springs forth. |
| 21:55.37 | dataw0lf | KenDawg: it is "historically" a democratic state. All southern states are. |
| 21:55.42 | dataw0lf | Utah supported slavery. |
| 21:55.43 | elg | sjansen: http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50335477/Strong_Force_Electric_Fan.jpg |
| 21:55.47 | dataw0lf | Democrats supported slavery. |
| 21:55.54 | dataw0lf | tada! |
| 21:56.10 | sinuhe | Kendawg: define fan art. |
| 21:56.26 | sjansen | I'm sure I'll lose control if I see one more online story that begins "Jane gazed on Picards rippling chest muscles with a quiet confidence..." |
| 21:56.42 | KenDawg | sjansen: funny, I really like your "fan" art |
| 21:56.44 | sinuhe | datawolf: dualistic thinking leads you to unecessary presumptions. |
| 21:56.55 | dataw0lf | it's not a presumption |
| 21:56.57 | dataw0lf | It's history. |
| 21:56.59 | dataw0lf | It's documented. |
| 21:57.04 | dataw0lf | I don't think dualistically. |
| 21:57.09 | fozzmoo | democrats fought civil rights. |
| 21:57.10 | dataw0lf | However, in the case of "North versus South" |
| 21:57.14 | dataw0lf | that's about as dualistic as you can be. |
| 21:58.04 | KenDawg | we should just drop the labels of Republicans and Democrats and call ourselves Americans |
| 21:58.36 | KenDawg | and then when everyone is not looking, I will create my own political party, and rule the world |
| 21:58.40 | KenDawg | wahahahaha |
| 21:59.05 | sinuhe | datawolf: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Assuming you were talking about democrats, because of the mention of Republicanism vis a vis sjansen, you have fallen into a dualistic trap. The entire Jeffersonian politic that dominates the last century of politics, and political parties, I object to. Hence, the presumption. |
| 21:59.19 | elg | KenDawg: we should just rename the two parties to American and Unamerican |
| 21:59.46 | KenDawg | elg: which would be which? |
| 21:59.52 | sjansen | How about Greedy and Incompetent? |
| 21:59.53 | elg | well that's the rub |
| 21:59.55 | dataw0lf | sinuhe: whether YOU object to it or not does not mean it's a presumption. Utah was a Democrat controlled state. |
| 21:59.58 | KenDawg | Are the American's the group with the larger population? |
| 22:00.02 | dataw0lf | they supported slavery. |
| 22:00.51 | dataw0lf | as a congressional and governmental body. |
| 22:01.33 | dataw0lf | that has nothing to do with dualism. |
| 22:01.52 | sinuhe | datawolf: What does democrats controlling Utah at one point, or democrats supporting slavery, have anything to do with it? Your targeting democrats, after the mention of republicans, shows you are stuck in a two party concept, based on a Jeffersonian philosophy intended to combat a now non-existent political spectrum. It's time to change our thinking, instead of talking about democrats and republicans as if they were helpful concepts (outside of refer |
| 22:02.12 | levi | http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/business/01cnd-stocks.html?ex=1343620800&en=2e2edcb9467c3f24&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss |
| 22:02.17 | dataw0lf | sinuhe: Our history is DUALIST |
| 22:02.18 | dataw0lf | Not me. |
| 22:02.22 | dataw0lf | Are you an idiot? |
| 22:02.25 | dataw0lf | I was making an observation. |
| 22:02.30 | sjansen | Utah also cast the deciding vote to end prohibition. Who cares? We're straying from the real topic. Namely: What's wrong with Star Trek fans. Do the DVDs contain chemicals that slowly kill brain cells? Or is a deep need to dress up a a Klingon what drove them to become fans? |
| 22:02.33 | sinuhe | dataw0lf: I was also making an observatoin. |
| 22:02.38 | dataw0lf | I don't really care what party controlled or started Utah |
| 22:02.41 | Tene | sinuhe: you got cut off after "... outside of refer" |
| 22:02.41 | nick125 | Yay, my treo just left Louisville, KY and it's in route to here. Yay. |
| 22:02.42 | sinuhe | s/toin/tion/ |
| 22:02.46 | dataw0lf | I wasn't making a moral judgement. |
| 22:02.49 | Tene | sinuhe: fix your IRC client. |
| 22:03.13 | Tene | There's a script for irssi that fixes the "long lines get cut off" behavior |
| 22:04.01 | dataw0lf | sinuhe: Making an observation about our history does not mean I'm being dualist. Whatsoever. I was merely commenting that when someone mentions that Utah was Democrat at one time, that yes, it was so. |
| 22:04.19 | sinuhe | Tene: Are my comments not coming through fully? |
| 22:04.22 | dataw0lf | whether or not I AGREE with bipartisan politics is besides the point. |
| 22:04.27 | elg | Utah was Mexican once |
| 22:04.32 | Tene | sinuhe: the really long ones aren't. |
| 22:04.51 | sinuhe | Tene: are or aren't |
| 22:05.12 | Tene | sinuhe: characters after a certain length are silently discarded by the IRC server. |
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| 22:05.21 | Tene | This length is advertised by the IRC server at connection time. |
| 22:05.38 | Tene | irssi doesn't by default split messages to sections of that length. |
| 22:06.01 | elg | Tene: what are you smoking? irssi splits messages |
| 22:06.30 | Tene | elg: sinuhe's doesn't. |
| 22:06.33 | KenDawg | elg: was Utah Mexican, or was Mexico Utahean? Is your glass have empty or half full? |
| 22:06.42 | elg | half mexican |
| 22:07.17 | sinuhe | Tene: I see. I'll look into it. |
| 22:07.17 | bonez39 | what might make a system very SLOW to respond to ssh ? I log on to another system on my LAN here and it just takes so long .. seems like a minute, but at least 10 seconds..to give back a Password: prompt... |
| 22:07.26 | Tene | bonez39: dns |
| 22:07.29 | bonez39 | then if I log off that machine, it takes several seconds before it logs me off |
| 22:07.38 | bonez39 | hmm I shoulda guessed... |
| 22:07.41 | Tene | bonez39: 99% sure that's dns-related. |
| 22:07.45 | bonez39 | how do I hunt down the trouble then? |
| 22:07.45 | KenDawg | elg: that reminds me of a joke... a half mexican and a half something else walk into a bar.... |
| 22:08.04 | elg | lol? |
| 22:08.16 | KenDawg | I am going to start all of my jokes off with "a half mexican and a half utahan walk into a bar..." |
| 22:08.43 | KenDawg | bonez39: dns issues will cause a slow login to ssh |
| 22:10.41 | KenDawg | what do you mean it is connecting you on .10? |
| 22:11.01 | KenDawg | bonez39: what I just said |
| 22:13.09 | bonez39 | KenDawg: I have set my linux box to allow me to ssh to it, with 192.168.15.10... and yet, when I was home at lunch, I ran ifconfig and it showed instead an IP 192.168.15.11 clearly NOT what I had set it to...someone or something has shifted it. |
| 22:13.23 | bonez39 | sorry about the abbreviation... |
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| 22:22.44 | bonez39 | EF HUTTON here again... |
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| 22:58.01 | rsimpkins | bonez39: I'm around for a few minutes. |
| 22:59.34 | bonez39 | ok.... |
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| 23:12.07 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
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| 23:24.22 | beandog | elg: divx |
| 23:26.51 | findlay | 512 is half of 1024 |
| 23:27.12 | klysmoth | 524288 is half of 1048576 |
| 23:28.01 | findlay | 1000 is 1/10 10000 |
| 23:28.18 | findlay | successive place-values in base n are n times larger than n-1 |
| 23:28.33 | findlay | that's clever |
| 23:28.40 | findlay | whoever figured that out is clever |
| 23:29.21 | findlay | rather the mth place-value in base n is n times larger than place-value m - 1 |
| 23:30.00 | findlay | whereas today we would just know that that is a property of place-value based counting |
| 23:30.20 | findlay | it occludes the cleverness of it |
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| 23:34.26 | klysmoth | cool, I just pressed F10 in hnb |
| 23:34.49 | findlay | whay does that mean? |
| 23:35.00 | klysmoth | see: hnb.sf.net, it's l337 |
| 23:35.02 | Tene | findlay: I've never noticed how clever that is, actually. Wow. |
| 23:35.35 | findlay | Tene: are you being sardonic? :) |
| 23:35.45 | Tene | findlay: I'm completely serious here. |
| 23:35.50 | findlay | aw |
| 23:36.04 | findlay | well, let me tell you the back story |
| 23:37.13 | findlay | there I was at some guy's house late Sunday night and I was trying to look cool by explaining how you can count to 1024 on your hands in binary rather than the traditional 10 in zeronary/unary |
| 23:38.07 | findlay | and I said: "You can count to 512 on one hand" which is totally wrong. 2^5 = 32, 2^9 = 512 |
| 23:38.19 | Tene | *nod* |
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| 23:38.35 | findlay | so I thought: "what half was I thinking of subconsciously at the time" |
| 23:39.03 | findlay | it turns out it's codified by the place-value |
| 23:40.29 | findlay | it's a little more interesting in base 2 since we deal with halves more often than 10ths |
| 23:41.20 | findlay | but *I* learned the divide-by-10 trick way back in elementary school |
| 23:42.54 | klysmoth | took about 3 min. |
| 23:43.04 | findlay | of course if you have really good dexterity you can count in base 3 with tri-state fingers |
| 23:47.04 | klysmoth | so I found out that GLX supports remote DRI |
| 23:47.23 | klysmoth | so Xorg and XFree86 can both do it |
| 23:48.11 | klysmoth | now I'm wondering if you can get a popular game on the screen |
| 23:48.45 | klysmoth | probably can with cedega, huh |
| 23:51.43 | Shadowwire | exit |
| 23:51.50 | klysmoth | type /part |
| 23:51.57 | Tene | No! |
| 23:52.27 | beandog | /part |
| 23:52.31 | klysmoth | haha |
| 23:52.36 | beandog | :) |
| 23:52.40 | Tene | No, beandog! |
| 23:52.45 | Tene | Don't you know what that means? |
| 23:52.49 | Tene | Read it backwards! |
| 23:52.50 | beandog | I wont leave you, Tene! |
| 23:52.53 | Tene | It's a trap\! |
| 23:52.54 | beandog | lols |
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