| 00:00.26 | Shadowwire | Klys: Ive had a laptop for over a year. A good one. i havnt tried mingw yet im running both xp and vista, depending no the machine. |
| 00:00.56 | Shadowwire | anyway, gotta go. Bye! |
| 00:01.00 | Shadowwire | ~lart me |
| 00:01.00 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at shadowwire |
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| 01:58.42 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 01:58.42 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to vontrapp, and goes postal |
| 01:59.19 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 01:59.19 | ibot | chops vontrapp in half with a free AOL CD |
| 01:59.44 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 01:59.56 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 02:22.58 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 02:23.12 | elg | cruel |
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| 03:55.07 | findlay | ~lart stuff |
| 03:55.07 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at stuff |
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| 04:11.46 | chadbryant | http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/ |
| 04:12.05 | fozzmoo | http://www.birdcinema.com/view_picture.php?viewkey=665ce8623e36bd4e3c7c |
| 04:13.32 | fozzmoo | chadbryant: I'm stoked. |
| 04:14.14 | chadbryant | that's something that could benefit many people |
| 04:14.45 | fozzmoo | I'm just thinking about my kids |
| 04:15.00 | chadbryant | someone on Slashdot proposed a really good idea |
| 04:15.18 | chadbryant | some sort of recessed compartment that could be used to store a USB memory stick |
| 04:16.07 | fozzmoo | I'm sure a little pocket can be sewn into the small laptop bag. |
| 04:16.38 | chadbryant | well, the compartment would mean that you could put a memory stick in, without it hanging out |
| 04:17.32 | fozzmoo | Oh I see what you're saying. |
| 04:17.56 | fozzmoo | It's a little baffling there's still a Windows key on the keyboard. |
| 04:18.13 | fozzmoo | and that stupid Menu key |
| 04:18.24 | chadbryant | it's "Windows compatible" |
| 04:18.38 | fozzmoo | The right Shift key is almost non-existent, it's so small. |
| 04:18.46 | chadbryant | though why you'd want to use Windows on something so beautiful is beyond me |
| 04:18.59 | fozzmoo | At least the backspace and enter keys are decently sized. |
| 04:19.16 | fozzmoo | Tab is probably the smallest key on the keyboard |
| 04:19.22 | chadbryant | as long as I could install the Linux flavor of my choice, I would be happy |
| 04:19.44 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I was just wondering if I could get a full-functioning Fedora 7 desktop in 4GB of space. |
| 04:20.00 | chadbryant | I'd probably go Xubuntu |
| 04:20.08 | fozzmoo | Yeah- do whatever you're most comfy with. |
| 04:20.27 | fozzmoo | It's a winner for a thin-client. |
| 04:20.39 | fozzmoo | but that kind of defeats the purpose of having it be mobile. |
| 04:21.03 | chadbryant | it could fit both uses |
| 04:25.13 | levi_home | That's a pretty slick gadget. |
| 04:26.31 | levi_home | A bit larger than my Sony Picturebook, but faster and WAY cheaper. |
| 04:26.34 | chadbryant | the VGA output means you can easily work @ home with it as well |
| 04:26.44 | fozzmoo | if they're out by Christmas, I'll definitely be getting atleast one for my dad. |
| 04:26.53 | chadbryant | ASUS could do nicely with some peripherals |
| 04:27.00 | chadbryant | keyboard/mouse set, etc. |
| 04:27.09 | levi_home | Have you seen any specs on the screen? |
| 04:27.30 | fozzmoo | he Eee PC-701's 7-inch screen is 800x480 pixels |
| 04:27.56 | fozzmoo | By comparison: MIT’s OLPC, has a 7.5 inch screen with 1200×900 |
| 04:28.25 | levi_home | Is that in hi-res or low-res color mode? |
| 04:29.27 | chadbryant | the later model will have a 10" screen |
| 04:29.43 | levi_home | My Picturebook has an 8.9" 1024x480 screen. |
| 04:30.12 | levi_home | It also has 3 mouse buttons and a nib mouse instead of a track pad. |
| 04:31.11 | levi_home | But anyway, it's a comparable machine for about 1/10th what I paid for it quite a few years ago. |
| 04:32.51 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 04:33.00 | fozzmoo | I always wanted a picturebook. |
| 04:33.11 | levi_home | I picked up a refurbished one. |
| 04:33.29 | fozzmoo | I think the ideal mobile computer needs to have a hi-res heads-up display. |
| 04:33.51 | fozzmoo | It'd basically be a hardback-shaped keyboard and a heads-up display. |
| 04:34.02 | levi_home | The later picturebooks had a higher-res display. |
| 04:34.10 | levi_home | They were pretty slick. |
| 04:34.43 | fozzmoo | I guess a heads-up display isn't what I meant. A wearable LCD screen. |
| 04:35.54 | levi_home | Like one of those things that projects an image onto the inside of your glasses? |
| 04:36.33 | fozzmoo | Or beams a laser onto your retina. :) |
| 04:36.50 | fozzmoo | But, yeah. some kind of head-mounted display. |
| 04:37.15 | fozzmoo | It's still a decade or so away. |
| 04:37.44 | fozzmoo | But when it comes, I'm on it! |
| 04:38.23 | levi_home | Well, they've had display systems like that for years now, they just weren't hi-res. |
| 04:39.17 | sontek | HP also has a OLPC competitor coming out |
| 04:39.30 | fozzmoo | Right. You can get 320x240 displays now. |
| 04:39.34 | fozzmoo | THey're pretty affordable. |
| 04:39.39 | levi_home | MIT had a wearable computing page that listed all sorts of interesting gadgets for wearable computing. |
| 04:39.42 | fozzmoo | You can get 800x600 if you're willing to shell out a grand or so. |
| 04:39.51 | levi_home | Hmm, I guess they still do. |
| 04:40.08 | fozzmoo | But, if you want XGA or better... get a time machine. :) |
| 04:41.11 | levi_home | Well, I'm going to go read some Harry Potter now. |
| 04:41.29 | fozzmoo | Enjoy. |
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| 04:50.38 | elg | levi_home: don't worry, crookshanks doesn't die |
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| 14:36.48 | Shadowwire | Hey, its a beautiful tuesday morning! |
| 14:38.40 | Shadowwire | is it realy SysAdmin Day? |
| 14:40.12 | fozzmoo | Weasel Stomping Day. |
| 14:41.45 | Shadowwire | I guess I was being patriotic when I accidentaly stepped on that weasel this morning. |
| 14:44.40 | maquis | i thought sysadmin day was last friday |
| 14:44.47 | maquis | it's supposed to be the last friday of july, right? |
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| 14:52.19 | sontek | yeah, it was on the 27th |
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| 15:04.39 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: good morning... |
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| 15:17.32 | bonez39 | shhhhh |
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| 15:20.52 | Shadowwire | Blah |
| 15:21.00 | bonez39 | hi Shadowwire |
| 15:21.13 | Shadowwire | hi bonez |
| 15:23.00 | ^Migs^ | want to hear something stupid? |
| 15:23.18 | bonez39 | sure, ^Migs^ go for it |
| 15:24.20 | ^Migs^ | my wife's cousin (the one whose kid we babysit) and her boyfriend just sold their condo because they're looking to buy another house. Problem is they didn't even finish getting preapproved for a loan before putting their condo on the market. So now they're homeless and living in a bar (again, incidentally, since they were practically doing that when their first kid was an infant), and they want to get a loan for $189k or something. With their income, and be |
| 15:24.21 | ^Migs^ | cause they don't pay taxes, and especially since my wife's cousin was furloughed, I can guarantee they're NOT going to get it. And she's also pregnant and due in October. |
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| 15:25.03 | bonez39 | ah.....the foibles of youth.... |
| 15:25.10 | ^Migs^ | This would be HILARIOUS if kids weren't involved. But now they'll probably have to move back into an apartment or something, and it's unlikely they'll be able to get a condo or a house anytime soon. I don't even know how they managed to get a mortgage the first time |
| 15:25.20 | ^Migs^ | this isn't a "mere" foible. This is out and out stupidity. |
| 15:25.29 | ^Migs^ | at the very least, it's a very odd risk to take |
| 15:25.58 | bonez39 | well, I was trying to be diplomatic |
| 15:25.59 | Shadowwire | not too bright. |
| 15:26.20 | ^Migs^ | why would you intentionally cause yourself to be homeless when you have a new baby on the way? |
| 15:28.28 | bonez39 | like you say...STU PID DITTY |
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| 15:29.23 | Shadowwire | Sounds like they simply "assumed" that they could easily get into a new place. |
| 15:31.48 | Shadowwire | dont ask me why assumed is in quotes. |
| 15:33.44 | ^Migs^ | these people are pretty white trash. I'm not surprised they would do this. |
| 15:33.54 | ^Migs^ | but this kind of takes them to a new low imo |
| 15:40.31 | bonez39 | sounds pretty trashy and low...indeed |
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| 15:47.41 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:48.20 | fozzmoo | levi: How was Harry Potter? |
| 15:48.28 | levi | fozzmoo: He kept me up very late. |
| 15:48.43 | fozzmoo | That boy! |
| 15:48.50 | levi | And then my daughter, who got a crapload of shots yesterday, woke up. :P |
| 15:49.10 | levi | Fortunately she went back to sleep fairly quickly after some Tylenol. |
| 15:50.06 | ^Migs^ | and then yesterday the fat 8 year-old girl from across the street was telling us about how her mom takes her to the mall everyday. Then she brings up some stuff her mom bought her from Victoria's Secret. |
| 15:50.46 | ^Migs^ | real classy there |
| 15:50.48 | bonez39 | levi how old is your daughter? |
| 15:51.13 | levi | She's 15 months. |
| 15:51.23 | bonez39 | 8 years old? fat? and her mommy dresses her up in stuff from Vicky's? |
| 15:51.43 | bonez39 | yuck....hate to even consider imaging that neighbor girl.. |
| 15:51.46 | ^Migs^ | this 8 year old girl wears pajamas outside all day every day. That and/or her mother's shirts |
| 15:52.01 | ^Migs^ | nobody in our cul-de-sac can stand this family |
| 15:52.53 | ^Migs^ | but they REALLY aren't getting the hint. Their two kids are a nuisance. They're always going into people's houses without asking, and when they've been explicitly forbidden from going into anyone's house |
| 15:53.21 | ^Migs^ | stealing snacks, etc. The fat girl has already broken several of my kids' toys. |
| 15:53.21 | levi | I just moved into a new neighborhood, and I've already had 3 neighbors come by to visit. Two of them brought goodies. |
| 15:53.39 | ^Migs^ | that sounds like a good neighborhood. That's how my neighborhood used to be until this white trash family moved in |
| 15:53.48 | levi | Our neighbors across the street are a nice middle-aged Scottish couple. |
| 15:53.53 | bonez39 | ^Migs^: you need to set out some attractive toys.which are really booby traps....harmless but offensive stuff..and maybe that will cure the girl... |
| 15:53.59 | Shadowwire | Symantec sucks. |
| 15:54.01 | ^Migs^ | that's the problem with low mortgage rates. You get trailer park people thinking they can move up and mix in with normal people like us |
| 15:54.10 | Shadowwire | ~lart symantec |
| 15:54.10 | ibot | whacks symantec upside the head |
| 15:54.15 | ^Migs^ | that's an excellent idea, bonez39 |
| 15:54.22 | levi | Well, there's a family next to them that seems to have some tendencies that way, but I'll reserve judgement for a while. |
| 15:54.24 | ^Migs^ | like flaming Care Bears |
| 15:54.47 | bonez39 | how about a really cool looking toy, in which you rig up some sort of spray....with really nasty smelling stuff..or a dye pak like they put in the money bag..when the banditos hit the local bank...it would color the girl....and she wouldn't ever come back |
| 15:55.08 | ^Migs^ | that's a good idea |
| 15:56.01 | bonez39 | yeah, contact the local police, and ask about a dye pack, or google that..and perhaps you can order it that way...then that girl'll open a toy and she'll be marked for several weeks... |
| 15:57.38 | ^Migs^ | I don't want any other kids accidentally opening it, though |
| 15:58.10 | ^Migs^ | my neighbor says he has a LEGAL way to get rid of these people, but his wife hasn't let him tell anyone about it yet |
| 15:58.12 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 16:00.35 | macnewbold | I know a guy who has called the health department on his neighbors before |
| 16:01.18 | unum | or call dcfs and tell them the kids aren't being properly dressed |
| 16:07.57 | ^Migs^ | is it dcfs or dcs? |
| 16:08.13 | ^Migs^ | these kids swim in jeans and shirts |
| 16:08.23 | ^Migs^ | because their parents won't let them wear swimsuits |
| 16:08.45 | ^Migs^ | they also won't buy them bicycles because they're "dangerous", but they're perfectly content to let them use everyone else's bikes |
| 16:09.39 | ^Migs^ | http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22161931-663,00.html |
| 16:09.47 | ^Migs^ | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1872600/posts |
| 16:19.13 | elg | how much do you want to bet she was getting free dental work at the time? |
| 16:19.20 | elg | paying only for the equipment |
| 16:19.29 | levi | How ridiculous. |
| 16:20.17 | elg | a mistake on the part of the dentist and other people, especially letting the pictures circulate, but come on. 250,000 dollars worth? I volunteer to get made fun of by my coworkers for 250k |
| 16:20.30 | levi | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 16:21.54 | elg | in fact, I've been made fun of a few times when I was a kid. maybe I can rake in a million or so |
| 16:23.02 | elg | i don't care if you can't take a joke - 250k is no small sum even to a dentist. he didn't ruin your life, but you may well have ruined his (if he hadn't won the suit against the insurance company) |
| 16:24.18 | atoponce | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_In_The_United_States |
| 16:25.33 | levi | Messing around with someone under general anaesthesia is pretty stupid, though. |
| 16:29.54 | elg | ya. i don't blame her for quitting, being mad, maybe even drugging his dog |
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| 16:36.24 | elg | get back to work, slacker! |
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| 16:39.01 | levi | I am at work; my daughter just shut off the computer and I had my wife turn it back on. |
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| 17:00.18 | elg | likely story |
| 17:05.42 | ^Migs^ | the ridiculous thing is that the dentist ended up suing his insurance company, AND won |
| 17:06.02 | sjansen | Wow, looks like the GL microchip is working better than usual in redbeard2 |
| 17:06.29 | redbeard2 | sjansen: how so? |
| 17:06.42 | sjansen | Your blog post. |
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| 17:13.32 | ^Migs^ | Zimbabwe is to start circulating a new 200,000 Zimbabwe dollar note, in a bid to tackle the country's inflation, the highest in the world. |
| 17:13.35 | ^Migs^ | The new note, issued by the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe from Wednesday, can buy 1kg (2.2lb) of sugar. |
| 17:13.38 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 17:20.54 | sjansen | Jayce^: Actually, by the time I was there inflation was conquered. |
| 17:21.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yeah, I was there during the best of times, it was never more than $.05 out of the dollar |
| 17:22.03 | Jayce^ | but I'm sure you also remember all the coins on the ground |
| 17:22.55 | Jayce^ | coin A from 1993 worth $1 cruzeiro, size of a silver dollar, another from a year later, size of a dime, worth $100,000 cruzeiros |
| 17:25.21 | sjansen | Man, there must've been some strange people in Minas. I don't see a Paulist just throwing coins on the ground because they're useless. |
| 17:25.40 | sjansen | Most didn't have any coins, they'd turned them in for Reais. |
| 17:33.18 | levi | elg: Looks like the audio to that presentation has gone down the tubes, so to speak. But the slides are still informative, if not quite as entertaining. |
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| 18:05.07 | elg | * jsmith is now known as jsmith-choking |
| 18:05.22 | elg | * jsmith is now known as jsmith-heimlich |
| 18:05.28 | elg | * jsmith is now known as jsmith-coughing |
| 18:05.33 | elg | * jsmith is now known as jsmith-lucky |
| 18:12.51 | ^Migs^ | I swear, WordPress has to be the nicest "Web 2.0" app |
| 18:13.12 | ^Migs^ | it's about the most ridiculously easy thing to set up and configure |
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| 19:03.43 | beandog | pretty much |
| 19:04.08 | beandog | ls |
| 19:14.41 | elg | does NiN have any good stuff? |
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| 19:21.47 | sjansen | I'm just waiting for someone to write a WordPress worm to bomb the Internet back to Web 1.0 |
| 19:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:26.06 | beandog | ooh, new pidgin release |
| 19:26.13 | beandog | lets see what crazy UI changes they made this time! |
| 19:26.25 | beandog | after all, heaven forbid your experience stay the same between releases. |
| 19:26.59 | rsimpkins | bonez39: ping |
| 19:27.09 | bonez39 | beandog: do you run pidgin or gaim? I run game here..., but pidging at home....I am confused |
| 19:27.21 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: I am here, dude |
| 19:27.38 | sjansen | Someone should fork pigeon just to stabilize the UI. As a bonus, they could also pick a less annoying name. |
| 19:27.55 | beandog | sjansen: amen, brother |
| 19:27.56 | elg | ~spork pidgin |
| 19:27.57 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab pidgin with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out pidgin's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 19:27.57 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Where were you to? |
| 19:28.11 | beandog | It'd be nice if they had just a bugfixing, stable branch |
| 19:28.26 | sjansen | beandog: We're related? |
| 19:28.47 | sjansen | beandog: Didn't I lend you $25 during a family reunion a few years ago? |
| 19:28.49 | bonez39 | hmmm I know I had sent you a few posts of my /etc/resolv.conf and such..I was able to restart bind9 after a while without error.... |
| 19:29.10 | rsimpkins | bonez39: So it's all good now? |
| 19:29.11 | sjansen | With interest, that means you now owe me... $3267.43 |
| 19:29.37 | beandog | heh |
| 19:29.56 | beandog | most people want to disclaim any relationship to me |
| 19:30.31 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: well, not necessarily...the issue is DNS setup... I believe DNS is set up, or almost ...on my primary machine..the trick now is to get the /etc/resolv.conf on the secondary machine, where zimbra lives.....to point to the primary...so that the email can get where it needs to go |
| 19:30.57 | rsimpkins | bonez39: That should be simple - just edit the resolv.conf - right? |
| 19:31.01 | beandog | * The formatting toolbar has been reorganized to be more concise. |
| 19:31.11 | beandog | I guess they couldnt resist |
| 19:32.15 | rsimpkins | Why are there so many mean geeks? |
| 19:32.51 | beandog | because we're all right, meaning everyone else is wrong |
| 19:33.35 | sjansen | ~flush rsimpkins |
| 19:33.36 | ibot | ACTION flushes rsimpkins like rsimpkins was yesterday's lunch |
| 19:33.54 | sjansen | ewwwwwwwwwwwww! :-( |
| 19:34.10 | rsimpkins | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:34.10 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of sjansen |
| 19:34.18 | rsimpkins | Ooo. Look at the donkey! |
| 19:34.33 | sjansen | Yay! I'm so colorful and cuddly. :-) |
| 19:35.10 | sjansen | Why is this a pin I see before me? |
| 19:35.56 | sjansen | (Stuart Jansen playing Robin Williams playing John Wayne playing Caesar as a baloon animal.) |
| 19:36.26 | sjansen | (For those that found the reference too obscure to understand.) |
| 19:37.03 | beandog | lol |
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| 19:51.00 | levi | elg: By NiN, you mean Nine Inch Nails? |
| 20:10.52 | elg | ya |
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| 20:36.30 | levi | elg: I liked some of NiN's early stuff. I find it difficult to imagine you listening to them, though. |
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| 21:00.41 | sjansen | ~jphallsnack |
| 21:00.42 | ibot | ACTION hands redbeard2 a fresh clice of cheese cake |
| 21:01.03 | klys | ~jphallsnack |
| 21:01.03 | ibot | ACTION hands redbeard2 a fresh clice of cheese cake |
| 21:01.15 | klys | two for the price of one! |
| 21:01.52 | RyanE | yeah, you have to double-clice the cheese cake |
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| 21:04.27 | sjansen | harumph |
| 21:04.42 | sjansen | ~jphallsnack |
| 21:04.43 | ibot | ACTION hands redbeard2 a fresh clice of cheese cake |
| 21:04.48 | sjansen | What the? |
| 21:05.11 | sjansen | ~jphallsnack |
| 21:05.11 | ibot | ACTION hands redbeard2 a fresh slice of cheese cake |
| 21:05.21 | sjansen | So there! |
| 21:05.30 | RyanE | nice slice! |
| 21:05.53 | RyanE | and is cheese cake a cake made of cheese, or do you mean cheesecake? It's so hard to find good help these days. |
| 21:06.05 | RyanE | with Joseph, it could really go either way. |
| 21:06.53 | sjansen | ~RyanEsnack |
| 21:06.54 | ibot | Bad RyanE, no biscuit. |
| 21:07.01 | RyanE | heh. |
| 21:07.02 | sjansen | ~jphallsnack |
| 21:07.03 | ibot | ACTION hands redbeard2 a fresh slice of cheesecake |
| 21:07.55 | redbeard2 | sjansen: i prefer cannolis these days. they amuse me more. |
| 21:08.05 | redbeard2 | "leave the gun. take the cannolis." |
| 21:08.19 | sjansen | Fine then. |
| 21:08.20 | sjansen | ~forget jphallsnack |
| 21:08.20 | ibot | i forgot jphallsnack, sjansen |
| 21:08.25 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/64419/3?slideshow=0 |
| 21:08.40 | RyanE | yeah, just because saying 'holy cannoli, Batman!' is a lot more fun than 'holy cheesecake, Batman!' |
| 21:15.18 | fozzmoo | Holy Biscotti! |
| 21:17.03 | levi | Yay, the parts for my MythTV box have arrived! |
| 21:17.55 | RyanE | levi: HD or SD? |
| 21:18.01 | levi | RyanE: HD |
| 21:18.08 | RyanE | woo! |
| 21:18.22 | levi | Any DIY-minded people who want a new paint job for their car should look at this: http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2331682&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 |
| 21:18.38 | levi | (cheap DIY-minded people, I should say) |
| 21:20.27 | elg | but not cheap enough to not want to paint their car |
| 21:20.52 | levi | RyanE: The stuff that arrived today unfortunately does not include the HDHomeRun box, so I won't actually have it working for several days, at least. |
| 21:21.25 | RyanE | I've actually read that 'roll your car' thread a while back. Interesting. |
| 21:21.37 | levi | elg: Well, yeah, you'd have to actually have a pretty strong desire to have a nice-looking car. |
| 21:22.20 | levi | RyanE: I found it through a miata.net forum post in which a few people tried it with success. |
| 21:23.03 | RyanE | cool stuff, but my '90 nissan 2WD pickup would be a waste of paint, even at only $50. :) |
| 21:25.24 | nick125 | I saw a person who had painted their van with white house paint |
| 21:25.35 | RyanE | latex house paint? |
| 21:25.48 | RyanE | I could imagine that stripping off at freeway speeds... :) |
| 21:26.11 | nick125 | side windows, door handles, everything. |
| 21:26.39 | nick125 | I don't think that van could get up to freeway speeds. |
| 21:26.41 | RyanE | nice. On the bright side, if you decided you didn't like it, you could probably peel it off. |
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| 21:40.33 | Shadowwire | just like on the jackal. |
| 21:40.53 | Shadowwire | when he washed a layer of paint off a van. |
| 21:42.26 | RyanE | I like reading those sorts of DIY threads a lot more than actually doing them... |
| 21:43.14 | levi | Drat, the AC line blew off the condenser in my van again. :/ |
| 21:44.31 | levi | Gotta buy another can of r134a and really crank down on the hose clamps this time. |
| 21:54.02 | Shadowwire | so, you do a lot of Condenser work? |
| 21:57.23 | Supaplex | he does now ;) |
| 21:59.20 | bonez39 | levi you know about the hogwash with that freeon....don't you? freeon sinks..it's heavier than air...and it's sold openly and used everywhere else in the world except in the US... |
| 21:59.58 | levi | bonez39: Um, so? My system is made to work with r134a, and it's cheap and available. |
| 22:01.20 | elg | bonez39: it sinks, so it displaces the ozone layer at our feet? |
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| 22:15.14 | bonez39 | levi certainly, it's newer..the r12 stuff is the older stuff for pre 1980 vehicles...not sure of the date... |
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| 22:15.37 | levi | R12 was used into the early 90s. |
| 22:15.52 | levi | R12 = Freon |
| 22:16.29 | bonez39 | elg: that's the rub...it sinks..it's heavier than air..the alleged 'fact' that it eats the ozone layer is a pile of BS pushed on congress who then passed a law which then assured continued profits for DuPont..or whomever it is who makes this stuff...their patent ran out on the r12..so they cooked up the current stuff.. |
| 22:17.12 | rsimpkins | "Your only concern is to prepare the new droids for tomorrow. In the morning I want them on the south ridge working out those condensers." |
| 22:17.28 | bonez39 | Freon, yes....it's safe..they sell it and use it all around the world, just not in the US market..where the manufacturer would have lost out to the generic makers of the same r12 stuff...freon sinks...and thus can't possibly hurt the ozone layer..which I think also is a crock of the same BS...it's all about money... |
| 22:17.42 | rsimpkins | levi: Sounds like you need to invest in an R2, not in an R134a. :) |
| 22:17.50 | rsimpkins | Or in an R12. |
| 22:18.32 | bonez39 | no payoff though for domestic r12 market..they probably even manufacture it here...but it's way expensive stuff..... |
| 22:19.23 | levi | My AC isn't made for R12. The oils that you use to lubricate an R134a system and an R12 system are incompatible. This rant is irrelevant. |
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| 22:24.46 | bonez39 | levi well the rant is irrelevant to your specific situation, but highly relevant if one hates such monopolistic control of a market...as the manufacturer of R12 launched by forcing its outlaw in the US.. |
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| 23:04.08 | calvarez | hello! |
| 23:04.17 | calvarez | announcement: I decided to switch to Macs |
| 23:04.49 | calvarez | and, as a matter of fact, my new MacBook Pro shipped today, it should arrive sometime at the end of the week |
| 23:04.52 | calvarez | :) |
| 23:05.10 | calvarez | has anyone here played with Fink? |
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| 23:12.32 | vontrapp | fink sucks |
| 23:12.40 | vontrapp | ok, maybe that's a little harsh |
| 23:12.49 | vontrapp | esp since it's been 3 years since i used it |
| 23:13.19 | vontrapp | but seriously, if i'm going to run open source, i'm going linux all the way, these finks and darwin ports and such always just feel sooo second class to me |
| 23:14.24 | calvarez | why should they? |
| 23:14.39 | calvarez | I mean, it's running it off the same libraries |
| 23:14.41 | vontrapp | cause the packages are always an eon behind |
| 23:14.51 | vontrapp | they're a pain to use |
| 23:14.54 | calvarez | so is Debian :grin: |
| 23:15.01 | calvarez | :D |
| 23:15.11 | vontrapp | :p |
| 23:15.17 | vontrapp | ~lart calvarez |
| 23:15.17 | ibot | pries calvarez's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to calvarez |
| 23:15.23 | vontrapp | ~miss brac |
| 23:15.23 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of brac. |
| 23:15.42 | vontrapp | ibot: that's not what i meant |
| 23:15.59 | Shadowwire | you talk to ibot much? |
| 23:16.03 | calvarez | lol |
| 23:16.14 | vontrapp | debian may have old packages, but at least it's a joy to use |
| 23:16.36 | calvarez | well, according to your previous argument, Debian is sooo second class |
| 23:16.37 | Shadowwire | ~miss Klys |
| 23:16.37 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of Klys. |
| 23:16.50 | Shadowwire | ~hit slef |
| 23:16.51 | ibot | ACTION slaps slef. |
| 23:16.55 | klys | hehe |
| 23:16.57 | calvarez | pwnz0rz |
| 23:17.11 | vontrapp | nah, the second class feeling comes from more of the hackish nature of the mac porting things |
| 23:17.18 | vontrapp | and the fact that they're ported |
| 23:17.29 | Shadowwire | klys: Sup yo? |
| 23:17.32 | calvarez | hmm, I don't know how much of a "port" it is |
| 23:17.50 | vontrapp | so it feels like, oh, someone has pity on me, so they ported a few apps for my sake |
| 23:17.50 | calvarez | it's just the same stuff recompiled for MacOSX |
| 23:17.54 | klys | well, there's football on tv, and I'm in the kitchen, so I might eat something big |
| 23:18.19 | Shadowwire | klys: like a horse? |
| 23:18.31 | klys | yo still at work? yeah I want a curry |
| 23:18.35 | calvarez | it's like saying that you're "porting" yast to work on distros other than SUSE |
| 23:19.03 | Shadowwire | Yea, still at work. Curry sounds good about now. MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... |
| 23:19.05 | vontrapp | well, watching my bro's blog about how he always wrestles with getting things (flightgear and such) to run on his mac where they just work on linux |
| 23:19.07 | calvarez | to me a port means "I have a DirectX game, I'm going to rewrite some of it so it does rendering in OpenGL and works under Linux" |
| 23:19.44 | klys | how's vmware and/or your fileutils installation treating you |
| 23:19.53 | calvarez | klys, touche |
| 23:19.56 | Shadowwire | Linux doesnt have something that will run direct-x? |
| 23:20.20 | klys | no, it's opengl |
| 23:20.46 | vontrapp | someone should just write a wrapper, that takes direct-x calls, and does opengl |
| 23:20.54 | klys | it has hardware acceleration with the appropriate drm kernel module / Xorg DRI support for it |
| 23:20.59 | Shadowwire | So do you always have to "tweek" games? |
| 23:21.06 | calvarez | well, that's what wine is trying to do, just not that easy |
| 23:21.12 | klys | here, see irrlight. it lets you choose |
| 23:21.24 | klys | s/irrlight/irrlicht/ |
| 23:21.24 | Shadowwire | Most games have open GL support dont they? |
| 23:21.35 | calvarez | klys, I use OGRE 3D, which is like lightyears ahead of Irrlicht |
| 23:21.38 | calvarez | I've used both |
| 23:21.42 | vontrapp | i don't know about most, but several do |
| 23:21.46 | klys | well, I've noticed that opengl is often too dark to work with |
| 23:22.10 | calvarez | most new games don't have OpenGL support, but the ones that are about to be release are more likely, with DX10 kind of failing now |
| 23:22.20 | calvarez | OpenGL 3.0 will own DX10 |
| 23:22.25 | calvarez | well, D3D10, sorry |
| 23:22.34 | vontrapp | DX is the suxxx |
| 23:22.40 | calvarez | it's not bad |
| 23:22.46 | calvarez | but OpenGL is just nicer to use |
| 23:22.56 | calvarez | after the 2.x overhaul of OpenGL it will rock |
| 23:23.08 | calvarez | they're going to redesign OpenGL pretty much from scratch |
| 23:23.17 | Shadowwire | Well i have n8 series cards on both my home and work computers, so most anything will work. |
| 23:23.20 | calvarez | a much more OOP-lesque approach |
| 23:23.26 | vontrapp | if not for DX, we probably would already have tons of games written cross-platform |
| 23:23.38 | vontrapp | of course, that was probably microsofts idea all along |
| 23:23.39 | calvarez | Shadowwire, cool. My MBP will have GeForce 8600m |
| 23:23.42 | vontrapp | to pwn the games |
| 23:23.49 | calvarez | vontrapp, true |
| 23:24.15 | Shadowwire | The 8 series just blows the rest away. |
| 23:24.24 | Shadowwire | ~lart the rest. |
| 23:24.24 | ibot | decapitates the rest. conan the destroyer style |
| 23:24.35 | calvarez | well, 8800 do. 8600 aren't as good |
| 23:24.45 | Shadowwire | as what? |
| 23:24.45 | vontrapp | anyone going to the uug meeting tonight? |
| 23:24.55 | Shadowwire | uug? |
| 23:24.58 | calvarez | although, Windows drivers for GeForce 8 suck BAD. |
| 23:25.13 | Shadowwire | vista drivers are good for them. |
| 23:25.19 | calvarez | uug -> BYU UUG? |
| 23:25.25 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 23:25.43 | Shadowwire | byu uug? what is uug? |
| 23:25.49 | vontrapp | unix user group |
| 23:25.50 | calvarez | Unix Users Group |
| 23:25.51 | klys | unix users' |
| 23:26.03 | Shadowwire | oh. I feel dumb |
| 23:26.10 | klys | anyway, if you want a nice talk about opengl, /join #irrlicht |
| 23:26.19 | calvarez | so, if it is UUG, I assume MacOSX is included too? :) |
| 23:26.20 | Shadowwire | ~lart /me |
| 23:26.20 | ibot | holds /me to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 23:26.31 | calvarez | klys, I'd recommend ##OpenGL over #irrlicht |
| 23:26.34 | vontrapp | i was going to go, till i remembered i have soccer at 8:15 |
| 23:26.44 | calvarez | klys, ##OpenGL = hardcore OGL guys |
| 23:27.09 | klys | I mean for beginning/simple programming purposes |
| 23:27.16 | vontrapp | calvarez: yeah, you're welcome to come i guess |
| 23:27.23 | vontrapp | i'll put aside my bigotry |
| 23:27.25 | calvarez | vontrapp, hehe, I don't live in Provo anymore |
| 23:27.36 | calvarez | vontrapp, I live far, far away now |
| 23:27.45 | vontrapp | good ridens |
| 23:27.54 | vontrapp | ~spell riddens |
| 23:28.01 | calvarez | ~lart vontrapp and his silly prejudice |
| 23:28.01 | ibot | whips vontrapp and his silly prejudice with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 23:28.13 | calvarez | riddance |
| 23:28.21 | vontrapp | yeah, that |
| 23:28.28 | klys | shadowire: what's new with the art? |
| 23:28.38 | calvarez | hmm, soccer |
| 23:28.44 | calvarez | I should go play some soccer tonight too |
| 23:28.46 | vontrapp | in the rain, even |
| 23:28.52 | vontrapp | i just hope enough people show to have a game |
| 23:29.12 | vontrapp | i don't think our team has many pansies, anyway |
| 23:29.14 | klys | shadowwire: any nice jets or guns? |
| 23:29.20 | Shadowwire | Oh ya know. I did a duplicate of the mona lisa the other day. then I painted the sistine chapel just for fun. |
| 23:29.39 | vontrapp | they let you paint the sistine chapel? |
| 23:29.45 | vontrapp | or did you sneak in? |
| 23:30.04 | vontrapp | like you could be better than micheal |
| 23:30.05 | Shadowwire | um. I had to sneak in, dont tell anyone/ |
| 23:30.30 | Shadowwire | I decided to go with a new approach. finger painting. |
| 23:30.38 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 23:30.53 | Shadowwire | I just painted one finger. |
| 23:30.54 | vontrapp | instead of painting fingers, you just paint with fingers, brillian |
| 23:30.55 | vontrapp | t |
| 23:31.29 | vontrapp | did you fry your tv remote? |
| 23:31.46 | klys | no, I found it. it's my flat plastic thingy |
| 23:31.47 | Shadowwire | Wow, Where did you get that awsome peice of magnificent black plastic? |
| 23:31.55 | klys | in the gutter~ |
| 23:31.59 | Shadowwire | and a thingy to boot! |
| 23:32.10 | klys | ;) |
| 23:32.12 | vontrapp | is it really black? |
| 23:32.33 | klys | not as black as my pants |
| 23:32.59 | klys | a black as my cd case |
| 23:33.04 | klys | shh |
| 23:33.27 | vontrapp | ssh |
| 23:33.46 | klys | scp |
| 23:34.28 | Shadowwire | sap? |
| 23:34.41 | klys | command not found |
| 23:35.22 | Shadowwire | not found not found. |
| 23:35.25 | klys | I have a lucky flyer |
| 23:35.38 | klys | there's a comedy show or something |
| 23:35.51 | calvarez | klys, it's a monolyth |
| 23:35.57 | klys | but I still don't know which room to go to in the talmadge building |
| 23:36.17 | calvarez | don't be surprised if it starts sending messages to Jupiter after sunlight touches it |
| 23:36.18 | Shadowwire | that peice of black plastic is actualy a monolith? |
| 23:36.26 | klys | woot |
| 23:36.47 | Shadowwire | woot? what is this woot you speak of. |
| 23:36.59 | vontrapp | comedy in the talmage? |
| 23:37.06 | klys | I'm just cheering for my new monolithic flippy thing |
| 23:37.08 | vontrapp | there's dilbert cartoons on lots of office doors |
| 23:37.11 | Shadowwire | Ha ha ha... |
| 23:37.25 | Shadowwire | Dilbert is great. |
| 23:38.31 | klys | I'd bring my tablet |
| 23:39.39 | klys | shadowwire: how'd the big fight turn out? |
| 23:41.02 | klys | did carl win? |
| 23:44.06 | Shadowwire | Big... Fight.. ? |
| 23:44.16 | klys | on friday night |
| 23:44.34 | Shadowwire | Fight? |
| 23:44.37 | klys | when I called you |
| 23:44.46 | klys | man... |
| 23:44.51 | Shadowwire | Oh... Yea it was good |
| 23:45.05 | Shadowwire | They won. |
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| 23:45.39 | Shadowwire | and gained some salvage in the process |
| 23:46.44 | klys | what gnarly object fell ruin in this campaign? |
| 23:47.32 | Shadowwire | Just a couple of armored freighters, and very tiny bits of an Agrapa class corvette. |
| 23:48.56 | klys | are you doing the next one at the same place, your house, or somewhere completely diferent? |
| 23:50.03 | Shadowwire | It will probably be thursday this week if it hapens at all. I have to do stuff friday night. I dont know where. |
| 23:50.10 | Shadowwire | probably my house. |
| 23:50.32 | klys | so, what's up at work tonite? |
| 23:50.32 | vontrapp | whoah, nobody told me google earth had a linux version |
| 23:50.32 | Shadowwire | however, since i started on my new addition, i dont have internet. |
| 23:50.41 | Shadowwire | thats cool. |
| 23:50.52 | vontrapp | and it's in apt! |
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| 23:51.03 | Shadowwire | apt. Yay! |
| 23:51.15 | klys | fedora lusers won't notice this |
| 23:51.29 | Shadowwire | dang. |
| 23:51.41 | Shadowwire | ~lart something |
| 23:51.41 | ibot | whips something with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 23:52.26 | klys | so, how many rooms in the addition? |
| 23:53.30 | Shadowwire | a 30 x 25 great room, two bathrooms, a 15x12 bedroom and a 30 x 15 bedroom. |
| 23:53.40 | Shadowwire | 1800 sq ft |
| 23:53.54 | klys | you'll have an extra bedroom |
| 23:53.58 | Shadowwire | my existing house is 1500 |
| 23:54.30 | Shadowwire | we'll move Kaiya into our old bedroom and have a baby room |
| 23:54.38 | klys | are you going to put anything cool in there (big table? keyboard and amp?) |
| 23:55.01 | Shadowwire | just a 62" widescreen LCD |
| 23:55.30 | Shadowwire | and lots of network ports for lan parties. |
| 23:55.30 | klys | would be sweet to hook a computer up to it and do splitscreen video in HD |
| 23:55.54 | Shadowwire | i'll probably try that. |
| 23:56.17 | klys | best cards for video are Matrox |
| 23:56.29 | Shadowwire | Im an nvidia fan |
| 23:56.36 | klys | mplayer works, there are extra windows codecs, more |
| 23:56.47 | beandog | is true. |
| 23:57.04 | klys | there are specialty video programs made for the matrox. the framebuffer works awesomely |
| 23:57.04 | Shadowwire | beandog: what are you noding for? |
| 23:57.10 | klys | and it has non-DVI tv-out |
| 23:57.12 | beandog | Matrox or Intel would be the best video cards for the open source enthusiast. |
| 23:57.20 | Shadowwire | I see. |
| 23:58.05 | klys | got mine for $35 total |
| 23:58.09 | Shadowwire | I realy dislike Vista. |
| 23:58.11 | klys | it's out of date though |
| 23:58.42 | Shadowwire | My geforce 8800 gs was only $190 |
| 23:58.53 | beandog | klys: which, the matrox? which card |
| 23:58.58 | beandog | I should really get one. |
| 23:59.52 | klys | I hear matrox released a card more recently, after holding off for awhile. it handles long video cables to many screens |