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| 06:59.06 | findlay | ubuntu: how I love thee |
| 06:59.48 | findlay | linux is like a friendly face after so many, ubiquitous windows b0xen |
| 07:16.36 | Supaplex | ~sleep yesterday |
| 07:16.37 | ibot | ACTION sends yesterday to bed without supper |
| 07:38.57 | findlay | ~Supaplex yesterday |
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| 14:32.03 | Shadowwire | Yay, its monday! |
| 14:32.20 | elg | ~lart Shadowwire |
| 14:32.20 | ibot | urinates on Shadowwire |
| 14:33.04 | Shadowwire | Hey. It was a joke. And what is ~lart? |
| 14:33.29 | elg | ~dict lart |
| 14:36.05 | ^Migs^ | ~dict migs |
| 14:37.34 | elg | migs is russian jets |
| 14:38.45 | Shadowwire | Mikoyan Gurevich. solviet desighn beareu. |
| 14:39.16 | ^Migs^ | I saw the Simpsons movie last Friday |
| 14:39.28 | ^Migs^ | it was good |
| 14:40.04 | Shadowwire | migs: was it better than just watching 4 new episodes in a row? |
| 14:40.29 | ^Migs^ | Yes, it was |
| 14:41.27 | ^Migs^ | they took some creative liberties with the cinema medium, too, more than they could get away with on network TV |
| 14:42.02 | elg | like |
| 14:42.23 | Shadowwire | Explain |
| 14:42.40 | ^Migs^ | you would really have to see it, now that I've piqued your curiosity |
| 14:42.54 | elg | perhaps he means they got more interesting angles, like looking at homer's bald spot from above |
| 14:43.18 | elg | and zooming in from outerspace or something |
| 14:43.29 | elg | you know, the kind of thing you can't do in a normal cartoon because of physical restraints |
| 14:43.46 | ^Migs^ | No, that's not what I meant at all. |
| 14:43.56 | elg | no? |
| 14:43.57 | elg | I think it is |
| 14:44.01 | ^Migs^ | oh it is? |
| 14:44.14 | elg | absolutely. I suppose if you told us exactly what you meant you might prove me wrong. |
| 14:44.37 | ^Migs^ | I don't want to give away anything |
| 14:44.39 | Shadowwire | I like elg's argument |
| 14:44.52 | Shadowwire | I dont mind. |
| 14:46.25 | ^Migs^ | No, I like being cryptic |
| 14:47.32 | Shadowwire | nmop, io l;iokler bnerionmgh cvrtyup[tyiocv. |
| 14:50.05 | Shadowwire | So, Nothing on simpsons? |
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| 15:00.31 | Shadowwire | was that crikets i heard? |
| 15:01.34 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 15:27.55 | Jayce^ | levi, if you follow the link I blogged, they have the Simon jone keynote online |
| 15:28.10 | levi | Oh, cool. I'll have to check that out. |
| 15:28.14 | levi | How'd you like his stuff? |
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| 15:33.13 | Jayce^ | very interesting.. I didn't go to his other class that was more haskell specific, and in depth (not a keynote).. |
| 15:33.28 | Jayce^ | but was in another class that he started talking in, very interesting.. |
| 15:33.42 | Jayce^ | went on about STM for a bit and parrot |
| 15:33.49 | levi | I've watched several videos of him. |
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| 16:09.21 | levi | elg: You done anything with Erlang recently? |
| 16:14.21 | elg | got my book in the mail, does that count? :) |
| 16:15.41 | levi | Well, not really. :) Have you read through the whole thing? |
| 16:16.34 | levi | This SPJ video from OSCON is entertaining. |
| 16:17.52 | elg | no, not fully. I skimmed the last part only so far. I've begun reading it again - I'm in the irc lite chapter |
| 16:19.10 | levi | You still recommend getting it? |
| 16:19.29 | levi | I thought it was interesting that those SlideAware people switched their backend to Erlang. |
| 16:19.42 | elg | i think it's a great book |
| 16:23.46 | Jayce^ | levi, it was |
| 16:24.09 | Jayce^ | elg, that the pragmatic one? |
| 16:24.17 | elg | ya |
| 16:25.02 | Jayce^ | planning on getting that one soon.. |
| 16:25.17 | Jayce^ | gotta finish my new 'Mastering Perl' and 'Perl Hacks' though.. |
| 16:25.29 | Jayce^ | oh, just got a copy of Beautiful Code too... too much reading to do |
| 16:26.00 | ^Migs^ | is that available in audio book form? |
| 16:27.20 | levi | elg: Do you have git-gui installed? |
| 16:27.31 | Jayce^ | levi, while you're watching, nat's "keynote" has some fun descriptions of different languages.. |
| 16:27.42 | Jayce^ | his description of python was priceless.. |
| 16:28.02 | levi | I've exhausted the time I have to watch videos. Time to get some work done. :) |
| 16:28.33 | levi | elg: I've heard that git citool is a pretty good approximation of how 'darcs record' works, which would be wonderful if it's true. |
| 16:29.01 | Jayce^ | "Python is the annoying language everybody wishes would just go to college. Then it would join a frat, get roaring drunk, and finally get laid!" |
| 16:30.35 | elg | ^Migs^: get the pdf version and run it through festival |
| 16:31.21 | elg | levi: cool, i'll have to give that a try |
| 16:40.35 | sjansen | I guess smoke detectors can get bored too. |
| 16:40.51 | sjansen | At least that's the only reason I can think of why my smoke detector decided to start toying with me a little after 1am this morning. |
| 16:41.00 | sjansen | I was almost woken up by the detector beeping for less than 2 seconds, waiting a few minutes, then beeping for less than 2 seconds. |
| 16:41.07 | RyanE | battery low |
| 16:41.09 | sjansen | At first my sleep addled brain thought it was because of the position of my pillows, so I rearranged them. |
| 16:41.17 | sjansen | Eventually the stupid thing had beeped enough time that my brain figured out the sound was coming from outside my skull. |
| 16:41.54 | sjansen | So I got up to check to see if there was any smoke or panicked people leaving the building. Nor fully awake, I then experimented with the theory that turning out my light would prevent the beeping. As I woke up more I formed the slightly more logical theory that the A/C was causing the problem. |
| 16:42.06 | sjansen | Turning down the A/C seemed to help because the time between beeps reduced. But they didn't stop. So I called the front desk and was moved to another room. |
| 16:42.16 | sjansen | Of course after that, I couldn't get back to sleep until after 3:30am. |
| 16:42.21 | sjansen | *sigh* |
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| 16:43.02 | sjansen | RyanE: Too irregular to be battery. |
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| 16:43.32 | RyanE | ours when the battery backup is low, they'll randomly 'chirp', but I wouldn't imagine hotel smokes having battery backup. |
| 16:43.49 | sjansen | I'm in Houston this week and it's incredibly humid. I've heard rumors of smoke detectors set off my shower steam, but until last night didn't believe it. |
| 16:43.55 | RyanE | I didn't realize you were in a hotel at the time. |
| 16:44.09 | sjansen | Like I said, though, turning off the A/C seemed to increase time between beeps. |
| 16:44.14 | RyanE | yeah, but if it was actually going off, you'd know it... |
| 16:49.06 | RyanE | Sleeping in hotels sucks. Always some noise, HVAC too cold or too hot, but that's worse... |
| 16:49.36 | ^Migs^ | http://imreallysad.com/81 |
| 16:51.00 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHAHA: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/oregon-trail.jpg |
| 16:51.38 | beandog | that one is great |
| 16:51.39 | beandog | :) |
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| 16:53.38 | sinuhe | sjansen: Friday was pretty bad in Houston. Derek and I nearly stayed another night. There was a tropical storm to the East and people getting flash floodded off I-10 on their way east. |
| 17:29.03 | levi | Any autotools users here? |
| 17:29.33 | beandog | you mean like autoconf, automake? |
| 17:29.42 | levi | Yes. |
| 17:30.46 | elg | user? sure. I use it all the time |
| 17:30.51 | elg | ./configure; make; make install |
| 17:31.43 | levi | I mean users as in people who write configure.in and Makefile.in files. |
| 17:33.20 | levi | I want a file to be conditionally compiled based on a flag passed to configure. |
| 17:34.17 | elg | i once read a book on it |
| 17:34.20 | elg | and almost grokked it |
| 17:34.25 | elg | then I forgot it all |
| 17:34.28 | elg | except the pain |
| 17:34.30 | elg | you never forget the pain |
| 17:34.49 | levi | Indeed. |
| 17:39.19 | maquis | .me notes that she still hasn't made it through that section |
| 17:41.07 | elg | .me looks at maquis |
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| 17:45.11 | Shadowwire | Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. |
| 17:45.52 | rsimpkins | hey all |
| 17:46.05 | rsimpkins | Anyone here know of a Linux shop in Am-Fork that does video stuff? |
| 17:46.21 | RyanE | define "linux shop" and define "video stuff". |
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| 17:46.42 | rsimpkins | RyanE: Hires linux devos. Does hi-def video content stuff. |
| 17:46.56 | rsimpkins | That's all I know. Maybe has 30-40 employees. |
| 17:47.06 | RyanE | trying to undercut a headhunter? |
| 17:47.20 | rsimpkins | RyanE: Trying to see if there have been other postings. |
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| 17:49.17 | mrpull | does anyone in utah county use comcast with cablecard? |
| 17:49.22 | mrpull | do they even offer it? |
| 17:50.05 | nick125 | mrpull: I think comcast is require to hand out cablecards, due to that FCC ruling that cable companies must allow customers to use their own boxes. |
| 17:50.21 | rsimpkins | mrpull: http://www.comcast.com/Customers/FAQ/FaqCategory.ashx?CatId=301 |
| 17:50.57 | mrpull | rsimpkins: thanks. i shoulda looked for a faq first |
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| 17:51.13 | rsimpkins | mrpull: np, seems really interesting |
| 17:51.14 | Shadowwire | anyone here have a treo 650? |
| 17:51.16 | rsimpkins | free for the first card |
| 17:51.20 | nick125 | Shadowwire: I do |
| 17:51.37 | Shadowwire | nick: what sound files are compatable? |
| 17:51.43 | hagna | how do I find out what driver in lsmod that eth0 is using? |
| 17:51.45 | mrpull | cool. they address the S3 Tivo specifically |
| 17:51.53 | nick125 | Shadowwire: In what? |
| 17:52.05 | Shadowwire | my boss just got the 680. It is pimp. |
| 17:52.28 | Shadowwire | Im not sure... |
| 17:52.42 | Shadowwire | nick: what do you mean in what? |
| 17:53.18 | mrpull | how does comcast's locals look like compared to OTA HD? |
| 17:53.21 | Shadowwire | I wnat to load a midi, however the software dosnt let me. |
| 17:53.24 | nick125 | Shadowwire: Well, are you talking about what are compatable in realplayer (the aweful included player), ringtones, etc? |
| 17:53.39 | Shadowwire | nick: yes |
| 17:54.01 | nick125 | Shadowwire: For ringtones, midi should work. |
| 17:54.29 | Shadowwire | nick: can i load them with quickinstall? |
| 17:56.08 | nick125 | Shadowwire: I haven't heard of quickinstall. |
| 17:56.41 | Shadowwire | nick: Rather, whats the best way to load files into my treo650 |
| 17:57.03 | bonez39 | I just want a dual mode, wi-fi, wireless phone, that does great calls, handles PDA functions .. and forget the tunes and screensavers..and other junk...oh, and it has to be open...configurable by ME..not by the carriers |
| 17:57.21 | nick125 | I usually use SD card, download it in blazer, or, if it's over 2MB, download it with Downloader (I think that's what it's called) |
| 17:58.02 | Shadowwire | Downloader? is that something that comes with it? |
| 17:58.14 | nick125 | No, it's a 3rd party application, lemme see if I can find a link |
| 17:58.21 | Shadowwire | sweet |
| 17:58.42 | nick125 | There's also a 3rd party application that allows you to use mp3s for ringtones..free too.. |
| 17:59.03 | Shadowwire | wow, that would be cool. |
| 17:59.20 | nick125 | http://mytreo.net/downloads/details-1053.html < MiniTones |
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| 18:00.10 | nick125 | http://mytreo.net/downloads/details-647.html < Downloader |
| 18:00.44 | fozzmoo | Now if I could just find a free .zip archive tool for the Palm. |
| 18:00.55 | Jayce^ | nick125, how do those compare to ringo? |
| 18:01.00 | nick125 | fozzmoo: handzipper |
| 18:01.07 | nick125 | Jayce^: Not as expensive. |
| 18:01.25 | fozzmoo | nick125: You are my hero. |
| 18:01.47 | nick125 | HandZipper Lite can't uncompress files on SD cards, though. |
| 18:02.20 | nick125 | http://mytreo.net/downloads/details-226.html |
| 18:02.25 | fozzmoo | Ugh. |
| 18:02.34 | fozzmoo | ~lart handzipper lite |
| 18:02.34 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps handzipper lite |
| 18:05.04 | Supaplex | ~google iceows |
| 18:05.20 | Shadowwire | Thanks Nick! |
| 18:05.48 | nick125 | Shadowwire: Let me know if it works |
| 18:05.48 | Supaplex | my bad. iceows isn't palm |
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| 18:11.17 | Shadowwire | nick: the minitones seems good, as does the downloader. However I dont have a memory card. just the memory on the palm. |
| 18:11.26 | rsimpkins | Does anyone here have directv? |
| 18:11.38 | elg | I have directw |
| 18:11.52 | sjansen | *sheesh* I'm getting tired of listening to my jokes. |
| 18:11.57 | rsimpkins | elg: Satisfied with it? |
| 18:12.09 | sjansen | "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, and nobody expects the OOM killer." |
| 18:12.26 | Shadowwire | How many flies does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
| 18:12.28 | elg | well it's better than directx, but I'm kind of wishing I'd gone with directz |
| 18:12.40 | Shadowwire | I like directY |
| 18:12.41 | nick125 | Shadowwire: Eek, you'll run out of memory real fast. |
| 18:12.52 | Shadowwire | I just want to load 1 |
| 18:12.55 | elg | I do have rabbit ears though, and they're in the shape of av |
| 18:13.00 | elg | well, they were before one ear broke off |
| 18:13.51 | dataw0lf | so you have a Bongo ear |
| 18:13.55 | Shadowwire | I had a lucky rabbits foot once. Then I realized, That it wasnt a lucky rabbit. |
| 18:14.43 | sjansen | badum CHING |
| 18:14.56 | Shadowwire | thanks sjansen. |
| 18:15.02 | nick125 | Shadowwire: You should be fine putting one tone on there and a few apps. But, just be warned: It's very easy to go through 23MB of storage. |
| 18:15.33 | Shadowwire | yea, but how do i get stuff on there? |
| 18:16.54 | nick125 | You could download it with blazer |
| 18:16.58 | sjansen | levi: Friends don't let friends use autotools. |
| 18:17.09 | Shadowwire | Blaser? |
| 18:17.29 | nick125 | Shadowwire: Built-in web browser on the Treo |
| 18:17.36 | nick125 | It's under "Web" |
| 18:17.56 | nick125 | Shadowwire: Do you have a data plan on your device? |
| 18:18.05 | sjansen | levi: I'm learning CMake instead. Actually bought the book. Should be in the office by the time I get back. Too early to say if it's too limiting, but at least it's more sane. |
| 18:18.11 | Shadowwire | No its a workphone. |
| 18:18.26 | levi | sjansen: If I was working on a project I controlled, I would probably not be using autotools. |
| 18:19.45 | nick125 | Shadowwire: You could try syncing it though palm desktop/whateveryouusetosyncwith, but, I don't have a clue on how to actually do that (I haven't synced my treo in probably almost two years) |
| 18:19.58 | sjansen | The entire KDE project had about 2 people that understood autotools well enought to maintain their build system. Since switching to KDE, most maintainers can handle build rules for their own subsystem. |
| 18:20.12 | levi | That's very nice. |
| 18:20.18 | levi | And not at all applicable to me. |
| 18:20.25 | levi | At least not at the moment. |
| 18:22.54 | levi | Anyway, I think I've solved my problem. |
| 18:23.20 | nick125 | Shadowwire: The easiest way might be to get an SD card and copy the midi file to it, pop it in your treo, and "download" it from the card to the device with blazer |
| 18:23.34 | sjansen | Just giving you some ammo for a flamewar^?crusade to destroy^?educate whoever is responsible. |
| 18:24.04 | elg | anyone know of a decent teenager-popular song? |
| 18:24.24 | bonez39 | it's all junk...elg...just like our music was...to our parents..when we were teenagers...! |
| 18:24.29 | sjansen | Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band? |
| 18:24.36 | bonez39 | my boys like Green Day..... |
| 18:24.51 | levi | elg: Depends on your definitions of 'decent' and 'teenager-popular' |
| 18:25.02 | Shadowwire | try Nickleback |
| 18:25.25 | levi | Yuck. No, try The Shins. |
| 18:25.32 | elg | i'm giving a gee-whiz presentation on computer music on wednesday morning |
| 18:25.39 | Shadowwire | Yuck? No nickleback huh? |
| 18:25.46 | elg | to high school kids in the computer science summer camp |
| 18:25.47 | bonez39 | linkin park? |
| 18:25.55 | Shadowwire | yea, there you go. |
| 18:26.09 | sjansen | Dirty Vegas |
| 18:26.14 | sjansen | Harry Bellafonte |
| 18:26.21 | sjansen | Chemical Brothers |
| 18:26.30 | sjansen | Lisa Simpson |
| 18:26.31 | elg | hip hop or some other kind of gansta music is probably what's popular here, though I have no real idea |
| 18:26.33 | Shadowwire | levi: you dont like nickleback? |
| 18:26.42 | levi | Shadowwire: Not really. |
| 18:26.42 | elg | and by decent I mean something I could play with a straight face |
| 18:26.50 | beandog | CCR? |
| 18:26.54 | levi | beandog: Hah. |
| 18:27.09 | levi | elg: The Gorillaz, maybe? |
| 18:27.12 | nick125 | elg: Take the music that makes you want to puncture your ear drums from it's awefulness, and that's what they'd probably listen to :/ |
| 18:27.13 | dataw0lf | nickleback? meh |
| 18:27.21 | beandog | I think the worst thing you could do is try to look popular. |
| 18:28.08 | dataw0lf | try Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - "Johnny Appleseed" |
| 18:28.20 | Shadowwire | look popular? Yea, who would want the majority of people interested in something your selling? |
| 18:28.23 | beandog | depeche mode |
| 18:28.40 | levi | I'm recommending stuff I actually like that was released in the last year or two and has been played on the radio and/or at trendy clothing stores in the mall. |
| 18:28.46 | beandog | Shadowwire: oh, well if youre hawking something then yah |
| 18:28.55 | beandog | but if youre just trying to look cool, it generally backfires. |
| 18:29.01 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?788112 |
| 18:29.02 | Shadowwire | tru dat |
| 18:29.24 | Shadowwire | How about blink182? |
| 18:29.38 | beandog | you cant go wrong with smashing pumpkins |
| 18:29.38 | Shadowwire | or fallout boy? |
| 18:29.39 | levi | Shadowwire: Man, you have awful taste. |
| 18:29.49 | Shadowwire | thanks levi |
| 18:29.50 | ^Migs^ | I swear, qdb never gets updated |
| 18:30.01 | Shadowwire | or powerman5000 |
| 18:30.20 | Shadowwire | or red hot chilli peppers |
| 18:30.29 | elg | beandog: I don't want to look popular, I want to use a song we can both agree is somewhat cool |
| 18:30.37 | beandog | ah |
| 18:30.37 | Shadowwire | metallica! |
| 18:30.44 | elg | It's not too much of a stretch to think I might like a song or two that they like |
| 18:30.58 | Shadowwire | the Ataris |
| 18:31.02 | beandog | how about the theme song to Transformers |
| 18:31.11 | Shadowwire | which one? |
| 18:31.20 | elg | heh |
| 18:31.25 | levi | elg: Seriously, check out the latest album from The Shins. |
| 18:31.31 | beandog | theres more than one? |
| 18:31.53 | Shadowwire | STP |
| 18:32.31 | elg | any songs in particular? |
| 18:32.55 | beandog | Ooh |
| 18:32.59 | beandog | Stone Temple Pilots |
| 18:33.10 | beandog | that'd be good about right now. |
| 18:33.37 | Shadowwire | kiss, the beattles, U2, pink floyd, Nirvana, Radiohead, Coldplay, REM, Disturbed, the doors, Moody blues, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Pearl Jam, Evanescense |
| 18:33.58 | Shadowwire | should I go on? |
| 18:34.07 | bonez39 | I could get excited about most of those bands.... |
| 18:34.17 | Shadowwire | yea |
| 18:34.23 | bonez39 | could listen to pink floyd and moody blues all day long.. |
| 18:34.29 | Shadowwire | me too |
| 18:34.32 | levi | elg: Phantom Limb and Australia are the two singles from the album so far. |
| 18:35.03 | elg | heh. phantom limb sounds (so far) like the beach boys |
| 18:35.29 | Shadowwire | I think my favorite song right now is "blurry by Puddle of mudd" |
| 18:35.51 | sjansen | TMBG |
| 18:35.56 | sjansen | They've got a new CD. |
| 18:36.09 | elg | oh yeah? |
| 18:36.09 | sjansen | If kids today don't like TMBG, they don't deserve to listen to music. |
| 18:36.34 | bonez39 | TMBG? |
| 18:36.36 | beandog | TMBG? |
| 18:36.38 | beandog | oh. |
| 18:36.40 | dataw0lf | they might be giants |
| 18:36.52 | bonez39 | eeek...I haven't heard their stuff |
| 18:37.13 | beandog | birdhouse in your soul |
| 18:37.31 | Shadowwire | how about Iron maiden, Dave matthews, the cure, foo fighters, AFI, Greatful dead, NIN, Good charolette, Sonic youth, Deftones, Sex pistols, Ramstein, Oasis... |
| 18:37.52 | Shadowwire | Isnt TMBG from Utah? |
| 18:38.23 | ^Migs^ | everyone is ultimately from Utah |
| 18:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:38.40 | Shadowwire | Cant go wrong with the Rolling Stones. |
| 18:38.49 | dataw0lf | no, they're from brooklyn |
| 18:38.59 | Shadowwire | Migs: im not sure I understood that statement. |
| 18:39.19 | Shadowwire | no sleep til brooklyn? |
| 18:40.27 | Shadowwire | hello? |
| 18:40.48 | Shadowwire | AW crap. Lunch is almost over. |
| 18:41.29 | Shadowwire | ~lart ? |
| 18:41.29 | ibot | teaches ? the basics, including how to RTM |
| 18:41.42 | bonez39 | I might like Dave Matthews if the radiostations didn't just beat the living crap outta that one popular song he had out...what is it...It's been a while...blah blah blah? is that his? |
| 18:41.57 | bonez39 | DM has some tune out and it just gets overplayed .....way overplayed |
| 18:42.02 | Shadowwire | uh... yes? |
| 18:42.19 | bonez39 | is that his, Shadowwire? |
| 18:42.27 | levi | There were quite a few Dave Matthews Band songs that got played... back in the mid-90s. |
| 18:42.30 | Shadowwire | crash into me? |
| 18:42.32 | beandog | under the table and dreaming? |
| 18:42.36 | beandog | DM has some great stuff. |
| 18:42.50 | Shadowwire | depressed mode? |
| 18:43.03 | beandog | Dave Matthews |
| 18:43.05 | Shadowwire | anyone like KMFDM? |
| 18:43.09 | beandog | yah |
| 18:43.13 | beandog | the white room |
| 18:43.14 | beandog | :D |
| 18:43.17 | beandog | er, wait |
| 18:43.18 | beandog | is that them? |
| 18:43.27 | Shadowwire | I dont think so. |
| 18:43.30 | elg | I think I'll just stick with the timeless or obscure |
| 18:43.36 | beandog | yah Im way off. |
| 18:43.43 | levi | elg: The Shins didn't do anything for you? |
| 18:43.44 | elg | like U2 or some of the good stuff from knobtweakers |
| 18:43.51 | Shadowwire | sounds good. |
| 18:44.04 | levi | I suppose you can't go wrong with a good U2 song. |
| 18:44.09 | elg | levi: I liked them, but if music anywhere near as good as that was popular here, FM radio wouldn't be so awful |
| 18:44.25 | Shadowwire | surprisingly, Ive never heard of he shins. |
| 18:44.44 | elg | although they really did sound like the beach boys in that one song. :) I liked that onion song better |
| 18:45.08 | Shadowwire | Ill have to check them out. |
| 18:45.20 | levi | The beginning of Australia cracks me up. "Time to put zee earphones on! Noooo!" |
| 18:45.58 | levi | elg: Sea Legs is one of my favorite tracks on the album, but chances of people having heard it are much less. |
| 18:46.58 | bonez39 | is 'Australia' from U2? |
| 18:47.14 | levi | bonez39: No, it's from The Shins. |
| 18:49.53 | bonez39 | thanks Levi |
| 18:54.36 | nick125 | Yay, the order status on my Treo changed. Now its "Item(s) located in stock" |
| 18:57.22 | bonez39 | nick125: which Treo are you getting? |
| 18:57.29 | nick125 | 680 |
| 18:57.47 | nick125 | in Graphite, since that's all they have for unlocked |
| 18:58.01 | bonez39 | unlocked.you can use with whichever carrier you want? |
| 18:58.09 | nick125 | Any GSM carrier, yes. |
| 18:58.20 | Supaplex | more than one at a time? |
| 18:58.40 | nick125 | Supaplex: That would be interesting.. |
| 19:02.33 | Shadowwire | not a chance |
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| 19:21.10 | levi | Depending on what you mean by 'one at a time' |
| 19:21.19 | levi | You can always swap out the SIM card. |
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| 19:52.38 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cheap-parking.net/job-nearly-done.html |
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| 20:10.25 | sargun_screen | hey all |
| 20:15.59 | Lakshmi | hey sargun_screen |
| 20:18.04 | elg | haha. http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1ee32044-39db-4a92-ab46-ea88a9abae51 |
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| 20:28.54 | levi | elg: That's almost as bad as having the ashes turned into a gemstone. |
| 20:31.03 | elg | I dunno if either is bad, imho. If you're going to cremate anyway, why not use the ashes in some memorable way? |
| 20:32.10 | dataw0lf | I don't see how either is bad, personally. |
| 20:37.36 | rsimpkins | Humm.... I want to find non-profits in Utah and Salt Lake county that need/want help with Linux administration. |
| 20:41.07 | RyanE | some non-profits that do "video stuff"? :) |
| 20:41.26 | rsimpkins | RyanE: huh? |
| 20:41.45 | RyanE | rsimpkins: nevermind. You were just asking about companies that did "video stuff" earlier, quite cryptic. |
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| 20:42.24 | rsimpkins | RyanE: Well, that's all the guy would tell me. Broadcast quality video delivery over the Internet == "video stuff" :) |
| 20:54.47 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Can you please e-mail it to me? |
| 20:58.47 | bonez39 | someone, I need help..I just hosed my BIND installation..and now I can't connect out...from this machine.. |
| 20:59.09 | rsimpkins | bonez39: chante your /etc/resolv.conf to dns servers you can resolve from. |
| 20:59.17 | mrpull | Jayce^: are you the same Jason and Jayson Hall on the PDF schedule at UTOS? |
| 20:59.30 | mrpull | looks like a typo on page two |
| 21:02.19 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: ok...I check the file and it is empty |
| 21:02.36 | bonez39 | has header info...this is created by resolvconf but there are no entries, there, no data |
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| 21:07.25 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/etc/resolvconf/run# /etc/init.d/bind9 restart Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused failed! |
| 21:07.52 | bonez39 | I added a couple entries to my resolv.conf file and now web surfing works but I can't restart bind9 |
| 21:10.23 | Supaplex | bonez39: bindrndc said connection refused. is port 953 listening? otherwise stop, then start the service. |
| 21:14.15 | bonez39 | let m echeck on that port...brb |
| 21:15.56 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Do this 'named-checkconf /etc/named.conf' |
| 21:16.47 | rsimpkins | bonez39: If that doesn't show anything, check syslog or named log to see why things are dying. |
| 21:17.26 | bonez39 | ok.. |
| 21:17.34 | nick125 | Anyone here have a treo with chatteremail? |
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| 21:32.35 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: ok, I rebooted..and couldn't connect here until I reloaded my /etc/resolv.conf.. with nameserver and search... but these additions are wiped out...once the file updates via resolvconf |
| 21:34.03 | sjansen | In fact, I'll make a pledge. If you send me enough cash, I'll attend UTOSC for you! |
| 21:35.10 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Isn't the UTOS coference supposed to be a time-investment, rather than a time-waster? |
| 21:37.06 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Shhh. You'll cut into my profits. |
| 21:37.52 | levi | Interesting: Scala now has 'structural types' -- http://langexplr.blogspot.com/2007/07/structural-types-in-scala-260-rc1.html |
| 21:38.17 | rsimpkins | sjansen: bzzzzzzz. Correct response was: "Yes. So let me invest your time for you." Sorry. Don, tell sjansen what he would have won..... ;) |
| 21:38.56 | Shadowwire | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:38.56 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking sjansen's head off |
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| 21:42.48 | diesel | rsimpkins: How familiar with RT (Request Tracker) are you? |
| 21:43.09 | rsimpkins | diesel: Hey man. How exerpeinced do you want me to be? :) |
| 21:44.19 | diesel | I want you to be very experienced. I remember WestHost using it and wondered if you helped with the setup there |
| 21:45.29 | diesel | rsimpkins: actually, I just have a few questions that I don't think are too difficult |
| 21:45.40 | rsimpkins | diesel: Like? |
| 21:46.24 | diesel | rsimpkins: Can you create a ticket that is dependent on other tickets being resolved? |
| 21:46.56 | rsimpkins | diesel: Yes, with newer versions. |
| 21:47.15 | rsimpkins | Well, you can create child-parent relationships. |
| 21:47.21 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure how it is enforced. |
| 21:47.48 | rsimpkins | You can do 'depends on' 'depended on by' etc. |
| 21:48.17 | diesel | rsimpkins: sweet. That is exactly what I am looking for...dependsOn |
| 21:50.11 | diesel | rsimpkins: So do you work with RT much now? Did you do much at WestHost with RT? |
| 21:50.30 | rsimpkins | I wasn't allowed to touch it at WH due to the politics. |
| 21:50.38 | rsimpkins | But yeah, I use it now all the time. |
| 21:52.12 | diesel | rsimpkins: Where and why do you use it now? |
| 21:52.30 | rsimpkins | diesel: We use it for our ticketing system. |
| 21:52.34 | rsimpkins | Why? Why not? |
| 21:52.54 | rsimpkins | It is a very featureful ticekting system. |
| 21:53.05 | rsimpkins | And it is free/Free. |
| 21:53.24 | jsmith | It also has (or at least had) database schemas that were... uh... interesting, to say the least. |
| 21:53.30 | rsimpkins | diesel: And, as you know from WH, it can handle A LOT of tickets. ;) |
| 21:53.42 | rsimpkins | It has weaknesses. |
| 21:54.28 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: when you get a minute..... http://pastebin.ca/639846 this contains several things I have done to test my bind9 set up...could you take a look, please? |
| 21:54.39 | rsimpkins | looking |
| 21:54.40 | diesel | rsimpkins: we = your current exmployer? |
| 21:54.46 | bonez39 | thanks |
| 21:55.14 | rsimpkins | diesel: Omniture, yes. |
| 21:56.08 | diesel | rsimpkins: sweet. I have played around with it a lot and like the scrips idea. What do you think are some of the weaknesses? |
| 21:56.28 | rsimpkins | I have no major complaints about it. Minor nit-picky things like the layout of some of the screens and stuff. |
| 21:57.53 | rsimpkins | diesel: I think it's capable of handling several thousand tickets a month. More than that - and you might need to go commercial, or choose one with a more effecient/scalable design. |
| 21:57.56 | diesel | rsimpkins: I am looking into changing some of the layouts. I went looking at mason...ugh, I think Mason is ugly |
| 22:04.01 | Jayce^ | well, the next version will be in jifty, a lot nicer.. |
| 22:04.20 | mrpull | Jayce^: are you aware of any timeline to move RT to jifty? |
| 22:04.25 | Jayce^ | as for the layout though, if you are using 3.6 you should be able to change a lot via the css.. |
| 22:04.48 | Jayce^ | mrpull, just follow SVN :) Jesse has been working on it quite a bit.. |
| 22:05.04 | mrpull | their little to-do list app looks nice |
| 22:05.05 | levi | So jifty is maturing nicely? |
| 22:05.32 | Jayce^ | it is, I was worried about it for a while, but it's made some good progress |
| 22:05.43 | diesel | Jayce^: re css: yeah, changing the layout with CSS isn't too bad. However, I would like to create a custom page for the creation of tickets and don't really want to get into the whole Mason crap. |
| 22:05.55 | levi | Well, it does come with a pony. |
| 22:06.40 | mrpull | diesel: perhaps you could build a form for your users and use the REST or email api's to create the tickets |
| 22:07.08 | Jayce^ | mrpull, agreed, there are plenty of tools for that |
| 22:07.24 | diesel | mrpull: good idea. REST?? |
| 22:07.30 | mrpull | then again, I couldn't find any docs on the REST interface the last time I looked |
| 22:08.17 | rsimpkins | diesel: Yeah, you build your user end forms in PHP or something. Farm it out to a Jr. :) |
| 22:08.28 | mrpull | i'm not an expert, but as I understand it, it is a way to interface thru building URI's |
| 22:08.47 | mrpull | I think the mailgateway already uses it |
| 22:17.33 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: any word on my bind issue? |
| 22:17.55 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Sorry, ended up getting distracted.... |
| 22:18.01 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: I have been working from this tutorial http://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9 |
| 22:18.19 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: distracted I understand..that seems my lot in life...endless distraction |
| 22:18.19 | rsimpkins | bonez39: So is named running? |
| 22:18.24 | bonez39 | let me check |
| 22:18.50 | bonez39 | 3680 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind -t /var/lib/named |
| 22:18.56 | bonez39 | yeah, looks like it is running |
| 22:19.02 | rsimpkins | bonez39: can you pastebin named.conf? |
| 22:19.07 | bonez39 | ok |
| 22:20.58 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: per the instructions in that tutorial above...named.conf is relocated to put in chroot jail...to protect it... |
| 22:21.22 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Yeah, chroot jails can be a little tricky. |
| 22:21.28 | bonez39 | http://pastebin.ca/639886 |
| 22:21.36 | bonez39 | oh, I am discovering that.... |
| 22:21.49 | bonez39 | but if it means it will protect my installation, I am glad to endure a few headaches... |
| 22:22.16 | rsimpkins | bonez39: So does /path/to/chroot/jail/etc/bind/named.conf.local exist? |
| 22:22.45 | rsimpkins | And all the other files? |
| 22:25.10 | bonez39 | hold a sec...brb |
| 22:26.30 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/var/lib/named/etc/bind# this is the path to where named.conf.local resides |
| 22:28.43 | bonez39 | The only wrinkle I have experienced thus far in that tutorial is this : Bind now has its own dir with space for .pid files and config files. In order to keep things clear we made a symlink back to /etc/. Now edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd to allow logging of bind activity. Replace this: SYSLOGD="" With this: SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" |
| 22:29.44 | bonez39 | my /etc/init.d/sysklogd contains no such 'SYSLOGD=""' entry...I wonder if I just add an entry ' SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" ' at the end of that file |
| 22:30.31 | bonez39 | I run each test as the tutorial moves along...and each test thus far seems to work.... |
| 22:30.41 | rsimpkins | bonez39: back to etc, or from etc to the jail? |
| 22:31.44 | rsimpkins | afk... |
| 22:31.49 | bonez39 | ok |
| 22:34.04 | bonez39 | the tutorial suggests.. /etc/init.d/bind9 restart which is fine..no errors, then ' ping ns1.fyrenice.com ' which I launch and get the following: |
| 22:34.17 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/etc# ping ns1.fyrenice.com |
| 22:34.17 | bonez39 | PING c13-ss-2-lb.cnet.com (216.239.116.65) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:34.17 | bonez39 | 64 bytes from 216.239.116.65: icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=49.7 ms |
| 22:34.18 | bonez39 | 64 bytes from c13-ss-2-lb.cnet.com (216.239.116.65): icmp_seq=2 ttl=241 time=48.3 ms |
| 22:35.22 | bonez39 | if I ' ping ns1.fyrenice.dynalias.com ' [I have dynalias set up at dyndns.org] then this ping resolves to my correct IP address....24.10.147.163 currently |
| 22:36.45 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: and yet, the instructions say this: We can now restart bind and check if it works: /etc/init.d/bind9 restart ping ns1.example.com This should bring bring up a ping result resolving to 192.168.254.1 it should resolve to 192.168.15.1 (my actual system internal IP for my host...) |
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| 22:41.27 | Shadowwire | ~lart people who arnt tolerent of other peoples cultures |
| 22:41.27 | ibot | holds people who arnt tolerent of other peoples cultures to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 22:42.49 | Shadowwire | ~lart himself |
| 22:42.49 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that himself is stuck to the floor |
| 22:43.01 | Shadowwire | ~lart himself |
| 22:43.01 | ibot | duct-tapes himself to the floor and drools on him |
| 22:43.15 | Shadowwire | ~lart himself |
| 22:43.15 | ibot | beats himself over the head with a microkernel |
| 22:58.21 | Shadowwire | ~lart himself |
| 22:58.21 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down himself's throat until himself puts on 150lbs |
| 22:58.40 | maquis | ~lart Shadowwire |
| 22:58.40 | ibot | slaps Shadowwire around with a large trout |
| 22:59.02 | rsimpkins | Uh oh - the TROUT! |
| 23:00.59 | rsimpkins | bonez39: still there? |
| 23:01.00 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: any other ideas? |
| 23:01.05 | rsimpkins | bonez39: dns1.name-services.com is auth for that domain |
| 23:01.17 | rsimpkins | bonez39: and doesn't have an ns1. |
| 23:01.35 | rsimpkins | bonez39: What is the IP of the server so I can query directly? |
| 23:02.49 | bonez39 | my server , my router is 71.195.243.49 |
| 23:04.39 | klys | ~lart me |
| 23:04.39 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking klys's head off |
| 23:04.42 | rsimpkins | bonez39: I can't hit bind on 71.195.243.49. Port open? |
| 23:04.45 | klys | man... |
| 23:04.55 | klys | they changed who me is! |
| 23:05.36 | bonez39 | so 71.195.243.49 is the address at my router.....which port? 80? another? |
| 23:05.50 | rsimpkins | bonez39: 53 |
| 23:09.28 | bonez39 | http://pastebin.ca/639928 |
| 23:09.37 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: that's the post for ports... |
| 23:09.57 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: does this help? |
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| 23:12.12 | Shadowwire | klys: dont loose your head |
| 23:12.34 | Shadowwire | ~lart klys |
| 23:12.34 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto klys whilst whistling innocently |
| 23:12.36 | rsimpkins | bonez39: sry, have to stop on this - got some issues to deal with. |
| 23:12.57 | Shadowwire | ~lart ~lart |
| 23:12.57 | ibot | beats ~lart severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 23:13.04 | klys | hmm |
| 23:13.12 | Shadowwire | sup klys? |
| 23:13.18 | klys | once I was in a channell where they had a rule about troutslapping |
| 23:13.31 | klys | hey |
| 23:13.31 | Shadowwire | oh? |
| 23:13.47 | Shadowwire | ~lart trout slappers |
| 23:13.47 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples trout slappers's foot to the floor |
| 23:15.16 | klys | so anyway... |
| 23:15.22 | Shadowwire | klys: where ya been? |
| 23:15.33 | klys | mostly where I am |
| 23:16.00 | Shadowwire | Do you know anyone else in here personaly? |
| 23:16.04 | klys | I apologize for not checking on this morning |
| 23:16.13 | klys | I worked with TimRiker once at UVSC |
| 23:16.29 | Shadowwire | what about Levi? |
| 23:16.39 | klys | and Levi lived in Dugway a long time ago |
| 23:16.44 | Shadowwire | cool |
| 23:17.21 | Shadowwire | how about RyanE |
| 23:17.38 | klys | no, but he's probably in the plug and I am too |
| 23:17.49 | Shadowwire | the whoda wha? |
| 23:17.53 | klys | plug.org |
| 23:18.13 | Shadowwire | i see... (not realy) |
| 23:19.45 | klys | shadowwire: you use firefox? |
| 23:19.59 | Shadowwire | no |
| 23:20.07 | Shadowwire | well, sometimes |
| 23:20.24 | klys | hmm, I use iceweasel here mostly |
| 23:20.35 | klys | it's firefox |
| 23:20.54 | Shadowwire | iceweasel. . They must be running out of names. |
| 23:21.22 | klys | if you have it open, there's a (rather undeveloped) editor at www.megapathdsl.net/~rachel |
| 23:21.38 | klys | it's in javascript |
| 23:22.02 | klys | how's vmware working out? |
| 23:23.14 | klys | did you ever download mingw developer studio like I suggested the other day? |
| 23:26.07 | klys | do you have a laptop yet? |
| 23:28.12 | klys | are you running xp or vista? |
| 23:31.44 | klys | lemme know if you're coming back l8r |
| 23:34.27 | bonez39 | rsimpkins: thanks...catch ya later... |
