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| 00:44.14 | decriptor | any recommendations for an open source e commerce package |
| 00:47.44 | herlo | decriptor: ofbiz |
| 00:47.56 | herlo | decriptor: oh wait, that's overkill |
| 00:49.18 | decriptor | I need something for my wife's business |
| 00:49.58 | decriptor | I was wondering about xen-cart or oscomerce |
| 00:50.52 | herlo | xen-cart I've used, its based upon oscommerce, and way better |
| 00:51.21 | decriptor | really |
| 00:51.36 | decriptor | that's good to know that its better I knew it was a fork |
| 00:51.47 | herlo | yeah, oscommerce is a big pos |
| 00:52.04 | decriptor | P.O.S ? |
| 00:52.13 | decriptor | piece of ... |
| 00:52.18 | herlo | I'm not saying that xencart is the best, just that its better (and moreso probably now, it's been better than 2yrs) |
| 00:52.26 | herlo | yeah, sh## |
| 00:52.43 | decriptor | what else is there for a simple yet usuable ecommerce site |
| 00:52.57 | herlo | decriptor: good question |
| 00:53.38 | decriptor | how do you target a certain user |
| 00:53.54 | decriptor | like this (6:52:46 PM) herlo: decriptor: good question |
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| 00:55.58 | decriptor | zen cart hasn't had a releaes since last year should I be worried |
| 00:58.08 | elg | is that an independent question? the answer to "should I be worried" is always yes, but I have no idea if you should be worried about zen cart |
| 00:58.35 | decriptor | paranoia |
| 00:58.44 | decriptor | zen-cart specific then |
| 00:58.56 | elg | i now return you to your regularly scheduled paranoia |
| 01:03.04 | sontek | jayce^: dinner? |
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| 01:13.38 | Lars-UT | ~emulate "ms bitters" |
| 01:13.39 | ibot | There's a pigeon on your head! You've got head pigeons! Get to the nurse before they spread to the other children! " |
| 01:13.57 | decriptor | hey lars |
| 01:14.03 | Lars-UT | yo decriptor |
| 01:14.09 | decriptor | was up |
| 01:14.11 | decriptor | ? |
| 01:14.32 | Lars-UT | takin' some classes at UV beginning aug 22 |
| 01:14.45 | decriptor | sweet which ones |
| 01:14.56 | Lars-UT | I'll pm ya' |
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| 01:22.39 | Tene | ~emulate Lars-UT |
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| 01:25.48 | Lars-UT | ~emulate tene |
| 01:25.49 | ibot | ACTION eats a Pop Tart(tm) |
| 01:27.32 | Lars-UT | ~emulate farmer hogget |
| 01:27.32 | ibot | That'll do, pig. That'll do. |
| 01:27.48 | Lars-UT | ~assimilate tene |
| 01:27.48 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into tene's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 01:28.19 | Lars-UT | ~taunt herlo |
| 01:28.19 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at herlo |
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| 01:35.03 | jsmith | Lars-UT: You're having too much fun... |
| 01:35.19 | Lars-UT | ~nudge jsmith |
| 01:35.20 | ibot | ACTION elbows jsmith until he gets jsmith's attention |
| 01:35.50 | Lars-UT | ~dr worm |
| 01:35.50 | ibot | rumour has it, dr worm is "Call me Dr Worm. Good Morning how are you, I'm Dr Worm I'm interested in things. I'm not a real doctor, But I am a real worm; I am an actual worm. I live like a worm. I like to play the drums. I think I'm getting good, But I can handle criticism. I'll show you what I know, And you can tell me if you think I'm getting better on the drums. ... |
| 01:36.25 | jsmith | ~shove Lars-UT |
| 01:36.32 | herlo | ~simpsons Lars-UT |
| 01:36.33 | ibot | ACTION sends Lars-UT chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 01:36.38 | Lars-UT | ~cokezero jsmith |
| 01:36.39 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in jsmith and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 01:36.57 | jsmith | ~zap Lars-UT |
| 01:36.57 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives Lars-UT a good jolt. |
| 01:37.00 | jsmith | ~prod Lars-UT |
| 01:37.01 | ibot | ACTION zaps Lars-UT with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 01:37.11 | Lars-UT | ~cocofang jsmith |
| 01:37.12 | jsmith | ~paintball Lakshmi |
| 01:37.18 | jsmith | Oops... wrong target |
| 01:37.22 | Lars-UT | ~shoot jsmith |
| 01:37.22 | ibot | ACTION shoots jsmith in the foot with a glue gun! |
| 01:37.32 | jsmith | ~zap Lars-UT |
| 01:37.33 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives Lars-UT a good jolt. |
| 01:37.35 | Lars-UT | ~club jsmith |
| 01:37.42 | Lars-UT | ~hit jsmith |
| 01:37.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps jsmith. |
| 01:37.42 | jsmith | ~cluebat Lars-UT |
| 01:37.43 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Lars-UT. |
| 01:37.51 | Lars-UT | ~pimpslap jsmith |
| 01:37.52 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps jsmith. ouch! |
| 01:37.57 | jsmith | ~uppercut Lars-UT |
| 01:38.07 | Lars-UT | ~streetfigther jsmith |
| 01:38.09 | jsmith | ~whaleslap Lakshmi |
| 01:38.10 | ibot | ACTION beats Lakshmi upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:38.11 | herlo | ~herlo Lars-UT |
| 01:38.12 | ibot | ACTION pokes Lars-UT with a sharp needle |
| 01:38.17 | jsmith | Oops... tab completion got me again. |
| 01:38.23 | Lars-UT | ~trout jsmith |
| 01:38.24 | ibot | ACTION slaps jsmith around a bit with a large trout! |
| 01:38.24 | herlo | ~pee Lars-UT |
| 01:38.24 | ibot | ACTION pee's upon Lars-UT like a waterfall. |
| 01:38.30 | jsmith | ~salmon Lars-UT |
| 01:38.35 | Lars-UT | hah! |
| 01:38.40 | jsmith | ~filet Lars-UT |
| 01:38.45 | Lars-UT | ~pistolwhip jsmith |
| 01:39.25 | Lars-UT | ~emulate mr. horse |
| 01:39.26 | ibot | No Sir, I didn't like it. |
| 01:40.28 | jsmith | ~cluebyfour Lars-UT |
| 01:40.29 | Lars-UT | poor Lakshmi - was just an innocent bystander |
| 01:40.35 | jsmith | Yeah... sorry about that... |
| 01:40.46 | jsmith | Lars-UT: So, how's life? |
| 01:42.37 | Lars-UT | pretty good |
| 01:42.53 | Lars-UT | jsmith: How's Asterisk? |
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| 01:43.01 | jsmith | Lars-UT: Rockin'! |
| 01:43.16 | Lars-UT | brb |
| 01:45.36 | Lars-UT | jsmith: what's your favorite tidbit of ASterisk advocacy to share of late? |
| 01:46.08 | jsmith | Lars-UT: My new job, of course! |
| 01:46.31 | Lars-UT | and himself |
| 01:46.52 | Tene | s/./g/g |
| 01:47.04 | Lars-UT | jsmith: What's the best part so far? |
| 01:48.07 | jsmith | Lars-UT: Actually being able to solve problems for people... |
| 01:48.31 | jsmith | Lars-UT: ... and having resources to do cool things |
| 01:48.37 | mheath | jsmith, Where are you working now? |
| 01:48.49 | Lars-UT | jsmith: as opposed to just teaching in more... generalities? |
| 01:49.55 | jsmith | mheath: I work for Digium now... I'm their Community Relations Manager |
| 01:50.03 | mheath | Digium? |
| 01:50.07 | chadbryant | anyone here installed Windows within Qemu? |
| 01:50.24 | mheath | chadbryant, Why not just use VMWare Player? |
| 01:50.24 | jsmith | Lars-UT: I'm still doing teaching... I'm in Atlanta teaching a class right now |
| 01:50.29 | mheath | It works very well with Windows |
| 01:51.15 | jayce_home | jsmith, so send Plug some swag :) |
| 01:51.22 | jayce_home | we're your community |
| 01:51.45 | chadbryant | I need a Windows install w/ internet access |
| 01:51.47 | Lars-UT | s/fires/launches |
| 01:51.54 | jsmith | jayce_home: That's the thing... I should be able to now. |
| 01:51.58 | Lars-UT | jayce_home: are you tunneling? |
| 01:52.06 | jsmith | jayce_home: In fact, you guys should fly me out to do another presentation ;-) |
| 01:52.15 | jayce_home | no, just didn't change my default nick for this box |
| 01:52.30 | jayce_home | jsmith, no no, digium flys you out :) |
| 01:52.39 | jayce_home | besides, we're getting you for utos |
| 01:53.00 | Lars-UT | jayce_home: still at the conf or did the hotel get your connection fixed when you switched rooms? |
| 01:53.23 | jayce_home | Lars-UT, at a BOF atm..but they did just fix the connection |
| 01:53.57 | Lars-UT | ~define BOF |
| 01:53.58 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 01:54.04 | Lars-UT | ~dict BOFH |
| 01:54.10 | Lars-UT | oh. |
| 01:54.11 | jayce_home | Birds of a Feather discussion group |
| 01:54.14 | Lars-UT | :) |
| 01:54.39 | Lars-UT | ~dict BOF |
| 01:54.40 | jsmith | jayce_home: Discussing? |
| 01:55.03 | jayce_home | schwern is doing a continuation on pricples of better programing... just wrapping up.. |
| 01:55.40 | jayce_home | ok, I have a new language for levi... http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html |
| 01:55.43 | brac | [DM's Esoteric Programming Languages - Piet] |
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| 01:58.40 | bonez41 | boo |
| 01:58.47 | Lars-UT | goo! |
| 01:59.37 | elg | levi: ping |
| 01:59.41 | mheath | Hey, does anyone have any recommendation for open source gallery software? |
| 01:59.42 | Lars-UT | pong! |
| 01:59.43 | mheath | Photo gallery |
| 01:59.53 | elg | mheath: despair now |
| 01:59.55 | mheath | PHP + MySQL based |
| 01:59.59 | elg | or settle for gallery2 |
| 02:00.21 | mheath | And a friendly interface for viewing pictures (Isn't really for lots of people sharing, just for a few people posting and lots of people viewing) |
| 02:00.24 | bonez41 | I have been running linux a few years now, but I still dont' get some of the basics...for example, I connect to my office machine...which runs debian 3.1... and has IP from comcast cable...I run 'hostname -f' and it returns 'localhost'.. this is wrong, isn't it...? |
| 02:01.27 | Tene | Why do you think that's wrong? What you prefer it return? |
| 02:01.41 | bonez41 | I am embarrassed asking...I am more a user, than administrator..but I wear both hats and am forced now to understand what I am doing...and I am just lost .. with setting up a local DNS server.... |
| 02:02.05 | bonez41 | Tene: well, shouldn't it bear the name of the domain, assigned to my system at work, which is 'fyrenice.com'? |
| 02:02.14 | mheath | bonez39, For local network machines that don't have a 'real' domain name, they can return whatever you want to return. |
| 02:02.22 | Tene | As far as I can tell, I don't think that anyone here will think badly of you for asking. :) |
| 02:02.32 | mheath | This desktop thinks its FQDN is "mheath-desktop" |
| 02:02.32 | bonez41 | Tene: wheww.. |
| 02:02.55 | Tene | bonez41: different distros have different ways of setting it... usually it's in a text file in /etc somewhere |
| 02:02.56 | bonez41 | I am trying to understand, as I really want to get zimbra set up and running... |
| 02:03.01 | mheath | bonez39, Do you have a hostname / domainname for that host? |
| 02:03.02 | Tene | grep -nr localhost /etc |
| 02:03.09 | Tene | should find it |
| 02:03.17 | Tene | (among many other things) |
| 02:03.18 | bonez41 | if I just run 'hostname' with the -f switch..it shows 'fyrenice.com' |
| 02:03.39 | mheath | What? |
| 02:03.46 | mheath | I thought you just said it returns localhost when you do that. |
| 02:04.40 | bonez41 | Tene: that produced several pages of output.... |
| 02:05.14 | Tene | bonez41: yes, I'd expect it would. Unfortunately, without knowing your distro, I can't be more specific. |
| 02:05.37 | mheath | bonez39, /etc/hostname iirc |
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| 02:07.11 | mheath | jayce_home: sounds like a good group. |
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| 02:07.35 | elg | -lart jayce_home |
| 02:07.42 | elg | ooh, wrong chair |
| 02:07.54 | mheath | elg, why do you imply that the list of propsective galleries is so bleak? |
| 02:08.41 | elg | personal experience and opinion |
| 02:09.04 | mheath | This is a simple task though |
| 02:09.12 | mheath | Literally just a place to post some pictures |
| 02:09.24 | elg | you'd think that would be well-covered |
| 02:10.36 | elg | you'd think there'd be a simple way to display pictures you took on the web in a more or less pleasing way. Even if you leave off multiple users (or even uploading altogether - i.e. file-based) it's a sad landscape |
| 02:11.01 | elg | gallery{,2} are pitifully complex and slow |
| 02:11.29 | elg | most others are pitifully lacking in even basic features and/or designed by medusa herself |
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| 02:12.20 | bonez41 | Tene: running debian 3.1 |
| 02:13.05 | sontek | flickr/picasa |
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| 02:14.27 | Tene | elg: I saw what looked like a pretty nice apache module for handling a photo gallery a few years ago. |
| 02:14.29 | jsmith | sontek: Zooomr |
| 02:14.33 | Tene | I don't remember the name, though. |
| 02:15.12 | Lars-UT | jsmith: Zooomr is run by 2 people according to herlo - he has some unpleasant things to say about it |
| 02:15.51 | elg | i once almost wrote a file/directory-based static page generator. got it about 60% done but then got tired of it |
| 02:16.16 | jsmith | Lars-UT: It is only run by two people, and they just did a major upgrade, and had some infrastructure issues... but it's still the slickest thing I've ever used. |
| 02:16.49 | jsmith | Lars-UT: http://www.zooomr.com/photos/jsmith/ |
| 02:17.26 | elg | if anyone sees something like this, be sure and let me know: put files on disk (or upload a zip or tarball), generate static pages, read exif stuff, allow to add titles/comments but be sensible without them, straightforward xhtml/css theming |
| 02:17.42 | mheath | Another question.. |
| 02:17.52 | mheath | is there any good mailing list management software? |
| 02:17.55 | mheath | I'm well aware of mailman |
| 02:18.02 | mheath | I need something that is more user friendly |
| 02:18.07 | Tene | elg: I saw something like 'mkgallery'... |
| 02:18.07 | elg | oh, and "runs" (I'd actually prefer if it were entirely static) on my server |
| 02:18.22 | Tene | elg: also, f-spot can export something decent. |
| 02:18.42 | elg | i like f-spot, haven't looked at their web output. is it themeable? |
| 02:19.07 | Tene | My inclination is to answer yes, but I don't actually know. |
| 02:19.40 | mheath | hmm, I have F-spot |
| 02:19.57 | Tene | http://allalone.org/pics/sharp/ -- I uploaded that to test the gallery output a year or so ago. that's just the defaults, as I recall. |
| 02:20.00 | Lars-UT | jsmith: that floor puckering in the basement looks like epoxy paint was applied without properly preparing the underlying concrete for a good bond. |
| 02:20.06 | elg | mheath: maybe you can generate a static page with f-spot and let us see |
| 02:20.13 | mheath | elg, give me a second |
| 02:20.23 | jsmith | Lars-UT: It was put on top of a previous layer of of epoxy that wasn't done well either... |
| 02:20.31 | Tene | f-spot 0.1.10 |
| 02:20.36 | Tene | I don't know the current version |
| 02:20.43 | jsmith | Lars-UT: In the end, they pulled it all back up and re-did it a third time |
| 02:21.07 | mheath | I have 0.3.5 |
| 02:21.38 | mheath | cool, it has good support for importing my media card... |
| 02:21.38 | Tene | Yeah, it's probably different from when I generated that. |
| 02:22.18 | mheath | Does it have support for captioning, though? |
| 02:23.14 | elg | Tene: that's not bad at all |
| 02:23.26 | mheath | Yeah, its good |
| 02:23.33 | mheath | I really do want multi-user support, though... |
| 02:23.35 | elg | (referring to the gallery, not your hair ;-) |
| 02:23.48 | mheath | Tene, don't bother if you're not too interesting |
| 02:23.51 | mheath | *interested |
| 02:23.54 | mheath | I'm about to do the same thing |
| 02:24.21 | mheath | Hmm, I don't like F-Spot much |
| 02:24.43 | elg | no? |
| 02:24.52 | mheath | inteface is not too intuitive |
| 02:25.06 | mheath | It looks intuitive at first glance, but doesn't work the way I expected it to |
| 02:25.11 | Tene | exports to flickr, picasaweb, smugmug, 23hq, Gallery, "folder", and "cd" |
| 02:25.15 | mheath | For example, in the import dialog, I can select specific pictures/files |
| 02:25.36 | mheath | But that does nothing |
| 02:25.39 | mheath | It still imports the whole folder |
| 02:25.44 | herlo | Lars-UT: I do, but they have good ideas. The problem with Zooomr is that they don't have enough staff and when something goes wrong they can't fix it fast enough... |
| 02:25.55 | Tene | mheath: for software that I'm going to use regularly and repeatedly, I rarely care about "how I expected it to work" |
| 02:26.12 | mheath | Tene, well, this makes it annoying for continuous work |
| 02:26.17 | Lars-UT | ~jedi herlo |
| 02:26.18 | ibot | ACTION zaps herlo with her jedi powers |
| 02:26.18 | mheath | I can't select the new pictures on my card to import |
| 02:27.01 | Tene | mheath: f-spot is pretty smart about re-importing new images from the same source, as I recall. |
| 02:27.02 | herlo | ~hugh Lars-UT |
| 02:27.03 | ibot | ACTION watches Hugh, the freakishly huge killer whale, body slam Lars-UT |
| 02:28.03 | herlo | Lars-UT: that's why I use smugmug. With unlimited access and a company behind them, its worth the $$ |
| 02:28.23 | mheath | Well |
| 02:28.40 | mheath | Now, if only I can find a tool that will autoresize/reformat pictures to a web appropriate format |
| 02:29.11 | jayce_home | fspot on ubuntu keeps dying trying to export to picasa for me :( |
| 02:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | bash + imagemagick |
| 02:29.19 | herlo | mheath: imagemagick |
| 02:29.21 | jayce_home | otherwise, better than most |
| 02:29.42 | jayce_home | imagemagick-- for cgi/dynamic resizing... |
| 02:29.45 | jayce_home | imlib2++ |
| 02:29.53 | elg | mheath: you mean other than f-spot? |
| 02:29.56 | mheath | Yeah |
| 02:30.02 | mheath | I dislike F-spot |
| 02:30.05 | mheath | It doesn't seem that useful |
| 02:30.11 | elg | of course you do, you gave it a whole 3 minutes |
| 02:30.29 | herlo | mheath: convert works perfectly for me with f-spot |
| 02:30.45 | elg | norah jones |
| 02:30.46 | mheath | question |
| 02:30.52 | mheath | Does F-spot actually 'import' pictures |
| 02:30.59 | mheath | Or just link to them in the present location? |
| 02:31.00 | herlo | mheath: in a sense |
| 02:31.15 | jayce_home | mheath, you say 'question', and it just makes me think of the way Dwight says it :) |
| 02:31.26 | herlo | mheath: f-spot does make a directory and moves the files to that directory from wherever you "import" them. |
| 02:31.34 | herlo | jayce_home: I love the office |
| 02:31.52 | jayce_home | :) |
| 02:32.21 | Newsome | jayce_home? I thought you were at OSCON? |
| 02:32.37 | Lars-UT | jayce_home: Have you seen The I.T. Crowd? |
| 02:32.39 | elg | his new home is a couch at oscon |
| 02:32.56 | mheath | Jayce^, who is Dwight? |
| 02:33.09 | herlo | mheath: watch the office and you'll know |
| 02:33.15 | mheath | Oh, that Dwight. |
| 02:34.00 | herlo | Lars-UT: I bet he's fighting with thousands of others for a *spot* on the couch which has the best reception |
| 02:34.08 | mheath | When it says export to Gallery...thats the webpage gallery thing? |
| 02:34.12 | herlo | and Jayce_home just got kicked out |
| 02:34.30 | herlo | ~rtfm mheath |
| 02:34.31 | ibot | ACTION tosses mheath a 50lb unix manual |
| 02:34.36 | elg | yeah. export to folder |
| 02:34.45 | elg | then you have the option of just saving the files, or making web pages, etc. |
| 02:35.08 | Lars-UT | herlo: what time zone are you in at present? |
| 02:35.12 | mheath | I love digital cameras :) |
| 02:35.18 | mheath | My photos are all organized by date and everything |
| 02:35.20 | mheath | this is neat |
| 02:35.58 | Lars-UT | ~starwars mheath |
| 02:35.58 | ibot | ACTION forces mheath to watch the first three episodes of Star Wars looped for twelve straight hours |
| 02:40.16 | mheath | No, I was asking about "Export to Gallery" because I was wondering if it could export to something like...."Gallery". And apparently it can, thats what that option is for |
| 02:40.21 | mheath | Now, about my earlier question... |
| 02:40.30 | mheath | Are there any user-friendly mailing list systems out there? |
| 02:40.51 | mheath | User friendly in that a bunch of I-barely-know-how-to-use-e-mail people will feel comfortable using it? |
| 02:40.53 | Tene | mheath: I suspect that my definition of "user-friendly" has no overlap with yours. |
| 02:41.07 | mheath | I just defined it for you :) |
| 02:42.14 | Tene | mheath: if you set it up for them, then all they have to do is send email to the mailing list address or reply to mails they get from the list. |
| 02:42.24 | Tene | They don't need to use "the list" itself at all. |
| 02:42.36 | mheath | For subscribing and such |
| 02:43.14 | Tene | most mailing list software lets you subscribe by putting your email address in a textbox on a website or by sending mail to the list, and such. |
| 02:43.24 | Tene | Do you need something more specific than that? |
| 02:43.49 | mheath | I dunno |
| 02:43.58 | mheath | I'm just trying to decide if I should use google groups or not |
| 02:44.01 | mheath | For my needs |
| 02:56.09 | findlay | ~group mheath |
| 02:56.26 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 02:56.26 | brac | stuff did |
| 02:56.39 | findlay | -chat about the list |
| 02:56.39 | brac | the list that could even change which one is VERY tricky. |
| 02:56.47 | Tene | -chat about brac is |
| 02:56.47 | brac | brac is obviously superior, etc. |
| 02:56.52 | Tene | -chat about ibot is |
| 02:56.52 | brac | ibot is really a question, asks you to keel over soon |
| 02:57.23 | sargun_screen | hi Lakshmi |
| 02:57.37 | Tene | -chat about sargun is |
| 02:57.38 | brac | sargun is bored? |
| 02:59.26 | findlay | -chat about hi Lakshmi |
| 02:59.28 | brac | hi Lakshmi ! |
| 02:59.34 | findlay | ! |
| 02:59.53 | Tene | -chat about findlay is |
| 02:59.53 | brac | findlay is tempted to go down that road then turn onto this other, easy as the 19" LCD, but I do not wish to register |
| 03:00.10 | findlay | -chat about Tene is |
| 03:00.11 | brac | Tene is Tenebram, or the derivative of acceleration with respect to time |
| 03:00.15 | findlay | hahaha |
| 03:00.38 | mheath | wow\ |
| 03:00.46 | findlay | -chat about wow mheath |
| 03:00.47 | brac | wow mheath |
| 03:01.05 | findlay | -chat about ~lart me |
| 03:01.05 | brac | ~lart me baby! with an existing stereo track and turn the inner joy of powering such an appropriate target. |
| 03:01.05 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on me baby! with an existing stereo track and turn the inner joy of powering such an appropriate target. and turns me baby! with an existing stereo track and turn the inner joy of powering such an appropriate target. into a brick |
| 03:01.39 | Tene | -chat about ~lart findlay |
| 03:01.39 | brac | ~lart findlay for knowing django |
| 03:01.39 | ibot | slaps findlay around with a large trout for knowing django |
| 03:02.03 | findlay | -chat about ~lart Tene |
| 03:02.03 | brac | ~lart Tene for getting a tax prep person. |
| 03:02.03 | ibot | hereby declares Tene a troll for getting a tax prep person. |
| 03:02.34 | findlay | there's nothing like a couple of bots on a Tuesday evening to cheer you up |
| 03:02.48 | Tene | ~sjansen findlay |
| 03:02.49 | ibot | ACTION tells findlay good things about sjansen |
| 03:03.17 | findlay | ~findlay Tene |
| 03:03.18 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps Tene. |
| 03:03.48 | findlay | brac: can you read Tene's mind? |
| 03:03.50 | brac | dunno |
| 03:04.06 | Tene | brac: can you eat findlay's hair? |
| 03:04.06 | brac | no clue |
| 03:04.16 | findlay | ~random |
| 03:04.21 | Tene | ~rlart |
| 03:04.22 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack findlay |
| 03:04.29 | findlay | hey, you rigged that |
| 03:05.20 | Tene | I did no such thing! |
| 03:05.35 | bonez41 | is there a command that shows a tree structure of a LAN? machines...IP addresses, etc? |
| 03:05.59 | Tene | bonez41: not that I'm familiar with. what specific need do you have currently? |
| 03:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | nmap is probably the closest thing I can think of |
| 03:07.08 | mheath | elg, so far, I've found that Gallery 2.2's setup is pretty intuitive |
| 03:07.54 | bonez41 | Tene: well, just trying to get my brain wrapped around my office LAN..I have two machines...one is 'scott' my primary box...other is 'david' and it's running zimbra...or will be soon...I have to set up split DNS and mail server on each.....zimbra has its own... |
| 03:08.03 | bonez41 | and scott runs exim4 |
| 03:09.05 | bonez41 | so zimbra is installed, on 'david'..... |
| 03:09.53 | bonez41 | but since I have dynamic IP from comcast and not STATIC...I have to setup DNS locally, to resolve the MX issues....zimbra requires MX records show up correctly routed to david |
| 03:10.41 | elg | didn't say it was nightmarish, just complicated and overkill |
| 03:11.12 | Lakshmi | sargun_screen: hey |
| 03:16.07 | sargun_screen | sup |
| 03:16.16 | sargun_screen | Hm |
| 03:16.25 | sargun_screen | I wonder if I killed my office LAN yet |
| 03:16.30 | sargun_screen | zimbra? |
| 03:16.36 | Lakshmi | how would u have done that? |
| 03:17.14 | sargun_screen | oh, I transfered AT LEAST 250*8 Gbyte of traffic constantly for about 15 hours so far :- |
| 03:17.18 | sargun_screen | ) |
| 03:17.36 | Lakshmi | isnt that a bad thing? |
| 03:17.52 | sargun_screen | I have 500*8 more to go. |
| 03:18.17 | Lakshmi | let it take a break for a bit |
| 03:18.28 | Lakshmi | so u dont kill it |
| 03:18.34 | Lakshmi | possibly? |
| 03:22.39 | sargun_screen | uh |
| 03:22.48 | sargun_screen | No. |
| 03:23.11 | Lakshmi | why not? |
| 03:23.16 | Lakshmi | btw-- pm? |
| 03:26.05 | Supaplex | power eek |
| 03:28.29 | sargun_screen | i did? |
| 03:28.34 | sargun_screen | power eek? |
| 03:30.51 | Lakshmi | whats that? |
| 03:51.05 | mheath | Grr |
| 03:51.16 | mheath | You have to manually select the upload-to-size option in F-Spot |
| 03:51.18 | mheath | I dislike this |
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| 04:04.05 | sargun_screen | God, this is boring, somebody shoot me. |
| 04:04.49 | Lakshmi_ | what are u doing? |
| 04:05.37 | findlay | ~language sargun_screen |
| 04:05.37 | ibot | ACTION grabs sargun_screen by the ear and washes sargun_screen's mouth out with soap |
| 04:05.43 | findlay | ~shoot sargun_screen |
| 04:05.44 | ibot | ACTION shoots sargun_screen in the head with a cork gun! |
| 04:06.11 | Lakshmi_ | yay see ure wish came true sargun_screen |
| 04:07.50 | rsimpkins | everyone log in to ##linux and type: 'Pie-rate: Yes.' |
| 04:07.59 | rsimpkins | or /join ##linux rather. |
| 04:10.12 | rsimpkins | hehe. |
| 04:10.15 | rsimpkins | poor guy. |
| 04:10.19 | findlay | what's all that about? |
| 04:10.21 | sontek | what was yes to? |
| 04:10.41 | rsimpkins | He is getting annoyed people keep teilling him yes for no reason. |
| 04:10.45 | rsimpkins | Just good clean IRC fun. |
| 04:13.04 | rsimpkins | bah ##linux is too krass sometimes |
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| 04:21.27 | Jayce^_lap | heh, #utah at oscon... (spr and sontek sitting next to me) |
| 04:21.42 | rsimpkins | woot! |
| 04:21.49 | rsimpkins | Wish I was there. |
| 04:21.58 | rsimpkins | Fall asleep next to Larry for me Jayce^_lap. :) |
| 04:22.43 | sontek | :D |
| 04:23.14 | Jayce^_lap | rsimpkins, actually, was just talking to his wife and sun.. |
| 04:23.44 | rsimpkins | Jayce^_lap: What's been the most interesting thing so far? |
| 04:24.19 | Jayce^_lap | findlay would have enjoyed it, his son was just submitting a paper on creating a perpetual motion machine using a black hole and theoretical elements with a max speed different from the speed of light |
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| 04:25.19 | rsimpkins | Jayce^_lap: Larry's son is going to turn Earth in to a gigantic black hole. Lovley. |
| 04:25.25 | Jayce^_lap | rsimpkins, hrm, for me possibly some of MJD's discussions of lisping Perl |
| 04:25.50 | fozzmoo | Penetrate Here Please, eh? |
| 04:25.56 | Jayce^_lap | fozzmoo, :) |
| 04:26.03 | fozzmoo | I like that. |
| 04:26.06 | Jayce^_lap | you hear the greatest things at oscon |
| 04:26.33 | fozzmoo | What wiki software is the Perl foundation running their wiki on? |
| 04:27.15 | fozzmoo | Socialtext. |
| 04:27.18 | fozzmoo | Is that Perl-based? |
| 04:27.24 | Jayce^_lap | think so.. |
| 04:27.28 | Jayce^_lap | schwern set it up |
| 04:27.46 | Jayce^_lap | pretty nifty, just added my first pages.. |
| 04:28.02 | Jayce^_lap | nice wysiwig interface default |
| 04:28.34 | fozzmoo | Wow. I had no idea Socialtext even existed. |
| 04:28.43 | fozzmoo | And there's an open source version. |
| 04:28.50 | Jayce^_lap | cool |
| 04:29.02 | rsimpkins | yeah, that looks rad |
| 04:29.05 | rsimpkins | http://www.socialtext.net/open/index.cgi |
| 04:29.32 | fozzmoo | I thought Twiki was the best I was gonna get w/ Perl. |
| 04:30.20 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Same, this looks interesting. What did you learn about it? |
| 04:30.34 | fozzmoo | About TWiki? |
| 04:30.40 | rsimpkins | socialtext |
| 04:30.48 | fozzmoo | Nothing yet. I'm downloading it now. |
| 04:30.50 | Jayce^_lap | yeah, uses mod_perl it looks like, and postgres |
| 04:30.57 | fozzmoo | Suhhhh WEEET! |
| 04:31.07 | Jayce^_lap | rsimpkins, from me of course, via oscon :) |
| 04:31.12 | rsimpkins | You can get k-lined on opn for using the wrong word. |
| 04:31.22 | fozzmoo | Jayce^_lap: Yeah- That DB you now know how to tune properly. :) |
| 04:31.43 | Jayce^_lap | fozzmoo, getting better, now that somebody gave me a straight answer on *some* options.. |
| 04:31.43 | fozzmoo | I think you need to go back and add more snarky sarcasm to that blog post, btw. ;-) |
| 04:31.45 | Jayce^_lap | need a lot more |
| 04:32.04 | Jayce^_lap | oh really? darn, thought I'd been light :) |
| 04:32.09 | rsimpkins | some guy got klined for going in to #windows and using a word that I guess is a norten anti-virus DOS. |
| 04:32.33 | Jayce^_lap | I swear, I dont' know how many times I've asked the same questions in pg sources, and not gotten answers.. |
| 04:33.02 | fozzmoo | The Pg community is definitely not as big as the MySQL community, it seems. |
| 04:33.07 | fozzmoo | A lot more academic. |
| 04:33.20 | Jayce^_lap | fozzmoo, 'academic' yeah... kinda like the lispers :) |
| 04:33.37 | fozzmoo | Bruce M. is usually pretty good source of info... if you can get him cornered. |
| 04:33.40 | rsimpkins | I have a hard time with the pg boys. |
| 04:33.42 | Jayce^_lap | plenty of pg folks here though. |
| 04:36.09 | Jayce^_lap | too bad you guys aren't ..... *cough* |
| 04:36.54 | rsimpkins | Jayce^_lap: Ohh... and miss replacing the entire braking system in my car? Oh I couldn't bear the thought. :) |
| 04:37.40 | Jayce^_lap | wow, that is a tough choice |
| 04:37.46 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: I made an error in not coming to the conference. I should have pressed harder to get GL to pay for it too... |
| 04:37.59 | Jayce^_lap | c'mon, you're wife wouldn't have missed you rsimpkins |
| 04:38.06 | Jayce^_lap | herlo, check yer mail.. |
| 04:38.19 | Jayce^_lap | did a quick update.. |
| 04:38.34 | Jayce^_lap | oh, and r0ml is here, I really wish we could get him for a keynote, would be perfect |
| 04:38.39 | chadbryant | stupid question time |
| 04:39.08 | chadbryant | where does Ubuntu put its /.wine directory? |
| 04:39.56 | fozzmoo | r0ml? |
| 04:40.46 | chadbryant | found it |
| 04:41.00 | fozzmoo | chadbryant: Where was it? |
| 04:41.02 | chadbryant | it's a hidden directory in my home/$USER directory |
| 04:41.02 | sontek | herlo: its not to late, you are only a few hours a way |
| 04:41.04 | sontek | cancel class |
| 04:41.07 | sontek | call in sick |
| 04:41.15 | sontek | *cough* |
| 04:41.46 | fozzmoo | I taught a class for GL when I was much sicker than I would needed to be to call in for work anywhere else. |
| 04:41.48 | Jayce^_lap | http://r0ml.net/blog/ really interesting guy |
| 04:42.18 | herlo | sontek: true, but I'd have to give up a large amount of money... |
| 04:42.37 | sontek | herlo: but a day at OSCON is priceless |
| 04:42.43 | herlo | sontek: true |
| 04:42.57 | fozzmoo | Not when you've got Jayce^ reporting all the relevant stuff on his blog. :) |
| 04:42.59 | herlo | sontek: though I've never been. I'm gonna get me a job soon that will *pay* for me to go... |
| 04:42.59 | Jayce^_lap | dont' think of it as "giving up", think of it as an investment |
| 04:43.13 | fozzmoo | herlo: You gonna de-Guru? |
| 04:43.19 | Jayce^_lap | fozzmoo, heh, I've barely touched on stuff.. got a long list of stuff to do.. |
| 04:43.30 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: did you hear we're getting Matt Asay for Utah Open Source Conference? |
| 04:43.36 | herlo | fozzmoo: no, not yet anyway |
| 04:43.38 | Jayce^_lap | so present, then you don't have to pay for everything |
| 04:43.48 | herlo | fozzmoo: why, wanna hire me and send me to OSCON every year? |
| 04:43.49 | Jayce^_lap | herlo, good, was hoping to hear that |
| 04:43.55 | sontek | herlo: oh and you asked about the .net guy thats coming, his name is Frank Rego, hes presenting here at OSCON too |
| 04:44.00 | fozzmoo | herlo: I hope he's less of a windbag in person than he is on his blog. |
| 04:44.00 | sontek | herlo: he hasn't finalized though |
| 04:44.21 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: he's gonna keynote *before* Perens... |
| 04:44.30 | Jayce^_lap | cool.. |
| 04:44.31 | herlo | Only day we could get him was Sept 6 |
| 04:44.46 | fozzmoo | herlo: Don't go there. |
| 04:44.51 | herlo | fozzmoo: I love his blog. He has some really relevant points |
| 04:45.01 | herlo | fozzmoo: what ever do you mean? |
| 04:45.19 | fozzmoo | herlo: When you blog as much as he does, you're bound to hit a couple good points once in a while. |
| 04:45.27 | herlo | sontek: great, get him to confirm while you are there... |
| 04:45.50 | herlo | fozzmoo: he studied under one of my favorite open source guys, Lawrence Lessig |
| 04:45.55 | fozzmoo | I just don't understand how he can possibly do anything BUT blog anymore. |
| 04:45.56 | herlo | at Stanford |
| 04:46.07 | herlo | he started the Open Source Business Conference |
| 04:46.12 | Jayce^_lap | herlo, we need to get the email to Chris DiBona quick |
| 04:46.15 | herlo | and he does a lot more than just blog... |
| 04:46.16 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I'm familiar with LEssig. |
| 04:46.20 | findlay | Jayce^_lap: I've seen a hypothetical construction of such a device |
| 04:46.22 | fozzmoo | herlo: I don't know how that's possible! |
| 04:46.22 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: what do we say? |
| 04:46.23 | Jayce^_lap | of course, we have Eben here too :) |
| 04:46.34 | fozzmoo | I mean, I'm sure he does... he has a job and a position and all that stuff. |
| 04:46.43 | findlay | black holes emit Hawking radiation anyway |
| 04:46.45 | fozzmoo | I just can't believe he can blog as much as he does... |
| 04:46.51 | fozzmoo | and still get anything else done. |
| 04:46.53 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: I've sent diBona a request, but it seemed empty |
| 04:47.02 | herlo | in his reply, that is |
| 04:47.16 | findlay | I'm sick of physics and mathematics right now |
| 04:47.30 | herlo | fozzmoo: that could be his job to a point... |
| 04:47.41 | herlo | fozzmoo: sharing what he learns every day and week |
| 04:48.03 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: favorite session so far? |
| 04:48.07 | herlo | at OSCON |
| 04:48.08 | fozzmoo | Ewww. Socialtext uses HTML::Mason |
| 04:48.22 | Jayce^_lap | herlo, MJD's stuff today |
| 04:48.34 | Jayce^_lap | of course it's just been tutorials so far |
| 04:48.35 | herlo | s/on/en |
| 04:48.36 | sontek | herlo: me too, hurry down |
| 04:48.46 | sontek | herlo: meet you at red robin? |
| 04:48.46 | herlo | sontek: 3hrs is too long otnight |
| 04:48.53 | sontek | herlo: slacker! |
| 04:48.55 | herlo | sontek: if you drive up here I'll go in the morning |
| 04:48.59 | herlo | :) |
| 04:49.10 | Jayce^_lap | herlo, we need to link to the conference info, sponsor info, what we would like them to sponsor, how they can help, etc.. |
| 04:49.24 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: have you looked at utosc.org lately? |
| 04:49.30 | Jayce^_lap | he wanted extra confimation that novell had no problem with other companies sponsoring |
| 04:49.37 | Jayce^_lap | uhh, not today |
| 04:50.07 | Jayce^_lap | gotta get that schedule up |
| 04:50.11 | herlo | its currently a work in progress, but pages are being aded daily... |
| 04:50.17 | Jayce^_lap | ah yes, those I knew about, but he wants the emailed to him :) |
| 04:50.18 | fozzmoo | herlo: I did send you a graphic, right? |
| 04:50.20 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: tonight/tomorrow is my plan for the schedule... |
| 04:50.27 | herlo | fozzmoo: yeah, we'll be adding you |
| 04:50.29 | Jayce^_lap | k, I need to log in to check it.. |
| 04:50.36 | herlo | fozzmoo: but you're not a diamond sponsor |
| 04:50.44 | herlo | fozzmoo: sorry |
| 04:50.46 | fozzmoo | Oh, I'll diamond you. |
| 04:51.01 | herlo | ~diamond fozzmoo |
| 04:51.13 | Jayce^_lap | ~lart sontek's battery |
| 04:51.13 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops sontek's battery in half |
| 04:51.27 | Jayce^_lap | gee, he only had 4 minutes left.. |
| 04:52.12 | herlo | something about the tightness of a part of someone anatomy, coal and the result -- oh yeah, a DIAMOND!! |
| 04:53.20 | herlo | Jayce^_lap: I'm going through each of the pages one by one, trying to have the site done by week's end. That way we can get the ads out next week for it and have a bigger response. |
| 04:53.44 | fozzmoo | Socialtext wants to run on Apache v1 |
| 04:53.49 | fozzmoo | WTF is up with that?! |
| 04:53.53 | findlay | ha |
| 04:54.15 | herlo | fozzmoo: uh, its time to move to some other software methinks |
| 04:55.44 | findlay | as long as you only cut it in half you will always have stuff left |
| 04:55.58 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: mod_perl issues in 2? |
| 04:56.10 | findlay | as long as you only cut it in fractional pieces you will always have stuff left |
| 04:56.41 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: mod_perl experienced a pretty significant set of paradigm shifts between v1 and v2 |
| 04:56.56 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Yeah, so that might explain it. |
| 04:57.01 | fozzmoo | Obviously, the ST folks haven't bothered to modify their code to adapt. |
| 04:57.11 | fozzmoo | From their site: Content generation is done with Apache 1.3, and Apache 2 can optionally be used to act as a proxy. |
| 04:57.31 | fozzmoo | Bummer. |
| 04:57.34 | rsimpkins | That kinda kills it for me too. |
| 04:57.47 | rsimpkins | Running 1.3 just for a wiki is a little more complicated. |
| 04:57.59 | Jayce^_lap | ouch, yeah, no 1.x for me.. |
| 04:58.00 | findlay | fozzmoo: string theory? |
| 04:58.02 | rsimpkins | But it is targeted to the Enterprise/Appliance space... so maybe that's why. |
| 04:58.45 | rsimpkins | I really like some of wackowiki's features - but the developers are in Russia, and the project stalled like 2 years ago. |
| 04:58.46 | herlo | findlay: you might like this one: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7058189485006458808 |
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| 04:59.06 | rsimpkins | and it's PHP, which is not good for most. |
| 04:59.09 | Jayce^_lap | levi_home, I found a new language for you.. |
| 04:59.22 | Jayce^_lap | http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html |
| 04:59.23 | brac | [DM's Esoteric Programming Languages - Piet] |
| 04:59.28 | levi_home | Jayce^_lap: What is it? |
| 04:59.49 | levi_home | Ah, Piet. That one's pretty cool. :) |
| 04:59.50 | findlay | herlo: what's it about? I can't do multimedia here |
| 05:00.48 | fozzmoo | hee hee.... http://www.glennbeck.com/news/07232007c.shtml |
| 05:00.55 | brac | [Hydrocarbon Powered Eco-Vehicle: Your Stories] |
| 05:01.06 | herlo | findlay: oh, well, its about pablo picasso |
| 05:01.13 | findlay | oh |
| 05:01.13 | herlo | findlay: in a sense |
| 05:02.09 | levi_home | Jayce^_lap: I don't actually attempt to write programs in any of those 'esoteric' languages, but some of them are pretty clever. |
| 05:02.21 | Jayce^_lap | it's really interesting, that's for sure |
| 05:02.28 | Jayce^_lap | the towers of hanoi is strange.. |
| 05:04.15 | levi_home | Man, the linksys PAP2 has a crapload of options that I have no idea what they are. |
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| 05:08.36 | fozzmoo | Jayce^_lap: What do you say about Date::Manip? |
| 05:09.01 | findlay | I don't approve of you manipulating your date |
| 05:09.21 | findlay | I think you should call Dr. Phil |
| 05:10.20 | findlay | good night, I guess |
| 05:12.46 | Jayce^_lap | fozzmoo, heavy, but cool... I use it in a few things. |
| 05:12.56 | Jayce^_lap | herlo, you have jsmith presenting the same thing twice |
| 05:13.32 | Jayce^_lap | and we might want lamont and derek to change the titles a little , to reflect the audience |
| 06:03.56 | findlay | http://techdirt.com/articles/20070724/150454.shtml |
| 06:03.57 | brac | [Techdirt: Blame Murphy's Law, Excessive Hubris For Blackouts In SF] |
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| 13:52.20 | sinuhe | Re: Lindsay, Britney, Paris, et. al. Why is it that some beautiful women don't let their beauty, money, fame go to their head while others can't. |
| 13:52.51 | sinuhe | Why is it I have to hear about them in prime time news? |
| 13:53.00 | sinuhe | Rant over. |
| 13:54.38 | sontek | Britney is coming out with a new album =) |
| 13:55.09 | sinuhe | I've never heard a Spears song. Is she any good? |
| 13:55.40 | sinuhe | s/rs/rs'/ |
| 13:56.41 | sontek | It depends what time of music you I like, I happen to like her stuff but her voice isn't amazing by any means |
| 13:57.03 | sontek | shes just upbeat and makes good dance songs |
| 13:57.23 | sontek | Paris and Lindsay on the other hand make terrible music =) |
| 13:58.05 | sinuhe | I wonder if that's anything like Orrin Hatch and his music? Except he makes more than I do off his CDs alone. |
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| 14:35.55 | sinuhe | Hail redbeard2! |
| 14:36.56 | redbeard2 | s/him/himself/ |
| 14:37.25 | sinuhe | Boston? Anywhere near the FSF offices? |
| 14:37.46 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 14:37.55 | maquis | sweet! |
| 14:38.35 | sinuhe | (FSF is on Franklin St) |
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| 14:55.49 | elg | Jayce^, rsimpkins: how do we do book reviews now? |
| 15:00.30 | sontek | wireless sucks at oscon |
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| 15:15.20 | elg | lif is too short for imitation maple syrup |
| 15:16.12 | sontek | i cant believe its not butter |
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| 16:22.34 | redbeard2 | http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/24/tsa.incidents/index.html |
| 16:22.36 | brac | [TSA to police: Look out for possible terrorist attack 'dry runs' - CNN.com] |
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| 16:22.46 | redbeard2 | i guess i can't bring cheese home with me anymore |
| 16:23.13 | nick125 | morning everyone |
| 16:23.21 | Jayce^_lap | large block cheese... none of that east coast "white" cheddar.. it's gotta be yellow |
| 16:24.29 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a place to get some inexpensive AV cables online? I need to get a 20 feet male-to-male 3.5mm cable, and, I don't want to pay a zillion dollars at bestbuy for one. |
| 16:27.03 | RyanE | It was very valuable cheese. The cell phone was taped to it in case it got lost, then I could call my cheese and see who had it. |
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| 16:30.53 | Kill-me | Hello all |
| 16:31.37 | beandog | nick125: um, pretty much anywhere |
| 16:32.13 | nick125 | I found one place that was selling a cable on amazon for $2.30, but, they want $4.50 for shipping. |
| 16:32.43 | Kill-me | I will be killing myself and posting it on youtube. Im now taking suggestions. |
| 16:34.30 | pr0le | um, how about don't do it |
| 16:34.35 | pr0le | there's a suggestion |
| 16:34.50 | JoshH | nah, that's too boring |
| 16:35.11 | Kill-me | I agree. Too boring. |
| 16:35.32 | JoshH | i vote for standing in front of trax with arms spread |
| 16:35.33 | Kill-me | Plus "dont do it" is a weak argument. |
| 16:36.04 | pr0le | well, not an argument, just a suggestion |
| 16:36.37 | Kill-me | wesk suggestion |
| 16:36.48 | Jayce^_lap | levi, Simon Peyton Jones just starting to talk about transactional memory and concurrency |
| 16:36.59 | levi | Nice. |
| 16:37.38 | Kill-me | Hit by trax seems to have it so far. |
| 16:38.30 | pr0le | it's just not something I want to watch, youtube or not |
| 16:38.55 | RyanE | besides, working for a plumbing supply isn't all *that* bad... |
| 16:38.56 | Jayce^_lap | this talk he's going over how software transactional memory is a ray of light in the world outside of haskell :) |
| 16:39.23 | Jayce^_lap | right now he's riping on java/C#/etc for their flawed parallelism :) (no real argument from the crowd) |
| 16:39.42 | levi | Well, what kind of argument could you reasonably make? ;) |
| 16:39.59 | Kill-me | Klys? |
| 16:40.25 | elg | Kill-me: study yourself to death |
| 16:40.37 | Kill-me | Perhaps. |
| 16:43.15 | levi | Try jumping into a tank of sharks or piranhas or something. |
| 16:43.15 | Kill-me | I need Linux advice. |
| 16:43.31 | Kill-me | Could be interesting. |
| 16:43.58 | RyanE | I suggest you kill yourself of old age. |
| 16:44.05 | levi | If the sharks had laser beams, that would be even cooler. |
| 16:44.06 | Kill-me | Already there. |
| 16:44.21 | RyanE | frickin' laser beams... |
| 16:44.21 | Kill-me | Frikin laser beams? |
| 16:44.27 | levi | Indeed. On their foreheads. |
| 16:44.57 | Kill-me | goodbye cruel world. |
| 16:45.02 | levi | Or, you could design a pacemaker that runs windows embedded, and then have it installed in yourself. |
| 16:45.21 | levi | Drat. |
| 17:01.44 | levi | Hmm, looks like circuit tracers start at around $250, and go into the $1k range. |
| 17:01.44 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 17:02.09 | Jayce^_lap | +18? wtf? |
| 17:05.16 | levi | Yow. |
| 17:08.20 | beandog | heh |
| 17:08.22 | beandog | thats a great quit msg. |
| 17:11.07 | findlay | whatever. Day trading is lunacy |
| 17:19.39 | elg | i prefer afternoon trading |
| 17:29.58 | tensai | ~lart lightning |
| 17:29.58 | ibot | overclocks lightning until lightning burns out |
| 17:30.01 | sontek | trading is lunacy! |
| 17:30.11 | sontek | sell sell sell! |
| 17:31.11 | tensai | lightning struck our building and blew up half of our network gear. not cool. :'( |
| 17:33.16 | mheath | They didn't have any safeguards in place for that? |
| 17:33.18 | mheath | O.o |
| 17:37.12 | \me | I'm officially scared |
| 17:37.24 | \me | our sysadmin won't allow me to install screen on my development machine |
| 17:37.43 | nick125 | \me: Why? |
| 17:37.59 | mheath | \me, OK? That's his choice. |
| 17:38.11 | \me | nick125: in his word: |
| 17:38.14 | \me | "I am objecting to further contamination of development servers with extraneous applications that are not on servers at customer sites." |
| 17:38.34 | \me | the thing is this is a development machine, not a staging or production machine |
| 17:38.42 | \me | and I would argue it should be on those servers as well |
| 17:38.51 | \me | I don't think he's ever used screen personally |
| 17:38.56 | \me | or knows what it is |
| 17:39.02 | nick125 | mheath: My grandma wants to use headphones with her TV, but, she's about 10 feet from the TV. I decided to order two extras since I'm paying $4.50 for shipping, it's only a tiny bit more. |
| 17:39.15 | \me | hence why I'm scared |
| 17:39.41 | nick125 | \me: Couldn't you locally compile a copy and put it on the development server in your homedir or something? |
| 17:39.48 | mheath | nick125, You know that with cheap cables like that, you're going to get a lot of distortion going longer distances with them? |
| 17:39.53 | \me | nick125: that would be going against the sysadmin |
| 17:40.01 | \me | otherwise I would |
| 17:41.07 | nick125 | mheath: Yeah, but, it's still better than paying $10 for the same-quality of cable at half the length. |
| 17:41.22 | mheath | BTW |
| 17:41.30 | mheath | They do make wireless headsets :) |
| 17:41.30 | findlay | \me: I really feel sorry for you :( |
| 17:41.45 | findlay | tell your SA he's lame |
| 17:41.57 | mheath | That's smart. |
| 17:42.08 | \me | findlay: I already did :-) |
| 17:42.08 | nick125 | \me: Is there any way of recourse or way to go above the sysadmin? |
| 17:42.24 | \me | nick125: that's what I'm having to do - just sent an e-mail to our VP of Engineering |
| 17:42.53 | nick125 | mheath: Meh, the cheapest ones I could find was $80. |
| 17:43.12 | nick125 | I mean, it's not like you are installing worthless junk on the server. |
| 17:43.23 | findlay | fortunately, not only am I the SA here, but I'm also the programmer |
| 17:43.35 | elg | nick125: next thing you know he'll be wanting to install vim or emacs on there |
| 17:43.44 | findlay | yeah |
| 17:43.51 | nick125 | elg: God forbid that he want to install gcc on there :/ |
| 17:43.53 | findlay | or coreutils |
| 17:43.54 | elg | or something like cscope or ctags or grep |
| 17:44.05 | elg | or sed! |
| 17:44.11 | findlay | no coreutils for you! |
| 17:44.26 | findlay | no bash either |
| 17:44.41 | nick125 | Well, GCC probably isn't on the client servers... |
| 17:44.49 | findlay | you must use an ancient, unsupported version of ksh |
| 17:45.09 | herlo | ~bash findlay |
| 17:45.10 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay with ksh |
| 17:45.25 | nick125 | Anyone here play with zsh? |
| 17:45.34 | herlo | nick125: I have, to a point |
| 17:45.46 | nick125 | herlo: Anything new or awesome? |
| 17:45.55 | herlo | I used to run it solely as my shell for a while back in the early 00's |
| 17:46.04 | herlo | nick125: RPROMPT |
| 17:46.05 | findlay | I heard they want to add klippy to zsh |
| 17:46.19 | mheath | haha |
| 17:46.19 | herlo | ~simpsons findlay |
| 17:46.20 | ibot | ACTION sends findlay chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 17:46.20 | findlay | or whatever |
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| 17:51.14 | \me | you should have seen my troubles to get vim on there |
| 17:51.25 | \me | development machines come stock with vi only :-) |
| 17:51.35 | \me | oh, and gcc was a fight too |
| 17:51.44 | \me | not to mention the mysql development libs |
| 17:51.58 | nick125 | \me: Who needs mysql development libs on a development machine? |
| 17:52.25 | nick125 | Seriously. |
| 17:53.15 | \me | nick125: not me |
| 17:53.21 | \me | write your own! |
| 17:54.33 | findlay | \me: if I were your SA I would let you install whatever you needed to get your job done |
| 17:54.50 | nick125 | findlay: Agreed. |
| 17:54.52 | elg | except nethack |
| 17:54.59 | findlay | including nethack |
| 17:55.20 | findlay | how could any job get done without liberal application of nethack? |
| 17:55.28 | \me | findlay: you want a job? |
| 17:55.36 | findlay | maybe :) |
| 17:55.45 | nick125 | findlay: Except screen and gcc and vim aren't considered tools to "get your job done". I mean, you can still program using echo and compiling programs by hand. |
| 17:56.10 | \me | findlay: not sure you want to be part of this mess |
| 17:56.19 | findlay | where are you at? |
| 17:56.22 | elg | you have a quota? |
| 17:56.27 | elg | disk quota |
| 17:56.35 | \me | findlay: UnitedHealth Group |
| 17:56.40 | findlay | hm |
| 17:56.43 | \me | elg: fortunately, no |
| 17:56.45 | nick125 | elg: Probably 5mb quota. |
| 17:56.49 | findlay | heh |
| 17:56.59 | nick125 | And GCC has to come out of that quota. |
| 17:57.00 | elg | then I'd forget the politics and just compile stuff in --prefix=$HOME |
| 17:57.06 | \me | I have a 137Gb disk quota |
| 17:57.14 | \me | just can't install anything to use that quota |
| 17:57.25 | nick125 | elg: That was my suggestion :-) |
| 17:57.28 | elg | you're not "polluting the system", you're "polluting" your home directory |
| 17:57.34 | findlay | echo stuff > file |
| 17:57.41 | elg | you're not going against the SA, who probably would never know if he doesn't know what screen is |
| 17:57.54 | elg | and even if he did, you didn't mess with the system |
| 17:58.00 | \me | findlay: seriously, you don't want to be part of this mess, but if you're interested I can see if there's an opening for sysadmins |
| 17:58.27 | findlay | \me: probably not. Besides I'm going back to school full time in a month |
| 17:58.32 | \me | well, anyone know where I can find a screen rpm for RHEL 4 by chance? |
| 17:58.44 | \me | you didn't hear I was looking for this rpm btw... |
| 17:58.45 | findlay | try centos |
| 17:58.56 | \me | will the centos rpm work with rhel 4? |
| 17:58.58 | elg | of course that's the real problem, running a distro that doesn't come with decent tools to begin with |
| 17:59.01 | jsmith | \me Of course |
| 17:59.03 | nick125 | \me: It should. |
| 17:59.09 | findlay | installing RPM's in nonstandard locations is tricky though |
| 17:59.20 | jsmith | \me: Or, you could try "up2date -u screen" |
| 17:59.22 | findlay | I would compile it somewhere else and then package it by hand |
| 17:59.23 | elg | and suicidal |
| 17:59.39 | elg | i'd just do ./configure --prefix=$HOME; make; make install |
| 17:59.44 | elg | and adjust your PATH appropriately |
| 18:01.53 | findlay | http://paste.lisp.org/display/45115 |
| 18:02.35 | nick125 | Anyone here have a pylintrc config file that likes tabs? |
| 18:03.29 | nick125 | My code is getting rated at -1.33 because I use tabs and it wants spaces. |
| 18:03.40 | findlay | because I find that simply doing --prefix=~ does not always cover everything |
| 18:05.33 | elg | http://blog.zenspider.com/archives/2007/07/how_irc_feels_too_much_of_the_time.html |
| 18:05.37 | brac | [Polishing Ruby: how irc feels too much of the time] |
| 18:07.26 | nick125 | Yay, changing my pylint file to a bit nicer one got my code rating from -1.31 to 9.81. |
| 18:08.08 | nick125 | elg: So true. |
| 18:14.51 | \me | I may just resort to the source compile - the problem is screen has about 5 dependancies that also aren't on that machine |
| 18:16.44 | elg | true, it's almost as bad as rpm hell |
| 18:23.45 | nick125 | I wish asterisk would quit logging to syslog. It keeps sending re-registration messages to syslog, creating a bunch of log entries. |
| 18:35.12 | Tene | nick125: so turn it off. |
| 18:35.30 | findlay | anybody here know stuff about ntp? |
| 18:35.49 | elg | it synchronizes time |
| 18:35.50 | Tene | A little. |
| 18:36.03 | Tene | Perhaps... more than findlay does? That would be nice. |
| 18:36.07 | findlay | do you know how to debug this one: no reply; clock not set |
| 18:36.16 | Tene | No. D: |
| 18:36.28 | Tene | perhaps watch the network traffic? |
| 18:36.33 | findlay | all the ntp documentation says is "In ntpdate mode no servers have been found. The server(s) and/or network may be down. Standard debugging procedures apply." |
| 18:36.46 | findlay | I'm sure glad I know the standard debugging procedures |
| 18:36.55 | Tene | Can you confirm that the server is up? |
| 18:36.58 | findlay | yup |
| 18:36.58 | Tene | and accessible? |
| 18:37.11 | findlay | I have root access to both client and server |
| 18:37.30 | findlay | trying to make sense of the ntpd logging on each machine |
| 18:38.10 | elg | sounds like you didn't get a reply, and that the clock wasn't set |
| 18:38.48 | findlay | indeed |
| 18:44.27 | findlay | so, from the packet dump, the server isn't sendind any responses at all, hm |
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| 18:49.43 | elg | so the message was accurate |
| 18:49.46 | elg | novelty |
| 18:50.17 | findlay | yes, but I've only been able to verify it, not figure out why or how to fix it |
| 18:52.45 | findlay | should I have expected the message to not be accurate? |
| 18:53.04 | elg | well, you just spent nearly half an hour verifying it |
| 18:53.25 | elg | if you'd just believed it, you would be half an hour into a solution |
| 18:53.39 | findlay | I was doing other stuff at the time too |
| 18:58.21 | findlay | the only instructive message I am able to get from the log is: ignore on (10) fd=25 from 10.0.0.174 |
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| 19:16.40 | rsimpkins | jsmith: pong (long latency) |
| 19:17.23 | jsmith | rsimpkins: No problem... I've forgotten what I needed |
| 19:17.29 | rsimpkins | jsmith: hehe. :) |
| 19:18.27 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I've got an HP Integrity rx7640 sitting at the office to play with. Too cool stuff. |
| 19:18.39 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'm jealous... |
| 19:19.56 | nick125 | findlay: Maybe you didn't adjust your RESTRICT lines? |
| 19:20.07 | findlay | nick125: I commented them all out |
| 19:22.09 | findlay | hm |
| 19:22.27 | findlay | there's a bunch of stale ntp entries in netstat -u |
| 19:22.50 | findlay | netstat -ua |
| 19:24.11 | findlay | actually, it looks like ntp likes to make lots of connections |
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| 19:27.35 | nick125 | I should write a script to convert this C code into python (like for enums or this huge switch I'm converting into python). |
| 19:28.23 | shakes | findlay : there are no sysadmin openings at UHG/Ingenix |
| 19:28.55 | findlay | shakes: you work there? |
| 19:29.05 | shakes | I'm the PITA unix admin |
| 19:29.23 | shakes | that won't let \me install screen |
| 19:31.24 | findlay | heh |
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| 19:37.25 | rsimpkins | who isn't letting who install screen? |
| 19:37.57 | mrpull | rsimpkins: \me |
| 19:38.01 | mrpull | who's on first? |
| 19:38.35 | joey123 | correct |
| 19:38.40 | findlay | nobody |
| 19:39.35 | jsmith | Then who is on second? |
| 19:44.34 | rsimpkins | The classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEaKjRyPjVY |
| 19:47.13 | unum | so correct is on first? |
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| 19:56.34 | tensai | stupid lightning |
| 19:58.13 | \me | we have a narc in our midst trying to get me into trouble :-) |
| 20:01.38 | jsmith | \me: Trouble? You? |
| 20:02.10 | rsimpkins | \me: You can't install screen? |
| 20:03.18 | \me | rsimpkins: I'm going to stay quiet about the whole issue now - someone in here is telling our sysadmin what I'm saying |
| 20:04.19 | jsmith | Next you know, they won't let you run bash... you'll be forced to run c-shell |
| 20:04.34 | findlay | \me: well, if you notice, joey123 has the same hostmask as shakes :) |
| 20:04.43 | rsimpkins | I was just wondering if there is any valid reason not to install screen. |
| 20:05.02 | \me | findlay: joey123 wasn't in here when the whole conversation started - he sent me a whole copy and paste session of someone saying who \me was |
| 20:05.12 | rsimpkins | \me: People read the logs. |
| 20:05.31 | \me | I'm just frustrated - that's all |
| 20:05.40 | rsimpkins | \me: Yeah, I hear ya. |
| 20:05.49 | RyanE | jsmith: When we was young, we didn't have no stinkin' csh. sh was good enough for me, should be good enough for you. |
| 20:06.01 | beandog | rsimpkins: sure, that annoying welcome message. |
| 20:06.10 | rsimpkins | Last place I worked started a no IRC policy. |
| 20:06.38 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Yeah, and the last place I worked... well, never mind :-) |
| 20:09.27 | findlay | RyanE: well when I was young we didn't even have sh. We had s, and it was all we needed |
| 20:09.42 | findlay | :) |
| 20:09.55 | RyanE | findlay: that extra 'h' cost too much... |
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| 20:11.47 | beandog | when I was a kid, we booted our PC off of cartridges. |
| 20:12.32 | tensai | why back when I was young, we edited inodes by hand with a magnet and we liked it |
| 20:13.52 | beandog | alias ls="echo bash: ls: command not found" |
| 20:15.45 | rsimpkins | beandog: hehe. :) |
| 20:15.51 | tensai | beandog: heh. it doesn't cope with arguments though. |
| 20:16.04 | tensai | ls -l: "bash: ls: command not found -l" |
| 20:16.11 | beandog | just add a $1 |
| 20:16.34 | findlay | $@ |
| 20:17.08 | beandog | or that. |
| 20:17.43 | tensai | I think you missed the point. it echos the arguments after the error message. |
| 20:17.57 | tensai | thus giving away the secret |
| 20:18.41 | beandog | oh |
| 20:18.47 | beandog | meh. |
| 20:19.05 | beandog | nick125: did you ever find a cable |
| 20:19.14 | nick125 | beandog: Yeah, ordered a few off amazon |
| 20:19.23 | tensai | still, 'twould be funny to add to somebody's .bashrc |
| 20:19.28 | RyanE | nick125: what was the final cost? includign shipping? |
| 20:19.35 | beandog | amazon++ |
| 20:19.49 | nick125 | RyanE: $15 for three 12 foot cables |
| 20:20.03 | nick125 | ($14.24) |
| 20:21.35 | beandog | did you buy gold-plated monster cables? |
| 20:21.40 | nick125 | beandog: No. |
| 20:21.47 | beandog | everyones network needs a little bling |
| 20:21.55 | RyanE | beandog: Monster Cable would've been $15 / foot. |
| 20:22.20 | nick125 | Why oh why must this be so hard? All I'm trying to do is upload a file to a MTP device. |
| 20:24.39 | beandog | whats that? |
| 20:25.00 | nick125 | media transfer protocol. I'm wrapping libmtp in python/ctypes. |
| 20:25.23 | beandog | O.o |
| 20:26.54 | elg | C++ dark magic question: libSDLmain has main(int, char*[]). My program has main. the usual thing is to let SDL_main.h mangle my main() to be SDL_main(), (which is called from libSDLmain's main()) but I don't want to do that this time |
| 20:27.13 | elg | is there a way to link libSDLmain::main() with a different name and call that? |
| 20:37.48 | findlay | It invloved manually installing the latest ISC ntp by hand though :( |
| 20:39.02 | nick125 | One problem to another. |
| 20:39.03 | nick125 | Error 6: check_if_file_fits(): device storage is full. |
| 20:39.18 | nick125 | Even though gnomad2 says there's 3.5GB free on the device. |
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| 21:09.18 | bonez39 | any known tricks for silencing / cleaning / realigning an increasingly noisy power supply fan? or should i just expect the fan to DIE soon? |
| 21:11.08 | RyanE | you can replace it with a same-sized fan without too much trouble, or just replace the power supply completely. |
| 21:12.21 | RyanE | (assuming you can solder in the first case)... Usually once they start getting loud, there's not much you can do to silence them that will last. |
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| 21:12.41 | nick125 | bonez39: If I were you, I'd replace the PSU. It's probable that the fan will fail soon. |
| 21:12.58 | nick125 | RyanE: It's probably much easier and cheaper (in money and time) to replace it. |
| 21:13.38 | RyanE | nick125: yeah, but he asked for 'tricks'... I've been known to swap out a fan when I didn't have a replacement PS handy... |
| 21:13.57 | bonez39 | I push on back of the fan motor case... and it changes the sound of the motor....last time I replaced a cooling fan...or attempted to...everyone had all sizes except the size I needed....I guess I should just haul my box in when I get a replacement...how much are replacement PS's? |
| 21:14.10 | bonez39 | I should just get a newer and beefier supply.... |
| 21:14.25 | nick125 | bonez39: It depends on the power requirements. |
| 21:14.49 | bonez39 | it's an old machine...I should just check the back of the supply and find out that way... |
| 21:14.55 | bonez39 | just thinking out loud here.. |
| 21:15.01 | nick125 | If you need 400W, probably $30-50. If you need 1200W, probably $350. I'm betting more towards 400W though. |
| 21:15.09 | nick125 | bonez39: It should have it marked somewhere. |
| 21:15.22 | bonez39 | let's say I go away and the fan fails...will the power supply shut down, if the fan is not running, or will it all just overheat and toast my system? |
| 21:15.27 | nick125 | Maybe not on the back of the PSU, but, somewhere. |
| 21:15.37 | bonez39 | yeah, I doubt it's over 400w |
| 21:15.39 | bonez39 | W |
| 21:15.57 | RyanE | some power supplies can take out motherboardsd with them when they fail, but that isn't necessarily correlated with the fan noise. |
| 21:16.13 | RyanE | how long has it been making noise? Does it still spin fairly well? |
| 21:16.29 | bonez39 | I am going to bring my Rainbow over..and blast some air through it... inside and outside..and see if it's just dusty... |
| 21:16.37 | bonez39 | jsut noticed it today, yeah, it spins just fine... |
| 21:16.39 | nick125 | bonez39: It depends on the PSU. I think some/most have some kind of thermal switch that will shutdown when it gets too hot. |
| 21:18.28 | jayce_home | sontek, hey, what your jabber/aim/other? |
| 21:18.34 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 21:18.35 | jayce_home | can't pm :( |
| 21:19.11 | jayce_home | wow, the erlang and haskell courses are quite popular this year |
| 21:21.00 | maquis | ~quote goog |
| 21:21.12 | findlay | they're the hip languages these days |
| 21:21.22 | findlay | don't both of them outdate C? |
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| 21:21.46 | findlay | ~migs Migs |
| 21:21.47 | ibot | ACTION forces Migs to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:22.01 | Migs | ~findlay findlay |
| 21:22.02 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
| 21:33.09 | mheath | This is a completely off topic question, but does anyone here happen to have a Utah Commercial Drivers License or know much about one, who could answer a few questions in private message? |
| 21:34.20 | nick125 | Anyone here have a MTP device? |
| 21:34.29 | bonez39 | mtp? |
| 21:34.38 | bonez39 | multiple transmission protocol? |
| 21:34.51 | nick125 | Media Transfer Protocol (Basically, almost any MP3 player that isn't an iPod) |
| 21:36.48 | tensai | I have one but I'm using mass storage mode instead |
| 21:37.08 | nick125 | :( |
| 21:37.31 | mheath | I've been using and been impressed by Microsoft OneNote lately.. |
| 21:37.51 | unum | I hunted for an mp3 player that would plug in as a usb drive |
| 21:38.01 | mheath | Was wondering if theres an open source equivelent |
| 21:38.03 | unum | and play ogss |
| 21:38.06 | unum | oggs |
| 21:38.12 | nick125 | unum: Look at some of the iriver players. |
| 21:38.13 | unum | and was flash based |
| 21:38.41 | unum | nick125: i got a cohan iaudio all the iriver players used that mtp stuff |
| 21:38.50 | nick125 | Some (Most?) iriver players can be flashed to USB Mass Storage Mode, instead of MTP. |
| 21:39.51 | elg | nick125: my not-ipod is just usb mass storage |
| 21:40.16 | nick125 | Darn. |
| 21:40.22 | unum | can that be done with the models that play oggs? |
| 21:42.15 | nick125 | I think the iriver Clix 2 can play oggs, and it can be converted to UMS. |
| 21:42.33 | elg | mine plays ogg |
| 21:42.40 | elg | it's not an iRiver though |
| 21:42.42 | elg | samsung yepp |
| 21:43.24 | nick125 | Meh, I've kept away from Samsuck ever since I had experience with a x495. |
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| 21:49.46 | unum | I think that model is more recent than my purchase |
| 21:50.30 | nick125 | I was going to get an iriver clix but, they were out of it, so, I got the creative zen v plus. Just to think, if I got the clix, I'd never had to deal with MTP. And I would have never had the desire to wrap libmtp in python. |
| 21:53.43 | sontek | jayce_home: jabber is sontek@gmail.com |
| 21:53.54 | sontek | jayce_home: my phone is 801-815-9567 |
| 21:53.57 | sontek | jayce_home: yours? |
| 21:55.36 | jayce_home | jayce.hall@gmail you show as offline though |
| 22:04.54 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
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| 22:10.24 | nick125 | Yay, I think I'm almost ready to release the first working version of my libmtp wrapper. |
| 22:10.49 | findlay | ~trade maquis |
| 22:11.25 | findlay | ibot: trade $maquis is <action> trades $maquis up for a paper clip |
| 22:11.26 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 22:12.27 | findlay | ~trade amzn |
| 22:12.27 | ibot | ACTION trades amzn up for a paper clip |
| 22:12.57 | herlo | findlay: its klippy |
| 22:13.02 | findlay | how many paper clips is amazon worth? |
| 22:13.08 | herlo | one |
| 22:13.13 | bonez39 | I printed several letters Monday...I don't want to resend the same letter... I use CUPS...will the print job archive...show, with any detail, i.e., by file name if i did indeed already print a certain letter? |
| 22:13.13 | findlay | ~convert amzn to paper clips |
| 22:14.33 | findlay | ~wiki fermi question |
| 22:30.36 | tensai | I put RockBox on my Sansa and now it plays ogg and mpeg |
| 22:30.48 | tensai | and it plays Frozen Bubble :D |
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| 22:41.28 | nick125 | Yay, I finally released the first version of my library. |
| 22:47.53 | beandog | tensai: frozen bubble? now Im really inspired. |
| 22:48.39 | tensai | beandog: mine doesn't connect over usb in Rockbox, so I have to use the original firmware to copy files. it's a bit annoying. |
| 22:48.50 | tensai | but it also has Sudoku |
| 22:48.50 | beandog | meh. |
| 22:49.20 | tensai | it pretends to connect, but the device refuses the assigned ID, or something |
| 22:49.39 | tensai | dunno if that's specific to the sansa or to rockbox |
| 22:52.06 | beandog | and their socialized medicine |
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| 22:57.20 | nick125 | If anyone here has a mtp device, please test my library: http://nick125.com/smedia/pymtp/pymtp-0.0.1.tar.gz |
| 22:57.57 | nick125 | Usually running test.py should be enough. |
| 23:00.02 | nick125 | I forgot to write an INSTALL file, it's simple: run python setup.py install |
| 23:00.13 | nick125 | (if you want to install the library, else, just run test.py) |
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| 23:08.12 | Supaplex | mtp devices like what? |
| 23:08.41 | nick125_treo | Supaplex: mp3 players that aren't usb mass storage devices. |
| 23:09.17 | Supaplex | ah. none here. well, cept for the dvd player |
| 23:09.45 | nick125_treo | Most creative mp3 players, most iriver mp3 players (by default) |
| 23:10.31 | nick125_treo | and a bunch of others |
| 23:11.02 | Supaplex | I have a cheap piece of junk 128mb usb stick. takes one AAA battery |
| 23:11.26 | nick125_treo | that's probably ums (usb mass storage) |
| 23:11.39 | Supaplex | I like the 12" video iPod the best though. 120gb hdd. |
| 23:11.58 | nick125_treo | Supaplex: haha |
| 23:14.42 | Supaplex | :> |
| 23:15.21 | nick125_treo | can you share songs over wifi with your 12" video ipod? |
| 23:16.06 | Supaplex | i dunno |
| 23:16.21 | Supaplex | I just play them to my nearby receiver |
| 23:16.26 | Supaplex | headphone jack |
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| 23:16.58 | Shadowwire | Hey |
| 23:17.13 | Supaplex | hi |
| 23:17.35 | Shadowwire | anyone here familiar with server 2003 DHCP? |
| 23:18.02 | Supaplex | just dhcp3 |
| 23:18.14 | Shadowwire | I dont know what that is. |
| 23:18.48 | Shadowwire | is dhcp3 some Linux thing? |
| 23:19.02 | Supaplex | it's from the isc afaik |
| 23:19.10 | Shadowwire | Oh great. |
| 23:19.13 | Supaplex | it'll run in linux, freebsd, solaris, aix |
| 23:19.24 | Supaplex | macos x |
| 23:19.39 | Shadowwire | now what is isc afaik, and macos x? |
| 23:19.40 | Supaplex | plan9 (I bet), others etc. |
| 23:19.54 | Shadowwire | now your just trying to confuse me. |
| 23:19.56 | Supaplex | mac os x is www.apple.com |
| 23:20.14 | Shadowwire | ah... I have heard of os-x |
| 23:20.18 | beandog | Shadowwire: the real question is, what are you trying to accomplish |
| 23:21.03 | Shadowwire | well, I would like to change my address pool, however it wont let me change it. |
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| 23:26.54 | nick125_treo | I'm wondering if I can get a win32 box to test pymtp on.. |
| 23:27.37 | Shadowwire | supaplex: Later |
| 23:28.46 | chadbryant | I'm wondering what the lowest-end PC you could get Ubuntu (or Xubuntu, in this case) running on is |
| 23:29.09 | chadbryant | I really shouldn't have thrown out that Pentium Pro 233 that was lying around |
| 23:29.38 | nick125_treo | bbl |
| 23:30.30 | beandog | I wanna install Gentoo on a 486 |
| 23:30.58 | beandog | I dont even know where you'd find a 486 these days. |
| 23:31.07 | chadbryant | I had a friend in CA whose dad was constantly buying surplus lots from school districts |
| 23:31.24 | chadbryant | he'd get weird stuff like pallets of P-166 boxes |
| 23:32.55 | chadbryant | you figure that junk that was bought eight-ten years ago winds up going somewhere |
| 23:34.40 | Shadowwire | I have about a dozen boards and 30 proccesors older than p4 in boxes in my shop |
| 23:34.57 | Shadowwire | Cant give the stuff away. |
| 23:35.20 | chadbryant | hoiw old are we taling? |
| 23:35.25 | chadbryant | er, talking |
| 23:35.35 | Supaplex | ~burp |
| 23:35.35 | ibot | ACTION burps loudly |
| 23:37.40 | Supaplex | I have some geode NSC SoC machines. 300mhz 64mb ram, 1 pci/isa slot, shared mem vga, 2 serial, 1 lpt, 2 usb 2.0 |
| 23:38.31 | Supaplex | oh, and sb clone to |
| 23:38.58 | chadbryant | pardon me for not knowing what kind of machines those are |
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| 23:41.52 | Shadowwire | Yea, no idia |
| 23:42.20 | Supaplex | embeded x86 system-on-a-chip (SoC) |
| 23:42.34 | Supaplex | it runs so cool, there's no fans anywhere |
| 23:43.04 | Shadowwire | thats cool. (no pun intended) |
| 23:43.06 | chadbryant | can someone take their preferred flavor of Linux and install it with little or no difficulty? |
| 23:43.19 | sontek | ofcourse! |
| 23:43.45 | chadbryant | I admittedly have zero experience with SoC systems |
| 23:44.14 | Supaplex | have you heard of OLPC? |
| 23:44.43 | chadbryant | One Laptop Per Child? |
| 23:44.52 | Supaplex | yup |
| 23:45.01 | chadbryant | yeah |
| 23:45.08 | chadbryant | which I think is an awesome idea |
| 23:45.09 | Supaplex | it's using an SoC design |
| 23:45.15 | chadbryant | oh, OK |
| 23:47.18 | chadbryant | I like the apparent trend that's brewing |
| 23:47.37 | chadbryant | where people are trying to see what they can do with the least expense involved |
| 23:54.42 | beandog | I think thats called minimum wage. :) |
| 23:54.49 | chadbryant | lol |