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| 03:00.47 | levi_home | Good evening. :) |
| 03:00.58 | graphyx | hi |
| 03:01.26 | levi_home | Man, I need a desk in here. |
| 03:01.46 | graphyx | whats wrong |
| 03:01.50 | graphyx | laptop too hot? |
| 03:03.14 | levi_home | No, my desktop has no desk. |
| 03:03.36 | graphyx | oh |
| 03:03.41 | graphyx | that does make a differenc. |
| 03:04.38 | mheath | Heh. I used to have a desktop with no case, and no desk.. |
| 03:05.36 | chadbryant | I need to find someone giving away an older desktop |
| 03:05.42 | chadbryant | Pentium II or newer |
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| 03:09.28 | mheath | chadbryant, Sure. |
| 03:09.31 | mheath | I have one |
| 03:09.37 | mheath | Pentium III 450Mhz system |
| 03:09.57 | mheath | Not sure I'm willing to 'give it away', but I'd part with it for $20. |
| 03:10.54 | mheath | I have another 1Ghz Celeron system, but there's something wrong with it. Ran out of time to troubleshoot it before I left for boot in December, and haven't bothered messing with it since I've been back |
| 03:11.00 | mheath | I think it might have just been a dead RAM stick, though |
| 03:22.37 | graphyx | anyone else having netflix show a maintenance screen? |
| 03:22.58 | elg | what if I said no? |
| 03:24.00 | graphyx | I wouldn't have learned anything more. |
| 03:24.07 | chadbryant | well, "giving away" can include "for a dirt-cheap price" |
| 03:27.06 | findlay | hello |
| 03:27.22 | findlay | are there really other people in here? |
| 03:27.31 | chadbryant | *raises hand* |
| 03:27.31 | findlay | hello? |
| 03:28.06 | findlay | isn't modern technology so amazing? |
| 03:28.11 | findlay | ~amaze |
| 03:28.17 | findlay | ~amaze brac |
| 03:28.20 | findlay | boring |
| 03:28.39 | findlay | ~entertain brac |
| 03:28.40 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for brac's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
| 03:28.55 | findlay | -chat about juggling skill |
| 03:29.03 | findlay | heh |
| 03:29.13 | mheath | I feel entertained. |
| 03:29.21 | findlay | guaranteed to entertain |
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| 03:52.16 | Zelut | Jayce^: ping |
| 04:04.45 | goozbach | http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/1938.jpg |
| 04:04.56 | goozbach | great prank to play in a bar |
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| 04:27.12 | mheath | chadbryant, in case you missed my earlier comment (I see you got disconnected), I do have a computer for $20. |
| 04:27.17 | mheath | Pentium III, 450Mhz. |
| 04:28.06 | chadbryant | OK |
| 04:28.19 | chadbryant | with or without monitor? |
| 04:28.28 | mheath | No monitor, sorry |
| 04:28.36 | chadbryant | well, I have an extra monitor |
| 04:28.45 | mheath | Well, I do have a Sun CRT monitor (if you want to buy an adapter somwhere..) |
| 04:28.55 | elg | i have a monitor you can have if you get me a flat screen |
| 04:28.58 | chadbryant | left over from taking down my dual-monitor display |
| 04:29.44 | mheath | ooh, I love this menu bar mod! It's so...cool! |
| 04:29.59 | levi_home | Menu bar mod? |
| 04:30.02 | mheath | Pity it doesn't work with Firefox, though. |
| 04:30.24 | elg | levi_home: perhaps his monitor has a menu bar |
| 04:30.25 | levi_home | Hmm, it seems my house only has two phone jacks in the house and one in the garage. |
| 04:30.32 | elg | you do it with tinfoil and a sharpie |
| 04:30.35 | mheath | levi, A patch for GTK and gnome-panel that puts menubars on the gnome panel instead of in the individual applications |
| 04:30.55 | levi_home | mheath: Interesting. Qt and KDE have done that for a long time. |
| 04:31.07 | mheath | You can see it in my screenshot I posted earlier, but its a bad example as the active application (gnome-screenshot) doesn't have a menuabar |
| 04:32.12 | mheath | I also found a really cool toolbar |
| 04:32.16 | levi_home | The phone is wired with cat-5, too. |
| 04:32.17 | mheath | Avant Window Navigator |
| 04:32.42 | mheath | ugh, I gotta go to sleep soon |
| 04:32.54 | mheath | I get to get up and pretend like I have a clue what I'm doing for a bunch of people |
| 04:35.43 | elg | levi_home: that's not so bad |
| 04:36.00 | elg | in fact, if I were wiring a house I'd wire the phones with cat5 |
| 04:36.32 | elg | twisted pair is so yesterday. just like the houses that were wired without ground (two-prong sockets) |
| 04:36.47 | chadbryant | I'd run at least two lines of CAT5 to each room you want phone or internet in |
| 04:36.51 | elg | and today have to use those silly adapters everywhere (and give up the safety) |
| 04:37.22 | elg | you can plug rj45 plugs into cat5 sockets, even |
| 04:38.19 | mheath | Thats an interesting question...I was wondering that |
| 04:38.27 | mheath | If you were wiring the 'house of the future', how would you wire it? |
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| 04:38.45 | mheath | If you wanted to maximize its compatability and upgradability for as far into the future as possible |
| 04:38.45 | elg | I wouldn't do it to my favorite cat5 socket, because I'm not sure it wouldn't bend the pins out of shape after some use that way |
| 04:39.27 | elg | but you can save effort/thought, and futureproof, by going straight cat5 everywhere |
| 04:39.50 | elg | of course you could always put rj45 plugs and just dangle the extra wires too. |
| 04:40.05 | elg | mheath: hint: don't make every room a faraday cage |
| 04:40.29 | mheath | heh. |
| 04:40.37 | elg | i worked in a building like that |
| 04:40.48 | mheath | elg, My barracks in SC was like that |
| 04:40.49 | elg | I had a window and everything, but couldn't pick up even a single FM station |
| 04:40.57 | mheath | I tried to share my internet with a roomate two rooms down |
| 04:40.57 | elg | (springville) |
| 04:41.11 | mheath | It was like 30 feet away, two walls, and you didn't get reception |
| 04:41.24 | mheath | You opened the door to outside in both rooms, and it instantly jumped up to 100% |
| 04:41.52 | elg | well at least you could lounge around without your tinfoil hat |
| 04:43.27 | mheath | Wow |
| 04:43.43 | mheath | Ubuntu detected and handled my camera's memory card better than Windows :) |
| 04:44.25 | mheath | I love this camera. One of my best investments. |
| 04:44.38 | mheath | Very high quality, yet low cost, easy to use, and versatile |
| 04:44.40 | mheath | ~praise Nikon |
| 04:44.40 | ibot | All hail Nikon! |
| 04:44.52 | chadbryant | ~praise Ubuntu |
| 04:44.53 | ibot | All hail Ubuntu! |
| 04:45.48 | levi_home | elg: The phone cat5 isn't set up so that it can be used as anything other than phone line, though. |
| 04:46.59 | levi_home | mheath: Google search for 'structured wiring' to see how you'd future-proof your home wiring. |
| 04:49.07 | mheath | chadbryant, pics at http://www.mtheath.net/computer/ |
| 04:49.13 | mheath | oops, meant to private message that. |
| 04:49.37 | chadbryant | ooh, someone might see these HOT pics! |
| 04:50.08 | chadbryant | awesome, a Win98 license! |
| 04:50.19 | chadbryant | my HP box still has the WinME license sticker |
| 04:50.39 | mheath | ha |
| 04:51.00 | mheath | Win98SE, even |
| 04:51.17 | chadbryant | I ran Win98SE until 2004 |
| 04:52.12 | mheath | Um, wow.. |
| 04:52.50 | chadbryant | then I bought an HP Pavilion 6735 |
| 04:52.57 | chadbryant | came with said ME license |
| 04:53.04 | chadbryant | but I installed Win2K |
| 04:53.10 | mheath | ME was horrible |
| 04:53.15 | mheath | I'm glad it was very short lived |
| 04:53.25 | mheath | My dad was slow to upgrade; XP came out not too long after we got ME |
| 04:54.18 | chadbryant | Vista is turning out to be the latter-day ME, IMO |
| 04:54.28 | chadbryant | just a placeholder edition |
| 04:54.48 | mheath | Meh |
| 04:54.50 | mheath | It's decent though |
| 04:54.58 | mheath | Its a placeholder, but its not as utterly horrible and broken as ME was |
| 04:55.02 | chadbryant | tweaking 98SE and creating 98 Third Edition would have been better than ME |
| 04:55.09 | elg | levi_home: how do you mean? it's either cat5 or it's not. worst case you strip the ends and put on cat5 sockets |
| 04:55.17 | mheath | chadbryant, Well, technically, thats what ME was. |
| 04:55.18 | elg | of course, you'd have to plug it into a switch somewhere |
| 04:55.23 | mheath | They just did a horrible, hurried job of it |
| 04:55.44 | mheath | ME was a direct descendant of 98SE |
| 04:55.54 | findlay | if I were wiring a house I'd wire it with optical cable! |
| 04:56.13 | findlay | and wireless power! |
| 04:56.21 | mheath | Which solar collectors hooked to each outlet to power it! |
| 04:58.29 | mheath | findlay is channeling Nikola Tesla... |
| 04:58.57 | findlay | how did you know I stole his top secret papers from Los Alamos?! |
| 04:59.41 | mheath | findlay has one of these in his back yard to power his house... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower |
| 05:03.07 | mheath | findlay, What does Tesla have to do with Los Alamos? :P |
| 05:03.34 | findlay | mheath: didn't you know that the government seized all of Tesla's work when he died? |
| 05:04.02 | mheath | No. |
| 05:04.19 | mheath | Most of his work is either common sense or known to be completely wishful thinking |
| 05:06.35 | findlay | that's what you think ... |
| 05:06.50 | chadbryant | http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/tesla.htm |
| 05:06.54 | brac | [Federal Bureau of Investigation - Freedom of Information Privacy Act] |
| 05:07.34 | findlay | heh |
| 05:24.56 | chadbryant | ping |
| 05:32.59 | mheath | What a worthless link |
| 05:33.08 | mheath | I read through a bit of that Tesla FOIA stuff |
| 05:33.22 | mheath | Its just page after page of people sending in requests for Tesla's stuff and getting a reply back saying the FBI doesn't have it |
| 05:35.56 | chadbryant | the FBI "doesn't have it" = "think you're getting this shit? fat chance" |
| 05:37.51 | mheath | Heh |
| 05:38.00 | mheath | They apparently got tired of the letters |
| 05:38.07 | mheath | They used the same canned response for over 30 years, apparently.. |
| 05:40.36 | mheath | chadbryant, uh, FBI denied giving any materials to a USAF research team who made a classified request for stuff :P |
| 05:40.59 | chadbryant | of course they denied it |
| 05:41.05 | chadbryant | on paper |
| 05:45.23 | mheath | chadbryant, Theres also a letter from Tesla's Nephew who says that all of Tesla's property (which he personally reviewed RIGHT after his death) are now in a museum in Europe. |
| 05:45.37 | mheath | Except for a commemorative solid gold coin. |
| 05:45.59 | chadbryant | his nephew stated that he retrieved some of Tesla's belongings |
| 05:51.35 | mheath | lmao, I love FOIA requests |
| 05:51.40 | mheath | Heres a page thats almost netirely blacked out |
| 05:52.01 | mheath | Except for the phrase " been interviewed on various occasions" |
| 06:03.36 | mheath | haha |
| 06:03.40 | mheath | http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200707/error'd/driver_install.jpg |
| 06:05.01 | chadbryant | ex, screw Wine - it's not rendering Xnews properly anyway |
| 06:06.38 | mheath | Well |
| 06:06.51 | mheath | Theres some cool tutorials on running newer versions of windows seamlessly in Ubuntu |
| 06:06.59 | mheath | You run it in a VM, then use RDC to connect and display windows from it |
| 06:10.57 | findlay | I don't need VM's or even WM's. I use <insert favorite ridiculous'y low level interface here> |
| 06:11.10 | findlay | s/'/l/g |
| 06:14.17 | findlay | besides, mheath, it's not Tesla's property that is in question, it's his research |
| 06:14.48 | mheath | meh |
| 06:14.52 | mheath | FBI denies either |
| 06:15.10 | mheath | apparently some of the later docs say that they found out the Navy Bureau of Research went in and made copies of everything, but never took it |
| 06:15.19 | mheath | And apparently even they decided it wasn't worth anything |
| 06:15.27 | findlay | Tesla invented everything from now until the end of the world |
| 06:15.46 | findlay | the FBI only reveals stuff until it gets reinvented |
| 06:16.35 | mheath | http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200706/lv-night.jpg LMAO |
| 06:17.34 | findlay | like some ultimate weapon capable of both simultaneously destroying the universe and calculating all possible anagrams in the complete works of Shakespeare |
| 06:18.39 | chadbryant | Qemu seems to be working great thus far |
| 06:20.08 | findlay | -metar kpvu |
| 06:20.09 | brac | KPVU 240555Z 05004KT 10SM CLR 22/13 A3006 RMK AO1 52020 |
| 06:20.14 | mheath | http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200705/error'd/channel5.jpg |
| 06:20.16 | mheath | haha |
| 06:27.44 | chadbryant | almost as good as a BSOD on one of those huge screens |
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| 14:13.25 | goozbach | good morning #UTAH! |
| 14:15.03 | mheath | Morning goozbach |
| 14:15.13 | mheath | #Utah is _The_ place! |
| 14:15.19 | mheath | Sorry, couldn't resist that one.. |
| 14:17.31 | Hhhhh | helloooo!!! |
| 14:17.39 | Hhhhh | ok, question!!!! |
| 14:17.53 | mheath | ok, ask!!!! |
| 14:17.54 | Hhhhh | I want to set up a small proxy |
| 14:18.04 | Hhhhh | running squid or firehol |
| 14:18.08 | Hhhhh | or whatev |
| 14:18.29 | Hhhhh | the idea is run DansGuardian on it and then make my router go through it |
| 14:18.44 | elg | transparent or configured? |
| 14:18.55 | Hhhhh | I have 2-3 computers at home and I want dansguardian filtering on a different machine that applies to all |
| 14:18.59 | elg | (hint, configured is easier to set up, and easier to circumvent) |
| 14:19.10 | Hhhhh | no hardcore hackers behind that proxy |
| 14:19.36 | elg | if you can just set the proxy in the browser preferences on your computers, that's going to be easiest |
| 14:19.52 | elg | if people are liable to notice that and change it, then you'd have to go with transparent |
| 14:20.02 | Hhhhh | would it be possible to make this setup: cable -> box running proxy and Dansguardian -> wireless router -> other boxes that need filtering |
| 14:20.28 | Hhhhh | well, people will have admin access to their machines, so that's why I want the filtering done on a proxy |
| 14:20.50 | elg | well, you're saying that's why you want a transparent proxy |
| 14:21.07 | elg | filtering is always done on a proxy unless it's a firefox extension or something |
| 14:21.12 | Hhhhh | I guess, again, I'm not familiar with this. Not scared of learning, I just need to get the big picture first |
| 14:21.37 | Hhhhh | if you all help me understand the big picture, then I can go off and google or RTFM |
| 14:21.53 | elg | A proxy is a middle box that takes requests and forwards them on. initially for getting around firewalls and stuff |
| 14:21.54 | Hhhhh | F was for fuzzy btw |
| 14:22.01 | mheath | Hhhhh, Yes, you can do the filtering setup you mentioned earlier. Thats no problem. |
| 14:22.22 | mheath | Hhhhh, What elg is saying is, you have a choice. Theres two ways to setup a proxy: Transparent or configured. |
| 14:22.40 | elg | so you can either concsiously use a proxy (browser config), or you can have one forced upon you |
| 14:22.55 | mheath | Transparent means the router is configured to filter/proxy all traffic. But it's transparent - computers on the network think they're connecting just like they normally would be. They can't tell the difference |
| 14:22.57 | elg | the latter is a transparent proxy |
| 14:23.08 | mheath | Only difference is, the router is configurating things behind the scenes. |
| 14:23.16 | mheath | s/configurating/filtering/g |
| 14:23.25 | Hhhhh | so, configured means that I set up the proxy on the web browser, while transparent runs on the network and the box isn't even aware of the proxing? |
| 14:23.37 | mheath | Hhhhh, Yep. |
| 14:23.38 | Hhhhh | gotcha |
| 14:23.42 | Hhhhh | ok, I want transparent |
| 14:23.47 | elg | setting up a transparent proxy involves configuring your firewall to redirect outbound http traffic to your proxy (except traffic coming _from_ the proxy of course) |
| 14:23.54 | Hhhhh | which proxy software would you recomment? |
| 14:24.03 | Hhhhh | would squid be a good option? |
| 14:24.07 | elg | only really aware of squid |
| 14:24.07 | Hhhhh | or firehol? |
| 14:24.28 | elg | squid would be the most commonly used |
| 14:25.22 | Hhhhh | any of you played with squid? I want to know how resource-intensive it is |
| 14:25.57 | elg | that depends on your traffic |
| 14:26.41 | elg | i can't imagine even a badly-written proxy having performance issues for 2-3 computers with humans on them |
| 14:26.48 | Hhhhh | this is the thing: I have a spare Athlon XP 2000+ with 512Mb RAM that I intended to use for MythTV. I want to know if I could run both MythTV and squid on the same box 1) without introducing network latency (some of the boxes in the LAN are used for playing online FPS games) and 2) without making MythTV run like crap |
| 14:26.57 | elg | a badly-written fliter, perhaps... |
| 14:26.58 | Hhhhh | would the machine be fine? |
| 14:27.37 | Hhhhh | by introducing network latency I mean, not <<noticeable>> network latency (a few ms is ok) |
| 14:27.48 | Hhhhh | 20 ms, well, that's bad |
| 14:28.00 | Hhhhh | 3-4 ms, ok |
| 14:28.26 | elg | well, I don't run squid, but I do run dns, mail, ldap, jabber, web, a couple rails apps, ntp, smb, and who knows what else |
| 14:28.31 | elg | on my freevo box |
| 14:28.48 | elg | no latency for the proxy for games |
| 14:28.51 | elg | unless they're using http |
| 14:29.07 | elg | which they might, but not for stuff that you'd care about latency |
| 14:30.12 | Hhhhh | so, UT2004 could run fine on one of the in-LAN machines, and still the proxy could run MythTV fine? |
| 14:30.46 | elg | probably. not familiar with ut2004 or mythtv first-hand, but the theory implies it |
| 14:31.49 | elg | the one thing to worry about is squid's memory usage. I can see that getting to a hurtful place for myth |
| 14:33.17 | elg | for that matter, it can get to a hurtful place for squid too. :) web browsing latency can really suffer when squid is caching stuff in what it thinks is ram but is really swap space |
| 14:33.26 | elg | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/02/12/squid.html point 3 |
| 14:33.47 | elg | I've had squid memory problems in an office with 100 or so computers |
| 14:33.49 | brac | [ONLamp.com -- Six Things First-Time Squid Administrators Should Know] |
| 14:34.33 | Hhhhh | is it possible to make squid not cache stuff? |
| 14:34.45 | Hhhhh | or to preempt it very often? |
| 14:35.04 | Hhhhh | I don't want it as a web cache, it just so I can run dansguardian through the content |
| 14:35.07 | elg | that article describes the various memory-related configuration params |
| 14:36.47 | elg | and when you get it all working great, you'll realize that not all http traffic is over port 80, and that you can't really proxy https (you're the man in the middle see) |
| 14:36.54 | elg | but it might be good enough |
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| 15:30.15 | mheath | Hey, anyone familiar with the silly parade path? |
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| 15:30.31 | mheath | Will I run into any difficulties driving up 4th south off of I-15 in 30 about an hour? |
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| 15:31.17 | elg | parse error |
| 15:32.13 | elg | if you follow traffic laws I think you'll have no trouble driving down that street |
| 15:34.28 | mheath | That road isn't blocked / etc? |
| 15:34.41 | mheath | Sorry if thats a stupid question; I have no idea where the parade route is. |
| 15:34.52 | elg | http://www.udot.utah.gov/knowwhereknowwhy/ |
| 15:35.01 | elg | oh, it's the 24th |
| 15:35.08 | elg | i'd avoid salt lake altogether :) |
| 15:38.05 | mheath | Starts at South Temple and Main Street, so I should be OK, I think. |
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| 15:57.59 | mheath | OK, I'm off. Have a good day, everyone. |
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| 16:58.24 | Supaplex | tastes like chicken |
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| 18:09.59 | Jayce^_lap | heh.. levi would be loving it here.. MJD was just going on about FP and breaking the von neumann (sp?) architecture.. |
| 18:10.13 | Tene | Where is Jayce? |
| 18:10.40 | Jayce^_lap | Tene, Oscon... (don't you read the planet, or more specifically my blog? :) ) |
| 18:10.47 | sontek | where all the cool people are! |
| 18:10.58 | Jayce^_lap | sontek, weren't you driving up today? |
| 18:11.16 | sontek | yeap |
| 18:11.22 | Jayce^_lap | when do you leave? |
| 18:11.33 | Jayce^_lap | 11 - 12 hour drive ahead of you.. |
| 18:11.34 | sontek | im on i5 s now |
| 18:11.38 | Jayce^_lap | dont' want to be tired.. |
| 18:11.39 | Jayce^_lap | ahhh.. |
| 18:11.44 | Jayce^_lap | paying attention to the road :) |
| 18:11.57 | Jayce^_lap | i5 though? already here then? |
| 18:12.00 | sontek | a little bit |
| 18:12.00 | Tene | Jayce^_lap: I've been busy teaching class... haven't looked at the planet in a few days. |
| 18:12.10 | Jayce^_lap | Tene, blah blah blah.. |
| 18:12.15 | Tene | Jayce^_lap: exactly. |
| 18:14.57 | sontek | gl is ruining the community! |
| 18:15.53 | Tene | sontek: when have I ever contributed to the community before? |
| 18:15.56 | elg | as in opengl or guru labs? |
| 18:16.02 | sontek | anyone use pssh on treo? i need to use alt but it brings up a dialog |
| 18:16.16 | Tene | sontek: I so. |
| 18:16.27 | Tene | elg: the latter. |
| 18:16.27 | Tene | s/so/do/ |
| 18:16.39 | Tene | sontek: don't use the alt on the keyboard. |
| 18:17.01 | Tene | press esc on the on-screen keyboard or press the center button once. |
| 18:17.11 | Tene | esc,key is the same as alt+key |
| 18:18.48 | sontek | i need it to switch screens |
| 18:18.50 | sontek | imdriving onscreen is hard |
| 18:21.21 | sontek | someone needs to make a driving friendly interface for screen and ssh |
| 18:21.49 | elg | it's called the off button |
| 18:22.52 | sontek | treo doesnt have an off, they were thinking ahead |
| 18:33.40 | Tene | sontek: middle button, a, middle button, a |
| 18:34.24 | Tene | The hardware button in the center of the directional buttons. |
| 18:48.52 | sontek | tene thanks |
| 18:50.04 | Tene | np |
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| 19:10.40 | Tene | http://apcmag.com/6759/interview_with_con_kolivas_part_1_computing_is_boring -- very interesting. |
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| 19:44.27 | Supaplex | but is says boring |
| 19:59.46 | \me | anyone know if there is a way within vim itself to copy the current file to another location on the filesystem? |
| 20:00.02 | \me | I hear that's possible in emacs |
| 20:00.11 | elg | :w newfile |
| 20:00.38 | elg | or, if you want to be editing the new file instead of the old afterwards, |
| 20:00.40 | elg | :file newfile |
| 20:00.41 | elg | :w |
| 20:01.00 | \me | ah - very nice, didn't think of that |
| 20:01.19 | \me | or, didn't know about it either |
| 20:01.32 | \me | any way of scp'ing the contents elsewhere? |
| 20:02.08 | elg | :help scp |
| 20:02.45 | elg | or there's always :!scp % somewhereelse:foo |
| 20:02.56 | tensai | :file, that's cool |
| 20:03.14 | \me | no way - that's awesome |
| 20:03.15 | tensai | half the time I end up overwriting my original file when I :w to a different name |
| 20:03.28 | \me | I just saved myself a ton of effort - thanks |
| 20:03.42 | \me | plus I can look cool to the emacs guys |
| 20:04.02 | RyanE | because you can do 'save as', you look cool to emacs guys? Heh. |
| 20:04.16 | RyanE | apparently, emacs guys don't require much to be impressed. :) |
| 20:04.20 | \me | can't 'save as' via scp in many apps |
| 20:04.35 | \me | I know it's possible in emacs, but now I can do it in vim |
| 20:06.41 | \me | looks like :Nwrite will be my new friend |
| 20:12.46 | goozbach | just give me caffiene |
| 20:12.51 | goozbach | STAT! |
| 20:12.57 | goozbach | my brain is slow |
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| 20:15.59 | goozbach | NOOO!!!! |
| 20:16.26 | RyanE | he's melllllting!!!!! |
| 20:16.30 | elg | dandelion tea that is |
| 20:16.44 | elg | ~spell dandilon |
| 20:16.47 | goozbach | I need BAWLS |
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| 20:17.19 | jayce_home | goozbach, you said it... |
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| 20:33.03 | elg | Jayce^_lap: are you commuting from home? :) |
| 20:37.45 | Jayce^_lap | quick commute |
| 21:16.26 | goozbach | bind experts, I need some help |
| 21:16.42 | goozbach | WTH won't this work? |
| 21:16.56 | goozbach | I've got a zone with the following: |
| 21:17.22 | goozbach | sales IN NS ns1.sales.qbang.net. |
| 21:17.47 | goozbach | ns1.sales.qbang.net. IN A 192.168.0.7 |
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| 21:18.30 | goozbach | and the second server, the one located at 0.7 has the correct zone info, because host returns correctly when I ask about the subdomain directly |
| 21:18.51 | goozbach | however if I try to do it against this server it doesn't work |
| 21:18.56 | goozbach | any ideas why? |
| 21:19.46 | elg | "this server"? |
| 21:21.51 | goozbach | the one which is delegating |
| 21:22.06 | goozbach | which has the zone shown above |
| 21:25.43 | elg | delegation is a nice piece of the puzzle to know |
| 21:25.55 | elg | give us a high-level description of what's going on |
| 21:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't suppose any of this is public DNS? |
| 21:26.32 | goozbach | sorry |
| 21:26.35 | goozbach | nope |
| 21:26.39 | sinuhe | If ns1.sales is an alias to sales, shouldn't sales have the IN A, and ns1 the NS? |
| 21:26.47 | goozbach | ok let me start again |
| 21:27.22 | goozbach | machine one is authoritavie for the qbang.net zone |
| 21:27.42 | goozbach | and every other record in that zone resolves correctly |
| 21:28.27 | goozbach | I am attempting to delegate the domain sales.qbang.net to machine two which has an ip address of 192.168.0.7 |
| 21:28.58 | goozbach | the records on machine two resolve correctly when you query machine two directly |
| 21:29.31 | goozbach | eg running "host www.sales.qbang.net 192.168.0.7" works just fine |
| 21:29.38 | sinuhe | By directly do mean from itself? |
| 21:30.25 | sinuhe | Or from machine one? |
| 21:30.27 | elg | i think he means when he does 'dig @192.168.0.7 foo.sales.qbang.net' |
| 21:30.45 | goozbach | but when you try to do the same with the delegation... eg running "host www.sales.qbang.net from machine one, which uses itself for resolution, it doesn't work |
| 21:30.49 | goozbach | I get a NXDOMAIN |
| 21:30.58 | goozbach | elg: exactly |
| 21:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/71271 |
| 21:31.29 | goozbach | what I'm asking is, is there something wrong with my NS record? |
| 21:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how it should be setup to make that work |
| 21:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack, I forgot a few . |
| 21:32.08 | sinuhe | elg: Much clearer, thank you. |
| 21:32.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/71272 there we go |
| 21:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, and you should have an A record for the NS in sales. :) |
| 21:33.05 | goozbach | yeah, O |
| 21:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/71273 there we go *for good* |
| 21:33.18 | goozbach | the subdomain is correctly configured |
| 21:33.31 | goozbach | because I can get it to answer queries directly |
| 21:33.39 | goozbach | but it's not delegating for some reason |
| 21:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | So when you query the qbang.net server for www.sales. - it gives you NXDOMAIN? |
| 21:34.12 | goozbach | ScytheBlade1: yup |
| 21:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Any chance you could pastey your named.conf and relevant zone files? |
| 21:35.03 | goozbach | it'll take a minute |
| 21:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not a problem |
| 21:36.07 | elg | yes it is. we're being invaded by aliens. http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/fg/fgfs-screen-007.png |
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| 21:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> http://pastey.net/71273 there we go *for good* |
| 21:36.28 | SB1-Laptop | There we are |
| 21:37.41 | elg | see, there goes oscon. aliens got 'em |
| 21:39.08 | goozbach | here's the named.conf of the master server: www.pastey.net/71247 |
| 21:39.24 | SB1-Laptop | Not available |
| 21:39.25 | elg | that code is not available |
| 21:39.37 | SB1-Laptop | Copy the URL right? |
| 21:39.56 | elg | aliens got pastey.net |
| 21:40.05 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 21:40.27 | goozbach | here's the named.conf of the master server: www.pastey.net/71274 |
| 21:40.33 | goozbach | sorry dislexia |
| 21:40.44 | SB1-Laptop | hehe |
| 21:41.23 | SB1-Laptop | .254 is a fully recursive server? |
| 21:41.33 | goozbach | here's the named.conf of the master server: www.pastey.net/71275 |
| 21:42.35 | goozbach | gotta put this on hold |
| 21:42.41 | goozbach | I'll come back in about an hour |
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| 21:42.52 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 21:43.02 | SB1-Laptop | My poor battery will be dead :/ |
| 21:43.47 | Supaplex | you battery killer! |
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| 21:53.39 | bonez41 | I need to print a forum thread...it's at www.zimbra.com/forums/ anyone know how to print just the content of a thread without the cut n paste routine? |
| 21:54.16 | elg | no way |
| 21:54.31 | elg | unless you just want to print with the browser's print function |
| 21:55.27 | bonez41 | elg: ...guess I'll just cut and paste each item...into one file.. |
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| 22:28.21 | goozbach | ok, I'm back |
| 22:28.52 | goozbach | here's the named.conf of the other server: www.pastey.net/71277 |
| 22:30.11 | goozbach | and the zone file of the sales: www.pastey.net/71277 |
| 22:34.01 | jsmith-dinner | goozbach: Ping |
| 22:36.58 | goozbach | pong |
| 22:40.28 | goozbach | hmm I must need to setup a rule to handle ESTABLISHED and RELATED traffic |
| 22:40.38 | goozbach | or jsmith-dinner needs to... |
| 22:41.01 | jsmith-dinner | goozbach: Not when I've got dinner to worry about :-) |
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| 23:49.08 | mheath | grrr. |
| 23:49.10 | mheath | ~lart phone tag |
| 23:49.10 | ibot | beats phone tag senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
