| 00:45.54 | Supaplex | ~frag windows |
| 00:45.55 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at windows |
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| 01:30.48 | harleypig | monkey doodles |
| 01:31.42 | Supaplex | you have your monkey doodles, and I'll finish off my ribs. |
| 01:33.01 | harleypig | wouldn't that be painful? finishing off your own ribs? |
| 01:33.13 | harleypig | not to mention leaving your lungs and heart unprotected |
| 01:33.25 | Supaplex | I bought some spares |
| 01:34.35 | findlay | how many ribs did *you* give up for your wives? |
| 01:35.46 | findlay | I could give up my whole cage and not get a single one |
| 01:35.53 | findlay | (wife, that is) |
| 01:36.01 | findlay | silly girls |
| 01:39.59 | Supaplex | I thought the idea was to get the rib back, not give more away |
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| 02:22.35 | mheath | Beryl on Ubuntu has come a long way since I ran it last. |
| 02:23.19 | mheath | Helps, probably, that I'm using a properly supported NVidia card - I've only used ATI cards in the past which require the XGL X server |
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| 04:47.55 | mheath | Hey, is there anyone around who could do me a favor, quickly? |
| 04:53.00 | Supaplex | m'aybe |
| 04:53.28 | mheath | Just need you to download a file and then put it somewhere I can download it, or e-mail it to me. |
| 04:53.44 | mheath | Someones hosting this thing on the most retarded file sharing place imaginable |
| 04:53.45 | Supaplex | k |
| 04:53.52 | mheath | It makes you wait 35 minutes inbetween downloads |
| 04:53.55 | Supaplex | don't make me use ie :) |
| 04:54.02 | mheath | And I don't want to wait 1.5 hours to download 3 small files |
| 04:54.15 | Supaplex | k |
| 04:54.19 | mheath | Supaplex, just go to http://rapidshare.com/files/29454963/gnome-panel.tar.gz |
| 04:54.40 | mheath | Click Free, etc. |
| 04:54.48 | mheath | Then e-mail to Mike.Thomas.Heath@gmail.com |
| 04:55.21 | mheath | If I could get one other person to help, that would be awesome :( |
| 04:55.37 | mheath | Tried to use my server, but can only use something text based like links on there, and they have a captcha.. |
| 04:56.13 | Supaplex | I have a few boxes here :) |
| 04:56.31 | mheath | Probably does it by IP |
| 04:56.44 | mheath | I'll hit myself on the head if it does it by cookie. I was too lazy to check that.. |
| 04:56.51 | Supaplex | I have a subnet |
| 04:57.00 | mheath | Oh, sweet |
| 04:57.57 | mheath | Thanks, Supaplex |
| 04:58.11 | mheath | This is a cool bit of software, but its impossible to find. :P |
| 04:58.25 | mheath | Alters Gnome so that applications menubars can be put on the gnome panel |
| 04:58.31 | mheath | Make it look very similar to Mac OS X :) |
| 04:59.06 | mheath | (Why host on such a rediculous, stupid site though? Seriously...its not like its that hard to find web hosting for open source project files..) |
| 05:00.52 | Supaplex | indeed |
| 05:02.04 | mheath | We live in a world where people can get fiberoptic Internet in their houses for fairly cheap |
| 05:02.17 | mheath | I don't understand how companies continue to try to make money off of petty amounts of bandwidth |
| 05:03.05 | Supaplex | because they can |
| 05:03.08 | Supaplex | ? |
| 05:03.12 | Supaplex | yea. that's it. |
| 05:05.25 | mheath | grr |
| 05:05.30 | mheath | I'm going to install i386 ubuntu |
| 05:05.40 | mheath | This is causing me too many problems with AMD64 |
| 05:05.53 | mheath | Already ran into a few places where I can't install binary packages I want to |
| 05:05.58 | Supaplex | like? |
| 05:06.46 | mheath | Like that |
| 05:06.52 | mheath | and had to go through annoying workarounds for some other things |
| 05:07.05 | mheath | All binary stuff - if I can compile it, most programs will work, I think |
| 05:24.18 | sontek | http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU&mode=related&search= |
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| 06:06.36 | Supaplex | ~lart yesterday |
| 06:06.37 | ibot | puts yesterday into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of yesterday's hair of |
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| 14:29.00 | MSC386 | sinuhe? |
| 14:29.05 | MSC386 | Check Aim... |
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| 14:31.15 | MSC386 | Sinuhe? Are you there? |
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| 14:50.35 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:51.42 | mrpull-wm | mornin' |
| 14:51.51 | MSC386 | Good Morning. |
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| 15:00.45 | Supaplex | m'ornin |
| 15:02.21 | MSC386 | So what's up, guys? |
| 15:05.52 | levi | So, I've got this DSL modem now, and I want it to stay out of the way and let my OpenWRT take care of all my routing and firewall and stuff. Any ideas? |
| 15:06.18 | Supaplex | pppoe? |
| 15:08.03 | MSC386 | Sounds reasonable. |
| 15:08.20 | MSC386 | Sinuhe, your thoughts? |
| 15:08.49 | MSC386 | You're more of an expert on connectivity issues than me, any day of the week. |
| 15:09.53 | Supaplex | pppoe depends on if his provider accepts that. it might still work if pppoa is available, but they might not offer tech support |
| 15:10.21 | levi | I'm using Xmission, if you're familiar with what they support. |
| 15:10.41 | levi | I believe last time, when I let the dsl modem take care of everything, I used PPPoA to connect. |
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| 15:14.55 | MSC386 | I've gotta bail... |
| 15:14.56 | levi | So, to use PPPoE would I set the modem up as a bridge and the OpenWRT to do PPPoE? |
| 15:15.00 | MSC386 | See yas... |
| 15:20.15 | mrpull-wm | levi: which modem are you using? |
| 15:20.38 | levi | An Actiontec of some sort. |
| 15:20.47 | levi | Their firmware has come a long way since I used the old one. |
| 15:20.51 | elg | levi: you want rfcsomethingorother bridging on the modem |
| 15:21.00 | elg | and pppoe on your linux box or router or whatever |
| 15:21.15 | elg | I had that setup with xmission |
| 15:21.42 | elg | might need to talk to scratch on #xmlounge (irc.xmission.com) to get it worked out, but shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:21.42 | levi | elg: OK. I was guessing that was what I wanted, but wasn't sure. |
| 15:22.04 | elg | they do have to set your account to do it that way iirc, because the default is to have the modem do pppoa |
| 15:25.39 | levi | They say that both should work without any changes. |
| 15:27.29 | levi | Now I just have to figure out how to do PPPoE on my OpenWRT. |
| 15:28.27 | elg | the fun part :) |
| 15:30.05 | elg | so, there's a couple of flightgear git repos, created in different ways (git-cvsimport, tailor) |
| 15:30.58 | elg | and so although in "reality" they refer to the exact same history, you can't do all the nifty distributed things like pull from different people and merge and all that |
| 15:32.04 | levi | Blah. |
| 15:32.13 | levi | That's counterproductive. |
| 15:32.18 | elg | ya |
| 15:32.28 | elg | this is all relatively recent, not sure if people realize the problem yet |
| 15:33.59 | elg | i wonder, mostly out of curiousity, if the situation would actually work with any system out there. i.e. is there anything that would independently give you compatible repositories from the same change history when done independently |
| 15:34.13 | elg | i'm thinking if anything does, it would be darcs with their theory of patches |
| 15:36.53 | levi | I don't know, but I agree that darcs would be most likely to support that. It probably doesn't, though. |
| 15:38.56 | elg | btw, have you seen the linus talk on git to google? |
| 15:39.50 | elg | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 |
| 15:40.04 | levi | Yeah, I had it on in the background while I worked a couple of weeks ago. |
| 15:40.07 | elg | very good talk on "why distributed" |
| 15:40.26 | levi | His sense of humor grates on me, though. |
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| 15:49.59 | findlay | this is so stupid |
| 15:50.14 | findlay | there is nowhere I can take my used brake fluid and power steering fluid |
| 15:50.32 | findlay | I'm so tempted to pour it out into the gutter just to spite the state |
| 15:52.34 | levi | Huh. Not even your local lube shop? |
| 15:52.34 | sjansen | findlay: Does the state have an environmental office? Find out who the head is and leave it on hist front step at 3:30am. |
| 15:53.23 | levi | I still have a bunch of bottles of used oil that I haven't got around to taking somewhere. |
| 15:54.21 | findlay | levi: nope, but I talked to some kid there who probably didn't know what he was talking about |
| 15:54.59 | levi | Well, any place that does brakes should know where to put brake fluid. |
| 15:55.04 | findlay | I guess the most annoying part is that neither the state nor the county provide any information on what to do with it |
| 15:55.29 | findlay | not even the attendant at the dump knew what to do with it |
| 15:55.55 | findlay | so much trouble over 2 liters of brake fluid |
| 15:56.43 | levi | Huh. Weird. |
| 15:57.13 | findlay | yeah |
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| 15:58.49 | findlay | or should I say 2 litres, or is it 2 cubic decimetres? |
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| 16:50.00 | elg | ~dance Jayce^ |
| 16:50.01 | ibot | Jayce^, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
| 16:50.05 | elg | ~dance Jayce^_lap |
| 16:50.05 | ibot | Jayce^_lap, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
| 16:50.23 | elg | *snicker* |
| 16:53.35 | findlay | heh |
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| 16:57.49 | levi | Yay, my Lehi house has a pretty clear line of sight to Farnsworth Peak. |
| 16:59.49 | Jayce^_lap | elg, that's bad..... |
| 17:00.16 | elg | i'm not the one lap dancing with ibot |
| 17:00.51 | Jayce^_lap | elg, but at least I'm doing that from the 'advanced vim scripting' presentation :) |
| 17:01.40 | elg | ouch, advanced vim scripting would make me gouge my eyes out, probably |
| 17:01.49 | elg | seeing as I can't even seem to stand to do basic vim scripting |
| 17:01.55 | elg | unless you count color schemes |
| 17:05.42 | mrpull | levi: OTA HD? |
| 17:05.44 | Jayce^_lap | that's where he started.. |
| 17:05.50 | levi | mrpull: Yup. |
| 17:05.59 | mrpull | what area of Lehi? |
| 17:06.26 | levi | mrpull: 13th W and Main, roughly. |
| 17:06.39 | mrpull | i've resisted my early adopter ways long enough to finally splurge for an HD set |
| 17:06.59 | levi | You can get one fairly inexpensively these days. |
| 17:07.23 | mrpull | yeah. i've had about 2.5K set aside for about a year now |
| 17:07.37 | levi | Oh, wow, you can get a beautiful screen for that much. |
| 17:08.14 | mrpull | yeah, but i keep seeing prices drop and I think... if I wait 6 more months... |
| 17:08.28 | mrpull | i guess it isn't doing me any harm leaving that money in the bank |
| 17:08.30 | levi | Well, how much screen do you really want? |
| 17:08.49 | mrpull | i'm not sure how well OTA HD will work in my area (the dry creek area) |
| 17:09.04 | mrpull | i'm kinda in a gully NE of the freeway |
| 17:09.27 | levi | Have you looked at antennaweb.org? |
| 17:09.47 | mrpull | yes, but i'm not sure if that takes altitude into consideration... does it? |
| 17:09.53 | levi | Not sure. |
| 17:09.54 | mrpull | it's been more than a year since I looked |
| 17:10.35 | levi | I put my coordinates and the coordinates of Farnsworth Peak into google earth and used the elevation data there to see if I could see the peak. |
| 17:11.16 | levi | Are you familiar with google earth? |
| 17:11.24 | findlay | except for that huge tree next door :) |
| 17:11.52 | mrpull | that'd be an interesting exercise. is farnsworth the one at the point of the mountain? |
| 17:11.57 | levi | Nope. |
| 17:13.59 | mrpull | on west mountain? |
| 17:13.59 | levi | It's in the northern part of the Oquirrhs (sp?). |
| 17:14.01 | Jayce^_lap | north end of the Oquirrhs |
| 17:14.50 | mrpull | ahhh... ok. i guess antenna web has the orientation from my place... does google earth do projections? |
| 17:14.59 | levi | Yup. |
| 17:15.17 | levi | You can see the towers pretty clearly in google earth. |
| 17:16.18 | mrpull | google earth always depresses me because it reminds me what a mess my neighbors' yards are :-/ |
| 17:16.24 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:16.36 | mrpull | not that mine is a sight to behold, but it is neat |
| 17:16.47 | levi | My yard is currently a mess. Overrun with weeds and full of dead patches. But my excuse is that I just moved in yesterday. |
| 17:16.54 | levi | Well, finished moving in yesterday. |
| 17:17.00 | mrpull | levi: i'll give you a pass on that |
| 17:17.05 | mrpull | but get to work! |
| 17:18.17 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.29 | goozbach | morning folkses |
| 17:18.29 | levi | That's precisely where the TV towers are. :) |
| 17:18.40 | goozbach | ~lart Jayce^_lap |
| 17:18.40 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of Jayce^_lap |
| 17:18.45 | goozbach | lart spr |
| 17:18.52 | goozbach | ~lart spr |
| 17:18.52 | ibot | DoSes spr |
| 17:19.00 | spr | ~lart goozbach |
| 17:19.00 | ibot | runs at goozbach with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 17:19.05 | findlay | ~chat about ~lart goozbach |
| 17:19.08 | Jayce^_lap | ~paint goozbach |
| 17:19.09 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on goozbach |
| 17:19.09 | findlay | -chat about ~lart goozbach |
| 17:19.13 | brac | ~lart goozbach and his hands on his server |
| 17:19.13 | ibot | beats goozbach and his hands on his server to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 17:19.43 | goozbach | interesing |
| 17:20.04 | findlay | brac always has interesting things to say |
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| 17:22.09 | goozbach | but they are at OSCON |
| 17:22.23 | goozbach | and I was |this| close to getting to go. |
| 17:22.46 | mrpull | levi: now I see. |
| 17:22.47 | mrpull | thanks. |
| 17:22.50 | goozbach | ~lart Lamont |
| 17:22.50 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Lamont, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 17:22.57 | elg | -lart Jayce^_lap |
| 17:23.12 | findlay | ibot: oscon $goozbach is <action> steals $800 from $goozbach so that $nick can go |
| 17:23.12 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 17:26.19 | findlay | gah, I can hear 'the radio' |
| 17:26.52 | levi | mrpull: You figure out if you can see the place from your house? |
| 17:27.34 | mrpull | Google Earth says yes, but my recollection says no. |
| 17:27.57 | levi | Well, at least you know where to look. |
| 17:28.19 | levi | I've seen several antennas in my neighborhood pointing in that direction. |
| 17:28.25 | mrpull | i've only been on the north end of the roof of my house (to futz with the sat dish) once... it was slippery so I wasn't looking in that direction |
| 17:28.47 | mrpull | i subscribe to DirecTV and they have locals now |
| 17:28.57 | mrpull | but I understand OTA locals are still the best way to go |
| 17:29.12 | levi | I hate paying huge monthly fees for TV. |
| 17:29.32 | mrpull | levi: i tolerate it. I like to watch football and basketball... gotta have cable/sat for that |
| 17:29.41 | levi | Ahh, yeah. |
| 17:29.54 | levi | I hate watching sports, so it's not a big deal. |
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| 17:29.59 | brac | stuff was dropped in water? |
| 17:30.09 | harleypig | Friends don't let friends destroy reality. |
| 17:30.16 | atoponce | i have a multidimensional array in javascript. for example: [[1,3,4],[0,2,7],[9,6,1],[2,2,4]]. how can i sort the array by column, say col 2, so the array returns as [[9,6,1],[1,3,4],[2,2,4],[0,2,7]]? |
| 17:30.23 | levi | Man, did someone destroy reality again? |
| 17:30.24 | harleypig | ~onjoin Friends don't let friends destroy reality! |
| 17:30.24 | ibot | harleypig: ok |
| 17:30.31 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay |
| 17:30.31 | ibot | onjoin for findlay set by brac on Thu Jul 12 19:13:33 2007: -chat about ~onjoin harleypig |
| 17:30.35 | findlay | :) |
| 17:30.39 | atoponce | would a quick sort be the way to handle this, or is there an easier way that i'm overlooking? |
| 17:30.43 | harleypig | levi: Add for Eureka on SciFi. |
| 17:30.44 | findlay | notice who set it too :) |
| 17:31.10 | harleypig | :] Yeah, I saw that. |
| 17:31.20 | findlay | -chat about ~onjoin findlay |
| 17:31.21 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about |
| 17:31.21 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 17:31.35 | levi | harleypig: For far less money than a cable subscription, I can download Eureka from iTunes. |
| 17:31.47 | harleypig | atoponce: I'm still learning javascript ... I have no idea how to do taht. |
| 17:31.55 | harleypig | levi: Heh |
| 17:32.09 | levi | Or, for free, I could download torrents of it. |
| 17:32.10 | atoponce | that's ok. now that i'm looking at it, i don't know if that's what i want to do anymore. |
| 17:32.10 | mrpull | levi: what do you use to watch itunes shows in the living room? |
| 17:32.27 | harleypig | But I *do* have a question for you, if you can answer it. |
| 17:32.30 | levi | mrpull: Well, I don't have anything set up yet, but I'm going to be building a MythTV setup. |
| 17:33.00 | Jayce^_lap | hey harleypig get your IM online.. |
| 17:33.18 | harleypig | My gtalk is online. |
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| 17:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, that's stupidly useful |
| 17:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You can store SSH host keys in DNS |
| 17:39.40 | harleypig | Can anyone take a look at http://bp.harleypig.com , select an id from the drop down list, then another one and tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 17:39.44 | brac | [HarleyPig] |
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| 17:39.55 | harleypig | I've tried both replaceChild and removeChild then appendChild. |
| 17:40.18 | harleypig | err ... that'd be http://pb.harleypig.com |
| 17:40.19 | brac | [PlainBlack Customer Order Browser] |
| 17:40.21 | findlay | all I get is a picture |
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| 17:40.48 | harleypig | Yeah,s orry ... it'd help if I gave the right url. |
| 17:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of javascript |
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| 17:41.15 | harleypig | ? Prototype.js, yeah |
| 17:41.16 | findlay | smells like a fire |
| 17:41.22 | harleypig | But look at pb.js |
| 17:41.31 | findlay | outside, that is |
| 17:41.50 | harleypig | I've been smelling it for days. woke up last night in a panic cause the smell was so strong. |
| 17:42.40 | elg | there's a quote to take out of context |
| 17:42.43 | mheath | Still from the central utah fires? |
| 17:42.47 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:42.51 | harleypig | mheath: Yeah. |
| 17:43.08 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 17:43.33 | mheath | I just got told at a store that it took so long for them to help me because they were assisting "more important customers". |
| 17:43.41 | mheath | I don't think I'll be shopping there again. |
| 17:44.05 | mheath | I'm working on a tutorial for Ubuntu |
| 17:44.17 | elg | can't fathom that there might be more important customers? |
| 17:44.30 | mheath | ABout how to incorporate some OS X like attributes into your desktop. |
| 17:44.35 | mrpull | harleypig: my wife burnt a toaster strudle last night |
| 17:44.40 | mrpull | if woke me up |
| 17:44.43 | mrpull | seriously |
| 17:44.50 | mrpull | mheath: what store? |
| 17:45.01 | sontek | I always wonder why service reps try to help me so much, I'm like "Don't have more important customers to help?!" |
| 17:45.09 | mheath | elg, I was trying to pay about $100. I was trying to check out. Asked where I could check out, said there didn't seem to be anyone at any of the checkout stations, and was told I was unimportant. |
| 17:45.33 | mheath | mrpull, Macey's (Department Store) |
| 17:45.41 | elg | what you said is you were told they were busy with more important customers |
| 17:45.43 | elg | which is it? |
| 17:46.16 | mheath | anyway |
| 17:46.39 | mheath | I found this cool set of patches for GTK and Gnome Panel |
| 17:46.46 | findlay | at Macys? |
| 17:46.58 | mheath | They allow you to move an applications menu bar to the Gnome Panel |
| 17:47.02 | mheath | Much like OS X |
| 17:47.04 | mrpull | i _only_ shop at nordstrom. i'm not picky about clothes (i'll wear anything from anywhere) |
| 17:47.13 | mrpull | but when I shop, i want to be taken care of |
| 17:47.23 | elg | and hear a piano |
| 17:47.24 | mrpull | and they do a good job |
| 17:47.39 | sontek | I only shop at abercrombie |
| 17:47.52 | sontek | I don't care what I wear or if it even fits, I just wanna see hot chicks while I'm shopping |
| 17:47.54 | elg | I only shop at laptop |
| 17:47.56 | mheath | mrpull, I dislike attention. I don't want people following me around, etc. But when I want to pay, it would be nice to be able to pay and leave easily without getting a snide attitude. |
| 17:48.27 | mrpull | sontek: sometimes you get that at nordstrom |
| 17:48.30 | findlay | mheath: may I suggest: Wal-Mart :-) |
| 17:48.38 | mrpull | othertimes it is just old people |
| 17:48.51 | mrpull | mheath: why not soak up their attention when they offer it? |
| 17:49.04 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:49.22 | harleypig | FFS ... it's almost always attitude. |
| 17:49.23 | mrpull | i'm an introvert as well, but when I'm out and about i get what I want more often when I tell people what I want and accept it when they offer it |
| 17:49.43 | harleypig | In any case ... can anyone give me any pointers on why my javascript isn't working tthe way I want it to? |
| 17:49.57 | elg | harleypig: discipline |
| 17:50.00 | mheath | findlay, I usually shop there...heh. I was buying a nice dress shirt, something Walmart kind of lacks. |
| 17:50.01 | elg | your javascript lacks discipline |
| 17:50.15 | mheath | harleypig, I missed the link.. |
| 17:50.30 | harleypig | elg: No doubt ... I'm still learning ... but I need to learn to gain discipline. |
| 17:50.32 | findlay | yeah, make it run 20 laps around the browser |
| 17:50.32 | mrpull | maceys is the old ZCMI right? |
| 17:50.38 | harleypig | mheath: http://pb.harleypig.com |
| 17:50.39 | mrpull | they used to be pretty good |
| 17:50.39 | brac | [PlainBlack Customer Order Browser] |
| 17:50.40 | elg | harleypig: no, not you. your javascript |
| 17:51.11 | harleypig | elg: :] Ok, so my javascript fu needs to be increased to increase its discipline. |
| 17:51.22 | elg | no, you just need to yell at it more |
| 17:51.32 | harleypig | Select an entry from the dropdown, then select another one. |
| 17:52.26 | harleypig | I've tried both removeChild/appendChild (current) and replaceChild |
| 17:53.11 | sontek | harleypig: have you tried using FireBug yet? |
| 17:53.17 | harleypig | I'm using it now. |
| 17:53.44 | harleypig | The problem is that the second time around the node is not found, even though FireBug is showing the dom element. |
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| 18:14.19 | goozbach | yes! my training is paying off: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902453_3.html |
| 18:14.24 | brac | [Al Kamen - Before Elections, Kazakhstan Does a Little Campaigning - washingtonpost.com] |
| 18:14.34 | goozbach | squirrels used in espionage |
| 18:14.38 | goozbach | buhahah |
| 18:14.54 | goozbach | little did they know that those squrirrels all belong to me! |
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| 18:17.04 | sinuhe | All your squirrels are belong to us. |
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| 18:19.27 | findlay | ~tubes |
| 18:19.27 | ibot | tubes are actually filled with aerodynamic, efficient squirrls, each with carrying packet on their back and they run back and forth ferrying packets from switch to switch and router to router |
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| 18:53.13 | findlay | hm, these Chopin piano tracks compress much better than Rachmanninov |
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| 19:23.45 | sjansen | levi: If Linus's sense of humor bugs you, I must drive you crazy. |
| 19:24.36 | findlay | man, I love Chopin's solo piano pieces |
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| 19:25.25 | mheath | My desktop is insanely beautiful now :) |
| 19:25.30 | findlay | sjansen funny? Really? |
| 19:25.58 | findlay | mheath: sorry, I don't find OSX's GUI very beautiful |
| 19:26.12 | findlay | it's adequate, but little more for me :) |
| 19:26.24 | mheath | findlay: This is a hybrid. |
| 19:26.37 | mheath | Very OS Xish, but also has some elements that are very different. |
| 19:27.05 | mheath | My taskbar looks similar to OS X at first glance, but I feel it looks cleaner and better |
| 19:29.01 | mheath | findlay, I'll upload a screenshot in a moment |
| 19:29.06 | mheath | I need to replace my Icon set |
| 19:29.18 | mheath | That's the only thing that's still stuck on Ubuntu default |
| 19:30.43 | findlay | it's all about SVG, man |
| 19:31.14 | findlay | http://www.oxygen-icons.org/ |
| 19:31.52 | findlay | I like the mist theme for gnome |
| 19:32.46 | mheath | findlay, That Oxygen thing looks really cool, but it doesn't seem to be released yet. |
| 19:32.53 | findlay | nope |
| 19:33.06 | findlay | it's supposed to be the default for kde4 |
| 19:39.27 | mheath | Wish I could find a good, clean one I liked |
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| 19:40.28 | findlay | did anybody else hear that thunder? |
| 19:41.18 | teabeer | now there is some liquid falling from the sky |
| 19:41.19 | findlay | where? |
| 19:41.20 | teabeer | strange |
| 19:41.32 | teabeer | Orem |
| 19:41.38 | findlay | some kind of precipitation you think? |
| 19:41.46 | findlay | probably water |
| 19:42.09 | teabeer | I don't know... I have dim memories of something like this happening before |
| 19:42.18 | teabeer | but I must have forgotten |
| 19:42.22 | findlay | hm |
| 19:42.35 | findlay | a most intriguing phenomenon |
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| 19:48.18 | mheath | OK, time for a screenshot... |
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| 19:50.51 | findlay | ~shoot mheath's screen |
| 19:50.51 | ibot | ACTION shoots mheath's screen in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 19:51.11 | tensai | let's say somebody you know just deleted a whole bunch of rows from a mysql database, when he really meant to select them |
| 19:51.18 | tensai | is there any way possible to recover them? |
| 19:51.36 | tensai | let's say said user has no good backups (obviously) but does have binlogging turned on |
| 19:52.15 | mheath | http://www.mtheath.net/Screenshot.png |
| 19:52.42 | mheath | Ended up with gnome-screenshot as the active application, so it doesn't give you a good example of the menu bar, but there you go :) |
| 19:53.09 | findlay | not bad |
| 19:54.08 | mheath | I personally think my bottom dock looks better than OS X's |
| 19:54.15 | mheath | With the flat glass ledge appearnce |
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| 19:56.12 | findlay | tensai: I'm no mysql expert, sorry |
| 19:56.16 | mheath | I'm quite happy with it, too, though.. |
| 19:56.25 | mheath | Yeah, I wish I could help, that....really sucks |
| 19:56.53 | findlay | mheath: heh, desktops for me are like rooms in my apartment. I'm constantly rearranging them |
| 19:57.02 | findlay | because I get bored with them |
| 19:57.08 | mheath | Same here |
| 19:57.15 | mheath | My moods change a lot |
| 19:57.25 | mheath | Lots of times I'll be in the mood for something simple and sleek like this... |
| 19:57.29 | jsmith | tensai: Thaht's the whole reason you should be using transactions |
| 19:57.31 | mheath | Other times, want something powerful and functional |
| 19:57.44 | jsmith | tensai: Do a "BEGIN" first, and then if you accidentally delete the rows, you roll back the transaction. |
| 19:58.00 | jsmith | tensai: But then again, you have to be running a database that really supports transactions... |
| 19:58.25 | mheath | findlay, I just love how far Linux desktop theming has come |
| 19:58.29 | tensai | jsmith: I'll mention to said user that this is the 3rd reason he's had for migrating to postgres |
| 19:58.50 | mheath | I can remember running OS X lookalike themes 5-6 years ago. |
| 19:59.01 | mheath | You couldn't even _begin_ to do things like this back then |
| 19:59.16 | jsmith | tensai: Perfect... you read my mind! |
| 19:59.17 | findlay | well OSX themes haven't changed much during that time :) |
| 19:59.26 | mheath | Heh, I had an OS-X like thing for Fluxbox. A friend of mine made it... |
| 19:59.51 | findlay | one of the reasons I get tired fast of macs |
| 20:00.03 | mheath | findlay, Composite Mangers have made a lot of new things possible. |
| 20:00.06 | findlay | s/the main reason/ |
| 20:00.24 | mheath | Stuff that used to have to be faked, or wasn't even possible, can now be beautifully rendered |
| 20:00.41 | findlay | constricted to their UI |
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| 20:14.52 | emcnabb | ugh, 1.5 hr concalls suck |
| 20:16.06 | findlay | haha |
| 20:16.38 | findlay | it's OK as long as you fixed all my kernel issues |
| 20:22.19 | mheath | bah, DVD ripping takes a long time. |
| 20:22.28 | mheath | Trying to rip to Ogg, my system can only manage about 5 FPS |
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| 20:28.22 | mrpull | mheath: what is the advantage of transcoding? |
| 20:29.45 | fozzmoo | It's a bad idea to transcode directly from optical media. |
| 20:30.50 | beandog | rip the DVD to the harddrive |
| 20:31.00 | beandog | it'll be about 85,003 times faster transcoding that way. |
| 20:31.57 | findlay | 85,002.7 |
| 20:32.12 | beandog | :) |
| 20:32.46 | findlay | gah, I don't want to listen to your 99-5, idiot radio station |
| 20:33.15 | beandog | xm++ |
| 20:33.22 | beandog | well, most of the tiem. |
| 20:33.23 | beandog | time |
| 20:33.26 | findlay | I like my aural perception right where it is, thanks |
| 20:35.03 | beandog | eeevil. |
| 20:35.04 | beandog | it is. |
| 20:35.05 | beandog | :( |
| 20:37.08 | Supaplex | humm what should I do with my 30 node 18000 bogomips cluster |
| 20:37.22 | findlay | I'll take it |
| 20:37.23 | beandog | have a bake-off |
| 20:37.29 | mrpull | Supaplex: mheath has some transcoding to work on |
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| 20:43.34 | findlay | well, should I do SA stuff the rest of the day or keep programming? |
| 20:44.32 | Supaplex | yes findlay. |
| 20:44.34 | tensai | findlay: how about you sit back with a nice tune and a chilled beverage? |
| 20:45.41 | findlay | OK |
| 20:45.56 | findlay | where's my beverage? |
| 20:46.10 | Supaplex | in the vending machine |
| 20:46.15 | findlay | aw |
| 20:46.20 | findlay | lousy vendors |
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| 20:49.43 | tensai | muwahahahaha |
| 20:49.53 | elg | proprietary beverages |
| 20:50.18 | tensai | elg: how so? |
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| 20:50.38 | tensai | oh, you mean the one in the vending machine |
| 20:50.39 | Supaplex | how does she fit into that glass? |
| 20:50.47 | tensai | Supaplex: very carefully |
| 20:50.59 | elg | "lousy vendors" |
| 20:51.08 | elg | sort of thing you say when dealing with proprietary software :) |
| 20:51.36 | findlay | isn't Shirly Temple kind of smallish? |
| 20:53.23 | tensai | more than 8 ounces I would wager |
| 20:53.44 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:53.49 | Supaplex | you're betting a drink on that huh? ;) |
| 20:53.58 | findlay | ~convert 8 ounces to shirly temple |
| 20:54.05 | findlay | ~convert 8 ounces to elvis |
| 20:54.11 | Jayce^_lap | "Trust Contrib more than your own code".... |
| 20:54.47 | findlay | who's Contrib, and why would I trust him more than my code? |
| 20:55.03 | Jayce^_lap | it's /contrib :) (this is from a PG developer |
| 20:55.29 | findlay | :) |
| 20:55.49 | jsmith | Nice... |
| 20:56.22 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
| 20:56.22 | Jayce^_lap | at the pro postgres presentation... |
| 20:56.31 | Supaplex | hi Jayce |
| 20:56.31 | Jayce^_lap | of course the guy is also a PHP developer.... |
| 20:56.38 | Jayce^_lap | hi Supaplex |
| 20:56.51 | jsmith | Jayce^_lap: Sounds like you're having a blast... wish I was there instead of in Hotlanta teaching a class |
| 20:57.09 | goozbach | jsmith: you're in HOTlanta? |
| 20:57.14 | goozbach | when do you leave? |
| 20:57.28 | sjansen | Smart enough to recognize that PG is better. Not smart enough to recognize PHP is ****. Huh? |
| 20:57.29 | Jayce^_lap | jsmith, should have submitted an asterisk presentation... there is one going on atm in another room |
| 20:58.32 | jsmith | Jayce^_lap: Couldn't fit it into my schedule, unfortunately.... maybe next year |
| 20:58.46 | jsmith | goozbach: Yeah... well, a ways outside of Hotlanta... you gonna come visit? |
| 20:58.59 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm here until Saturday morning |
| 20:59.23 | goozbach | I'm actually in Houston |
| 20:59.27 | jsmith | goozbach: Doh! |
| 20:59.32 | goozbach | I'm living in Hotlanta now |
| 20:59.37 | jsmith | goozbach: I know... |
| 20:59.54 | goozbach | well actually Marietta, which is a ways out of atlanta proper itself |
| 21:00.23 | Jayce^_lap | so you've been lying all this time 'eh goozbach .... |
| 21:00.27 | findlay | no excuse for not patronizing the Atlant Symphony |
| 21:00.35 | findlay | s//a/ |
| 21:02.48 | levi | Huh, I know some people from Marietta. |
| 21:04.14 | goozbach | buy a PS3 with yellowdog pre-installed http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/purchase.php |
| 21:05.20 | Tene | ~sjansen goozbach |
| 21:05.21 | ibot | ACTION tells goozbach good things about sjansen |
| 21:05.36 | Supaplex | humm no migs. |
| 21:05.45 | mheath | They still make yellowdog? |
| 21:05.50 | mheath | I hated yellowdog.... |
| 21:05.59 | mheath | Like a broken redhat, and redhat is bad enough to begin with. |
| 21:06.01 | Jayce^_lap | Supaplex, things look good at the school? |
| 21:06.35 | findlay | ~migs Supaplex |
| 21:06.36 | ibot | ACTION forces Supaplex to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:06.38 | goozbach | yellowdog roxors |
| 21:07.02 | findlay | why does it always remind me of a dog going in the snow? |
| 21:07.05 | Supaplex | Jayce, well Alex was suppose to get ahold of me by the end of Friday - but I'm not sure if he forgot. migs said he left early for vacation. None of my calls are answered. |
| 21:07.15 | mheath | hahah |
| 21:07.19 | mheath | ~praise findlay |
| 21:07.20 | ibot | All hail findlay! |
| 21:07.36 | Supaplex | Jayce^_lap: so I thought I'd ask migs. but he's not here. |
| 21:08.04 | findlay | ~seen ^Migs^ |
| 21:08.07 | ibot | ^migs^ <n=migs@205.122.50.69> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 23h 59m 42s ago, saying: 'Kazaa is just a program that helps people share files in one particular way. Sharing files is the crux of the intarwebz'. |
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| 21:19.44 | sjansen | I want my T61p already! |
| 21:20.28 | Jayce^_lap | sjansen, spr and I have an ad for you... zimki has one with a yak saying "Shave this" |
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| 21:22.21 | findlay | ~dell sjansen |
| 21:22.21 | ibot | Dude! sjansen's getting a dell! |
| 21:22.36 | sjansen | ~punish findlay |
| 21:22.36 | ibot | ACTION forces findlay to install and use Windows |
| 21:22.44 | findlay | nooo! |
| 21:23.13 | findlay | this is strange |
| 21:23.51 | findlay | I have `tcpdump host mydesktop` runnung on myserver and I'm pinging myserver from mydesktop, yet nothing shows up |
| 21:25.08 | sjansen | Different interface? |
| 21:25.20 | findlay | that's probably it |
| 21:25.23 | findlay | I forgot |
| 21:25.34 | findlay | ~thank sjansen |
| 21:25.35 | ibot | sure thing, findlay |
| 21:25.58 | sjansen | ibot: I want my T61p already! |
| 21:25.59 | ibot | You want my T61p already!? |
| 21:26.13 | sjansen | What? ibot has one and I don't yet? No fair! |
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| 21:26.44 | shadowwire | Sup? |
| 21:26.53 | sjansen | drop tile ceiling |
| 21:26.59 | shadowwire | Hey Klys. |
| 21:27.05 | sjansen | fluorescent lights |
| 21:27.17 | sjansen | air vents |
| 21:27.22 | sjansen | fire sprinklers |
| 21:27.29 | shadowwire | og on? |
| 21:27.36 | shadowwire | go, sorry |
| 21:27.37 | jsmith | sjansen: I dare you to set the sprinklers off ;-) |
| 21:27.46 | Jayce^_lap | notice sjansen doesn't mention anything about birds, the sky, anything like that.. |
| 21:27.55 | sinuhe | ~sprinklers jsmith |
| 21:28.02 | sjansen | jsmith: Not with my laptop in the same room! I don't have a T61p to replace it yet. |
| 21:28.38 | shadowwire | sjansen: what is a T16p? |
| 21:28.44 | sinuhe | I wonder what the rage will be next month after the T61p, or are we on a weekly gadget envy? |
| 21:29.01 | Tene | ~sjansen sinuhe |
| 21:29.01 | ibot | ACTION tells sinuhe good things about sjansen |
| 21:29.06 | sjansen | Thinkpad, 1920x1200, Core 2 Duo |
| 21:29.16 | shadowwire | nice. |
| 21:30.03 | sjansen | sinuhe: You misunderstand, the T61p has been anticipated for more than a year. Its imminent arrival is like the second coming of Charlton Heston. |
| 21:30.31 | findlay | or, it's the coolest thing since pocket protectors |
| 21:30.32 | shadowwire | so, like, Not gonna happen? |
| 21:30.56 | herlo | shadowwire: its gonna happen, just its gonna take longer than we're alive to see... |
| 21:30.58 | klys_ | what is up! |
| 21:31.03 | sinuhe | sjansen: So I hear. Unfortunately, it picks an Nvidia chipset, notorious for blobs and refusing to release specifications for their hardware. |
| 21:31.06 | shadowwire | I see... |
| 21:31.14 | shadowwire | Hey sup dude! |
| 21:31.23 | sjansen | Better than ATI. |
| 21:31.32 | findlay | OGP! |
| 21:31.34 | shadowwire | I concur. |
| 21:31.42 | klys_ | hey man I was just applying for a job and then I went to the library |
| 21:31.43 | sinuhe | No argument from here. |
| 21:31.43 | Jayce^_lap | actually, it's just a lenovo trying to meet Apple specs :-p |
| 21:31.54 | findlay | is anyone going to the OGP presentation? |
| 21:31.59 | shadowwire | Howd the interview go? |
| 21:32.01 | sjansen | Jayce^_lap: hardly |
| 21:32.19 | sjansen | Apple only wishes they could build something like the T61p. |
| 21:32.34 | klys_ | shadowwire: nothing yet |
| 21:32.40 | sjansen | Besides, as we've already discussed, Apple doesn't know how to handle power. |
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| 21:32.50 | findlay | heh |
| 21:33.06 | shadowwire | thats true. |
| 21:34.05 | shadowwire | The Imac that my web programer uses is nice. |
| 21:34.11 | findlay | it's a heman laptop |
| 21:34.13 | sjansen | Does apple even have a macbook that can do 1920x1200? |
| 21:34.20 | Jayce^_lap | sjansen, yes |
| 21:34.27 | Jayce^_lap | 17". |
| 21:34.49 | sjansen | Intell wireless? |
| 21:34.54 | shadowwire | klys: What kind of job? |
| 21:35.06 | klys_ | shadowwire: applied for circuit city today |
| 21:35.28 | shadowwire | klys: that would be good. |
| 21:35.36 | Jayce^_lap | sjansen, dont' remember which chipset in th emodel, thought it was intel |
| 21:35.38 | sjansen | Excellent Linux support? |
| 21:35.53 | sjansen | Two mouse buttons? |
| 21:35.57 | shadowwire | OS-X runs well |
| 21:35.59 | findlay | heh |
| 21:35.59 | klys_ | shadowwire: yeah, I'm still running around and doing all that, I have to figure out a good way to send faxes. |
| 21:36.07 | sjansen | Fingerprint reader? |
| 21:36.13 | Jayce^_lap | sjansen, multi-touch pad :) |
| 21:36.17 | shadowwire | VSI fax |
| 21:36.21 | sjansen | Accelerometer usable in Linux. |
| 21:36.40 | sjansen | meh, I don't like multi-touch. |
| 21:36.40 | sinuhe | OSX runs well in what respect? |
| 21:36.43 | Jayce^_lap | haven't tried the acceleromter in linux, but it is accessible in osx :) |
| 21:36.54 | shadowwire | No blue screen of death? |
| 21:37.18 | sjansen | Onsite repair policy? |
| 21:37.18 | shadowwire | What is multi touch? |
| 21:37.27 | klys_ | shadowwire: seen finkproject.org ? it's for os X |
| 21:37.41 | shadowwire | I will check that out. |
| 21:37.54 | shadowwire | I dont personaly use OS-x. |
| 21:37.58 | klys_ | k |
| 21:38.00 | levi | Mmm, OS X. |
| 21:38.04 | mheath | hehe |
| 21:38.21 | mheath | http://www.mtheath.net/Screenshot.png |
| 21:38.27 | pr0le | :q |
| 21:38.34 | klys_ | levi: what you up to? |
| 21:38.36 | findlay | q: |
| 21:38.45 | levi | klys_: Not much at the moment. |
| 21:38.47 | mheath | Better than OS X ^ |
| 21:38.57 | pr0le | ha, this isn't my vim session :) |
| 21:39.13 | shadowwire | What. Whats better than OS-X? |
| 21:39.18 | mheath | pr0le, I'm concerned it took you that long to recognize it :P |
| 21:39.28 | mheath | shadowwire: http://www.mtheath.net/Screenshot.png |
| 21:39.44 | levi | mheath: Well, it looks nice, but there's more to OS X than the background, window borders, and dock. |
| 21:40.03 | sjansen | Yeah. Like proprietary lockin and the upgrade treadmill. |
| 21:40.11 | mheath | levi, that dock is entirely different from OS X. |
| 21:40.35 | levi | mheath: Actually, it looks kind of like the one in the upcoming OS X version. |
| 21:40.41 | klys_ | probably just more software, I don't know what clear advantage linux has over OS X except for the following: specialty drivers (filesystems, etc.), stability, and virtual consoles |
| 21:40.57 | mheath | levi, Which kind of stole a lot of it's look from Sun's thing |
| 21:41.01 | mheath | I forgot the name of that.. |
| 21:41.09 | findlay | java desktop |
| 21:41.12 | mheath | No |
| 21:41.13 | levi | klys_: To many people, the main advantage of Linux over OS X is that it is Free. |
| 21:41.13 | mheath | Well, yeah |
| 21:41.21 | mheath | But they have a icon taskbar |
| 21:41.21 | klys_ | right |
| 21:41.31 | shadowwire | free is good. |
| 21:41.47 | mheath | levi, The whole point of my desktop look is OS X inspired, but not OS X :P |
| 21:41.58 | mheath | Hence, I said, Better than OS X :) |
| 21:41.59 | findlay | and you can't change the UI on OS X (which I happen to despise) |
| 21:42.03 | levi | Well, there's free and then there's Free. OS X is 'free' with an Apple laptop, but it's not fully 'Free' in the Free Software sense. |
| 21:42.04 | shadowwire | But heck, if your gonna use something a lot, why not pay a little for it? |
| 21:42.13 | mheath | ... |
| 21:42.22 | sjansen | Livre is good. Linux is only free if your time is cheap. |
| 21:42.26 | shadowwire | UI? |
| 21:42.41 | findlay | user interface |
| 21:42.47 | mheath | shadowwire, your statement makes no sense |
| 21:42.49 | sjansen | Free as in Freedom |
| 21:42.50 | shadowwire | Ah. |
| 21:42.50 | mheath | I'm not saying your meaning is wrong |
| 21:42.53 | klys_ | like, the window manager, you can't apparently just use your desktop like it was X |
| 21:42.55 | mheath | But your statement makes no sense |
| 21:42.56 | levi | findlay: You can change parts of it. There's actually a theming interface. |
| 21:43.04 | sjansen | Free as in Steve Jobs can't hold my data hostage. |
| 21:43.07 | levi | findlay: And you can always run X11. |
| 21:43.13 | mheath | You could just as well say "But heck, if your gonna use something a lot, why not undergo intense torture for it?" |
| 21:43.17 | findlay | levi: not really the same :) |
| 21:43.34 | findlay | haha, this is becoming a little amusing |
| 21:43.55 | levi | findlay: It is if you run it full screen. |
| 21:44.09 | mheath | I wish GTK would integrate the OS X style as a built in option |
| 21:44.12 | shadowwire | perhaps I should have said that differently. You get what you pay for. |
| 21:44.16 | findlay | levi: that's still a hack |
| 21:44.17 | shadowwire | or work for. |
| 21:44.18 | mheath | These patches were hard as heck to apply |
| 21:44.26 | levi | findlay: You can run it full-screen with whatever window manager you like. |
| 21:44.40 | findlay | shadowwire: that's rarely true when it comes to quality software |
| 21:44.53 | shadowwire | or work for? |
| 21:45.05 | findlay | levi: well if you can't turn off the default GUI it's a hack |
| 21:45.12 | sjansen | I've used very expensive proprietary software. Trash. But they could use the money to hire expensive sales people to tell expensive lies. |
| 21:46.08 | sjansen | I've also used Free software. Reliable. Customizable. But they couldn't afford expensive sales people to tell expensive lies so we didn't use it. |
| 21:46.12 | shadowwire | Fair enuph. |
| 21:46.13 | klys_ | shadowwire: there is a lot of software being marketed so heavily that people take it for the best deal, even though it doesn't do the same things as the best you can get |
| 21:46.15 | mheath | shadowwire, Take a look at Cinelerra for a good example of why what you said is a lie |
| 21:46.23 | findlay | heh |
| 21:46.27 | findlay | sure |
| 21:46.28 | mheath | shadowwire, its a professional open source video editing and rendering program. |
| 21:46.39 | findlay | 'professional' :-) |
| 21:46.43 | shadowwire | Cool. |
| 21:46.46 | mheath | shadowwire, Comparable closed source programs would probably run you thousands of dollars |
| 21:46.57 | findlay | or they come bundled with OS X |
| 21:47.05 | mheath | shadowwire, and it still beats a lot of those. Professional studios use it, often. |
| 21:47.18 | shadowwire | I didnt know that. |
| 21:47.23 | levi | findlay: Running X11 anywhere is a hack. |
| 21:47.25 | shadowwire | Sounds nice. |
| 21:47.29 | levi | X11 is ugly, nasty stuff. |
| 21:47.31 | findlay | levi: true |
| 21:47.35 | mheath | shadowwire, Or look at OpenOffice.org. |
| 21:47.37 | klys_ | cinelerra has never run, for me. it locks up, it doesn't even get off the ground. I hear some people have had success with the exact right versions of things, but don't expect cinelerra to work |
| 21:47.40 | mheath | That USED to be a commercial program |
| 21:47.46 | mheath | Still is, with a couple differences + features |
| 21:47.53 | sjansen | Ugh, nobody can call OOo nice with a straight face. |
| 21:47.53 | shadowwire | Ive used openoffice. |
| 21:48.13 | mheath | sjansen, I prefer it to Microsoft Office. |
| 21:48.21 | sjansen | That's setting the bar too low. |
| 21:48.31 | findlay | gnumeric is nice |
| 21:48.45 | mheath | sjansen, maybe, but I'm arguing against his "you get what you pay for" comment |
| 21:48.51 | shadowwire | So, what does it do that ms office doesnt? |
| 21:48.51 | sjansen | And at least MS Office isn't a RAM hungry slow behemoth. |
| 21:48.55 | findlay | although low on features, it's way faster than OOo |
| 21:48.56 | mheath | sjansen, comparing it to the leading commercial program is appropriate. |
| 21:49.29 | mheath | shadowwire, Better layout options, inbuilt support for exporting to PDF... |
| 21:49.34 | klys_ | yeah, there have been a lot of nice 'apps', but there are a lot of 'tools' that don't require as much programming that are used in design fields, etc. |
| 21:49.51 | klys_ | a lot of the apps that you can find anymore have free versions |
| 21:49.53 | mheath | Say I want to export to PDF in Word |
| 21:50.05 | mheath | I'm paying about $140 for a basic version of Office |
| 21:50.25 | mheath | Then, If I want PDF support, I'm probably paying another $50 just for that ability |
| 21:50.38 | findlay | no, you just use PDFCreator |
| 21:50.41 | sjansen | Who cares what office costs? It's usually rolled into the cost of your computer. |
| 21:50.42 | findlay | duh :) |
| 21:50.43 | mheath | Can you tell me any reason the $50 print-to-PDF programs are better than OOo's export to PDF? |
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| 21:50.55 | sjansen | The important thing is your data. MS Office traps it. |
| 21:51.08 | mheath | sjansen, no its not |
| 21:51.16 | unum | who buys computes like that? |
| 21:51.16 | mheath | I have yet to see a recent computer with MS office preinstalled |
| 21:51.22 | \me | long time no see guys |
| 21:51.23 | findlay | sjansen: OOXML is a *standard*! |
| 21:51.28 | mheath | All the vendors are installing 30 day trials |
| 21:51.33 | \me | for some reason my .irssi/config file was borked |
| 21:51.36 | klys_ | there are a few programs on my to-buy itinerery: 7canaries (wav to midi conversion) is one |
| 21:52.00 | sjansen | OOXML == lipstick on a rabid wolverine in a pig suit |
| 21:52.05 | klys_ | shadowwire: what's up with you around friday night? |
| 21:52.11 | unum | am I the only one left who still builds his own computers? |
| 21:52.11 | findlay | heh |
| 21:52.29 | shadowwire | klys: moag. |
| 21:52.32 | mheath | klys_, https://gna.org/projects/fanr :) |
| 21:52.44 | sjansen | And when I say rabid, I mean has rabies will eventually kill you slowly and painfully. |
| 21:52.44 | shadowwire | I build my own. |
| 21:53.02 | klys_ | shadowwire: you want to consider logging in about that time, so I can sort of be around in case you come to it? |
| 21:53.03 | mheath | unum, I used to do that, but vendors often have better deals. |
| 21:53.35 | shadowwire | Better deals my ass! |
| 21:53.37 | mheath | unum, No matter how good of a deal you think you got on a piece of hardware, a vendor can get it for way cheaper when they buy 100,000 at a time. |
| 21:53.52 | mheath | shadowwire, Please show me where I can get a nice 20" monitor for $40? |
| 21:53.54 | shadowwire | and then mark it all up. |
| 21:54.03 | mheath | 20" LCD flatscreen* |
| 21:54.05 | sjansen | ~language shadowwire |
| 21:54.05 | ibot | ACTION grabs shadowwire by the ear and washes shadowwire's mouth out with soap |
| 21:54.10 | shadowwire | Pluss they get it cheap because they buy cheap shi*! |
| 21:54.19 | shadowwire | Sorry. |
| 21:54.57 | shadowwire | You pay for it with the computer mark up! |
| 21:55.13 | mheath | erm, wait |
| 21:55.18 | mheath | It was a 19" flatscreen |
| 21:55.23 | findlay | it's not worth it if you're looking for a prebuilt machine without the microsoft tax |
| 21:55.24 | mheath | It + an inkjet printer were $40 |
| 21:55.30 | mheath | The printer was cheap crap, your right, but still. |
| 21:55.43 | mheath | shadowwire, uh |
| 21:55.49 | mheath | shadowwire, Not $80. |
| 21:55.49 | shadowwire | Yes? |
| 21:56.07 | mheath | shadowwire, TMy exact model of monitor is for sale on ebay right now with a current bid of $120 |
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| 21:56.18 | shadowwire | I dont care. |
| 21:56.20 | mheath | I got it + my printer for $40 when bundled with my desktop |
| 21:56.31 | shadowwire | Wich was marked up crap. |
| 21:56.39 | unum | mheath: you probably over paid for the desktop |
| 21:56.47 | unum | my vendor beats dell %100 of the time |
| 21:56.47 | shadowwire | Right o |
| 21:56.56 | shadowwire | yup |
| 21:56.56 | klys | shadowwire: 'scuse me, mine cut out around 15:53, if you said anything besides 'I don't care" repeat |
| 21:57.18 | shadowwire | Sorry klys not important stuff. |
| 21:57.36 | mheath | unum, Ebay bid of my computer ended at $600. I paid $500. |
| 21:57.48 | mheath | $560 with the bundle and tax. |
| 21:57.48 | unum | doesn't mean it was a good deal |
| 21:57.50 | shadowwire | Ebay huh? |
| 21:57.54 | klys | shadowwire: you think you'll be on then though? |
| 21:58.09 | mrpull | ebay rarely offers good deals on things i'm searching for |
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| 21:59.05 | shadowwire | klys: I dont know? |
| 21:59.15 | klys__ | ok |
| 21:59.24 | mheath | $560 for a AMD Athlon 64X2, Gig of Ram, 350GB HDD, Nvidia GeForce 6100, 19" Monitor, Inkjet Printer, DVD-RW drive is overpaying? |
| 22:00.40 | shadowwire | Sounds like you got a good deal. mheath |
| 22:00.52 | mheath | shadowwire, OK. It was a computer on sale at Bestbuy. |
| 22:00.56 | mheath | Made by Acer. |
| 22:01.02 | mheath | Vendors get GOOD deals |
| 22:01.09 | mheath | Believe me, I used to make all my computers |
| 22:01.13 | mheath | and custom made computers for others |
| 22:01.30 | mheath | Every time my family members or friends wanted a computer, they'd come to me to put together a package for them |
| 22:01.44 | mheath | Then I discovered, a few years ago, that you usually really can't compete with the big vendors.. |
| 22:02.02 | shadowwire | I dont compete. |
| 22:02.11 | klys__ | mheath: gna looks interesting I'm wondering why I don't see it in debian. I'm also wondering if it user libfftw2 |
| 22:02.20 | klys__ | s/user/suses/ |
| 22:02.21 | shadowwire | I just get better equipment for cheaper when I build my own. |
| 22:02.28 | klys__ | haha I give up |
| 22:02.29 | mheath | There was an HP computer at Bestbuy |
| 22:02.33 | unum | I'm with shadowwire |
| 22:02.38 | RyanE | I've seen enough of those types of 'specials' that work fine until the PS goes out, then it kills the motherboard. As long as you're not using MS Windows, you're fine. If you're using Windows, you get to replace the PS, mobo, *and* Windows. |
| 22:02.38 | mheath | My brother was looking into it a few years ago |
| 22:02.53 | mheath | RyanE, this has a 2 year parts warranty :) |
| 22:03.04 | RyanE | yeah, and they hold it hostage while you wait for them to fix it. |
| 22:03.12 | mheath | Meh |
| 22:03.14 | unum | I'm bitter that the it manager is a dell guy, but atleast he stopped buying compaq's and hp's |
| 22:03.20 | mheath | I doubt Acer would be any worse than HP, and HP was really good with my laptop |
| 22:03.30 | mheath | When I got my laptop repaired by HP... |
| 22:03.30 | Jayce^_lap | oh sure RyanE you wait until I go to a conference to get back in #utah |
| 22:03.34 | shadowwire | they all stink. |
| 22:03.35 | RyanE | don't assume that big company #1 == big company #2. |
| 22:03.36 | mheath | It was at their place for two days |
| 22:03.42 | shadowwire | Except laptops. |
| 22:03.42 | Jayce^_lap | seu bobo |
| 22:03.46 | mheath | Not only did they fix the problem, they replaced all the casing because of a few minor scratches |
| 22:03.48 | RyanE | claro |
| 22:03.51 | unum | I hated dell less than hp |
| 22:03.56 | shadowwire | me to |
| 22:03.57 | unum | s/hated/hate |
| 22:04.09 | mheath | RyanE, My experience with Acer so far has been that they're way better than HP. |
| 22:04.28 | RyanE | Jayce^_lap: yeah, having irssi screwed up for a year and not having time to figure out why will do that to 'ya. |
| 22:04.29 | unum | I only buy from posh now |
| 22:04.37 | shadowwire | anything is better then HP/COMPAQ. |
| 22:04.51 | unum | if I was buying a bunch I'd have them assembled |
| 22:04.52 | RyanE | mheath: also don't assume pre-sales support == post-sales / repair support |
| 22:05.13 | shadowwire | Manufacturers parts waranty |
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| 22:06.29 | sjansen | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510046/ <-- Arrived today. :-) |
| 22:06.32 | brac | [O'Reilly Media -- Bookstore: Beautiful Code] |
| 22:06.33 | klys | wacom is the only penabled tablet manufacturer except for Acer, as far as the actual tablet part is concerned |
| 22:07.03 | klys | Acer has a tablet protocol (uses ISDV4), c100 |
| 22:07.33 | klys | and that's what's used on some of these new tablet pcs |
| 22:07.38 | mheath | pen enabled tablets are a joke. |
| 22:07.47 | klys | are a good way to draw. |
| 22:08.01 | mheath | Insane increases in expense for almost no additional practical functionality. |
| 22:08.06 | klys | just because the gimp doesn't pay much attention to the pressure setting |
| 22:08.21 | klys | it works well |
| 22:08.24 | mheath | Touchscreens are by far the most expensive component of any tablet system. |
| 22:08.33 | klys | it's not a touchscreen |
| 22:08.45 | klys | it's pressure sensitive and uses EMR to detect the pen |
| 22:08.52 | mheath | s/touchscreen/touchpad/g |
| 22:09.16 | mheath | The two are interchangeable. A touchscreen is just a clear touchpad ontop of a monitor. |
| 22:09.27 | mheath | touch sensitivity is _expensive_. |
| 22:09.52 | RyanE | They're actually not interchangeable. Different technologies, different issues. |
| 22:09.54 | klys | the system detects the pen much more sensitively than the lcd's resolution |
| 22:10.07 | RyanE | different target markets, etc. |
| 22:10.11 | mheath | RyanE, in sense of price for a large area, they are |
| 22:10.11 | \me | mheath: that's why I think Apple's latest patent for a lighted touchpad with responsive touch is more for their iphone/ipod line than anything else |
| 22:10.23 | \me | not to change the topic or anything... |
| 22:10.45 | \me | not that I ever pay attention to what the topic actually is ;-) |
| 22:11.08 | mheath | I've been looking into touchscreen prices lately a lot, and generally come to the conclusion that they're worthless as anything but a rich persons novelty. |
| 22:11.16 | klys | shadowwire: have you got an important project going on today? |
| 22:11.22 | mheath | Theres a lot more truly functional hardware that you can put into a system for the price of a touchscreen. |
| 22:11.51 | RyanE | Agreed, for a computer. If you're designing a product, it's a different ball of wax. |
| 22:11.58 | klys | mheath: thankfully I've never seriously had to consider drawing with a mouse |
| 22:12.09 | mheath | RyanE, I am designing a product :) |
| 22:12.21 | mheath | klys, Who said anything about a mouse? |
| 22:12.29 | mheath | Its not like traditional mice and toucpads are the only options. |
| 22:12.30 | RyanE | yeah, I think we're talking different product markets... I remember your product, unless it's changed from a year ago... :) |
| 22:12.50 | klys | mheath: a mouse is the alternative to tablet/penabled, and that's what I'd be stuck with had it not been for wacom, et.al. |
| 22:12.51 | mheath | RyanE, Has, somewhat, actually. Evolved. |
| 22:13.15 | mheath | RyanE, And solidified from some ideas and a drawn mockup to a working prototype |
| 22:13.19 | RyanE | I'm not surprised... It used to evolve every time you talked about it. :) |
| 22:13.30 | klys | you can get a penabled laptop for $500 |
| 22:13.41 | RyanE | cool. Designing and bringing a product to market is quite a large task. |
| 22:14.23 | mheath | RyanE, heh. "working prototype" == some hacked together electronics on my desk |
| 22:14.35 | mheath | And the entire idea has evolved such that this only compromises a small subset of the whole concept now |
| 22:14.46 | mheath | Still a very, very VERY long way from ever bringing it to market. |
| 22:15.10 | mheath | klys, My product will hopefully be sub-$100 when mass produced. |
| 22:15.42 | klys | mheath: is it relevant to lcd, etc. or is it an unrelated product design? |
| 22:16.48 | mheath | klys, heres an EARLY rendering of what I'm working on: http://blog.mtheath.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/tablet.jpg |
| 22:16.53 | klys | cool |
| 22:17.00 | mheath | That's from back when I hoped to include a touchscreen |
| 22:17.39 | klys | looks like a bento box :P |
| 22:17.47 | mheath | It has changed a lot. |
| 22:17.55 | klys | so is the other part for a palette or keyboard |
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| 22:18.17 | mheath | klys, Other part changed dynamically based on situation. Anything from a palette to a keyboard. |
| 22:18.20 | mheath | That doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:18.31 | mheath | It isn't a touchscreen now, and the screen isn't split |
| 22:19.09 | mheath | It will have a pop-out keyboard, and builtin buttons and trackball arranged in a way convenient for lots of different tasks including gaming. |
| 22:19.40 | mheath | klys, Theres a very brief synopsis about the whole concept (of which the Tablet Terminal is only a brief part) at http://blog.mtheath.net/?p=5 |
| 22:20.17 | klys | what do you think of my new idea for chromatography assisted image transforms: just wipe a detector over the region you wish to change, adjust the spectral boundaries, and transform only those parts of the image with color changing, smudge, etc. |
| 22:21.37 | mheath | I'm afraid I don't know much about advanced graphics creation / editing. |
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| 22:24.41 | mheath | klys, Sorry that synopsis is so short. I kept it that way to avoid revealing too much about the system. |
| 22:25.24 | klys | so, it has a cool peripheral, other than a trackball? :) |
| 22:26.00 | mheath | Yep. :) |
| 22:26.41 | sjansen | I'm not sure I want to use a fan as an interface. |
| 22:26.56 | sjansen | I'd be worried about the blades bruising even if they didn't break skin. |
| 22:27.50 | findlay | what's the debian /etc directory called where daemon options are stored? |
| 22:27.56 | mheath | sjansen, haha |
| 22:27.57 | RyanE | sjansen: Typically, as long as you're putting your fingers in the *front* of the fan, they don't break the skin, since they're angled away from you. |
| 22:28.06 | RyanE | but yeah, it's still painful. |
| 22:28.29 | klys | findlay: say, /etc/apache |
| 22:28.33 | mheath | klys, It is touch sensitive, but very non-conventional, and nothing that I'm aware of being on existing systems, the way I have it |
| 22:28.39 | findlay | klys: that's not it |
| 22:28.40 | mheath | But that's all I'm going to say :) |
| 22:28.48 | klys | findlay: then /etc/inetd.conf |
| 22:29.01 | findlay | klys: /etc/apache doesn't tell me what options httpd is started with |
| 22:29.15 | findlay | inetd is for a limited amount of network services |
| 22:29.32 | klys | findlay: look for httpd.conf |
| 22:30.02 | findlay | klys: no |
| 22:30.10 | findlay | you don't understand |
| 22:30.27 | findlay | see `man httpd` for details |
| 22:30.28 | klys | oh, /etc/init.d |
| 22:30.40 | mheath | hey, someone want to do a quick favor? |
| 22:30.45 | levi | findlay: What do you mean by 'daemon options'? |
| 22:30.45 | mheath | see if www.seacadets.org loads for you.. |
| 22:30.57 | findlay | klys: that's not it either |
| 22:31.14 | levi | findlay: Perhaps you mean /etc/default ? |
| 22:31.21 | findlay | redhat has a /etc/sysconfig dir and gentoo /etc/conf.d |
| 22:31.22 | findlay | that's it |
| 22:31.25 | klys | the scripts in /etc/init.d sometimes read options from /etc/default |
| 22:31.40 | findlay | thanks |
| 22:31.57 | levi | mheath: It loads a blank page, apparently. |
| 22:32.10 | mheath | thats what I thought. Hmm. |
| 22:32.43 | klys | mheath: you might be using a special sensor such as a gps |
| 22:32.58 | mheath | Heh. |
| 22:33.06 | mheath | I thought we were talking about input devices? |
| 22:33.16 | findlay | I want a sword input device |
| 22:33.28 | klys | right, then you started telling me about touch input |
| 22:34.47 | klys | I was just thinking about this other project where it detects the angle and where you're moving it |
| 22:34.52 | findlay | and then I started complaining that nobody would fix my debian problems |
| 22:35.43 | klys | are any of you into gaming |
| 22:35.53 | klys | like, rpg or related |
| 22:37.03 | mheath | I am, somewhat. |
| 22:38.11 | klys | I have been, but don't have many books on it, so I just mostly have some dice and don't know what else to do |
| 22:38.45 | klys | I want to make a table with croshairs |
| 22:38.53 | klys | movable crosshairs, two |
| 22:39.08 | klys | and a special dice firing system for determining accuracy and location |
| 22:39.40 | mheath | Oh, tabletop RPG |
| 22:40.18 | Jayce^_lap | klys, for a long time, but have a distinct lack of time nowadays |
| 22:41.05 | klys | jayce^: so what did you end up doing with it that was fun? draw maps? |
| 22:41.31 | Jayce^_lap | usually turned into a big pun-fest :) the social aspect was key |
| 22:42.13 | klys | sometimes we have party games where I live, and somoetimes we play catan, though nothing too serious is happening |
| 22:43.19 | klys | another guy here has a chinese chess set it's pretty cool |
| 22:45.46 | RyanE | http://gametable.galactanet.com/ |
| 22:45.47 | brac | [Gametable] |
| 22:47.37 | klys | ahh, it's java |
| 22:48.14 | findlay | ~java klys |
| 22:48.14 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: klys |
| 22:48.23 | klys | nice supplement to moonedit (I remember when there was just rjamm (java)) |
| 22:48.33 | RyanE | is that 'aaaaahhhhh', as in 'niiiiice', or is it 'ahh' as in 'oh crap...' |
| 22:48.48 | klys | just, I was just looking and noticed that |
| 22:49.21 | klys | would be nice if you could get fullscreen |
| 22:50.19 | RyanE | klys: I don't know much about it. I just remembered coming across it a couple of weeks ago. |
| 22:51.06 | klys | k |
| 22:51.28 | levi | Anyone know of a local place that sells outdoor TV antennas? |
| 22:53.09 | klys | sandy, provo, woods cross, or slc ? |
| 22:54.18 | klys | slc: olson electronics 1535 E 3300 S ste. 6, slc; a-1 quality tv & electronics mobile slc 573-2630 |
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| 22:54.35 | klys | the first one is 467-6358 |
| 22:55.06 | klys | provo: antennas & more, 1415 S 500 W, Prove 377-0538 |
| 22:55.14 | klys | s/ove/ovo/ |
| 22:55.38 | klys | also the other two I mentioned, if you ask |
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| 22:57.40 | RyanE | levi: Also, Radio Shack, if that's not too 'pedestrian' for ya... |
| 22:58.22 | levi | I'll try there and the local electronics superstores to see if they've got what I need. |
| 22:59.13 | bonez39 | I am helping my son get his feet wet with computing... if I were to set up a box on my office LAN...could I assign it some port...forward that port..to this machine, my son's machine..and could he then ssh : port number of this machine... ..to access it and work on it, from home? is this possible? |
| 23:00.02 | levi | Yes, that's possible. |
| 23:00.20 | klys | bonez39: look for "ssh tunneling" |
| 23:00.20 | levi | You just ssh -p <forwarded port number> <hostname of your router> |
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| 23:00.38 | klys | bonez39: also, pptpd |
| 23:01.11 | bonez39 | klys: levi thanks.... |
| 23:01.28 | bonez39 | also, other question...anyone here running zimbra? replacement for Exchange? |
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| 23:03.20 | chadbryant | Oh, it feels good to boot Ubuntu again... |
| 23:03.59 | findlay | how do you set your voicemail message? |
| 23:10.10 | chadbryant | findlay: what system? |
| 23:11.06 | findlay | asterisk |
| 23:11.49 | mheath | chadbryant, heh, I was saying that just the other day :P |
| 23:12.20 | mheath | I ended up with a wonderfully configured system: http://www.mtheath.net/Screenshot.png |
| 23:12.22 | chadbryant | ah, I know nothing re: asterisk |
| 23:12.57 | chadbryant | mheath: I'm dual-booting XP Home & Ubuntu 7.04, but I'll soon have little reason to boot to the XP side |
| 23:13.15 | mheath | chadbryant, I'm dual booting ubuntu and Vista, and the same is true :) |
| 23:13.49 | chadbryant | the only thing I'll really need XP for is the occasional game & iTunes |
| 23:14.22 | chadbryant | I was happy to figure out how to have XMMS play AAC files |
| 23:14.47 | mheath | Ew, XMMS |
| 23:14.51 | mheath | ~praise RhythmBox |
| 23:14.51 | ibot | All hail RhythmBox! |
| 23:14.52 | chadbryant | I use Winamp on the Windows side anyway |
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| 23:16.55 | chadbryant | I have iTunes for my iPod, and to manage my music folder |
| 23:17.13 | chadbryant | but I prefer Winamp for everyday playing |
| 23:19.25 | chadbryant | I'd really like to just dump Windows completely |
| 23:19.54 | mheath | I'm hoping to only keep it on my laptop, for school and some compatibility reasons. |
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| 23:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah. I update my router's software (which is stored on a CF card, in cramfs)... and then realize that I forgot ntp. Again. |
| 23:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Note: I only updated everything because I thought it would be a good time to, as I was going to install ntp :/ |
