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| 01:58.41 | Supaplex | I have before me, 1lb4oz of hot ready to eat hardwood smoked baby back ribs. mmmmm yumm |
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| 02:28.39 | brac | ~onjoin harleypig -chat about stuff |
| 02:28.39 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 02:36.08 | Supaplex | ?! |
| 02:36.15 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 03:20.42 | sontek | :O |
| 03:20.50 | Supaplex | sup |
| 03:21.13 | sontek | hows life? |
| 03:21.13 | Supaplex | with my cold, not so great |
| 03:21.19 | sontek | :( |
| 03:21.19 | Supaplex | otherwise, I guess it's ok. |
| 03:21.29 | sontek | I'm trying to find a hotel room in Portland for OSCOn |
| 03:21.32 | sontek | its hard =) |
| 03:21.43 | Supaplex | they don't have hotels there? |
| 03:21.51 | Supaplex | oh, a vacant one. |
| 03:21.56 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 04:02.35 | sontek | got one! |
| 04:02.38 | sontek | 1.1 miles away though |
| 04:02.45 | sontek | that'll be a nice walk everyday |
| 04:04.21 | Supaplex | heh |
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| 08:37.41 | Lakshmi | hi |
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| 16:39.41 | brac | stuff went into 2.4 |
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| 16:40.00 | ibot | onjoin for harleypig set by brac on Sat Jul 21 20:28:39 2007: -chat about stuff |
| 16:40.21 | harleypig | Anybody good with javascript and familiar withprototype listening? |
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| 18:34.43 | QBFreak | -chat about your feet |
| 18:34.45 | brac | your feet wet, so that you could just chop it all from a guy who has the right direction, though I guess i'll have to drive without it and write it that long :P |
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| 19:05.03 | mtheath | It's kind of interesting that Linux is exempted from the kind of lawsuits Microsoft faced a while back where they were told they had to make it easy for users to intall alternative browsers, etc. |
| 19:05.27 | mtheath | lots of linux distros don't make that easy either |
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| 19:06.17 | mtheath | You can argue that, with Linux, you can always go play with the stuff under the hood and customize everything and install what you want anyway |
| 19:07.15 | mtheath | But when it comes down to a strict, legal sense, you can do that with Windows just as much - it would be quite legal and simple for a developer to make a better explorer.exe, or replace core libraries that do things the way you want it done. WINE alrady writes clones of core windows components, and gets away with it |
| 19:10.22 | herlo | mtheath: except that the big difference is that with Linux, the browsers are NOT part of the operating system, which is why M$ was told to remove the advantages it gives to IE and/or make them avaialable to *all* browsers. In linux you get this out of the box... |
| 19:12.01 | mtheath | herlo, My comments are mainly sparked by http://slashdot.org/articles/07/07/22/1247210.shtml |
| 19:12.11 | mtheath | (Sorry for linking there, their site is down) |
| 19:12.34 | mtheath | Thats a Linux desktop environment with insane Firefox integration |
| 19:12.45 | herlo | mtheath: np. Not everything on /. is valid. They do have good stories sometimes... |
| 19:13.09 | mtheath | What makes a system like Windows prone to legal attacks like that, and not a distro based on something like this? |
| 19:15.20 | herlo | the openness of Linux vs the closedness of M$ |
| 19:16.29 | mtheath | Technically, Microsoft sofwtare is not closed at all |
| 19:16.29 | mtheath | All their APIs are well documented |
| 19:16.34 | herlo | mtheath: but their code is closed |
| 19:16.42 | mtheath | It would probably be much easier for people to make things that caused sweeping changes to the MS OS than it would be for Linux. |
| 19:16.43 | herlo | mtheath: and that's why they are liable to be sued, where linux will not |
| 19:16.48 | mtheath | (in some situatios |
| 19:17.01 | herlo | mtheath: not legally |
| 19:17.15 | mtheath | herlo, Sure, legally. How do you think things like WINE exist? |
| 19:17.28 | mtheath | WINE is a legal reimplementation of the complete Windows API. |
| 19:17.54 | mtheath | There is a WINE shell, an explorer.exe-like thing. As a basic example of a change you could make to Windows, you could copy over that new shell and run it as your main shell on Windows. |
| 19:18.04 | herlo | mtheath: true, but they didn't *read* any windows code to do it. They probably used other techniques like reverse engineering and such |
| 19:18.13 | mtheath | No |
| 19:18.33 | herlo | if they had read the code, m$ could sue them because they could read the code and say its the same |
| 19:18.41 | herlo | the wine code |
| 19:18.44 | mtheath | They read documentation by Microsoft, that is publicly available and on the internet, that invites changes and use of Microsoft software. |
| 19:18.57 | mtheath | herlo, I know. My point is, you don't have to read the code to make changes to an operating system |
| 19:19.18 | mtheath | Thefore, your ability to make changes to an OS are the same, whether it is commercial or open source. |
| 19:19.29 | herlo | mtheath: if you are using only their api, that's not really changing hte os |
| 19:19.49 | herlo | mtheath: if you are modifying their source code (windows) without license, that's illegal. |
| 19:20.13 | herlo | mtheath: if you are modifying linux's source code, you are granted the license |
| 19:20.17 | herlo | and that's legal |
| 19:20.24 | mtheath | I'm not talking about modifying their source code. |
| 19:20.36 | mtheath | I never said anything about modifying Windows source code. |
| 19:40.11 | mtheath | Anyone here use GNU Parted much? |
| 19:49.56 | Supaplex | not a whole lot, but yea |
| 19:50.50 | mtheath | Does it support moving a partitions starting place? |
| 19:51.01 | mtheath | I'm thinking about installing Linux on this system, to dual-boot with Windows. |
| 19:51.18 | mtheath | So the partition scheme would roughly be |Windows | Linux | Swap | |
| 19:51.38 | mtheath | What if I want to eventually ditch windows and just have | Linux | Swap | ? Would Parted do that? |
| 19:51.57 | Supaplex | I'm not sure what happens to the data, but I think it might |
| 19:56.38 | mtheath | I'm excited. First time running a true 64 bit operating system on this system :) |
| 20:05.45 | Supaplex | what, dos not good enough for you? ;) |
| 20:07.41 | mtheath | meh, they make 64bit windows |
| 20:07.45 | mtheath | Never had the money to get one |
| 20:07.49 | mtheath | and vendors never preinstall it |
| 20:10.32 | Supaplex | afaik, 64bit windows it's fully 64bit. |
| 20:10.41 | Supaplex | i don't recall what |
| 20:10.55 | mtheath | huh? |
| 20:11.06 | mtheath | s/it's/isn't/g ? |
| 20:19.23 | Supaplex | oh yeah. |
| 20:19.36 | Supaplex | it's not |
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| 20:28.59 | mtheath | yah, Itunes is smart enough to not try to import the subdirectory that you're imprting things to :P |
| 20:33.47 | Supaplex | haha cool. |
| 21:46.44 | findlay | ~cool mtheath |
| 21:46.45 | ibot | ACTION takes out a fan to wave over mtheath but decides to beat mtheath with it instead |
| 21:47.18 | mtheath | Uh |
| 21:47.22 | mtheath | Thanks, findlay. |
| 21:49.45 | mtheath | I don't understand what Windows is doing. O.o |
| 22:04.24 | Supaplex | crumbling |
| 22:04.44 | mtheath | I decided to try the file backup thing builtin to it |
| 22:04.53 | mtheath | Its spent about an hour now "Formatting the disk..." |
| 22:05.12 | mtheath | Why does it need to Format an already formatted DVD for filesystem backup? And why does it take so long? |
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| 22:37.04 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 22:37.04 | ibot | judo chops windows |
| 22:37.25 | mtheath | Thank you, findlay.\ |
| 22:37.39 | findlay | no problem |
| 22:38.00 | findlay | any time you need someone to lart windows I'll be here |
| 22:38.09 | Supaplex | me to ;) |
| 22:38.11 | mtheath | OK, I'll be in contact. |
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| 22:49.40 | brac | stuff was related to... |
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