| 00:46.56 | findlay | I'm in the mood for the scherzo from Beethoven't 9th symphony |
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| 01:12.15 | elg | -metar klru |
| 01:12.17 | brac | KLRU 190053Z AUTO 14011G15KT 10SM CLR 34/13 A2999 RMK AO2 |
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| 01:32.49 | sjansen | ~tickle Supaplex |
| 01:32.49 | ibot | ACTION jumps on Supaplex, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 01:33.44 | Supaplex | hey there :) |
| 01:34.54 | Supaplex | reeses pieces are tEh yummies |
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| 01:37.46 | sjansen | Jabber: sjansen@buscaluz.org |
| 01:46.32 | Tene | Hmm... sinuhe needs a verb. |
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| 02:11.57 | sinuhe | I'm used to ircII and have just switched to irssi. My normally logging, and auto logon, sets are not working well. Any ircII users that would have a suggestion? |
| 02:12.12 | sinuhe | Tene: I need a verb? |
| 02:13.21 | mheath | So |
| 02:13.25 | mheath | My bread turned out...OK. |
| 02:15.36 | elg | elaborate? |
| 02:16.17 | mheath | Rose really well, but prompty fell quite a bit after being put in the oven |
| 02:16.30 | mheath | Crust was way too thick and dark...turned out more like french bread. |
| 02:16.48 | mheath | heh, I'm IRCig using our TV as a monitor |
| 02:16.56 | mheath | I figured I should finally put my dads new HD TV to use |
| 02:17.01 | mheath | It doesn't have a single HD thing hooked up to it |
| 02:17.10 | mheath | So I hooked my laptop up to it. I'm loving it :P |
| 02:17.33 | elg | overproofed it sounds like |
| 02:17.44 | elg | and perhaps overcooked. describe how you cooked it |
| 02:18.11 | mheath | 400 degrees, 30 minutes |
| 02:18.14 | mheath | I think it was overcookedd |
| 02:18.25 | mheath | It was still quite good. Just a lot more like french bread than normal bread |
| 02:18.56 | elg | some of us like that :) but if you want a softer crust, cook at 350 or so |
| 02:19.28 | elg | lower heat: softer crust longer bake |
| 02:19.39 | elg | higher heat: crustier and bakes faster |
| 02:20.00 | elg | really high heat, with steam, wonderful artisan bread |
| 02:20.26 | mheath | So, doesn't Windows Vista's new "Presentation Mode" mean that the laptop won't go to sleep, turn off the displays etc? |
| 02:20.39 | mheath | My laptop went to sleep while I was watching a movie earier |
| 02:20.45 | mheath | And it was in presetation mode |
| 02:20.47 | elg | probably. unless you're doing a critical presentation, of course |
| 02:21.43 | mheath | i need to get out of Utah. Pity going to school out of state costs so much. |
| 02:41.52 | elg | this looks almost interesting enough to try |
| 02:41.52 | elg | http://sup.rubyforge.org/ |
| 02:41.54 | brac | [Sup] |
| 02:46.14 | elg | heh. |
| 02:46.16 | elg | "I've spent |
| 02:46.16 | elg | the last 10 years of my life laboriously hand-filing every email |
| 02:46.16 | elg | message I received and feeling a mild sense of panic every time an |
| 02:46.16 | elg | email was both "from Mom" and "about school"." |
| 02:47.20 | elg | http://sup.rubyforge.org/Philosophy.txt |
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| 03:02.47 | tensai | I find the same problem with mp3 genres. I really wish I had tags ala delicious. |
| 03:04.16 | levi_home | elg: Looks interesting. |
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| 03:15.13 | rsimpkins | yum experts: How do I find all the packages installed from a specific repository? |
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| 03:27.30 | mheath | don't think thats entirely possible... |
| 03:45.45 | mheath | You might TRY a list all with --disablerepo's for all but the one you want.. |
| 03:45.50 | mheath | Doubt that will work though |
| 03:45.54 | mheath | I doubt list honors disablerepos |
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| 04:29.06 | helix400 | ack, i'm trying to remember the name of something, and it's driving me mad! Mad I tells ya! So I need the help of an all-knowing IRC chat room to help identify what comic this comes from: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3460/techvi9.jpg |
| 04:30.04 | helix400 | the flash comic is about a cat mainly...this is just when he talks to an indian tech support person |
| 04:34.22 | Supaplex | Foamy's rants |
| 04:34.36 | helix400 | yes! |
| 04:34.52 | fozzmoo | ~smack helix400 |
| 04:34.53 | ibot | ACTION smacks helix400 upside the head. |
| 04:34.57 | helix400 | hey doran |
| 04:35.11 | fozzmoo | hi. |
| 04:35.17 | helix400 | sorry, my google-fu failed me...dozens of searches...couldn't figure out how to find it |
| 04:35.28 | helix400 | "bitter cat flash comic" "angry cat indian tech support". Nothing worked |
| 04:35.29 | fozzmoo | Who knew #utah could save you? |
| 04:35.33 | helix400 | adam did |
| 04:36.17 | helix400 | all i got was lots of internet cat caption sites 'I am in ur fridge, eating your foodz' |
| 04:36.29 | helix400 | anyways, thanks for the help. I knew the #utah chat room wouldn't let me down |
| 04:39.20 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 04:39.26 | Supaplex | ~lart helix400 for forgetting Foamy |
| 04:39.26 | ibot | squeezes helix400 till helix400 turns blue like papa smurf for forgetting Foamy |
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| 04:48.04 | madmat | anyone want to chat |
| 04:48.59 | elg | -chat bitter cat |
| 04:48.59 | brac | bitter cat |
| 04:49.02 | madmat | anyone even on here |
| 04:49.05 | elg | -chat thanks for |
| 04:49.05 | brac | thanks for the failure handler. route(8) is asterisk |
| 04:49.18 | elg | -markov probability 10 |
| 04:49.18 | brac | can do! |
| 04:53.26 | elg | ~cookie |
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| 04:54.43 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 04:55.16 | levi_home | ~cookie |
| 04:55.45 | levi_home | ~cookie |
| 04:56.04 | levi_home | Oddness. How nice. |
| 04:56.17 | fozzmoo | madmat: ASL! |
| 04:57.42 | madmat | 16 m utah |
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| 04:59.55 | sontek | raventh1: ping! |
| 04:59.59 | sontek | raventh1: you missed sllug |
| 05:00.04 | levi_home | Ack, more teenagers. |
| 05:01.23 | chadbryant | not all teenagers are bad |
| 05:01.34 | madmat | yeah |
| 05:01.36 | chadbryant | if they're 19/f, that's just fine with me |
| 05:02.40 | madmat | anyone here live in salt lake |
| 05:07.03 | sontek | http://digg.com/tech_news/Utah_Open_Source_Conference_2007 digg! |
| 05:08.56 | sontek | whoops wrong link |
| 05:09.27 | madmat | boring |
| 05:12.16 | herlo | ~lart madmat |
| 05:12.16 | ibot | runs at madmat with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 05:14.40 | herlo | madmat: many of us do, why is that link boring? |
| 05:16.13 | madmat | i didnt even go to that i was talking about u people none of u even talk |
| 05:16.52 | levi_home | madmat is not helping my impression of teenagers on IRC. |
| 05:17.20 | madmat | well maybe if u people talked |
| 05:17.31 | levi_home | If you think it's dull here, start an interesting conversation or wait for one to happen, don't complain about it. |
| 05:17.39 | madmat | dont u people do anything fun |
| 05:17.43 | levi_home | Or, you could go away. |
| 05:17.58 | levi_home | It's up to you; I don't really care about whether you're entertained or not. |
| 05:18.07 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.15 | TheTiGuR | I do fun things, but they generally involve me not being at my computer |
| 05:18.17 | sontek | gah! another mheath ! |
| 05:18.17 | mheath | At least I don't count as a teenager anymore :P |
| 05:18.21 | mheath | Meh, I guess I do. |
| 05:18.29 | mheath | Not a child anymore, at least. |
| 05:19.12 | TheTiGuR | If you are looking for play-play action in our daily lives, you'll probably have better luck elsewhere |
| 05:19.22 | TheTiGuR | s/-/-by-/ |
| 05:19.24 | herlo | madmat: don't use the u |
| 05:19.36 | herlo | madmat: use proper english to start, or at least attempt it |
| 05:19.46 | levi_home | madmat: This is actually a fairly friendly place, but most frequenters are asleep now. |
| 05:20.01 | levi_home | madmat: But we don't suffer fools gladly. |
| 05:20.11 | madmat | fuck off u losers u r a bunch of faget nerd fuck faces so go fuck off and die |
| 05:20.15 | mheath | Except for me, I get away with a lot of stuff. |
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| 05:20.17 | mheath | ... |
| 05:20.18 | mheath | Wow. |
| 05:20.20 | TheTiGuR | I have a hard enough time suffering my own children |
| 05:20.21 | mheath | Buy, madmat |
| 05:20.22 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 05:20.32 | herlo | ~language madmat |
| 05:20.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs madmat by the ear and washes madmat's mouth out with soap |
| 05:20.46 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 05:20.46 | levi_home | madmat: The door is that way. Bye. |
| 05:21.05 | madmat | fuck off u faget nerd go fuck ur dog u loser bitch |
| 05:21.05 | mheath | Aww, no ops. :( |
| 05:21.17 | mheath | Wow |
| 05:21.31 | mheath | That was a harty, enthusiastic "Ciao!" for being so angry. |
| 05:21.34 | TheTiGuR | He sure knows how to make friends |
| 05:21.43 | levi_home | Nice kid. |
| 05:21.52 | herlo | friends flock to him, he doesnt' need us |
| 05:21.59 | mheath | Need him in here more often. Makes me look better, in comparison. |
| 05:21.59 | herlo | I have a shirt that I'd like to give him |
| 05:22.08 | herlo | it says "Fuck you, I have enough friends" |
| 05:22.21 | herlo | at the time, I thought it was funny |
| 05:22.21 | mheath | Hah |
| 05:23.18 | mheath | I wonder how much it costs to go to school out of state, versus instate. |
| 05:23.34 | levi_home | Lots more, generally. |
| 05:23.45 | levi_home | Of course, it depends on the school. |
| 05:24.25 | mheath | I know its cheaper for me to go to University of Wyoming than most schools, as they apparently have a children-of-alumni-get-cheaper-rates thing |
| 05:27.54 | mheath | University of Utah has me excited though |
| 05:27.58 | mheath | IT really seems like they have a good program |
| 05:28.11 | mheath | Hard to get excited about college in general, though, when its really not what I want to be doing at the moment.. |
| 05:32.36 | levi_home | Well, it's generally worth doing, and it's best to do it as early as you can. |
| 05:35.36 | mheath | Yeah, I know. |
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| 05:46.31 | harleypig | anyone familiar with prototype.js? |
| 05:46.53 | herlo | harleypig: I've used it before, but its been a while |
| 05:47.37 | herlo | harleypig: did you see that we've got people buying your thong when they register for the Utah Open Source Conference? |
| 05:47.38 | harleypig | I need to write a demo for a customer order browser using ajax. |
| 05:47.45 | harleypig | ?! |
| 05:47.48 | harleypig | Seriously? |
| 05:47.52 | herlo | yeah |
| 05:48.00 | harleypig | That's hilarious! |
| 05:48.01 | herlo | well, nobodys buying yet |
| 05:48.07 | herlo | but its available |
| 05:48.08 | mheath | ugh |
| 05:48.36 | herlo | harleypig: it says utah open source confernce on the back |
| 05:48.47 | sontek | I'm gonna buy a few to raffle off at the conference |
| 05:48.49 | herlo | I do plan on putting your face on tshirts and marketing it too |
| 05:48.55 | harleypig | Well, I still have a can of the green coloring ... if you want a better picture we can make arrangements ... |
| 05:49.25 | herlo | something like: Can you believe this guy loves open source? You can be *just* like him. |
| 05:49.32 | harleypig | :D |
| 05:49.33 | herlo | Well, almost... |
| 05:49.48 | mheath | GAH |
| 05:49.57 | mheath | $199?! |
| 05:49.58 | herlo | and on the back it'll say Utah Open Source Conference 2007 - The Convergence... |
| 05:50.06 | mheath | So muhc for my "I'll go to UTOSC, sounds cool" idea. |
| 05:50.10 | herlo | mheath: you can get a discount, just ask your UG leader |
| 05:50.28 | harleypig | $199 isn't much at all for a conference. Even a three day one. |
| 05:50.37 | mheath | Not really in any UG |
| 05:50.52 | sontek | mheath: you still have time to join =) |
| 05:50.57 | mheath | harleypig: It is for an unemployed 18 year old starting school! |
| 05:50.59 | sontek | mheath: but join oalug or something |
| 05:51.12 | sontek | mheath: sllug and plug are full |
| 05:51.19 | mheath | ~lart sontek |
| 05:51.19 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on sontek |
| 05:51.24 | sontek | :[ |
| 05:51.40 | sontek | Just kidding! |
| 05:51.42 | sontek | ~hug mheath |
| 05:51.43 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs mheath |
| 05:51.43 | mheath | I resent that. I contend that I am much more likable in person. |
| 05:51.47 | herlo | mheath: try attending a meeting up in Ogden or go to SLLUG or soemthing |
| 05:52.04 | sontek | We have Ubuntu meets on Saturday too! |
| 05:52.09 | mheath | How much is it with the discount? $150? Heh. |
| 05:52.20 | sontek | It'll cost $40 for the full event |
| 05:52.49 | sontek | But we highly urge people to purchase a harley pig thong too |
| 05:53.46 | sontek | mheath: the event isn't for 50 more days, so if you save $1/day starting now, you'll have enough to go |
| 05:54.08 | mheath | Hard to do, as I don't have a job at the moment. |
| 05:54.26 | mheath | And any money I make needs to go to paying off my credit card / debt, and school |
| 05:54.31 | sontek | slacker |
| 05:55.12 | mheath | Grr, google sketchup freezes on this computer |
| 05:55.15 | mheath | wanted to try it...hmm |
| 05:55.35 | mheath | sontek: Yeah, sorry I work on paying off credit cards and education rather than freakin $200 conferences. |
| 05:57.11 | mheath | ~lart credit cards |
| 05:57.11 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets credit cards feel it |
| 05:57.13 | mheath | ~lart debt |
| 05:57.13 | ibot | blasts debt with a huge firehose then strangles debt with it |
| 05:57.59 | harleypig | shit mheath, if you want it bad enough you can do it ... you've had several pointers ... if you don't, stop bitching about it. |
| 05:58.26 | sontek | mheath: you are looking at this the wrong way, $40 could give you the networking opportunity you need to land your dream job. |
| 05:58.56 | mheath | YOu take me way too seriously, harleypig |
| 05:59.07 | mheath | I'm mainly frustrated because I really am 18 and have a lot of problems with debt at the moment |
| 05:59.33 | sontek | mheath: How about this, we give you the entrance for free but you have to sumo wrestle harley on stage |
| 05:59.47 | mheath | Mainly because I made a lot of purchases that I could entirely afford at the time, but..well..sitautions change :( |
| 06:00.14 | mheath | Heh. |
| 06:00.33 | harleypig | sontek: Aghh ... are you kidding ... the only way I'd do that is if you paid for the hospital bill afterward and I can take a quad dose of my lortab before hand! |
| 06:00.55 | mheath | Who's hopsital bill? Your, or mine? |
| 06:01.05 | mheath | Is harleypig admitting potential defeat in my hands? :P |
| 06:01.14 | harleypig | Mine ... I've developed a bad back over the last 3 months. |
| 06:01.27 | mheath | Meh, I developed a bad knee, so we're even. ;-) |
| 06:01.37 | harleypig | No ... I'd still win ... but I'd be in so much pain that I'm not sure it'd be worth it. |
| 06:01.38 | harleypig | :> |
| 06:01.43 | herlo | sontek: that sumo thing won't happen this year |
| 06:01.46 | herlo | :) |
| 06:01.55 | sontek | herlo: we can make anything happeN! |
| 06:02.11 | herlo | sontek: unless its in the parking lot with lots of money being exchanged |
| 06:02.14 | mheath | herlo: How about this. I give you a loaf of my delicious fresh baked bread for free admission? ;-) |
| 06:02.20 | herlo | mheath: no |
| 06:02.29 | mheath | It was worth a try. :( |
| 06:02.36 | herlo | free admission is only for admins and volunteers and we're already full |
| 06:03.28 | mheath | I wanted to give a presenation at the conference, but was out of town most of the time you apparently had registration open for it. |
| 06:03.45 | mheath | That and I got ignored when I tried several times to talk to you about it in here.. =\ |
| 06:04.46 | mheath | Oh well. Hard to get to provo from ogden without a car, anyway :P |
| 06:06.46 | herlo | mheath: I've had you on ignore for much of my time. Its not that I don't like you, but you are so verbose and I don't usually care for what you are talking about |
| 06:07.03 | herlo | #utah is a very different place when you aren't here |
| 06:07.13 | herlo | mheath: and please don't take that as I am being rude. |
| 06:07.32 | herlo | mheath: we've all been 18 before, and had to learn respect. It will come |
| 06:07.42 | mheath | I used to be relatively happy, content, and enjoying things...Interesting how bad things start happening to me once I'm told how unhappy I am. |
| 06:08.00 | herlo | mheath: I never said you were unhappy |
| 06:08.11 | mheath | herlo: I wasn't talking about you. |
| 06:08.14 | herlo | mheath: nor am I pointing out that what you are doing is bad... |
| 06:08.30 | herlo | I am just pointing out that the world doesn't revolve around you |
| 06:08.55 | mheath | Meh. Lots of times I try to stay on topic and talk about open source ideas in here |
| 06:09.03 | herlo | I am sure you do |
| 06:09.06 | mheath | Most of the time when that happens, my input and ideas are spat on |
| 06:09.19 | mheath | So, I don't care to do that much anymore |
| 06:09.34 | herlo | mheath: it might be related to your disregard for others opinions that I've seen |
| 06:09.59 | herlo | mheath: I'm not suggesting that you do it intentionally, but I've seen it on more than one occasion. |
| 06:11.03 | herlo | I hope you don't get pissed off and /ignore me too, because I don't think that's a good solution |
| 06:11.24 | mheath | I know. Trouble is, I don't know whats a good solution to/for anything in life anymore. |
| 06:12.35 | herlo | patience |
| 06:12.43 | mheath | Lots of solutions, no good ones :P |
| 06:14.40 | mheath | I dunno. Maybe its wrong of me, but I feel insulted when I'm told I act like "all the other 18 year olds".. |
| 06:15.02 | fozzmoo | Yeah- All 18 year-olds feel that way. |
| 06:15.04 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 06:15.07 | herlo | mheath: whether its insulting or not, you are 18 |
| 06:15.23 | mheath | Heh |
| 06:15.33 | mheath | I went to a college orientation up at weber state a week ago |
| 06:15.42 | herlo | and that makes you 21? |
| 06:15.44 | mheath | Never felt so insanely out of place in my life =P |
| 06:16.01 | fozzmoo | Lots of good looking people there, eh? |
| 06:16.01 | mheath | Room full of people the same age as me, lots even went to the same highschool |
| 06:16.02 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 06:16.12 | mheath | They'd all just graduated from highschool |
| 06:16.20 | fozzmoo | Sorry, mheath, I'm super-caffeinated. |
| 06:16.29 | herlo | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 06:16.29 | ibot | takes fozzmoo to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 06:16.35 | fozzmoo | Wheeee! |
| 06:16.37 | herlo | ~caffeine fozzmoo |
| 06:16.42 | mheath | I've lost two jobs. Been misdiagnosed with a lifethreatening disease. Forced myself through several months of physical therapy. |
| 06:16.57 | herlo | mheath: that's life, don't bitch about it |
| 06:17.01 | mheath | Been misdiagnosed with mental health problems. |
| 06:17.06 | mheath | I'm not copmlaining |
| 06:17.08 | mheath | I know thats life |
| 06:17.13 | herlo | everybody has those problems |
| 06:17.23 | mheath | I just feel that I, at 18, have been through more than your average 18 year old |
| 06:17.25 | fozzmoo | Could be nice to settle down into a "normal" scene for a while, eh? |
| 06:17.37 | herlo | but it sure sounds like complaining. You don't announce those things, you let people ask you... |
| 06:17.51 | herlo | at least that's how I figured it out.. |
| 06:18.09 | herlo | mheath: could be, people mature differntly |
| 06:18.37 | herlo | mheath: good luck |
| 06:19.07 | mheath | Anyway |
| 06:19.28 | mheath | fozzmoo: indeed. Just want to be happy and normal :P |
| 06:19.34 | mheath | I've bene working on lots of sketches for HHES |
| 06:19.50 | mheath | I was going to try to make some 3D mockups, but none of the programs I wanted to use are cooperating properly. Grr.. |
| 06:20.07 | mheath | Google Sketchup for one keeps crashing on me |
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| 06:27.05 | mheath | I've been working on a lot of ideas for home automation for it, too. |
| 06:35.03 | mheath | Hey, what was the technology they used to have for telephone-over-power-outlets? |
| 06:35.13 | mheath | I know its simple enough to do, but wondering if there was a specific name for it |
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| 06:58.50 | mheath | TimRiker: You here, or is that an auto reconnect? |
| 07:30.32 | mheath | Heh, have you ever noticed that a lot of zealots criticize sites that block non-IE browsers for no reason.l. |
| 07:30.39 | mheath | and then others turn around and do the exact same to IE? |
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| 09:37.21 | raventh1 | sontek: ping |
| 09:37.32 | raventh1 | sontek: i hateses delaware |
| 09:53.20 | raventh1 | grryawn |
| 10:03.51 | raventh1 | ya i hate tmobile too |
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| 14:24.29 | goozbach | ~pineapple sinuhe |
| 14:26.25 | goozbach | sinuhe: you're going to be spending two straight weeks in Houston. how does that make you feel? |
| 14:27.19 | sinuhe | Uh...once it was head south until you smell, and east until you step in it. Now I'm up to my ears in it and have to do it again next week. |
| 14:27.29 | sinuhe | :-) |
| 14:28.21 | sinuhe | goozbach: put another way, it will be good as long as I pass the damn tests. |
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| 14:32.00 | sjansen | ~language sinuhe |
| 14:32.01 | ibot | ACTION grabs sinuhe by the ear and washes sinuhe's mouth out with soap |
| 14:32.28 | levi | Ow, ow. Power bill from hell. |
| 14:32.32 | sinuhe | Oh, puh-lease. Damn and hell don't count as swearing. |
| 14:32.52 | sjansen | #utah has a strict family friendly policy |
| 14:32.54 | levi | If they do, I'm in trouble. ;) |
| 14:33.04 | sjansen | No swearing. No discussing pr0n. No discussing emacs. |
| 14:33.19 | sinuhe | LOL |
| 14:33.35 | harleypig | But I'm a special exception. |
| 14:33.38 | levi | I'm sure I'll say damn and hell plenty when reading the Bible with my kids. And then we'll move on to the emacs tutorial sessions... |
| 14:33.38 | sinuhe | However, damn and hell don't count as swearing. |
| 14:33.39 | harleypig | Utah special. |
| 14:33.58 | levi | By the way, I just found out that my kid-on-the-way is a boy. :) |
| 14:34.17 | harleypig | Cool ... your first child? boy? |
| 14:34.29 | levi | Second. My first is a girl. |
| 14:34.31 | sjansen | ~congratulate levi |
| 14:34.32 | ibot | ACTION congratulates levi on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
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| 14:34.36 | harleypig | :D |
| 14:34.37 | sinuhe | Now, see, piss would be worse than f--- in England, and f--- off in England, would be the colloquial of saying, "No kidding?" |
| 14:34.52 | harleypig | What about "sod off"? |
| 14:34.56 | elg | what about bloody? |
| 14:34.57 | harleypig | and 'bloody'? |
| 14:35.12 | elg | and bugger? |
| 14:35.12 | sinuhe | Well, sod off, when be closer to the US "F--- off" |
| 14:35.25 | sinuhe | "Piss off" could get you stabbed. |
| 14:35.28 | harleypig | Just for clarification, that's 'face off' right? |
| 14:35.31 | sjansen | ~language harleypig |
| 14:35.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs harleypig by the ear and washes harleypig's mouth out with soap |
| 14:35.41 | harleypig | mmmm ... soap |
| 14:35.48 | sjansen | ~language elg |
| 14:35.48 | ibot | ACTION grabs elg by the ear and washes elg's mouth out with soap |
| 14:35.48 | sinuhe | Bloody and bugger aren't much worse than our, "That sucks. |
| 14:35.49 | sinuhe | " |
| 14:36.18 | levi | I didn't realize it was that profane there. |
| 14:36.23 | elg | ok. I remember someone saying in grade school that bloody was worse than f@#! over there, and that never made much sense |
| 14:36.57 | elg | doesn't it come from "by our lady" or something like that? |
| 14:37.03 | levi | I have it on good authority that you shouldn't use 'fanny' in Australia, though, as it refers to a different part of the anatomy. |
| 14:37.05 | harleypig | elg: I had a English sister in my mtc group. She said that it had to do with the blood of christ. |
| 14:37.07 | sinuhe | So, bloody hell, I'm sure has already been heard by sjansen when I hit, say, the section on samba connections to the unmentionable OS. |
| 14:37.15 | sinuhe | s/OS/excuse for an OS/ |
| 14:37.44 | sinuhe | fanny in England and Australia is a woman's rear, but for other reasons than we would use fanny. |
| 14:38.21 | sinuhe | bloody refers to Queen Mary, and her killing of Protestants for their heresy. |
| 14:38.30 | sinuhe | Hence, Bloody Mary. |
| 14:38.50 | levi | Well, I was told something to that effect by an older Australian missionary lady, and she was understandably vague about the exact meaning. |
| 14:39.17 | levi | But she got upset frequently at missionaries for using the term 'fanny-pack', which some of them used around her just because they knew they'd get a rise out of her. |
| 14:39.20 | sinuhe | My first girl friend was English. When I referred to my "fanny pack," she immediately corrected me that it was a bum bag. |
| 14:40.21 | elg | http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxbloody.html |
| 14:40.24 | brac | [AUE: FAQ excerpt: "bloody"] |
| 14:41.45 | elg | hmm, plug jabber down. |
| 14:42.25 | sinuhe | Interesting. I tend to follow the OED. My response was that that most English *think* it means and I never have bothered to look otherwise. Once I get home, I'll pull out my OED. |
| 14:43.23 | sinuhe | As for the by our lady approach, I say bloody rediculous. |
| 14:43.27 | sinuhe | :-) |
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| 14:47.04 | elg | ya, you can't always go by what people think. for example, some might think flippin' comes as an tame alternative to the big F, but it really comes from the reaction of dolphins to harleypig in a thong doing a cannonball |
| 14:48.14 | elg | oh look, northsky is back |
| 14:48.52 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 15:18.30 | mrpull | ~seen rsimpkins |
| 15:18.38 | ibot | rsimpkins <n=rsimpkin@io.ryansimpkins.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 12h 3m 25s ago, saying: 'yum experts: How do I find all the packages installed from a specific repository?'. |
| 15:19.56 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 15:19.56 | ibot | throws elg's poor little doggy off a cliff |
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| 15:27.13 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 - https://register.utosc.org |
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| 15:43.40 | redbeard2 | tool of the day: nmap -oS |
| 15:43.56 | herlo | redbeard2: add that to the GL room |
| 15:44.12 | redbeard2 | herlo: done |
| 15:44.16 | herlo | :) |
| 15:46.52 | redbeard2 | it's amazing what one can learn when one reads the man pages |
| 15:47.41 | levi_home | Heh, how useless. :) |
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| 15:52.08 | herlo | levi_home: nice comment |
| 15:52.17 | herlo | redbeard2: you should ~lart levi_home for that |
| 15:52.50 | redbeard2 | nah |
| 15:53.06 | herlo | :C |
| 15:53.31 | levi_home | I'm trying to read the GNU autotools documentation while watching a training session on some software. |
| 15:53.38 | levi_home | This isn't working so well. |
| 15:54.17 | levi_home | Especially since I'm anxious and distracted to begin with due to worry about real estate stuff. |
| 15:59.13 | klys | autoconf? everyone I know agrees that makefiles are better for readability |
| 15:59.54 | klys | of course, this could help you to read makefile.am files |
| 16:00.57 | klys | as I recall, the steps are automake; autoconf; ./configure --prefix=/usr; make |
| 16:01.33 | sjansen | Well bother. I bought some blank CDs in Ireland and they worked fine there. Return to the US and they don't work anymore. |
| 16:02.00 | klys | suppose it's your drive/laser ? |
| 16:02.47 | levi_home | klys: Um, autoconf/automake and Makefiles are not mutually exclusive. The former depends on the latter. |
| 16:03.44 | klys | right, if you wanted an automatically-generated makefile running the show; there are many options best understood by reading the makefile when building the program. those automatically generated makefiles can be hard to understand |
| 16:04.10 | klys | because they use a lot of macros and nothing important is defined in the main makefile |
| 16:05.56 | levi_home | klys: Indeed, but you assume I am learning this for the purpose of using it in a project I control. |
| 16:06.02 | levi_home | That is not the case. |
| 16:06.07 | klys | k |
| 16:06.36 | levi_home | I'm modifying an established program to add features that depend on a library that may not always be present. |
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| 16:07.01 | klys | asterisk? |
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| 16:07.17 | levi_home | No, I only use asterisk at home and this is a work project. |
| 16:07.26 | levi_home | It's called conman. |
| 16:07.58 | sjansen | klys: One missing piece of information is that I'm a trainer. Travel alot. I'm revering to several classrooms, cities, manufacturers dozens of machines. |
| 16:08.21 | levi_home | It deals with serial consoles in clusters. |
| 16:08.46 | klys | so is there a good program you know of to monitor a tty? I mean on a low level, not like screen |
| 16:09.17 | sjansen | Maybe Ireland has some special CD zappers in their airport security. Learn from Britain, they never want someone to escape Ireland with plans for building a loom. |
| 16:09.21 | levi_home | conman is a remote serial console monitor; it doesn't deal with local stuff. |
| 16:10.01 | levi_home | It works mainly with serial concentrator hardware, like our Icebox and Cyclades stuff. |
| 16:10.27 | klys | do you have an ISP using a lot of modems with this? |
| 16:11.01 | levi_home | But I'm adding support for FreeIPMI's libipmiconsole library. It currently requires running a separate command line program for each console to monitor, which doesn't scale terribly well. |
| 16:11.48 | levi_home | No, this doesn't have anything to do with modems, typically. |
| 16:12.36 | levi_home | libipmiconsole sets up a thread pool for monitoring consoles via IPMI, so no external programs are required. |
| 16:13.36 | klys | is this for clustering? |
| 16:13.49 | levi_home | Yeah, I thought I mentioned that earlier. |
| 16:13.52 | klys | k |
| 16:15.01 | klys | so, clustering to share cpu power is clustering; a cluster of serial consoles could be used for...managing a lot of data acquisition |
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| 16:15.56 | klys | maybe like setting up a lot of terminals as cash registers and monitoring one at a time from a centralized terminal |
| 16:16.13 | levi_home | Each of the nodes that share cpu power has a serial console that shows bootup messages, syslog entries, BIOS information, etc. You watch them via conman for debugging and maintenance purposes. |
| 16:16.28 | klys | k |
| 16:16.32 | Supaplex | m00 |
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| 16:21.08 | levi_home | Anyway, I think knowing how to deal with the GNU autotools is a pretty useful skill for a C programmer, even if it's not always the best choice. |
| 16:21.50 | levi_home | And it has some definite advantages over manually maintaining a Makefile. |
| 16:22.01 | levi_home | Especially if you want to write a portable package for mass-consumption. |
| 16:48.48 | Supaplex | ~lart aros.net |
| 16:48.48 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples aros.net's foot to the floor |
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| 16:52.56 | rsimpkins | I want to make a super large underwater bubble - and mantain that bubble for more than just an instant. Perhaps 3 seconds. |
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| 16:53.16 | rsimpkins | The bubble needs to probably be 300 feet in diameter. |
| 16:53.47 | jsmith | rsimpkins: What about using a giant baloon? |
| 16:54.28 | rsimpkins | If the balloon popped, bye bye bubble. |
| 16:54.48 | rsimpkins | I need a 'real' bubble here. |
| 16:55.22 | rsimpkins | It might be hard to inflate a 300 foot balloon underwater. |
| 16:55.36 | mrpull | rsimpkins: why in the world? |
| 16:55.49 | rsimpkins | mrpull: Taking out submarines - you know - the standard stuff. |
| 16:56.09 | Supaplex | a football field sized baloon under water? |
| 16:56.57 | rsimpkins | hehe. :) |
| 16:57.22 | rsimpkins | K, back to your regularly scheduled #utah... |
| 16:59.35 | jsmith | rsimpkins: You don't need a 300 foot bubble... you just need a bunch of small carbon-dioxide bubbles |
| 16:59.51 | jsmith | rsimpkins: (or various other gasses) |
| 17:01.10 | rsimpkins | jsmith: It's got to be a large enough diamter that whatever goes through it falls at a fast enough rate far enough to damage/destroy it though. |
| 17:01.35 | levi | Why do you want to take out a submarine, anyway? |
| 17:02.03 | rsimpkins | levi: He who can destroy a thing, controlls a thing. Don't you want your own submarine? |
| 17:02.42 | levi | Being able to conceive of a way to destroy one would not give me one. |
| 17:02.50 | rsimpkins | I'm going to hold the world ransome... for ONE MILLION DOLLARS! |
| 17:02.55 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Trust me... this will work... there have been documented cases in the giant underground ridge in the mid-atlantic |
| 17:03.19 | findlay | why do they have this conference on statistical mechanics in Park City? |
| 17:03.23 | jsmith | rsimpkins: And there's speculation that's what's happening in many of the Bermuda triangle cases |
| 17:03.34 | findlay | Park City is already a wierd place |
| 17:03.37 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Right on. |
| 17:03.52 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Simple physics really. |
| 17:04.52 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I've heard of a torpedo that is design to expload under the hulls of ships, creating a super large cavity the ship falls in to - thus sinking it. |
| 17:05.20 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 17:06.05 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I guess a traditional torpedo might only damage a ship, where as this thing pretty much is a sure fire way to sink one. |
| 17:06.49 | rsimpkins | And it doesn't get fooled by Nixie decoys. |
| 17:06.50 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Assuming, of course, that it gets close enough, and that the cavitation works well, etc. |
| 17:07.00 | jsmith | Nothing is foolproof |
| 17:07.06 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Right. |
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| 17:26.43 | tensai | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270146164488 |
| 17:29.33 | elg | tensai: can I play with it if you buy it? |
| 17:31.43 | jsmith | Any guess what the reserve is? |
| 17:32.22 | ^Migs^ | THAT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!!! |
| 17:33.00 | jsmith | There are plenty of them in museums... |
| 17:33.41 | Supaplex | pffft patents are publicly accessible. make your own. ;) |
| 17:46.30 | tensai | who says a museum won't buy it? |
| 17:47.02 | tensai | I probably would lend it to a museum, with the stipulation that they let me play with it whenever I want |
| 17:47.08 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 17:47.24 | rsimpkins | Very valuable items are leased to museums. |
| 17:47.38 | tensai | leased, I like the sound of that |
| 17:47.52 | tensai | now, if I only had $20k |
| 17:47.55 | rsimpkins | A museum will pay $x each week/month the item is there. |
| 17:48.51 | herlo | tensai: by the time the auction is done, you may need more than $20 k |
| 17:49.34 | rsimpkins | I bet it goes for $35-$50k. |
| 18:05.27 | mrpull | i saw an enigma machine in chicago |
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| 18:14.00 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I bet it goes for more than $50k |
| 18:17.47 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:18.57 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:18.57 | ibot | gives elg a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 18:21.29 | mheath | Don't stay up all night next time :P |
| 18:21.36 | nick125 | I didn't. |
| 18:23.29 | mheath | Lier. |
| 18:23.49 | nick125 | I went to bed at midnight |
| 18:25.51 | emcnabb | mheath: he was a "Lier". He was lieing down in bed |
| 18:27.43 | mheath | SEE |
| 18:27.46 | mheath | I knew it, I was right |
| 18:27.51 | mheath | even emcnabb agrees with me, nick125 |
| 18:27.54 | nick125 | Hahaha |
| 18:29.40 | emcnabb | mheath and I agree on something, woohoo! :-) |
| 18:29.54 | mheath | I know, its amazing, isn't it? |
| 18:30.01 | emcnabb | there are miracles |
| 18:30.50 | nick125 | Anyone looking for a job? Sunrocket is supposely still looking for call center managers (if anyone doesn't see the problem with that, please read dslreports) |
| 18:30.53 | nick125 | :D |
| 18:34.31 | nick125 | ... dispite the fact they no longer have a call center |
| 18:34.33 | nick125 | *despite |
| 18:35.20 | jsmith | I'm sure they're still getting plenty of calls, though |
| 18:36.00 | nick125 | Probably |
| 18:36.27 | nick125 | I wonder, did they get rid of those 25 employees they were going to keep? |
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| 19:11.44 | elg | man, I think the developer drain for the iPhone is showing through |
| 19:11.59 | elg | this is the second major problem on the second system I've had with software updates in the space of a week |
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| 19:19.06 | tensai | d'oh. Qwest OC-48 is cut between Casper and Sheridan WY |
| 19:19.34 | elg | fun |
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| 19:20.12 | tensai | and it's impacting 911. that should be fun for Qwest. |
| 19:20.14 | jsmith | tensai: Awesome |
| 19:20.24 | unum | our carrier had a "fiber burn" a couple of months ago |
| 19:20.28 | unum | we sent everyone hom |
| 19:20.29 | unum | e |
| 19:32.56 | Supaplex | in your stomach? ;) |
| 19:35.29 | rsimpkins | I love it when random people start IRCing with me. |
| 19:35.41 | elg | -chat rsimpkins is |
| 19:35.42 | brac | rsimpkins is a name to a party of the day to power the cereal you eat it on openclue and people still have reservations about going 0311? |
| 19:37.35 | rsimpkins | I need a new gaming box. |
| 19:37.49 | rsimpkins | I wonder what I can get for $4k. |
| 19:38.33 | Supaplex | rsimpkins: my old amd laptop ;) |
| 19:39.01 | nick125 | rsimpkins: Maybe a core 2 duo with a decent (geforce 8XXX) graphics card and maybe 2GB of ram |
| 19:39.17 | rsimpkins | nick125: Hopefully I can get more than that for $4,000!!! |
| 19:39.40 | nick125 | rsimpkins: Well, you'd have a lot left over for upgrades |
| 19:40.05 | rsimpkins | I bought a Dell XPS last time, which is okay since it has accidental coverage on it. |
| 19:40.16 | rsimpkins | I think this time I'm going to do it myself. |
| 19:40.25 | nick125 | rsimpkins: Do you need a huge killer machine? |
| 19:40.36 | rsimpkins | nick125: Oh yeah. |
| 19:40.37 | nick125 | Maybe you could take the rest of the money and get a decent monitor setup to go with it |
| 19:40.47 | rsimpkins | I got a nice set of monitors. |
| 19:41.10 | rsimpkins | I need somthing that's going to play orange box - with maxed graphics. |
| 19:43.46 | nick125 | I think I was playing around on newegg, and, I priced a few systems. For around $4,300, I think it was quad core, 8GB of RAM, 3x 10,000RPM WD Raptors, Geforce 8800Ultra graphics card |
| 19:43.56 | nick125 | (I think it was a Core 2 QX6600 CPU) |
| 19:44.24 | nick125 | I'm pretty sure you wouldn't need 8GB of RAM though. |
| 19:44.55 | nick125 | I don't think many of the games on the market will take advantage of quad core |
| 19:44.57 | tensai | rsimpkins: how about a down payment on a nice enigma? |
| 19:45.21 | rsimpkins | tensai: I wonder if it'll play HL2. For $20k it better! :) |
| 19:46.03 | nick125 | Haha |
| 19:46.03 | rsimpkins | I always regret not getting more RAM. :) |
| 19:46.28 | nick125 | Well, you could take the money saved and keep it, then, if you need upgrades later, you can get them. |
| 19:46.29 | elg | i always regret not inheriting a fortune |
| 19:46.35 | tensai | rsimpkins: maybe it contains the tortured souls of nazis who will haunt you day and night |
| 19:46.46 | nick125 | elg: Me too. |
| 19:46.52 | elg | your own private wolfenstein 3d! |
| 19:46.55 | rsimpkins | tensai: Oooo. That'd be just as entertaining. :) |
| 19:47.10 | rsimpkins | tensai: Can I swing a crowbar at them? |
| 19:47.15 | tensai | rsimpkins: do you have a chain gun and a BFG? |
| 19:47.26 | kreg | once you are in "enable", is there such a thing as privliges levels? |
| 19:47.32 | kreg | arg, wrong channel |
| 19:47.38 | tensai | kreg: if you're using tacacs, yes |
| 19:47.56 | elg | kreg: sounds like a cisco. not entirely the wrong channel |
| 19:48.07 | elg | a few of us know almost something about them |
| 19:48.16 | tensai | I think so at least. I'd be interested to know for sure. |
| 19:50.24 | nick125 | rsimpkins: I'm pretty sure you don't need a blu-ray drive and 3 DVD burners either :p |
| 19:51.18 | elg | of course he does |
| 19:51.24 | Supaplex | nick125: oh comeon, dvdrw raid5 is hip |
| 19:51.33 | elg | if he's to throw windows vista installation dVDs at the nazis |
| 19:51.49 | nick125 | I found a config I was playing with earlier..with only 2 DVD burners and no blu-ray drive, its $3,520 at newegg |
| 19:53.22 | nick125 | Core 2 Quad Q6600, DFI NF680I Motherboard, 4x2GB GeIL DDR2-800/PC2-6400, Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W PSU, BFG Geforce 8800Ultra 768MB PCI-E x16 Video card |
| 19:53.55 | Supaplex | what, no 5.25" floppy? how lame. |
| 19:54.09 | nick125 | 4 x Western Digital 10,000RPM 150GB Raptors, Lian Li Black Full ATX Case, and 2 x DVD+-RW Burners w/ Lightscribe (SATA) |
| 19:56.11 | nick125 | And you would still have a bit left for a decent LCD, keyboard, and mouse |
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| 20:10.21 | sjansen | http://code.google.com/p/sepgsql/ <-- Very cool. |
| 20:10.24 | brac | [sepgsql - Google Code] |
| 20:17.20 | jsmith | Wow... that sounds awesome! |
| 20:17.36 | jsmith | Now if they only had sealert for sepgsql |
| 20:18.40 | sjansen | ~lart bugzilla |
| 20:18.40 | ibot | hereby declares bugzilla a troll |
| 20:21.32 | beandog | nice. |
| 20:30.22 | Jayce^ | sjansen, that's a spiffy link... |
| 20:31.33 | rsimpkins | Sure beats the bbs days - those were fun days, but this is so much better. |
| 20:32.09 | beandog | whatever. |
| 20:32.19 | beandog | I miss downloading a 2.5k/minute |
| 20:32.37 | Tene | I have some iptables rules that can help you with that, beandog. ;) |
| 20:32.43 | beandog | heh |
| 20:32.52 | beandog | were gonna download like its 1985 |
| 20:33.26 | nick125 | Then you can put a video up on youtube |
| 20:33.58 | rsimpkins | kermet, zmodem, yeah - those rocked. |
| 20:34.03 | rsimpkins | I really liked zmodem. |
| 20:34.07 | beandog | FidoNET |
| 20:34.17 | beandog | LoRD |
| 20:34.25 | Jayce^ | bbs's on an old laptop, in a dorm..... :-p |
| 20:34.27 | beandog | and it was so easy to pirate software |
| 20:34.30 | beandog | or, so I hear. |
| 20:34.32 | rsimpkins | ascii art. I really miss the ascii art! |
| 20:34.39 | raventh1 | xmodem was more reliable :) |
| 20:34.41 | Jayce^ | stacks of floppies |
| 20:34.47 | beandog | mplayer star_wars.avi -vo caca |
| 20:34.52 | beandog | asciification^^ |
| 20:34.53 | Jayce^ | and the last one was always bad |
| 20:35.02 | raventh1 | but zmodem would go faster because it didn't wait for ack :) |
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| 20:35.27 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Yeah, why was that? The last disk in like a 17 disk set - and it's bad. |
| 20:35.50 | beandog | that was a funstall. |
| 20:36.05 | Jayce^ | beandog, yeah, you didn't buy the new 'cd' because you didn't have one, so the rest of us had to use your floppies |
| 20:36.20 | Jayce^ | good old Warp |
| 20:36.43 | rsimpkins | So, while all that stuff was fun. I now am working on a high-speed network, on a server in san-diego I've never touched, and can access just about anywhere. |
| 20:37.14 | beandog | so I have to go to san francisco to access anywhere? |
| 20:37.30 | jsmith | rsimpkins: San Diego? |
| 20:37.39 | rsimpkins | jsmith: My server is in San Diego. |
| 20:37.39 | beandog | er |
| 20:37.40 | beandog | whateer. |
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| 20:41.17 | sjansen | Surfin' the Web in Pine. Those were the days. |
| 20:45.13 | tensai | I actually convinced some of my computerphobic friends to use lynx on a VAX, and surprisingly it worked out |
| 20:46.05 | jsmith | Awesome... |
| 20:48.08 | sinuhe | In Pine? |
| 20:48.36 | sinuhe | Or is that inserting lynx into pine before responding to an email? |
| 20:49.29 | mheath | Just got a new book |
| 20:49.33 | mrpull | sinuhe: i remember reading about an email address that you could send an url to |
| 20:49.45 | mrpull | and it would grab the webpage and send it to you |
| 20:49.53 | mheath | I love O'Reilly STuff. I've gotten to the point where I'm very skeptical / untrusting about new books, unless they're O'reilly.. |
| 20:50.00 | mrpull | -- in case you didn't have access to the new www |
| 20:52.02 | mheath | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/19/1952211&threshold=-1 |
| 20:52.10 | mheath | What is the point of that, really? |
| 20:52.18 | mheath | Doesn't effect the playability of the game |
| 20:52.38 | mheath | It takes insane number crunching abilities for it to be able to create a 'unbeatable' checkers game |
| 20:52.45 | jsmith | mheath: Yeah, I like O'Reilly books too... but I'm biased |
| 20:52.49 | sjansen | sinuhe: In pine. |
| 20:52.55 | mheath | jsmith: how so? |
| 20:53.09 | mheath | This is a PHP in a nutshell book.. |
| 20:53.19 | jsmith | mheath: My book was published by O'Reilly, and I'm currently working on the second edition |
| 20:53.25 | mheath | Heh, I also figured out that Barnes and Noble's protection for harry potter reservations isn't good |
| 20:53.28 | sjansen | Send an email containing a URL to a special address. Wait for an email containing the page to come backe a couple hours later. My BBS didn't give us full Internet access at first. |
| 20:53.39 | mheath | I could get a cop yo fthe Deluxe Edition, which is long since sold out, if I wanted to |
| 20:54.13 | mheath | jsmith: cool |
| 20:54.16 | mheath | I dunno |
| 20:54.34 | mheath | Whenever I'm looking for a book on a subject, I always jump to the O'Reilly books |
| 20:54.48 | mheath | I can trust them to be well written, and on a technical level that is acurately reflected by their title |
| 20:56.02 | beandog | plus they got the cool covers |
| 20:56.04 | beandog | piccies! |
| 20:56.49 | mheath | Isn't it stupid that Barnes and Noble marks what kind of book you have reserved by writing certain things on the wristband? |
| 20:57.05 | mheath | The Deluxe edition just has a couple more characters added on to the same thing the regular edition has |
| 20:57.17 | nick125 | mheath: Probably isn't the best idea, but, what else could they use? |
| 20:57.37 | mheath | nick125: Well, their wristbands would take some effort to fake |
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| 20:57.45 | mheath | So why not make it so you can't just add characters to upgrade? |
| 20:57.57 | mheath | IE, write "REGULAR" and "DELUXE" or something |
| 20:58.06 | nick125 | That would take too much time |
| 20:58.13 | nick125 | They could have two different kinds of wristbands |
| 20:58.23 | mheath | nick125: Thats what I'm talking about |
| 20:58.28 | mheath | they could print it on the wristband |
| 20:58.32 | mheath | The thing already has stuff printed on it |
| 20:58.46 | nick125 | But, I mean, we're talking about Harry Potter here. I don't really think the target audience would do that. |
| 20:59.21 | mheath | nick125: Target audience doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 20:59.37 | mheath | The target audience wouldn't post spoilers and bootleg'd copies of the book up on bittorrent before its released, either |
| 21:00.16 | mheath | I was shocked though |
| 21:00.24 | mheath | I know their are a fair amount of "Heaths" in the world |
| 21:00.29 | sontek | anyone going to Oscon that wants to carpool? =) |
| 21:00.30 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I plan on going to the bookstores and shouting the spoilers in person |
| 21:00.32 | mheath | but I've only met one in person outside of my family |
| 21:01.03 | mheath | They had like 20 people with that last name on their list :P |
| 21:01.32 | mheath | ^Migs^: You'll likely find yourself pinned down with broomsticks, being sodomized by toy wands. |
| 21:01.56 | nick125 | ^Migs^: That's mean, but, it would be funny. |
| 21:02.05 | mheath | nick125: no, it wouldn't. |
| 21:02.22 | ^Migs^ | I'd be laughing |
| 21:02.30 | ^Migs^ | even whilst being broom-raped |
| 21:02.37 | mheath | nick125: thats just ruining a ton of the excitement for a book thats been 10 years in the making for me |
| 21:02.40 | chadbryant | I'm wearing my "HARRY IS THE LAST HORCRUX" t-shirt all day tomorrow |
| 21:02.46 | mheath | End to a series I've read since i was in elementary school. |
| 21:02.58 | ^Migs^ | geez |
| 21:03.04 | ^Migs^ | I forget how young you kids are sometimes |
| 21:03.12 | mheath | Not a kid anymore] |
| 21:03.22 | mheath | Which emphasizes the point of how long I've looked forward to this :P |
| 21:03.27 | ^Migs^ | you whippersnappers |
| 21:03.34 | mheath | I know ^Migs^ is joking about this |
| 21:03.46 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I'm all talk |
| 21:03.47 | mheath | But I know that when the last book came out, there were a few incidents of poeple actually doing that |
| 21:03.49 | ^Migs^ | it'd be fun, but it's not me |
| 21:04.16 | chadbryant | seeing movie 5 before book 7 pretty much lets you knwo what isn't going to be a factor |
| 21:04.21 | mheath | Driving by lines outside bookstores, yelling "Snape kills Dumbledore!" |
| 21:04.28 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 21:04.40 | ^Migs^ | which incidentally, doesn't actually happen |
| 21:04.44 | chadbryant | since JKR had to write the last few books to fit the previous movies |
| 21:05.04 | nick125 | ^Migs^: It would be even better to yell out fake spoilers |
| 21:05.21 | beandog | okay |
| 21:05.21 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 21:05.22 | mheath | ^Migs^: If you're going to make up lies about the story, try starting with ones that don't directly contradict the little bits of imformation JKR DID let us know about the book :P |
| 21:05.24 | beandog | I dont get something. |
| 21:05.34 | beandog | Why dont these radio streamers just host their content outside the US? |
| 21:05.39 | beandog | content / servers / whatever |
| 21:05.44 | ^Migs^ | I don't even pay attention to this stuff, so I don't know how good any fake spoilers would actually be |
| 21:05.46 | beandog | wouldnt that skirt the whole licensing issue? |
| 21:05.51 | ^Migs^ | I haven't read ANY of the books, except the last chapter of book 7 |
| 21:06.00 | beandog | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070719-dima-soundexchange-is-leveraging-absurd-fees-to-push-drm.html |
| 21:06.02 | mheath | ^Migs^: JKR has said several times that DUmbledore IS dead and is not coming back to life. |
| 21:06.06 | nick125 | beandog: They would still have to pay licensing fees to someone. |
| 21:06.27 | beandog | nick125: right, but anything is going to be less anal than the US's laws, id assume |
| 21:06.32 | mheath | no |
| 21:06.35 | mheath | Look at the pirate bay |
| 21:06.39 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 21:06.42 | ^Migs^ | dumbledore isn't dead |
| 21:06.42 | beandog | ? |
| 21:06.46 | beandog | how is that a good example. |
| 21:06.47 | mheath | They claim their legal not because their country allows copyright violation |
| 21:06.49 | tensai | beandog: I really doubt there's a sound way to get around it |
| 21:06.52 | mheath | But because they're not hosting the content |
| 21:06.54 | beandog | theyre not hosting anything. |
| 21:06.56 | mheath | Just linking to it |
| 21:06.56 | ^Migs^ | if he is, how is he alive at the end of book 7? |
| 21:07.01 | beandog | thats not what Im talking about |
| 21:07.08 | beandog | Just host the content and the servers outside of the US |
| 21:07.13 | beandog | if someone listens to it the US, well, tough noogies. |
| 21:07.27 | mheath | beandog" You'd be hardpressed to find any country that allows blatant copyright violation. |
| 21:07.36 | beandog | Russia? |
| 21:07.42 | tensai | mheath: are you kidding? |
| 21:07.43 | beandog | That one island place where Kazaa is from? |
| 21:07.43 | nick125 | Sealand did. |
| 21:07.58 | beandog | how is that blatant copyright violation? |
| 21:08.04 | beandog | so I can listen to music streams from the UK? |
| 21:08.08 | beandog | er, can't? |
| 21:08.08 | mheath | nick125: until it caught on fire and ran screaming to Momma UK for help. |
| 21:08.16 | nick125 | mheath: Yeah. |
| 21:08.21 | mheath | We're going to ignore your laws, but....please, please help us! |
| 21:08.25 | ^Migs^ | Kazaa is just a program that helps people share files in one particular way. Sharing files is the crux of the intarwebz |
| 21:09.54 | beandog | meh |
| 21:09.56 | tensai | beandog: if the radio station has a physical presence in the US, then I'd be surprised if the US didn't at least attempt to force its copyright laws on it |
| 21:09.56 | beandog | I still dont get it. |
| 21:09.57 | beandog | oh well. |
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| 21:10.37 | mheath | This PHP in a nutshell book is really nice though |
| 21:11.33 | sjansen | ~greet karla |
| 21:11.34 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on karla |
| 21:14.17 | mheath | Italian, huh? |
| 21:15.41 | karla | Hi folks. |
| 21:16.12 | mheath | So what brings you from Italy to a channel for a state in America? |
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| 21:17.21 | mheath | TimRiker: ping |
| 21:17.24 | karla | I'm sorry. I understan just a little of English language. |
| 21:17.35 | elg | -chat harry potter |
| 21:17.35 | brac | harry potter book |
| 21:17.40 | elg | -chat harry potter |
| 21:17.40 | brac | harry potter is good |
| 21:17.52 | rsimpkins | karla: Hello. |
| 21:18.53 | karla | hello rsimpkins |
| 21:19.07 | rsimpkins | karla: Where do you live? |
| 21:19.26 | sjansen | -chat elg's moose |
| 21:19.27 | brac | elg's moose |
| 21:19.27 | karla | Italy. Milano. |
| 21:19.53 | rsimpkins | karla: That is wonderful. Are you familiar with Utah? |
| 21:19.59 | mheath | Perchè siete qui? |
| 21:20.55 | karla | We are here because this channel seems interesting the OpenSource. |
| 21:21.04 | elg | we are borg? |
| 21:22.09 | karla | I'm sorry I don't understand "borg". |
| 21:22.19 | rsimpkins | karla: It was a joke. |
| 21:22.29 | karla | OK |
| 21:22.36 | rsimpkins | karla: "Borg" is a fictional species in the TV show "Star Trek" |
| 21:22.37 | mheath | Cio e locale negli U.S.A. |
| 21:23.14 | decriptor1 | perche siete parlando in italiano |
| 21:23.24 | karla | Thanks for tanslation. |
| 21:23.33 | karla | That's fine. |
| 21:23.55 | sjansen | Bah, todos sabem que portugues e' bem melhor que os otros idiomas. |
| 21:24.09 | Jayce^ | sjansen, e' vedade |
| 21:24.20 | karla | Quite right! |
| 21:24.33 | decriptor1 | karla: what area of Milano |
| 21:36.20 | karla | Bye |
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| 21:36.48 | mheath | What a revealing and interesting conversation |
| 21:37.20 | mheath | sjansen: what did you say? :P |
| 21:39.30 | sjansen | Everyone knows Portuguese is best. |
| 21:40.15 | Jayce^ | sjansen, if you're going to insult him in another language, at least translate it correctly.. |
| 21:40.24 | sjansen | Fine. |
| 21:40.29 | mheath | Bah. |
| 21:40.38 | mheath | Insult Me? Or karla? |
| 21:40.39 | mheath | :( |
| 21:40.44 | sjansen | Bah, everyone knows Portuguese is much better than other languages. |
| 21:41.23 | sjansen | Happy? |
| 21:41.28 | Jayce^ | sjansen, em verdade, em verdade.. |
| 21:41.28 | sjansen | ~wedgie Jayce^ |
| 21:41.29 | ibot | ACTION hangs Jayce^ from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 21:41.48 | emcnabb | sjansen: haha, did you really just say that about him?!?! |
| 21:42.07 | mheath | and he(/she? Isn't karla a female name?) agreed |
| 21:45.10 | emcnabb | sjansen: next time say it to his face |
| 21:45.59 | sjansen | emcnabb: You paying for the ticket? |
| 21:46.03 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, with all the spiteful things we've seen sjansen do, I'd have to say that ranked among the lowest levels.. |
| 21:46.31 | emcnabb | Jayce^: yeah, sjansen is a slimeball |
| 21:47.46 | emcnabb | well, /me heads home. sjansen, you need to be nicer |
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| 21:58.08 | bonez39 | is it possible, and if so how, to read an email message received originally in mutt...? I need to figure out if various links "click here", etc., were originally stripped from an email before I received it, or whether mutt simply isn't showing those links. |
| 21:59.06 | mheath | ouch |
| 21:59.13 | mheath | $379.80 for textbooks |
| 21:59.16 | mheath | ~lart college |
| 21:59.16 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack college |
| 21:59.45 | bonez39 | mheath: is that just in one quarter? |
| 21:59.56 | mheath | one semester |
| 22:00.04 | mheath | They're all used |
| 22:00.10 | mheath | it would be $496.05 new |
| 22:00.53 | mheath | Might be slightly more too |
| 22:01.00 | mheath | bookstore website doesn't have info about one of my classes |
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| 22:02.32 | mrpull | mheath: find somebody else to pay for them |
| 22:02.48 | mheath | Heh. |
| 22:03.02 | mrpull | mheath: i had 2-3 jobs during school and all of them had a school reimbursement program |
| 22:03.21 | mheath | mrpull: GI Bill money will pay for my first several years of school |
| 22:03.39 | mrpull | how the heck are you entitled to GI Bill money? |
| 22:04.10 | mheath | mrpull: I served honorably in the military. |
| 22:05.00 | chadbryant | you didn't complete your contract |
| 22:05.11 | chadbryant | your benefits (if any) will be significantly less |
| 22:05.16 | mheath | chadbryant: yeah, but I was discharged for medical reasons |
| 22:05.29 | mheath | You receive a monthly set amount, for a number of months equal to the time you did complete |
| 22:05.36 | mheath | Its over $1,000 a month |
| 22:06.17 | mheath | at least thats what its supposed to be |
| 22:06.23 | mheath | I might have trouble when I try applying |
| 22:06.29 | mheath | I've gotten screwed over / lied to about benefits before |
| 22:07.12 | chadbryant | you won't get much, if anything |
| 22:07.20 | chadbryant | so I wouldn';t count on it |
| 22:07.35 | mheath | chadbryant: I've been told I'm eligible for about $7,000 in benefits. |
| 22:07.40 | mheath | Which isn't much |
| 22:07.42 | mheath | But it helps |
| 22:09.21 | chadbryant | The law requires the soldier to complete their initial term of service |
| 22:09.21 | chadbryant | to qualify for benefits. The law does provide for early separations |
| 22:09.21 | chadbryant | including the following: Individuals who serve in the Armed Forces and |
| 22:09.21 | chadbryant | are discharged for the convenience of the government (COG) will receive |
| 22:09.21 | chadbryant | their full benefits if they serve no less than 20 months on a two year |
| 22:09.22 | chadbryant | enlistment and no less than 30 months on a three or four year |
| 22:09.24 | chadbryant | enlistment. The separation reason listed on a soldier's Certificate of |
| 22:09.26 | chadbryant | Release or Discharge from Active Duty, DD Form 214, Member 4 Copy, Block |
| 22:09.28 | chadbryant | 26, determines if an individual meets MGIB eligibility. |
| 22:09.53 | chadbryant | Individuals can earn one month of benefits for each month of active duty |
| 22:09.53 | chadbryant | served not to exceed 36 months if separated for hardship, |
| 22:09.53 | chadbryant | service-connected disability, pre-existing medical condition or |
| 22:09.53 | chadbryant | condition - not a disability - that interferes with duty, or if |
| 22:09.53 | chadbryant | separated under the provisions of PLs 101-510 or 102-484. |
| 22:10.05 | Supaplex | woah there |
| 22:10.09 | chadbryant | sorry |
| 22:10.18 | chadbryant | eArmyU's site is poorly formatted |
| 22:10.25 | mheath | chadbryant: Look at the last bit |
| 22:10.42 | Supaplex | your irc paste fu is lacking. use a pastebin :P |
| 22:11.00 | mheath | "Individuals can earn one month of benefits for each month of active duty served [...] for [...] condition - not a disability - that interferes sith duty |
| 22:11.19 | decriptor1 | no again |
| 22:11.30 | mheath | Which, if you'll remember, is exactly that I said :P |
| 22:11.39 | decriptor1 | wasn't paying attention |
| 22:11.39 | chadbryant | but |
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| 22:11.57 | chadbryant | You must have an "honorable" discharge from active duty to participate in the MGIB program. Discharges designated "under honorable conditions" and "general" do not establish your eligibility for the MGIB program. |
| 22:12.10 | chadbryant | ELS != "honorable" |
| 22:12.12 | mheath | I did receive an honorable discharge. |
| 22:12.17 | mheath | I got ELS'd form the USMC |
| 22:12.19 | mheath | Honorable from the USN |
| 22:13.24 | chadbryant | and how you blew through two branches of service inside of a year is confusing |
| 22:13.48 | chadbryant | when an ELS would earn you no less than a two-year waiting period to join another branch |
| 22:14.12 | mheath | Enlisted in USMC in June, shipped in august, got dischaged in sep...enlisted and shipped with Navy in December |
| 22:15.15 | mheath | chadbryant: Apparently not. |
| 22:15.21 | mheath | Anyway |
| 22:16.01 | mheath | I love how a few comments about text books / paying for college yet again gets turned into an attack of no, your wrong, your a horrible veteran, you don't deserve benefits, etc. etc. |
| 22:16.14 | mheath | Time to go work on my web administration system |
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| 22:20.22 | elg | http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2004/Travolta_House.htm |
| 22:20.23 | brac | [John Travolta's House] |
| 22:23.15 | mheath | elg: thats amazing. |
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| 22:27.05 | elg | I just want everyone to know Jayce^ is my hero^ |
| 22:28.12 | tensai | elg: you need to get out more |
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| 22:28.37 | Jayce^ | tensai, but wait, you too can have a limited edition copy of Java for osx in a tarball :) |
| 22:28.55 | elg | haha |
| 22:29.31 | elg | but I was looking forward to hearing about his sourdough experiment. |
| 22:29.48 | Jayce^ | elg, yes, it would have been a good bad example :) |
| 22:29.59 | Jayce^ | poor dataw0lf, what will you do now? |
| 22:30.33 | Jayce^ | mrpull, I think he honored them.. |
| 22:30.36 | Zelut | mrpull: pardon? |
| 22:30.57 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 22:30.58 | mrpull | Zelut: you must have missed that comment |
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| 22:31.23 | atoponce | heh. forgot about that |
| 22:31.28 | elg | you know ibot, I think I heard that too. :) |
| 22:31.31 | Jayce^ | ibot didn't |
| 22:31.52 | atoponce | i have the files on my wife's ibook, just sitting on her desktop... |
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| 22:34.01 | atoponce | 16:32 -!- 1 - #utah: ban *!*n=mheath@*.ip.xmission.com [by Zelut!n=christer@ubuntu/member/zelut, 280 secs ago] |
| 22:34.08 | atoponce | it's about time. :) |
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| 22:40.20 | chadbryant | I apologize for encouraging mheath in any way |
| 22:40.34 | chadbryant | the Army NCO in me takes offense to his constant whining and sense of entitlement |
| 22:40.49 | Jayce^ | chadbryant, he offended most everyone... |
| 22:41.01 | elg | except brac and ibot |
| 22:41.02 | fozzmoo | What did he do this time? |
| 22:41.11 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, the usual |
| 22:41.21 | chadbryant | claimed he was going to attend school on the GI Bill |
| 22:41.24 | atoponce | chadbryant: i left this channel, just because of him. i couldn't take it anymore |
| 22:41.41 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Spoke his mind? |
| 22:42.00 | atoponce | it'll be nice to see decent covos in here again |
| 22:42.00 | fozzmoo | atoponce: I'm surprised you didn't write a blog entry about it. ;-) |
| 22:42.10 | atoponce | fozzmoo: heh. i should've. :) |
| 22:42.24 | fozzmoo | "Why I can't stand mheath, reason #513" by atoponce |
| 22:42.32 | chadbryant | enlisting in the Navy four months after being discharged from the Marine Corps only happens in fairy tales |
| 22:42.33 | beandog | crazy kids |
| 22:42.35 | atoponce | perfect |
| 22:42.43 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, #513, that would have been pretty early on.. |
| 22:42.53 | elg | chadbryant: well, he was gone for a little while |
| 22:44.02 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Did you read the traffic from last night bet. herlo and mheath? |
| 22:44.17 | elg | i didn't |
| 22:44.37 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, no.. |
| 22:44.41 | elg | do summarize |
| 22:44.42 | herlo | Jayce^: I tried to convince him that we didn't need his whining |
| 22:44.47 | fozzmoo | He was just saying he went to some orientation at WSU and felt completely out of place. |
| 22:44.59 | herlo | but in a nice way |
| 22:45.05 | fozzmoo | You know... because he's been through so much crap in his life. |
| 22:45.28 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, the emo in him just wanted to share |
| 22:45.38 | atoponce | man, it's like a whole new channel in here now |
| 22:45.43 | atoponce | ~w00t! |
| 22:45.43 | ibot | There it is! |
| 22:45.51 | fozzmoo | and nobody else his age, let alone anyone, period, has been through as much crap in their life as he has. |
| 22:46.22 | fozzmoo | But yeah, herlo tried to put him in his place. |
| 22:46.36 | fozzmoo | I think it went in one eyeball and out the other. Like most stuff. |
| 22:47.13 | chadbryant | I can only speak from the perspective of someone who spent 8 hours a day copying dicharge paperwork and seeing the same rhetoric on every form |
| 22:47.27 | chadbryant | but a lot of his military posturing comes of as complete BS |
| 22:47.29 | herlo | I don't know, I tried to be friendly about it... |
| 22:48.35 | fozzmoo | later y'all. |
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