IRC log for #utah on 20070715

00:14.28mheathHmm. I wonder how much Autodesk Inventor costs.
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00:28.06brac~onjoin harleypig Excuse me if they've waive it?
00:28.07ibotbrac: ok
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01:25.11ibotok, brac
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01:42.52mheath2goozbach, your server is doing bad things to me.
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02:34.03Re|ent|ess<.<
02:34.05Re|ent|ess>.>
02:36.36Sargunhey.
02:36.41Sargunbcvloh?
02:36.46Sargunwhere is that
02:37.31Re|ent|essOhio
02:37.36Re|ent|essKIRTLAND
02:37.40Re|ent|ess<.<
02:37.44Re|ent|essTEH MORMON!
02:37.48Re|ent|ess;3
02:38.04mheath....
02:38.17mheathhe's back :(
02:38.18mheathHmm
02:38.32mheathanyone have recommendations on a CMS it is easy to write themes for?
02:39.15Sargunwho
02:39.18Sargundrupal
03:02.25mheathI wish there was a decent way to create good organizational charts -.-
03:16.26SargunWhat sort of charts?
03:16.36mheathOrganizational.
03:16.44mheathI said that already, I think...
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03:55.56Sargungraphviz..
03:57.17Sargunwarbears
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04:03.45Sargunfozzmoo, hey
04:04.05fozzmooSargun: hi
04:04.07mheathSargun: graphviz is too simple. too hard to create complicated graps with
04:04.19Sargunexample
04:04.28mheathi'm looking for a tool to easily create good looking but complex organizational graphs.
04:05.26fozzmoofrom programs?
04:05.39mheathNo, just my own input.
04:05.50levi_homeI've seen some pretty complex graphviz graphs, but I'm sure the creation of them was not what you would call easy.  Have you looked at Dia?
04:05.53fozzmooOr would something like OpenOffice be sufficient?
04:06.16mheathlevi_home: yeah, no question that graphviz is _powerful_ is just complicated to do anything complex with..
04:06.46mheathfozzmoo: OpenOffice doesn't do it, really
04:06.50mheathMS Office has good tools for it
04:07.17mheathThey call it "SmartArt"
04:07.23mheathBut I don't like their formatting options
04:07.41mheathand you can't do complex relationships,
04:07.51mheathonly straightforward parent-and-node stuff
04:08.28mheathlevi_home: I could do it with that, but I want something a little more....automatic in the way it formats things
04:08.33mheathI don't want to just be drawing with useful shapes
04:17.43levi_homeWell, if you had a Mac, I'd suggest OmniGraffle.
04:29.52mheathI'm getting fat and lazy and I don't like it
04:31.46Re|ent|essDUDe
04:31.53Re|ent|essMy girlfriend woke me up
04:31.55Re|ent|ess;-;
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04:48.43mheathgood run
04:48.48mheathreally need to strengthen that knee though
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05:11.10SargunRe|ent|ess, hey
05:11.12Sargunhey all
05:11.37SargunI hate my mouse
05:11.41Sarguncan someone shoot it?
05:11.46Sargunlakshim
05:11.54mheathnot as bad as my laptop touchpad in Linu
05:14.21Re|ent|ess?
05:16.42mheaths/Linu/Linux/g
05:17.05mheath~lart Re|ent|ess
05:17.05ibotputs Re|ent|ess into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Re|ent|ess's hair of
05:24.16herlo~simpsons mheath
05:24.17ibotACTION mheath chases a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!"
05:26.16Sargunwhy Linux?
05:31.01mheathBecause it doesn't work in Linux?
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06:16.53mheathThis isn't open source, but has anyone here looked much at SkyOS?
06:17.02Re|ent|essNo
06:17.17mheath....
06:17.19mheath~lart Re|ent|ess
06:17.19ibotlowers Re|ent|ess's priority
06:18.05Re|ent|ess?
06:18.26Re|ent|ess~lart Re|ent|ess
06:18.26ibotpushes the wall down onto Re|ent|ess whilst whistling innocently
06:18.46Re|ent|ess~lart mheath
06:18.46ibotinstalls PocketPC on mheath's PDA
06:18.52Re|ent|esslol
06:18.54Re|ent|esslol
06:18.56Re|ent|ess~lart mheath
06:18.56ibotwallops mheath with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long
06:18.59mheathOK, seriously...
06:19.03mheathSkyOS looks interesting
06:19.12Re|ent|essI look
06:19.16mheathI don't undnerstand its development model, either
06:19.23Re|ent|essI downloading like 50 torrents
06:19.26mheathI don't imagine they make enough money off it to support major development
06:19.36Re|ent|esssend me a link
06:19.51mheathIf they don't, how do they continue developing such a relatively complete product?
06:20.14mheathIts mostly POSIX compliant, has _decent_ hardware support, lots of good features, stable...good graphics, good look/feel
06:20.56Re|ent|essWhy am I on ignore
06:21.02Re|ent|essI wanted to check it out
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06:43.01mheathYah, he took  my advice :)
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06:43.19Re|ent|essUmm..
06:43.20Re|ent|essLike
06:43.30Re|ent|essOne Im 19 Two WTF and three ?
06:55.00sontekRe|ent|ess: don't take mheath personal, hes like this all the time
06:57.59Re|ent|essok
06:58.16Re|ent|esshe must not like teh hawt m0rmonz
06:58.23Re|ent|ess:3
06:59.23fozzmooRe|ent|ess: Come to think of it, your nick is better suited for mheath. Maybe you guys could trade
06:59.41sontekRe|ent|ess: ok, now you are in the same book as him
07:00.06sontekRe|ent|ess: sorry I butted in, continue your your guys girlish bickering
07:01.24Re|ent|ess?
07:01.38Re|ent|essI busy watching a movie.
07:26.29herlo~simpsons Re|ent|ess
07:26.36ibotACTION Re|ent|ess chases a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!"
07:26.58Re|ent|ess...........
07:45.19fozzmooherlo: You check out any of that video I uploaded of Sons Of Nothing?
07:53.23sontek~pee herlo
07:53.24ibotACTION pee's upon herlo like a waterfall.
07:53.34sontek~herlo
07:53.34ibothmm... herlo is the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him
07:54.53herlofozzmoo: I did
07:55.26herlosontek: I am making you a login for www.utos.org and www.utosc.org
07:55.31fozzmooYou reminded me of it because I use a Simpsons clip at the beginning of Pigs
07:55.46herloso you can review my posts and post on your own
07:55.48fozzmooThe "It's still good! It's still good!"
07:55.50herlofozzmoo: I enjoyed it
07:55.53herlofozzmoo: yeah
07:55.58herloits great
07:56.17herlosontek: so check your pm in about 10 minutes
08:00.05sontekherlo: I already had one for the wiki
08:00.12sontekherlo: is this for the blog?
08:01.37herlosontek: yes
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08:35.25Estwaldherlo: you still around ?
08:35.34herloEstwald: Im here
08:36.39Estwaldherlo: First, nice blog and pages.   What does "DTI" of Dti Travel stand for ?
08:37.08herloDTI = Digital Technology International, though I no longer work there.
08:37.33herloDTI travel was a wiki I set up while working there for mine (and others) travel needs
08:37.40herlodoesn't get used much
08:38.29EstwaldAh.  Maybe make it more genreal and change to "IT Traveler" ?
08:39.27EstwaldLooks like it could be a great thing going non-company specific.
08:39.59herlocould be, but I've not touched it in over a year
08:42.33EstwaldBTW: there was a WI-Fi Phishing setup at DC National when I was there in April. IDed as "Free Public AP"  
08:42.53EstwaldBut was and AdHoc network.
08:44.26herloEstwald: what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
08:45.08EstwaldYou seem to travel alot, thought I'd give you a heads up.
08:51.39herlobut it wouldn't affect me, I don't see how they'd get any info from my machine.
08:52.05EstwaldK
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16:29.04mheathMorning
16:30.03mheathPeople take me too seriously =\
16:30.22mheathPeople thought I was being serious and rude when I told Re|ent|less that it was past his/her bedtime
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17:18.04levi_homeGood morning.
17:18.39mheathMorning, levi_home - whats up?
18:52.39herlohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1m_HwYpPZQ
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21:33.10mheathso
21:33.17mheathherlo: cool video, thanks for sharing.
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22:18.37elg-lart emcnabb
23:07.20levi_homeMmm, lemon pepper.
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23:25.33mheathI just had a $17 ribeye steak for dinner
23:25.36mheathit was...amazing
23:36.14TeneWhat doe "ribeye" mean, anyway?
23:37.51mheathTene: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_eye
23:41.49TeneI wish yum had an option for "update everything that you can update.  If there are errors, just leave thsoe packages alone and update the rest."
23:43.21mheathI wish yum didn't resolve stupid dependencies -.-
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23:45.40Tenemheath: example?
23:45.57mheathTene: trying to do an upgrade on my server installs gnome and X11
23:46.03TeneI've done some pretty hackish stuff with yum, but never seen an incorrect dependency...
23:46.32mheathNeither are already installed, and neithers groups are chosen
23:48.23TeneIf you're interested in trying to work that out right now, I'd be willing to give it a shot.
23:49.26mheathI think the issue is, yum thinks gnome_panel is installed
23:49.28mheathNot sure why
23:49.43mheathIt isn't installed; rpm knows it isn't
23:50.49TeneIf you could post the entire output of 'yum update' somewhere, I think I could make a reasonable guess as to why.
23:51.34mheathBut yum thinks it is, and in trying to upgrade it and resolve dependencies, it ends up installing a bunch of gnome and X11 stuff
23:51.34Tene*nod*
23:51.34mheathTene: hold on a bit and I'll do it.
23:51.34Tenekk
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23:54.14Tene... and this might be an incorrect dependency.
23:54.46Tenesetools-gui thinks that it needs libmpcdec, which is ridiculous, and not confirmed by looking at the contents of the package.
23:55.21TeneOh, nevermind, that was just me misreading.

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