| 00:00.50 | levi | findlay: LinuxBIOS is largely driven by people who aren't interested in booting from CDs. |
| 00:00.59 | levi | Time to head home. |
| 00:03.58 | mheath | findlay: Why not update the bootloader? |
| 00:04.25 | mheath | You had another computer with an adapter to plug the hard drive into, right? |
| 00:04.32 | mheath | compile grub |
| 00:04.37 | mheath | grab stage1 and stage2 |
| 00:04.46 | mheath | cat stage1 stage2 > combined |
| 00:04.52 | mheath | dd if=combined of=/dev/whatever |
| 00:05.26 | mheath | Doesn't work with your partitions, really, and will be overwritten as soon as you format your drive, partition it, etc, but will allow you to boot from a CD-ROM... |
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| 00:19.54 | mheath | Hmm, anyone around who's familiar with VNC? |
| 00:20.09 | mheath | findlay: now you've done it, emcnabb's brother has come to beat you up :P |
| 00:29.03 | amcnabb | It turns out it's not to hard to make GNOME look like EvilWM. |
| 00:29.12 | amcnabb | I've had some fun today getting that working. |
| 00:30.07 | amcnabb | This is GNOME/metacity: http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/linux/evilgnome/screenshot1.png |
| 00:31.25 | findlay | yeah, but gnome is still 1000 times bigger than evilwm :) |
| 00:31.39 | amcnabb | Very true. |
| 00:32.07 | findlay | mheath: I don't understand what your instructions are trying to say |
| 00:32.11 | mheath | findlay, amcnabb, either of you use VNC? |
| 00:32.29 | mheath | findlay: installing grub manually at the very beginning of a hard drive disk? |
| 00:32.40 | mheath | grub comes in two stages |
| 00:32.41 | findlay | yes, how does that boot a cd? |
| 00:32.59 | mheath | usually the first stage is put in the boot record, and loads the bigger second stage that resides elsewhere |
| 00:33.06 | findlay | ok |
| 00:33.11 | findlay | then what |
| 00:34.05 | mheath | findlay: erm, wait |
| 00:34.13 | mheath | You have grub on there at the moment, right, just an old version? |
| 00:34.32 | mheath | Nevermind, I'm making this more complicated than it is |
| 00:34.47 | mheath | format/partition/whatever the hard drive |
| 00:34.52 | mheath | install grub using normal grub commands |
| 00:34.57 | mheath | grub install /dev/whatever |
| 00:34.58 | mheath | erm |
| 00:35.27 | mheath | grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 00:35.40 | findlay | forget what's on there already. Just tell me what to do to get it to boot a CD |
| 00:36.00 | mheath | then follow the instructions at http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Chainloading_a_bootable_CD-ROM_from_GRUB |
| 00:36.14 | findlay | I already did that |
| 00:36.18 | findlay | didn't work |
| 00:36.27 | mheath | findlay: what happened? |
| 00:36.42 | findlay | the second bootloader that it chainloaded couldn't find the CD drive |
| 00:37.30 | mheath | findlay: hmm |
| 00:37.33 | findlay | SBM |
| 00:37.34 | mheath | does the laptop have a network interface? |
| 00:37.45 | findlay | I think I'll have to make a custom SBM image |
| 00:37.47 | findlay | nope |
| 00:37.58 | findlay | so don't even think about PXE |
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| 00:38.39 | mheath | No USB? |
| 00:38.43 | findlay | nope |
| 00:39.11 | mheath | and no floppy...bah |
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| 00:39.49 | findlay | levi: yet if LinuxBIOS becomes more popular and useful, then those not-interested-in-booting-the-CD people won't be the dominant, or only interest |
| 00:44.18 | mheath | So....hm. |
| 00:44.36 | mheath | findlay: amcnabb, anyone: any of you use VNC or RDP or anything like that? |
| 00:46.14 | findlay | I've used vnc before |
| 00:48.00 | mheath | I'm trying to figure out how fast VNC is. |
| 00:48.11 | mheath | If I was to run VNC over a 802.11N wireless network.. |
| 00:49.03 | mheath | How much delay would there be between something showing on the screen on the host and showing on the desktop? |
| 00:49.26 | mheath | To give an example....with lots of compression, could you remotely watch a video or something? Or would the lag and overhead be too high? |
| 00:54.20 | pmcnabb | mheath: (just a guess..) i think for video you'd be better off using no compression |
| 00:55.40 | mheath | pmcnabb: the problem is, though, at high resolutions that gets to be way too many pixels |
| 00:56.00 | mheath | Theres not nearly enough bandwidth on a wireless ocnnection for lossless encodings |
| 00:56.06 | pmcnabb | mheath: use a lower resolution :) |
| 00:56.21 | mheath | You'd have to get insanely small... |
| 00:58.33 | pmcnabb | if you want a really high resolution you probably don't want vnc... maybe something more like vlc? |
| 00:58.55 | mheath | uh, thats a media player. |
| 00:59.03 | findlay | heh |
| 00:59.04 | pmcnabb | you're watching videos, right? |
| 00:59.29 | mheath | that was an example of the type of content |
| 00:59.45 | mheath | A better example: Games. |
| 00:59.55 | mheath | Wondering if 3D Games would be playable remotely |
| 01:00.06 | mheath | I'm thinking directly transmitting the DVI would be a better option, though |
| 01:00.56 | mheath | transmit the DVI, and display it using a hardware receiver/decoder.. |
| 01:01.24 | mheath | Your only lag would theoretically be the decoding time and the wireless transmission time |
| 01:01.53 | mheath | The only problem is, those things seem to have a limited range.. |
| 01:02.06 | mheath | 80M seems to be the max.. |
| 01:02.32 | pmcnabb | how far are you planning on playing games remotely? :) |
| 01:02.52 | mheath | pmcnabb: throughout the house would be the goal . |
| 01:03.46 | mheath | 80M line of sight won't reach throughout a lot of houses.. |
| 01:07.13 | pmcnabb | at least vnc is one of those things you can try for free.. |
| 01:07.42 | mheath | pmcnabb: I think it wouldn't work anyway, though |
| 01:07.47 | mheath | lots of the 3d rendering is handled by the video card |
| 01:07.52 | mheath | and it probably couldn't capture that |
| 01:08.07 | mheath | I wonder how games look in NTSC, on a decent TV... |
| 01:08.16 | mheath | 270x486.. |
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| 01:30.24 | klys | mheath: you still looking for utilities? |
| 01:32.47 | mheath | I guess |
| 01:33.05 | mheath | I'm also looking into minimal lag way of transfering video, though, too :P |
| 01:33.25 | klys | ok |
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| 01:34.56 | Lars-UT | /onjoin |
| 01:35.04 | mheath | Lars-UT: want to turn it off? |
| 01:35.16 | Lars-UT | can't remember how - onjoin? |
| 01:35.21 | mheath | type ~onjoin -Lars-UT |
| 01:35.48 | Lars-UT | ~onjoin Lars-UT "You're still here? The movie |
| 01:35.48 | ibot | ok, Lars-UT |
| 01:36.06 | Lars-UT | ~onjoin Lars-UT "You're still here? The movie's over - go home!" |
| 01:36.06 | ibot | ok, Lars-UT |
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| 01:36.32 | Lars-UT | That's better |
| 01:36.54 | mheath | Quick little survey: Do you think gaming is OK on NTSC resolutions? |
| 01:37.02 | klys | explore2fs, udf reader, trillian, some fonts |
| 01:37.03 | Lars-UT | yes |
| 01:37.15 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 01:37.40 | mheath | Even modern computer games, do you think they look OK at such resolutions? |
| 01:38.09 | Lars-UT | mheath: no, not really - 1080p for everything. Time for those HD projector prices to come down. |
| 01:38.32 | mheath | I guess people play console games all the time on NTSC.. |
| 01:38.56 | mheath | Lars-UT: nah, I'm looking into ways of (with minimal lag) transmit high-definition content to receivers... |
| 01:38.57 | klys | mheath: also putty |
| 01:39.35 | mheath | DVI wireless transmission stuff is really pricey, and limited range |
| 01:39.44 | mheath | while there is LOTS of cheap ways to trasmit video at NTSC resolution |
| 01:39.44 | Lars-UT | mheath: I was impressed with the Wii recently, and it was because resolution seemed irrelevant. It was all about the interaction with the controller/gamer |
| 01:40.42 | mheath | I know |
| 01:41.04 | mheath | but I'm talking mainly about the ability to play PC games remotely, via wireless |
| 01:41.09 | klys | I can't think of many more without a specific purpose in mind, unless you want cygwin |
| 01:41.34 | mheath | klys: this is rescue utility software, not a collection of cool softwtware.w. |
| 01:41.41 | klys | registry search & replace, PE explorer |
| 01:41.44 | Lars-UT | mheath: elaborate |
| 01:41.57 | mheath | Lars-UT: on what, the software, or the wireless video? |
| 01:42.03 | Lars-UT | both! |
| 01:42.18 | Lars-UT | ~cokezero herlo |
| 01:42.22 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in herlo and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 01:42.24 | mheath | software..I'm working on a Windows rescue CD.. |
| 01:43.11 | klys | I think you should have minimal cygwin to extraxt .tar.gz and .bz2 files |
| 01:43.17 | mheath | Provides two things: Linux LiveCD with lots of cool things for fixing windows and doing little tasks (Parted, NTFS and FAT filesystem tools, windows registry editor...etc) |
| 01:43.30 | mheath | And then rescue utilities to use in Windows...antivirus, antispyware, anti-adware. |
| 01:43.42 | mheath | klys: I'd like to keep it mini-CD sized, though. |
| 01:43.48 | klys | right |
| 01:43.58 | klys | still, ~150 MB |
| 01:43.59 | Lars-UT | mheath: what about a USB key version? |
| 01:44.06 | mheath | Lars-UT: that would be good, too |
| 01:44.22 | mheath | Lars-UT: the remove video thing stems from an idea I've been cooking up / thinking on for a long time |
| 01:44.33 | mheath | Its for a Linux all-inclusive Home Entertainment System |
| 01:44.50 | Lars-UT | mheath: my toolkit has bootable windows CDs that are pirated _and_ open source |
| 01:45.15 | mheath | The idea being that you can replace console systems, TiVO, desktop systems, etc. |
| 01:45.25 | mheath | All with one Home Entertainment system |
| 01:45.27 | Lars-UT | Some of the pirated ones are pretty impressive, such as Hiren & some version of WinPE |
| 01:45.51 | Lars-UT | mheath: with MythTV as one of the components? |
| 01:46.00 | mheath | I got the idea to extend the units capabilities throughout the house by wireless, handheld remote touchscreen tablets |
| 01:46.24 | mheath | So you could do everything with this unit not only sitting on your couch infront of the TV< but using a wireless device in your bedroom, or other rooms of the house |
| 01:46.30 | Lars-UT | Look at Kaleidescape if you want a great UI to emulate |
| 01:46.48 | mheath | However, that raises the question: How would you transmit high definition content wirelessly? |
| 01:47.02 | Lars-UT | with NFS |
| 01:47.22 | mheath | Lars-UT: We're talking real-time content, though. |
| 01:47.41 | mheath | The idea would be to handle all 3D rendering and such on the base unit, to cut down on the cost of the terminal units |
| 01:47.43 | Lars-UT | and limiting your traffic so that you aren't getting other RF interference - well limiting/ignoring it |
| 01:47.59 | Lars-UT | You'd want to use MIMO |
| 01:48.14 | mheath | Lars-UT: Well, yeah. |
| 01:48.49 | mheath | But I still don't think you'd be able to transmit rendered 3D game output wirelessly, decode it, and display it, without lots of noticeable lag |
| 01:49.02 | mheath | Using standard wireless, and technology like VLC or similar |
| 01:50.09 | Lars-UT | mheath: almost sounds like a solution in search of a problem - why throw out bus technologies that can push GB/sec speeds & try to use wireless? |
| 01:50.43 | Lars-UT | Onboard Video is pretty decent on some mobos |
| 01:50.45 | mheath | Lars-UT: bus technologies? We're talking about displaying data on cheap wireless handheld units. |
| 01:50.58 | Lars-UT | handheld - oh |
| 01:51.08 | Lars-UT | I'd wait |
| 01:51.32 | Lars-UT | 3d chips are surfacing there as well |
| 01:51.54 | mheath | Lars-UT: well, I could extend the cost and add a 3D chip. Not too big of a deal |
| 01:52.08 | mheath | but how do you, then, transfer gaming content to the wireless terminal? |
| 01:52.22 | mheath | The idea is that they're cheap wireless _terminals_ displaying content from a base unit |
| 01:52.43 | mheath | I can't think of anyway to do it, even with an onboard 3D chip, without giving it all the capabilities of a full computer anyway |
| 01:52.45 | Lars-UT | well a handheld would have lower resolution due to the smaller screen size, right? |
| 01:53.11 | Lars-UT | what size of screen are you targeting in inches? |
| 01:54.22 | Lars-UT | s/Liver/Live |
| 01:54.29 | mheath | Lars-UT: I'd like to get at least 6 inch. |
| 01:54.45 | Lars-UT | 640x480? |
| 01:54.50 | Lars-UT | 800x600? |
| 01:54.58 | mheath | Probably 640x480 |
| 01:58.49 | mheath | oh, COOL |
| 01:58.56 | mheath | I think I just found a really good solution |
| 01:59.07 | mheath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualGL |
| 02:01.05 | mheath | actually, hmm |
| 02:01.30 | mheath | I suppose I could just use remote X11, assuming I had 3D rendering capabilities on the client |
| 02:04.30 | mheath | Cool |
| 02:05.11 | mheath | "When used with VirtualGL, TurboVNC is capable of streaming the output of a full-screen (1280x1024) 3D application at greater than 15 frames/second with perceptually lossless image quality on 100 Megabit ethernet. |
| 02:06.03 | Lars-UT | you'll still need a very good wireless connection or bridge |
| 02:06.15 | mheath | "TurboVNC includes further optimizations to allow it to achieve 7-10 frames/second over broadband, with noticeable but usable image quality loss." |
| 02:06.24 | mheath | Lars-UT: 802.11n |
| 02:06.41 | Lars-UT | on the handheld? |
| 02:06.48 | mheath | And that second paragraph I quoted suggests you'd get decent quality even with 802.11b |
| 02:07.09 | mheath | Lars-UT: Sure. They make PCMCIA 802.11N interfaces. |
| 02:07.20 | Lars-UT | that would be very slick |
| 02:07.46 | mheath | The question is, how this translates to preformance and usability of realtime interactive things |
| 02:07.48 | Lars-UT | encryption could slow you down though |
| 02:08.00 | mheath | Games, where a half a second of lag can make it unplayable |
| 02:15.03 | mheath | I guess the only way to answer THAT, though, is to try it out :) |
| 02:21.55 | jsmith | Lars-UT! |
| 02:22.38 | Lars-UT | jsmith! |
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| 02:27.24 | mheath | This is cool. I'm excited. :) |
| 02:30.36 | Lars-UT | mheath: blog your hardware selections, I'd be interested to know more. |
| 02:31.08 | mheath | Lars-UT: I will do, I think |
| 02:31.23 | mheath | Probably because, at the moment, my blog has no content :P |
| 02:31.56 | mheath | oh, great, my ear is hurting. Just great - I had such good fun last time I had an ear infection.. |
| 02:32.07 | Lars-UT | mheath: just use a gmail account & sign up via blogspot.com |
| 02:32.25 | jsmith | Or you can get a free account at wordpress.com |
| 02:32.37 | mheath | Lars-UT: I have a blog hosted on my server, just never use it |
| 02:32.44 | mheath | blog.mtheath.net |
| 02:33.00 | Lars-UT | mheath: well, use it, man! |
| 02:33.19 | Lars-UT | ~lart mheath |
| 02:33.19 | ibot | turns mheath into a lifesized tux doll |
| 02:33.33 | mheath | Meh, its not syndicated anywhere, you wouldn't remember to read it anyway :P |
| 02:35.40 | Lars-UT | just put it on openclue |
| 02:35.53 | mheath | I was going to do that sometime. |
| 02:36.56 | Lars-UT | mheath: Just use a childhood picture like Steve Dibb did |
| 02:37.33 | Lars-UT | somebody was using a certain North Korean dictator's head for a while |
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| 02:39.14 | Lars-UT | ~echelon fodder |
| 02:39.15 | ibot | methinks echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 02:39.28 | Re|ent|ess | Are you fetching kidding me |
| 02:39.33 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 02:39.37 | Re|ent|ess | There is a Utah channel? |
| 02:39.44 | mheath | No |
| 02:39.47 | mheath | its all a lie |
| 02:39.49 | Lars-UT | fetch yeah. |
| 02:39.57 | Re|ent|ess | lol |
| 02:40.03 | mheath | Go, fetch! |
| 02:40.04 | Re|ent|ess | Any mormons in here? |
| 02:40.04 | Lars-UT | flipiin' fetchers |
| 02:40.08 | mheath | .... |
| 02:40.10 | mheath | Go, troll! |
| 02:40.14 | Re|ent|ess | No |
| 02:40.15 | Lars-UT | heck yeah! |
| 02:40.17 | Re|ent|ess | Im mormon |
| 02:40.24 | Re|ent|ess | Im not trolling |
| 02:40.26 | Re|ent|ess | Im a mormon |
| 02:40.28 | Re|ent|ess | And |
| 02:40.35 | Re|ent|ess | I have yet yo met one on Irc |
| 02:40.54 | Re|ent|ess | *to |
| 02:41.03 | Lars-UT | plenty of Utahan Mormons here. |
| 02:41.10 | Re|ent|ess | YAY |
| 02:41.20 | mheath | O.o |
| 02:41.26 | mheath | I'm not mormon. |
| 02:41.33 | Lars-UT | and Utahan FLOSS zealots in general |
| 02:41.34 | Re|ent|ess | :O |
| 02:41.43 | Re|ent|ess | FLOSS? |
| 02:41.52 | Lars-UT | ~define FLOSS |
| 02:41.53 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 02:41.58 | Lars-UT | ~dict FLOSS |
| 02:42.04 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 02:42.05 | Re|ent|ess | Lol |
| 02:42.25 | Re|ent|ess | ~ditc Fetch 3 |
| 02:42.27 | mheath | Lars-UT: I want to make the terminal unit gumstix based, if all the heavy work is handled on the server... |
| 02:42.32 | Re|ent|ess | ~dictFetch 3 |
| 02:42.35 | Re|ent|ess | ~dict Fetch 3 |
| 02:42.37 | mheath | Low cost, lower power use.. |
| 02:42.41 | Re|ent|ess | ~dict Fetch 2 |
| 02:42.46 | Lars-UT | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS |
| 02:42.46 | Re|ent|ess | ~dict Fetch |
| 02:43.01 | Lars-UT | ~fetch |
| 02:43.02 | ibot | i heard fetch is Hey, just say what you really mean! |
| 02:43.11 | Re|ent|ess | No |
| 02:43.30 | Re|ent|ess | Fetch it the better alternitive of a 4 letter word. |
| 02:43.42 | Re|ent|ess | ANy SOP fans? |
| 02:43.57 | Lars-UT | mheath: that would be _really_ cool |
| 02:44.13 | Re|ent|ess | I shall Idle |
| 02:44.15 | Re|ent|ess | <.< |
| 02:44.21 | Lars-UT | ~dict frack |
| 02:44.28 | Lars-UT | ~frack |
| 02:44.28 | ibot | well, frack is the old spelling for "frak" |
| 02:44.33 | mheath | Lars-UT: I don't have money for all this though, thats the problem |
| 02:44.42 | mheath | It would take lots of trial and error testing and bechmarking to figure out what works best |
| 02:44.50 | mheath | And I don't have money to buy lots of random electronics to test :P |
| 02:44.56 | mheath | ~floss |
| 02:44.57 | ibot | rumour has it, floss is Free, Libre, and Open Source Software |
| 02:45.10 | Lars-UT | mheath: then just wait a while for the embedded 3D chips to become more commonplace |
| 02:45.43 | mheath | It won't take embedded 3D |
| 02:45.50 | mheath | VirtualGL, everything is rendered on the server :) |
| 02:45.59 | Lars-UT | mheath: 802.11n will become more popular as well and the traffic management will be easier the longer you wait |
| 02:46.28 | mheath | 802.11g would be more than useable, it seems. |
| 02:46.41 | mheath | And gumstix has 802.11g modules available |
| 02:47.00 | mheath | Lars-UT: haha |
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| 02:48.21 | Lars-UT | mheath: not makin' that one up |
| 02:48.30 | mheath | I know |
| 02:48.34 | mheath | I've seen that episode |
| 02:49.00 | Lars-UT | me too - otherwise my kids wouldn't be watching it - we screen all kinds of studd |
| 02:49.06 | Lars-UT | s/studd/stuff |
| 02:49.08 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 02:49.49 | Lars-UT | No antenna or cable TV subscription here, just torrents & DVDs |
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| 03:09.14 | levi_home | elg: ping |
| 03:09.26 | mheath | levi_home: welcome home :P |
| 03:09.41 | levi_home | mheath: Hi. |
| 03:10.05 | mheath | levi_home: I've been coming up with lots of really cool ideas for my Home Entertainment PC idea :) |
| 03:10.24 | levi_home | mheath: Is this a product idea or just something you're making for yourself? |
| 03:11.28 | mheath | Product idea. |
| 03:12.33 | levi_home | What sorts of ideas? |
| 03:12.38 | Supaplex | -chat about product idea |
| 03:12.38 | brac | product idea or not I asked them what wtf stood for anything salt lake-ish |
| 03:12.57 | mheath | levi_home: Do you remember any of the old discussions about this idea? |
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| 03:13.09 | levi_home | Vaguely. |
| 03:13.49 | mheath | Powerful base unit renders content, delievers it to wireless handheld touchscreen terminals throughout the house |
| 03:14.14 | mheath | I'd been struggling with how to deliver high definition 3D content, and videos and such to client terminals |
| 03:14.42 | mheath | I found out about http://www.virtualgl.org/ today thoug |
| 03:15.17 | Supaplex | just call it vcast and make it slow as real player on .5 mbit connection. |
| 03:15.18 | mheath | And I'm working on lots of hardware ideas for the terminal units.. |
| 03:15.23 | Supaplex | oh wait, someone does that already. |
| 03:15.27 | mheath | Supaplex: haha |
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| 03:29.05 | levi_home | mheath: This is not really applicable to what you're doing, but Matrox has a cool gadget that sends data over fiber to a small, fanless rendering unit that can drive multiple displays and also has a USB hub. |
| 03:29.36 | levi_home | Like a remote multi-head video card. |
| 03:29.47 | mheath | levi_home: Linux compatible? |
| 03:30.14 | levi_home | And since it runs over fiber, it can run at huge distances (250m, I think) without degradation. |
| 03:30.22 | levi_home | I don't imagine it has Linux drivers. |
| 03:30.33 | mheath | bah. |
| 03:30.49 | levi_home | I could be wrong; I didn't check. |
| 03:38.34 | mheath | levi_home: http://blog.mtheath.net/?p=5 |
| 03:45.34 | mheath | levi_home: let me know what you think |
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| 04:47.40 | levi_home | mheath: Sorry, I was away from this screen reading the asterisk book. |
| 04:49.00 | levi_home | Sounds cool. Not a lot of technical detail in the blog post, but I suppose you don't have a lot of it worked out yet. |
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| 05:07.30 | mheath | levi_home: I have more technical details worked out than you'd think, actually. |
| 05:07.36 | mheath | Or at least lots of technical ideas :P |
| 05:07.43 | mheath | Going to write a lot more in the future |
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| 05:29.09 | mheath | hmm |
| 05:32.00 | Supaplex | just maybe |
| 05:32.08 | mheath | bah |
| 05:32.14 | Supaplex | er wait. you me and a few billion other people. :) |
| 05:32.22 | mheath | meh. |
| 05:32.37 | Supaplex | did I spoil your fun? |
| 05:33.15 | mheath | Yes. |
| 05:33.54 | mheath | Supaplex: What do you think of my ideas? :) |
| 05:40.30 | mheath | Bah |
| 05:40.49 | mheath | Why does everyone who writes desktop themes seem obsessedw tih emulating other desktop's looks? |
| 05:40.54 | mheath | Whats wrong with coding something new and cool? |
| 05:42.42 | levi_home | Man, the asterisk dialplan language is kludgy. |
| 05:44.12 | Supaplex | mheath: sounds spiffy. |
| 05:44.22 | Supaplex | i'd say more, but I'm on my way out. |
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| 05:54.28 | mheath | levi_home: http://blog.mtheath.net/?p=6 |
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| 06:08.42 | levi_home | mheath: You might want to label the different sections. It doesn't mean a whole lot to me the way it is. |
| 06:09.11 | mheath | levi_home: those sections are old. |
| 06:09.20 | mheath | As the post says, that was an old idea I've since abandoned |
| 06:09.32 | levi_home | OK |
| 06:10.24 | mheath | screen is solid / continuous now |
| 06:10.36 | mheath | And I plan on a keyboard + trackball |
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| 06:27.36 | levi_home | The more I read about the asterisk dialplan language, the more ill it makes me feel. :P |
| 06:27.55 | levi_home | The system itself is way cool, but the language... aiee. |
| 06:37.36 | mheath | Wow |
| 06:37.56 | mheath | I just found a company thats charting $1,000 for the GNU toolchain compiled for embedded devices :P |
| 06:52.22 | mheath | http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm |
| 06:52.23 | brac | [EM-X270 - Handheld computer for embedded applications] |
| 06:52.25 | mheath | Thats cool.. |
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| 07:02.49 | mheath | http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-cm-datasheet.htm |
| 07:02.49 | brac | [CM-X270 Computer-On-Module - XScale PXA270 SBC with WLAN/WiFI 802.11b, |
| 07:02.50 | brac | 2700G, PCI bus, 100BaseT, Flash Disk, LCD and Audio] |
| 07:02.50 | mheath | that too |
| 07:06.28 | Sargun | donuts? |
| 07:06.34 | Sargun | I want donuts. |
| 07:06.44 | Sargun | anyone here have donuts |
| 07:06.46 | Sargun | ~donuts |
| 07:06.46 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, donuts is n.obs. A collective noun for any set of memory bits. This is extremely archaic and may no longer be live jargon; it dates from the days of ferrite-core memories in which each bit was implemented by a doughnut-shaped magnetic flip-flop. |
| 07:06.46 | mheath | Wow, I could build this thing for under $200, _easy_ |
| 07:07.42 | Sargun | same formfactor? |
| 07:07.52 | herlo | ~simpsons Sargun |
| 07:08.38 | mheath | Dropping the touchscreen, of course... |
| 07:08.45 | mheath | Touchscreen wouldn't be that beneficial anyway |
| 07:08.48 | mheath | Trackball would be way better |
| 07:12.49 | Sargun | ~who |
| 07:12.54 | Sargun | ~who likes |
| 07:12.57 | Sargun | ~who likes w |
| 07:13.16 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $person is nobody lines $person |
| 07:13.18 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, Sargun |
| 07:13.21 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $person is nobody lines $person |
| 07:13.23 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, Sargun |
| 07:13.36 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $0 is nobody lines $0 |
| 07:13.38 | ibot | Sargun: what are you talking about? |
| 07:13.53 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $0 is nobody likes $0 |
| 07:13.55 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, Sargun |
| 07:14.06 | Sargun | ibot, who likes is nobody likes |
| 07:14.08 | ibot | Sargun: what are you talking about? |
| 07:14.11 | Sargun | ~-onjoin |
| 07:14.16 | Sargun | ~onjoin |
| 07:14.16 | ibot | onjoin for sargun set by brac on Thu Jul 12 19:13:07 2007: <Tene> Whenever Sargun agrees with me! |
| 07:14.22 | Sargun | ~onjoin del |
| 07:14.28 | mheath | haha |
| 07:14.49 | Sargun | gah |
| 07:14.59 | Sargun | how do you use this |
| 07:15.10 | Sargun | brac, die. |
| 07:15.14 | Sargun | burn |
| 07:15.18 | Sargun | from the insides out. |
| 07:15.26 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath |
| 07:16.05 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath So, have you actually done something yet without FAILING in the middle of it, QUITTING. |
| 07:16.05 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
| 07:16.12 | Sargun | mheath, cycle |
| 07:16.16 | Sargun | ~onjoin -sargun |
| 07:16.16 | ibot | ok, Sargun |
| 07:16.17 | herlo | ibot: simpsons $1 is <action> $1 chases a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 07:16.18 | ibot | herlo: okay |
| 07:16.25 | herlo | ~simpsons Sargun |
| 07:16.25 | ibot | ACTION Sargun chases a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 07:16.51 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath |
| 07:16.51 | ibot | onjoin for mheath set by sargun on Sat Jul 14 01:16:05 2007: So, have you actually done something yet without FAILING in the middle of it, QUITTING. |
| 07:17.29 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath |
| 07:17.29 | ibot | onjoin for mheath set by sargun on Sat Jul 14 01:16:05 2007: So, have you actually done something yet without FAILING in the middle of it, QUITTING. |
| 07:17.32 | mheath | hmm |
| 07:17.36 | Sargun | #ibot, who likes $1 is nobody likes |
| 07:17.40 | Sargun | you need help with that? |
| 07:17.54 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath |
| 07:18.00 | mheath | woot. |
| 07:18.01 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath is So, have you actually done something yet without FAILING in the middle of it or QUITTING? |
| 07:18.01 | ibot | ok, Sargun |
| 07:18.16 | Sargun | you just prepend a "-" to the nick. |
| 07:18.20 | Sargun | not too difficult. |
| 07:18.27 | Sargun | just needed to fix grammar. |
| 07:18.58 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $1 is nobody likes $1 |
| 07:19.00 | ibot | Sargun: what are you talking about? |
| 07:19.05 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $1 is <say> nobody likes $1 |
| 07:19.06 | ibot | Sargun: okay |
| 07:19.14 | Sargun | ~who likes mheath |
| 07:19.14 | ibot | <say> nobody likes mheath |
| 07:19.23 | Sargun | stupid bot |
| 07:19.33 | Sargun | ibot, who likes $1 is nobody likes $1 |
| 07:19.33 | ibot | <say> nobody likes $1 is nobody likes $1 |
| 07:19.44 | Sargun | ibot, "who likes $1 is" "nobody likes $1" |
| 07:19.48 | Sargun | ibot, "who likes $1" is "nobody likes $1" |
| 07:19.49 | ibot | Sargun: what are you talking about? |
| 07:20.00 | Sargun | why is ibot so slow? |
| 07:20.35 | herlo | Sargun: becasue you keep trying to talk to him |
| 07:20.41 | herlo | ibot: don't talk to Sargun anymore |
| 07:20.50 | Sargun | ~say hi |
| 07:20.51 | ibot | hi |
| 07:21.26 | herlo | ~ignore Sargun |
| 07:21.26 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Sargun!" |
| 07:21.32 | Sargun | ~who likes mheath |
| 07:21.32 | ibot | <say> nobody likes mheath |
| 07:21.41 | Sargun | how do you delete functions? |
| 07:21.43 | herlo | Sargun: it works this way |
| 07:21.53 | Sargun | ibot, forget who likes |
| 07:21.53 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'who likes' to forget, Sargun |
| 07:21.58 | Sargun | o.O |
| 07:22.09 | Sargun | ibot, forget who likes $1 |
| 07:22.09 | ibot | Sargun: i didn't have anything called 'who likes $1' to forget |
| 07:22.21 | Sargun | get off the crack you bot... |
| 07:22.23 | herlo | ibot: no, who likes $1 is <action> nobody likes $1 |
| 07:22.24 | ibot | herlo: okay |
| 07:22.29 | herlo | ~who mheath |
| 07:22.30 | ibot | mheath is, like, half Marine, half civilian. The hanousness can't quite take over.... |
| 07:22.37 | herlo | ~who likes mheath |
| 07:22.38 | ibot | ACTION nobody likes mheath |
| 07:22.53 | Sargun | <action> is /me isn't it? |
| 07:22.55 | Sargun | ~who likes me |
| 07:22.56 | ibot | ACTION nobody likes sargun |
| 07:23.00 | Sargun | o.O |
| 07:23.07 | Sargun | that's uh, odd... |
| 07:23.12 | Sargun | ~who likes herlo |
| 07:23.13 | ibot | ACTION nobody likes herlo |
| 07:23.13 | herlo | Sargun: it works that way too |
| 07:23.41 | herlo | ibot who likes herlo is <action> I'd say everyone likes herlo |
| 07:23.41 | ibot | ACTION nobody likes herlo is <action> I'd say everyone likes herlo |
| 07:23.53 | herlo | ibot: who likes herlo is <action> I'd say everyone likes herlo |
| 07:23.53 | ibot | ACTION nobody likes herlo is <action> I'd say everyone likes herlo |
| 07:24.07 | herlo | ibot no, who likes herlo is <action> I'd say everyone likes herlo |
| 07:24.07 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 07:24.14 | herlo | ~who likes herlo |
| 07:24.14 | ibot | ACTION nobody likes herlo |
| 07:24.23 | herlo | ibot: eh! |
| 07:24.24 | ibot | 'eh' is synonymous with the american dirivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara |
| 07:24.26 | sontek | haha |
| 07:24.27 | Sargun | can't you make it message. |
| 07:24.28 | sontek | owned! |
| 07:24.28 | Sargun | haha |
| 07:24.33 | Sargun | ibot is on crack. |
| 07:24.34 | ibot | No, I'm not! |
| 07:24.46 | mheath | How so? |
| 07:25.51 | mheath | How is ibot on crack? |
| 07:27.01 | mheath | Found my perfect thing! |
| 07:27.02 | Sargun | why don't you just say stuff in the channel |
| 07:27.13 | mheath | http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-cm-datasheet.htm + http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-sb-datasheet.htm |
| 07:27.16 | brac | [CM-X270 Computer-On-Module - XScale PXA270 SBC with WLAN/WiFI 802.11b, |
| 07:27.17 | brac | 2700G, PCI bus, 100BaseT, Flash Disk, LCD and Audio] |
| 07:27.31 | mheath | eh? |
| 07:28.10 | mheath | its cool, and like $100 for the lot |
| 08:12.28 | Sargun | I want 10000 of those. at $0.01 each |
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| 08:19.40 | iSupaplex | mheath: still up? :) |
| 08:22.39 | Sargun | no |
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| 13:40.06 | brac | ~onjoin harleypig "Oh, bother" said Pooh as he buried Piglet's body. |
| 13:40.06 | ibot | brac: ok |
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| 16:23.03 | eth01 | hi |
| 16:23.12 | eth01 | anybody from brigham round here? |
| 16:23.21 | eth01 | and know of a trent phippen? |
| 16:23.33 | findlay | nope |
| 16:23.46 | eth01 | da |
| 16:23.51 | eth01 | damn..hrm |
| 16:24.02 | eth01 | are you from brigham though? |
| 16:24.32 | findlay | nope |
| 16:49.19 | mheath | come to think of it, I don't know anyone up there...but I don't pay attention |
| 16:49.23 | mheath | Morning all! |
| 16:49.44 | sinuhe | Morning. |
| 16:50.27 | mheath | I stayed up late pricing electronics. Worth it, though - I found some good stuff. |
| 16:50.42 | herlo | eth01: brigham city? |
| 16:51.34 | herlo | eth01: because brigham city is kinda close to both Ogedn and Logan where we have LUGS (that I know of). Is there a LUG in brigham city? |
| 16:51.57 | mheath | herlo: I'm pretty sure there isn't. |
| 16:51.59 | mheath | OALUG is closest. |
| 16:53.53 | mheath | I found this http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-sb-datasheet.htm |
| 16:53.56 | brac | [SB-X270 - Single Board PC/104+ with XScale PXA270 CPU, USB, PCMCIA, Flash |
| 16:53.56 | brac | Disk, PCI, dual Ethernet] |
| 16:54.04 | mheath | and this: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-cm-datasheet.htm |
| 16:54.06 | brac | [CM-X270 Computer-On-Module - XScale PXA270 SBC with WLAN/WiFI 802.11b, |
| 16:54.06 | brac | 2700G, PCI bus, 100BaseT, Flash Disk, LCD and Audio] |
| 16:54.07 | mheath | last night |
| 17:05.11 | mheath | What is the TLD "il" for? |
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| 17:16.10 | mheath | Oh, Israel. Not bad. |
| 17:16.37 | mheath | I was a bit worried about buying electronics from some random third world country....but Israeli electronics shouldn't be bad |
| 17:16.39 | mheath | cheapest thing I can find, too |
| 17:17.02 | mheath | Thing things have faster processors than gumstix, more features, and a more standard extension format |
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| 17:54.35 | eth01 | Yeah... PM |
| 17:55.07 | eth01 | im talking utah |
| 17:55.10 | eth01 | in the states |
| 17:55.10 | eth01 | heh |
| 18:04.41 | mheath | LCD is the most expensive part, by far... |
| 18:06.11 | mheath | Why the heck does it cost like $300-$300 for a 6.4 inch OEM LCD, when I'm able to get a 20inch, high resolution, high contrast, fast response LCD for like $150? |
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| 19:02.24 | aldaek | do you have a recommendation for a network mapping utitlity to see the current state off a network either on windows or on linux? |
| 19:15.48 | QBFreak | hmm, I upgraded Debian and now when I do 'ls' there is no whitespace between file entries |
| 19:17.41 | QBFreak | http://rafb.net/p/jHHGcW75.html |
| 19:24.57 | mheath | is it formated just as it appears in that paste? |
| 19:25.06 | mheath | Is that what you're complaining about, columns not lining up? |
| 19:25.15 | mheath | Otherwise I don't see the problem |
| 19:25.35 | mheath | oh, nevermind |
| 19:25.39 | mheath | in that first little bit.... |
| 19:25.40 | mheath | hmmm |
| 19:25.44 | mheath | make sure your TERM is correct |
| 19:34.48 | QBFreak | I just needed to reboot apparently |
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| 19:46.01 | Pani1 | hey |
| 19:51.54 | mheath | QBFreak: yeah, cause it was probably your TERM, which a reboot probably fixed :P |
| 19:53.18 | mheath | Welcome, Pani1 |
| 19:53.23 | mheath | wow, lots of new people in here lately |
| 19:57.26 | calvarez | I'm just wondering if the best way to store videoclips and multimedia in general would be in H.264/AAC MP4 files |
| 19:57.33 | calvarez | would those formats offer the best deal in quality-to-filesize ratio? (I don't care about encoding time) |
| 20:05.01 | Pani1 | most likely |
| 20:06.37 | Pani1 | how many are you storing?\ |
| 20:09.13 | Pani1 | Hey I'm in a boring belgian farming town for 2 weeks, anyone know any addicting games I can play that will last me two weeks? |
| 20:09.48 | mheath | World of Warcraft? :P |
| 20:11.52 | Pani1 | being bored |
| 20:18.03 | Pani1 | anyone know any free online rpg games? |
| 20:32.13 | QBFreak | my cousin is into one called "Pirate King Online" |
| 20:32.42 | QBFreak | no idea if its still free or not, it was in november of last year |
| 20:33.44 | Pani1 | hmmm |
| 20:33.46 | Pani1 | thanks |
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| 20:44.54 | Pani1 | hey calv |
| 21:00.20 | calvarez | hi |
| 21:00.45 | calvarez | so, any responses to my earlier question? |
| 21:01.16 | calvarez | is H.264/AAC MP4 files the way to go for storing and playing media files? |
| 21:01.40 | calvarez | I care the most for quality-to-filesize video, licensing and encoding time aren't a concern |
| 21:01.49 | calvarez | sorry for the OT |
| 21:05.38 | Estwald | mheath: Re: LCD prices. Because you are only buying one frome the OEM, not thousands. |
| 21:06.17 | mheath | Estwald: I'm looking at some OEM sites that sell in bulk |
| 21:06.32 | mheath | Theres a decent price drop for large quantities, but still not that much. |
| 21:08.18 | Estwald | Is 6.4 inch the most common size used in portable DVD players ? If not maybe they are where you might find a better price. |
| 21:10.01 | mheath | LCD's in DVD players very. |
| 21:11.36 | Estwald | Good luck. Sounds like an interesting project, even if its only one to see what could be done. |
| 21:12.56 | mheath | Estwald: you read my blog post about the whole thing? :) |
| 21:24.53 | Estwald | Back had a knoc at the door. |
| 21:25.06 | Estwald | Not I haven't. |
| 21:25.17 | Estwald | Blog at PLUG ? |
| 21:36.34 | mheath | nah |
| 21:36.49 | mheath | Estwald: http://blog.mtheath.net/?p=5 |
| 21:37.51 | Estwald | Goin' there. |
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| 21:43.29 | Estwald | Cool plan, go for it. |
| 21:44.12 | Estwald | Gotta be gone for a while. but always logging. |
| 21:44.25 | mheath | Heh, don't really have the money to 'go for it' |
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