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| 00:00.11 | mheath | So, thats odd |
| 00:00.23 | mheath | last time i messed with it, http://www.mtheath.net/ went to a blank page |
| 00:00.34 | mheath | you had to go to http://blog.mtheath.net/ to see the blog page |
| 00:00.43 | mheath | Now it goes to the blog no matter what you type |
| 00:00.50 | mheath | and I can't for the life of me figure out why.. |
| 00:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a vhost misconfiguration |
| 00:01.20 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: I've checked it |
| 00:01.35 | mheath | theres only a vhost for blog.mtheath.net:80 |
| 00:01.46 | mheath | ala <VirtualHost blog.mtheath.net:80> |
| 00:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's your problem |
| 00:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The first vhost listed is used if none match |
| 00:02.02 | mheath | ah |
| 00:02.05 | mheath | Thats odd |
| 00:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Make another for mtheath.net, put it before blog. |
| 00:02.09 | mheath | Wonder why it worked before |
| 00:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll be used as default |
| 00:02.21 | mheath | cool |
| 00:02.22 | mheath | thanks, ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure |
| 00:02.31 | mheath | been ages since I've tinkered with this stuff |
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| 00:05.36 | mheath | still doing it |
| 00:06.12 | mheath | <VirtualHost mtheath.net:80> ServerAdmin mheath@mtheath.net DocumentRoot /var/www/html ServerName mtheath.net ErrorLog logs/mtheath.net-error_log CustomLog logs/mtheath.net-access_log common |
| 00:06.17 | mheath | </VirtualHost> |
| 00:06.19 | mheath | <VirtualHost blog.mtheath.net:80> ServerAdmin mheath@mtheath.net DocumentRoot /var/www/blog.mtheath.net ServerName blog.mtheath.net ErrorLog logs/blog.mthheath.net-error_log CustomLog logs/blogs.mtheath.net-access_log common |
| 00:06.23 | mheath | </VirtualHost> |
| 00:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid question... reload apache? |
| 00:06.45 | mheath | did |
| 00:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me SSH to a server with a working copy of PHP, sec |
| 00:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Gentoo? |
| 00:09.28 | mheath | Fedora Core 6 |
| 00:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | httpd -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS |
| 00:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 00:10.34 | mheath | Thats...odd. |
| 00:10.52 | mheath | [root@mtheath ~]# httpd -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS |
| 00:10.53 | mheath | VirtualHost configuration: |
| 00:10.53 | mheath | [::1]:80 mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:990) |
| 00:10.53 | mheath | 166.70.208.21:80 blog.mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:997) |
| 00:10.53 | mheath | 127.0.0.1:80 mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:990) |
| 00:10.55 | mheath | Syntax OK |
| 00:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a line like this: |
| 00:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | *:80 is a NameVirtualHost |
| 00:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Which tells me the default vhost which is accessed when someone hits the IP |
| 00:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, it seems your problem is IP addressing. ;) |
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| 00:12.34 | mheath | oh, thats why. Hmmm. |
| 00:12.45 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a workaround so you can access mtheath.net from your local computer, behind a home router |
| 00:13.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I can tell you that already |
| 00:13.23 | mheath | Hey, I'm quite literally not the one who put that there :P |
| 00:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a bad thing. It's one way to get things done |
| 00:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I wind up with a few iptables rules to re-write traffic to get it done |
| 00:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Little cleaner, bit more complex |
| 00:15.20 | mheath | not woring |
| 00:15.22 | mheath | still |
| 00:15.23 | mheath | now I got |
| 00:15.31 | mheath | [root@mtheath conf]# httpd -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS |
| 00:15.31 | mheath | VirtualHost configuration: |
| 00:15.31 | mheath | [::1]:80 mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:990) |
| 00:15.31 | mheath | 166.70.208.21:80 blog.mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:997) |
| 00:15.31 | mheath | Syntax OK |
| 00:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | You probably want to configure both of those vhosts to listen on 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:16.09 | mheath | hold on |
| 00:16.10 | mheath | grr |
| 00:16.50 | mheath | Fixed that |
| 00:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing to see here, please move along. |
| 00:17.01 | mheath | now I only see mtheath.net stuff, even on blog.mtheath.net :P |
| 00:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | What's your NameVirtualHosts line? |
| 00:17.24 | mheath | [root@mtheath conf]# service httpd restart |
| 00:17.24 | mheath | Stopping httpd: [ OK ] |
| 00:17.24 | mheath | Starting httpd: [Mon Jul 09 18:16:26 2007] [warn] VirtualHost mtheath.net:80 overlaps with VirtualHost blog.mtheath.net:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [ OK ] |
| 00:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, called that. |
| 00:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have apache set up to actually run vhosts. |
| 00:17.47 | mheath | How do I fix _That_? |
| 00:17.49 | mheath | AH |
| 00:17.54 | mheath | bah |
| 00:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 00:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Toss that in your conf file |
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| 00:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Above the vhosts declaration, but it shouldn't matter |
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| 00:19.04 | mheath | [root@mtheath conf]# service httpd restart |
| 00:19.04 | mheath | Stopping httpd: [ OK ] |
| 00:19.04 | mheath | Starting httpd: [Mon Jul 09 18:18:36 2007] [warn] VirtualHost mtheath.net:80 overlaps with VirtualHost blog.mtheath.net:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive |
| 00:19.08 | mheath | [Mon Jul 09 18:18:36 2007] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts [ OK ] |
| 00:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it's time you pastebin your conf file ;) |
| 00:20.41 | mheath | hold on, this will take a sec |
| 00:20.50 | mheath | gotta copy from a terminal :P |
| 00:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't scp it over? |
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| 00:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You've got >1000 lines in there... |
| 00:21.36 | mheath | nah, I'm on a windows host here.... |
| 00:21.40 | mheath | not really setup to do that atm |
| 00:21.49 | mheath | here |
| 00:21.52 | mheath | I have an idea |
| 00:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I do too |
| 00:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ftp://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/SSHSecureShellClient-3.2.9.exe |
| 00:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | GUI that gives you SFTP |
| 00:22.58 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: http://www.mtheath.net/httpd.conf.txt |
| 00:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 00:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That works |
| 00:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | <VirtualHost mtheath.net:80> |
| 00:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 00:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 00:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 00:24.46 | mheath | [root@mtheath conf]# service httpd restart |
| 00:24.46 | mheath | Stopping httpd: [ OK ] |
| 00:24.46 | mheath | Starting httpd: [ OK ] |
| 00:24.46 | mheath | [root@mtheath conf]# |
| 00:24.48 | mheath | woot |
| 00:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 00:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | .mt is still doing blog.mt |
| 00:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You changed the blog. one too, right? |
| 00:25.37 | mheath | to what? |
| 00:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | *:80 |
| 00:25.54 | mheath | huh? |
| 00:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | All <VirtualHost> blocks should match whatever you have as NameVirtualHost |
| 00:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS again |
| 00:26.34 | mheath | nevermind, I see, I fixed it |
| 00:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Perfect |
| 00:27.08 | mheath | [root@mtheath conf]# httpd -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS |
| 00:27.08 | mheath | VirtualHost configuration: |
| 00:27.08 | mheath | wildcard NameVirtualHosts and _default_ servers: |
| 00:27.09 | mheath | *:80 is a NameVirtualHost default server mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:993) port 80 namevhost mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:993) port 80 namevhost blog.mtheath.net (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:1000) |
| 00:27.12 | mheath | Syntax OK |
| 00:27.15 | mheath | :) |
| 00:27.19 | mheath | OK, I'll tinker more later |
| 00:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Should have just had you give me your httpd.conf in the first place, heh |
| 00:27.29 | mheath | heh |
| 00:27.34 | mheath | TIme to go play some WoW now, though |
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| 00:59.36 | klys | must be rush hour |
| 01:01.39 | elg | ok, I have a cvs repo about 150 megs. I have a release tarball from a few months ago. I want to avoid redownloading the whole thing, can I bootstrap CVS somehow? |
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| 01:20.28 | klys | elg: so your most recent cvs tree was repossessed? |
| 01:21.14 | klys | yeah yeah |
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| 01:41.30 | jbellis | how do you list all files in a given apt repository? |
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| 01:55.31 | Lakshmi | holas sargun |
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| 02:04.24 | QBFreak | would anyone here be interested in some old 10 Base-2 networking equipment? |
| 02:04.29 | QBFreak | I have two ISA cards, a whole bunch of cables and terminators, and a few 10 Base-T/10 Base-2 hubs |
| 02:05.20 | tensai | for what, a museum? |
| 02:06.13 | QBFreak | I don't care why anyone might, just so long as they say something before I chuck it |
| 02:06.31 | tensai | jbellis: look if /var/lib/apt/lists. that's where the actual Packages files are stored. grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages |
| 02:07.10 | tensai | QBFreak: if I weren't a couple hundred miles away I would take the terminators for my collection, but it's not worth the shipping to me |
| 02:07.29 | bonez39 | is it possible to take a .pdf and stretch it...either horizontally, or vertically, and then print it out changed that way? |
| 02:09.12 | jbellis | tx tensai |
| 02:10.09 | levi_home | My first network was 10 base T. |
| 02:10.16 | levi_home | Ahh, memories. |
| 02:10.43 | levi_home | I got them from a cheap used bin even back then. |
| 02:11.00 | levi_home | In the mid-90s. |
| 02:11.25 | QBFreak | levi_home: same here |
| 02:11.26 | levi_home | Well, maybe late-90s. |
| 02:13.18 | tensai | unfortunately I never actually got to use the stuff, just heard all the stories |
| 02:14.20 | QBFreak | my dad and I cooked up a matching batch file and qbasic program to sync the clocks over the network |
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| 02:29.10 | calvarez | where can I get a theora/vorbis codec pack with installer for windows for use with virtualdub? |
| 02:29.37 | klys | did Nimo Codec pack not inglude ogg vorbis? did you get the latest one? |
| 02:32.12 | calvarez | hmm, it has vorbis but no theora or flac :( |
| 02:38.26 | levi_home | QBFreak: I was using it with Linux. |
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| 03:03.10 | Supaplex | ibot: spell savvy |
| 03:06.40 | Supaplex | awesome. |
| 03:13.13 | mheath | so |
| 03:13.28 | mheath | Does one run into lots of problems attempting to upgrage from FC6 to FC7? |
| 03:15.05 | Supaplex | is it as easy as aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade ; edit sources.list (debian: sarge etch) ; aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:17.21 | mheath | I have no idea. I never said I was defending Fedora |
| 03:17.44 | Supaplex | I have no idea either. |
| 03:19.30 | mheath | Fedora Cores dependencies are rediculous |
| 03:19.34 | mheath | The inter-package requirements |
| 03:19.48 | Supaplex | rpm dependency hell? that's their hallmark, isn't it? |
| 03:19.50 | mheath | Trying to update my VPS; the only way I can find to update the distro wants to install all of X11 and gnome. |
| 03:22.11 | Supaplex | fun |
| 03:24.36 | herlo | Supaplex: to what are you referring when you are talking about rpm hell? |
| 03:24.58 | klys | mheath: you would probably end up downloading random packages from rpmfind.net if you had to maintain FC7 too much |
| 03:58.55 | mheath | So |
| 03:59.02 | mheath | Weber State University seems to have no real CS classes |
| 03:59.07 | mheath | and they have no real engineering degrees |
| 03:59.20 | mheath | All their engineering degrees are "Engineering Technology" degrees. |
| 04:05.26 | Supaplex | I love the smell of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY in the morning |
| 04:11.09 | Estwald | Thermite, it not just for cooking anymore.... |
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| 04:44.55 | herlo | unum_: ping? |
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| 05:06.30 | mheath | hmm |
| 05:09.36 | mheath | Are the utosc conference organizer people still accepting presentation proposals? |
| 05:10.05 | mheath | Their main page suggests that, and I notice a news item that was there previously and mentioned a past deadline has been removed |
| 05:10.23 | mheath | The participate page says they're currently accepting proposals, but states a July 1st deadline |
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| 05:13.01 | mheath | herlo: ? |
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| 06:01.01 | findlay | ~lart all girls except markl_ |
| 06:01.01 | ibot | burns all girls except markl_ to a crisp with a laser |
| 06:01.17 | findlay | s/markl_/maquis/ |
| 06:01.30 | Supaplex | ~lart yesterday |
| 06:01.30 | ibot | gives yesterday a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 06:03.49 | findlay | ~lart all girls except maquis again |
| 06:03.49 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at all girls except maquis again |
| 06:04.01 | findlay | lousy larts |
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| 06:57.06 | Supaplex | ibot: convert 87 degrees F to C |
| 06:57.35 | Supaplex | ibot: convert 87F to C |
| 06:57.45 | Supaplex | whatever. |
| 06:58.29 | Supaplex | 87 degrees Fahrenheit = 30.5555556 degrees Celsius |
| 06:58.33 | Supaplex | google figured me out. |
| 06:58.44 | Supaplex | =P on you ibot |
| 07:09.40 | Sargun | uh, is it a bad idea making an infinite loop with phones? |
| 07:37.54 | findlay | no, it's actually encouraged |
| 07:38.18 | findlay | so when people call each other the gossip just gets amplified by a feedback function |
| 07:39.11 | findlay | all I know is it gets up to 307 K during the day |
| 07:39.40 | findlay | I don't care what that is in other measuration scales because they are wrong |
| 07:39.55 | findlay | Kelvin is the one, true temperature scale |
| 07:40.30 | findlay | and you don't have to worry about that silly, superfluous degree thing either |
| 07:56.07 | Sargun | oh shiza. |
| 08:02.41 | findlay | out, out brief candle |
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| 14:55.19 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 14:55.20 | ibot | strangles mrpull with a doohicky mouse cord |
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| 15:20.58 | ^Migs^ | I'm holding a stack of job applications in my hand. Some of these people really need to work on their resumes. |
| 15:21.04 | ^Migs^ | "Objective: To obtain a full time position within your company that will allow me to utilize my skills." |
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| 15:25.10 | unum_ | herlo: pong |
| 15:25.19 | maquis | ^Migs^: nice |
| 15:28.32 | decripto2 | morning all |
| 15:29.34 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Every time I've participated in the hiring process, it has amazed me. |
| 15:29.46 | Tene | sjansen: howso? |
| 15:30.08 | sjansen | If you don't have 20+ years of experience, you don't merit a 3 page resume. |
| 15:30.34 | sjansen | If you can't be bothered to use spell checker, why did you bother sending me your resume? |
| 15:30.35 | ^Migs^ | oh gosh, I know |
| 15:30.46 | Tene | What sort of things do they put on those three pages? |
| 15:30.54 | ^Migs^ | gibberish. Whitespace. |
| 15:31.02 | decripto2 | fluf |
| 15:31.08 | ^Migs^ | no resume should be more than 2 pages |
| 15:31.10 | decripto2 | to make them look good |
| 15:31.12 | sjansen | Don't bother lying, you'll be revealed in the interview and you'll be doomed. If your honest, however, and demonstrate an ability to learn I might be willing to teach you. |
| 15:31.14 | ^Migs^ | I do everything I can to keep mine to 1, but it's hard |
| 15:31.15 | decripto2 | if even 1 |
| 15:31.30 | maquis | lol |
| 15:31.33 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 15:31.38 | sjansen | I could keep going, but time to teach. |
| 15:31.45 | ^Migs^ | last year we actually hired a girl who knew next to nothing about computers, but she's sharp and she learned VERY quickly |
| 15:31.53 | decripto2 | I hate when people say they have done more than they have you can almost always tell with linux stuff |
| 15:32.09 | ^Migs^ | that's easy. Just ask them a few questions. |
| 15:32.15 | decripto2 | yup |
| 15:32.16 | ^Migs^ | liars are easy to expose |
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| 15:32.30 | maquis | if the interviewer, in preparation for a question, asks you whether you have ever played chess, don't say "yes", then reveal that you have no idea what chess is when the next question relates to chess |
| 15:32.32 | decripto2 | I love that people put I have linux experience and all they did was talk one class |
| 15:32.49 | maquis | if you don't know about chess, i have other questions i can ask |
| 15:33.15 | decripto2 | s/talk/take/ |
| 15:33.17 | maquis | i'm just trying to make sure you're familiar with the background concepts |
| 15:34.00 | ^Migs^ | I'm always upfront about my strengths and weaknesses |
| 15:34.07 | maquis | ^Migs^: good |
| 15:34.15 | maquis | it really irks me |
| 15:34.16 | ^Migs^ | I try to direct the interview more toward my strengths, though |
| 15:34.21 | ^Migs^ | yeah, me too |
| 15:34.22 | maquis | ok... question for you guys |
| 15:34.32 | ^Migs^ | which is why I was initially annoyed when we hired "new guy" here |
| 15:34.35 | maquis | if a candidate has 4 interviews in a row |
| 15:34.50 | ^Migs^ | because I think it was clear he exaggerated in his interview, although now I'm thinking it might've been my boss's fault |
| 15:34.51 | maquis | and 2 interviewers ask the same question |
| 15:35.16 | maquis | should the candidate tell the second interviewer that they've already gotten that question today? |
| 15:35.24 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 15:35.29 | ^Migs^ | what would be the point? |
| 15:35.38 | ^Migs^ | you just come across as a smart alek |
| 15:35.42 | maquis | ^Migs^: interesting |
| 15:35.42 | decripto2 | plus was the person listening or not |
| 15:35.58 | maquis | decripto2: these are completely separate interviwes |
| 15:36.08 | ^Migs^ | why would the second interviewer care if this other interviewer asked some question? You're just wasting time. |
| 15:36.09 | maquis | the interviewers don't sit in on all of the interviews |
| 15:36.11 | decripto2 | in the same company??? |
| 15:36.26 | maquis | decripto2: yes... in teh same company |
| 15:36.32 | ^Migs^ | for the same position? |
| 15:36.35 | maquis | ^Migs^: i wasted time because i didn't know he'd already gotten the question |
| 15:36.37 | maquis | ^Migs^: yes... |
| 15:36.50 | ^Migs^ | that's weird |
| 15:36.53 | maquis | the in-house interviews here involve a full day with about 6 or 7 interviews in a row |
| 15:36.55 | decripto2 | then the interviewers should be better organized :) |
| 15:36.56 | ^Migs^ | in that case, it's probably not a big deal |
| 15:37.21 | ^Migs^ | they're not just asking you questions to get an answer. They want to see HOW you respond. |
| 15:37.35 | ^Migs^ | so no, you shouldn't have said anything. You should have just answered it again. |
| 15:37.37 | maquis | all of us in the interview loop were surprised that the candidate did *not* mention that he got the same question from 2 people |
| 15:37.50 | ^Migs^ | if I were hiring, I'd be watching how they present themselves their answers. |
| 15:38.27 | ^Migs^ | okay, I was referring to the interviewee wasting time, not the interviewer |
| 15:38.34 | maquis | personally, i think it's dishonest not to mention that the question was asked previously and to just act as if it's a brand new question |
| 15:38.42 | ^Migs^ | the interviewee bringing up that he'd already received the question |
| 15:38.57 | ^Migs^ | nonsense, but what was the question? |
| 15:39.13 | ^Migs^ | how is he supposed to know if you're all acting together or independently? |
| 15:39.35 | maquis | i don't care if he knows whether we're acting together or independently |
| 15:40.00 | ^Migs^ | the blame here lies with you, not with him. Be more organized. |
| 15:40.04 | maquis | if i got asked the same question twice, i would say "just so you know, i got this earlier. do you want me to answer again?" |
| 15:40.11 | ^Migs^ | YOU asked him the question, after all |
| 15:40.22 | ^Migs^ | if it was from the same person, sure |
| 15:40.23 | maquis | in which case the interviewer can decide whether it's worthwhile to go on |
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| 15:40.44 | ^Migs^ | but from a different person, I would instantly figure the other person would want to hear my response for himself/herself. I wouldn't even think of asking that. |
| 15:40.45 | maquis | i wasted 10 minutes on a question that i wouldn'tv'e spent any time on if i'd known it was going to get thrown out |
| 15:40.54 | ^Migs^ | what was the question? |
| 15:41.08 | maquis | just asking them to describe how they would debug a certain situation |
| 15:41.28 | maquis | (he did significantly better the second time through, but that didn't buy him anything) |
| 15:41.44 | decripto2 | so it didn't prove that he can listen and learn at all |
| 15:41.45 | decripto2 | ? |
| 15:41.53 | ^Migs^ | why can't all 4 of you just interview him at once, and stop wasting HIS time? |
| 15:41.55 | maquis | nope |
| 15:42.15 | maquis | ^Migs^: because we each are supposed to focus on different areas |
| 15:42.33 | decripto2 | then how did you end up asking the same question |
| 15:42.37 | ^Migs^ | focusing on different areas, yet you ask the same question? |
| 15:42.43 | ^Migs^ | decripto2 beat me to it :) |
| 15:42.47 | maquis | because some questions span multiple areas |
| 15:42.54 | decripto2 | the question begged to be asked |
| 15:43.08 | maquis | and the other interviewer thought the question belonged in his area, while i had it in my area |
| 15:43.24 | ^Migs^ | your company needs to get its act together, imo. Not sure why you're trying to place this imaginary blame on the poor fellow who was just trying to get through an interview and present himself professionally. |
| 15:43.58 | decripto2 | while on the hot seat |
| 15:44.33 | ^Migs^ | I sometimes get asked the same question more than once a day. I don't go "OMG, BOB ALREADY ASKED THIS. GO ASK HIM IF YOU WANT THE ANSWER KTHX" |
| 15:44.47 | maquis | ^Migs^: as to your question of why we don't just have everyone interview him at once, there's not a lot of point in pulling 6 devs out of their other work for 6 hours of the day so that they can all sit there... |
| 15:44.52 | decripto2 | I can see maquis' view to a certain point |
| 15:45.03 | maquis | ^Migs^: i'm not saying he should do it that way |
| 15:45.09 | ^Migs^ | maybe you could've all written down the questions BEFOREHAND? |
| 15:45.21 | decripto2 | I just don't think it is as big a deal, to say he is dishonest I think is a bit much |
| 15:45.29 | ^Migs^ | all I'm saying is stop making a mountain out of a molehill. He didn't do anything wrong. |
| 15:45.30 | maquis | decripto2: ok... i understand your point... |
| 15:45.44 | maquis | i just was slightly annoyed |
| 15:45.55 | ^Migs^ | okay, but be annoyed at the RIGHT party. |
| 15:46.04 | maquis | because i could've gotten more info on him rather than spending time on stuff that just got thrown out |
| 15:46.11 | ^Migs^ | after all, YOU asked him the question |
| 15:46.17 | ^Migs^ | why did it get "thrown out?" |
| 15:46.23 | decripto2 | the interviewee could have taken the sign of being asked the same question twice as a show of poor organizational skill of the company |
| 15:46.30 | ^Migs^ | especially since he did better the second time, couldn't his answer just complement his first? |
| 15:46.40 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 15:46.48 | maquis | ^Migs^: because we want to see his initial response to the question |
| 15:46.55 | ^Migs^ | as an interviewee, that would instantly diminish my view of the company |
| 15:47.40 | maquis | anyway, i was just curious what people's views of this issue were |
| 15:47.46 | maquis | since i really had never seen it before |
| 15:47.58 | decripto2 | it happened to me during an interview |
| 15:48.01 | maquis | it certainly didn't change our decision on the candidate |
| 15:48.10 | decripto2 | but I think I told them that I had had that question |
| 15:48.24 | decripto2 | and it wasn't about debugging :) |
| 15:48.25 | maquis | but it was something that i had a certain opinion on, and wanted to hear what people in here thought |
| 15:48.38 | ^Migs^ | now that I think about it, I probably would mention I'd already received the question, too |
| 15:48.44 | ^Migs^ | but then proceed to reanswer it |
| 15:48.56 | maquis | ^Migs^: that's great |
| 15:48.59 | maquis | i would've appreciated that |
| 15:49.18 | ^Migs^ | but that's just me |
| 15:49.22 | ^Migs^ | I'm still not saying he did anything wrong |
| 15:49.56 | maquis | perhaps it wasn't wrong, but it certainly wasn't helpful |
| 15:50.06 | decripto2 | if anything you'll know not to do that again :) |
| 15:50.37 | maquis | decripto2: do what again? |
| 15:50.40 | decripto2 | I would completely almost agree, it the interviewee couldn't answer it the second time then you know to toss him out |
| 15:50.46 | decripto2 | ask the same question |
| 15:51.07 | decripto2 | now you know to flip a coin for the debugging question :) |
| 15:51.23 | maquis | decripto2: that's not quite how things work around here |
| 15:51.39 | decripto2 | I just messing with you |
| 15:51.45 | decripto2 | at this point |
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| 15:51.53 | maquis | yeah |
| 15:52.23 | decripto2 | because it could really go either way, the question really is is this person even capable of doing the job, if not then it makes no difference |
| 15:52.46 | decripto2 | but I see why you would be frustrated |
| 15:53.01 | decripto2 | maybe this is more of an ethical question |
| 15:53.27 | decripto2 | what company is this for anyways |
| 15:54.04 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.36 | decripto2 | ah |
| 15:54.38 | maquis | like i said, it didn't change our decision |
| 15:54.46 | maquis | but it was something that i thought was really odd |
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| 16:04.09 | ^Migs^ | Hailu Kidane Marian was working with members of his religious group, selling religious materials door-to-door in a Northwest Miami-Dade neighborhood, when the bolt from the blue struck him down. http://tinyurl.com/2hdycd |
| 16:04.14 | brac | [kutv.com - Religious Book Seller Struck By Lightning] |
| 16:05.06 | ^Migs^ | it was a clear day, too |
| 16:05.21 | ^Migs^ | CBS Miami Meteorologist Jeff Berardelli said 'dry lightning', which can strike even when the sky is clear, can be very dangerous because victims are not expecting it and don't prepare as they might with a storm threatening. |
| 16:17.56 | sjansen | maquis: Frankly, it sounds to me like your interview process is broken. |
| 16:20.20 | dataw0lf | I'm surprised that anyone would find answering the same question twice without mentioning it from two different people dishonest |
| 16:20.35 | dataw0lf | interviewing is fairly stressful, one does not want to correct the interviewers |
| 16:20.42 | dataw0lf | I've been asked the same question twice before |
| 16:20.48 | dataw0lf | I answered it both times, without mentioning it |
| 16:24.11 | sjansen | Like others have said, I'd just take it as a sign that the interview process was disorganized. |
| 16:24.44 | sjansen | Interviewing has two goals as I see it: verify actual skill, determine social compatibility. |
| 16:25.15 | sjansen | If you want to make your interview process a technical gauntlet, make it a standardized technical gauntlet. |
| 16:25.53 | sjansen | How can you compare candidates if the iterviewers are just pulling questions out of... thin air? |
| 16:26.24 | sjansen | What's the point of multi-day marathon interviewing? |
| 16:27.32 | sjansen | I'm a big proponent of autonomy. Give a manager responsibility and get out of the way to let him or her meet the responsibility. For example, budget for salary and let the manager hire whoever. |
| 16:28.00 | sjansen | One manager, one interview. Maybe a second interview with the whole team to check cultural compatibility. |
| 16:31.27 | rsimpkins | We do group interviews. |
| 16:31.47 | rsimpkins | So we'll have 2-4 people asking questions. |
| 16:32.50 | rsimpkins | It's pretty low key though - unless you don't know what you are talking about, then you are going to be asked a bajillion follow up questions to see if you really are that stupid. ;) |
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| 16:34.10 | sjansen | ~pingflood redbeard2 |
| 16:36.45 | redbeard2 | sjansen: is aim blocked here? |
| 16:37.08 | sjansen | apparently |
| 16:37.16 | redbeard2 | tragic |
| 16:37.30 | redbeard2 | but they didn't think to block irc |
| 16:38.14 | findlay | rsimpkins: I thought if I ran /dev/sda through sort it would defragment the drive. That is the unix philosophy, yes? |
| 16:39.31 | rsimpkins | findlay: What a brilliant idea. |
| 16:40.07 | redbeard2 | findlay: dude, you're my hero. |
| 16:40.34 | rsimpkins | Okay, who here is a db2 expert? |
| 16:40.47 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 16:40.57 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: i used to use dbase iii+, does that help? |
| 16:41.02 | ^Migs^ | I use an AS400 |
| 16:41.14 | ^Migs^ | you could try #sql |
| 16:41.23 | rsimpkins | I just wanna know what I can use to load data from a comma seperated file in to a table. |
| 16:41.43 | rsimpkins | Is there a function- or do I have to write a silly script? |
| 16:42.19 | ^Migs^ | will this be occurring regularly? |
| 16:42.26 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: If it were me, I'd just use Perl. :) |
| 16:42.50 | fozzmoo | But I'm weird that way. |
| 16:43.05 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I would use perl - but most db's have a handy-dandy function that can do it super fast. |
| 16:43.07 | redbeard2 | fozzmoo: Jayce^? is that you? |
| 16:43.17 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Seeing as how I need to load 250 million rows - speed is good. |
| 16:43.48 | fozzmoo | Seems like no matter what you do, you're going to be at the mercy of the SQL interpreter. |
| 16:44.06 | Jayce^ | db2? dunno about it. |
| 16:44.31 | fozzmoo | Unless this elusive utility inserts data directly. |
| 16:44.45 | rsimpkins | I swear - you could have an entire career just around db2. It could be your whole life. |
| 16:45.00 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, many people do.. |
| 16:45.01 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: i was just noting fozzmoo's level of fanaticism today |
| 16:45.02 | rsimpkins | There is an API function to load the data, just need to find the front end to the api. |
| 16:45.04 | Jayce^ | saem with oracle. |
| 16:45.06 | fozzmoo | But unless you were running the database in some kind of super-exclusive single-user mode, I can't imagine a utility being able to bypass SQL parsing. |
| 16:45.07 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Some DBs have elusive tools that insert data directly. |
| 16:45.22 | fozzmoo | Oh look! |
| 16:45.27 | fozzmoo | It's the elusive sjansen! |
| 16:45.43 | rsimpkins | Maybe I can use sjansen to load the data. |
| 16:46.15 | sjansen | 523 Access denied. Not until you brush your teeth, bucko! |
| 16:46.24 | fozzmoo | For some reason, that makes me think of that scene from Toy Story 2: "Use your head!" "But I don't wanna use my head!" |
| 16:46.34 | rsimpkins | SJANSEN FROM /all/my/data.csv INTO TABLE hatest DELIMITED BY ',' |
| 16:47.04 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: dude be careful. do you really want sjansen to become a cannonized command? |
| 16:47.36 | redbeard2 | ~spell cannonized |
| 16:47.47 | sjansen | randomizing table...25%...50%...75%...100% |
| 16:48.06 | sjansen | randomizing schema...25%...50%...75%...100% |
| 16:48.24 | sjansen | dropping tables...25%...50%...75%...100%...105% |
| 16:48.31 | rsimpkins | 105%? |
| 16:48.38 | rsimpkins | Wow - that's pretty slick. |
| 16:48.58 | redbeard2 | i would imagine that if sjansen became canonized, it would probably perform its operation just fine, if a little abusively. especially when that command was used on a coworker's machine. |
| 16:49.24 | sjansen | Abort/Retry/Fail/Margarita? |
| 16:49.31 | beandog | lol |
| 16:49.52 | beandog | cannonade? |
| 16:50.12 | redbeard2 | whoa. cannonade sounds refreshing. |
| 16:53.35 | redbeard2 | sjansen: a favorite of mine was when i added a line to a coworker's .bashrc that said alias vi="emacs" |
| 16:53.47 | sjansen | ~punish redbeard2 |
| 16:53.47 | ibot | ACTION forces redbeard2 to install and use Windows |
| 16:53.59 | beandog | who uses vi? |
| 16:54.00 | sjansen | There's jokes, and then there's crimes against humanity. |
| 16:54.10 | neybar | that is definately in the crime category |
| 16:54.26 | redbeard2 | neybar: it was just keighvin. it's okay. |
| 16:54.38 | neybar | oh, yeah that's ok |
| 16:55.29 | redbeard2 | at least i didn't do something really fun, like: alias vi="less" |
| 16:55.43 | redbeard2 | that would be interesting to watch tho. |
| 16:55.51 | rsimpkins | LOAD FROM /raid/words.dat OF DEL INTO TABLE hatest |
| 16:55.57 | sjansen | redbeard2: Press "v" inside of less. |
| 16:56.24 | redbeard2 | sjansen: Cannot edit standard input (press RETURN) |
| 16:56.25 | rsimpkins | Of course, there are a TRILLION options to that command. |
| 16:56.34 | rsimpkins | So hopefully there are reasonable defaults. |
| 16:56.39 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, ok, for him that's allowed.. but only if you had already remapped his meta key to printscreen, or f-lock on a standard keyboard |
| 16:57.00 | sjansen | Okay, I assumed a filename. "less /etc/passwd" "v" |
| 16:57.15 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: i didn't have access to his physical machine, just to his shell account, which he foolishly left logged in on my machine. |
| 16:57.47 | Jayce^ | yeah, after that he was a lot more careful |
| 16:58.13 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: hey, he deserved it and you know it. i'm still surprised tho that he never suspected me. |
| 16:58.23 | Jayce^ | oh, no doubt on him deserving it.. |
| 16:58.40 | redbeard2 | sjansen: how much time until class starts up again? 13 minutes? |
| 16:58.49 | sjansen | 12 |
| 16:59.00 | Jayce^ | keighvin is living proof as to the importance of screen locks |
| 17:03.22 | *** join/#utah Keighvin (n=ptomlins@kei.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 17:03.27 | Keighvin | ~kill Jayce^ |
| 17:03.27 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudotachyon gun at Jayce^ |
| 17:03.33 | sjansen | Fala do diabo. |
| 17:04.32 | Jayce^ | e ele chega |
| 17:04.43 | sjansen | E aparece o rabo. |
| 17:04.52 | sjansen | ~obliterate Jayce^ |
| 17:04.58 | Jayce^ | ~mutilate sjansen |
| 17:04.58 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a carving knife and turns sjansen into confetti |
| 17:05.12 | sjansen | ~obsfucate Jayce^ |
| 17:06.52 | sjansen | ~oblivionate Jayce^ |
| 17:09.30 | goozbach | sinuhe: YAY welcome to #utah |
| 17:09.52 | goozbach | don't mind the smelly fugals, nor the funny-looking McNabbs |
| 17:10.10 | sjansen | Never ceases to amaze me. I announce 5 minutes until lecture and nobody moves. 30 seconds before, however, and usually someone walks out. |
| 17:10.39 | goozbach | sjansen: you see that too? |
| 17:10.41 | goozbach | funny! |
| 17:11.05 | goozbach | we almost had a illigetimate student here |
| 17:15.14 | sinuhe | :-P |
| 17:15.35 | sinuhe | goozbach: thank you! |
| 17:15.51 | sinuhe | Where do we know each other from, Jayce? |
| 17:16.28 | Jayce^ | sinuhe, what, you don't remember... |
| 17:16.30 | Jayce^ | this could be fun.. |
| 17:16.51 | sinuhe | Oh, dear. |
| 17:16.53 | Jayce^ | yeah, we've *never* met...... :) |
| 17:18.51 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 17:19.39 | sinuhe | My mind is going. |
| 17:20.15 | sinuhe | I'm getting old, polluted by awk code, and emacs hacking with rms, (the latter would rot anyone's mind). |
| 17:21.16 | Supaplex | I blame php ;) |
| 17:21.38 | sinuhe | php is easy to blame. |
| 17:22.35 | Jayce^ | php deserves blame |
| 17:22.46 | goozbach | ~blame php |
| 17:22.47 | ibot | ACTION blames php (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 17:22.53 | goozbach | and canada |
| 17:23.48 | Supaplex | haha yay |
| 17:23.48 | Jayce^ | and prog rock |
| 17:23.48 | Supaplex | fungus is shedding a tear right about now ;) |
| 17:23.48 | sinuhe | Canada huh? Rush is from Canada. It can't be *all* bad. |
| 17:23.48 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, did you hit him? hard? |
| 17:23.51 | Jayce^ | sinuhe, no, see my previous comment.. |
| 17:23.55 | Supaplex | Jayce^: the php bits |
| 17:23.56 | sinuhe | I did. |
| 17:24.01 | Jayce^ | double strike :) |
| 17:24.18 | Jayce^ | nope, never met you.. |
| 17:24.19 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:24.46 | sinuhe | At this rate, I'll have Lamont beat. Wait, I'm eating with Lamont tonight. Maybe I shouldn't say that... |
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| 17:26.39 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 17:26.48 | goozbach | ~seen peregrine |
| 17:27.13 | ibot | peregrine <n=david@unaffiliated/peregrine> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 346d 22h 45m 50s ago, saying: 'I installed the official wine package from stable/main. Whenever I run any Windows program, all non-Windows programs change colors. I'm not quite sure what to do about this?'. |
| 17:27.13 | sinuhe | I think I'm one of the last progressive rock fans. See what I mean by old? |
| 17:27.24 | goozbach | sinuhe: fozzmoo is Doran, they guy I was telling you about |
| 17:27.27 | Jayce^ | sinuhe, you'll be the one person at the concert? |
| 17:27.33 | goozbach | who helped with Sons of Nothing |
| 17:27.40 | Jayce^ | yeah, watch out for fozz |
| 17:27.47 | goozbach | ~seen peregrinefalcon |
| 17:27.48 | ibot | peregrinefalcon <n=lamontp@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 146d 23h 12m 17s ago, saying: 'Google can find the Linux based windows password utility floppy image for you. Works great.'. |
| 17:28.03 | sinuhe | jayce: the concert sold out the first week (at least all the good seats) |
| 17:29.14 | Jayce^ | sinuhe, too bad you don't know anybody who has a wife with 'ins' in the local concert scene.. pretty good at helping find tickets.. |
| 17:29.31 | sinuhe | heh |
| 17:30.34 | goozbach | lamont hasn't been in this channel for over a half year, I think you're safe sinuhe |
| 17:31.10 | sinuhe | Word travels... |
| 17:31.38 | sinuhe | Not to be confused with MS Word which has a different sense of travel (where do you want to crash today?). |
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| 17:36.16 | herlo | unum: read my pm |
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| 17:37.54 | mheath | Morning everyone |
| 17:38.01 | mheath | though, close to being afternoon, I guess |
| 17:41.44 | unum | herlo: are you not seeing mine |
| 17:42.10 | unum | oh |
| 17:42.31 | unum | hmm |
| 17:42.34 | unum | I responded |
| 17:42.42 | herlo | unum: are you sure you've identified? |
| 17:43.13 | unum | forgot after I reconnected |
| 17:43.35 | herlo | aye |
| 17:44.43 | unum | it was sending me all sort of errors on my status screen |
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| 17:45.38 | mheath | who would I talk to about that? |
| 17:45.45 | mheath | anyone here involved in organizing the thing? |
| 17:46.15 | Sargun | Is it bad when your program uses 1G of ram? |
| 17:46.43 | Sargun | and MySQL is using 30% of the processor |
| 17:46.53 | Sargun | and your program is using 70% |
| 17:46.54 | mheath | I'm installing Debian GNU/Hurd in a bit, if anyone is interested in a shell account let me know. |
| 17:47.37 | sinuhe | mheath: I might be. I haven't used Hurd since 0.2 (I tried out k8 at one point, but not long enough to test) |
| 17:48.33 | mheath | I love the Hurd. I'm trying to work up to a point in programming skill and familiarity that I can contribute and help fix things. |
| 17:48.40 | unum | cool |
| 17:48.43 | mheath | It's a wonderful system, but is (at the moment) somewhat limited. |
| 17:48.46 | unum | I haven't looked at in a while |
| 17:49.00 | mheath | Translators are the coolest operating system idea I've ever heard of. |
| 17:49.23 | unum | I joined the dev list |
| 17:49.30 | Sargun | haha, this is a AMD64 X2 (4800+) and I'm using 1.5 for a stupid database! |
| 17:49.49 | Sargun | and 3.36 Ghz for a stupid script! |
| 17:52.20 | Supaplex | sounds stupid |
| 17:52.25 | Sargun | ~1022+320+32+12 |
| 17:52.26 | ibot | 1386 |
| 17:52.50 | mheath | Supaplex: what does? Sargun? Or Translators? :P |
| 17:52.52 | Sargun | ~1386-1337 |
| 17:52.53 | ibot | 49 |
| 17:52.56 | sinuhe | The Hurd is great, but deficient in hardware support. They keep talking about using l4. |
| 17:56.45 | Sargun | Just run it ontop of Linux. |
| 17:56.50 | Sargun | :-P |
| 17:56.58 | Sargun | better yet! Windows! |
| 17:58.53 | mheath | sinuhe: l4 would be better in that L4 would provide a better way of hardware support |
| 17:59.00 | mheath | Hardware support could be entirely userland with a L4 based systme |
| 17:59.01 | Supaplex | I want dos support ;) |
| 17:59.12 | mheath | wereas mach requires some kerelland support |
| 17:59.19 | sinuhe | I don't think rms is willing to give up on GNU Mach yet. |
| 17:59.32 | Sargun | he will never |
| 17:59.41 | Sargun | until he dies... |
| 17:59.46 | sinuhe | Part of the problem is some developer shuffling. Apparently, there was a political spat between the head hurd developer and FSF. |
| 18:00.07 | mheath | Not that I know of. |
| 18:00.08 | sinuhe | Not over design, but over the developer bad mouthing GNU. |
| 18:00.20 | mheath | The Hurd just has trouble maintaing developers |
| 18:00.31 | sinuhe | There's a new maintainer now. |
| 18:00.34 | mheath | Their developers are usually excellent, but theres only like 5 really active good developers. |
| 18:01.02 | mheath | sinuhe: well, yeah, Roland isn't main maintainer anymore...But that was yeeeears ago. |
| 18:01.32 | sinuhe | I'm not referring to Roland. I'm talking in the last year or so. |
| 18:02.04 | mheath | AMS kinda got kicked out for a bit, if I remember, because he was being an annoying biggot. |
| 18:02.19 | sinuhe | It's been a few months since I read the mailing list logs, so I don't remember the exact details. |
| 18:02.28 | mheath | Hmm, I need to find a place for this computer |
| 18:02.36 | mheath | Don't think I can just leave it sitting here in the middle of the floor. |
| 18:03.32 | Supaplex | wrap it in a zootsuit and toss it on the ceiling ;) |
| 18:08.07 | sjansen | ~greet sinuhe |
| 18:08.08 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on sinuhe |
| 18:08.29 | sinuhe | Gee... |
| 18:09.02 | sinuhe | ...was that apple cinnamon? |
| 18:09.29 | Tene | ~lart sinuhe |
| 18:09.29 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to sinuhe, and goes postal |
| 18:09.47 | sjansen | More importantly, does this mark a new trend for GL? For we convert #utah members to gurus, now we turn gurus into #utah members? |
| 18:10.06 | sjansen | s/For/First/ |
| 18:10.09 | sinuhe | It appears to be a new trend. |
| 18:10.10 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:10.30 | findlay | ~lart girls |
| 18:10.30 | ibot | beats girls severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 18:10.42 | sjansen | ~welcome findlay |
| 18:10.43 | ibot | Welcome to the party, findlay! |
| 18:10.51 | Sargun | findlay,why? |
| 18:10.55 | findlay | stupid imagemagick |
| 18:11.00 | findlay | s/image/b0rken/ |
| 18:11.24 | findlay | Sargun: because |
| 18:11.57 | findlay | girls do weird things |
| 18:12.59 | ^Migs^ | soon #utah and gurus will be indistinguishable! |
| 18:13.43 | mheath | ah, another Guru |
| 18:13.51 | mheath | I'm going to end up the only non-Guru here |
| 18:14.20 | mheath | I wish I could get a job at GL though =\ |
| 18:14.39 | beandog | mheath: GNUru? |
| 18:14.41 | beandog | thats great! |
| 18:14.43 | beandog | \o/ |
| 18:14.45 | sinuhe | Groan. Are you on any GNU Projects mehath? |
| 18:14.54 | ^Migs^ | I'm not becoming a Guru anytime soon, mheath |
| 18:14.57 | sinuhe | doh: s/eh/he/ |
| 18:15.00 | ^Migs^ | I'm too much of a noob |
| 18:15.07 | mheath | sinuhe: I've contributed some to GNU Mach and Hurd in the past. |
| 18:15.51 | sinuhe | I'm not up to the kernel hacking point just yet. Maybe once I've got through the RH courses. |
| 18:16.23 | sinuhe | (i.e. I'll work on that when I have time to think about it) |
| 18:16.38 | mheath | I tend to make a lot of personal patches and such that would never make it into the upstream |
| 18:17.58 | sjansen | Patch 4279: Use the PC speaker to make a farting sound whenever a login fails. |
| 18:18.17 | ^Migs^ | my wife got me this for my birthday: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/8dde/ |
| 18:18.21 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Scrolling LED License Plate Frame] |
| 18:18.35 | mheath | sjansen: I'd have to write a patch for sound support for the Hurd first. |
| 18:18.41 | sjansen | Patch 4386: Automatically blacklist any IM trying to connect to an SMB/CIFS port. |
| 18:18.55 | sjansen | s/IM/IP/ |
| 18:20.06 | mheath | OK, be back in a bit. |
| 18:20.07 | sjansen | Patch 4521: Reverse video every Halloween. |
| 18:20.19 | mheath | lmao |
| 18:21.22 | QBFreak | ^Migs^: too bad the remote is IR, I guess there's not sending messages with it while driving |
| 18:25.53 | Sargun | why not? |
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| 18:38.08 | sjansen | Heh. Apple is working on an iPhone/Nano hybrid. |
| 18:38.25 | sjansen | I want to see an iPhone/Shuffle hybrid. |
| 18:38.50 | sjansen | No dialing buttons, just turn it on an dial random friens until you reach one you want to talk to. |
| 18:39.20 | sjansen | *sigh* Sepll chekinn iz fur chumps. |
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| 18:43.52 | sjansen | ~crush TimRiker |
| 18:43.53 | ibot | ACTION crushes TimRiker with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:43.57 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:44.13 | Lakshmi__ | sarguns alive? |
| 18:44.15 | Sargun | no. |
| 18:44.20 | Sargun | everyone Hide! |
| 18:44.24 | Sargun | I'm not here! |
| 18:45.11 | Lakshmi__ | heh.. why not ? |
| 18:59.11 | mrpull | http://www.jclw.com/wiki/index.php?title=R.C._Collins#Later_R.C. |
| 18:59.24 | mrpull | [mild language warning] |
| 19:00.18 | mrpull | i love this R.C. Collins kid |
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| 19:12.25 | mheath | mrpull: thats awesome. |
| 19:12.52 | mrpull | phil hendrie is good entertainment |
| 19:13.10 | mrpull | i wish he was still on utah radio at drive time |
| 19:13.22 | mrpull | maybe a podcast subscription will be available on his new network |
| 19:13.30 | mrpull | mheath: ever hear him? |
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| 19:14.41 | dataw0lf | phil hendrie is a bit of a nut |
| 19:15.14 | mrpull | dataw0lf: that is part of the fun |
| 19:15.30 | goozbach | mrpull: his website http://www.philhendireshow.com podcasts his new show |
| 19:15.32 | brac | [philhendireshow.com] |
| 19:15.34 | dataw0lf | I like how he's pulling people's leg by saying he's a Bush supporter though. |
| 19:15.50 | goozbach | you have to have a backstage pass however |
| 19:16.01 | goozbach | dataw0lf: ever visit georgewbushisgod.com ? |
| 19:16.07 | dataw0lf | goozbach: yea |
| 19:16.10 | goozbach | it's phil's old blog about that topic |
| 19:16.11 | dataw0lf | it's awesome |
| 19:16.45 | mrpull | goozbach: ah cool. i got the impression that the old site would die with the old (pre-trn) show |
| 19:17.17 | goozbach | aparently the blog is now gone |
| 19:18.17 | mrpull | you can listen live on the trn site |
| 19:18.21 | mrpull | but it is the middle of the night now |
| 19:20.08 | goozbach | that's hell of late on the east coast |
| 19:28.14 | mrpull | i'd pay five bucks a month to have a PHS feed in itunes |
| 19:28.29 | mrpull | but if i have to download it manually, it probably isn't worth it |
| 19:29.03 | mrpull | maybe it'd be a good exercise to write a script to download the stream and wrap it in an RSS feed |
| 19:29.31 | goozbach | maybe it was on the trn site that I saw it |
| 19:31.09 | mrpull | trn has podcasts for savage, but so far i don't see anything for PHS |
| 19:32.32 | mheath | wow |
| 19:32.38 | mheath | some idiot posting to one of the Hurd mailing lists |
| 19:32.52 | Supaplex | only one? |
| 19:32.55 | mheath | Written like 8 different interrelated threads, all by himself, in the period of like an hour. |
| 19:32.58 | herlo | mrpull: I am savage |
| 19:33.14 | mheath | "MAKEDEV kills everything (including the filesystem)" |
| 19:33.22 | sinuhe | mheath Someone with too much time on his/her hands. Sounds typical of GNU. |
| 19:33.22 | mheath | "strange behavior of HURD(was: MAKEDEV kills everything)" |
| 19:33.24 | herlo | mrpull: really, that's my last name - Savage |
| 19:33.29 | mheath | And he's the only one who's posted in both topics |
| 19:33.39 | mheath | renames his own threads for no reason...grr.. |
| 19:33.51 | mrpull | herlo: that isn't too common of a last name |
| 19:34.13 | herlo | but not the talk show host, luckily |
| 19:34.18 | mrpull | is the radio guy's last name really savage or is it a stage name? |
| 19:34.28 | sinuhe | mheath: Now that just sounds ignorant. |
| 19:34.46 | mheath | oh, no |
| 19:34.47 | mheath | you missed |
| 19:34.52 | mheath | what GRUB options for HURD installation ? |
| 19:34.53 | mheath | and |
| 19:34.57 | mheath | GRUB options for HURD installation |
| 19:35.01 | mheath | (those are duplicates of each other |
| 19:35.17 | mrpull | wikipedia says Michael Savage is a stagename |
| 19:35.19 | mheath | and "which HURD tarball ?? |
| 19:35.25 | mrpull | Michael Alan Weiner |
| 19:35.38 | mheath | "and "MAKEDEV kills everything (including the filesystem" |
| 19:35.39 | sinuhe | So ignorant *and* antisocial? |
| 19:35.43 | mrpull | the real Mike Savage (herlo's dad) is safe |
| 19:35.44 | mheath | "GRUB install question for HURD" |
| 19:35.56 | mheath | "strage behavior of HURD (was: MAKEDEV kills everything)" |
| 19:35.58 | mrpull | is hurd really worth working on these days? |
| 19:36.06 | mheath | mrpull: Quite. |
| 19:36.20 | Jayce^ | mrpull, it's a great way to waste time :) |
| 19:36.31 | mheath | mrpull: people who talk down on Hurd are usually people who know nothing about it aside from reading some sensationalist news article about how its old and doesn't work. |
| 19:37.11 | sinuhe | Yes: hurd is worth it. I would say it's better than my beloved BSD if the Hurd hackers would get around to keeping it up to date. |
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| 19:37.21 | mheath | I've talked to a lot of people who are convinced that it doesn't even boot, never has, and never will. |
| 19:37.33 | mheath | I used to reply by giving them a link to a webpage hosted on my old Hurd server :P |
| 19:37.49 | sinuhe | There you go. |
| 19:37.57 | sinuhe | How's the sound work coming? |
| 19:38.03 | herlo | mrpull: that's good. I didn't know it was a stage name. But I'd change my last name too if it iwere Weiner |
| 19:38.05 | Jayce^ | sinuhe, from dead to deader? :) |
| 19:38.18 | sinuhe | Now, now... :-) |
| 19:38.24 | mheath | sinuhe: unfortunately, I think Jayce^ is somewhat right in that regard |
| 19:38.33 | mheath | Hardware support is tricky |
| 19:38.56 | sinuhe | Yeah, well, that's been the problem for about a decade, hasn't it? Funny, that, being a kernel and all... |
| 19:39.15 | mheath | Because people seem devided between trying to wait for the L4 implementation, which doesn't seem to ever be coming, and implementing it in a not-as-good way on Mach |
| 19:39.43 | sinuhe | I've heard there are some problems creeping up with L4 as well. |
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| 19:39.58 | sinuhe | s/heard/hurd[?]/ |
| 19:40.12 | mheath | Jayce^: I wanted to give a presentation on the Hurd at UTOSC, but apparently missed the deadline for presentation submissions while I was still not living here. |
| 19:40.20 | findlay | someday we'll be able to run perl6 on GNU/Hurd |
| 19:40.47 | findlay | and then sjansen will be satisfied |
| 19:40.51 | Jayce^ | hey, if I can run it in a browser that's not hard :) |
| 19:41.15 | mheath | findlay: I wonder if Perl does work...probably not fully...hmm |
| 19:41.35 | mheath | Perl5 seems to work |
| 19:41.47 | findlay | then comes the End of All Things |
| 19:41.55 | findlay | and the world will pass away |
| 19:42.17 | mheath | actually |
| 19:42.23 | findlay | duke nukem never to materialize |
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| 19:42.37 | mheath | Heres a thing saying that the Perl 5.005_62 test suite only had two minor errors |
| 19:42.39 | findlay | for it will be thrust into Outer Darkness |
| 19:43.20 | mheath | well, the network stuff can fail unless you have at least a dummy pfinet translator setup |
| 19:43.25 | mheath | Thats just because of the nature of a Hurd |
| 19:43.42 | mheath | without a network translator you literally have no network support...no network stack, etc. |
| 19:43.42 | goozbach | just wait until duke nukem forever runs on the phantom console,using perl6 as it's scripting language, and hurd as it's kernel |
| 19:43.59 | mheath | Again, I love it. |
| 19:44.19 | mheath | A really good concept is utterly crushed because of retarded notions. |
| 19:44.29 | mheath | OMG! SLASHDOT SAID HURD IS BROKEN! IT DOESN'T BOOT! IT MUST BE TRUE! |
| 19:44.34 | mheath | HEHE, HURD IS LIKE DUKE NUKEM! |
| 19:45.51 | mheath | It's like those reports that Microsoft keeps publishing about how Windows is so obviously vastly superior to Linux. |
| 19:45.54 | findlay | I, for one, welcome our new hurd/perl6 mheath overlord |
| 19:45.55 | dataw0lf | uh, because it still hasn't be officially released |
| 19:46.05 | dataw0lf | been* |
| 19:46.08 | mheath | dataw0lf: There has been releases O.o |
| 19:46.23 | dataw0lf | THAT is why goozbach compared it to duke nukem, the phantom console, and perl 6 |
| 19:46.31 | mheath | dataw0lf: Uh, there has been releases. |
| 19:46.37 | dataw0lf | there have been releases, but it's still not officially released |
| 19:46.40 | dataw0lf | and still not production raedy |
| 19:46.47 | mheath | Theres even very regular releases of a GNU/Hurd based system, Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 19:46.48 | dataw0lf | s/raedy/ready/ |
| 19:47.07 | mheath | dataw0lf: there have been official releases. |
| 19:47.13 | dataw0lf | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html#status |
| 19:47.14 | brac | [The GNU Hurd - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)] |
| 19:47.33 | dataw0lf | "On the negative side, the support for character devices (like sound cards) and other hardware is mostly missing. Although the POSIX interface is provided, some additional interfaces like POSIX shared memory or semaphores are still under development." |
| 19:47.41 | dataw0lf | it's not usable for anything but hobbyists |
| 19:47.52 | mheath | dataw0lf: I didn't say anything about being ready for true production use |
| 19:47.56 | mheath | I said it has been released |
| 19:48.04 | mheath | That page you linked to even talks about "the last release" |
| 19:48.05 | dataw0lf | Stallman was blowing it's horn in 2002 |
| 19:48.17 | dataw0lf | Stallman is still saying that it's not ready for official release |
| 19:48.31 | mheath | Of course its not. |
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| 19:48.39 | dataw0lf | the only reason it's still alive is because of debian |
| 19:48.45 | dataw0lf | someone should just bury it |
| 19:48.49 | dataw0lf | it's a living corpse |
| 19:48.58 | dataw0lf | and annoying when people like you bring it up |
| 19:49.04 | mheath | dataw0lf: You don't like the idea of translators? Or the security model? |
| 19:49.12 | mheath | I'm still convinced that translators are the coolest concept. |
| 19:49.13 | herlo | zombie process!! |
| 19:49.15 | dataw0lf | I like the idea of a Mars Mission too, mheath |
| 19:49.37 | sinuhe | rms isn't ready to abandon Hurd for Linux, because there's too many problems with Linux. In 2003 he emailed me and asked if we should branch our (GNU) own Linux kernel. |
| 19:49.39 | dataw0lf | I've watched all the fictional movies on the subject! |
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| 19:50.05 | mheath | dataw0lf: What in the world are you talking about, "kept alive by Debian"? |
| 19:50.25 | mheath | Of course it is |
| 19:50.38 | mheath | Linux wouldn't be alive if there was no software distributions or software for it |
| 19:50.42 | sinuhe | The last release from FSF was 0.2 in 1997. If it wasn't for Debian, there wouldn't be an installed Hurd (unless you wanted to build it from source). |
| 19:50.45 | mheath | Just like The Hurd is kept alive by its software distributions |
| 19:51.00 | dataw0lf | the Hurd isn't alive |
| 19:51.06 | dataw0lf | the Hurd is a living corpse |
| 19:51.08 | dataw0lf | I already said that |
| 19:51.10 | mheath | dataw0lf: Could have fooled me |
| 19:51.18 | dataw0lf | yea, with all the people using |
| 19:51.19 | dataw0lf | it |
| 19:51.26 | mheath | I'm running my local web server, e-mail server, and several other services on it |
| 19:51.31 | dataw0lf | (read: four hobbyists, and a sheep in new zealand) |
| 19:51.53 | mheath | dataw0lf: Question for you |
| 19:51.53 | sinuhe | Linux was a self proclaimed hobby. |
| 19:51.56 | findlay | gnome-screensaver is so retarded |
| 19:51.59 | sinuhe | (self by Linus) |
| 19:52.04 | mheath | Have you ever read any of the hurds technical docs? |
| 19:52.06 | mheath | Looked through its source? |
| 19:52.07 | mheath | Run it? |
| 19:52.07 | sinuhe | findlay: I agree. |
| 19:52.10 | mheath | Logged into a shell account? |
| 19:52.19 | dataw0lf | I've ran Hurd |
| 19:52.24 | dataw0lf | for all of 24 hours |
| 19:52.25 | findlay | it blanks out but without warning then it doesn't let me catch it before having to unlock the screen |
| 19:52.44 | mheath | dataw0lf: I talked my dad into running Linux for about a day |
| 19:52.45 | mheath | He hated it |
| 19:52.49 | mheath | Proclaimed it was garbage |
| 19:52.51 | mheath | HE MUST BE RIGHT! |
| 19:52.54 | mheath | IT IS GARBAGE! |
| 19:53.02 | mheath | He was right too when he said "no one must reall use taht crap!" |
| 19:53.11 | findlay | this windleblows install has been on 98% for like 5 hours |
| 19:53.24 | mheath | I love this approach |
| 19:53.34 | dataw0lf | A good idea doth not mean something is not garbage |
| 19:53.51 | mheath | "I use something different. Your software isn't as far along in development as the software I use is, therefore your software sucks in everyway possible, and it should be abandoned" |
| 19:53.55 | mheath | I love that idea |
| 19:54.04 | dataw0lf | I never said that your software sucks in every way possible |
| 19:54.09 | dataw0lf | Hurd has done some cool things |
| 19:54.13 | dataw0lf | but it's Hurd |
| 19:54.16 | mheath | dataw0lf: you said it should be abandoned |
| 19:54.17 | dataw0lf | it's barely finished |
| 19:54.21 | mheath | barely finished? |
| 19:54.27 | dataw0lf | yea, because they've made barely any progress |
| 19:54.38 | mheath | It has an almost complete POSIX implementaion. Including pthreads, now. |
| 19:54.46 | dataw0lf | oooh, pthreads |
| 19:54.52 | dataw0lf | an almost complete POSIX implementation |
| 19:54.54 | dataw0lf | see, the thing is |
| 19:55.07 | dataw0lf | if I have to get to work |
| 19:55.12 | dataw0lf | I'm going to drive the working Miata |
| 19:55.19 | dataw0lf | not the Lambourghini that I have to push the 20 miles |
| 19:56.13 | findlay | lame |
| 19:56.14 | sinuhe | BSD is still not 100% POSIX and has been around for 27 years. Hmmm...and yet it runs great. Is GNU/Linux completely POSIX compliant? |
| 19:56.20 | mheath | dataw0lf: ...Your opinion though is basically (to use your analogy), "Hybrid cars don't work as well. They're new, not as far along in development, and still have a lot of problems. Thefore, even though its a really good idea, we should abandon it." |
| 19:56.22 | findlay | lolcode on wikipedia redirects to lolcat |
| 19:56.24 | findlay | lame |
| 19:56.39 | ^Migs^ | then fix it |
| 19:56.42 | dataw0lf | mheath: people are buying and building hybrid cars |
| 19:56.57 | findlay | ^Migs^: you do it |
| 19:57.03 | findlay | you get paid way more than me |
| 19:57.05 | mheath | dataw0lf: not nearly as much as people who buy conventional cars |
| 19:57.12 | ^Migs^ | I probably don't actually |
| 19:57.12 | mheath | People are using the Hurd, just not as much as Linux |
| 19:57.14 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.19 | Jayce^ | mheath, his argument isn't against hybrid card, but against the honda insight... |
| 19:57.26 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 19:57.30 | ^Migs^ | I had a seminary teacher named Hurd |
| 19:58.14 | findlay | http://lolcode.com/ |
| 19:58.29 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: yea? was she / he half finished too? |
| 19:58.32 | sinuhe | goozbach mentioned a city that bought 2,000 cars (or some similar number) that were hybrid. However, since there wasn't anything but petrol available, they found that the hybrid cars were less enviro friendly in actual use. Very funny. |
| 19:59.01 | mheath | dataw0lf: I'll tell you what. I'll continue to work on, and use better ideas, while you call for their abandonment because something else works better this second. |
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| 19:59.28 | dataw0lf | mheath: sounds like a plan! |
| 19:59.33 | findlay | ~plan |
| 19:59.36 | ibot | plans are for sissies |
| 19:59.41 | dataw0lf | at least the Hurd can't kick you out... |
| 19:59.45 | Jayce^ | if you factor in total lifetime costs, including material disposal/etc, then a Prius is actually *more* expensive and has more enviromental impact than a h2.. |
| 19:59.47 | mheath | ..... |
| 20:00.11 | findlay | .?!.?! |
| 20:00.16 | mheath | STFU, dataw0lf |
| 20:00.25 | mheath | I DIDN'T SAY CRAP TO ANYONE. I DIDN'T WINE. |
| 20:00.36 | mheath | I TOLD MY DAD I WAS HAVING SOME TROUBLE WITH DEPRESSION, AND HE CALLS THE FREAKIN COMMAND |
| 20:00.47 | Jayce^ | ?? |
| 20:00.49 | dataw0lf | WHINE* |
| 20:00.58 | mheath | NEXT THING I KNOW, I"M BEING KCIKED OUT BECAUSE SOME STUPID DOCTOR LIES ON HIS REPORT AND WRITES A NEGATIVE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BEFORE HE EVEN MEETS WITH ME. |
| 20:01.10 | dataw0lf | KICKED* |
| 20:01.38 | Jayce^ | you mean /kicked? lol |
| 20:01.42 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 20:01.55 | mheath | I HAD A SUCCESSFUL CAREER, UP TO THAT POINT. I WAS ONE OF THE TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE MOST ACADMEICALLY RIGEROUS PROGRAM IN THE MILITARY. |
| 20:02.06 | dataw0lf | ACADEMICALLY* RIGOROUS* |
| 20:02.13 | findlay | man, I hate girls |
| 20:02.18 | mheath | MY KNEE WAS BUGGING ME, BUT I WAS WORKING MY BUTT OFF, DESPITE LOTS OF PAIN, SO I COULD PASS THE PFA AND STAY IN. |
| 20:02.23 | Jayce^ | findlay, we know.. |
| 20:02.29 | dataw0lf | findlay: why's that? |
| 20:02.33 | mheath | So SHUT UP and stop giving me crap about getting kicked out |
| 20:02.36 | findlay | Jayce^: really? Should I tell you again? |
| 20:02.44 | mheath | it was the WORST EVENT IN MY ENTIRE LIFE |
| 20:02.48 | mheath | THANKS FOR RUBBING IT IN MY FACE! |
| 20:02.50 | dataw0lf | give it some time |
| 20:02.58 | JoshH | that is odd, according to the media troops with severe psychological issues are being sent back to the war pretty regularly |
| 20:03.09 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 20:03.18 | JoshH | maybe the navy cares more about sanity |
| 20:03.21 | findlay | dataw0lf: going to take some lot of time this time :| |
| 20:03.27 | mheath | JoshH: theres a difference between troops going to Iraq and a student at NNPTC. |
| 20:03.46 | dataw0lf | I had a severe event in the military, went to psych eval, while I was in Iraq. |
| 20:03.52 | dataw0lf | they told me to drink water and suck it up |
| 20:04.02 | JoshH | right, i'm just saying it's interesting that mental problems could be treated so much differently in different parts of the military |
| 20:04.16 | dataw0lf | findlay: huh. I didn't catch that. |
| 20:04.16 | mheath | dataw0lf: Yeah, I told the doc I was fine, wanted to stay in, and was doing OK |
| 20:04.27 | *** part/#utah {phoenyx} (n=tthorley@64.147.152.13) |
| 20:04.51 | mheath | The doc printed off a pretyped two page report saying I was "imminently suicidal", that I "refused to contract for safety" and that I would be a "risk to mysefl and others if I was retained", implying I was homicidal. |
| 20:04.52 | dataw0lf | mheath: Yea, I don't really care. I just like making fun of you because of your attitude after you got kicked out the first time. |
| 20:05.14 | dataw0lf | I really have... absolutely... no sympathy. so don't waste your breath. |
| 20:05.31 | dataw0lf | back to how much HURD sucks |
| 20:05.33 | findlay | dataw0lf: you said 'give it some time'. I wasn't sure who you were talking to, but you're right :) |
| 20:05.51 | dataw0lf | findlay: oh, hehe, I was talking to mheath about the WORST EVENT IN HIS LIFE |
| 20:05.56 | mheath | dataw0lf: I'm jusy saying, stop rubbing the worst event of my life in my face, because I didn't do anything. I had messed up docs, and an overprotective father. |
| 20:06.03 | dataw0lf | findlay: but, yes, give it some time applies in that situation too ;) |
| 20:06.19 | dataw0lf | mheath: /ignore |
| 20:06.24 | dataw0lf | I thought you had me on /ignore |
| 20:08.03 | mheath | I did. Now I remember why. Everything you say pisses me off in a way you can't possibly imagine. |
| 20:08.23 | dataw0lf | your very presence gives me that feeling every day, I can imagine. |
| 20:09.01 | dataw0lf | I actually want to rip my hair out and eat my keyboard for every ... comment ... you ... make. |
| 20:09.02 | ^Migs^ | I thought I was the only one who pissed everyone off. |
| 20:09.07 | findlay | wow, windows is 'installing devices' hehe |
| 20:09.19 | ^Migs^ | maybe it'll give you an iPhone |
| 20:09.21 | dataw0lf | findlay: is it seating the cards by itself?! |
| 20:09.41 | dataw0lf | I need a robotic computer |
| 20:09.45 | dataw0lf | someone get me the all spark |
| 20:10.00 | mheath | You're a snobbish, arrogant, insensitive bigot. |
| 20:10.04 | tensai | ^Migs^: you'll just have to try for the Person Who Pisses Everyone Off Most award |
| 20:10.16 | ^Migs^ | who? me? |
| 20:10.27 | mheath | No. |
| 20:10.37 | dataw0lf | check, check, check, I don't know about the bigot part though |
| 20:10.43 | dataw0lf | I have black and gay friends! |
| 20:11.09 | dataw0lf | I'm a mheathophobe |
| 20:13.53 | findlay | now windows wants me to enter this stupid code |
| 20:13.55 | findlay | ? |
| 20:14.14 | findlay | who invented this porgram? |
| 20:17.24 | dataw0lf | I'd say Satan, but Steve Jobs already does well in that role |
| 20:20.01 | mheath | I am going to fill out a Application for the Review of Discharge from the Armed Forces of the United States |
| 20:20.46 | mheath | Hey, anyone know any good Northern Utah pyschologists/psychiatrists (I always forget the difference)....I've had a bad experience with these types in the past, but want someone who can do a good evaluation on me. |
| 20:20.54 | dataw0lf | you have to serve a certain length of time to get a honorable discharge |
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| 20:22.09 | decripto2 | this again |
| 20:22.29 | decripto2 | man we've got to be really really really bored here and nothing new happening in the linux world |
| 20:22.36 | mheath | dataw0lf: no, you don't. |
| 20:22.54 | mheath | I was honorably discharged. I'm looking for them to change the narrative reason for separation |
| 20:23.13 | dataw0lf | YOU WERE HONORABLY DISCHARGED? |
| 20:23.19 | mheath | Mainly so I don't have to give employers a DD-214 saying I was discharged for a Personality Disorder. |
| 20:23.21 | dataw0lf | Man |
| 20:23.31 | dataw0lf | the military really is destroying itself |
| 20:23.55 | mheath | dataw0lf: Yeah, thats what they do for people with excellent evals, who preform their duties well, and are spoken of highly by their supervisors. |
| 20:24.16 | dataw0lf | my buddy who broke his leg in PATHFINDER TRAINING got an entry level sep |
| 20:24.34 | mheath | dataw0lf: yeah, most branches, if your in < 6 months its ELS |
| 20:24.40 | mheath | I was ELS'd from the Marine Corps |
| 20:24.46 | mheath | but I was in for > 6 months in the Navy |
| 20:24.50 | dataw0lf | you should've been ELS'd from the Navy |
| 20:24.56 | dataw0lf | you didn't even complete training |
| 20:25.14 | mheath | dataw0lf: I would have been in for 2 years before completing my training. |
| 20:25.20 | dataw0lf | so what? |
| 20:25.34 | mheath | dataw0lf: ELS means your supervisors haven't observed enough of you to chategorize your service. |
| 20:25.40 | dataw0lf | I had 8 months of training |
| 20:26.06 | dataw0lf | I assure you, my buddy was observed enough |
| 20:26.12 | dataw0lf | we weren't going to class in training |
| 20:26.19 | dataw0lf | we didn't have parent - teacher conferences |
| 20:26.35 | mheath | What? You're implying we did? |
| 20:26.36 | dataw0lf | it wasn't like elementary school with uniforms |
| 20:26.42 | dataw0lf | your dad DID call, didn't he? |
| 20:27.07 | mheath | dataw0lf: He called the duty officer at two O'clock in the morning to tell them I was suicidal. |
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| 20:27.42 | dataw0lf | right, parent teacher conference |
| 20:27.51 | dataw0lf | honorable discharge |
| 20:27.57 | dataw0lf | I think I may actually EAT this keyboard |
| 20:28.00 | dataw0lf | anyone got butter? |
| 20:30.14 | findlay | lame |
| 20:30.23 | rsimpkins | Is there a PLUG tomorrow. |
| 20:30.32 | rsimpkins | I am guessing there is, but I'm not sure on the details. |
| 20:30.34 | findlay | I wonder what would happen if I installed ubuntu on this guy's laptop? |
| 20:30.57 | rsimpkins | findlay: Tell him Ubuntu is a version of Vista. ;) |
| 20:30.59 | dataw0lf | set it up so it looks like Windows |
| 20:31.08 | findlay | windows is refusing my carefully entered |
| 20:31.14 | findlay | 'product key; |
| 20:31.18 | findlay | s/;/'/ |
| 20:31.30 | mheath | findlay: Windows Vista? |
| 20:31.31 | findlay | lameo |
| 20:31.41 | findlay | mheath: xp |
| 20:31.49 | findlay | xtra pernicious |
| 20:31.55 | tensai | findlay: you sure you didn't get ripped off? where'd you get this vista from? |
| 20:31.57 | mheath | findlay: Are you sure you installed the correct version (Home/Pro?) |
| 20:32.03 | findlay | no |
| 20:32.17 | *** part/#utah {phoenyx} (n=tthorley@64.147.152.13) |
| 20:32.18 | findlay | there are few things in this world I care little about |
| 20:32.39 | findlay | in th bottom of that list is whether I slammed the right windows CD in the tray |
| 20:32.48 | findlay | windows is windows is windows |
| 20:32.59 | findlay | just get the GUI up on the screen and the customers are happy |
| 20:34.00 | mrpull | findlay: as much as you promote FLOSS, you don't care about getting proprietary licensed software right? |
| 20:34.21 | findlay | mrpull: not really |
| 20:34.33 | mrpull | findlay: how do you like when MS ignores FLOSS licenses? |
| 20:34.42 | mrpull | findlay: don't you have to play nice on both sides of the argument? |
| 20:35.11 | findlay | mrpull: I'm not in much of a mood to play nice today, especially with windows :-) |
| 20:35.30 | findlay | besides MS eula's are way more nefarious than the GPL |
| 20:35.36 | mrpull | you are generally more logical (with the exception of your views of girls) than that :) |
| 20:35.54 | mrpull | mheath: 1-800-dr-laura |
| 20:35.58 | mheath | mrpull: ..... |
| 20:35.59 | findlay | haha |
| 20:36.07 | mrpull | she has a son in the service |
| 20:36.10 | mrpull | she'll understand |
| 20:36.24 | dataw0lf | I wonder if there's "speed psychiatry" like speed dating |
| 20:36.49 | mheath | mrpull: ..... |
| 20:36.51 | findlay | mrpull: I guess you're right |
| 20:36.53 | dataw0lf | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crunk |
| 20:37.03 | Jayce^ | dr. laura? understanding?? *snicker* |
| 20:37.09 | dataw0lf | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crunk |
| 20:37.17 | dataw0lf | she'd tell you to drink water and suck it up |
| 20:37.20 | mheath | Wow, mrpull is just as much of a jackass as dataw0lf. Who would have thought? |
| 20:37.28 | Jayce^ | I know a good trauma shrink... :) |
| 20:37.29 | ^Migs^ | wtf, my computer is making sporadic hissy noises |
| 20:37.39 | dataw0lf | Perhaps, mheath, tis you that is the jacka**. |
| 20:37.50 | findlay | ^Migs^: take it to the computer doctor? |
| 20:38.01 | ^Migs^ | the hard drive better not fail on me |
| 20:38.14 | mheath | dataw0lf: Nope. |
| 20:38.23 | dataw0lf | if you smell a bad smell, you don't accuse the people around you. You check your self first. |
| 20:38.28 | dataw0lf | smell underneath your arms mheath |
| 20:38.56 | ^Migs^ | I stink. I need a shower. |
| 20:39.28 | findlay | me too |
| 20:40.01 | mheath | OK, dataw0lf is going on ignore. |
| 20:40.41 | mheath | Just want to take a moment to remind you all that it was dataw0lf, not I, who first brought up the military stuff. He's the one provoking me and starting the conversation. |
| 20:41.00 | mheath | I was talking about open source software before he started with that |
| 20:42.01 | mrpull | i'll also take a moment to point out that I was just talking about talk radio before people started calling me names |
| 20:42.18 | dataw0lf | I H8 U AND THE BANDS U LIKE |
| 20:42.41 | mrpull | findlay: use windows. it's easier and cheaper. |
| 20:42.57 | findlay | mrpull: that's not the question |
| 20:42.59 | mrpull | findlay: and AD is easier to manage |
| 20:43.11 | mrpull | and scales better. |
| 20:43.23 | ^Migs^ | mheath, I think nobody even cares enough to pay attention to the alleged rivalry between you two |
| 20:43.29 | findlay | mrpull: well if you want to pay for it, then sure :) |
| 20:43.42 | ^Migs^ | and I'm not sure what the point is to actually placing him on ignore |
| 20:43.58 | ^Migs^ | he could say something insightful and life-altering and you'd miss it |
| 20:44.08 | mheath | ^Migs^: I doubt it. |
| 20:44.13 | dataw0lf | findlay: shoot |
| 20:44.32 | mrpull | i've found the best way to ignore ^migs^ is to close my eyes and scream "I CANT SEE YOU I CANT SEE YOU" |
| 20:44.35 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: also, it's not a rivalry. |
| 20:44.47 | ^Migs^ | everyone "doubts" that someone else will say something insightful, but then they do when they're not paying attention, they say something that could completely turn your ilfe around. |
| 20:44.56 | ^Migs^ | dataw0lf, hence the term 'alleged' |
| 20:45.11 | mrpull | ^migs^: your insight is appreciated |
| 20:45.17 | findlay | when people move files around/rename files on this samba server sometimes the files get locked. I can see them with `smbstatus -L` and can even clear those locks by restarting the samba server, but the windows clients still keep a cache of locked files for some reason |
| 20:45.39 | ^Migs^ | everything I say needs to be recorded in the annals of history |
| 20:45.50 | mrpull | or anals of history |
| 20:46.02 | findlay | so, 1) why are these file locks hanging around, and 2) how can I prevent them, and 3) why is windows caching them? |
| 20:46.59 | dataw0lf | findlay: they're oplocks |
| 20:47.07 | dataw0lf | oplocks = no |
| 20:47.10 | dataw0lf | or whatever |
| 20:47.36 | findlay | dataw0lf: what if two people access the same file? |
| 20:47.47 | findlay | can you set oplocks on a per share basis? |
| 20:48.01 | dataw0lf | probably |
| 20:48.06 | dataw0lf | and I think samba still does other types of lock |
| 20:48.08 | dataw0lf | locking* |
| 20:48.15 | dataw0lf | oplocks are used by the client, not the server |
| 20:48.19 | dataw0lf | and that's why they're caching on the windows machine |
| 20:48.28 | findlay | ok |
| 20:49.38 | findlay | does samba use ordinary unix file locks? |
| 20:50.38 | dataw0lf | it uses strict locking and byte level locking, I'm not sure how they relate to unix flock |
| 20:50.47 | dataw0lf | you can set those in the smb.conf too |
| 20:51.02 | dataw0lf | I think strict locking defaults to no (locking the entire file) but I'm not sure |
| 20:51.26 | findlay | hm, oplocks are already turned off globally |
| 20:51.49 | dataw0lf | really? and windows is still caching the lock? |
| 20:52.04 | findlay | they still show up with smbstatus -L |
| 20:52.36 | goozbach | anyone here familiar with credit checks? |
| 20:52.55 | mheath | goozbach: I received lots of briefing on those. I might be able to help :P |
| 20:52.55 | goozbach | do I HAVE to submit my checking account number and bank branch? |
| 20:52.56 | Supaplex | goozbach: sortof. |
| 20:53.10 | mheath | For a credit check? No. |
| 20:53.14 | mheath | Not at all. |
| 20:53.16 | goozbach | I don't like letting that data get out |
| 20:53.24 | dataw0lf | just your social security number |
| 20:53.31 | mheath | Credit checks are from a seperate company that tracks you on name + social security number |
| 20:53.41 | findlay | and pi to the first 256 places |
| 20:54.17 | dataw0lf | findlay: I dunno then. I haven't used samba in years |
| 20:58.19 | mheath | hmm. I'm going to see if Samba works on the Hurd |
| 20:59.53 | Jayce^ | goozbach, for a bigger sale (say house, maybe car) those are used to verify account balances.. usually needed for major purchases only, or lower credit requirements (or they are squeezing in an auto-pay)( |
| 21:00.45 | Jayce^ | most credit services will provide credit account history, but major purchases they want to know if you've had a bank history, especially locally for underwriting |
| 21:00.57 | mheath | thats scary though |
| 21:01.08 | mheath | give someone name, social, bank acount number, bank name + location..... |
| 21:01.15 | findlay | dataw0lf: do you think I could safely disable oplocks on the windows clients? |
| 21:01.27 | Jayce^ | yup, of course from their side loaning out a very large amount of money is scary too |
| 21:01.38 | mheath | yeah, fair enough |
| 21:02.00 | dataw0lf | findlay: should be able to |
| 21:02.04 | findlay | ~dye sjansen |
| 21:02.04 | ibot | ACTION dyes sjansen's hair blonde and dips sjansen in a bucket of paint thinner |
| 21:02.05 | Jayce^ | because we all want to kill him |
| 21:02.13 | dataw0lf | findlay: it only exists on Windows systems, I think |
| 21:02.21 | findlay | dataw0lf: OK |
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| 21:03.35 | dataw0lf | man, if Putty beeps at me one more time... |
| 21:05.26 | goozbach | it's for a rental contract |
| 21:06.07 | mheath | hmm, what kind of chese goes well with Pastrami sandwiches? |
| 21:06.16 | goozbach | so there really isn't any "money" involved for him, I'm paying the application fee, I'm send ing a money order for the earnest money |
| 21:06.41 | goozbach | I don't feel comfortable sending my bank account info to a stranger however |
| 21:07.48 | mheath | Be right back, I'm going to subway :) |
| 21:08.01 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: haha, I was having a long day and decided to read a little #utah to calm down - your conversation with "others" gave me a good laugh / cheered me up... thanks! |
| 21:09.06 | dataw0lf | I'm always glad to be of help |
| 21:09.07 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 21:09.51 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 21:10.17 | dataw0lf | I just found out a couple days ago that he was kicked out again |
| 21:11.13 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:11.16 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:11.19 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:11.23 | elg | that should help |
| 21:11.50 | findlay | ~lart elg like emcnabb, with abandon |
| 21:11.50 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides elg like emcnabb, with abandon with the sea of tranquility |
| 21:11.51 | tensai | goozbach: yeah, I would be suspicious of that |
| 21:11.56 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: I actually hit my head when I fell out of my chair, laughing, with tears streaming down my eyes |
| 21:13.01 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: I found out on the 4th of July, of all days :-) |
| 21:13.15 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 21:13.15 | ibot | cuts elg into thin stripes |
| 21:13.19 | emcnabb | ~lart findlay |
| 21:13.19 | ibot | flings poo at findlay |
| 21:13.58 | findlay | ~shoot emcnabb |
| 21:13.59 | ibot | ACTION shoots emcnabb in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 21:15.53 | findlay | ~shakespeare emcnabb |
| 21:15.54 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: emcnabb - Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon! |
| 21:16.05 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: y'know, that may've been the day I found out |
| 21:16.23 | dataw0lf | actually, I probably would've noted the irony, so maybe the day before |
| 21:16.39 | ^Migs^ | http://www.ethanhaaswasright.com/ |
| 21:16.42 | brac | [Ethan Haas Was Right - Look to the stars for help] |
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| 21:24.24 | mrpull | ^migs^: so can you unlock this little puzzle ball? |
| 21:25.00 | dataw0lf | I got to the 4th step |
| 21:25.00 | ^Migs^ | I haven't had much time to work on it; I'm still on step 2 |
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| 21:25.01 | ^Migs^ | just thought it was neat |
| 21:32.31 | mheath | hmm |
| 21:32.38 | mheath | I want to try Plan 9, and Amoeba, too..\ |
| 21:33.28 | Supaplex | oops. so much for the vmware image I nuked. |
| 21:35.21 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 21:40.24 | mheath | I need to get Hurd up and running again first :P |
| 21:43.29 | mrpull | mheath: why don't you cook up your own OS from scratch? maybe buy an OS theory book and chip away at it? |
| 21:47.08 | mrpull | is reactOS that windows clone? |
| 21:47.13 | tensai | yes |
| 21:47.21 | findlay | :) |
| 21:47.50 | mrpull | windows is such a mess. i figure cloning a mess would only lend to more entropy |
| 21:48.04 | tensai | or maybe two wrongs will make a right |
| 21:48.19 | findlay | it takes three lefts to make a right |
| 21:49.22 | herlo | Jayce^: sent you an email |
| 21:49.30 | Jayce^ | and I replied |
| 21:49.34 | dataw0lf | I think that's why he's ponging you |
| 21:50.13 | dataw0lf | god I hate talking to clients |
| 21:50.43 | dataw0lf | especially crackhead ones who complain about their ex-wife |
| 21:51.17 | dataw0lf | while I'm trying futilely to explain technology to them and why their site can't have sparkly animated gifs |
| 21:52.01 | ^Migs^ | give them sparkly animated gifs if they want them so badly |
| 21:53.04 | dataw0lf | my designers would kill me if I sent in a request for sparkly animated gifs |
| 21:53.38 | mrpull | tickets |
| 21:53.43 | mrpull | |
| 21:54.09 | mrpull | sorry 'bout that... |
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| 22:28.08 | tensai | who wants to help me with a caller-id issue? I need somebody to dial 307-463-7080 and let it ring once. |
| 22:33.12 | rsimpkins | Any web designer worth at least $8.95/hour should be able to do sparkly! For $100.95/hour I can do REAL sparks. |
| 22:37.09 | tensai | pretty please? anybody? beuller? |
| 22:39.37 | rsimpkins | calling |
| 22:39.50 | rsimpkins | k, called |
| 22:42.01 | tensai | ~rsimpkins++ |
| 22:45.08 | Supaplex | it's deaf ;) |
| 22:47.31 | rsimpkins | 867-5309 |
| 22:48.06 | tensai | it's weird. caller-id names don't show up when calling to the 463 prefix. something is up with our pstn provider. |
| 22:52.57 | nick125_ | For some reason, I can't place outbound calls, but, inbound calls work fine |
| 23:00.02 | Supaplex | which voip provider? |
| 23:00.13 | nick125_ | vitelity |
| 23:00.33 | Supaplex | new2me |
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| 23:13.19 | mheath | erm, k10* |
| 23:32.16 | dataw0lf | oh jeepers |
| 23:33.05 | mheath | cool, they've made a lot of improvements to this CD system since I ran it last. |
| 23:33.27 | mheath | used to be a really basic system, now it installs lots of neat stuff |
| 23:33.43 | mheath | you can even install X11 off the CD-ROM using a script, now |
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| 23:54.33 | findlay | very strange |
| 23:54.43 | findlay | my computer pretty much crashed hard |
| 23:57.33 | klys_ | findlay: which os? |
| 23:57.48 | findlay | klys_: linux |
| 23:58.09 | klys_ | findlay: which version? did you have an unstable driver? |
| 23:58.31 | findlay | 2.6.19.7, nope |
| 23:58.46 | findlay | all of the procs I tried to start got killed |
| 23:58.56 | findlay | eventually everything just died |
| 23:59.02 | klys_ | hmm, I've been using 2.6.21 and it's pretty stable for me |
| 23:59.13 | klys_ | 2.6.22 is out now though |
| 23:59.51 | klys_ | so, was there a memory hog? I mean, was VM killing your processes? check /var/log/messages |