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| 05:33.46 | elg | idiocy. this brand new camera requires fancy canon software to get the pictures off it with USB. WHAT, pray tell, is the motivation these companies have for making half-baked in-house software and protocols when there's the likes of USB mass storage and the plethora of photo managing software? |
| 05:34.18 | elg | what kind of brain damage does it take to not make a usb mass storage camera these days? |
| 05:35.15 | herlo | elg: you don't need to do that |
| 05:35.49 | herlo | elg: just use the flash disk or the sd card with a reader and go into the DCIM directory. You'll see the data you need... |
| 05:36.15 | elg | i can understand (though not like) ipod and other such lockin. they want you to use itunes and whatever else. but a camera, where the whole purpose is to get the photos off your camera and into your computer. sheesh |
| 05:37.11 | elg | i don't have or want a stupid flash card reader |
| 05:37.16 | elg | I have a usb cable and usb ports |
| 05:38.42 | sargun | IIRC Canon's is open. |
| 05:39.14 | sargun | (their protocol) |
| 05:39.26 | klys | chek gphoto2.org |
| 05:39.45 | elg | thats good, then it'll probably work in linux |
| 05:40.15 | klys | so do you have a 500 mhz or better machine to dedicate to linux service? |
| 05:40.40 | klys | 750 if you want mplayer |
| 05:40.42 | maquis | cups sucks |
| 05:40.51 | elg | but it's still idiotic |
| 05:41.15 | klys | common unix printing system worked for me before, gs-esp supported my printer. the fonts trick was 'defoma' |
| 05:41.21 | maquis | "Bad %%Page: comment in file!" |
| 05:41.49 | klys | if you're getting errors from incompatible postscript, try gs-gpl or gs |
| 05:42.25 | klys | aladdin might be aailable in non-free |
| 05:42.37 | klys | s/aa/ava/ |
| 05:42.44 | maquis | i don't see anything wrong with the %%Page comments |
| 05:43.26 | maquis | sweet! google doesn't know anything |
| 05:43.30 | klys | gs is a hard program to rework |
| 05:43.48 | klys | don't even think about rewriting any of the source, just try another flavor |
| 05:44.40 | maquis | question: if i have an 8-page document, and i print to ps, and gs only sees one page, does that mean there's a problem? |
| 05:44.54 | klys | maquis: -DNOPAUSE |
| 05:44.55 | maquis | or, how do i get to the next page in gs |
| 05:44.56 | maquis | ? |
| 05:45.01 | klys | gs --help |
| 05:45.07 | maquis | thx |
| 05:53.40 | maquis | printing is one thing that *always* makes me wonder if linux/bsd is worth it |
| 05:54.48 | elg | i set up my in laws computer with ubuntu |
| 05:55.17 | maquis | w00t! it's printing the document i wanted too!!!!! |
| 05:55.38 | klys | the thing that really gets me unnerved with linux is the cutting and pasting |
| 05:56.04 | klys | I want to be able to practically click on an image link from irssi |
| 05:56.05 | findlay | klys: what do you mean by that? |
| 05:56.18 | klys | and the only way to view an image is from X |
| 05:56.34 | maquis | klys: i bet you could hack something together with aalib |
| 05:56.49 | maquis | but personally, i prefer using X to view images |
| 05:56.53 | findlay | klys: gnome-terminal will recognize URLs |
| 05:58.02 | klys | so I have to highlight it with the (lame) mouse, and paste it with the (lame) click-down middle button, and do 'DISPLAY=:0 xclip -o "..."' and switch to X (what a bother), and then alt-tab to firefox, and new-tab or clear out the url (unsafe) and middle-button paste again. mozilla is also not my preferred image viewer, even with X. |
| 05:58.37 | klys | anyway, I'm sure there is a better way |
| 05:58.58 | findlay | in gnome-terminal all of that is condensed into a single item in the context menu |
| 05:59.26 | klys | it might mean making a kernel module which automatically pastes from the tty highlights to a /dev/ device |
| 05:59.29 | findlay | besides the middle click thing is better than having to do ctrl+c ctrl+v all the time |
| 06:02.01 | findlay | -chat about yesterday |
| 06:02.02 | klys | does gnome-terminal have syntax highlighting? |
| 06:02.14 | findlay | klys: there's a couple of shells that do |
| 06:02.16 | brac | yesterday did |
| 06:02.20 | findlay | fish |
| 06:02.22 | klys | can it be fullscreen? |
| 06:02.28 | findlay | <F11> |
| 06:02.44 | klys | can it use a big monospace font? |
| 06:02.52 | findlay | yup |
| 06:03.14 | klys | can it recieve left- and right alt presses and releases? |
| 06:03.35 | findlay | I think that GNOME intercepts those |
| 06:03.45 | klys | right |
| 06:04.07 | klys | my tty has a better font system and a better way to keep track of which is which |
| 06:04.20 | klys | my latest improvement was to put X on tty25 |
| 06:04.44 | klys | now the only way to reach X is lalt-left from tty1 or lalt-right from tty24 |
| 06:05.12 | klys | sounds, legal |
| 06:07.01 | mheath | hmm |
| 06:07.01 | klys | is your display 1024x768 ? |
| 06:07.11 | klys | mheath: are you using linux? |
| 06:07.27 | mheath | Yes. |
| 06:07.29 | klys | is your display 1024x768 ? |
| 06:07.44 | klys | or do you not have a framebuffer |
| 06:07.50 | mheath | My only linux system at the moment does not have a display. |
| 06:07.54 | klys | ok |
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| 06:15.07 | findlay | klys on the other hand has too many displays for his linuxen :) |
| 06:18.49 | klys | I have a matrox g400 card on one and vesafb on this one |
| 06:19.06 | klys | this one also includes a pen |
| 06:19.46 | klys | so at the terminal I can use allegro and text mode at the same time and draw with the pen and mouse |
| 06:20.15 | klys | the other one hooks up to a vcr and has both input and output |
| 06:20.45 | klys | either one will take a lexicon mixer for mic/guitar |
| 06:21.18 | klys | the other one has a midi input that I've been fixing up to read notes from a keyboard |
| 06:21.49 | klys | findlay: so, what do you think |
| 06:23.31 | klys | I also have large fonts for linux console tools to 80 columns at 1024x768 or 1152x864 |
| 06:25.04 | mheath | hmm, I actually had a question |
| 06:25.17 | mheath | anyone know of any very high end, Linux-compatible sound cards? |
| 06:25.38 | klys | get a usb mixer. there is no better way to read your (xlr) microphone |
| 06:25.58 | mheath | I am looking to create some precision, lossless copies of some of my dad's old analog recordings |
| 06:26.15 | mheath | klys: eh? |
| 06:26.29 | klys | the one I have (lexicon alpha) is not linux-compatible though has been seen adding a dsp to my system with usb_audio, and acrecord works |
| 06:26.36 | klys | s/acrecord/arecord/ |
| 06:26.58 | mheath | I want a high-end, precision sound card |
| 06:27.09 | mheath | with alternative inputs to the standard |
| 06:27.30 | klys | you probably want a reliable input; xlr is the only reliable input for mics |
| 06:28.45 | mheath | uh |
| 06:29.10 | mheath | I am not using a microphone |
| 06:29.37 | klys | are you looking for a 1/8" input or a 1/4" |
| 06:30.19 | klys | neither is grounded |
| 06:31.11 | klys | guitars use a mono 1/4" |
| 06:31.47 | mheath | why in the world would you need an audio cable to be 'grounded'? |
| 06:32.03 | klys | maybe you just want rca stereo plugs on a pci card |
| 06:32.59 | klys | addigional signal processing is done with non-grounded signals |
| 06:33.22 | mheath | How do you ground a signal? |
| 06:33.34 | klys | xlr is the only way to ground audio |
| 06:34.38 | mheath | klys: that doesn't make sense. |
| 06:34.46 | mheath | you don't ground a signal. |
| 06:34.48 | klys | xlr cables can be very long and still carry the distinct signal |
| 06:35.03 | mheath | klys: are you looking for the term "shielded"? |
| 06:36.07 | klys | it has two signal and one ground, the ground attaches the chassis |
| 06:36.50 | mheath | OK. |
| 06:37.22 | klys | the two signal are not for stereo, xlr is a mono signal |
| 06:38.20 | mheath | klys: please use correct terminology |
| 06:38.39 | mheath | It is not a "grounded signal" and you are not "grounding the signal" |
| 06:39.27 | mheath | there is a ground/neutral reference that wraps around the cable, thus shielding it. |
| 06:47.02 | mheath | klys: Your idea of a USB mixer is a joke. I'm looking for something 24-bit, 192Khz. |
| 06:47.09 | mheath | Needs to have very good audio input contacts. |
| 06:50.03 | klys | more than $90, you won't buy it |
| 06:50.44 | mheath | eh? I won't buy it? |
| 06:50.56 | klys | well, it's expensive is what I'm saying |
| 06:51.28 | mheath | klys: this music collection that I'm converting to digital is currently played on a $30,000 home audio system. A $200 audio card for a computer isn't a bother :) |
| 06:55.45 | klys | http://www.bgears.com/download/b-Enspirer_Driver32_64_Linux.zip ; card is $100 at pricewatch.com |
| 06:59.11 | mheath | ouch. pricing high end audio equipment scares me... |
| 06:59.19 | mheath | my dad has a bunch of McIntosh high end stuff |
| 06:59.32 | mheath | Old antique stuff out of the 60's |
| 07:00.01 | klys | do you have vinyl cutter? |
| 07:00.21 | mheath | I was considering getting him a new McIntosh brand CD-Player, as thats one component he lacks (he plays CDs on it via an attached DVD player) |
| 07:00.33 | mheath | $3,300 for their basic CD player |
| 07:01.01 | klys | I was never much into hi-fi audio; I can't really tell anything's wrong when I'm listening to an mp3 |
| 07:02.37 | mheath | klys: you would notice a difference on my dads system, I guarantee you. |
| 07:02.57 | klys | you'd want me to listen to it with speakers, I prefer headphones |
| 07:03.03 | mheath | He has a ~$20,000 audio system |
| 07:03.16 | klys | now, with bose speakers, everything sounds good |
| 07:03.22 | mheath | klys: He has two walnut-cased speakers, each of which are big enough for you to fit in them :) |
| 07:15.25 | mheath | Ooh, their high end CD system is $7000 |
| 07:15.31 | mheath | and you need an extra component |
| 07:16.22 | klys | anything that's in the thousands range you're getting shafted, you could get 15 laptops for 1000 |
| 07:20.04 | sargun | really? |
| 07:20.20 | klys | lemme see... |
| 07:20.29 | mheath | klys: uh...heh :P |
| 07:20.56 | mheath | People say that until they experience a really nice system |
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| 07:25.19 | sargun | klys, Bose's sp |
| 07:25.36 | sargun | klys, Bose's speakers are OK, their technology sucks though |
| 07:27.22 | klys | sargun: the $50.00 laptops are on page ~350 of 'buy it now' "laptop" at ebay |
| 07:27.51 | sargun | ah |
| 07:28.06 | sargun | are they any good? |
| 07:31.09 | klys | my bad, 381 was a good page; they appear to be workable/running |
| 07:32.13 | klys | so I suspect a good deal for $60-70 total on a laptop |
| 07:38.58 | mheath | Goodnight. |
| 07:39.44 | sargun | g'night |
| 07:39.46 | sargun | have fun |
| 07:39.58 | sargun | Stay off sleep assistants meds! |
| 09:18.33 | Lakshmi | sargun\ |
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| 16:13.43 | mheath | GRRR |
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| 16:48.17 | mheath | I'm trying to remember the reason I found for not installing Linux on here :P |
| 16:53.44 | mheath | Oh, yeah. Hardware compatibility :( |
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| 22:06.56 | sargun | napster should make a linux client |
| 22:25.25 | herlo | sargun: why do you need napster when you have bittorrent? |
| 22:25.41 | sargun | because napster is legal! |
| 22:25.51 | herlo | sargun: so is bittorrent!! |
| 22:26.22 | sargun | and you can't get an infinite amount of music via bittorrent legally for a flat-rate fee monthly |
| 22:27.37 | herlo | sargun: the content could be in question but I distribute all of my media and music legally through bittorrent |
| 22:27.53 | sargun | now if more artists were like you |
| 22:28.21 | herlo | sargun: I don't produce music. I redistribute freely available music though... |
| 22:29.28 | herlo | sargun: I'd say that most of what I do is ISOs for Fedora and Ubuntu though. |
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| 23:17.18 | mheath | rf |
| 23:47.50 | mheath | thats....odd. |
| 23:48.08 | mheath | I was detatched from screen when I said that. |