| 00:00.00 | mheath | Not SanDisk, but yeah, I know. |
| 00:00.00 | QBFreak | ok |
| 00:00.14 | mheath | (same thing though; U3 isn't a particular vendor) |
| 00:00.15 | QBFreak | I got a Cruzer from them and it drove me mad to have it autorunning crap on plugin |
| 00:00.18 | QBFreak | ah |
| 00:00.21 | mheath | I bought it by accident |
| 00:00.30 | mheath | Just wanted a normal USB drive |
| 00:00.35 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 00:00.43 | mheath | All the package said was "U3"...didn't clue me in on it |
| 00:00.50 | QBFreak | yeah, I didn't know either |
| 00:00.57 | mheath | Bought it and thought "This is...erm..._kinda_ cool...maybe I'll give it a try" |
| 00:01.05 | mheath | Just been kinda irritated by it since |
| 00:01.17 | mheath | Now i'm looking for something kinda similar to it |
| 00:01.36 | mheath | Wanted to be able to sync e-mail client + calendar between computers, thought it would be useful in doing so... |
| 00:01.50 | mheath | But, guess what? Its versions of Thunderbird is horribly out of date |
| 00:01.54 | QBFreak | heh |
| 00:01.58 | mheath | and it has no decent calendar app |
| 00:02.04 | QBFreak | there is another project, but the name eludes me |
| 00:02.13 | mheath | portableapps.com |
| 00:02.17 | QBFreak | possibly |
| 00:02.27 | mheath | very similar but not broken, and has up-to-date software |
| 00:02.34 | mheath | and all their packaged software is open source |
| 00:02.57 | QBFreak | aha! dpkg-reconfigure etherconf is what I wanted |
| 00:03.24 | mheath | oh, heh, I was going to answer your question, but got distracted and then forgot |
| 00:03.49 | QBFreak | np, google is good for me |
| 00:04.06 | QBFreak | once I finally noticed the 'etherconf' part of the comment in the file, I managed to find what I wanted |
| 00:12.03 | QBFreak | any network gurus around? I have another mess :) |
| 00:12.24 | mheath | whats up? I can try to help. |
| 00:12.27 | QBFreak | I have three machines that are not in a position to use ethernet |
| 00:13.05 | QBFreak | I have a wireless adapter on the windows box and am using internet connection sharing, but that wont let me forward ports from my router to one of the other boxes that is behind the ICS stuff |
| 00:13.36 | mheath | so |
| 00:13.37 | QBFreak | will a wireless bridge cause less of a mess in this position? |
| 00:13.43 | mheath | ~lart Logitech |
| 00:13.43 | ibot | moos at Logitech |
| 00:14.36 | mheath | QBFreak: Depends entirely on what kind of bridge it is, and how it's configured |
| 00:14.56 | mheath | but yes, it may |
| 00:15.20 | QBFreak | do you know of a particular feature I should look for? |
| 00:15.42 | mheath | just one with good configurtability |
| 00:16.31 | QBFreak | as in not the super cheap ones :) |
| 00:23.03 | mheath | yep :) |
| 00:30.00 | QBFreak | apparently only to another access point, meh |
| 00:33.37 | QBFreak | this sucks, its the only one I can find locally |
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| 00:49.33 | Shadowwire | hello all |
| 00:49.42 | Shadowwire | anybody there? |
| 00:51.45 | QBFreak | nope |
| 00:53.16 | nick125_ | Noone is here. |
| 00:54.23 | klys | shadowwire: what are you up to? |
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| 01:05.27 | klys | shadowwire: are you here? |
| 01:06.13 | nick125_ | Ugh. I don't want to reinstall gentoo on my laptop just to remove it in a week or two or how ever long it takes them to approve my repair |
| 01:06.37 | klys | use knoppix |
| 01:07.25 | nick125_ | It took like 12 hours to install last time, but, some of that was time I was away and it idled |
| 01:10.04 | Tene | ~nick125 nick125_ |
| 01:10.04 | ibot | ACTION puts nick125_ on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes nick125_ use Gentoo on there. |
| 01:14.56 | herlo | and can emulate pxe essentially. |
| 01:15.02 | herlo | anyone know what I am referring to? |
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| 01:19.12 | klys | herlo: there is a reactos boot cd, I don't know anything about it, but it's available for download |
| 01:21.53 | Shadowwire | Sup yo? |
| 01:21.59 | klys | hey man |
| 01:21.59 | herlo | klys: I was interested in etherboot |
| 01:22.05 | klys | oh |
| 01:22.06 | herlo | klys: but thanks |
| 01:22.09 | klys | cool |
| 01:22.21 | klys | shadowwire: so what are you up to tonite |
| 01:22.42 | Shadowwire | Just headed out to play some AOE. YOu? |
| 01:23.08 | Shadowwire | Ah... a teblet. |
| 01:23.27 | *** part/#utah s4founder (n=david@turnbull.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 01:23.39 | Shadowwire | do you use photoshop or illistrator a lot? |
| 01:23.42 | klys | shadowwire: is this the only computer you have irc on, the one you're going to yse for aoe? |
| 01:23.50 | klys | shadowwire: just the gimp |
| 01:24.08 | Shadowwire | nope. I have a laptop that i use for games |
| 01:24.26 | Shadowwire | ah yes. the gimp |
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| 01:24.57 | Shadowwire | Have you tried 3ds max? |
| 01:25.00 | klys | shadowwire: http://pp.kpnet.fi/blaze/files/irssi-win32-standalone-0.3.exe |
| 01:25.15 | klys | shadowwire: not yet, man, I might have access to maya though |
| 01:25.31 | Shadowwire | Can i send files through this thing? |
| 01:25.47 | klys | shadowwire: that file is irssi-only cygwin setup, if you like it, you should install cygwin |
| 01:26.09 | klys | shadowwire: you can, /dcc send c:\full\path\to\file |
| 01:26.11 | Shadowwire | I mean you want 3ds max? |
| 01:26.17 | klys | haha |
| 01:26.19 | klys | not here |
| 01:26.40 | Shadowwire | some legality issue? |
| 01:26.57 | klys | well, also I'm not running wine |
| 01:27.16 | klys | so windows 98 isn't really the best thing to install on this laptop |
| 01:27.21 | Shadowwire | I dont know what that is. (wine) |
| 01:27.27 | klys | the windows emulator |
| 01:27.34 | Shadowwire | i see. |
| 01:27.41 | klys | this is pretty recent for a laptop hard drive |
| 01:27.41 | Shadowwire | you running linux? |
| 01:27.52 | klys | yes, debian unstable, www.debian.org |
| 01:28.34 | klys | and of course I always run my own kernel too, ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2 |
| 01:28.48 | nick125_ | yay for compiling your own kernel |
| 01:29.42 | klys | shadowwire: are you going over to their house tonight to game, maybe you can get jeff online too |
| 01:30.00 | Shadowwire | ah ha. |
| 01:30.26 | Shadowwire | klys. I just realized who you are. |
| 01:30.30 | klys | ok |
| 01:32.01 | klys | so, I don't have any games really right now, my latest install project was for dfbmozilla (*fast*), but that hasn't panned out yet. so my windowing setup is kind of quirky ahuh |
| 01:32.36 | Shadowwire | hmm |
| 01:32.44 | klys | and I'm using allegro in text mode to code the mouse and tablet with gnu c++ |
| 01:33.01 | klys | it's actually graphics on text mode, 16bpp |
| 01:33.12 | Shadowwire | Yea I could probably chat with you from Jeffs, But i dont think he would want to. |
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| 01:33.53 | Shadowwire | Im gonna run. I might get on from jeffs. |
| 01:33.56 | klys | so, I'm capable to transcieve messages from msn/yahoo with bitlbee, too |
| 01:34.02 | klys | when are you back? |
| 01:34.21 | Shadowwire | I dont know. You comming down this weekend? |
| 01:34.36 | klys | maybe not, depends on reliable way back to provo |
| 01:35.24 | sargun_s1reen | Lakshmi: |
| 01:35.29 | klys | shadowwire: when will you be back |
| 01:35.54 | Shadowwire | Back on IRC? |
| 01:36.05 | klys | right, after gaming I mean |
| 01:36.17 | Shadowwire | Probably about 11:00 |
| 01:36.20 | klys | k |
| 01:36.40 | Shadowwire | c-ya-l8er? |
| 01:37.04 | klys | right, have a nice scene, ttyl |
| 01:37.04 | Shadowwire | I bet elna would give you a ride. |
| 01:37.18 | klys | well, I'm not taking a lot of rides from her recently |
| 01:37.26 | Shadowwire | how about mark? |
| 01:37.47 | klys | I think they're in the same vehicle anyway |
| 01:38.05 | Shadowwire | I know what a pain in the *** moms can be. |
| 01:38.35 | klys | heh, yeah well, if anything comes up we'll talk about it |
| 01:38.46 | Shadowwire | i think you should forgive her. (not that you care about my opinion.) |
| 01:38.53 | klys | but until then, not much is coming my way |
| 01:39.11 | Shadowwire | What about Sambo? |
| 01:39.13 | klys | I don't know how, at leasy mark is still in favor of $!#%^% |
| 01:39.27 | klys | sam, if he would promise not to threaten me with no ride |
| 01:39.50 | Shadowwire | I'll kick his a**! |
| 01:39.57 | klys | hahaah |
| 01:40.32 | Shadowwire | Well it would be great to see you. |
| 01:40.35 | klys | yeah |
| 01:40.52 | Shadowwire | Im gonna run, Take it easy! |
| 01:40.56 | klys | have phun |
| 01:41.04 | Shadowwire | ok, bye |
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| 02:25.39 | Lakshmi | sargun_s1reen: poke |
| 02:29.20 | Lakshmi | sargun_s1reen: love you ttyl |
| 02:37.36 | findlay | I wish somebody loved me |
| 02:38.36 | goozbach | holy crap |
| 02:38.52 | findlay | ~pineapple |
| 02:38.53 | ibot | ACTION dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing ~o pineapple pineapple pineapple ~o |
| 02:38.53 | goozbach | google maps has drag-n-drop route changing |
| 02:39.01 | goozbach | findlay: watch your mouth |
| 02:39.08 | goozbach | there could be kids connected! |
| 02:39.11 | goozbach | geez |
| 02:39.48 | emcnabb | goozbach: a house? |
| 02:39.56 | goozbach | emcnabb: yes a house! |
| 02:40.00 | goozbach | I'm moving to Atlanta |
| 02:40.10 | emcnabb | oh yeah, that's awesome |
| 02:40.13 | goozbach | Marietta actually |
| 02:40.15 | emcnabb | which part? |
| 02:40.16 | emcnabb | ah |
| 02:40.41 | findlay | now you can go to the Atlanta Symphony more regularly |
| 02:40.44 | emcnabb | not too far from Lisa's parents |
| 02:41.05 | emcnabb | ~10 miles or so |
| 02:41.20 | emcnabb | goozbach: you got a new job? |
| 02:43.17 | goozbach | http://maps.google.com/help/maps/directions/index.html |
| 02:43.18 | brac | [Google Maps] |
| 02:43.30 | goozbach | emcnabb: yup I got a new job |
| 02:43.36 | goozbach | at Cox Radio Interactive |
| 02:43.42 | emcnabb | cool |
| 02:43.44 | goozbach | I'm the new senior sys admin |
| 02:43.48 | emcnabb | nice |
| 02:44.09 | emcnabb | bad URL? |
| 02:44.39 | emcnabb | goozbach: they a Linux shop? |
| 02:46.40 | goozbach | url works for me |
| 02:46.58 | goozbach | just look at directsions on google maps and click and drag your blue route line |
| 02:46.59 | emcnabb | ah, gotcha |
| 02:47.01 | goozbach | it moves |
| 02:47.21 | goozbach | emcnabb: yup, somewhere around 45 servers |
| 02:47.28 | emcnabb | nice |
| 02:47.31 | goozbach | runing a cluster apache system |
| 02:47.56 | goozbach | I'm in charge of the entire stack all the way to the webserver |
| 02:48.13 | goozbach | and some of the applications written in mod_perl as well |
| 02:48.22 | emcnabb | wow, sounds like you'll be keeping busy :-) |
| 02:49.21 | mheath | grr |
| 02:49.33 | mheath | I wish I could remember that stupid website. |
| 02:50.31 | mheath | If only I could find a job like that, goozbach :P |
| 02:50.36 | mheath | I guess thats what I'm going to school for |
| 02:50.47 | mheath | So, is GPG incompatible with Windows vista? |
| 02:51.09 | mheath | trying to upload public keys fails |
| 02:51.15 | mheath | with a "file read error" |
| 02:51.19 | mheath | emcnabb: please, don't. |
| 02:51.32 | emcnabb | please don't hold back the comments? |
| 02:52.10 | mheath | Yes. |
| 02:52.48 | emcnabb | naw, I need to go to bed soon |
| 02:53.20 | mheath | emcnabb: you don't happen to remember the URL of that student study time-management help website that someone had repeatedly suggested I use in the past? |
| 02:53.27 | mheath | I can't for the life of me remember that thing |
| 02:53.31 | emcnabb | nope |
| 02:56.02 | emcnabb | goozbach: I go down to Atlanta every few months; we'll have to do dinner sometime |
| 02:56.28 | emcnabb | goozbach: and you're always welcome to come up to NC to visit |
| 02:56.46 | mheath | My old employer is illegally refusing to rehire me |
| 02:56.55 | mheath | don't want to bother with fighting that, though |
| 02:56.56 | sargun_s1reen | http://www.kongregate.com/ is awesome |
| 02:57.00 | goozbach | emcnabb: it's on, on both counts |
| 02:57.35 | mheath | sargun_s1reen: uh, sounds like yet another games site |
| 02:57.36 | emcnabb | goozbach: sweet |
| 02:58.04 | mheath | emcnabb: where in NC are you living? I have an uncle up there :P |
| 02:58.10 | emcnabb | Raleigh area |
| 02:58.33 | mheath | hmm. He |
| 02:58.41 | mheath | He's a librarian, in raleigh I believe. |
| 02:59.45 | mheath | nevermind. Williamsburg. |
| 03:00.25 | emcnabb | hum, never heard of it |
| 03:01.09 | emcnabb | yeah, that's a bit aways from me |
| 03:01.18 | emcnabb | that's cool though |
| 03:01.37 | mheath | this is retarded |
| 03:01.47 | mheath | I manually uploaded my key via a web interafce to pgp.mit.edu |
| 03:01.55 | mheath | but why isn't this working? |
| 03:04.05 | emcnabb | night all |
| 03:04.29 | mheath | night emcnabb |
| 03:09.10 | sargun_s1reen | goozbach: We have that. |
| 03:09.21 | sargun_s1reen | We have auto-route-changing |
| 03:09.26 | sargun_s1reen | We've haded from 4.1 |
| 03:09.29 | sargun_s1reen | (DDS 4.1) |
| 03:10.02 | goozbach | sargun_s1reen: have what? |
| 03:11.55 | findlay | man, I'm bored |
| 03:14.22 | klys | get hnb |
| 03:14.34 | klys | http://hnb.sf.net/ |
| 03:15.39 | sargun_s1reen | goozbach: DDS is deCarta's prouduct |
| 03:15.43 | sargun_s1reen | product too. |
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| 03:22.07 | klys | hans? |
| 03:22.43 | klys | tuple: do you know about cis tuples? just curious I don't have that problem anymore |
| 03:23.23 | klys | it's a linux kernel thing with pcmcia |
| 03:27.27 | findlay | the music they play at DI? |
| 03:27.54 | klys | you are bored |
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| 03:28.54 | Supaplex | findlay: yea, before they axed their freebee 128kb stream |
| 03:28.56 | findlay | ~random |
| 03:29.02 | mheath | findlay: DI? DI!? HOW ABOUT I POKE YOU IN DI!? |
| 03:29.10 | findlay | ~di |
| 03:29.11 | ibot | di is, like, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html, or like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 03:29.21 | Supaplex | uh di.fm :p |
| 03:29.29 | mheath | I know what the DI is :P |
| 03:30.40 | Supaplex | ibot_: DI is also http://di.fm/ or Deseret Industries or mheath pronounces it "duh eye" |
| 03:30.43 | Supaplex | :P |
| 03:32.09 | findlay | ibot_ don't know nothing |
| 03:33.54 | Supaplex | you're correct. (because you used a double negative) |
| 03:34.16 | findlay | well, he didn't acknowledge that he knows new stuff |
| 03:34.22 | findlay | ibot_: what do you know? |
| 03:34.55 | Supaplex | ibot_: di |
| 03:35.16 | findlay | ~reboot |
| 03:35.16 | ibot | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 03:35.21 | findlay | ~windows |
| 03:35.21 | ibot | somebody said windows was a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs |
| 03:35.29 | findlay | ~reboot ibot_ |
| 03:35.29 | ibot | ACTION pushes ibot_'s reset button |
| 03:35.34 | findlay | ~see ya |
| 03:35.34 | ibot | ACTION whispers to ya "You didn't see anything...." |
| 03:35.55 | findlay | ~shutdown -r now |
| 03:36.52 | Supaplex | ~di |
| 03:36.52 | ibot | hmm... di is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html, or like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 03:37.26 | klys | ibot_: DI is also http://di.fm/ or ibot_: DI is also http://di.fm/ or mheath pronounces it "duh eye" |
| 03:37.30 | klys | go fish |
| 03:37.47 | klys | nerk, even I made a mistake |
| 03:38.08 | klys | ~reboot ibot_ |
| 03:38.09 | ibot | ACTION pushes ibot_'s reset button |
| 03:38.14 | klys | uh ah |
| 03:38.28 | Supaplex | haha |
| 03:38.35 | findlay | he won't do nothing until Timriker uses the reboot magic on it |
| 03:38.44 | klys | bot maintenance chat tonite |
| 03:39.37 | klys | wait, maybe it's because it's caps |
| 03:39.55 | klys | ibot_: di is also http://di.fm/ or mheath pronounces it "duh eye" |
| 03:40.01 | klys | nor |
| 03:46.38 | findlay | so I plugged in this usb hard drive and nothing happened |
| 03:46.53 | findlay | what can I do so it gets recognized? |
| 03:49.53 | Supaplex | klys: dpkg bot does the same |
| 03:51.40 | klys | supaplex: is there a list of stuff he knows posted online somewhere? |
| 03:54.39 | Supaplex | there's nightly sql dumps. gimmie a few minutes to recall the factoid. |
| 03:54.49 | Supaplex | ahh. |
| 03:55.02 | Supaplex | factoids. of course. :) enjoy. |
| 03:55.07 | klys | k |
| 03:56.20 | findlay | well, I had this strange USB Y cable and I plugged the drive in wrong |
| 03:56.23 | findlay | plug |
| 03:56.37 | findlay | everything seems to work now |
| 03:56.41 | findlay | thanks for the help |
| 03:56.50 | Supaplex | what kind of usb controller? onboard? pci? pcmcia? |
| 03:56.59 | Supaplex | s/pcmcia/cardbus/ |
| 03:56.59 | findlay | I don't know |
| 03:57.08 | findlay | it's on the MB |
| 03:57.15 | Supaplex | that's called onboard. |
| 03:57.28 | findlay | like onboard a spaceship? |
| 03:57.44 | Supaplex | it uses two cables because of usb power requirements. some controllers will provide more than 500ma w/o complaining, but it's not suppose to. |
| 03:57.53 | Supaplex | like on the motherboard |
| 03:57.59 | Supaplex | mainboard etc |
| 03:58.15 | Supaplex | 500ma per port that is |
| 03:58.47 | sargun_s1reen | ma? |
| 03:58.51 | sargun_s1reen | milliamperes? |
| 04:00.11 | findlay | milliantisarguns |
| 04:00.34 | mheath | ~shock sargun_s1reen |
| 04:02.00 | sargun_s1reen | ouch. |
| 04:03.29 | mheath | I need to clean up my site |
| 04:03.35 | mheath | Going to post ObjNet on there :) |
| 04:03.38 | Supaplex | yes, ma = milliamps |
| 04:03.42 | sargun_s1reen | what's your website? |
| 04:04.14 | nick125_ | nick125.com |
| 04:04.24 | mheath | I think he meant mine :P |
| 04:04.30 | mheath | Not one I'm going to share atm |
| 04:04.36 | mheath | I'll let you know when I release ObjNet |
| 04:04.42 | mheath | that will be the main content, anyway |
| 04:04.55 | nick125_ | mheath: What's objnet again? |
| 04:05.27 | sargun_s1reen | a net of objs? |
| 04:06.02 | findlay | guess so |
| 04:06.10 | mheath | nick125_: a protocol resolution and protocol-independent hierarchy system :-) |
| 04:10.39 | klys | mheath: my last release was for hmce: freshmeat.net/projects/hmce do you think your project is at all related? |
| 04:11.24 | mheath | uh, no. |
| 04:12.08 | klys | mheath: does it have more to do with /etc/services ? |
| 04:13.18 | mheath | more, I suppose, but not directly related at all. |
| 04:14.20 | mheath | Since several people seem interested, I'll spam the channel a bit with a few lines of output from a simple little ObjNet client I coded |
| 04:14.25 | klys | how do you have a protocol independent hierarchy, do you use filesystem protocols or socket protocols |
| 04:15.02 | mheath | -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- |
| 04:15.02 | mheath | Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) |
| 04:15.07 | mheath | erm |
| 04:15.09 | mheath | wrong paste |
| 04:15.22 | mheath | good thing irssi lets me catch myself before pasting the whole thing :P |
| 04:15.33 | klys | ; |
| 04:15.37 | mheath | :trace-link com.fake-domain.ftp com.fake-domain.ftp is linked to com.fake-isp.slc.customer1.host1.ftp |
| 04:15.40 | mheath | :describe com.fake-isp.slc.customer1.host1.ftp com.fake-isp.slc.customer1.host1.ftp provides 'ftp' meta: ipv4-ip: 127.0.0.1 meta: port: 20 |
| 04:15.43 | mheath | :connect com.fake-domain.ftp ERROR: no handler for type 'ftp' |
| 04:15.45 | mheath | :find-handler ftp Searching for protocol... com.fake-domain.http.objnet.handlers.ftp |
| 04:16.01 | mheath | that still came across badly formatted...should be a few more line breaks...but still |
| 04:16.04 | klys | ; |
| 04:16.27 | klys | it has more to do with dns hierarchy |
| 04:16.40 | mheath | No, it has nothing to do with DNS |
| 04:16.48 | mheath | Other than the fact that it essentially replaces DNS |
| 04:16.56 | mheath | Replaces, and extends :) |
| 04:17.11 | klys | then how the dns-related reverse layout of dns names? |
| 04:17.39 | klys | so, are you using libnss? |
| 04:19.32 | sargun_s1reen | heh |
| 04:19.46 | mheath | Uh, no. |
| 04:20.34 | mheath | klys: It is like DNS only in the fact that com. is one of the prefixes I use in my example O.o |
| 04:20.43 | mheath | "com" has very little to do with DNS, anyway. |
| 04:21.24 | klys | does it produce ip addresses for non-nss clients? if so, how could it be useful as a server? |
| 04:22.14 | sargun_s1reen | and its in java probably |
| 04:22.17 | sargun_s1reen | and its slow |
| 04:22.19 | sargun_s1reen | and broken |
| 04:22.22 | sargun_s1reen | well, DNS is broken to |
| 04:22.24 | sargun_s1reen | too |
| 04:22.33 | mheath | sargun_s1reen: It's a protocol. |
| 04:22.40 | mheath | How is a protocol in a particular language? |
| 04:22.48 | mheath | I happen to have coded a sample implementation in Java, yes. |
| 04:22.58 | klys | does anyone know of a place that you can see new sites kind of like the dns incremental zone transfer? |
| 04:23.56 | mheath | klys: It's designed to work at a lower level than the DNS you're used to. A controlling application would determine what application is required for viewing a given node. |
| 04:24.20 | mheath | Rather than in DNS now, where the final application makes a DNS lookup |
| 04:24.23 | klys | mheath: this is true for ldap too |
| 04:28.40 | mheath | klys: yes, but ldap does not inherently tell you what utility is needed for accessing a given node |
| 04:32.05 | mheath | klys: ObjNet is designed to do several things |
| 04:32.18 | klys | the only program I know of that's capable of this is 'file' |
| 04:32.52 | mheath | klys: thats part of ObjNet's functionality. Does something like file, but returns protocols, in reference to nodes/"objects" on the internet :) |
| 04:33.00 | mheath | ObjNet first of all directly replaces DNS |
| 04:33.14 | nick125_ | http://xkcd.com/c278.html |
| 04:33.14 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 04:33.24 | mheath | It's designed to be a more open-ended format, and unlike DNS inherently supports links |
| 04:33.44 | mheath | Take for example www.gooogle.com which uses HTML to redirect to www.google.com |
| 04:34.05 | mheath | Using linking, instead, www.gooogle.com could, at the nameserver level, be linked to www.google.com |
| 04:34.52 | mheath | Nodes/"Objects" also carry a variety of metadata with thim |
| 04:35.02 | mheath | Required meta includes information about the protocol |
| 04:35.31 | mheath | You'd be told that com.google.www requires the "http" protocol. |
| 04:35.48 | klys | so anyway, do you have a frontend? |
| 04:36.08 | mheath | ANother unique attribute, too is that you can set a different nameserver for subnodes |
| 04:36.42 | klys | does it use dns protocols to reference the different nameserver? |
| 04:37.07 | findlay | shouldn't that be moc.elgoog.www? |
| 04:37.11 | mheath | While com.google.www is resolved by your local 'master' nameserver, part of www's meta info specifies a different nameserver to handle subnodes |
| 04:37.55 | mheath | An interested effect of this is that, rather can requiring something like com.google.www/folder/index.html you can now have com.google.www.folder.index |
| 04:38.16 | mheath | But com.google.www.folder.something could be handled by an entirely different protocol than HTML :) |
| 04:38.19 | mheath | HTTP* |
| 04:39.00 | mheath | klys: No. It requires one hardcoded IP addresses just as DNS does. |
| 04:39.22 | mheath | klys: What do you mean, a frontend? This is a protocol. I have a sample client implementation, I already shared a bit of its output with you. |
| 04:39.47 | klys | so, does your frontend include a helper for opening locations? |
| 04:40.26 | klys | like: if I want to say lftp is the handler for 'ftp' |
| 04:40.38 | mheath | Yep, it sure does |
| 04:40.49 | mheath | My sample implementation well...implements the protocol :P |
| 04:40.54 | klys | and I type in fi.uwasa.garbo, will it then open lftp for me? |
| 04:40.59 | mheath | And that kind of functionality is inherently supported by the protocl |
| 04:41.16 | mheath | klys: yep, if you configure it to handle ftp stuff with lftp. |
| 04:41.28 | mheath | It's backwards compatible |
| 04:41.46 | mheath | Its designed to be directly implemented by client applicats like lftp, though. |
| 04:41.58 | klys | what is the syntax to add a node |
| 04:42.43 | mheath | klys: thats handled on the server. The protocol has nothing to do with that. |
| 04:43.07 | klys | so I can't add more stuff dynamically if I have it |
| 04:43.16 | klys | it would be in a conffile |
| 04:43.58 | mheath | klys: A server implementation would of course support that. |
| 04:44.11 | mheath | But thats handled by the nameservers, not by the protocol |
| 04:44.15 | klys | and you're writing the objnet server |
| 04:44.35 | mheath | I am writing a protocol specification, and a sample implementation of it. |
| 04:44.44 | klys | is there a way using the protocol to upload a node to the server |
| 04:44.57 | mheath | klys: not directly. |
| 04:45.11 | mheath | indirectly, yes |
| 04:45.18 | levi_home | Woot, I am in DC. |
| 04:45.23 | mheath | If certain things are ObjNet-aware |
| 04:45.23 | klys | whoa man |
| 04:45.31 | findlay | levi_home: you're not home |
| 04:45.45 | levi_home | findlay: The computer that's running irssi is. |
| 04:46.50 | herlo | levi_home: whatcha doing in DC? |
| 04:47.30 | mheath | klys: for example....a objnet server + an objnet aware FTP server (or an objnet server + a module for it that automaticly updates nodes based on changes to FTP file tree) |
| 04:47.39 | mheath | you upload a file using the FTP protcol |
| 04:47.47 | mheath | and new subnodes are automatically created :) |
| 04:48.08 | klys | so do you have any experience with ftp service? it uses 2 ports |
| 04:48.10 | levi_home | herlo: Vacationing. |
| 04:48.21 | levi_home | herlo: And going to an old friend's wedding. |
| 04:48.21 | klys | and most of the time it corrects itself with funny PORT commands |
| 04:48.24 | mheath | klys: OK? |
| 04:48.57 | mheath | This doesn't replaces TCP/IP, and its protocol agnostic other than it can tell you what protocol is needed, and optionally give some meta information useful to a utility that implements said protcol for accessing the data in quesiton |
| 04:49.29 | klys | mheath: I'm trying to find out what your new killer app will be; even though you apparently have the server for it yet |
| 04:49.39 | klys | er, not yet |
| 04:49.54 | mheath | What are you talking about? |
| 04:50.10 | klys | are you going to collaborate using this protocol? |
| 04:50.26 | mheath | eh? |
| 04:50.57 | klys | are you going to work on shared information (closely related nodes, etc.) which will be visible using multiple clients |
| 04:51.48 | klys | do you intend to support something like the IXFR, or do you just want a database dump for any copies |
| 04:52.23 | herlo | levi_home: sounds like fun |
| 04:52.31 | herlo | levi_home: go to the spy museum if you get a chance |
| 04:54.14 | mheath | klys: master nameservers own nodes; other nameservers can reference their nodes using the protocol, to provide the information to their clients. |
| 04:57.25 | klys | mheath: and aware applications can add their own subnodes when invoked, but only invoked on the client side. server-side content includes only the metadata needed to invoke client apps. nothing in the database can be directly updated. however: nodes can be automatically created, probably depending on reference count, and are probably in need of manual updating once created to bring in relevant metadata |
| 04:57.35 | klys | sounds like this program could be real simple |
| 04:58.20 | mheath | klys: No. |
| 04:58.34 | mheath | Nodes can not be created or destroyed from the client side. |
| 04:58.51 | mheath | The protocol does not directly support creating or destroing nodes |
| 04:59.00 | mheath | Its up to the server to implement that however it wants |
| 04:59.12 | mheath | I merely provided an example of such an implmentation, which you apparently completely misunderstood |
| 04:59.19 | klys | uh=huh, except when an aware application makes them look like nodes but they're really not |
| 04:59.53 | findlay | ~schubert++ |
| 05:01.09 | mheath | klys: huh? O>o |
| 05:01.17 | klys | because a client side this.at.look.but.cool.is.this. is not a node |
| 05:01.52 | klys | and is not part of the network so, cannot be collaborated over |
| 05:02.10 | mheath | OK? |
| 05:02.15 | mheath | Whats your point? |
| 05:02.31 | klys | so, my idea is that I understand what you're doing so far |
| 05:02.53 | mheath | You don't seem to. |
| 05:03.42 | klys | you have a protocol that is meant to be used in a read-only fashion and supports looking up previously stored addresses and accompanying metadata |
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| 05:04.40 | mheath | It is not read-only! |
| 05:04.50 | mheath | The protocol ITSELF doesn't support changes to the nodes |
| 05:04.56 | mheath | But its designed to be used in a very dynamic way |
| 05:05.12 | mheath | Think of it this way |
| 05:05.18 | mheath | I'll give you an equivelent example with DNS |
| 05:05.23 | mheath | Say you use godaddy.com |
| 05:05.34 | mheath | And you log onto their website to update where your DNS domain name points to |
| 05:06.00 | mheath | Now, you just used the HTTP protocol to update what DNS provides. At no point did you directly use the DNS protocol to update. |
| 05:06.06 | mheath | But you still changed the DNS stuff |
| 05:06.10 | mheath | This is the same way |
| 05:06.29 | mheath | You actuate changes on the server by using other protocols. The implementation of that is left up to individual server implementations |
| 05:08.01 | klys | well, when restricted to the protocol and using no server-aware software or scripts, the protocol makes itself a read-only system, a source system for info/meta reference |
| 05:09.12 | klys | of course I'm considering the server script a vital part of the service configuration; there's not a set protocol for that; it's less interesting |
| 05:09.57 | mheath | klys: its not appropriate to rigidly specify the capabilities of a server. |
| 05:10.01 | mheath | Look at a HTTP server |
| 05:10.07 | mheath | some literally pull files from their local hard drive |
| 05:10.27 | mheath | others dynamically create content using complex programs and dozens of remote databases |
| 05:10.31 | mheath | They both implement HTTP |
| 05:10.33 | mheath | Same thing |
| 05:11.22 | klys | right, if I'm saying anything it's this service is not meant to be used locally because of the undefined nature of interaction with the database. it is not an app for storing local info. |
| 05:13.01 | mheath | klys: not directly, no :) |
| 05:13.10 | mheath | A local implementation is very possible, though. |
| 05:17.42 | klys | nwhat's the previous project you were on? |
| 05:18.09 | mheath | Hehe. :-) |
| 05:18.16 | mheath | unimportant. |
| 05:18.34 | klys | what's important tonight |
| 05:19.02 | mheath | ObjNet? :) |
| 05:20.21 | klys | more RIAA news |
| 05:20.26 | findlay | Tene: I don't think GrUB can boot a CD :( |
| 05:20.35 | klys | it can, I have an iso |
| 05:21.04 | findlay | join #grub and see /topic |
| 05:22.18 | klys | www.megapathdsl.net/~rachel/grub_.iso |
| 05:22.23 | findlay | note that I didn't research the matter further :) |
| 05:22.25 | nick125_ | grub can boot a CD (i think)..not really easy to do, but, it's possible. |
| 05:22.33 | klys | this is grub 1, the cool grub |
| 05:22.37 | findlay | klys: what is that for? |
| 05:22.40 | klys | don't use grub 2 |
| 05:22.44 | findlay | why not? |
| 05:22.50 | klys | it's alpha |
| 05:23.04 | klys | it has too many problems with a stock dos system |
| 05:23.05 | mheath | Meh, linux users only utilize a microscopic portion of Grub features, anyway |
| 05:23.08 | mheath | might as well use LiLO |
| 05:23.09 | findlay | but why an ISO, I don't understand? |
| 05:23.17 | klys | for your laptop |
| 05:23.27 | klys | you didn't want a floppy image anyway |
| 05:23.28 | findlay | my laptop can't boot CDs |
| 05:23.43 | findlay | that's why I want grub to do it |
| 05:24.08 | klys | oh, boot from grub to a cd? |
| 05:24.12 | findlay | I want grub to give me the option to boot from the CD in the drive |
| 05:24.21 | mheath | klys: lol, missed that? I thought it was pretty clear.. |
| 05:24.34 | klys | yeah, I don't think there's a way to do that unless you have the bios for it |
| 05:25.06 | mheath | findlay: yep, only way to do it is get a kernel small enough to fit on a floppy |
| 05:25.14 | findlay | nick125_: what do you know about it? |
| 05:25.20 | mheath | Note, modules don't have to be on the floppy. |
| 05:25.24 | findlay | mheath: no floppies |
| 05:25.43 | mheath | findlay: what can it boot from? :P |
| 05:25.44 | klys | findlay: el torito specifies that the image can be as great as 2880 MB. |
| 05:25.53 | findlay | mheath: the hard drive |
| 05:26.13 | mheath | How did you get GruB on the HDD in the first place? |
| 05:26.25 | findlay | mheath: I took it out |
| 05:26.48 | mheath | Do that again. |
| 05:26.54 | findlay | why? |
| 05:27.13 | mheath | Because that'll likely be the easiest way to get anything on there. :) |
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| 05:27.21 | klys | s/sie/sie/ |
| 05:27.23 | klys | s/sie/size/ |
| 05:27.43 | findlay | mheath: I don't understand what you're trying to say |
| 05:27.59 | mheath | take out the hard drive again |
| 05:28.03 | mheath | hook it to another computer |
| 05:28.06 | mheath | create partitions on it |
| 05:28.13 | mheath | unpack the CD into one partition |
| 05:28.19 | findlay | I already did that |
| 05:28.19 | mheath | leave the other for installation |
| 05:28.36 | findlay | the OS is installed |
| 05:28.48 | klys | my kernel image is 1923320 with 272 modules |
| 05:28.53 | findlay | now I'm trying to see if I can get grub to provide missing BIOS functionality |
| 05:28.53 | mheath | findlay: uh, then why are you complaining that Grub can't boot a CD? |
| 05:28.57 | mheath | ah |
| 05:28.57 | mheath | OK |
| 05:29.02 | mheath | Nope, sorry :( |
| 05:29.24 | findlay | what else does 'grub boot a CD' mean? |
| 05:29.46 | findlay | choose this kernel, or that kernel, or chanload the CD |
| 05:29.50 | findlay | s/chan/chain/ |
| 05:31.41 | findlay | well, I think this wraps up tonight's findlay vs old hardware |
| 05:32.48 | mheath | mheath vs old hardware ended earlier today with a laptop in the trash |
| 05:33.23 | klys | mheath: what specifically is wrong with the laptop? |
| 05:33.42 | mheath | klys: broken HDD, but its such an old piece of crap its not worth replacing the hard drive in |
| 05:33.53 | klys | findlay: it means you can boot from the eltorito image stored on the cd |
| 05:34.19 | klys | findlay: ...had you already loaded grub from the cd using your bios |
| 05:34.40 | mheath | findlay: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Chainloading_a_bootable_CD-ROM_from_GRUB |
| 05:34.44 | nick125_ | findlay: I read about using grub to boot a CD somewhere, but, I don't know where. |
| 05:35.05 | klys | mheath: I bet it's better than my treasured 486 I have such problems using because of plip not working |
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| 05:35.44 | mheath | findlay: you're right, Grub CAN'T do it |
| 05:35.56 | mheath | but plenty of tiny-footprint little things that Grub CAN boot can :) |
| 05:36.32 | klys | mheath: does it get better than 66 mhz ? |
| 05:37.01 | mheath | Actually, I think it's around 400Mhz ish |
| 05:37.34 | klys | mheath: anything else not work? |
| 05:37.49 | mheath | No idea |
| 05:37.54 | mheath | but it is quite literally in the garbage |
| 05:38.06 | klys | mheath: anything broken? the screen? |
| 05:38.09 | mheath | and I'm not digging it out because you decided you wanted me to give it to you for free |
| 05:38.16 | mheath | klys: Not that I know of |
| 05:38.34 | klys | how much you want for it? |
| 05:38.36 | mheath | I succesfully installed Windows 2000 on it, but then got massive I/O errors and clicking noises from the HDD |
| 05:38.39 | mheath | thats all I know |
| 05:39.35 | mheath | go buy something equivelent off Ebay |
| 05:39.38 | mheath | less hassle on my part |
| 05:43.56 | klys | mheath: closest equivalent I could find is $64 but it has even worse problem (no ac power), closest good laptop is for $175 |
| 05:54.06 | QBFreak | any HTML gurus around? my divs are wrapping bizarrely when printing |
| 05:54.34 | klys | at least say if you're using firefox or safari |
| 05:54.45 | QBFreak | sorry, Firefox |
| 05:55.13 | QBFreak | I tried the evil IE, but I need the color backgrounds and it wont do that |
| 05:55.32 | QBFreak | http://qbfreak.net/twiki/pub/Main/Images/whattheresistor.png |
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| 06:00.01 | QBFreak | I don't even know how to phrase that to start searching google |
| 06:00.02 | Tene | Findlay: I've done it before, I thought. |
| 06:00.28 | klys | qbfreak: you'd be paying more attention to the html source |
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| 06:01.48 | QBFreak | I'm not very good at HTML, I tend to cobble together whatever appears to work |
| 06:01.55 | QBFreak | which is why I don't do web design :) |
| 06:02.11 | klys | qbfreak: then look into css at www.w3c/org |
| 06:02.16 | mheath | lol |
| 06:02.22 | klys | scuse me www.w3c.org |
| 06:03.17 | klys | mheath: don't you need $100 ? everybody does. you should sell it |
| 06:03.41 | mheath | QBFreak: Bad Boys Race Our Young Girls Behind Victory Garden Walls! Get Started Now! |
| 06:03.54 | mheath | Sorry, no help for the HTML, but the resistor codes brought back memories :P |
| 06:04.06 | mheath | klys: Sure. 0 warranties though |
| 06:04.18 | klys | I bet you could pull it off |
| 06:04.56 | mheath | And, one thing: CD-ROM drive is having some problems coming out. I think it's just because theres something slihgtly wrong when I put the case bag together after checking the HDD, and should be easy to fix |
| 06:05.00 | QBFreak | klys: I'm already using CSS with floating divs, they're just getting wrapped funny |
| 06:05.11 | mheath | QBFreak: what is that page for? :P |
| 06:05.35 | QBFreak | I intend to print it, cut them out, and apply them to my little parts drawers |
| 06:05.52 | mheath | QBFreak: you don't have it memorized? :P |
| 06:06.02 | QBFreak | no, my roommate does more of this than I do |
| 06:06.12 | QBFreak | I can make things smoke though |
| 06:07.35 | mheath | BBROYGBVGW, GSN |
| 06:07.40 | klys | haha |
| 06:07.44 | klys | waiting for me? |
| 06:07.58 | klys | anyway, I still think you could pull it off |
| 06:07.58 | mheath | Black Brown Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Violet Grey White Gold Silver None |
| 06:08.06 | mheath | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 5% 10% 20% |
| 06:08.14 | mheath | I memorized that in a day. :) |
| 06:08.21 | QBFreak | mheath: I did write the code that converts the values to the color bands |
| 06:08.25 | mheath | klys: let me go rescue it out of the garbage |
| 06:08.32 | mheath | QBFreak: ... |
| 06:09.25 | mheath | well, dad took garbage out apparently |
| 06:09.43 | mheath | klys: which means its potentailly had things spilled on it, been knocked around, and has been sitting in a hot dumpster for a while |
| 06:09.56 | mheath | If you're really interested, I'll check it in the morning and see its condition |
| 06:10.07 | klys | I doubt it, but you still haven't sold |
| 06:10.19 | mheath | make sure its booting correctly, fix that CD-ROM drive issue, etc. |
| 06:10.26 | mheath | klys: eh? |
| 06:10.46 | klys | I mean you should post it on ebay, there's a market for it |
| 06:11.08 | mheath | Nah |
| 06:11.12 | mheath | Thats definitely not worth the effort |
| 06:11.33 | klys | I've heard worse ideas |
| 06:11.43 | klys | onw time my bro. was involved in selling a mirror |
| 06:11.49 | klys | he wanted a lot for it |
| 06:15.00 | klys | mheath: I'd buy it but I can't afford it. I'd talk someone else into buying it but no one's around. |
| 06:16.42 | klys | mheath: I'd post it on the college board for you but it'd definately sell |
| 06:18.26 | klys | mheath: so let me know if you'd like the attention, I'm walking distance away from the board, there's also one at onlinewilkboard.com |
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| 06:20.30 | klys | one time I picked up a laptop at a yard sale, $50.00; no windows cd. was about 250 mhz iirc. ended up not being able to power on |
| 06:21.53 | klys | but it was good for a few months |
| 06:24.39 | klys | and when I got home I realied it was definately less than (about a third of) ebay prices |
| 06:32.24 | mheath | Night all |
| 06:32.28 | mheath | Finally time to drift off to sleep. |
| 06:32.47 | klys | ciao |
| 06:32.52 | Supaplex | laters mheath |
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| 07:30.54 | Lakshmi | SARGUN~ |
| 07:31.06 | Lakshmi | sargun |
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| 07:50.19 | Lakshmi | call 925-271-2130 conference number 789 |
| 07:54.33 | Lakshmi | herlo |
| 08:25.22 | Lakshmi | sargun xbmodder_ sargun_s1reen stop talking for a sec please |
| 08:29.19 | xbmodder_ | stop talking |
| 08:49.05 | Lakshmi | sargun .. pm |
| 09:28.55 | Lakshmi | sargun? |
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| 14:17.17 | goozbach | good morning #utah |
| 14:19.19 | herlo | goozbach: you've been watching too many movies |
| 14:19.29 | herlo | goozbach: pineapple to you too! |
| 14:24.23 | goozbach | movimovies |
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| 14:25.02 | goozbach | pineapple my good man |
| 14:25.17 | goozbach | and what about movies? |
| 14:25.27 | herlo | wyndhamification is inevitable, that is all |
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| 14:35.40 | Jayce^ | herlo, might be a touch late to the meeting. |
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| 14:38.01 | herlo | Jayce^: glad to have you |
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| 15:21.26 | tuple | sigh. I suppose all that didn't even make it here |
| 15:21.36 | tuple | weird situation here. comcast internet, wrt54g v5 router. frequently, the router goes awol. i still see the ssid, but my connection stops working altogether and when I try to (re)join the wireless network I get an error (not sure but I think dhcp failure) |
| 15:21.44 | tuple | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.50 | tuple | restarting the wrt54g (power cycle) fixes it, sometimes for hours, sometimes for minutes |
| 15:21.58 | tuple | i upgraded the firmware a couple of days ago |
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| 15:53.39 | bonez44 | any of you know how to make remote printing, via IPP or otherwise, to work? I have a networked (not attached to any PC) color laser at home, and occasionally, I'd like to route print jobs to it, from work...is this possible? |
| 15:54.49 | Tene | the traditional solution is a vpn. |
| 15:59.38 | bonez44 | just to do printing? I have never set up a vpn..but that might not be a bad idea...I often just ssh to home or work..or run scp to move files... |
| 16:03.12 | tuple | when you want to treat a remote computer as if it were on a lan, you want a vpn |
| 16:03.32 | maquis | bonez44: if you can print to it via your home machine, you could always scp the .ps file to your home machine and lpr it |
| 16:03.42 | tuple | network printing is one such example, though you _could_ set up network printing over the internet if you had a static IP and permissivity |
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| 16:31.19 | stuporglue | What would a core 2 duo do for me in a laptop that a core duo wouldn't? |
| 16:32.38 | Tene | 64-bit, I think. |
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| 16:34.12 | stuporglue | Ok, yeah, I see that now. Thanks |
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| 16:49.21 | mheath | good morning. |
| 16:50.13 | stuporglue | morning |
| 16:50.26 | Tene | morn' |
| 16:50.40 | bonez44 | maquis, ok....that sounds reasonable... |
| 16:51.11 | bonez44 | maquis, let's say I create a flyer...using oowriter...do I save it as document.ps or how best to save to have that work right? |
| 16:51.44 | bonez44 | tuple, well, I have a dynamic IP, but I have dyndns.org set up so that despite ip changes, I should be able to connect... |
| 16:51.56 | maquis | bonez44: you want to print to a file |
| 16:52.00 | maquis | that'll give you the .ps |
| 16:52.37 | Tene | bonez44: you should be able to 'print to file' or some such |
| 16:52.44 | Tene | ~maquis++ |
| 16:53.07 | bonez44 | maquis, so if I create a file I name 'flyer_july' then I save it just as that? as 'flyer_july' and then just at home 'lpr flyer_july' to print it out? |
| 16:53.16 | bonez44 | mheath, good morning |
| 16:54.23 | maquis | bonez44: create the file foo.bar where bar is whatever oowriter uses as its' file extension |
| 16:54.41 | maquis | then, pretend like you're going to print, but instead of selecting a printer, there's an option to print to a file. |
| 16:54.51 | maquis | there, one of the options should be a .ps file (postscript). |
| 16:55.07 | maquis | when you select that, and hit print, it should ask you to tell it where you want the file |
| 16:55.07 | mheath | bonez44: Note that your printer at home needs to be configured correctly to handle postscript |
| 16:55.19 | mheath | That usually means either ghostscript or an actually postscript compatible printer |
| 16:55.24 | maquis | so, you create the file by printing to it, then scp the file over, then lpr it |
| 16:58.38 | mheath | www.google.com/ig |
| 16:58.42 | mheath | erm, wrong window :P |
| 16:59.11 | mheath | I'm going to sort through all my computers today, I think. Figure out whats working and whats not.. |
| 16:59.18 | mheath | junk some, get ready to sell others, etc. |
| 17:00.48 | mheath | Supaplex: I think I have only two standard ATX cases, and they're old and simple beige. |
| 17:01.02 | Supaplex | that's cool. |
| 17:08.48 | mheath | By the way |
| 17:09.01 | mheath | If anyone has any cheap-but-decent computers they'd be willing to sell, I'd be interested |
| 17:09.17 | mheath | Preferably capable of running Windows XP |
| 17:09.36 | mheath | I'm trying to setup a desktop computer for my sister-in-law who is starting college this fall |
| 17:19.12 | bonez44 | mheath, couldn' tyou just put a box together as simply, and for less $$? |
| 17:29.23 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:29.23 | ibot | cuts sjansen into thin stripes |
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| 17:43.03 | tuple | -lart emcnabb |
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| 17:58.07 | brac | convert yottabyte |
| 18:02.42 | tensai | -chat about -lart |
| 18:02.43 | brac | -lart was |
| 18:02.51 | tensai | -chat about ~lart findlay |
| 18:02.51 | brac | ~lart findlay for his house for dinner |
| 18:02.51 | ibot | judo chops findlay for his house for dinner |
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| 18:04.28 | Lakshmi | hi everyone |
| 18:05.00 | findlay | Lakshmi! |
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| 18:06.05 | maquis | ~chat about maquis is |
| 18:06.11 | findlay | Lakshmi_! |
| 18:06.24 | maquis | -chat about maquis is |
| 18:06.24 | brac | maquis is in IVR land |
| 18:06.26 | findlay | -chat about use the - |
| 18:06.26 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 18:06.39 | findlay | -chat about use - |
| 18:06.39 | brac | use - |
| 18:06.49 | maquis | -chat about ibot is |
| 18:06.50 | brac | ibot is female, etc. |
| 18:06.52 | Lakshmi | findlay!!!! |
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| 18:20.22 | findlay | -chat about ~lart |
| 18:20.23 | brac | ~lart did |
| 18:20.23 | ibot | crushes did with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:20.48 | findlay | -chat about tensai |
| 18:20.48 | brac | tensai had a failing HD :) |
| 18:20.53 | findlay | -chat about Tene |
| 18:20.53 | brac | Tene had |
| 18:22.12 | Tene | -chat about findlay |
| 18:22.13 | brac | findlay was joking about his previous statement |
| 18:22.27 | findlay | heh |
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| 18:24.40 | Lakshmi | hii |
| 18:25.14 | findlay | hhi |
| 18:25.20 | Lakshmi | hey findlay |
| 18:25.27 | Lakshmi | hey sargun |
| 18:25.34 | Lakshmi | hey sargun_s1reen |
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| 18:30.09 | sjansen | ~hug emcnabb |
| 18:30.10 | ibot | ACTION hugs emcnabb tightly until emcnabb turns slightly blue |
| 18:31.12 | aldaek | im trying to install ubuntu/feisty onto a computer and a couple of questions came up. it said i need to get headers for feisty and the file i need. i got the file i needed, how do i get the headers... from cd? and two... i though there was modular kernel format. cant we just do that instead? if not, what happened to it? .... ok 3 questions |
| 18:34.52 | tensai | aldaek: "it said I need to get headers"... what is "it"? |
| 18:37.54 | aldaek | it being some websites i came across. but the method of gettingg those headers assumed i had internet access. the nforce board im installing linux on does not have a working internet in linux |
| 18:38.07 | aldaek | network card not found/recognized |
| 18:45.17 | tensai | aldaek: are you doing a network install or do you have the CD? |
| 18:46.33 | ScottLij | bonez44, Congrats on getting your letter published |
| 18:47.46 | aldaek | i have unfortunately a edgy cd |
| 18:48.02 | aldaek | s/a edgy/an edgy |
| 18:51.03 | aldaek | sigh. be right back |
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| 19:06.45 | findlay | idiot. I bootstrapped this system as amd64 for a pentium laptop :) |
| 19:07.58 | Tene | Heh. |
| 19:18.33 | Supaplex | that's not how you upgrade your laptop |
| 19:18.35 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 19:20.30 | sargun | hey |
| 19:21.26 | findlay | ~hey sargun |
| 19:21.27 | ibot | it has been said that sargun is bored |
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| 19:26.07 | Lakshmi | sargun |
| 19:26.15 | Supaplex | is here |
| 19:26.36 | Lakshmi | cool will he talk too? |
| 19:27.03 | Supaplex | I don't know how to train a sargun. |
| 19:27.30 | Lakshmi | me neither... u should learn though..give him a treat |
| 19:28.20 | findlay | ~treat |
| 19:28.26 | findlay | ~treat Supaplex |
| 19:28.30 | findlay | ~treat sargun |
| 19:28.35 | findlay | ~cookie |
| 19:37.43 | Lakshmi | lol |
| 19:38.03 | sargun | lol? |
| 19:38.20 | maquis | ~botsnack |
| 19:38.20 | ibot | maquis: aw, gee |
| 19:39.02 | Lakshmi | everyone loves you sargun :) |
| 19:39.09 | findlay | ~lol |
| 19:39.10 | ibot | i guess lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 19:39.16 | maquis | ~hug sargun |
| 19:39.17 | ibot | ACTION hugs sargun tightly until sargun turns slightly blue |
| 19:39.26 | Lakshmi | no hug for me? :( |
| 19:39.58 | maquis | ~whaleslap Lakshmi |
| 19:39.58 | ibot | ACTION beats Lakshmi upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:40.08 | Lakshmi | ewwww |
| 19:40.11 | Lakshmi | thats gross |
| 19:40.13 | sargun | yay! |
| 19:40.19 | Lakshmi | yay? |
| 19:40.31 | Lakshmi | ure happy im being hit by whale? |
| 19:41.31 | findlay | ~whalepunt sargun |
| 19:41.32 | ibot | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts sargun across the Solar System |
| 19:42.24 | maquis | ~trout findlay |
| 19:42.24 | ibot | ACTION slaps findlay around a bit with a large trout! |
| 19:43.13 | findlay | ~tux maquis |
| 19:43.45 | Lakshmi | mhmm :-( |
| 19:43.52 | Lakshmi | sargun got a hug and i didnt |
| 19:43.55 | Lakshmi | :'( |
| 19:44.01 | elg | ibot_: it could just as easily stand for "laughing out loud" and "lard on lollipop" |
| 19:44.04 | maquis | ~kiss Lakshmi |
| 19:44.05 | ibot | ACTION forces Lakshmi to give markl_ a big kiss on the forhead |
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| 19:44.15 | maquis | hmmm not quite what i had in mind |
| 19:44.20 | findlay | heh |
| 19:44.22 | elg | neiher of which would be terrible grammar incursions in the first person |
| 19:44.38 | maquis | ~like Lakshmi |
| 19:44.39 | ibot | ACTION smooches Lakshmi on the forehead |
| 19:44.47 | maquis | is that better? |
| 19:44.55 | findlay | ~love Lakshmi |
| 19:44.55 | ibot | If you love Lakshmi so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 19:45.03 | findlay | whatever |
| 19:45.03 | maquis | yeah findlay |
| 19:45.17 | maquis | findlay and Lakshmi sitting in a tree..... |
| 19:45.25 | findlay | only weird people get married |
| 19:45.27 | findlay | :) |
| 19:45.46 | Lakshmi | hahaa |
| 19:46.23 | elg | findlay: so you're saying that the only way normal people procreate is out of wedlock |
| 19:46.51 | findlay | no, normal people were bred out of existence long ago |
| 19:47.08 | elg | and you're the last of their kind? |
| 19:47.14 | findlay | indeed |
| 19:47.28 | maquis | findlay: doesn't that make you kind-of abnormal? |
| 19:48.00 | findlay | yes, it's ironic |
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| 19:57.12 | mheath | yah, I just defeated the copy protection of Windows 98SE |
| 19:57.23 | mheath | I succesfully transfered a 98 license sticker from one case to another :P |
| 19:57.48 | Supaplex | I place the sticker on a drive bezel. makes it easy to move. :P |
| 19:57.59 | Supaplex | or not at all ;) |
| 19:58.22 | mheath | hey, I know this isn't a Linux related question, but maybe someone will know |
| 19:58.29 | mheath | or open source |
| 19:58.51 | mheath | I know Windows 98SE isn't supported anymore...can you still download updates for it for up to when it was End of Lifed from windows update? |
| 19:59.11 | Supaplex | humm I'd ask ##windows |
| 19:59.19 | Supaplex | good question though. |
| 19:59.47 | mheath | Trying to setup a cheap little desktop for my sister in law to use for college |
| 19:59.52 | mheath | for word processing tasks, that kind of thing |
| 20:00.29 | mheath | Going to go with 98SE, just because I actually have a license for it, and I don't want to give her pirated software, and don't want to buy a copy of 2000. |
| 20:01.44 | decriptor | why not use upuntu... ooops ubuntu :) |
| 20:01.48 | mheath | Windows 2000 has copy protection and activation features built into it, doesn't it? |
| 20:01.59 | Supaplex | minimal |
| 20:02.04 | Supaplex | not like xp |
| 20:02.10 | mheath | decriptor: it's for a busy mother going to a college at a Windows-centric university. |
| 20:02.15 | Supaplex | eg, no activation |
| 20:02.23 | decriptor | UVSC :) |
| 20:02.27 | mheath | I like Ubuntu, but this just isn't the right time to introduce her to it. |
| 20:02.39 | decriptor | ah |
| 20:03.08 | mheath | decriptor: plus one of the key pieces of old hardware I'm piecing together for this system for her is a printer |
| 20:03.13 | mheath | and the printer is only supported in Windows |
| 20:03.22 | decriptor | dumb printers |
| 20:03.42 | findlay | mheath is just too lazy to reverse engineer a driver for it |
| 20:03.58 | decriptor | and while your at it do it in assembly |
| 20:04.02 | mheath | Supaplex: erm, so, could one, if one theoretically had a downloaded copy of Windows 2000 and a CD-Key from said download, get updates for that copy off Windows Update? :P |
| 20:05.17 | Supaplex | I'd try it in a vmware guest if you were curious. I dual boot (when needed) to xp. I have another "kick me in the face" testing box I put win2k3r2 on recently, but just for www.goodbye-windows.com testing |
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| 20:12.30 | Supaplex | greetings TimRiker |
| 20:13.23 | decriptor | testing goodbye windows on a windows server??? |
| 20:13.46 | decriptor | in honor of getting rid of windows I'll host this site on windows :P |
| 20:14.59 | Supaplex | testing the installer |
| 20:15.23 | Supaplex | it worked, but grub has an open bug re booting to 2k3 server |
| 20:28.06 | mrpull | isn't w2k nearly Eol'ed? |
| 20:28.16 | mheath | nah |
| 20:28.19 | beandog | no way |
| 20:28.25 | mheath | 'til 08 or 09 I believe |
| 20:28.26 | beandog | w2k is the bomb |
| 20:29.37 | mrpull | looks like mainstream support retired in 2005 |
| 20:29.45 | mrpull | but big fixes will go thru 2010 |
| 20:30.51 | mheath | so, what are the restrictions on the academic versions of Microsoft Office? |
| 20:30.57 | mheath | Just 'academic use only'? |
| 20:31.25 | mrpull | it seems they are loose. you need to be a student or work for a school |
| 20:31.29 | mrpull | and cant sell the license |
| 20:31.40 | mrpull | and may have to stop using it when you aren't a student any more |
| 20:31.52 | mheath | but while you're a student you can use it for anything? |
| 20:31.55 | mrpull | so loose in the way of not-to-loose from the perspective of a OSS guy |
| 20:31.59 | mrpull | i think so |
| 20:32.18 | mrpull | so you are looking to steal the OS and buy the office suite? |
| 20:32.29 | Jayce^ | not anything, can't use it for non 'student' work, eg at an office, for a job, etc.. |
| 20:32.41 | mheath | mrpull: what? All my MS software is legitimately licensed. |
| 20:32.58 | mrpull | and the copy of 2000 you previously asked about? |
| 20:33.01 | mrpull | different project? |
| 20:33.02 | mheath | mrpull: Or were you refering to my hypothetical question about Windows 2000? It really _was_ just a hypothetical question :P |
| 20:33.16 | mheath | and that machine will probably just have OO.org on it |
| 20:33.21 | mheath | I'm looking into office for myself |
| 20:34.22 | mrpull | is there such thing as a hypothetical question? |
| 20:35.09 | mheath | mrpull: plus, I wouldn't feel bad about installing 2000 on there |
| 20:35.13 | mheath | the machine came with 2000 installed |
| 20:35.24 | mheath | I don't feel that loosing a number revokes my right to run software I paid for. |
| 20:35.38 | mrpull | call the vendor, they'll replace it |
| 20:37.27 | mheath | mrpull: the computer is about 10 years old. It's a P2 |
| 20:37.31 | mheath | Completely out of warranty or support. |
| 20:37.47 | mrpull | how do you know it was entitled to 2K? |
| 20:37.56 | mheath | It wasn't vendor 2000. I bought 2000, since lost the key. |
| 20:39.02 | mheath | anyway, be back later... |
| 20:40.44 | findlay | are vendors those guys who restock the vending machines? |
| 20:41.00 | Tene | ~findlay++ |
| 20:41.05 | mrpull | findlay: correct |
| 20:41.12 | findlay | yay, I got it right |
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| 21:15.15 | decriptor | is there a way to make it so that mkinitrd includes certain modules |
| 21:16.44 | rsimpkins | decriptor: man mkinitrd to see how. |
| 21:25.06 | beandog | who wants to go see Star Trek II with me? |
| 21:25.18 | beandog | or, just in general. |
| 21:25.25 | findlay | where? |
| 21:25.29 | beandog | SLC |
| 21:25.46 | beandog | Tower Theater |
| 21:25.53 | beandog | July 20, 21, midnight. |
| 21:25.56 | beandog | http://saltlakefilmsociety.org/ |
| 21:28.08 | findlay | I would if I didn't have to practice tonight, and wake up tomorrow at 4:30 |
| 21:28.30 | beandog | its in 3 weeks, findlay :) |
| 21:28.33 | beandog | er, 2 weeks. |
| 21:28.36 | findlay | oh |
| 21:28.44 | beandog | yah |
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| 21:31.26 | polorix | nick125_, you here bud? |
| 22:09.56 | aldaek | im back... how do i get nforce drivers installed for setting up internet on a computer that cannot get online? |
| 22:10.44 | aldaek | everything that i come across says i need to download using apt-get linux-headers-{uname -r) which requires an internet in the first place |
| 22:11.23 | aldaek | also. can the nforce be modular. if not, why not.. and what happeneded to modular drivers? |
| 22:14.06 | rsimpkins | aldaek: Get the packages on to a CD or floppy. |
| 22:14.44 | rsimpkins | There probably is a repository with the kernel and everything you need. |
| 22:14.50 | aldaek | which packages... i have a dvd install for edgy eft and will be upgrading to feisty fawn |
| 22:15.15 | rsimpkins | I honestly don't know. |
| 22:15.20 | aldaek | and the computer in question (this one) is on win xp right now |
| 22:15.38 | aldaek | thanks for the info. |
| 22:16.51 | findlay | aldaek: why don't you just get a feisty CD from somebody? |
| 22:17.03 | findlay | it would be easier and may solve your current problem too |
| 22:17.45 | aldaek | does feisty have nforce drivers on it already? |
| 22:17.45 | findlay | I have one somewhere that I'll never use. You can have it |
| 22:18.15 | aldaek | and would you recommend a 32 bit or 64 bit o/s for my dual core amd 64 bit? |
| 22:18.24 | findlay | 64 |
| 22:18.41 | findlay | doen't really matter |
| 22:18.55 | findlay | linux doesn't have the 64 bit problems that windows does |
| 22:19.09 | aldaek | so you would recommend it over 32 bit? |
| 22:19.17 | findlay | sure |
| 22:19.26 | aldaek | do i need the main disc or the alternate install disc? |
| 22:19.47 | findlay | there are small ancillary benefits to desktop use ... if you ever install more than 4Gib of RAM :) |
| 22:20.07 | findlay | the desktop one would probably be better |
| 22:20.09 | aldaek | currently have 1 G installed |
| 22:20.47 | aldaek | i meant the main 64 bit dekstop vs the alternate install 64 bit desktop? ubuntu site itself gives those options |
| 22:21.08 | aldaek | and does it have the nforce driver already on those discs? or is it propriety enough they dont? |
| 22:21.08 | findlay | well do you want a desktop system or an alternate system? |
| 22:21.16 | findlay | I don't know |
| 22:21.31 | Tene | findlay: there are problems with linux 64-bit if you want to use some proprietary software |
| 22:21.34 | aldaek | whats the difference. there is a 3rd option of the server which im not going to use... but of the original two options.. dont know |
| 22:21.44 | findlay | Tene: I don't use proprietary software :) |
| 22:21.59 | aldaek | nforce is in question, tene. can you help? |
| 22:22.00 | Tene | but findlay!!! how do you watch youtube videos?!?! |
| 22:22.10 | Tene | aldaek: I don't know... ask me a question. |
| 22:22.10 | findlay | aldaek: you should probably go with the desktop one |
| 22:22.13 | findlay | Tene: nope |
| 22:22.21 | Tene | I'm not interested enough to read scrollback. |
| 22:22.41 | aldaek | sigh. the queston was already on the table. should i use 32/64 bit. and desktop or alternate desktop install? |
| 22:22.49 | findlay | aldaek: why don't you go down to the local bigbox and buy a NIC for $10? |
| 22:22.51 | findlay | or DI |
| 22:23.01 | findlay | in fact I have like 10 NICs right here |
| 22:23.27 | aldaek | even had an extra nic that does work with linux installed and because of the nforce chipset not having the drivers.. the network card didnt work (onboard or pci) |
| 22:23.37 | findlay | Tene will make you a necklace out of NICS |
| 22:23.57 | aldaek | still boils down to nforce drivers for me. |
| 22:24.03 | findlay | driver for what? |
| 22:24.14 | aldaek | nforce 430 chipset |
| 22:26.24 | beandog | I dont suppose anyone can recommend a good wifi pci nic |
| 22:26.33 | beandog | preferably with native linux drivers :) |
| 22:26.37 | beandog | death to that binary crap |
| 22:27.01 | findlay | ~kill binary crap |
| 22:27.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxmeson gun at binary crap |
| 22:28.35 | Tene | beandog: I've heard good things in the past about zyxel |
| 22:29.02 | beandog | oh yah, that sounds familiar |
| 22:29.19 | Tene | No personal experience, though. |
| 22:29.59 | beandog | eek, spendy |
| 22:31.03 | Supaplex | compatibility varies widely with zyxel, afaik. |
| 22:31.13 | Supaplex | I avoided the last product I looked at |
| 22:34.08 | aldaek | anyways.. so stick with the 32 bit for now until better proprietary support for 64 bit comes around? |
| 22:39.05 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166-70-238-250.ip.xmission.com) |
| 22:40.33 | sargun | donde esta findlay? |
| 22:40.55 | beandog | support for what on 64 bit? |
| 22:40.57 | aldaek | estoy waco. |
| 22:41.04 | beandog | flash is the only thing that sucks right now. |
| 22:41.05 | beandog | imo. |
| 22:41.38 | aldaek | proprietary drivers like the nforce 430 chipset |
| 22:41.43 | sargun | on what |
| 22:41.52 | aldaek | ubuntu 7.04 or 6.10 |
| 22:41.57 | beandog | nforce4?? |
| 22:42.01 | beandog | should be native in the kernel |
| 22:42.04 | aldaek | nforce 430 |
| 22:42.05 | beandog | you mean the mobo? |
| 22:42.08 | aldaek | yes |
| 22:42.19 | beandog | youll run into some newer gigabit nics that might not work very well |
| 22:42.27 | beandog | but that's gonna be the same no matter what youre running. |
| 22:42.48 | aldaek | ok.. i think i have one |
| 22:43.02 | aldaek | realtek rtl8211 (10/100/1000) |
| 22:43.07 | sargun | Do blind people have children? |
| 22:43.23 | aldaek | yes. |
| 22:44.12 | Lakshmi | how would u know |
| 22:44.36 | aldaek | blind (a state of not seeing) doesn mean they cannot reproduce |
| 22:45.02 | Lakshmi | do they aom well then? |
| 22:45.05 | Lakshmi | er |
| 22:45.07 | Lakshmi | aim |
| 22:45.16 | beandog | ah the realtek should be okay. |
| 22:45.20 | beandog | the marvell ones suck. |
| 22:45.28 | sargun | what if they went blind from radiation exposure? |
| 22:45.49 | aldaek | touch and feel aim, yes. not sight |
| 22:46.06 | sargun | not sight? |
| 22:46.17 | aldaek | if they are blind. no sight |
| 22:46.25 | Lakshmi | sargun stop being distracted! |
| 22:46.25 | mrpull | sargun: wtf sort of question is that? |
| 22:46.44 | aldaek | probably about my grammer |
| 22:46.57 | sargun | mrpull, the question "Do blind people have kids?" or "What if they went blind from radiation exposure?" |
| 22:47.02 | sargun | and Mind your language. |
| 22:47.05 | mrpull | well... both |
| 22:47.45 | mrpull | that was a BYU friendly What The Flip. What did you think I was saying? |
| 22:48.11 | rsimpkins | sargun: I know of a couple who are both blind. One of their children is blind, one is not. |
| 22:48.22 | aldaek | lol @ mrpull's statment |
| 22:48.27 | aldaek | grr. darn typos |
| 22:48.35 | sargun | mrpull, The blind people have kids was from Lakshmi -- Ask her |
| 22:49.05 | sargun | Wouldn't you not want to have kids, I mean, considering that you could possibly make your kid(s) disabled. |
| 22:49.06 | rsimpkins | Isn't Lakshmi a newscaster on NPR? |
| 22:49.11 | mrpull | 14[16:43] sargun: 01Do blind people have children? |
| 22:49.13 | Lakshmi | jaja |
| 22:49.17 | sargun | Possibly, but I doubt it. |
| 22:49.19 | mrpull | is my irc client going nuts? |
| 22:49.39 | sargun | mrpull, that was straight from Lakshmi, I'm on the phone with her, but she was too lazy to type the question, so I typed it for her. |
| 22:50.03 | rsimpkins | sargun: If a blind person is happy being blind, why should he/she not assume their child would also find joy? |
| 22:50.12 | mrpull | this is odd |
| 22:50.18 | sargun | mrpull, what is |
| 22:55.05 | rsimpkins | I HATE websites with only flash based navigation. |
| 22:55.07 | rsimpkins | What a cop out. |
| 22:59.00 | herlo | rsimpkins: flash nav is the bomb! |
| 23:01.21 | beandog | I say go for it, after going through the pain that is CSS cross-browser-compatability |
| 23:17.56 | rsimpkins | This geek squad story makes me sick. |
| 23:18.22 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: See Sound & Fury movie. |
| 23:18.38 | rsimpkins | I hope they end up explaing their actions to a judge. |
| 23:19.08 | beandog | rsimpkins: which part |
| 23:19.28 | rsimpkins | beandog: The part where they stole files from cutomer's computers for their own personal use. |
| 23:19.43 | beandog | ah, yah. |
| 23:20.02 | beandog | Im surprised they didnt notice the vnc running in the background. |
| 23:20.15 | rsimpkins | The content is pretty disturbing- but not as disturbing as stealing files from people. I hope they fire every last one of these clowns and report them to law enforcment. |
| 23:20.17 | beandog | or whatever it was. |
| 23:21.08 | rsimpkins | Never let a stranger use your computer unless you are standing right behind them and ask about everything they are doing. |
| 23:22.47 | rsimpkins | ~lart geek squad file stealers |
| 23:22.47 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at geek squad file stealers |
| 23:23.02 | beandog | I lock my desktop anytime I leave |
| 23:23.22 | beandog | er, I guess that wouldnt apply here though. |
| 23:23.26 | beandog | I dont use Windows. there we go. |
| 23:23.41 | rsimpkins | I guess I don't understand how people think this is 'normal' or that it's okay. |
| 23:23.51 | rsimpkins | "everyone does it" so what's the big deal, right? |
| 23:24.52 | rsimpkins | I'm out. |
| 23:35.45 | Lakshmi | huh |
| 23:36.29 | herlo | maquis: you'd need to load windows just for them to look at it... |
| 23:36.31 | maquis | it would be funny to see them try, though |
| 23:36.49 | findlay | rsimpkins: I disagree with the terminology. There is no such thing as 'stealing' a file |
| 23:38.06 | Lakshmi | uh hi! |
| 23:38.08 | herlo | findlay: I'd agree |
| 23:38.32 | findlay | herlo: I think that aspect of the story bothers me more than any other |
| 23:38.50 | herlo | findlay: I'm gonna use that in my defense of bittorrent and tv shows in the future |
| 23:39.07 | sargun | polorix, Gah! are you stalking me? |
| 23:39.08 | findlay | defense for what? |
| 23:39.17 | sargun | canadians! Everywhere! |
| 23:39.21 | findlay | ~shoot sargun |
| 23:39.22 | ibot | ACTION shoots sargun in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 23:39.28 | polorix | sargun, i'm in Texas.. |
| 23:39.29 | sargun | ~canada |
| 23:39.29 | ibot | i heard canada is the 52 state of America. only without all the cool shit like guns.... |
| 23:39.35 | sargun | haha. |
| 23:39.35 | polorix | i'm no canadiana |
| 23:39.52 | sargun | Wait, isn't ibot not supposed to swear? |
| 23:40.01 | findlay | ~language ibot_ |
| 23:40.02 | ibot | ACTION grabs ibot_ by the ear and washes ibot_'s mouth out with soap |
| 23:40.03 | polorix | lol wow..american mind sets |
| 23:40.07 | Lakshmi | haha |
| 23:40.11 | findlay | what's mind set? |
| 23:40.13 | findlay | I want one |
| 23:40.14 | Lakshmi | i like ibot |
| 23:40.18 | polorix | lol |
| 23:40.26 | findlay | ibot_: get me a mind set |
| 23:40.32 | findlay | with fries |
| 23:40.59 | findlay | ~make mind set |
| 23:40.59 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `mind set'. Stop. |
| 23:41.05 | findlay | :( |
| 23:41.12 | sargun | polorix, what's your phone number? |
| 23:41.24 | Lakshmi | sargun pm |
| 23:41.27 | polorix | polorix, i dont want any |
| 23:41.37 | polorix | polorix, dont want what? |
| 23:41.40 | polorix | lol |
| 23:41.47 | sargun | ... |
| 23:41.51 | polorix | sargun, i dont want what you'r selling |
| 23:42.11 | sargun | i want your phone number though |
| 23:42.23 | sargun | I've now brought polorix Lakshmi, and nick125__ here! |
| 23:42.34 | Lakshmi | i want someone to talk to me |
| 23:42.53 | sargun | Lakshmi, then get polorix's phone number |
| 23:43.19 | Lakshmi | why? have him call in |
| 23:44.03 | polorix | little sargun and his asterisk box |
| 23:45.23 | Lakshmi | sargun aim better. or something |
| 23:45.41 | polorix | cant find the hole? |
| 23:45.43 | polorix | xD |
| 23:45.44 | *** part/#utah polorix (n=polorix@customer-190-242.etbroadband.net) |
| 23:46.56 | Lakshmi | ~ sargun |
| 23:46.56 | ibot | sargun is, like, bored |
| 23:47.09 | Lakshmi | ~ smack sargun |
| 23:47.09 | ibot | ACTION smacks sargun upside the head. |
| 23:47.23 | Lakshmi | ~ make sargun talk |
| 23:47.23 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `sargun talk'. Stop. |
| 23:47.32 | Lakshmi | ~ sargun talk |
| 23:47.33 | ibot | go away Tene |
| 23:47.46 | sargun | haha, you're mean |
| 23:47.52 | sargun | ~lart Lakshmi |
| 23:47.52 | ibot | forces Lakshmi to use Outlook Express |
| 23:48.11 | Lakshmi | eww that thingy doesnt lijk work on my compy |
| 23:48.18 | Lakshmi | -ever- |
| 23:48.28 | Lakshmi | ~ hug sargun |
| 23:48.28 | ibot | ACTION hugs sargun tightly until sargun turns slightly blue |
| 23:48.42 | Lakshmi | ~ sargun aim |
| 23:48.43 | ibot | go away Tene |
| 23:49.12 | Lakshmi | ~ ibot_ |
| 23:49.12 | ibot | ibot_ is probably not me |
| 23:49.29 | sargun | lol |
| 23:49.30 | Lakshmi | sargun \ |
| 23:51.24 | Lakshmi | sargun .. txt my phone pleaes.. or call me.. kk thanks |
| 23:53.38 | sargun | wait |
| 23:53.41 | sargun | where you going |
| 23:57.24 | Lakshmi | no where |
| 23:57.31 | Lakshmi | dwn stairs |
| 23:58.02 | Lakshmi | but now im back |
| 23:59.03 | *** join/#utah vontrapp (n=von@70.102.163.132) |
