| 00:08.00 | *** join/#utah hatul30 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6b5fd3c1ecd00763) |
| 00:15.07 | *** join/#utah macintard (n=astromac@macintard.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 01:02.29 | mheath | tensai: IT is 'digital' in that it shows 1x |
| 01:02.48 | mheath | My point is, though, I know that Verizon requires their extended EV-DO broadband wireless network for all their data stuff now |
| 01:03.08 | nick125_ | They still have areas of 1x data though. |
| 01:03.17 | nick125_ | (as far as I know of) |
| 01:03.29 | mheath | Let me clarify |
| 01:03.36 | mheath | I want a cell phone that works like a modem |
| 01:03.57 | mheath | IE, data in sound form traveling the same way sound usually travels on the phone |
| 01:04.01 | mheath | Don't want some digital network requirement |
| 01:04.09 | mheath | Don't care about broadband phones |
| 01:04.24 | mheath | This is used to be so simple with my dads ollllld brick phone...it had a normal phone jack on the side of it |
| 01:05.05 | nick125_ | There's a way to do it, but, in the most part, it might be cheaper and faster to use EVDO |
| 01:05.24 | mheath | I don't WANT EVDO, though |
| 01:05.43 | mheath | because if I'm in a place so densely populated that it has EVDO, chances are I'd be able to get internet conventionally |
| 01:06.02 | mheath | I'm looking for out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-where-I-wouldn't-normally-have-internet connectivity |
| 01:06.19 | nick125_ | You can also use 1xRTT which is around 144kbit |
| 01:06.43 | mheath | now we're getting somewhere |
| 01:06.50 | mheath | I can do data transfer on 1X? |
| 01:07.04 | nick125_ | 1xRTT/CDMA2000 is data/voice |
| 01:07.20 | mheath | O.o |
| 01:07.30 | mheath | This is all really confusing. I don't know any of the terminology. |
| 01:10.12 | nick125_ | Basically, if you have CDMA (digital) access, you *should* have 1xRTT |
| 01:10.34 | mheath | I remember back in the modem days, they had a phone coupler modem thing |
| 01:10.52 | mheath | It literally coupled onto a landline handset, converting it into a modem when you didn't have a jack |
| 01:10.59 | mheath | Wish they had something like that for cell phones |
| 01:11.00 | mheath | anyway |
| 01:11.05 | mheath | Time to go play WoW |
| 01:11.08 | mheath | need to get my Fel Hunter! |
| 01:11.32 | nick125_ | There are some phones on GSM that will allow you to use them like a regular modem |
| 01:11.43 | nick125_ | It's limited to around 14.4kbps, I think |
| 01:15.24 | mheath | I have verizon, though... |
| 01:16.42 | *** join/#utah synic (n=squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 01:17.07 | mheath | I should have gotten out of my verizon contract while i was still in a no-coverage area |
| 01:17.10 | mheath | so I could have done it for free |
| 01:17.32 | mheath | at the very least I would have been able to get a new contract and not have a crappy phone after my nice one broke |
| 01:19.36 | mheath | whats veryones opinions of cell providers? |
| 01:19.40 | mheath | Not sure if I should stick with verizon or not |
| 01:20.30 | nick125_ | Verizon is usually overpriced on everything. |
| 01:22.16 | mheath | nick125_: what do you prefer, as far as a carrier? |
| 01:23.01 | nick125_ | I'm still with t-mobile here, it's inexpensive, but, their data sucks. And their plans to go to 3G are kind of a "Well, no one wants 3G, so, let's sit on it." |
| 01:23.37 | sjansen | Sprint has the been data plans I've seen so far. |
| 01:24.42 | mheath | How is Sprint's coverage? (both nationwide overall and locally) |
| 01:24.42 | sjansen | About a year ago I wanted to get off of Sprint. No surprise, I rediscovered that all phone companies are evil. As it goes, Sprint isn't worst and I guess that's something. |
| 01:25.00 | nick125_ | Their data plans are pretty decent, but, they don't have EvDO in albuq., and I've heard some pretty bad stories about their CS. |
| 01:25.10 | mheath | uh |
| 01:25.21 | mheath | I don't really care about albuqurque :P |
| 01:25.33 | sjansen | Coverage is okayish. I'm usually able to get some sort of CDMA signal. Don't know about EVDO coverage. |
| 01:25.45 | nick125_ | mheath: I'm sure you wouldn't, but, I'm just saying my reason for not switching to them. |
| 01:25.49 | mheath | AT&T has something other than EVDO, don't they? |
| 01:25.56 | nick125_ | UMTS/HSDPA |
| 01:26.04 | mheath | How is it? |
| 01:26.29 | nick125_ | AT&T's network for the most part is pretty crappy. A lot of dropped calls. |
| 01:26.40 | nick125_ | I haven't played with their data though. |
| 01:26.52 | sjansen | Here's how I look at it: AT&T was the most desperate to get iPhone for its networks. |
| 01:27.23 | nick125_ | Ugh, don't even mention the entire iPhone fiasco |
| 01:27.39 | mheath | I've heard its not too impressive for how expensive it is |
| 01:27.39 | sjansen | And now things are going to be worse because they've got a flood of new customers. Trapped customers giving them little incentive to improve. |
| 01:27.48 | mheath | Question |
| 01:28.08 | mheath | Treo's and such...would there data mode/internet access work in areas where my cell phone shows 1x? |
| 01:28.11 | mheath | Or does it require EV-DO? |
| 01:28.38 | sjansen | Depends on the model. Newer models (I believe) require EVDO. |
| 01:28.39 | nick125_ | mheath: They will work in 1xRTT areas |
| 01:28.49 | nick125_ | sjansen: Nah, they will fallback to 1x if they don't have EVDO |
| 01:29.05 | mheath | bah, I'm still locked into a contract with verzion though |
| 01:29.06 | mheath | with a cheap phone |
| 01:29.22 | mheath | I don't even want to think about how much something like a treo costs without a contract X_ |
| 01:29.26 | mheath | X_X |
| 01:30.08 | nick125_ | Well, you can probably renew your contract with Verizon, you probably won't get a huge fancy discount |
| 01:30.19 | nick125_ | Without contract, it's about $400-$600 |
| 01:30.29 | mheath | still awhile before conract expires |
| 01:30.40 | mheath | Can I extend it before it expires and still get a discount on a new phone? O.o |
| 01:31.38 | nick125_ | mheath: I think you can, but, I'm not sure on the specifics on how verizon works with discounting |
| 01:32.25 | mheath | I'm thinking about getting a data phone |
| 01:32.30 | mheath | thats more of a want than a need |
| 01:34.24 | mheath | I'm excited about releasing objnet :) |
| 01:35.19 | sjansen | Do you have free roaming? One method I've heard of to get out of contracts early is to use every opportunity to make calls while roaming. |
| 01:35.36 | mheath | sjansen: I do, but I'm not often in a position to do so anymore |
| 01:36.10 | mheath | I had a perfect opportunity to get out of the contract (while I was living n the Naval Weapons station in charleston, where they have no coverage) and passed it up |
| 01:37.28 | mheath | then my out-of-warranty cell phone broke |
| 01:37.35 | mheath | and now I have a really, really cheap phone |
| 01:37.40 | mheath | old, refurbished nokia |
| 01:37.51 | mheath | Still ran me $90 since there was no contract |
| 01:39.24 | Tene | I bought my treo 650 for $100 |
| 01:39.55 | Tene | not from sprint. |
| 01:40.16 | findlay | I want a trio |
| 01:40.46 | mheath | Tene: where'd you get it? |
| 01:40.58 | mheath | woot |
| 01:41.10 | mheath | "You have learned a new spell: Summon Felhunter (Summon)." |
| 01:41.22 | findlay | Tene: yeah, it's like a trio sonota? |
| 01:44.37 | mheath | Hmm |
| 01:48.20 | Tene | mheath: buying it from my old company soon. My boss gave it to me to use when he upgraded. |
| 01:48.47 | findlay | tensai: http://jfindlay.us/tensai/Raphael_Kubelik/Berliner_Philharmoniker/Dvorak/Symphonies/4/ |
| 01:48.50 | brac | [Index of /tensai/Raphael_Kubelik/Berliner_Philharmoniker/Dvorak/Symphonies/4] |
| 01:51.12 | findlay | tensai: for your listening enjoyment in spite of CD scratches |
| 01:52.03 | Tene | He got his 700 off of ebay for $150 I think. |
| 01:52.23 | Tene | findlay: I don't know what that means |
| 01:54.03 | mheath | ah, cool |
| 01:54.10 | mheath | Ebay seems to have 650's for $150 |
| 01:56.13 | Tene | I like my 650. IlLm using it *right now* |
| 01:56.22 | Tene | s/ll/'/ |
| 01:56.38 | mheath | you can ssh and such? |
| 01:57.06 | Tene | yeah, ssh |
| 02:05.23 | findlay | wow |
| 02:05.44 | findlay | someday I'll be cool and make typos over ssh in irssi on my trio like Tene |
| 02:11.22 | Tene | findlay: you wish. |
| 02:11.37 | findlay | you just wait and see |
| 02:11.44 | findlay | someday I *will* be cool |
| 02:11.48 | nick125_ | SSH over EDGE is painful. |
| 02:12.11 | findlay | and I'm going to clean up this town! |
| 02:13.35 | Tene | you'll never be as cool as us, findlay. you'll always be an outsider! |
| 02:13.48 | findlay | nuh uh! |
| 02:17.25 | findlay | ~unoutside findlay |
| 02:46.56 | mheath | hey...in the past someone had been trying to impress me of the quality of their college study-time-management website thing. Anyone remember whot hat was / what their site was? |
| 02:47.27 | mheath | ~logs |
| 02:47.28 | ibot | well, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:49.05 | *** join/#utah pmcnabb (n=peter@c-24-10-165-203.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 02:49.12 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=mike@66.7.125.119) |
| 02:50.12 | *** join/#utah hatul30 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-cf0e911dfb5b69c6) |
| 02:52.29 | graphyx | herlo: games tonight? |
| 02:53.00 | *** topic/#utah by graphyx -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | renting is not fun. |
| 02:55.37 | mheath | when did they close off the submission of new papers for Utah OSC? |
| 02:56.40 | mheath | I could have given a presentation on the Hurd :P |
| 04:42.52 | *** join/#utah tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@ip70-190-51-106.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:52.51 | *** join/#utah levi_home (n=levi@c-24-10-235-9.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:53.13 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 05:18.02 | mheath | Evening levi_home |
| 05:23.11 | levi_home | Wassup? |
| 05:28.00 | mheath | Nothing, just finished playing WoW. |
| 05:28.26 | mheath | Leveled up, had a good time running a couple of instances, and got soome good gear. A good nice :) |
| 05:29.46 | levi_home | I've been house shopping all day. |
| 05:29.55 | levi_home | Made an offer on a home in Lehi. |
| 05:29.56 | mheath | I've set two goals for myself for tomorrow: |
| 05:30.03 | mheath | I'm going to decide on and register for classes |
| 05:30.11 | mheath | and I'm going to go see transformers P |
| 05:30.12 | mheath | :P |
| 05:30.55 | mheath | I'm still trying to decide on what classes to take |
| 05:31.01 | mheath | Decided to just do generals for now |
| 05:31.05 | Tene | underwater basketweaving |
| 05:31.13 | mheath | I'm pretty sure I'm not going to do my CS stuff at WSU |
| 05:31.25 | mheath | The more I read/hear/understand about their CS program, the less impressed I am. |
| 05:31.32 | Tene | good plan |
| 05:31.37 | Tene | I've heard it's terrible |
| 05:31.58 | levi_home | Getting generals out of the way can be a good thing, though I liked having them mixed in with others. |
| 05:32.05 | mheath | Their website reads somewhat like an ad for a 2 year technical college. |
| 05:32.23 | mheath | levi_home: I'm trying to select generals I'll enjoy. |
| 05:32.38 | mheath | Not sure waht to take for math though |
| 05:32.55 | mheath | WSU's CS program requires Pre-Calc, but I'm betting if I transfer to another university their requirements would be more demanding |
| 05:33.40 | levi_home | Yes, you'll almost certainly need calc. |
| 05:33.53 | levi_home | Possibly linear algebra, and probably statistics as well. |
| 05:33.55 | mheath | Not sure I'm ready to take calc, though |
| 05:34.06 | mheath | need to get warmed up and back into the swing of public education first |
| 05:34.19 | mheath | Haven't had difficult math in a while |
| 05:34.53 | mheath | Navy nuke math was essentially a review of algebra, with a heavy, heavy stress on following their rules, formats, etc. More an exercise in getting you used to the nuke school system than anything, |
| 05:35.46 | levi_home | Calc really isn't very hard; it's primarily a matter of memorizing techniques for doing things. |
| 05:36.04 | levi_home | And knowing when to apply them. |
| 05:36.41 | levi_home | Math starts to get hard when you have to prove things. But then you know you're doing real math. :) |
| 05:40.01 | mheath | I really need to register for classes tomorrow though |
| 05:40.12 | mheath | I've been putting off getting a job until I figure out my schedule |
| 05:42.15 | mheath | I wonder what kind of undergraduate qualifications you'd have to get to get accepted at a university like MIT for a graduate program. |
| 06:18.58 | nick125_ | I wonder when Gentoo is going to stablize python 2.5 |
| 06:40.42 | *** join/#utah ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 10:50.44 | *** join/#utah hatul30 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-e4cd630c370a3597) |
| 11:07.51 | sjansen | I wonder who hid my cheese. |
| 11:58.04 | *** join/#utah hatul30 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-24231d93f5a8f3ee) |
| 12:29.27 | *** join/#utah tristanbob (n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob) |
| 13:11.44 | *** join/#utah hatul30 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-eaa096ca64c2a0b7) |
| 14:17.48 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 14:17.49 | ibot | slaps tristanbob around with a large trout |
| 15:15.47 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208.64.90.18.static.utahbroadband.com) |
| 15:23.43 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:01.51 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:01.53 | ibot | beats jlp_work senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 16:07.42 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:21.30 | goozbach | moose!!! |
| 16:21.38 | goozbach | yay unemployed |
| 16:21.45 | goozbach | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:21.45 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on sjansen |
| 16:21.54 | goozbach | stealing columbus from me |
| 16:21.56 | goozbach | bah! |
| 16:21.59 | goozbach | bah I say |
| 16:22.15 | sjansen | ~shear goozbach |
| 16:23.10 | sjansen | ~sheer goozbach |
| 16:24.41 | levi_home | Morning. |
| 16:24.48 | levi_home | Happy 4th to you all. :) |
| 17:06.34 | *** join/#utah ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 17:11.52 | *** join/#utah vontrapp (n=von@70.102.163.132) |
| 17:16.34 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:17.29 | vontrapp | a møøse once bit my sister |
| 17:18.44 | mheath | what is taht supposed to say? Moose? |
| 17:19.15 | mheath | what's weird about it? In my irc client itshows up as m(accented A)(comma)(accented A)(comma)se |
| 17:27.33 | vontrapp | that's because your termy doesn't do unicode properly |
| 17:28.18 | mheath | why are _those_ letters special, though? |
| 17:28.34 | mheath | Why are they unicode rather than a plan old "o"? |
| 17:28.38 | mheath | ~lart the British |
| 17:28.38 | ibot | cuts off the British's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 17:28.47 | mheath | yah, independence. |
| 17:28.47 | vontrapp | because they're not plain o's |
| 17:30.38 | vontrapp | mheath: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00f8/index.htm |
| 17:33.13 | emcnabb | man, I haven't been on IRC much at all recently |
| 17:33.39 | mheath | grrr |
| 17:33.44 | mheath | This makes me LIVID. |
| 17:34.21 | mheath | So, boy scouts in our area did a service project a while back...you paid them a yearly charge for them to put a flag out in your yard every holiday that warrants it |
| 17:34.28 | mheath | Obviously they did it this morning |
| 17:34.48 | mheath | Our flag FELL DOWN, and I just looked outside for the first time this morning. |
| 17:35.05 | mheath | I saw two people walk past the american flag laying on the freakin ground who didn't do a think |
| 17:35.10 | mheath | WTF? |
| 17:35.33 | Tene | That's likely what I would have done. |
| 17:35.41 | Tene | convince me that I should do differently. |
| 17:35.45 | emcnabb | same here; it's not my lawn |
| 17:35.58 | emcnabb | mheath: aren't you supposed to be defending my freedom right now? |
| 17:36.08 | emcnabb | or have I missed something on IRC recently |
| 17:36.35 | mheath | emcnabb: I was discharged from the Navy (psh, even if I wasn't, I'd be off today :P) |
| 17:36.52 | emcnabb | wow, out of the Marines and the Navy? |
| 17:37.08 | mheath | Yes. |
| 17:37.26 | emcnabb | have you given up yet? |
| 17:37.33 | mheath | ..... |
| 17:38.13 | mheath | emcnabb: I had some really bad problems with depression. I attempted suicide, ended up spending a week in a mental health hospital, and ended up getting discharged |
| 17:38.28 | mheath | emcnabb: A military career meant more to me than you can possible immagine |
| 17:38.40 | mheath | Please don't joke about if I've "given up yet" or not. |
| 17:39.20 | mheath | It would actually probably be quite easy for me to get back in |
| 17:39.34 | mheath | As their is nothing about my knee in any of the documentation that I got kicked out for |
| 17:39.53 | emcnabb | yeah, the military is desperate right now |
| 17:40.01 | vontrapp | pick up your own flag |
| 17:40.11 | emcnabb | please don't waste any more of my tax dollars |
| 17:40.29 | mheath | All I'd have to do is contest their decision to discharge me, whcih would be easy as the psychiatrist who did the deciding evaluation lied through his teeth on it, and had the entire thing typed up before I even met with him. |
| 17:40.45 | mheath | emcnabb: WHAT? WASTE YOUR TAX DOLLARS? |
| 17:41.06 | mheath | You mean like how I'm paying thousands of dollars in medical bills I shouldn't be paying, because the doctor didn't put the referal in the system correctly? |
| 17:41.15 | emcnabb | I'm sure they've spent plenty of money to not have a soldier |
| 17:41.41 | mheath | Or perhaps how I'm paying a couple hundred dollars because another medical provider decided to abuse the one tricare policy that allows them to charge me money even when it WAS approved |
| 17:41.54 | emcnabb | mheath: not my problem |
| 17:42.33 | emcnabb | if you're so patriotic, go pick up flags in your neighborhood |
| 17:42.55 | mheath | emcnabb: Don't complain that I'm wasting your tax money when I'm getting screwed and having to pay myself thousands of dollars that should have come from 'your' tax money! |
| 17:43.41 | mheath | vontrapp: I already picked up the flag, obviously. |
| 17:43.48 | mheath | This is absolutely rediculous. Grrr... |
| 17:44.06 | emcnabb | you're still wasting the military's resources, which in the end falls back on American citizens |
| 17:44.52 | Tene | ~lart emcnabb for getting mheath started discussing something else before he could answer Tene's question. |
| 17:44.52 | ibot | plops emcnabb into a giant vat of herring for getting mheath started discussing something else before he could answer Tene's question. |
| 17:45.06 | emcnabb | I mean, I can see it happening one time, but twice? When does the madness stop? |
| 17:45.18 | emcnabb | Tene: sorry |
| 17:45.27 | Tene | emcnabb: I think this is a bit much. |
| 17:45.37 | emcnabb | Tene: yeah, I'll stop |
| 17:45.40 | mheath | emcnabb: you do know your giving me crap about alot of stuff tha caused me to attempt to commit suicide a few months ago, right? |
| 17:45.44 | Tene | Thanks. That was out of line. |
| 17:45.45 | mheath | Your RIGHT! |
| 17:45.50 | mheath | I probably set a freakin world record |
| 17:45.58 | mheath | FIRST PERSON TO BE KICKED OUT OF THE MILITARY TWICE BEFORE THEY WERE 18! |
| 17:45.59 | mheath | YAH! |
| 17:46.07 | mheath | I'm obviously TRYING to FAIL! |
| 17:46.10 | emcnabb | naw, I'm sure it has been done before |
| 17:46.11 | mheath | I'm obviously MAKING THINGS UP! |
| 17:46.17 | mheath | Yeah, like my chief said |
| 17:46.24 | mheath | "You're just telling the doctors the wrong things!" |
| 17:46.37 | mheath | He kept inventing freakin stories about how I WANTED to be kicked out |
| 17:46.53 | mheath | "Oh, your dads a high ranking retired officer...he must have forced you into a military career!" |
| 17:47.17 | emcnabb | I mean, what do you expect people say if you air your dirty laundry on an IRC channel? |
| 17:47.28 | mheath | emcnabb: I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING |
| 17:47.33 | emcnabb | Tene: I'm really trying to stop :-) |
| 17:47.38 | mheath | THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I MENTIONED BRIEFLY ABOUT AM ONTH AGO AND DROPPED. |
| 17:47.43 | mheath | YOUR the one that came in and started giving me crap |
| 17:47.52 | emcnabb | like I said, I haven't been on IRC in a while |
| 17:48.02 | Tene | emcnabb: Perhaps you should step away from your IRC client if you can't stop. |
| 17:48.11 | mheath | I tried to answer your question simply and quickly ("I've been discharged from the Navy") and you CONTINUED to give me crap. |
| 17:48.25 | emcnabb | Tene: good idea, /me steps away... |
| 17:48.40 | Tene | mheath: Yeah, he was harassing you. He's gone now. Time to settle down again. |
| 17:49.03 | mheath | emcnabb: Before you give me crap about "wasting your tax dollars" how about you consider which one of us has tried over and over again, had it be more important to them than ANYTHING, the simple goal of serving our country |
| 17:49.25 | mheath | Christ, people in here talk like it's OK to walk past an American Flag laying on the ground like its no big deal. |
| 17:49.28 | mheath | Grrr.. |
| 17:49.53 | Tene | And I'm left *still* curious about why it's not. |
| 17:50.28 | mheath | Tene: Because it represents your country. |
| 17:50.29 | emcnabb | Tene: no pouting |
| 17:50.39 | mheath | I don't care if you don't like your politicians, or their policies |
| 17:50.58 | mheath | The great thing about America is not that its perfect, but that it recovers from its mistakes better than any other country |
| 17:51.17 | Tene | It doesn't represent that to me. To me, it's just a piece of fabric with pretty colors. |
| 17:51.28 | mheath | You're throwing tradition, and reverence, and respect, and patriotism, out the window all at once |
| 17:52.12 | mheath | Plus, several veterans live here. At this house, that flag represents 23 years of honorable military service. |
| 17:52.31 | levi_home | Woot, I'm under contract to buy a house now. :) |
| 17:52.37 | Tene | levi: nice. :) |
| 17:52.43 | emcnabb | levi_home: congrats |
| 17:52.44 | mheath | levi_home: grats. |
| 17:52.51 | mheath | Grrr |
| 17:53.00 | Tene | mheath: why are patriotism and tradition things to be valued? |
| 17:53.34 | mheath | Tene: ...Spoken just like the people in the Navy who couldn't understand why I was so attached to the navy |
| 17:53.48 | mheath | "why do you care so much? you can find a job out in the civilian world doing the same thing..." |
| 17:53.52 | mheath | "Because it's more than a job." |
| 17:54.10 | levi_home | Ahh, it's get mheath's goat day, eh? |
| 17:54.12 | emcnabb | Tene: step away from the IRC client :-) |
| 17:54.15 | Tene | I've honestly never heard a decent explanation for that. I've only ever heard people act like it's something inherently built-in to humans that I should value for its own sake. |
| 17:54.37 | vontrapp | firefox used to have a way to specify fonts for unicode |
| 17:54.42 | mheath | Tene: No, its because of the history. what its come to represent over time. |
| 17:54.44 | vontrapp | that option is gone now |
| 17:54.57 | vontrapp | and now i can't get khmer in my browser |
| 17:55.02 | mheath | Tene: The flag is a symbol that millions of men have died in direct support of |
| 17:55.10 | mheath | Both symbolically and literally, rallying around the flag |
| 17:55.38 | mheath | It's a symbol that has signified everything from freedom, to preservation of rights, to liberation. |
| 17:55.38 | Tene | Hmm. |
| 17:56.31 | Tene | So I should respect it not because of what it might or might not mean to me, but because by not doing so, I'm disrespecting many other people? |
| 17:56.47 | vontrapp | nobody fought for or around the flag in your yard |
| 17:57.05 | mheath | This is one of my favorite poems..First heard it spoken during the retirement of a Naval captain who had been in for 20 years....: http://www.usa.patriotism.com/poems/old_glory1.htm |
| 17:58.07 | mheath | It's a nasty site, I agree with you |
| 17:58.16 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.24 | mheath | Its the text on it I was pointing you to |
| 17:59.11 | mheath | vontrapp: "A [flag] is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, [a symbol] can change the world." :) |
| 17:59.19 | mheath | I like that quote too |
| 18:00.21 | Tene | Okay, I think I understand a bit better now. Thanks. |
| 18:00.34 | vontrapp | and how come there's only two choices for proportional fonts in firefox? that's just retarded |
| 18:02.09 | vontrapp | i think the flag has less sentimental value these days because it has been way overused in commercialism (esp car commercials with all that yelling) |
| 18:02.23 | mheath | vontrapp: and that disgusts me |
| 18:02.32 | mheath | i hate american flag print ___________ |
| 18:02.33 | vontrapp | IT'S A FLAG!! BUY A CAR!! OMG DEALZ |
| 18:02.38 | mheath | I hate commercial use |
| 18:02.55 | vontrapp | flag print? |
| 18:03.05 | vontrapp | ah, like wrapping paper |
| 18:03.06 | mheath | It matters to me when it is a solemn, simple, reverent symbol of something thats important to people. |
| 18:03.28 | mheath | vontrapp: anything with a flag printed on it other than a flag |
| 18:03.46 | mheath | T-Shirts, pants, underwear, wrapping paper, lawn chairs |
| 18:04.01 | vontrapp | captain america |
| 18:04.16 | vontrapp | (spandex) |
| 18:04.39 | mheath | He is not the flag, I thought. I thought he was just red-white-and-blue. |
| 18:04.46 | mheath | Maybe I'm remembering wrong |
| 18:04.56 | vontrapp | maybe not |
| 18:05.20 | vontrapp | nothing wrong with captain vegetable, though |
| 18:05.43 | vontrapp | -lart firefok |
| 18:05.45 | vontrapp | *X |
| 18:05.47 | vontrapp | ggrr |
| 18:17.42 | *** join/#utah linuxalien (n=astromac@oalug/member/linuxalien) |
| 18:19.16 | linuxalien | Happy 4th |
| 18:23.35 | mheath | Indeed |
| 18:42.22 | linuxalien | I feel the need for some Quake 4. bbl |
| 19:00.41 | *** join/#utah Lakshmi_______ (n=chatzill@adsl-69-109-127-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 19:02.59 | *** join/#utah Lakshmi_______ (n=chatzill@adsl-69-109-127-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 20:16.17 | mheath | decided on classes |
| 20:16.20 | mheath | just some general ed |
| 20:16.42 | mheath | Intro to Philosophy, Elementary Physics, Pre-Calc, Intro to Comparative Politics, Intermediate Writing |
| 21:12.13 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=mike@66.7.125.119) |
| 21:16.43 | graphyx | anyone actually here? |
| 21:18.23 | vontrapp | -pounce graphyx |
| 21:18.31 | vontrapp | ~pounce graphyx |
| 21:18.32 | ibot | ACTION jumps on graphyx and bounces around Tigger style |
| 21:23.07 | graphyx | well that is a bit better. |
| 21:23.09 | graphyx | thanks. |
| 21:24.46 | tensai | ~findlay++ |
| 21:54.21 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@208.53.47.251) |
| 22:01.00 | *** join/#utah tuple (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:12.25 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:15.26 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:17.27 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@032-334-646.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:20.07 | graphyx | so anyone doing any thing cool today? |
| 22:20.37 | nick125_ | Working on my blog |
| 22:47.24 | *** join/#utah tuple (n=fugalh@c-76-23-34-128.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:24.53 | klys | we were just having a 4th of july dinner |
| 23:24.55 | klys | brisquet, boston baked beans, pork chops, and corn on the cob |