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| 00:49.13 | Lakshmi | hey |
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| 00:57.13 | klys | hey man |
| 00:58.06 | klys | well, it crashes and requires reboot |
| 00:58.22 | klys | versions 2.11.4-1, 1.0.0 |
| 00:58.42 | klys | ...of libdirectfb-dev, libgtk-directfb-2.0-dev |
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| 02:03.36 | Lakshmi | mwhaha i beat the evil internet .. im back! |
| 02:03.52 | Tene | lies |
| 02:04.08 | Lakshmi | i know |
| 02:04.12 | Lakshmi | but im back for now |
| 02:04.16 | Lakshmi | doesnt that count? |
| 02:04.54 | Tene | no |
| 02:05.03 | Lakshmi | why not? |
| 02:08.54 | klys | lakshmi: probably, the last 15 lines on my terminal, is why not |
| 02:09.55 | Lakshmi | klys: say wha? |
| 02:10.22 | klys | hey you can say that again dude, what ever you think. remember to paste something from /etc too |
| 02:10.36 | Lakshmi | hun |
| 02:10.38 | Lakshmi | er |
| 02:10.40 | Lakshmi | huh?> |
| 02:15.31 | klys | Lakshmi__ Lakshmi__ Lakshmi__Lakshmi___ Lakshmi Lakshmi____ Lakshmi_____ Lakshmi______ Lakshmi______ Lakshmi__ Lakshmi___ Lakshmi____ Lakshmi_____ Lakshmi back Lakshmi Lakshmi but back for now Lakshmi that Lakshmi why Lakshmi wha Lakshmi huh Lakshmi confused: hey man |
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| 02:22.22 | findlay | and give us your root pw |
| 02:26.47 | herlo | findlay: NEVER!!!! |
| 02:26.53 | herlo | ~root findlay |
| 02:26.53 | ibot | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all findlay 's boxen. |
| 02:30.13 | Lakshmi | klys: still confused |
| 02:30.52 | herlo | Lakshmi: you can safely ignore the warnings from klys |
| 02:30.54 | herlo | :) |
| 02:31.05 | Lakshmi | herlo: i can? |
| 02:32.09 | klys | no pending danger is surely as impatient, no, then no need for worrying |
| 02:32.43 | rsimpkins | I can't help people unless they are at least partially competent. |
| 02:33.10 | klys | just treat them like they know everything, they might start to mean what they say |
| 02:33.20 | rsimpkins | Some how they manage to get connected to IRC, then loose the ability to use punctuation keys. |
| 02:33.51 | klys | meaning: me! bahahaha |
| 02:33.58 | herlo | Lakshmi: yes... |
| 02:34.31 | herlo | rsimpkins: its all that 733t sp34k |
| 02:35.22 | rsimpkins | herlo: No, this is by far worse than that. A whole new geek culture is erupting filled with know-nothings that don't care, who combine horrible english with SMS shortcuts. |
| 02:35.38 | rsimpkins | Maybe they are all accessing IRC via their cell phones or something. |
| 03:06.52 | nick125_ | rsimpkins: I truely hate those kinds of people. |
| 03:16.01 | herlo | rsimpkins: yeah, I basically was implying such a thing |
| 03:27.38 | mheath | evening all |
| 03:27.41 | klys | hil |
| 03:27.52 | klys | how be the tides |
| 03:28.26 | mheath | ....You remind me of the annoying host who tried to joke with me when I came in to eat at their restraunt in uniform |
| 03:28.38 | mheath | "Any news from the seven seas?" |
| 03:29.33 | rsimpkins | mheath: You should have said "Yeah, it's wet out there. Ha ha ha ha ha." |
| 03:30.21 | nick125_ | Anyone here have a working python nanorc highlighting file that actually works with docstrings? |
| 03:30.38 | mheath | rsimpkins: Unfortunately I lack your amazing sense of humor :( |
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| 03:38.25 | klys | oo he's back |
| 03:38.26 | mheath | hmmm |
| 03:38.30 | mheath | klys: she* |
| 03:40.42 | herlo | ~say herlo |
| 03:40.43 | ibot | herlo |
| 03:43.48 | mheath | Hmm |
| 03:44.09 | mheath | Didn't someone here have some kind of web-based college student time management software they were trying to impress upon me once? |
| 03:56.44 | herlo | ~say herlo |
| 03:56.44 | ibot | herlo |
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| 04:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, oops. I've got a server with some old timezone data. |
| 04:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And then I have another without screen (!) |
| 04:18.23 | mheath | Wow. |
| 04:43.51 | mheath | Hmm |
| 04:44.13 | mheath | Anyone but Utah Symphony tickets online @ www.arttix.org before? |
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| 09:32.44 | nick125_ | Asterlink is pissing me off. |
| 09:32.56 | nick125_ | They are still billing me even though I emailed them with my cancellation notice |
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| 12:42.56 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30137 |
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| 14:30.35 | levi | mheath: Yup, I've used arttix.org before. |
| 14:42.19 | QBFreak | Tene: are you around? |
| 15:01.40 | findlay | mheath: don't buy them from arttix. Get them direct from the symphony. It will save you some dough |
| 15:06.13 | findlay | Tene: is #perl6 more about pugs than parrot? I always thought parrot was the 'official' perl6 |
| 15:07.34 | levi | findlay: Yeah, but pugs actually works. ;) |
| 15:09.03 | findlay | indeed |
| 15:11.04 | levi | Besides, the 'official' perl6 is whatever passes the test suite, right? |
| 15:11.34 | findlay | well, which one's closer to being done? |
| 15:13.03 | levi | Beats me. You think I'm a perl programmer? ;) |
| 15:13.31 | findlay | well I just happen to think it's nifty |
| 15:15.08 | levi | AFAIK, you can currently do perl6 stuff with pugs, parrot, and the perl5 interpreter. |
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| 15:23.46 | ^Migs^ | A 10-year-old Nepalese girl was stripped of her title as a living goddess because she traveled overseas to promote a documentary about the centuries-old tradition, a news report said Tuesday. |
| 15:23.49 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 15:23.53 | ^Migs^ | http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3666104&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1 |
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| 15:36.21 | elg | being a goddess just isn't what it used to be |
| 15:38.22 | elg | so does comcast block voip traffic, or is it the router or nat here? |
| 15:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I've heard it might |
| 15:38.42 | jsmith | All of the above?!? |
| 15:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://slashdot.org/articles/06/03/02/139241.shtml |
| 15:38.50 | jsmith | elg: Use IAX :-) |
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| 15:46.48 | elg | no iax phones for os x |
| 15:46.54 | elg | except that one that I refuse to use |
| 15:48.56 | elg | none of the (well-moderated) comments there nor the article talks about *blocking* |
| 15:49.14 | elg | it's accusations of reduced QoS and stuff. My softphone simply won't register. times out |
| 15:49.40 | elg | it's a wrt54g and I don't think there's any firewall settings (though I'm not intimately familiar with their webui) |
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| 16:27.20 | rsimpkins | Linux can't dynamically allocate CPUs, RAM, and IO devices. |
| 16:27.43 | rsimpkins | I wonder if ayone is working on those features however... |
| 16:27.48 | findlay | rsimpkins: you have the source code, hack it! |
| 16:28.06 | rsimpkins | findlay: That's on my list of things to do, right after world peace. |
| 16:28.36 | findlay | ok |
| 16:29.32 | rsimpkins | elg: You can get some different software for the wrt54g that is much more advanced. |
| 16:30.19 | elg | if it were mine it would already have openwrt (if it's possible with a v5) |
| 16:30.41 | elg | but I practice minimal intervention with familial tech |
| 16:31.15 | elg | as ever, the sysadmin is underappreciated and blamed for everything. I don't need blame or underappreciation coming from family |
| 16:31.26 | elg | so I help when they ask, which is of course not nearly as often as they really need help |
| 16:31.35 | elg | works best that way :) |
| 16:33.50 | helix400 | elg: later versions of wrt54g can get different software. It's not as clean, but it can be done. I personally gave up on my wrt54g, because it decides to kill inactive sockets after 10 minutes. Drove me crazy when I had to reconnect my idle ssh sessions |
| 16:34.18 | elg | ssh has an option for that |
| 16:34.22 | elg | but yeah that's annoying |
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| 16:58.48 | bonez31 | I am in the market for a couple new flat screen desktop monitors...have any of your purchased such lately? Not sure whether to grab something at Costco, or to do mail order.... |
| 16:59.22 | fozzmoo | LCD monitors are scary. |
| 16:59.39 | fozzmoo | I say that because there's such a wide range in quality. |
| 17:00.02 | fozzmoo | There are very good reasons to go with an established brand name with a long warranty period. |
| 17:00.15 | bonez31 | fozzmoo: well, at this point...size limitations....and price are my two issues... |
| 17:00.32 | fozzmoo | Read the reviews on newegg.com |
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| 17:00.45 | fozzmoo | Hi Lakshmi |
| 17:00.47 | bonez31 | I need a good monitor for my boys' game machine at home..., and somethign to replace this monitor which keeps on shifting colors.... |
| 17:00.51 | fozzmoo | Hi Lakshmi______ |
| 17:00.53 | bonez31 | newegg.com ok.... |
| 17:01.03 | fozzmoo | That's quite the ______, Lakshmi______ |
| 17:04.08 | findlay | color changing monitors are fun |
| 17:08.18 | bonez31 | findlay: it's a pain in the eyeball.... |
| 17:08.30 | mheath | levi: re arttix.org...how do they deliver tickets? |
| 17:08.40 | mheath | Looking to get tickets for something very late notice |
| 17:08.46 | bonez31 | findlay: what bugs me is the fact that it's likely a 20 cent capacitor, that's failing..probably... |
| 17:08.47 | levi | mheath: You pick them up at will-call. |
| 17:09.23 | findlay | mheath: call the symphony, don't go through arttix |
| 17:09.36 | findlay | unless you have to |
| 17:10.17 | mheath | I wonder if they _have_ a will call... |
| 17:10.22 | mheath | Up @ Deer Valley |
| 17:10.37 | levi | Pretty much every venue has a will call. |
| 17:10.49 | levi | You could call and ask, though. |
| 17:11.10 | mheath | levi: How's your WoW character coming, btw? |
| 17:11.43 | levi | mheath: Haven't played in a while. Leveled up to 16, then had to log off, and haven't been on since last Wednesday. |
| 17:12.01 | mheath | ah. 16 is decent, I guess |
| 17:12.07 | mheath | It'll start getting harder and harder though |
| 17:12.14 | Tene | findlay: parrot stuff happens in #parrot on irc.perl.org, but it's not logged. |
| 17:12.30 | levi | Went camping Thursday through Sunday, and we've been busy since then selling our condo and looking for a new house. |
| 17:13.15 | levi | And I've got another vacation from the 5th to the 10th, so I probably won't play much for a while more. :) |
| 17:13.29 | mheath | I want a Condo. Bah :( |
| 17:15.34 | levi | All in good time, mheath. |
| 17:16.19 | mheath | 'course, it would also be nice to have a job....or a college education.. |
| 17:18.15 | fozzmoo | I know someone who can change all that. |
| 17:18.27 | fozzmoo | Oh wait, it's YOU, mheath. YOU! ;-) |
| 17:19.56 | Tene | findlay: "official perl 6" will be any perl 6 implementation that passes the test suite. #perl6 is more about pugs than parrot because you can run lots of perl 6 code on pugs, and very very little on parrot currently. |
| 17:24.55 | elg | so i've been eavesdropping on the flightgear project for a couple of weeks, and submitted a few small patches |
| 17:25.54 | elg | they're struggling socially. it's the same ol' story, that nobody ever seems to learn from. a couple of arrogant obnoxious opinionated passionate geeks with a "be perfect" attitude (where perfect means whatever they want to think it means) |
| 17:26.25 | elg | always attacking people who submit patches for stupid reasons like indentation |
| 17:26.35 | Tene | Weird. |
| 17:26.54 | elg | but not settling on a coding standard, nor documenting whatever crazy process they've envisioned for contributing |
| 17:27.04 | elg | and they're only 2 or 3 of the about 10 CVS committers |
| 17:27.34 | elg | but none of the other committers want to rock the boat, so they don't do any good or commit any code (that they haven't got clear ownership over) |
| 17:28.08 | elg | and a general "do things right" attitude which of course means nothing gets done at all because nobody can agree on what's "right", or if they can agree nobody wants to do that much work |
| 17:28.29 | elg | in spite of all that, it moves forward at an amazing clip. |
| 17:28.49 | elg | it's really growing. could be growing faster, maybe |
| 17:30.32 | elg | definitely need a thick skin to contribute though. some of said people are irrationally against one guy who has a PhD in physics (fluid dynamics I think) and has written an online book on the physics of flying and how it applies to the pilot practically, is an experience real-life pilot |
| 17:31.12 | levi | Huh. |
| 17:31.20 | levi | Open source project dynamics can be pretty weird. |
| 17:31.28 | elg | and they basically ignore everything he contributes (even unto patches) because they think he's arrogant or they don't agree with his explanation of how wings produce lift |
| 17:31.30 | Tene | elg: explain "irrationally against"? |
| 17:32.41 | elg | he's told me off-list that one of them has done nothing but attack his comments, whitespace, ideas, etc. completely ignoring the content. I went back through the archives and verified it. He said he doesn't know what he might have done to provoke it, though for an objective observer apparently the answer is he knows what he's talking about |
| 17:33.14 | Tene | Weird. |
| 17:33.20 | elg | and sounds like he does. no delusions here - PhDs can sometimes sound a little condescending, but most of them are nice enough in spite of it - it's just a side effect of being confident about what you know |
| 17:33.36 | levi | A cardinal sin amongst amateur hackers. |
| 17:34.44 | elg | one of the guys that I didn't associate with this gang, but he seems to associate himself (with the "do everything perfectly" regime, anyway) just announced he's pulling out of mailing list discussions and most development because it's nonproductive |
| 17:35.05 | mheath | Hmm |
| 17:35.08 | elg | so changes may be happening, or it may be part of life |
| 17:35.12 | elg | hard to say |
| 17:35.16 | mheath | Can anyone comment on "Transformers"? Thinking about seeing that today. |
| 17:35.29 | elg | and the "king" is basically like king theoden from what I can tell |
| 17:35.54 | elg | probably has no time for it, rarely even does so much as weigh in on the list |
| 17:36.34 | elg | mheath: Jayce^ did on his blog |
| 17:36.54 | levi | I believe he liked it. |
| 17:36.57 | Jayce^ | and am going back here right after we eat lunch |
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| 17:37.09 | elg | still for all that, which is sad but not at all surprising in a large oss project, it beats the tar out of the x-plane development model :) |
| 17:37.31 | Jayce^ | I could definately nitpick little bits, there is a movie-os section.. but still a good movie |
| 17:37.42 | levi | There seems to be quite a bit of drama involved in any large oss project. |
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| 17:38.45 | elg | levi: invariably :) |
| 17:39.09 | levi | Well, even in the small ones. |
| 17:39.48 | levi | Back when cold.org was active, there tended to be regular personality conflicts. |
| 17:40.21 | elg | no doubt in large part because the primary motivation for developers is ego, if not itch-scratching (and itch-scratching is rarely enough on its own) |
| 17:41.32 | elg | ardour worked pretty smoothly. though a large program it only has about 5 or 6 devs, really, and they'd take any patches at face value |
| 17:43.01 | elg | and the code was incredible |
| 17:43.04 | levi | Working with the FreeIPMI guys has been pretty nice. |
| 17:43.40 | levi | They're particular about the code they accept, but they're nice about it and I consider it a good thing. |
| 17:44.01 | elg | as an unrelated observation, most of the issues and patches they have been dealing with can be directly attributed to C++ :) |
| 17:44.11 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:44.30 | Lakshmi | hi fozzmoo ! |
| 17:44.37 | elg | but of course the C++ programmers probably don't see that. you have to have an external pov to notice that |
| 17:44.40 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: hi |
| 17:44.45 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 17:46.32 | Tene | elg: example? |
| 17:47.08 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Being dad, debugging PHP code against my sensibilities, and starting to feel hungry for some lunch. |
| 17:47.09 | elg | buffer overflows. template stuff. parsing nightmares |
| 17:47.19 | levi | elg: Probably true, but sometimes such things are conscious tradeoffs. I mean, people who are entrenched in the ML world think Rubyists/Lispers are insane for not statically typing everything, since static typing eliminates the possibility of a whole range of errors. |
| 17:47.52 | elg | true |
| 17:48.28 | elg | I read something good about the delusional static typing camp a short while back, but I can't now remember what it was. |
| 17:48.56 | elg | comparing them to the AI people who think/thought that you could do AI with deterministic approaches |
| 17:49.16 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo: sounds fun. the being dad part sounds fun.. the others idk.. and you should get some food |
| 17:49.31 | elg | was it the norvig presentation? can't remember |
| 17:49.54 | elg | if fozzmoo eats now, he turns into a gremlink |
| 17:50.27 | Lakshmi | and why is that? |
| 17:50.37 | elg | we don't make the rules |
| 17:51.15 | rsimpkins | we just break them. |
| 17:51.59 | levi | elg: I don't think the static typing guys are completely off-base with their love of types, but insisting that their fancy type systems are absolutely necessary for a good language is going a bit far. |
| 17:52.18 | elg | agreed |
| 17:52.44 | elg | types can indeed help find errors. the interesting question is whether it's worth the effort. |
| 17:53.05 | levi | I don't think effort is the issue. |
| 17:53.25 | bonez31 | how's your brick oven working, elg? |
| 17:53.30 | levi | In order to have a bug-free program, you will have had to think about the same issues that lead to defining types. |
| 17:54.12 | levi | It's just that the static typing systems constrain the times and ways in which you have to do that thinking. |
| 17:54.14 | elg | if there's no "effort", and static typing just flows naturally out of the ether into your program, then I have no problem with it |
| 17:54.54 | elg | levi: I don't so much care about being forced to think about type at any one point. I care that I'm straightjacketed into certain artificial restraints |
| 17:55.17 | levi | I.e., the 'ways' I mentioned in which you have to think about types. |
| 17:55.37 | elg | yes, you have to think about type, but in most of those languages you have to do all kinds of gyrations to do Real Stuff, that lead to much larger, stranger, and buggier code. |
| 17:56.30 | levi | Are you referring to monads in Haskell there, or what? |
| 17:57.03 | elg | in case you're wondering why I'm diatribing, it's that I'm waiting for these videos to transcode for the 4th time |
| 17:57.15 | elg | because iMovie didn't understand the first 3 incarnations |
| 17:57.16 | bonez31 | what is video transcoding? |
| 17:57.23 | elg | going from one format to another |
| 17:57.55 | elg | bonez31: should be fine, haven't had another chance to try it yet. i'm in utah for the next couple weeks |
| 17:58.09 | levi | OCaml has some warts in that respect in its arithmetic operations, which have different incarnations for every conceivable numeric type and require explicit conversion, but otherwise it's pretty straightforward to do 'real stuff' in OCaml. |
| 17:58.19 | bonez31 | oh, welcome back to Zion...my friend... |
| 17:58.25 | elg | levi: I'm not thinking of anything quite so interesting. mostly C/C++/Java experience |
| 17:58.50 | levi | F# and Scala, and to some degree SML, all handle that sort of thing much more gracefully. |
| 17:59.04 | elg | numeric conversions don't bother me, apart from the extra typing and annoyance factor |
| 17:59.35 | levi | elg: Oh. Well, you know my opinion of the C family of languages. I'm certainly not trying to defend their old-fashioned type systems. |
| 18:00.10 | levi | C doesn't even really /have/ types in any sense beyond data size. |
| 18:00.54 | elg | well, in the compiler complaint sense it does :) you just have a wildcard backdoor |
| 18:01.03 | elg | which falls under "gyrations" |
| 18:01.14 | elg | just happens to be a very flexible gyration :) |
| 18:01.17 | levi | Type names are essentially comments that the compiler can use to issue warnings. |
| 18:02.04 | levi | C type support has got a bit stronger over time, but it's still pretty darned weak. |
| 18:02.06 | elg | same could be said of almost any language feature in almost any language |
| 18:02.21 | elg | in the end it's just a program counter and some memory |
| 18:02.39 | levi | Well, no, most languages with types have semantic guarantees about types. |
| 18:02.57 | elg | yes |
| 18:03.09 | elg | but that just means they have stricter compilers/interpreters |
| 18:03.39 | levi | Well, the compilers/interpreters have to be strict to be implementations of those languages. |
| 18:04.04 | elg | yup |
| 18:04.41 | levi | Anyway. |
| 18:05.42 | levi | There's a lot of work to be done by the advanced type theory people to make their cool languages more accessible to the masses, but I think things in that area are encouraging. |
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| 18:06.44 | levi | I don't think languages with advanced type systems will really catch on until there's widespread teaching of type theory basics at an undergrad level. |
| 18:08.33 | levi | Scala, for example, is really close to being usable by the average programmer, except you have to understand things such as covariance and contravariance, etc. |
| 18:10.06 | levi | Of course, they're things you have to at least have an intuitive understanding of if you're going to do datatype-generic programming in any language, but in Scala you have to spell them out. |
| 18:14.43 | levi | Basically, all the category theory terminology that's been imported into recent functional languages is really scary to people who never got any sort of introduction to it. |
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| 18:22.53 | mheath | So |
| 18:23.12 | mheath | I'm going to be releasing for the first time the Java ObjNet tools in a few weeks |
| 18:24.03 | mheath | Which includes the ObjNet client library, SimpleClient, and jObjNetServer |
| 18:28.52 | levi | Time to go house shopping. |
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| 18:31.50 | redbeard2 | ~lart Tene |
| 18:31.50 | ibot | executes killall -HUP Tene |
| 18:32.09 | Tene | ~nick125 redbeard2 |
| 18:32.10 | ibot | ACTION puts redbeard2 on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes redbeard2 use Gentoo on there. |
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| 18:51.28 | mheath | haha |
| 18:51.45 | mheath | Do they really only have 32MB of RAM? |
| 18:51.48 | mheath | Thats horrible |
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| 19:03.21 | mrpull | http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2007/06/atatstroller.html |
| 19:03.33 | mrpull | that is the coolest thing i've seen all day |
| 19:03.43 | mrpull | i'm not even a starwars fan and i need that for my boy |
| 19:04.11 | mheath | cool, but also looks kinda cheap |
| 19:04.31 | herlo | http://www.egodialogues.com/blog/item-125.html - thought this was well thought out |
| 19:05.45 | rsimpkins | I'm really getting more and more negative towards Debian these days. |
| 19:05.50 | rsimpkins | I was such a fanboy. |
| 19:06.10 | mrpull | rsimpkins: wow. redhat defector? |
| 19:06.20 | mheath | Ubuntu = debian with better maintained repos :) |
| 19:06.28 | mheath | (and a better release policy :)) |
| 19:06.40 | rsimpkins | mrpull: Enterprise. Anything Enterprise. |
| 19:06.56 | rsimpkins | I'm all about the enterprise these days I guess. |
| 19:07.08 | mheath | *shrug* |
| 19:07.18 | mrpull | does ubuntu lts count? |
| 19:07.21 | mheath | Enterprise isn't meant for personal use, and I don't think its well suited for it either. |
| 19:07.26 | mheath | Heh |
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| 19:30.24 | rsimpkins | I guess I'm going to have to up the ante to boulders then. |
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| 20:25.14 | mrpull | why doesn't itunes assume that if I sort by album that I might want it to subsort by track number? |
| 20:37.37 | fozzmoo | Who is willing to admit they know PHP pretty well? :) |
| 20:38.28 | Lakshmi | not me? |
| 20:40.10 | Tene | fozzmoo: I know a decent PHP programmer. |
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| 21:01.05 | mheath | Maybe someone will know...what are the options for cellular internet these days? |
| 21:01.14 | mheath | I know wireless providers have the PCMCIA broadband access cards |
| 21:01.27 | mheath | But do they still make phones that can interface with a computer and act as a normal modem? |
| 21:01.56 | mheath | Those seem more attractive to me, as thats anywhere you have cell service...whereas, their broadband cards only function in their broadband network area |
| 21:02.07 | mheath | (which, for my cell phone provider, doesn't even include my house) |
| 21:02.34 | Tene | http://lol.ianloic.com/feed/openclue.org/ut/rss20.xml |
| 21:02.36 | brac | [LOL: Utah Open Source Planet] |
| 21:02.49 | Tene | mheath: I know that I can use my treo as a dialup device through bluetooth. |
| 21:03.40 | mheath | Tene: Not sure I like that option |
| 21:03.50 | mheath | And I think thats the same as the wireless cards |
| 21:03.57 | mheath | Only works in their broadband / digital network |
| 21:04.08 | mheath | I want a normal cell phone that operates as a normal mode |
| 21:04.34 | mheath | (minus, perhaps, that you use a USB cable or something instead of going from the computers modem) |
| 21:05.05 | mrpull | mheath: i have a cingular/att 8525 with an unlimited dataplan |
| 21:05.16 | mrpull | it tethers via bluetooth or usb |
| 21:05.27 | mrpull | and usually goes about 1mbps |
| 21:05.34 | mrpull | and rarely slower than 300kbps |
| 21:06.07 | mheath | Same thing |
| 21:06.08 | mheath | "dataplan" |
| 21:06.11 | mrpull | it is a windows mobile phone |
| 21:06.15 | mheath | that means your using their digital network for data transfer |
| 21:06.25 | mheath | I want something that will work WHEREVER the cell phone can make voice calls from |
| 21:06.31 | mheath | Not use their digital broadband network or anything |
| 21:06.36 | mheath | I know they used to make cell phones that could do that |
| 21:06.40 | mrpull | it is 3G in salt lake |
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| 21:06.57 | mrpull | but can do edge/gprs in other markets that don't have 3G towers |
| 21:07.07 | mrpull | everywhere i've been lately has 3G |
| 21:07.39 | mrpull | (houston/research triangle/atlanta/slc/indy) |
| 21:07.58 | mrpull | i don't care how it is delivered. it works well. |
| 21:08.14 | mheath | mrpull: For example |
| 21:08.19 | mheath | My cabin in colorado |
| 21:08.25 | mheath | Has full coverage for voice calls |
| 21:08.30 | mrpull | GSM? |
| 21:08.44 | mheath | I don't know all the cell phone terminology |
| 21:08.51 | mheath | But none of my cell phones data features work up there |
| 21:09.00 | mrpull | what carrier? |
| 21:11.16 | mheath | Vierzon |
| 21:11.19 | mheath | *Verizon |
| 21:11.44 | mrpull | i know the least about verizon |
| 21:12.17 | mrpull | i do know they have more frequencies than other carriers... maybe you are picking up an analog signal at the cabin |
| 21:12.21 | mrpull | and cant get data at all |
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| 21:46.29 | tensai | mheath: your phone should show whether it is in digital or analog mode. Often they will show "1X" when in digital mode, whatever that means. |
| 21:46.59 | nick125_ | Most phones don't have "analog" mode anymore (AMPS). |
| 21:47.26 | tensai | those phones wouldn't be so useful in wyoming then |
| 21:54.36 | tensai | ah, oh. 1x refers to 1xEV-DO, which will only be valid if you're on an EV-DO network such as Verizon |
| 21:57.20 | nick125_ | Not necessarly. |
| 21:58.21 | nick125_ | 1x could stand for the old data network....1xRt or something, I can't remember |
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| 22:04.58 | sjansen | http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/photos/wili/83732757/in/set-72157594153019201/ |
| 22:05.20 | mrpull | sjansen: wtf? |
| 22:05.42 | sjansen | Don't ask me. I don't read Korean. |
| 22:06.09 | mrpull | sjansen: i'm seeing if a korean RM can decipher it for me. |
| 22:08.12 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Is that like 'peeping toms permitted in this restroom' or something? |
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