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| 03:17.35 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 03:22.00 | nick125_ | levi_home: Evening. |
| 03:22.40 | mheath | levi_home: How's WoW treating you? |
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| 03:27.13 | mheath | So, why does WSU's CS website sound more like an advertising campaign and less like a webpage for a university? |
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| 04:40.49 | mheath | I really want to go to college out of state |
| 04:40.55 | mheath | I really don't have the money for that right now, though |
| 04:44.40 | mheath | I was wondering......I'm guessing it's probably too late to get accepted at University of Utah |
| 04:50.21 | fozzmoo | mheath: Where are you in school? |
| 04:56.59 | mheath | fozzmoo: No where. :) |
| 04:57.12 | fozzmoo | I mean... how many years have you completed? |
| 04:57.15 | mheath | 0. |
| 04:57.20 | fozzmoo | Go to WSU, then. |
| 04:57.22 | Lakshmi | hey fozzmoo |
| 04:57.24 | fozzmoo | GHet your generals out of the way. |
| 04:57.28 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Hey you! |
| 04:57.35 | Lakshmi | sup> |
| 04:57.42 | mheath | fozzmoo: Will WSU credit even transfer everywhere? =\ |
| 04:57.53 | fozzmoo | mheath: I don't see why not. |
| 04:57.59 | fozzmoo | They're not an unacredited university. |
| 04:58.15 | mheath | Meh |
| 04:58.19 | mheath | I want to start on a CS degree |
| 04:58.36 | mheath | But I don't know what classes to take. And their CS academic advisor is out of town from now until right before classes start. |
| 04:59.01 | fozzmoo | Figuring out what generals to take shouldn't be THAT hard. :) |
| 04:59.23 | mheath | Meh, I don't want to take all generals =\ |
| 04:59.58 | fozzmoo | you actually want to take CS classes at WSU? :) |
| 05:00.14 | fozzmoo | Take calculus, physics, that sort of stuff. |
| 05:00.40 | mheath | Pre-Calculus is the math they use for their CS program up there.. |
| 05:01.34 | findlay | Lakshmi ! |
| 05:02.02 | Lakshmi | findlay! |
| 05:02.22 | findlay | ibot_: Lakshmi is the cool, hey, what's up girl |
| 05:02.39 | Lakshmi | lol |
| 05:02.57 | Lakshmi | now im the lets ask a question girl |
| 05:03.18 | Lakshmi | so question: what do you do when your trying to destress or de-be annoyed |
| 05:03.20 | findlay | s/no/on |
| 05:03.38 | herlo | mheath: any generals will do. Take history and english, biology and math |
| 05:03.38 | findlay | Lakshmi: what/s annoying you? |
| 05:03.50 | mheath | herlo: All the not-fun stuff. |
| 05:04.02 | herlo | mheath: to get the degree, you've gotta do the time |
| 05:04.14 | herlo | Lakshmi: watch robot chickent |
| 05:04.20 | Lakshmi | findlay: stuff..well not anymore.. im over it but im wondering what others do |
| 05:04.20 | herlo | s/nt/n/g |
| 05:04.51 | Lakshmi | herlo: whats robt chicken? |
| 05:04.59 | findlay | Lakshmi: I generally give myself into some activity I have relative proficiency in with abandon |
| 05:05.02 | herlo | http://www.adultswim.com/shows/robotchicken/stuff/rcsw/ivcp/ |
| 05:05.03 | brac | [[adult swim] | Shows - Robot Chicken - Star Wars - IVCP] |
| 05:05.16 | herlo | Lakshmi: I just watched it again. It's hilarious |
| 05:05.25 | findlay | it usually increases my capacity for true passion |
| 05:05.27 | mheath | herlo: Except, I really don't care at ALL about the degree, other than the fact that it doesn't seem like anything else is going to work in life |
| 05:05.39 | findlay | Lakshmi: like, I like to play my viola |
| 05:05.46 | herlo | mheath: you gotta start somewher |
| 05:05.48 | herlo | e |
| 05:05.57 | herlo | findlay: you play the viola? |
| 05:05.58 | fozzmoo | mheath: The degree tells people one thing: that you are capable of jumping through hoops. |
| 05:06.09 | Lakshmi | findlay: i need to learn to play an instrument |
| 05:06.17 | fozzmoo | It really doesn't matter what you major in, IMO. |
| 05:06.25 | findlay | herlo: yeah, don't you remember me offering to play quartet music for your 'formal' UTOS dinner :-) |
| 05:06.32 | fozzmoo | But if you can show that you can do what people say for 4 years, you're a good candidate for a job. |
| 05:06.34 | herlo | fozzmoo: is Sons of Nothing still planning on playing? |
| 05:06.42 | mheath | fozzmoo: you'd think the fact that I was in the military, and _twice_ got kicked out would show people that I'm capable of jumping through hoops :-P |
| 05:06.54 | fozzmoo | mheath: You NEED a degree. :) |
| 05:06.56 | herlo | findlay: I know, just razzing you. I'd love to have you... |
| 05:07.09 | findlay | herlo: honestly I always thought it would be kind of weird to have chamber music at a geek dinner, but if you really want it, I'm totally for it |
| 05:07.23 | fozzmoo | herlo: The PInk Floyd tribute part of the band broke up. |
| 05:07.25 | fozzmoo | LIterally. |
| 05:07.30 | fozzmoo | So, now there are two bands. |
| 05:07.34 | herlo | findlay: I don't know, sounds fine to me |
| 05:07.39 | herlo | fozzmoo: that sucks |
| 05:07.42 | findlay | ok |
| 05:07.46 | fozzmoo | herlo: SoN is still together- doing original music. |
| 05:07.50 | herlo | findlay: we'll play it by ear... |
| 05:07.50 | fozzmoo | I'm sure they'd be happy to play. |
| 05:07.56 | findlay | Lakshmi: go out running or somehting |
| 05:07.58 | findlay | herlo: sure |
| 05:08.10 | Lakshmi | findlay: its 10pm |
| 05:08.12 | fozzmoo | I'm not really closely associated with the FloydShow folks anymore, but I'm sure they'd be happy to play too. |
| 05:08.15 | Lakshmi | but thats a good idea |
| 05:08.25 | fozzmoo | The FloydShow guys are... a little wilder crowd. |
| 05:08.38 | findlay | Lakshmi: get in tune with the mystical part of yourself |
| 05:08.46 | herlo | fozzmoo: hmm, did you decide that you *are* gonna do something about IODynamics too? |
| 05:08.57 | fozzmoo | herlo: What do you mean? |
| 05:09.02 | herlo | fozzmoo: I am sure we'd love to have both/all three |
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| 05:09.19 | herlo | fozzmoo: Mike kept telling me that you were gonna submit a presentation, but I've not seen anything from you. |
| 05:09.20 | mheath | Oops...Hmm |
| 05:09.24 | findlay | heh |
| 05:09.26 | Lakshmi | findlay: mystical part |
| 05:09.28 | Lakshmi | ? |
| 05:09.37 | mheath | I don't want a degree, particularly. |
| 05:09.41 | mheath | I'd be quite happy in life without one. |
| 05:09.44 | herlo | Lakshmi: findlay is altogether mystical |
| 05:09.46 | fozzmoo | herlo: Everything's been up in the air the last few months. |
| 05:09.51 | herlo | fozzmoo: I know. |
| 05:09.53 | fozzmoo | We're finally in negotiations with a company. |
| 05:09.58 | herlo | fozzmoo: cool |
| 05:10.07 | findlay | Lakshmi: yeah, like excercizing, and learning how to deal with stress constructively |
| 05:10.22 | fozzmoo | Yeah- if you're still interested in a presentation after July 15, I'll probably have some sanity to put something together. |
| 05:10.30 | mheath | Uh, what do you have to do to get into Honors level classes? |
| 05:10.33 | fozzmoo | Otherwise, I was just going to wait until next year. |
| 05:10.40 | findlay | mheath: usually nothing |
| 05:10.54 | findlay | s/usually/most probably/ |
| 05:11.18 | herlo | fozzmoo: well, I'd be happy to have you submit something. We need more. I'll be approving talks on Friday so if you can get something to me within a week fo that, it'd be great |
| 05:11.42 | herlo | fozzmoo: next years good too. This year is such an experiment. I am completely nervous about it all |
| 05:11.46 | herlo | findlay: very much so |
| 05:11.50 | findlay | :-) |
| 05:11.54 | fozzmoo | k |
| 05:12.34 | mheath | How many credit hours is appropriate to sign up for? Around 25ish? |
| 05:12.40 | mheath | Never done any of this before.. |
| 05:12.45 | herlo | mheath: 14018 |
| 05:12.49 | herlo | 14-18 |
| 05:12.56 | findlay | 65536 |
| 05:13.07 | mheath | 14-? Thats like....less than 3 hours a weekday of classes O.o |
| 05:13.15 | findlay | ~rand |
| 05:13.16 | ibot | 9 |
| 05:13.21 | findlay | mheath: 9 |
| 05:13.24 | findlay | :) |
| 05:13.25 | herlo | mheath: trust me. I did 21 hours once, almost killed me |
| 05:13.40 | mheath | herlo: Uh, you should have seen my schedule in Charleston. :) |
| 05:13.41 | herlo | 25 hrs could be done if you did nothing but school |
| 05:13.52 | mheath | I went to class from 0600 to 1600 |
| 05:13.53 | herlo | mheath: yeah, like I said |
| 05:14.07 | mheath | Then generally stayed from 1600-2200 to study, with maybe an hour for dinner |
| 05:14.08 | herlo | fozzmoo: well, I wish you luck on your negotiations |
| 05:14.12 | Tene | 21 is the maximum I saw out at BYU. |
| 05:14.15 | fozzmoo | thx |
| 05:14.33 | herlo | fozzmoo: anytime. let me know if I can help in any way. |
| 05:14.59 | QBFreak | insanity! school is evil! |
| 05:15.07 | mheath | Ooh. "POLS SS2300 Intro to Political Theory" |
| 05:18.16 | fozzmoo | Oh joy. Quickbooks 2006 and Samba don't get along well. |
| 05:19.02 | QBFreak | its not using windows API to access it? |
| 05:19.47 | fozzmoo | I'm still doing some research into it. |
| 05:19.56 | fozzmoo | A client is having trouble with ONLY Quickbooks 2006 data on a Samba box. |
| 05:20.08 | fozzmoo | Google quickly confirmed there is an issue between the two. |
| 05:20.43 | QBFreak | bizarre |
| 05:23.04 | mheath | Hmm |
| 05:23.06 | mheath | You all are right |
| 05:23.14 | mheath | I think I will just work on some general education requirmeents |
| 05:23.21 | mheath | Until I figure out for sure what I'm going to do... |
| 05:23.33 | mheath | Theres some kinda fun sounding general ed classes I can take, anyway. |
| 05:25.34 | QBFreak | Fishsticks 101 - Introduction to fried foods |
| 05:25.50 | findlay | Tene: do you know how to select text in elinks? |
| 05:26.04 | Tene | findlay: "use screen" |
| 05:26.36 | findlay | Tene: ahh, /that's/ why we keep clever people like you in this channel :-) |
| 05:26.52 | findlay | Tene: what about pasting into a textarea? |
| 05:27.42 | herlo | findlay: use your mouse |
| 05:28.13 | herlo | left click to select, middle click to paste |
| 05:28.14 | Tene | findlay: never done it. does normal shift+ins not do anything? |
| 05:28.39 | Tene | herlo: obviously you've never tried it. elinks has mouse support and hijacks attempts to select text in the terminal. |
| 05:30.21 | findlay | no mouse context menues for textares |
| 05:30.30 | findlay | man I'm not spelling tonight |
| 05:30.54 | Tene | findlay: middle-click or shift+ins or, if your terminal supports it, use its paste functionality. |
| 05:30.58 | Tene | gnome-terminal for example. |
| 05:32.20 | fozzmoo | Use lynx |
| 05:32.34 | findlay | levi_home: http://www.cioinsight.com/article2/0,1540,2089567,00.asp |
| 05:32.37 | brac | [Alan Kay: The PC Must Be Revamped--Now] |
| 05:33.03 | findlay | Tene: shift+insert works |
| 05:33.10 | findlay | even in putty! |
| 05:33.30 | Tene | findlay: good |
| 05:33.39 | fozzmoo | "He says the push to make PCs easy to use has also made them less useful; their popularity has stunted their potential." |
| 05:33.42 | fozzmoo | YES! YES! |
| 05:34.32 | fozzmoo | Microsoft has created huge legions of users who lack basic computer skills and software that ridiculously restricts the power of the computer. |
| 05:34.35 | fozzmoo | ARGH! |
| 05:34.59 | fozzmoo | levi: Thanks a lot. Now I'm going to burst a few capillaries. |
| 05:35.20 | QBFreak | I try not to think about it |
| 05:35.55 | findlay | fozzmoo: Alan Kay is even more exciting in person |
| 05:37.04 | fozzmoo | "How much learning is a person willing to do to really learn how to use a computer? The answer, over the last 25 years of the commercialization of personal computing, is almost none." |
| 05:38.41 | findlay | you should have seen him come down on the smugness of the people who make megamoney by keeping the computer as it is, as it has come to be defined |
| 05:38.49 | findlay | _that_ was truly inspiring for me |
| 05:39.16 | findlay | and I'm glad I was intelligent and open-minded enough to listen and compehend |
| 05:39.57 | fozzmoo | While I appreciate all the effort the Gnome and KDE folks put into making their desktop environments "better," I can't help but wonder if they're making many of the same mistakes Microsoft has made. |
| 05:40.28 | findlay | yeah. Alan Kay reminds me of levi :-) |
| 05:40.31 | Tene | fozzmoo: so are you like a typical windows users for using KDE? |
| 05:40.37 | Tene | ~levi++ |
| 05:40.44 | findlay | Tene: you use E, right? |
| 05:40.49 | Tene | findlay: yeah |
| 05:40.51 | fozzmoo | Tene: I wouldn't go that far. |
| 05:41.01 | findlay | that means you're equivalent to 5/3 mac users haha! |
| 05:41.06 | Tene | fozzmoo: would you if you were nonseriously trolling? |
| 05:41.12 | Tene | findlay: howso? I don't understand. |
| 05:41.31 | findlay | Tene: just taking opportunity to make a lame joke |
| 05:41.42 | Tene | findlay: I don't understand the joke. |
| 05:42.19 | Tene | findlay: explain it for me, please. I usually really enjoy your humor. |
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| 05:42.53 | findlay | Tene: how 'correct' and 'enlightened' (heh) someone is by how generally different their preferred computing environment is compared to the status quoue, and therefore if they conform to the prophet, Alan Kay |
| 05:43.35 | findlay | so, I invented an arbitary, impromptu scale and rated E at 5/3 Aqua |
| 05:43.40 | Tene | Okay. |
| 05:43.50 | findlay | on a Kay scale of coolness |
| 05:44.04 | Tene | I thought that the "5/3" measurement was derived from properties of the respective environments. |
| 05:44.18 | fozzmoo | Tene: I think you thought too much. :) |
| 05:44.21 | Tene | I understand now. |
| 05:44.25 | Tene | fozzmoo: rather. |
| 05:44.45 | Tene | I'll have to try to appreciate findlay's next joke more than usual to make up for this failure. |
| 05:44.45 | stuporglue | Anyone know how to recover a crashed Gramps db? |
| 05:45.18 | findlay | stuporglue: sounds interesting |
| 05:45.41 | findlay | does it implement its own DB, or use a generic backend? |
| 05:46.24 | stuporglue | findlay: thanks...It's a berkeley db, version 4.4. I have the berkeley db tools installed, including one called "db4.4_recover", but it does nothing as far as I can tell |
| 05:46.46 | findlay | stuporglue: can't think of anything. Do you have a backup :) |
| 05:47.01 | stuporglue | findlay: nope, not that I know of... |
| 05:47.37 | findlay | are you sure it's the DB that's crashed? |
| 05:47.51 | findlay | is there a command line interface for Berkley? |
| 05:47.56 | stuporglue | I think so. Gramps says that it's corrupt, and loads other DBs I haven't touched just fine |
| 05:47.57 | findlay | that you could try |
| 05:48.09 | stuporglue | I don't know, I'm just starting to get familiar with it |
| 05:48.13 | findlay | hm |
| 05:48.18 | stuporglue | there may be |
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| 05:49.09 | stuporglue | My wife says most of the stuff can be re-downloaded from FamilySearch.org...but if Gramps trashes my data this easily (this is my first few hours of using it), I don't know if I can trust it enough :-/ |
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| 05:49.45 | findlay | well, I for one can't wait for the new familysearch to come out |
| 05:49.57 | stuporglue | no kidding, me either |
| 05:50.01 | findlay | right timriker? :-) |
| 05:50.06 | Tene | findlay: opinions/comments on haskell? |
| 05:50.13 | findlay | Tene: never used it |
| 05:50.19 | findlay | sounds fun though |
| 05:53.31 | Maladjusted | Y'all talking about Geneology software? |
| 05:54.03 | findlay | Maladjusted: why, got something to share? |
| 05:54.06 | stuporglue | Maladjusted: findlay and I were for a second...Gramps crashed on me and I lost a little bit of data |
| 05:55.19 | Maladjusted | I was just curious. |
| 05:55.52 | Maladjusted | I'm not Mormon... just trying to be cordial. |
| 05:56.14 | Tene | Maladjusted: there are plenty of non-mormon people interested in generology. |
| 05:56.23 | findlay | Maladjusted: well, doesn't you can't talk about geneology :) |
| 05:56.38 | findlay | s/doesn't/doesn't mean |
| 05:58.19 | Tene | findlay: currently reading http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~lipeng/homepage/unify.html and remembering that I keep meaning to study Haskell but have never been able to get into it. |
| 05:58.21 | brac | [Unifying events and threads] |
| 05:58.51 | Maladjusted | I know, I'm just used to associated geneology work with the LDS church... didn't mean anything by it. |
| 05:59.04 | Tene | Nobody has taken offense. :) |
| 06:00.37 | fozzmoo | Maladjusted: You're not Mormon?! HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT FAMILY HISTORY! |
| 06:00.42 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 06:00.43 | findlay | well, I'm offended! :) |
| 06:00.46 | Maladjusted | Hehe |
| 06:01.00 | stuporglue | Maladjusted: At least you don't have to feel guilty for not doing it |
| 06:01.09 | Tene | findlay: no you're not. you're hungry. |
| 06:01.12 | fozzmoo | Maladjusted: DOn't worry. You'll be Mormon after you're dead. |
| 06:01.19 | findlay | Tene: how did you know that?! |
| 06:01.38 | klys | so, I have icedove mail program and it doesn't show my imap subfolders |
| 06:01.39 | klys | I'm thinking maybe an about:config option could change this |
| 06:01.40 | klys | it's the same as thunderbird, mozilla mail, etc. |
| 06:01.56 | Tene | findlay: you left a terminal open running 'top' and I noticed that the think_about_food process was eating a bunch of cpu time. |
| 06:01.56 | Maladjusted | fozzmoo: No. |
| 06:02.10 | findlay | Tene: I see |
| 06:02.38 | Tene | findlay: you wouldn't if you didn't have eyes. |
| 06:04.32 | klys | maladjusted: I still have a copy of elijah project with GED/mysql support in case you were interested in it's general disappearance |
| 06:05.49 | Maladjusted | klys: I'll pass, but thanks. |
| 06:06.51 | klys | stuporglue: oh, I should tell you I guess you can see anyway |
| 06:07.02 | findlay | klys: what's the elijah project? |
| 06:07.16 | klys | it's just ged on mysql, for transporting data |
| 06:07.21 | findlay | hm |
| 06:07.37 | findlay | which is what GEDCOM was originally intended for anyway |
| 06:07.48 | klys | right, it works with gedcom |
| 06:08.09 | findlay | guess he couldn't handle all these Mormons :/ |
| 06:08.27 | fozzmoo | We'll get him in the afterlife. |
| 06:09.09 | klys | some of my neighbors were just screaming and falling into the local bush |
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| 06:10.27 | klys | they said it had bugs and so I told them I saw a dragonfly earlier flying around in circles right there |
| 06:10.59 | klys | hey, anyone use imap? |
| 06:13.03 | stuporglue | findlay -- thanks for the help. FWIW, gramps stores DB transactions in your ~/.gramps folder, so if you delete it, your DB is hosed. Someone on the gramps mailing list says it's impossible to get the data back -- don't know if that's true, but it sounds like it's hard anyways. |
| 06:13.27 | findlay | hm |
| 06:13.58 | stuporglue | good night all |
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| 06:14.04 | klys | stuporglue: if you've written to the drive (say, you rebooted) since then, deleted data is probably hosed |
| 06:14.12 | klys | yeah yeah |
| 06:18.38 | findlay | klys: but are there FS tools that will recover deleted files? |
| 06:18.53 | klys | findlay: try mc |
| 06:19.10 | klys | the filename will not have been stored |
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| 06:38.03 | Tene | Woah, google maps has a feature to let you change the route it uses for directions now. |
| 06:38.15 | nick125_ | Tene: Omg like totally old news. |
| 06:38.27 | nick125_ | It's pretty neat |
| 06:38.34 | Tene | ~nick125 nick125_ |
| 06:38.34 | ibot | ACTION puts nick125_ on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes nick125_ use Gentoo on there. |
| 06:39.02 | nick125_ | boo for NFS mounts over wifi that cuts out every few hours. |
| 06:40.23 | Tene | ouch. how you're using soft,intr there |
| 06:40.28 | Tene | s/how/hope/ |
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| 07:04.38 | Maladjusted | It's quiet in here. |
| 07:05.47 | jlund | hay guyz wuts goin on n here? |
| 07:06.05 | Maladjusted | Absolutely nothing. |
| 07:14.12 | Maladjusted | It is Utah... Sunday night (well, Monday morning)... nearly 1:30 AM. |
| 07:14.20 | Maladjusted | Absolutely nothing happening, not even in chat. |
| 07:14.22 | Maladjusted | :-( |
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| 07:18.31 | fozzmoo | :( |
| 07:19.44 | klys | :P |
| 07:31.34 | jlund | I missed my chance to say something! |
| 07:31.44 | fozzmoo | Didn't we all? |
| 07:31.45 | klys | aha! |
| 07:32.29 | klys | on topic: everyone's favorite restaurant |
| 07:32.38 | jlund | Red Iguana |
| 07:32.49 | jlund | Or, Ichiban |
| 07:33.19 | klys | ichiban is like one of the mall restaurants |
| 07:33.30 | fozzmoo | Uhm.. I can't answer questions like that anymore. |
| 07:33.37 | klys | they have sushi though it's like 5 or 6 a pack |
| 07:34.11 | klys | so, favorite ice cream |
| 07:34.26 | jlund | klys: Where do you go for sushi? |
| 07:34.43 | fozzmoo | ANything to do with food... I have squelched my preferences. |
| 07:34.55 | klys | sushi? chinese all you can eat. like, red lantern (provo) |
| 07:34.59 | fozzmoo | If there's one thing I really, really love, it's nachos. |
| 07:35.04 | klys | aha |
| 07:35.10 | klys | with, cumin perhaps |
| 07:35.19 | klys | nachos with beef and cumin |
| 07:36.47 | klys | litza's has the best pizza and root beer |
| 07:37.04 | klys | and it's in slc |
| 07:37.24 | sontek | the best pizza in SLC is este's |
| 07:37.47 | klys | as long as I haven't been there I won't say anything though try to describe it |
| 07:39.28 | sontek | its new york style thin crust pizza |
| 07:40.02 | sontek | Rusted Sun on state is similar to litzas |
| 07:40.17 | sontek | state and around 2100 S |
| 07:41.59 | fozzmoo | oooh. I will haev to try Estes. I prefer thin crust now. |
| 07:43.09 | sontek | but my favorite places are: Chinese: 1. Davids (state and 3300) 2. Little World (state and 1700 S.), Mexican: 1. Taco Stands/Taquiera's (all over the place downtown). 2. Reg Iguana. Others: Cafe Med, Sugar House BBQ |
| 07:43.25 | sontek | Haven't really found any decent Italian |
| 07:43.42 | sontek | Theres ofcourse Buca Di Beppo and Tucci's at trolly square |
| 07:43.50 | sontek | but neithe are amazing |
| 07:44.14 | sontek | fozzmoo: You'll love este's =) Just stick to their pizza, they just started selling calzones and they are terrible :P |
| 07:44.36 | fozzmoo | I'm diabetic, so I like my pizzas very thin. |
| 07:44.51 | fozzmoo | Just before I was diabetic (7 years ago), I went to NYC... |
| 07:45.07 | fozzmoo | I had some of the best pizza in a little place called Teatro Pizza. |
| 07:45.17 | fozzmoo | They had spaghetti and meatball pizza. Oooooh. Yum. |
| 07:45.55 | sontek | haha, there is a place in salt lake where you can get macaroni and cheese on your pizza |
| 07:46.00 | sontek | don't remember what it was called though |
| 07:51.55 | jlund | What do you guys do in the real world? |
| 07:52.47 | sontek | sit on IRC and talk to everyone |
| 07:53.56 | jlund | I kind of meant professionally. Do you work with Linux every day? |
| 07:54.56 | sontek | I'm write code all day |
| 07:55.06 | sontek | well, I talk on IRC all day, but when no one is active, I write code |
| 07:55.32 | jlund | Ha |
| 07:55.42 | jlund | That's cool. What language primarily? |
| 08:28.07 | Sargun | lol |
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| 12:09.09 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 12:09.13 | ^Migs^ | we got broken into over the weekend |
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| 12:44.55 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31862 |
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| 13:14.09 | bonez44 | I am looking for an effective backup routine...I have used rdiff-backup in the past.... but wonder if there are others more effective or simple |
| 13:15.35 | jsmith | What's wrong with rdiff-backup? |
| 13:17.05 | bonez44 | oh, nothing wrong with it.... |
| 13:17.09 | bonez44 | nothing at all.... |
| 13:19.57 | ^Migs^ | http://qdb.us/94997 |
| 13:19.57 | brac | [QDB: Quote #94997] |
| 13:25.03 | ^Migs^ | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464768&in_page_id=1770 |
| 13:25.06 | brac | [Thousands of rubber ducks to land on British shores after 15 year journey | the Daily Mail] |
| 13:26.21 | Sargun | morning all |
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| 14:04.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/miss_teen_usa_seizes_crown |
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| 14:43.47 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXmPFxf2Jg |
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| 14:56.21 | tensai | findlay: I found a recording at the library of all of Dvorak's symphonies by the Berlin Philharmonic. so far me likey. |
| 15:00.20 | sjansen | I want to like Thunderbird. Really, I do. |
| 15:00.59 | sjansen | I want to stop using Evolution. Mutt isn't my cup of tea, and there aren't many other options. |
| 15:01.33 | sjansen | But, geez, Thunderbird just _bugs_ me. |
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| 15:10.07 | Tene | sjansen: I've heard some people praise sylpheed, but i don't recall what its positive attributes are supposed to be. |
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| 15:13.47 | elg | it's a dog! |
| 15:26.44 | elg | dilbert++ |
| 15:40.34 | decripto1 | morning all |
| 15:42.28 | mheath | Morning decriptor |
| 15:42.59 | decriptor | I finally realized that my work doesn't block IRC :) |
| 15:43.31 | mheath | heh |
| 15:43.49 | decriptor | in fact they use it internally for some departments |
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| 15:48.48 | levi | sjansen: gnus! ;) |
| 15:49.10 | tuple | looking for a newsreader? I suggest you just telnet into the news server |
| 15:49.42 | levi | He was looking for an email program. |
| 15:49.48 | levi | gnus does newsgroups and email. |
| 15:50.06 | tuple | ah. well I still suggest he use netcat and his knowledge of the IMAP protocol |
| 15:50.47 | levi | Will netcat do SSL? I'm sure he'd want to secure his email reading. |
| 15:54.27 | tuple | hmm. good question |
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| 15:54.46 | tuple | wait, if he just walked in, who were we talking to? |
| 15:55.32 | levi | Huh, I missed his disconnection. |
| 15:55.37 | levi | sjansen: gnus! ;) |
| 15:55.51 | tuple | I "Practical Ruby for System Administration" |
| 15:55.53 | tuple | er, |
| 15:55.56 | tuple | stupid clipboard |
| 15:56.09 | tuple | I suggest he use netcat and his knowledge of the IMAP protocol |
| 15:56.34 | sjansen | I've never bothered learning IMAP. |
| 15:56.43 | tuple | well, keep the RFC handy then |
| 15:56.44 | tuple | :) |
| 15:56.48 | sjansen | For a few weeks I did read my email using telnet and POP3. |
| 15:56.51 | decriptor | lol |
| 15:57.03 | tuple | If you had, you'd better understand my joke. |
| 15:57.14 | decriptor | RFC is as bad as saying RTFM :) |
| 15:57.15 | tuple | hand IMAP is about as much fun as hand SSL |
| 15:57.23 | tuple | but maybe less possible |
| 15:58.04 | levi | I'm sure IMAP is possible to do by hand. |
| 15:58.10 | tuple | ok, I exaggerate |
| 15:58.31 | levi | sjansen would probably enjoy learning to do IMAP by hand more than learning emacs and gnus. ;) |
| 15:58.53 | sjansen | I actually used Gnus for about 30 minutes 7 years ago. |
| 15:59.08 | sjansen | Drove me batty. |
| 15:59.11 | levi | It takes a while to get it set up well. |
| 15:59.28 | elg | translated: It sucks |
| 15:59.40 | tensai | I can do simple IMAP by hand. it's a lot more complicated (or at least can be) than POP3 |
| 15:59.42 | levi | It's my preferred console mail reading program. |
| 16:01.21 | sjansen | translated: You suck |
| 16:02.06 | elg | i was being partly silly |
| 16:02.35 | elg | but I do happen to feel that programs that "are great once you spend 3 years configuring them" are abominations |
| 16:02.35 | decriptor | what about the good old pine |
| 16:02.52 | elg | the fact that you can configure it to not suck is dumb luck |
| 16:03.27 | elg | good programs are good (if not perfectly suited to your tastes) out of the box. great programs are good out of the box and can be configured to be great, matching your needs, wants, and preferences. |
| 16:03.48 | levi | Well, gnus is a great newsreader out of the box, and can be configured to be a good mail reader. |
| 16:04.05 | sjansen | I don't believe there is such a thing as a great MUA. |
| 16:04.58 | elg | so, i'm compiling a bunch of video interviews into one dvd for my inlaws for their ward's 4th shindig |
| 16:05.25 | elg | and one of the videos is a stupid flash movie. but not only is it a stupid flash movie, it's a stupid flash movie that only seems to play in some standalone (windows) flash player |
| 16:05.52 | elg | I can see the .swf files, but none of my übercool media players seems to recognize it as a video (I know they can play .flv files) |
| 16:06.24 | sjansen | Surely someone has an original format version of the video? |
| 16:07.05 | decriptor | stupid fancy windows lockin apps |
| 16:07.59 | elg | surely someone has |
| 16:08.09 | elg | someone probably in iraq |
| 16:08.20 | elg | with better things to do |
| 16:08.44 | elg | than figure out how to stop being a technological bonehead |
| 16:09.30 | sjansen | *shrug* Remember, this is volunteer work. No reason to get so frustrated your beard falls out. |
| 16:10.06 | sjansen | If worse comes to worst, you can just say "I couldn't process the files. Maybe their format was corrupted." |
| 16:10.09 | elg | heh. I'm not getting frustrated |
| 16:10.21 | elg | just seeing if anyone else has any insights |
| 16:11.17 | sjansen | elg: I like cheese. |
| 16:11.25 | elg | frustrating is that iMovie can't import from an (unencrypted) DVD for no apparent reason, so I have to shuffle files around to get enough working space on my HDD to transcode it twice |
| 16:11.35 | sjansen | Or did you want a useful insight? |
| 16:11.42 | elg | i'll take what I can get |
| 16:11.49 | elg | speaking of cheese, anyone seen that rat movie yet? |
| 16:12.10 | sjansen | Never fly through LHR. Friends don't let friend connect in Heathrow. |
| 16:12.38 | elg | heh |
| 16:13.19 | elg | ah hah. it opens in a browser if I point it at the .swf file |
| 16:13.30 | elg | so I bet if I stick it on the web I could use one of those flash video scraping sites |
| 16:14.54 | ^Migs^ | .swf files AREN'T video files |
| 16:17.07 | sjansen | Isn't .swf distributed.net's data interchange format for their Tic Tac Toe Solver? |
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| 16:23.39 | elg | ^Migs^: that's the problem |
| 16:24.05 | elg | I need to extract the playback of the swf file as a video, somehow or another |
| 16:33.57 | ^Migs^ | is there any interactive content? |
| 16:34.48 | ^Migs^ | where's that site that automatically converts video files? |
| 16:35.02 | elg | no interactive |
| 16:37.14 | ^Migs^ | I know I've seen converters that can do that |
| 16:43.51 | mheath | IIRC, .swf contains the interactive content, and theres a seperate file that contains the actual streaming video stuff |
| 16:50.21 | elg | separate part of the file maybe |
| 16:50.26 | elg | but it's all self-contained in this one file |
| 16:50.43 | elg | make |
| 16:52.49 | sjansen | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 16:53.02 | elg | he stopped |
| 17:01.13 | tensai | ~lart scratched cds |
| 17:01.13 | ibot | hauls scratched cds up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 17:01.43 | findlay | tensai: who's the conductor |
| 17:01.55 | findlay | ? |
| 17:01.57 | tensai | findlay: rafael kubelik |
| 17:02.05 | findlay | that's the one I have |
| 17:02.14 | findlay | listen to the 8th symphony, it's magic |
| 17:02.23 | tensai | that's the one that's scratched :( |
| 17:02.27 | findlay | aw :( |
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| 17:03.19 | tensai | I know. I went straight for that one, having heard of its glory, and was sorely disappointed. it may still work. we'll see. |
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| 17:03.57 | findlay | speaking of music |
| 17:04.12 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 17:05.51 | findlay | good thing I have my headphones today |
| 17:09.23 | tensai | ugh, the radio. that's where bad music goes to hide. |
| 17:11.22 | findlay | yup |
| 17:13.10 | elg | you ain't never suffered due to radios until you've lived in or near el paso |
| 17:13.23 | sjansen | Call me a sell out, but I actually enjoy Jack FM. |
| 17:13.40 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 17:13.50 | fozzmoo | I like that you never know what they're going to play. |
| 17:14.01 | elg | would you like fries with that? |
| 17:14.02 | levi | sjansen: Yeah, but they replaced KJQ. |
| 17:14.15 | sjansen | *shrug* |
| 17:14.15 | elg | the best radio station that ever was on the eart |
| 17:14.22 | findlay | the thing I hate the most about the radio is the stations that spend so much airtime declaring how special they are because they don't spend a lot of air time on talking |
| 17:14.24 | fozzmoo | KJQ could have been replaced by country or something. |
| 17:14.33 | sjansen | All I'm saying is occasionally in my travels I stumble across decent radio stations. |
| 17:14.39 | fozzmoo | findlay: Talk radio doesn't do that. :) |
| 17:14.45 | sjansen | And better than 50% of the time, they all turn out to be Jack FM. |
| 17:15.08 | levi | So Jack FM is some ClearChannel station? |
| 17:15.09 | findlay | fozzmoo: well I spend one summer doing construction and I was quite amused by it |
| 17:15.23 | findlay | s/ spend/, spent/ |
| 17:15.39 | elg | i'm sorry, I can't find brain damage amusing |
| 17:15.51 | sjansen | Jack FM is the ultimate in corporate radio. No local flavor at all. No human DJs, just merciless algorithmns. |
| 17:16.08 | findlay | elg: it was in a kind of manaical amusement |
| 17:16.24 | fozzmoo | "More music! Less talk! That's what makes us better than the other statiosn that have less music and more talk. If you want more music and less talk, you're at the right place. If you don't, well, go somewhere else. More music! Less Talk! NOW!" |
| 17:16.26 | elg | there is an interesting research question there though |
| 17:16.27 | levi | Kind of like 99.5, but without the stupid voicemail? |
| 17:16.39 | sjansen | The thing that makes most radio lousy is the lack of variety. All they play is top 10 recent hits ad naseum. |
| 17:16.43 | elg | is brain damaged caused by country music, or do people listen to country music because they're brain damaged? |
| 17:16.46 | fozzmoo | levi: Some of those voicemail things are entertaining. |
| 17:16.58 | fozzmoo | elg: It's a chicken-egg scenario, I know. |
| 17:17.02 | levi | fozzmoo: I'd rather be entertained by music. |
| 17:17.09 | sjansen | Jack FM on the other hand, has a giant library and a good randomizer. |
| 17:17.43 | findlay | but they still suffer from the temptation to self-promote |
| 17:17.57 | fozzmoo | Less promotion! More music! |
| 17:18.09 | findlay | heh |
| 17:18.10 | fozzmoo | Rock-55.9! |
| 17:19.08 | findlay | before 102.7 MHz went KSL-FM I wondered if they had some kind of program to say their radio frequency a certain number of times per minute |
| 17:19.24 | findlay | like 10-20 times |
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| 17:20.00 | fozzmoo | The last version of KJQ was so cool. |
| 17:20.20 | fozzmoo | My brother dated "Allison Steele" |
| 17:20.25 | fozzmoo | (not her real name, obviously) |
| 17:20.34 | levi | It was so cool when it first started, but it kind of went downhill towards the end. |
| 17:20.45 | fozzmoo | I got to hear how everyone just showed up one day and it was over. |
| 17:21.37 | fozzmoo | There was another female DJ on there... who just typified KJQ |
| 17:21.47 | fozzmoo | She was like a time traveler from 1985 |
| 17:21.51 | fozzmoo | I can't remember her name right now. |
| 17:21.59 | levi | I saw some sort of vehicle in the Lowes parking lot all decorated with KJQ stuff. Looked like one of their official cars or something. |
| 17:22.06 | elg | martina mcfly? |
| 17:22.09 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 17:22.20 | levi | http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 17:22.21 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 17:23.08 | fozzmoo | huh. |
| 17:23.23 | elg | levi's been doing a little too much home improvement |
| 17:23.38 | levi | elg: That's all finished, for now.; |
| 17:24.00 | levi | elg: Now I just do a lot of sweeping and stuff as we keep the place nice for prospective buyers. |
| 17:24.13 | elg | where do you want to go? |
| 17:24.19 | elg | a house that's not a condo? |
| 17:24.23 | findlay | windows has ugly default fonts |
| 17:24.24 | levi | Pretty much. :) |
| 17:24.34 | levi | Though we're considering townhomes. |
| 17:24.36 | elg | cool. then you can build a brick oven and grow herbs |
| 17:24.46 | levi | We actually have a tiny herb garden in a container now. |
| 17:25.05 | levi | We've got basil, oregano, dill, and some green onions. |
| 17:25.42 | levi | They're never going to get very big in the container they're in, but hopefully we'll be able to transplant them to the ground when we move. |
| 17:27.29 | levi | Hmm, my home computer just disappeared from the net again. I'll bet my daughter pushed the power button... |
| 17:27.42 | levi | I really need to disconnect that button. |
| 17:28.10 | elg | or make it play a scary sound |
| 17:28.31 | elg | as long as she isn't in the habit of holding it in for 4+ seconds |
| 17:29.08 | levi | Actually, she probably pushed the standby button on the cable modem, since I can't even reach my router. |
| 17:29.43 | findlay | that's funny |
| 17:30.24 | levi | There we go, back up again. |
| 17:31.38 | tensai | I covered my power button with duct tape. out of sight, out of mind. it worked for a few months. |
| 17:31.56 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:32.01 | tensai | the best solution was moving the server up on a shelf where the kids can't reach it |
| 17:32.20 | levi | Yeah. Once I move... |
| 17:32.37 | elg | my son will once in a while unplug the phone cable from the wall (that goes to the dsl modem) |
| 17:33.13 | tensai | elg: another problem I solved with the same Tall Shelf(tm) |
| 17:34.18 | levi | Gah, connection down again. |
| 17:34.38 | levi | And back up. |
| 17:34.41 | levi | She must be busy. :) |
| 17:34.55 | elg | tensai: you put the wall jack on the tall shelf? |
| 17:35.36 | tensai | elg: rewired the house and put my 66 block up high. ran that directly to the dsl modem. it's also nice because now I only need one dsl line filter for the whole house. |
| 17:36.34 | elg | ah cool |
| 17:36.53 | levi | That's one solution that doesn't work in an apartment. |
| 17:36.58 | elg | yeah, I just have a phone line running to the phone jack which is in a fairly stupid and child-accessible location |
| 17:37.22 | elg | I think we have a grand total of 2 phone jacks |
| 17:37.27 | elg | one in the bedroom |
| 17:41.37 | findlay | do they not sell laptop IDE drives anymore? |
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| 17:43.43 | elg | findlay: junkyards |
| 17:48.42 | findlay | elg: so what would you recommend for an old laptop with a bad IDE drive? |
| 17:49.34 | elg | what would you recommend for an old car with a bad taillight? |
| 17:50.08 | findlay | elg: buy a new tail light |
| 17:50.20 | elg | can't |
| 17:50.24 | elg | they're not in stores |
| 17:50.42 | findlay | so there's nothing to do |
| 17:50.49 | elg | you go to the junkyard |
| 17:50.53 | elg | and get a tailllight |
| 17:51.50 | elg | hard drives are more interchangeable than taillights |
| 17:53.16 | findlay | but that doesn't mean you can plug an ATA drive in an IDE slo |
| 17:53.18 | findlay | t |
| 17:54.15 | elg | you mean SATA? |
| 17:54.37 | findlay | I guess |
| 17:56.20 | elg | you probably shouldn't guess. |
| 17:56.23 | ^Migs^ | these wireless headphones I just got suck |
| 17:56.25 | elg | ATA and SATA are different |
| 17:56.29 | ^Migs^ | noise cancelling my rear |
| 17:56.31 | elg | ATA is another name for good ol' IDE |
| 17:57.03 | findlay | oh |
| 17:58.54 | findlay | so I guess ATA-6 would work |
| 18:02.37 | tensai | findlay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment#ATA_standards_versions.2C_transfer_rates.2C_and_features |
| 18:03.03 | tensai | ATA-6 is good ole parallel ATA at up to 100mhz, so it should work fine |
| 18:03.13 | findlay | so the old ATA went PATA at the advent of SATA |
| 18:03.35 | findlay | ~wikipeida++ |
| 18:04.51 | mheath | ~lart wikipedia |
| 18:04.51 | ibot | executes killall -TERM wikipedia |
| 18:05.01 | mheath | wow, that was pure coincidence |
| 18:05.03 | mheath | Sorry, findlay |
| 18:05.11 | mheath | My ~lart was not in spite of your incrementation. |
| 18:05.21 | findlay | wikipedia is a big place. I'm sure it can handle it |
| 18:06.06 | mheath | I just realized that I just spent way too long looking through various wikipedia articles. |
| 18:09.02 | mheath | so...hmm |
| 18:09.10 | mheath | I think I'm going to register for some classes today. |
| 18:17.04 | mheath | Hmm |
| 18:17.38 | mheath | Would an Associates degree in General Studies fill all the general requirements for a bachelors degree at most universities? |
| 18:23.59 | ^Migs^ | how do you tell Google Maps which city you want, when a state has two cities by the same name? |
| 18:24.30 | herlo | ^Migs^: zip code? |
| 18:24.59 | ^Migs^ | but I don't know the zip code |
| 18:25.49 | herlo | ^Migs^: well, that'll be a problem |
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| 18:27.41 | mheath | ^Migs^: What exactly are you trying to do with the city name? |
| 18:27.48 | mheath | Look up directions, etc? |
| 18:29.35 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 18:29.35 | mheath | You can use longitude/latitude, but not sure if that will fit your need |
| 18:29.46 | ^Migs^ | trying to figure out distance, etc. |
| 18:30.18 | mheath | ^Migs^: another suggestion.... |
| 18:30.20 | findlay | ha, you need non-Euclidian math |
| 18:30.44 | mheath | Drag your starting/ending point to the correct city? :) |
| 18:30.52 | mheath | They have the drag-to-change-directions feature now |
| 18:35.04 | ^Migs^ | it's okay, I don't want to visit the stupid city anymore |
| 18:35.17 | ^Migs^ | I'm trying to find a good camping place that's not too far away |
| 18:35.26 | ^Migs^ | somewhere for this Thursday-Saturday |
| 18:38.45 | findlay | but, you're not skimping on this opportunity to use non-Euclidian math? :( |
| 18:39.49 | elg | non-euclidian math? or non-euclidian geometry? |
| 18:51.03 | findlay | the non-Euclidianness is implied in the transform |
| 18:51.21 | ^Migs^ | you could deeuclidianize it first |
| 18:51.52 | findlay | hm, I guess |
| 18:52.37 | findlay | if there's a mapping from one to the other |
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| 19:00.00 | ^Migs^ | what's a good campsite with a river in northern Utah? |
| 19:00.16 | ^Migs^ | just a river for kids to wade in, etc. |
| 19:00.59 | findlay | you can campout in my front yard. The Provo river is just across the street |
| 19:01.31 | dataw0lf | ah, I have to get my fishing license today, thanks for reminding me |
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| 19:06.14 | ^Migs^ | can I really camp in your front yard? |
| 19:06.31 | ^Migs^ | I'll let you sleep in my tent |
| 19:08.58 | findlay | ^Migs^: well, I don't own the place :-) |
| 19:09.04 | findlay | it's just an apartment |
| 19:09.09 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 19:09.20 | findlay | if I did, I'd totally do it |
| 19:09.23 | ^Migs^ | then why'd you say I could camp in your front yard? I was getting all excited. |
| 19:09.30 | findlay | sorry |
| 19:09.32 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that'd be awesome |
| 19:09.33 | ^Migs^ | it's okay |
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| 19:10.45 | ^Migs^ | do you know what the policy is on starting campfires in your apartment's front yard? |
| 19:10.55 | findlay | don't know |
| 19:11.58 | dataw0lf | depends on the fire conditions |
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| 19:12.07 | dataw0lf | in your area |
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| 20:27.46 | mheath | yah, got lots of good stuff to do homemade spaghetti + sauce tonight. :) |
| 20:27.54 | mheath | How is the irssi site slow? O.o |
| 20:28.34 | lukfugl | mheath: just ibot randomness |
| 20:29.08 | findlay | -chat about the irssi |
| 20:29.08 | brac | the irssi will be perfect |
| 20:29.12 | findlay | -chat about the irssi |
| 20:29.12 | brac | the irssi will be nice to each other. |
| 20:29.17 | findlay | heh |
| 20:29.19 | findlay | -chat about the irssi |
| 20:29.20 | brac | the irssi session, and currently reference 112621 factoids. I'm using ODBC VM? |
| 20:29.25 | lukfugl | elg: you in here? |
| 20:29.35 | lukfugl | nope |
| 20:29.58 | mheath | http://irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png |
| 20:30.08 | mheath | That has to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen :P |
| 20:30.38 | findlay | mheath: I've got it installed |
| 20:30.47 | findlay | oh yeah |
| 20:30.48 | lukfugl | so, I bought a laptop saturday. installed ubuntu (7.07) on a partition. closed the lid. it won't power up/wake up |
| 20:30.51 | lukfugl | any ideas? |
| 20:31.04 | findlay | lukfugl: give it to me and your problems will be over |
| 20:31.14 | mheath | You mean, pressing the power button doesn't turn it on? |
| 20:31.26 | findlay | did you apply 50,000 volts? |
| 20:31.35 | lukfugl | acer aspire 5610. when I hit the power button the led lights up for about a second, and you can hear the drive start to spin, but also for less than a second |
| 20:31.45 | lukfugl | then nothing |
| 20:31.47 | findlay | and then it turns off? |
| 20:31.49 | mheath | OK |
| 20:31.55 | findlay | I bet it's a power issue |
| 20:32.01 | findlay | new? |
| 20:32.04 | mheath | Well, Linux plays with the sleep modes of certain laptops really, really poorly. |
| 20:32.17 | mheath | Chances are you got it stuck in a sleep mode Linux can't get it out of |
| 20:32.25 | mheath | Try doing a hard shutdown |
| 20:32.29 | findlay | possibly |
| 20:32.30 | mheath | Unplug it, and take out the battery |
| 20:32.39 | mheath | Hold down the power button for about a minute |
| 20:32.44 | mheath | Then try starting it up :) |
| 20:32.56 | findlay | and put your tongue on the DC power input |
| 20:33.02 | mheath | That would work too. |
| 20:33.06 | findlay | heh |
| 20:33.11 | lukfugl | findlay: "new?" yes |
| 20:33.21 | findlay | lukfugl: I think mheath is right |
| 20:33.23 | lukfugl | mheath: that's what I suspect |
| 20:33.58 | mheath | I've never gotten sleep or hibernate to work on my Compaq Presario laptop in Linux |
| 20:34.05 | mheath | Running Linux on that thing is a waste of time =\ |
| 20:34.08 | lukfugl | mheath: I tried taking the battery out, unplugging, etc. I even opened it up (non-warranty voiding) to try and find a bios battery |
| 20:34.21 | findlay | obviously the laptop's fault |
| 20:34.22 | lukfugl | I'll try adding the "hold the button down for a minute" ingredient |
| 20:35.01 | lukfugl | but it will be this evening (I'm at work, it's at home) |
| 20:35.18 | mheath | Try looking up your computers BIOS-setup-access key too |
| 20:35.22 | mheath | and trying to get into it |
| 20:35.31 | lukfugl | if that doesn't work, I'll be taking it in for an exchange and be more careful before putting it to sleep in linux |
| 20:35.42 | mheath | mmm. I even bought some fresh oregano for my spaghetti sauce! |
| 20:36.22 | mheath | Tomato sauce, ground beef, oregano, brown sugar, salt, garlic powder, onions....mmmm-mmmm--mmm! |
| 20:37.08 | findlay | 'Up next, how mheath manages to ruin his homemade spaghetti dinner and the account of the uninvited alien from the Alpha Quadrant' |
| 20:37.26 | lukfugl | mheath: it doesn't get far enough to even access the bios |
| 20:37.41 | mheath | lukfugl: try the hold the power button down thing =\ |
| 20:37.47 | lukfugl | yeah, I will |
| 20:37.51 | mheath | if not, sounds like you have a certified brick. |
| 20:39.34 | mheath | well, no |
| 20:39.37 | mheath | Its more tile shaped. |
| 20:39.42 | mheath | A certified tile. |
| 20:56.15 | bonez44 | which file contains information about other machines on a network? for example, let's say i have a machine named 'david' with IP 192.168.1.20 and I want to just type ssh david instead of ssh 192.168.1.20 where do I enter david 192.168.1.20 to make that work? in which file? |
| 20:59.18 | bonez44 | ne1? |
| 20:59.53 | fungus | /etc/hosts |
| 20:59.59 | nick125_ | bonez44: You could put it in /etc/hosts |
| 21:00.16 | fungus | man 5 hosts |
| 21:00.18 | nick125_ | or, if you have a local DNS server, just add a few DNS records there |
| 21:01.56 | nick125_ | (DNS server would probably be best, since you don't have to maintain /etc/hosts on all of your machines, just one) |
| 21:02.32 | fungus | I agree, but my guess is that since he doesn't already know about the hosts file, he doesn't have a local DNS server. |
| 21:02.54 | nick125_ | Aah. |
| 21:02.57 | fungus | DNS++ |
| 21:03.43 | bonez44 | nick125_, ok.... |
| 21:04.27 | nick125_ | Well, I guess that would be dependant on how many machines you have |
| 21:12.21 | bonez44 | nick125_, that was the key...my /etc/hosts got hosed during a reckless running Saturday of 'aptitude'.... |
| 21:12.51 | bonez44 | fungus, you are right, I am totally clueless about manything...but I keep pluggin away...learning slowly... |
| 21:13.06 | nick125_ | I didn't think aptitude was configuration-destructive |
| 21:13.52 | bonez44 | oh, I opened aptitude..and hit a couple packages i wanted to purge..and it proceeded to yank out much of KDE...and applets...and jpilot..and other tools before I pulled it off..and stoppped it |
| 21:14.34 | mheath | Man, I'm excited. Good movies coming out soon. |
| 21:14.45 | mheath | Harry Potter, Simpsons, the final Harry Potter book.. |
| 21:15.09 | nick125_ | bonez44: The weird thing is that I've never seen aptitude destroy config files before (I haven't used it a lot though). |
| 21:16.10 | nick125_ | I don't think it would even touch /etc/hosts, unless it was updating a core package |
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| 21:18.17 | mheath | Depends entirely on the settings and situation |
| 21:19.15 | bonez44 | well, I know I didn't tweak my hosts file...at least not at all intentionally, something else deleted it... |
| 21:19.29 | bonez44 | mheath, how about Bourne Ultimatum? |
| 21:21.04 | mheath | No, sorry |
| 21:21.12 | mheath | See, my idea of "good movie" is fufilled by two things: |
| 21:21.21 | mheath | 1) Great epic movies you look forward to |
| 21:21.22 | mheath | and |
| 21:21.35 | mheath | 2) Really good movies, that are well written, directed, and acted |
| 21:29.26 | bonez44 | I expect a fairly good effort..but I like the fact that the popcorn is great....my boys MUST sit still and watch...no running around, no fighting.... and no distractions... |
| 21:29.53 | tensai | mheath: you want to see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053143/ then |
| 21:29.56 | brac | [Operation Petticoat (1959)] |
| 21:33.22 | bonez44 | petticoat? |
| 21:36.53 | Jayce^ | Tene, classic movie |
| 21:36.58 | Jayce^ | tensai... |
| 21:37.30 | tensai | cary grant + pink submarine = what's not to love? |
| 21:38.11 | mheath | tensai: heh, not really... |
| 21:38.13 | mheath | Interesting, though |
| 21:38.21 | mheath | Females on submarines is a hot topic in the US navy atm |
| 21:38.26 | mheath | It's happening, though. |
| 21:38.53 | dataw0lf | bonez44: can't wait til Bourne Ultimatum |
| 21:39.23 | mheath | mmm this spaghetti is going to be good! |
| 21:39.29 | dataw0lf | going to see Transformers tomorrow |
| 21:39.32 | mheath | Only way it could be beter is if I used fresh tomatoes for the tomato sauce base |
| 21:39.59 | mheath | Where does that quote come from originally? |
| 21:39.59 | mheath | "It is not only possible, it is essential!" |
| 21:40.00 | mheath | I know its in Dr. Strangelove |
| 21:40.57 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, transformers, 10pm tonight :) |
| 21:40.57 | Jayce^ | bourne++ |
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| 21:41.28 | markl_ | Jayce^: hey how's it going? |
| 21:41.52 | Jayce^ | markl_, you missed a fun weekend, Chris and Dan had to deal with a GS outage |
| 21:42.11 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: missed a ticket to go see Transformers in imax, :`( |
| 21:42.20 | Jayce^ | levi, here's an oscon presentation you might like : Simon Peyton-Jones, Microsoft Research -- "Transactional Memory forConcurrent Programming" |
| 21:42.28 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, that would be nice.. |
| 21:42.32 | mheath | I'm nervous about Transformers |
| 21:42.44 | mheath | SOmething that could turn out to be really, really cool or really horrible |
| 21:42.54 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea, stupid brother who can't seem to pick up tickets when I tell him to |
| 21:43.17 | mheath | I'm younger than you all, though....I have more watching-saturday-morning-cartoons nostalgia for Transformers than any of you, probably. |
| 21:43.28 | dataw0lf | uh |
| 21:43.32 | dataw0lf | you were past the transformers era |
| 21:43.39 | levi | Jayce^: Sounds interesting indeed. SP-J has done a lot of research in that area. |
| 21:43.55 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, nah, he was around for the micro-bots or something... |
| 21:44.27 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea |
| 21:44.40 | dataw0lf | transformers showed from 84-87 |
| 21:45.22 | dataw0lf | stunticons! |
| 21:45.34 | Jayce^ | dinobots :) |
| 21:46.10 | Jayce^ | so dataw0lf , when you coming out for paintball? |
| 21:46.15 | dataw0lf | constructicons! |
| 21:46.20 | Jayce^ | you should at least try to make it to aliens in the rockies this year |
| 21:46.25 | dataw0lf | I'll be in town this weekend |
| 21:46.28 | dataw0lf | but got plans |
| 21:46.32 | levi | Jayce^: I'm happy that Microsoft employs people to do cool OS and programming language research, even if they don't actually use a lot of it in their products. |
| 21:46.34 | mheath | Heh, I wish I could present at OSCON =\ I was sitll in SC when the deadline for submissions passed, I think. |
| 21:46.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, I've played the last few, can't do it this weeken |
| 21:46.52 | dataw0lf | when is aliens going on? |
| 21:47.05 | Jayce^ | August, 24th or so.. |
| 21:47.10 | Jayce^ | paradoxgames.com |
| 21:47.28 | mheath | bah, no one invites me to paintball :P |
| 21:47.54 | Jayce^ | mheath, just look at the schedules, I'll gladly shoot you at any of them... |
| 21:48.05 | mheath | heh, I'd feel odd just going without anyone there |
| 21:48.19 | mheath | They play in Logan? Where in Logan? |
| 21:48.32 | mheath | I played at a paintabll place just outside of logan once |
| 21:48.32 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: hm, I dunno if I'll be able to make it, I gotta go to Burning Man a couple days afterwards |
| 21:48.54 | mheath | erm, wasn't so much a paintball place as an...empty area that we were invited to paintball at :P |
| 21:48.56 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, hit both, make it a nice run.. |
| 21:49.11 | Jayce^ | mheath, there is a google maps link on the site |
| 21:49.27 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: ah, but I'm hitting up Comicon and Defcon within a month of that too ... dunno if I can get that much time off |
| 21:50.39 | mheath | Aliens sounds cool. I might bring my brother up there... |
| 21:51.23 | dataw0lf | what type of marker do you have mheath? |
| 21:52.49 | Jayce^ | yeah, tried an apex on my new ego, very cool, but dang if it isnt' louder than my regular. |
| 21:52.57 | mheath | dataw0lf: A cheap spyder pilot |
| 21:53.15 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: really? |
| 21:53.32 | dataw0lf | my Apex is so much quieter than my flatline |
| 21:53.47 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, but compared to even the stock ego barrel.. |
| 21:53.54 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 21:53.58 | Jayce^ | and most of our team has been going for the upgraded Sly kit.. |
| 21:54.13 | mheath | never got too much into the paintball thing other than to go and play a bit every once in a while |
| 21:54.14 | Jayce^ | although I might wait, looking at getting a Stiffi sponsorship |
| 21:54.20 | dataw0lf | nice! |
| 21:54.25 | mheath | PLayed twice while I was in USMC DEP |
| 21:54.39 | mheath | played a few times while I was in charleston, including a big MWR event |
| 21:57.26 | mheath | *shrug* |
| 21:57.35 | mheath | Jayce^: you go to that Aliens thing? |
| 21:58.08 | Jayce^ | yeah, my team was the blackcell Ops last year, this year they might haev us as generals instead, since we worked it too much :) |
| 21:58.44 | mheath | your team? wait, can me and my brother just register and single players, or do we have to have a team? |
| 21:58.53 | Jayce^ | single players.. |
| 21:59.21 | mheath | Pardon my ignorance. Like I said, I'm not a big paintball player except for ocassionally |
| 21:59.24 | Jayce^ | a couple of the pro, and semi-pro teams are set as the 'seeds' for the two sides, and one as black-cell |
| 21:59.35 | Jayce^ | then their friends sign up for that team if they want |
| 21:59.44 | Jayce^ | and the walk-ons round out to help make things even |
| 21:59.59 | Jayce^ | that way you have advanced people split between the two sides |
| 22:00.11 | mheath | ah cool |
| 22:00.12 | Jayce^ | and they can teach/make the experience fun for all the noobs |
| 22:00.13 | mheath | It sounds fun |
| 22:00.27 | mheath | I'll probably go, if I can talk my brother into it |
| 22:00.37 | mheath | Man, this is a cheap gun...can't remember how much I paid for it |
| 22:01.05 | mheath | I don't like having a weapon that depends on a battery. |
| 22:01.37 | Jayce^ | the majority of people have guns in that class |
| 22:01.50 | Jayce^ | my main gun relies on 3 batteries (1 gun, two in hopper) |
| 22:02.03 | dataw0lf | yar, 1 in gun, 1 in hopper |
| 22:02.15 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, which hopper? |
| 22:02.55 | mheath | Yeah, theres a battery in the hopper too |
| 22:02.56 | dataw0lf | an Empire, can't remember the exact type |
| 22:03.10 | mheath | the hopper moter is really noisy though |
| 22:03.11 | Jayce^ | hrm, most halo's would require more than 1.. |
| 22:03.19 | mheath | It would make me nervous trying to stealth at all with that thing |
| 22:03.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, my revvy is pretty quite, great eye, excellent battery usage... but only rated at 12-15 bps.. |
| 22:03.44 | Jayce^ | of course, for what I do, it's plenty |
| 22:03.55 | Jayce^ | I'm not too caring on doing beyond that.. |
| 22:04.03 | mheath | "only" 12-15 bps? |
| 22:04.13 | Jayce^ | although was shooting a pulse on my gun the other day, and was at 23.. |
| 22:04.26 | Jayce^ | needed to adjust the trigger some to pull beyond then.. |
| 22:04.37 | mheath | pulse? burst fire? |
| 22:04.50 | Jayce^ | mheath, when you play speedball, the term tape-line really has meaning |
| 22:04.57 | Jayce^ | no, pulse is a type of loader.. |
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| 22:05.35 | mheath | wow, they even have camping up there..For Aliens |
| 22:05.43 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:05.54 | Jayce^ | night game, then start again in the morning |
| 22:06.27 | mheath | wow |
| 22:06.29 | Jayce^ | need to get around to blogging about this gun, maybe this week.. |
| 22:06.32 | mheath | This is sounding cooler and cooler |
| 22:06.37 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 22:06.38 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 22:06.39 | Jayce^ | here are some pics http://forum.teamdesertedge.com/viewtopic.php?t=876 |
| 22:06.47 | Jayce^ | I did the swap of the silver/black parts.. |
| 22:06.47 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 22:06.57 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 22:07.16 | mheath | nice. makes my little spyder pilot feel really cheap =\ |
| 22:07.31 | goozbach | look at them later as i am on my new phone testing the power of edge! |
| 22:07.40 | Jayce^ | mheath, yeah well, took me about 16 years of playing, and a sponsorship to finally get a gun like that :) |
| 22:07.43 | goozbach | yay treo! |
| 22:07.53 | mheath | To be honest, I haven't shot this thing yet....last couple games I've played in, I've been forced into cheap rentals |
| 22:07.56 | goozbach | 755p |
| 22:07.59 | mheath | It will be interesting to see how this preforms |
| 22:08.27 | mheath | Jayce^: stupid question, but where can I get a refillable CO2 tank for one of these? paradox games site says theres free air / CO2 for the event... |
| 22:08.27 | goozbach | redbeard1++ |
| 22:09.01 | goozbach | mheath: locally, pegleg paintball |
| 22:09.29 | Jayce^ | mheath, dont' you have a tank? |
| 22:09.57 | mheath | Jayce^: not a refillable one |
| 22:10.00 | Jayce^ | although a spare is nice.. |
| 22:10.23 | Jayce^ | uhh, any tank should be refillable, unless its that one 3oz tiny thin one they sell at wal-mart |
| 22:10.27 | elg | someone sponsored Jayce^s gun? like, here I'll give you money so you can shoot goozbach more accurately |
| 22:10.32 | Jayce^ | but pegleg, millenium, specops, wal-mart.. |
| 22:10.39 | elg | if you shoot him in the ___ |
| 22:10.42 | Jayce^ | elg, yeah, along those lines.. |
| 22:10.54 | mheath | elg: no, so he can shoot _me_ more actuately. |
| 22:10.59 | mheath | #utah will all enjoy that. |
| 22:11.24 | mheath | Jayce^: Uh, any recommendations on a good but low price hopper? |
| 22:11.32 | mheath | I have a really cheap one, the motor in it is really noisy.. |
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| 22:12.04 | Jayce^ | mheath, electronic, I'd go for the simple viewloader revolution (will say "with x-board") |
| 22:12.20 | Jayce^ | plenty fast, proven motor, reliable, replacable shell.. |
| 22:12.38 | Jayce^ | IR eye, so it only loads when there are no balls in the tube |
| 22:13.14 | mheath | Jayce^: I hate a "Quantum Viewloader" |
| 22:13.51 | Jayce^ | http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=MpYsbMJzNRIsqIT6SvzsxMjVl9aZsEPCMUM=?ProductID=7VqsFAY7u58AAAD3G0ClA_2t |
| 22:14.10 | Jayce^ | quantum's are a newer version |
| 22:14.29 | mheath | ouch. Thats half as much as I payed for my gun :P |
| 22:14.43 | Jayce^ | that's a cheap electronic loader |
| 22:14.53 | mheath | decently quiet? |
| 22:15.01 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 22:15.07 | Jayce^ | quite decent.. |
| 22:15.11 | mheath | Man, paintball guns feel awkward. I wish there was one with more of a rifle feel.. |
| 22:15.14 | Jayce^ | and will only need to turn on when you are firing anyways |
| 22:15.19 | Jayce^ | there are.. |
| 22:15.27 | dataw0lf | RAP |
| 22:15.33 | Jayce^ | look at an X7 in that case, with one of the kits |
| 22:16.11 | mheath | $299 for a gun...ouch.. |
| 22:16.41 | Jayce^ | that's nothing. |
| 22:16.50 | mheath | uh |
| 22:17.05 | mheath | I'm unemployed, and I currently own a Spyder Pilot that cost $120 for a kit :P |
| 22:17.07 | dataw0lf | my whole Tippman setup probably cost me around 600 dollars, and it was a pretty good deal |
| 22:17.27 | dataw0lf | and it's a tippman |
| 22:17.40 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, speaking of which, folks around here are picking up the full tech-t kits.. lots of praise for that |
| 22:17.51 | Jayce^ | the QEPH + pump arm + vortex |
| 22:18.12 | mheath | I don't play nearly enough to warrany paying hundreds of dollars for a toy gun |
| 22:18.37 | Jayce^ | probably don't need an electronic hopper either |
| 22:18.57 | Jayce^ | neighbor plays with a spider along your level, regular gravity hopper works fine.. |
| 22:19.03 | Jayce^ | has to shake it at times, but it's good enough |
| 22:19.05 | mheath | Jayce^: I already have one, its just noisy. :P |
| 22:19.17 | mheath | Jayce^: meh, this gun does have a fully automatic mode. And burst fire modes. |
| 22:19.19 | Jayce^ | mheath, wrap some neoprene around it then |
| 22:19.33 | Jayce^ | or duct tape some foam |
| 22:19.41 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea, I know a couple guys who have that setup |
| 22:19.42 | Jayce^ | that'll solve the problem cheaper than buying a new one |
| 22:19.47 | mheath | Jayce^: heh |
| 22:20.05 | elg | macgyver wouldn't `heh` |
| 22:20.06 | mheath | Thanks for mentioning that Alien game. Sounds cool, didn't know there was a big open tournament event like that around here |
| 22:20.13 | mheath | Maybe I'll see you there, Jayce^ :) |
| 22:20.37 | dataw0lf | maybe you won't see him, but you'll probably feel him |
| 22:20.40 | dataw0lf | his paintballs, that is |
| 22:20.51 | dataw0lf | he's gonna reach out and touch someone! |
| 22:20.58 | Jayce^ | mheath, there's at least one every month out here |
| 22:21.13 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, amen to that, a whole lotta someones :) |
| 22:21.44 | Jayce^ | mheath, we're easy to spot though inbetween stuff, very talkative group, all wearing our jerseys |
| 22:21.47 | mheath | dataw0lf: meh, proabably. |
| 22:22.03 | mheath | I don't feel any grief about getting the crap kicked out of me by someone who's been playing way, way, way longer than me |
| 22:22.12 | mheath | Maybe I'll get lucky and he'll be on my team :P |
| 22:22.20 | mheath | Anyway, time to go start my spaghetti sauce! be back later. |
| 22:22.53 | Jayce^ | mheath, that's the point, enough experience balanced on both teams to teach the newer folks |
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