| 00:05.04 | elg | levi_home: ever looked at quilt? (or mercurial's mq extension) |
| 00:18.08 | nick125_ | And I hope it doesn't horribly break anything |
| 00:20.43 | nick125_ | brb |
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| 00:24.21 | nick125- | boo for kernel panics |
| 00:24.51 | nick125- | I can't see the entire panic though. |
| 00:25.11 | nick125- | any ideas on making the console font smaller so I can read it? |
| 00:29.17 | Supaplex | not if you leave to quickly... |
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| 01:55.48 | Supaplex | TimRiker: hey there =) |
| 01:58.21 | nick125_ | Supaplex: That's not nice :p |
| 01:58.36 | Supaplex | now you're awake, right? :) |
| 01:59.07 | nick125_ | haha |
| 02:04.43 | nick125_ | I think either pidgin or AIM has a bug - a person on my buddy list just signed off an hour ago, but, it says that the last time they were seen was 17 hours ago. Ugh. |
| 02:17.10 | findlay | nick125_: maybe it's just some relativistic jitter |
| 02:17.23 | findlay | the earth is spinning up |
| 02:32.16 | TimRiker | it's all those rocks we took off the moon |
| 02:36.44 | Supaplex | TimRiker: mind if I pm you? |
| 03:02.08 | nick125_ | Anyone here both use turbogears and django? |
| 03:04.23 | nick125_ | Yay for portage using elog by default |
| 03:05.48 | nick125_ | I'm wondering what everyone's opinion of both is. |
| 03:10.20 | Lakshmi | is sargun_screen here ? |
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| 06:52.50 | findlay | hi |
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| 13:45.58 | goozbach | yay! last day |
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| 15:21.00 | Sargun | Anyone wanna go short some HMO stocks? |
| 15:56.25 | mrpull | Sargun: do you really think sicko will impact the market? |
| 15:56.49 | mrpull | last time i checked there isn't any gun control or bush impeachments following the Moore films |
| 15:58.10 | JoshH | ya, just because the health care system sucks for a lot of people doesn't mean there isn't a lot of money in it |
| 16:00.52 | Sargun | possibly. |
| 16:01.26 | Sargun | mrpull, Actually Moore's gun control film did effect the market a bit. |
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| 16:01.40 | mrpull | proof? |
| 16:01.44 | Sargun | I'm so happy lakshmi isn't here. |
| 16:01.46 | Sargun | ooh. |
| 16:01.48 | Sargun | ah, crap. |
| 16:02.45 | tensai | if anything it would have *affected* the market, since *effect* is a noun |
| 16:17.35 | mrpull | heh... just like #utah |
| 16:17.54 | mrpull | ask a legitimate question and it deteriorates into a grammar war before the discussion even begins. |
| 16:27.23 | tensai | mrpull: that's what I'm here for |
| 16:30.08 | mrpull | moore is overrated |
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| 16:31.54 | tensai | from what I've seen, read and heard his films mix a lot of truth with a lot of conjecture and spin |
| 16:32.08 | tensai | more than anything I think what he has is money |
| 16:32.59 | JoshH | i think all he did was get bullets discontinued at kmart |
| 16:33.11 | rsimpkins | There are 55 people in the PLUG LinkedIN group now. |
| 16:36.11 | mrpull | does moore put that money to good use? |
| 16:36.27 | mrpull | shouldn't he split it equally among every citizen of the world? |
| 16:37.31 | rsimpkins | Moore admits to being very one-sided. |
| 16:37.43 | rsimpkins | Hopefully the audience understands that. |
| 16:37.52 | mrpull | he is a dang good interviewee |
| 16:38.05 | mrpull | smart and fast on his feet |
| 16:38.26 | mrpull | errr... fast on his tongue? |
| 16:38.27 | rsimpkins | I love his films, I know there is A LOT more to the issues than he shows, but they are good discussion starters. |
| 16:38.59 | JoshH | i thought bfc was a bunch of crap, but f911 was decent |
| 16:39.29 | rsimpkins | Above all, in all of his films, I love the point he brings up: America is NOT the best. It just isn't. So we need to get over ourselves. |
| 16:40.13 | mrpull | rsimpkins: what is the best if America isn't? |
| 16:40.23 | mrpull | i'll give you america isn't perfect |
| 16:40.30 | mrpull | but i still think it is the best |
| 16:41.24 | tensai | that's a very American way to look at it. why does one country have to be the best? |
| 16:41.55 | mrpull | tensai: true. let me qualify that. it is the best _for me_ |
| 16:42.50 | rsimpkins | All I know is that several of my co-workers who live in Denmark get a month vacation. |
| 16:42.53 | jsmith | What's wrong with patriotism? |
| 16:42.58 | tensai | that's fine then. we shouldn't just naturally assume that our way is the best for everybody though. |
| 16:42.59 | rsimpkins | So, where is my month long vacation? |
| 16:44.09 | rsimpkins | I think tensai needs a month long vacation too. :) |
| 16:44.31 | tensai | patriotism: the belief that your country is better than everyone elses because you were born there |
| 16:45.00 | tensai | rsimpkins: I'll second that. I don't know if I could endure the mountain of email upon my return. |
| 16:46.35 | jsmith | tensai: That's not how I define it... |
| 16:46.52 | tensai | jsmith: just throwing out food for thought |
| 16:48.37 | rsimpkins | We had some friends get back from the UK recently. They paid ~$11.00US for an imperial gallon of gas. That'd cost me $118.00US to fill up my car. |
| 16:48.38 | JoshH | how do you define it? |
| 16:49.04 | JoshH | i know people who think you aren't a patriot unless you have actually been to war, and i know people who think you aren't a patriot unless you hate everything about the government |
| 16:50.16 | rsimpkins | Being a patriot is marching in to McDonalds and ordering one of everything on the menu (including the shake) and consuming it in your SUV while driving down I-15 at 90MPH! |
| 16:50.21 | JoshH | i think a patriot is just someone who likes america and wants what's best for it, and of course the idea of what's best for america differs from person to person |
| 16:50.32 | JoshH | i think moore is a patriot in his own way |
| 16:51.09 | JoshH | but when someone takes nationalism to a dangerous extreme, that's not good patriotism |
| 16:52.13 | JoshH | in my opinion america is the best at some things, not so much at others |
| 16:52.33 | JoshH | europe is definitely better when it comes to vacation, maternity leave, etc |
| 16:52.41 | rsimpkins | From the dictionary: "a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion." |
| 16:52.42 | tensai | JoshH: don't forget cheese |
| 16:52.42 | JoshH | america sucks when it comes to math and science education |
| 16:53.51 | rsimpkins | America is best at consuming. |
| 16:53.56 | JoshH | and of course a lot of people think we aren't the best when it comes to copyright, broadband access, and other geek issues |
| 16:59.12 | dataw0lf | uh, no, being a patriot is NOT purchasing large amounts of crap, nor is it thinking your country is better than everyone elses |
| 16:59.16 | dataw0lf | nice try though |
| 16:59.23 | Supaplex | I still love it. argubally anything could be better, hopefully it will be as times goes on. |
| 16:59.39 | Supaplex | yea, mcd's comeon. :p |
| 17:01.53 | JoshH | ya, i'd rather live here than any other country for a variety of reasons, but there are plenty of areas where we aren't at the top |
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| 17:06.38 | PanicTheDude | hello? |
| 17:08.52 | findlay | ~welcome PanicTheDude |
| 17:08.53 | ibot | Hey, PanicTheDude! Glad you could join us. |
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| 17:09.29 | PanicTheDude | hi |
| 17:09.50 | goozbach | yay! Low Country Boil! |
| 17:10.16 | dataw0lf | mmmmm |
| 17:10.34 | PanicTheDude | how come when I join a channel |
| 17:10.38 | PanicTheDude | I never see people talking? |
| 17:11.01 | dataw0lf | perhaps you need to wear more deoderant. |
| 17:11.08 | dataw0lf | deodorant |
| 17:11.09 | dataw0lf | whatever |
| 17:11.29 | PanicTheDude | no seriously |
| 17:11.42 | findlay | JoshH: and the reasons for that are: 1 America is a HUGE country that doesn't enforce any higher education whatsoever, and 2 there are lots of smaller countries out there who push their kids so they can 'beat' America |
| 17:12.06 | findlay | PanicTheDude: you need to join channels like #gentoo, and #ubuntu |
| 17:12.20 | findlay | then people will be talking whether you just walked in or not |
| 17:12.31 | dataw0lf | oh yes, the better education in other countries largely stems from what I like to call "America Envy" |
| 17:12.59 | dataw0lf | most ridiculous supposition ever. |
| 17:13.07 | JoshH | it's because in other countries, they take education a lot more seriously, here it's just glorified daycare |
| 17:13.36 | redbeard2 | JoshH: i don't know that i agree with the "glorified" part of that |
| 17:13.50 | findlay | I'd rather leave it as it is rather than put burden the kids more |
| 17:14.05 | JoshH | our kids have it easy, what burden are you talking about |
| 17:14.09 | dataw0lf | burden? |
| 17:14.12 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 17:14.31 | dataw0lf | there are kids in Palestine walking to class with bullets flying over their head |
| 17:14.43 | findlay | well it sounds like you want some kind of Europeanesque socialism in education |
| 17:14.47 | dataw0lf | Try studying geometry when you have tanks rolling by |
| 17:14.51 | findlay | I want no part in that |
| 17:14.53 | JoshH | kids these days think they have it rough if you don't let them have a cell phone |
| 17:14.59 | dataw0lf | Socializing education in other countries has seemed to help |
| 17:15.04 | dataw0lf | So maybe I am |
| 17:15.06 | PanicTheDude | god and then paris hilton makes headlines |
| 17:15.12 | fozzmoo | No cell phone?! Man, that's rough. |
| 17:15.13 | findlay | ogn, no thanks |
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| 17:15.18 | findlay | s/n/h/ |
| 17:15.24 | findlay | whatever |
| 17:15.26 | Sargun | hey |
| 17:15.31 | PanicTheDude | hi |
| 17:15.35 | fozzmoo | Sargun: hey hey |
| 17:15.44 | Sargun | hey hey hey! |
| 17:15.50 | fozzmoo | hey ^ i |
| 17:15.51 | dataw0lf | hey hey hey HEY! |
| 17:16.12 | PanicTheDude | anyone here do silkscreening? |
| 17:16.27 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend does |
| 17:16.29 | JoshH | findlay: i don't necessarily mean socializing, i just mean we need to place more importance on the quality of education. |
| 17:16.54 | JoshH | places like japan and india are creaming us |
| 17:16.57 | dataw0lf | JoshH: I'd certainly be open to changing the culture on that regard, but that seems impossible nowadays. |
| 17:17.06 | PanicTheDude | well with the no child left behind act people don't have degrees in the subject they're teaching, just in education |
| 17:17.07 | rsimpkins | PanicTheDude: silkscreening with Linux? |
| 17:17.11 | dataw0lf | JoshH: and almost every central western european country |
| 17:17.14 | JoshH | ya |
| 17:17.25 | JoshH | the culture is what needs to be changed, eventually, as hard as that would be |
| 17:17.33 | PanicTheDude | well I want to be a teacher |
| 17:17.38 | PanicTheDude | but I want to be an artist as well |
| 17:17.42 | PanicTheDude | so if I go to art school |
| 17:17.48 | PanicTheDude | and get a masters in printmaking say |
| 17:17.49 | Sargun | JoshH, In india the schools suck (lower levels of education). Though, they take college level tests |
| 17:17.56 | Sargun | and test the students with them |
| 17:18.00 | PanicTheDude | then I can't teach |
| 17:18.02 | Sargun | its all premade testing material. |
| 17:18.10 | PanicTheDude | I have to get a degree in education to teach in the us |
| 17:18.17 | Sargun | The difference there, is that kids are forced to learn on their own |
| 17:18.18 | PanicTheDude | and then I could end up teaching physics |
| 17:18.25 | dataw0lf | PanicTheDude: I think there are several state programs that can bypass that |
| 17:18.26 | findlay | dataw0lf: I guess what I'm trying to say that America's freedom in higher education is one of its greatest strengths. If you take that away, you've denied the American spirit that characterizes all our original research and applied technology that gets developed here from having an effect on education when you turn students into automatons who are expected to fulfill some rigorous education programme chosen for them when they were young without recourse exce |
| 17:18.31 | Sargun | and they do that by reading the college text book |
| 17:18.41 | Sargun | and tutors. |
| 17:18.46 | PanicTheDude | dataw0lf: yeah I'm looking into that |
| 17:18.50 | Sargun | so here, rather than being spoon-fed high school level texts |
| 17:18.55 | dataw0lf | findlay: higher education is different, standardized k-12 is what I'm talking about |
| 17:19.03 | fozzmoo | Man, this is too deep for Friday afternoon. |
| 17:19.04 | Sargun | they actually have to filter texts, and understand them |
| 17:19.09 | findlay | dataw0lf: oh, ok :-), that's different |
| 17:19.12 | Sargun | Learn to learn first, and then learn. |
| 17:19.25 | fozzmoo | Sounds like "learn or be left behind." |
| 17:19.26 | dataw0lf | findlay: I certainly believe in the freedom to choose between higher education programs, definitely. |
| 17:19.33 | findlay | Sargun is a shining example :) |
| 17:19.37 | dataw0lf | our higher education system is pretty good. |
| 17:19.46 | JoshH | ya, i wasn't talking about higher education |
| 17:20.03 | JoshH | although it's hard to argue that the "free" higher ed people get in norway, etc has hurt those countries |
| 17:20.19 | dataw0lf | it's pretty easy to get a scholarship |
| 17:20.22 | JoshH | people just automatically equate the word "socialized" with stalin |
| 17:20.25 | findlay | JoshH: well Scandinavia is pretty socialist |
| 17:20.39 | dataw0lf | findlay: and doing pretty well.. |
| 17:20.47 | findlay | I'd rather not be taken care of my government, sorry |
| 17:20.56 | findlay | even if it means I get an easy life |
| 17:21.13 | goozbach | fozzmoo: this is a GOOD friday afternoon |
| 17:21.22 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeah? |
| 17:21.26 | goozbach | I am DONE in just a few short hours |
| 17:21.29 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 17:21.31 | goozbach | my LAST DAY!!! |
| 17:21.33 | fozzmoo | Yay. |
| 17:21.36 | dataw0lf | man, being in PST is a pain |
| 17:21.39 | Sargun | goozbach, Last day teaching, forever? |
| 17:21.48 | dataw0lf | I get to hear people talk about leaving work two, three hours before I do |
| 17:21.48 | Sargun | dataw0lf, where are you? |
| 17:21.53 | goozbach | Sargun: I haven't taught a class in over a year and a half |
| 17:21.54 | rsimpkins | I thought a degree in education basically means you know how to read from a textbook, and teach from a teachers manual, on any subject that has a textbook and teachers manual. |
| 17:21.56 | dataw0lf | Sargun: Tahoe |
| 17:22.00 | Sargun | oh |
| 17:22.01 | Sargun | Why? |
| 17:22.04 | JoshH | findlay: are you an anarcho-capitalist or what? |
| 17:22.05 | Sargun | Its on fire. |
| 17:22.08 | dataw0lf | good job, and I love the area |
| 17:22.14 | dataw0lf | North Lake Tahoe is on fire |
| 17:22.23 | Sargun | Its still on fire... |
| 17:22.27 | Sargun | :-P |
| 17:22.29 | dataw0lf | I live a couple mouths south of South Lake Tahoe |
| 17:22.37 | dataw0lf | yea, well, it's a pretty far distance |
| 17:22.38 | PanicTheDude | I |
| 17:22.41 | Sargun | oh |
| 17:22.41 | JoshH | that is a very nice area |
| 17:22.42 | findlay | JoshH: I don't konw what that means, but I don't really want any government babysitting |
| 17:22.42 | PanicTheDude | I'm in dc |
| 17:22.43 | rsimpkins | did everyone see the fire up by orem on the mountain? |
| 17:22.45 | goozbach | I'm at the Florida Department of Health for ~4 more hours |
| 17:22.46 | Sargun | goozbach, last day doing what? |
| 17:22.54 | rsimpkins | I saw a helicopter dropping stuff on it this morning. |
| 17:22.58 | JoshH | findlay: it's basically the extreme form if libertarianism |
| 17:22.58 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Heard about it ont he radio. |
| 17:23.02 | Sargun | goozbach, Why are you there? |
| 17:23.03 | fozzmoo | 300 acres. Mostly contained. |
| 17:23.07 | PanicTheDude | goozbach: do you just irc all day? |
| 17:23.16 | goozbach | and I'm done with my contract today |
| 17:23.17 | Sargun | goozbach, and where are you going |
| 17:23.22 | goozbach | (end of the fiscal year) |
| 17:23.28 | Sargun | oh, who are you being contracted by? |
| 17:23.28 | dataw0lf | err, jeez, I'm out of it, South Lake Tahoe is on fire, I'm a couple miles north of North Lake Tahoe |
| 17:23.35 | findlay | JoshH: I'm not saying that in a perfect society it could be good, but I'd just rather take care of myself than lose the freedom to do so |
| 17:23.35 | goozbach | Sargun: Cox Radio Interactive |
| 17:23.42 | goozbach | as a Sr Sys admin |
| 17:23.46 | Sargun | within the next 3 hours and 59 minutes they'll renew your contract. |
| 17:23.48 | JoshH | as long as you don't want the government censoring nipples on tv, providing police and firefighters, etc, then i can respect that opinion, but otherwise, you are ok with some socialist tendencies |
| 17:24.06 | findlay | JoshH: sure |
| 17:24.10 | goozbach | PanicTheDude: I've been on IRC 24/7 for the last ~5 years |
| 17:24.13 | Sargun | JoshH, I think they should do fire fighting |
| 17:24.17 | dataw0lf | I want the government to add more nipples on TV |
| 17:24.27 | goozbach | Sargun: I haven't renewed, but they renewed with a new guy |
| 17:24.36 | findlay | ~uptime |
| 17:24.45 | Sargun | certain organizations should be allowed to act as private defense contractors (cheap ones) |
| 17:24.53 | Sargun | and police should be there too |
| 17:24.56 | goozbach | Sargun: like Blackwater? |
| 17:24.59 | findlay | heh |
| 17:25.01 | Sargun | goozbach, yeah. |
| 17:25.05 | Sargun | haha |
| 17:25.11 | goozbach | derisivley even |
| 17:25.14 | findlay | no thanks |
| 17:25.18 | Sargun | goozbach, but Blackwater is out of my budget. |
| 17:25.22 | JoshH | findlay: i agree that the ultimate goal is to have as much freedom as possible, and i'm certainly no socialist myself |
| 17:25.23 | Sargun | I got a quote from them |
| 17:25.28 | Sargun | to take me from my house |
| 17:25.30 | Sargun | to LA |
| 17:25.30 | Supaplex | dataw0lf: you just can't get enough baby bottles eh? I'm sure you could glue all the nipples you wanted to your own tv |
| 17:25.38 | Sargun | and it was in the are of 6 digits. |
| 17:25.43 | JoshH | i'm just saying that i don't think it's "evil" in the european sense |
| 17:25.54 | goozbach | Sargun: why do you need Blackwater level protection? |
| 17:26.01 | Sargun | Oh, because it'd be neat. |
| 17:26.06 | Sargun | and it was by helicopter |
| 17:26.09 | goozbach | WTF? |
| 17:26.17 | Sargun | they would take me to the airport. |
| 17:26.22 | Sargun | secure the location |
| 17:26.23 | dataw0lf | Blackwater sucks |
| 17:26.25 | Sargun | take the heli |
| 17:26.31 | Sargun | land me outside of LA |
| 17:26.32 | JoshH | agreed dataw0lf |
| 17:26.34 | findlay | JoshH: well I don't think the real enemy is 'socialism' or 'libretarianism' but corruption |
| 17:26.35 | Sargun | and drive me into LA |
| 17:26.46 | dataw0lf | bunch of overweight rednecks who complain about the heat |
| 17:26.49 | PanicTheDude | how do I remember this channel, say I want to join it again tomorrow? |
| 17:27.01 | Sargun | PanicTheDude, the weird guys from utah |
| 17:27.06 | Sargun | and california! |
| 17:27.07 | fozzmoo | findlay: Corruption is always a concern... but socialism is evil. |
| 17:27.11 | dataw0lf | PanicTheDude: memory |
| 17:27.26 | JoshH | dataw0lf: i just don't like the idea of private contractors fighting a war, especially when they are getting paid a lot more than our troops and acting with almost no oversight |
| 17:27.35 | dataw0lf | JoshH: and better equipped |
| 17:27.44 | dataw0lf | although we would steal their equipment whenever we got the chance |
| 17:27.49 | goozbach | PanicTheDude: write this on a piece of paper: /connect irc.freenode.net; /join #utah; |
| 17:27.52 | rsimpkins | levi: 'The RSS-feed from Levi Pearson seems to be broken, due to " 113 No route to host".' |
| 17:28.09 | Supaplex | heh |
| 17:28.25 | PanicTheDude | so then with "write this on a piece of paper: /connect irc.freenode.net; /join #utah;" when I sign on I just type that in? |
| 17:28.54 | findlay | you could even type it up and cut and paste! |
| 17:29.26 | Sargun | PanicTheDude, where do you live, I'll send you a poster with irc://irc.freenode.net/#utah on it. |
| 17:29.27 | Sargun | er |
| 17:29.30 | Sargun | PanicTheDude, where do you live, I'll send you a poster with irc://irc.freenode.net/utah on it. |
| 17:29.57 | PanicTheDude | haha |
| 17:30.10 | Supaplex | email it to yourself, use google docs, gmail, or notebook |
| 17:30.16 | PanicTheDude | yeah I got |
| 17:30.19 | Sargun | Supaplex, s/or/and/ |
| 17:30.21 | PanicTheDude | I get it now |
| 17:30.48 | Sargun | or, depending on where you live, I can salt #UTAH into your lawn. |
| 17:30.55 | Supaplex | PanicTheDude: man pencil ; man paper ;) |
| 17:30.56 | PanicTheDude | lol |
| 17:31.03 | PanicTheDude | OK I GET IT |
| 17:31.12 | Supaplex | :) |
| 17:31.13 | Sargun | Supaplex, Hah. |
| 17:31.31 | Sargun | I don't think the channel understood |
| 17:31.56 | PanicTheDude | well damn I like irc |
| 17:32.03 | PanicTheDude | 8) |
| 17:32.26 | Supaplex | I'm sure fungus JoshH jsmith understood (to name a few) |
| 17:32.52 | PanicTheDude | lol |
| 17:33.12 | JoshH | i think i get it |
| 17:33.50 | Supaplex | you .. only think you get it? |
| 17:34.08 | JoshH | you know how i am on fridays |
| 17:34.44 | Supaplex | O.o |
| 17:35.07 | PanicTheDude | well guys thanks for the help, I'll be back on later |
| 17:36.11 | Supaplex | do you think chatzilla supports bookmarks? |
| 17:36.36 | Supaplex | last time I tried chatzill, I wanted my irssi back. |
| 17:36.47 | dataw0lf | never used it |
| 17:36.48 | Supaplex | s/zill/zilla/ |
| 17:37.06 | JoshH | i haven't tried anything since i first tried irssi |
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| 17:38.43 | Supaplex | I think it was on my mac, and I was too lazy to do anything else |
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| 17:55.13 | Lakshmi | hey sargun |
| 18:09.47 | findlay | hi Lakshmi ! |
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| 18:15.34 | Lakshmi | hi findlay ...whats sup? |
| 18:20.53 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:25.28 | Sargun | o.O? |
| 18:25.33 | Sargun | findlay, hi? |
| 18:25.41 | findlay | Sargun: hi? |
| 18:25.48 | Sargun | Did I do something i wasn't supposed to |
| 18:25.57 | findlay | I don't know |
| 18:26.04 | findlay | possibly |
| 18:26.18 | findlay | the FBI are about to beat down your door in 5 minutes |
| 18:29.21 | findlay | tell them I said 'hi' and that they'll never be able to catch me |
| 18:32.54 | jsmith | findlay: No, that's the NSA |
| 18:33.03 | jsmith | findlay: And they'll be coming in the window, not the door |
| 18:33.11 | findlay | really? |
| 18:34.03 | goozbach | jsmith: you haven't really ever worked with the NSA... They come through the wall |
| 18:34.20 | goozbach | SWAT comes through the window! geez! |
| 18:35.02 | jsmith | goozbach: I assert that I may or may not have worked with or for the NSA |
| 18:35.13 | goozbach | heh |
| 18:35.15 | goozbach | yeah |
| 18:35.17 | goozbach | assert away |
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| 18:35.22 | goozbach | mister NDA |
| 18:36.01 | jsmith | But I did spend the other night in a downtown D.C. central office for a very large telco |
| 18:36.34 | findlay | did they have free mints? |
| 18:37.30 | findlay | do cute girls live in DC? |
| 18:38.04 | dataw0lf | cute male pages do, according to the news |
| 18:38.40 | goozbach | findlay: just become a politiclico and find out :) |
| 18:38.50 | findlay | dataw0lf is just jealous because he doesn't know any cute girls |
| 18:39.07 | dataw0lf | I have a very cute girlfriend |
| 18:39.12 | findlay | aw |
| 18:39.12 | dataw0lf | that's enough for me |
| 18:39.15 | dataw0lf | 1 is almost too much |
| 18:39.28 | beandog | unless its lois lane |
| 18:39.52 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend IS Lois Lane |
| 18:40.01 | dataw0lf | actually, she looks like that girl from the Wedding Crashers |
| 18:40.05 | dataw0lf | the short redhead |
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| 18:41.55 | dataw0lf | http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/isla-fisher-2006-mtv-movie-awards-arrivals-1y2vbr.jpg versus http://stderr.ws/media/dump/jenna.jpg |
| 18:42.01 | dataw0lf | I see the resemblance |
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| 18:58.42 | elg | -lart summer |
| 18:59.01 | elg | I should be enjoying the cool utah weather by now |
| 18:59.53 | findlay | why not? |
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| 19:04.37 | elg | http://origin.elpasotimes.com/business/ci_6256539 |
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| 19:06.40 | elg | we have standby tickets on delta, but american airlines is flooding the airlines with their overflow |
| 19:06.51 | elg | overbooked = no standby |
| 19:07.00 | elg | plus it's the july 4 weekend now |
| 19:14.56 | findlay | just wait until you need a national ID card to fly, then all those airline problems will be solved |
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| 19:26.40 | PanicTheDude | hey guys |
| 19:27.14 | PanicTheDude | anyone know where I can get blank sticky-back vinyl? |
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| 19:43.01 | findlay | guess he found it |
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| 20:06.48 | findlay | man, I can never get ntp to work |
| 20:08.54 | tristanbob | Net::Telnet |
| 20:08.54 | tristanbob | XML::Simple |
| 20:08.54 | tristanbob | LWP::UserAgent |
| 20:08.54 | tristanbob | HTTP::Response |
| 20:08.54 | tristanbob | HTTP::Request |
| 20:08.55 | tristanbob | XML::Schema |
| 20:08.57 | tristanbob | Socket6 |
| 20:08.59 | tristanbob | Crypt::DES |
| 20:09.01 | tristanbob | Net::SNMP |
| 20:09.03 | tristanbob | XML::Twig |
| 20:09.05 | tristanbob | Net::TFTP |
| 20:09.08 | tristanbob | IO::Zlib |
| 20:09.09 | tristanbob | Term::VT102 |
| 20:09.11 | tristanbob | Crypt::SSLeay (Optional, provides HTTPS support) |
| 20:09.17 | tristanbob | I pulled those from the CVS file you linked to |
| 20:09.59 | fozzmoo | tristanbob: What's this about? |
| 20:10.24 | tristanbob | those are the perl modules being used by ziptie (I believe) |
| 20:10.33 | tristanbob | and they should be listed on the prereqs page as documentation |
| 20:10.43 | tristanbob | so I can apt-get them all in ubuntu |
| 20:11.11 | tristanbob | fozzmoo: crap - wrong channel! |
| 20:11.31 | tristanbob | stupid user interface (.... which means stupid user) |
| 20:15.19 | fozzmoo | heh. what channel did you THINK you were using? |
| 20:15.34 | fozzmoo | ziptie is a cool name for a package, btw. |
| 20:15.37 | fozzmoo | What does it do? |
| 20:16.12 | jsmith | Network discovery and monitoring, apparently |
| 20:16.51 | fozzmoo | Sounds like something that makes zip file contents accessible via a Perl hash. :) |
| 20:21.39 | findlay | heh |
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| 20:29.05 | Sargun | oh, god. |
| 20:29.05 | Sargun | I hate to write a search engine interface. |
| 20:29.05 | Sargun | May god help me. |
| 20:29.41 | Sargun | (anyone wanna wish me good luck, or something) |
| 20:29.47 | bonez44 | I can connect here....but my email isn't working...I have run /etc/init.d/networking restart, as well /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
| 20:30.14 | bonez44 | still my email doesn't come in...this is email I manage locally...using mutt to read it...gmail and yahoo mail and such work, but not local email |
| 20:36.26 | findlay | ~language Sargun |
| 20:36.27 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 20:36.34 | findlay | ~help Sargun |
| 20:36.45 | findlay | ~luck Sargun |
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| 20:40.51 | Lakshmi | gluck sargun |
| 20:45.04 | rsimpkins | Soooo, does anyone here like or hate db2? |
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| 20:46.50 | Sargun | why hate db2? |
| 20:47.51 | rsimpkins | like or hate |
| 20:48.07 | rsimpkins | in other words - what are people's real-world opinions of db2 after having used it. |
| 20:48.07 | Sargun | see, I see how its annoying |
| 20:48.15 | Sargun | but i don't hate it |
| 20:48.24 | Lakshmi | hey sargun |
| 20:49.37 | findlay | hey Lakshmi |
| 20:49.45 | Sargun | hey Lakshmi |
| 20:49.45 | Sargun | hey findlay |
| 20:49.50 | findlay | hey Sargun |
| 20:49.53 | Lakshmi | sup sargun? |
| 20:49.59 | findlay | that completes the hey network |
| 20:50.05 | Lakshmi | what are you upto findlay ? |
| 20:50.21 | Sargun | heywork actually... |
| 20:50.37 | findlay | trying to reduce the blood pressure in my head and trying to figure out how to fix these foreign keys |
| 20:50.57 | findlay | most headaches I get are caused by high blood pressure |
| 20:51.38 | Sargun | reduce salt intake? |
| 20:51.44 | rsimpkins | Nothing soothes an aching head more than a solid design and clean foundation. |
| 20:51.50 | Sargun | take some cannabis? |
| 20:52.07 | rsimpkins | And not uploading untested code to production. ;) |
| 20:52.08 | tensai | a sharp axe will permanently cure a headache |
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| 20:52.15 | Sargun | lol |
| 20:53.00 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Ping yahoo, then ping again, then again. What is your fastest time? |
| 20:53.43 | findlay | rsimpkins: heh |
| 20:54.58 | Sargun | why? |
| 20:55.03 | Sargun | 78 ms |
| 20:55.16 | Sargun | i'm on the world's crappiest connection |
| 20:55.30 | rsimpkins | Sargun: From your server? |
| 20:55.31 | Sargun | no |
| 20:55.36 | Sargun | from the office |
| 20:55.41 | rsimpkins | Sargun: What about on your server. |
| 20:56.13 | Sargun | spitfire ~ # ping yahoo.com |
| 20:56.13 | Sargun | PING yahoo.com (66.94.234.13) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 20:56.13 | Sargun | 64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=2.04 ms |
| 20:56.13 | Sargun | 64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=1.85 ms |
| 20:56.13 | Sargun | --- yahoo.com ping statistics --- |
| 20:56.14 | Sargun | 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms |
| 20:56.16 | Sargun | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.852/1.949/2.046/0.097 ms |
| 20:56.34 | Sargun | --- 66.94.234.13 ping statistics --- |
| 20:56.35 | Sargun | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3999ms |
| 20:56.35 | Sargun | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.192/2.634/3.252/0.367 ms |
| 20:56.56 | rsimpkins | Humm, so it's gotta be on my end then... |
| 20:57.18 | Sargun | no, another one of their VIPs is screwing up. |
| 20:57.27 | Sargun | VIP = virtual IP |
| 20:57.47 | rsimpkins | Stupid qwest. |
| 20:57.57 | rsimpkins | They need better routers, and better netengs. |
| 20:58.38 | findlay | what's a virtual IP? |
| 20:59.03 | rsimpkins | findlay: wikipedia it |
| 20:59.25 | rsimpkins | findlay: in a nutshell it is an IP that you can move around between devices, mostly used in a load balancer setup so you can have failover. |
| 20:59.42 | findlay | hm |
| 20:59.44 | rsimpkins | Pretty common realyl. |
| 21:00.01 | mheath | colorado was not very exciting |
| 21:00.14 | mheath | Being sick sucks, car breaking down by Green River sucks... |
| 21:00.27 | mheath | And 4 wheeler getting stuck in the mud + rain sucks |
| 21:01.04 | sargun_s1reen | Haha |
| 21:01.14 | mrpull | mheath: how did you get a 4 wheeler stuck? |
| 21:01.40 | mheath | mrpull: Actually had little to do with mud, mud just made the situation suck more |
| 21:01.53 | mheath | Grounded it out ontop of a log I shouldn't have tried to go over.\ |
| 21:02.04 | mheath | Trying to get to the top of the tallest hill on our property, for the view |
| 21:02.38 | mrpull | whooopsie |
| 21:02.59 | mrpull | you cant say it sucked if you acknowledge it was your fault |
| 21:03.04 | dataw0lf | I thought you were in the Navy, mheath |
| 21:03.07 | mrpull | you need to say something manly like... |
| 21:03.15 | mheath | dataw0lf: Eh? |
| 21:03.18 | mrpull | YUP... i got it good'n'stuck |
| 21:03.24 | mrpull | took a week to dig out |
| 21:03.29 | mheath | Nah |
| 21:03.32 | mrpull | ... cant say "it sucked" |
| 21:03.32 | mheath | Took me like 10 minutes |
| 21:03.33 | dataw0lf | mheath: I thought you were in the Navy. |
| 21:03.41 | mheath | dataw0lf: I was. :) |
| 21:03.52 | dataw0lf | you've gotta be ******* kidding me |
| 21:04.00 | dataw0lf | you didn't make it through the Navy either? |
| 21:04.05 | dataw0lf | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:04.09 | mheath | dataw0lf: Yeahl. |
| 21:04.14 | dataw0lf | where's emcnabb |
| 21:04.41 | mheath | Soemone having severe depression and trying to commit suicide, getting committed to a mental instiution, and watching as their life crashes around them is freakin' funny, dataw0lf |
| 21:04.44 | mheath | Enjoy it. |
| 21:04.46 | dataw0lf | didn't we make a wager about staying in mheath? |
| 21:04.47 | mheath | Laugh it up |
| 21:04.47 | findlay | how did you get those *********'s? |
| 21:05.05 | dataw0lf | findlay: I have an input filter |
| 21:05.10 | findlay | ok |
| 21:05.19 | dataw0lf | assigned to channels |
| 21:05.24 | findlay | heh, really? |
| 21:05.30 | dataw0lf | yea, don't want to make a slip |
| 21:05.36 | findlay | that's useful, I guess |
| 21:05.39 | mrpull | dataw0lf: that rocks! |
| 21:05.46 | mrpull | what client do you use? |
| 21:05.53 | dataw0lf | irssi-python |
| 21:05.54 | mheath | dataw0lf: FYI, my preformance in the military was perfect. I can't help the crap that happened to me. STFU. |
| 21:06.04 | dataw0lf | mheath: but didn't we have a wager? |
| 21:06.06 | mrpull | I guess I could use the autocorrect function in my client to clean up my potty talk |
| 21:07.38 | mheath | ..... |
| 21:08.32 | mheath | Someone might want to fill dataw0lf in. You know, about the whole "mheath tried to commit suicide related to a lot of the stuff your trying to give him crap about" thing. |
| 21:08.53 | mheath | I'm putting him on ignore. This is retarded. |
| 21:09.12 | dataw0lf | I just want my money from the bet |
| 21:09.26 | mheath | He wants to give me crap about me going through the hardest freakin thing in my life and losing the most important and meaningful job/career ever, he can do that all he wants. |
| 21:09.30 | dataw0lf | I'm not interested in suicide |
| 21:11.35 | findlay | man, I have no tolerance for crappy form field validation |
| 21:12.15 | findlay | validate your data, dude, don't make me enter info in some ugly format because you were too lazy to do proper validation |
| 21:12.25 | dataw0lf | ew |
| 21:12.42 | findlay | yeah |
| 21:18.20 | findlay | well I guess I'm spoiled because django makes it so easy to do ultra flexible validation |
| 21:21.33 | dataw0lf | so true |
| 21:21.36 | dataw0lf | <3 Django |
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| 21:38.41 | goozbach | moose!!! |
| 21:39.34 | elg | gooz! |
| 21:48.44 | bonez44 | help.... I can't ssh to my office here from home, and my email here, just since this morning (when it WAS working) now does not work..no incoming email...and sending out seems to work, but nothing comes back in |
| 21:49.04 | bonez44 | I am at work, office now...I can ssh to home, but if at home, I can't ssh to work here.... |
| 21:50.28 | bonez44 | I hate to reboot, but am feeling that if i do it will all start working again..though then I wouldn't know what had failed... |
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| 22:01.06 | mheath | Bah, I need to get another copy of my DD214..... |
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| 22:13.25 | mheath | Michael Moore's "Sicko" isn't too bad so far. |
| 22:13.53 | mheath | Not nearly as bad as his pervious obnoxious movies |
| 22:25.35 | tristanbob | I just have to say, I LOVE OPEN SOURCE DEVELOPMENT!!! |
| 22:25.42 | tristanbob | I think I must blog about this... |
| 22:26.39 | mheath | tristanbob: heh |
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| 22:27.54 | brasto | ln -s imanager /www/htdocs/imanager |
| 22:27.54 | brasto | ln: /www/htdocs/imanager/imanager: File exists |
| 22:28.06 | brasto | anyone know why I get that error? |
| 22:31.29 | brasto | drwxr-x--x 12 www www 512 Jun 29 21:30 imanager |
| 22:31.29 | nick125_ | brasto: Something already exists at /www/htdocs/imanager/imanager |
| 22:31.43 | brasto | oops, wrong window there |
| 22:32.04 | brasto | but I'm not referencing imanager/imager ... |
| 22:32.32 | nick125_ | Give this a try: |
| 22:32.44 | nick125_ | wait. |
| 22:32.52 | nick125_ | Maybe /www/htdocs/imanager already exists? |
| 22:33.10 | brasto | doh! |
| 22:33.17 | brasto | ran it backwards |
| 22:33.42 | brasto | it's ln /path/to/referenced/file /path/to/link |
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| 22:34.16 | brasto | I did it the other way around, so it could not create the link since the directory was where I was telling it to put the link... |
| 22:34.18 | nick125_ | I should have asked what you were trying to do :p |
| 22:34.24 | brasto | lol |
| 22:34.36 | brasto | maybe I should have *said* what I was trying to do... |
| 22:34.37 | fozzmoo | brasto: Just like copy... ln source destination |
| 22:35.12 | brasto | fozzmoo and nick125_ - this is why I got confused: |
| 22:35.14 | brasto | ln --help |
| 22:35.14 | brasto | usage: ln [-fhinsv] file1 file2 |
| 22:35.14 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.14 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.27 | brasto | usage line 2 says file ... directory... |
| 22:35.48 | brasto | that doesn't make sense since the link is not a dir... |
| 22:36.01 | brasto | should have used the man pages... |
| 22:36.32 | fozzmoo | If a directory is the destination, ln will create a symlink with the same name as the source in the destination direectory |
| 22:36.58 | fozzmoo | ln -s /etc/passwd /tmp |
| 22:37.09 | fozzmoo | This will create /tmp/passwd which is a symlink to /etc/passwd |
| 22:40.04 | mheath | brasto: ... denotes more options |
| 22:40.17 | mheath | ie, thats saying "ln file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 directory" or so on |
| 22:40.47 | mheath | (which would create the symlinks directory/file1 directory/file2 directory/file4 directory/file4 directory/file5" etc |
| 22:45.33 | brasto | ah, ok |
| 22:45.39 | brasto | thank you everyone |
| 22:45.43 | fozzmoo | np |
| 22:45.55 | brasto | now, how do you chanage ownership on a link? |
| 22:45.59 | tensai | you don't |
| 22:46.00 | brasto | chown no workie... |
| 22:46.09 | tensai | ownership is tied to the destination file |
| 22:46.32 | brasto | odd, destination file is owned by admin user, ln is owned by root... |
| 22:47.06 | brasto | ls -al entry for htdocs: |
| 22:47.10 | brasto | drwxr-x--x 12 www www 512 Jun 29 22:16 imanager |
| 22:47.19 | tensai | wait, I'm thinking of permissions. those can't change. but owner can. |
| 22:47.22 | brasto | ls -al entry for vhost: |
| 22:47.33 | brasto | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root www 20 Jun 29 22:31 imanager -> /www/htdocs/imanager |
| 22:48.25 | tensai | ok, I'm just getting myself confused |
| 22:48.32 | tensai | try chown -h |
| 22:48.39 | tensai | chown -h www:www imanager |
| 22:49.08 | brasto | cool, that did it |
| 23:05.23 | mheath | Wow |
| 23:05.48 | mheath | I can't believe I'd ever say this about a Michael Moore movie, but I really recommend you all see his latest "Sicko". It's quite good. |
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| 23:20.29 | bonez44 | ?? |
| 23:20.33 | bonez44 | can anyone see me? |
| 23:21.15 | dataw0lf | No. |
| 23:21.58 | bonez44 | dataw0lf, oh, thanks...glad to know my cloaking device is working |
| 23:22.42 | bonez44 | how do I stop this >>> 2007-06-29 17:16:40 1I4IqM-0007zP-46 SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<terson@domain.com>: host smtp.comcast.net [204.127.200.17]: 450 [TEMPFAIL] destination not valid within DNS |
| 23:26.43 | bonez44 | dataw0lf, is the cloaking still working? |
| 23:27.08 | dataw0lf | bonez44: try sending to a correct address |
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| 23:50.46 | bonez44 | dataw0lf, I wouldn't have sent to that 'bad address' if I had known it was bad....clearly...it was one of 277 emails....sent from mailman... |
| 23:51.09 | dataw0lf | oh, well, explain that |
| 23:53.50 | bonez44 | the address..the one bad one...which I altered to 'terson@domain.com' .. not the real address...for obvious privacy concerns....was a bad address....clearly, but it was one of 277 addresses to which mailman mailing list manager sent a letter |
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