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| 02:12.49 | bonez41 | I am trying to find some sales support people for my wife's company....suggestions on where to look? tired of flaky people who want money without working for it |
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| 02:18.54 | brac | stuff had |
| 02:19.06 | Tene | -chat about findlay |
| 02:19.07 | brac | findlay is sick |
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| 03:56.12 | Lakshmi | hi |
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| 06:12.03 | findlay | hi lakshmi3! |
| 06:12.23 | lakshmi3 | hi findlay |
| 06:12.24 | lakshmi3 | sup? |
| 06:12.38 | findlay | little |
| 06:12.59 | lakshmi3 | why/ |
| 06:13.20 | findlay | because I'm about to go to sleep |
| 06:14.02 | lakshmi3 | aw |
| 06:14.05 | lakshmi3 | you should |
| 06:20.53 | nick125_ | Ugh, I hate homework. |
| 06:21.07 | nick125_ | Especially tests that make no sense. |
| 06:30.04 | findlay | -chat about no sense |
| 06:30.04 | brac | no sense and evolution around ^_^ |
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| 06:38.39 | findlay | -chat about sense |
| 06:38.39 | brac | sense did |
| 06:38.39 | findlay | sense is how the human nervous system monitors the local environment |
| 06:38.39 | findlay | -chat about sense |
| 06:38.39 | brac | sense did |
| 06:38.39 | findlay | -chat about ~lart brac |
| 06:38.39 | brac | ~lart brac for a yagi... |
| 06:38.40 | ibot | calls brac on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for a yagi... |
| 06:38.40 | findlay | ibot: yo |
| 06:39.16 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
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| 07:11.44 | lakshmi3 | nick125_ why do you have tests stilll isnt it summer vaca yet? |
| 07:12.23 | findlay | lakshmi3: nick125_ is working hard :-) |
| 07:13.22 | nick125_ | lakshmi3: summer classes |
| 07:13.58 | lakshmi3 | nick125_ that hella sucks, sleep |
| 07:14.23 | nick125_ | lakshmi3: lol |
| 07:14.54 | nick125_ | This book sucks. It doesn't even have an index. |
| 07:15.55 | lakshmi3 | what class are you takeing? |
| 07:16.19 | nick125_ | business ethics |
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| 07:24.04 | nick125_ | I don't have to have it done until 5:30pm monday. |
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| 12:35.48 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?775869 |
| 12:35.58 | brac | [QDB: Quote #775869] |
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| 13:20.45 | stuporglue | Anyone got a recommendation for an inkjet printer? |
| 13:21.22 | goozbach | don't |
| 13:21.33 | goozbach | get one with lazors! |
| 13:23.57 | stuporglue | Color lasers are too expensive still, and I understand they don't do very well with pictures |
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| 13:27.54 | goozbach | stuporglue: how often are you going to print things in color? |
| 13:28.07 | goozbach | I for one don't print much of anything in color |
| 13:28.23 | goozbach | so I take my USB thumbdrive to kinkos when I have to do color |
| 13:28.45 | stuporglue | Me (almost) never. My wife prints DVD covers and brochures all the time though |
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| 13:30.04 | goozbach | MOOSE! |
| 13:43.03 | goozbach | yay 5 days left |
| 13:43.20 | goozbach | no more being a third-class citizen |
| 13:43.35 | ^Migs^ | OMG LAZORS PEW PEW PEW! |
| 13:59.10 | findlay | ~laser ^Migs^ |
| 13:59.51 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 14:00.55 | elg | sd cards, what do they cost in store? I see 1G for like $10 everywhere online but that's before shipping. I'd be happy with 512 - basically any size >= 256 for $10 in a local store (here or in utah) |
| 14:01.16 | elg | just trying to figure out if I should get something online |
| 14:01.31 | elg | and too lazy to go to a store, of course |
| 14:03.53 | findlay | you might find a local deal that good if they have a sale, probably not otherwise |
| 14:04.30 | ^Migs^ | I'd hold out for an SD card. |
| 14:04.42 | ^Migs^ | every now and then there's a free after rebate deal on a 1GB or 2GB SD card |
| 14:04.53 | ^Migs^ | one of those comes up every month or two |
| 14:09.08 | ^Migs^ | lol, this is my coworker: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1384449 |
| 14:09.11 | brac | [ksl.com - Two Men Rescue a Hawk in Southern Utah] |
| 14:10.15 | elg | ^Migs^: you'll let me know when there is one? how kind |
| 14:10.29 | ^Migs^ | yeah sure thing |
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| 14:15.57 | Sargun | hey |
| 14:16.02 | Sargun | Morning |
| 14:16.08 | Sargun | Dang train was late. |
| 14:16.14 | Sargun | 30 minutes late. |
| 14:16.15 | Sargun | :-( |
| 14:16.20 | Sargun | a lot. |
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| 14:30.54 | findlay | ~train Supaplex |
| 14:31.04 | findlay | ~train sargun_s1reen |
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| 15:21.24 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Ready-for-Bed |
| 15:22.57 | ^Migs^ | hahaha: "How To Breathe" http://www.wikihow.com/Breathe |
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| 15:42.34 | goozbach | what's next? "How To Piss in Your Own Pants"? |
| 15:42.58 | levi | "How to Pee" |
| 15:44.07 | findlay | beandog: mplayer works here! :) |
| 15:44.19 | beandog | findlay: nice, thanks |
| 15:45.53 | findlay | reviewing my last statement, I think I've been having too much fun using LOL-ness |
| 15:46.05 | findlay | it's started to corrupt my regular grammar |
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| 15:55.30 | bonez44 | how do I redirect output from 'ifconfig -a' to a floppy instead of to console? |
| 15:56.09 | levi | The same way you redirect the output of any other unix command. |
| 15:56.43 | levi | Mount the floppy to /mnt/floppy or whatever, then cmd > /mnt/floppy/cmdoutput |
| 15:57.20 | levi | (which only captures stdout; if you're getting error messages that you want to capture, a different redirection will be required) |
| 15:58.17 | fozzmoo | mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy; ifconfig -a > /media/floppy/ifconfig.out |
| 15:58.50 | mrpull | wouldn't it be more fun to write it directly to the device rather than to a file? |
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| 16:08.08 | findlay-w | stupid veracity |
| 16:08.18 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:08.54 | levi | *boggle* Steve Yegge ported Rails to Javascript so he could use it at Google. |
| 16:10.13 | fozzmoo | That's... just... mind-boggling. |
| 16:11.43 | findlay-w | how, why, do you port rails to javascript? |
| 16:14.47 | levi | Javascript is a fairly nice little language which has been severely hampered by the fact that most of its implementations suck, and is primarily used by amateur programmers doing nasty things with the DOM. |
| 16:16.55 | elg | here's a nice joke from jesse's blog. "perl programmers take their programming much more serious than ruby programmers" |
| 16:17.16 | elg | not only patently untrue, but easily extended to "java programmers take their programming much more seriously than perl programmers" |
| 16:17.19 | fozzmoo | He was obviously transcribing stuff that Larry Wall was saying. |
| 16:17.19 | elg | or cobol/java |
| 16:17.22 | elg | or assembly/cobol |
| 16:17.30 | Jayce^ | elg, this is jesse.... |
| 16:17.33 | elg | well yes, but also paraphrasing |
| 16:17.39 | findlay-w | that means I'm more serious than elg when I program in perl? |
| 16:17.41 | elg | I suspect a heavy dosage of jesse filter |
| 16:18.36 | findlay-w | I never knew I could be so serious |
| 16:20.11 | Jayce^ | "Tcl is a purer scripting language than Tcl." wtf jesse? |
| 16:20.21 | fozzmoo | I think the second was BASIC |
| 16:20.28 | levi | Yeah, well, SML programmers take their programming much more serious than perl programmers! |
| 16:20.42 | Jayce^ | Corn shell? |
| 16:20.46 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 16:20.54 | fozzmoo | Ksh, silly. |
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| 16:21.26 | findlay-w | silly coworkers are listening to Dr Laura |
| 16:21.29 | findlay-w | puke |
| 16:21.36 | findlay-w | luckily I have Bach |
| 16:21.41 | elg | could be worse |
| 16:21.52 | findlay-w | I don't see how it could be much worse |
| 16:22.11 | elg | diane rehms for example |
| 16:22.20 | findlay-w | I don't even know who that is |
| 16:22.35 | findlay-w | phinux: did you get your display problem resolved? |
| 16:25.03 | findlay-w | ~onjoin findlay-w -lart veracity |
| 16:25.04 | ibot | ok, findlay-w |
| 16:25.46 | phinux | No I didn't. |
| 16:26.03 | phinux | But I haven't had a chance to bring a Knoppix CD to work. |
| 16:26.39 | phinux | I don't think I'm testing another build for a few days. I may scrap that install and try something new. |
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| 16:30.58 | elg | ~poke rsimpkins |
| 16:30.59 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind rsimpkins, pokes rsimpkins repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 16:37.53 | levi | Uh, Jesse's quote of Larry Wall's description of multiple dispatch is kind of disturbing. |
| 16:39.11 | Jayce^ | levi, remember where you are getting the information from.. |
| 16:39.51 | levi | Jayce^: It'd hard to get from something sane to that through any sort of translation. |
| 16:39.51 | levi | Er, It'd be hard. |
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| 16:40.09 | levi | I mean, comparing multiple dispatch to a political election? That's just stupid. |
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| 16:49.53 | levi | http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ThomasEEnebo?id=31 |
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| 16:56.10 | brac | stuff was being tried for crimes against humanity. |
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| 17:28.20 | brac | stuff is going to purposely boost the power went out.... |
| 17:29.49 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay -lart veracity |
| 17:29.50 | ibot | findlay: ok |
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| 17:50.57 | bonez44 | if I want to run something on my LAN...say Zimbra..... (Exchange replacement and improvement) ..and it requires ports 993, 389, 110, 25, 143, and 80...and yet I run apache on another machine..on same lan..can I set up alternate ports..for my existing email...web..and other services? can both co-exist on same LAN? |
| 17:52.02 | goozbach | on the same lan, sure |
| 17:52.18 | goozbach | on the same box, only if using new/different box |
| 17:52.47 | goozbach | on the same box, only if using new/different ports |
| 17:55.30 | findlay-w | on the same transistor only if you're lucky |
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| 18:14.09 | bonez44 | no, two different boxes.... |
| 18:20.52 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6236606.stm |
| 18:20.59 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Poll winner faces US deportation] |
| 18:21.01 | ^Migs^ | A woman in California faces deportation for illegally voting because she did not become a US citizen after moving to America as a one-year-old. |
| 18:21.14 | ^Migs^ | "I'm scared," she told the Associated Press. "How can they just pluck me out of my family, my kids? |
| 18:21.14 | ^Migs^ | "If they can do this to me, they can do it to anybody." |
| 18:21.19 | ^Migs^ | uh, no they can't. Only people who break the law. |
| 18:22.22 | gillyboat | you could wake up dead one day in Guantanamo |
| 18:23.51 | JoshH | from what i read in another article, she moved here when she was 1 year old and grew up believing she was american, not exactly an intentional law breaker but oh well |
| 18:24.52 | ^Migs^ | nonsense |
| 18:24.56 | ^Migs^ | "Ms Meyer, originally from Cuba, quit after 10 weeks in office and applied to become a naturalized citizen." |
| 18:25.07 | ^Migs^ | she KNEW she was breaking the law |
| 18:25.16 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 18:25.20 | JoshH | she didn't know she was breaking the law by voting |
| 18:25.25 | JoshH | that bbc article is lacking a lot of detail |
| 18:27.56 | ^Migs^ | it said she's being deported to Canada, but she's still a Mexican |
| 18:28.05 | ^Migs^ | she needs to go back to Cuba. Screw that communist crap. |
| 18:28.25 | ^Migs^ | probably just got into office so she could report back to Castro. She doesn't need to be DEPORTED, she needs to be INCARCERATED. Put her commie kids in foster care. |
| 18:28.57 | ^Migs^ | stupid immigrants |
| 18:29.08 | ^Migs^ | seriously, immigrants are ruining America |
| 18:30.44 | levi | seriously, ^Migs^ is ruining #utah. |
| 18:31.00 | levi | he needs to be kickbanned |
| 18:31.13 | ^Migs^ | and why is that, praytell? |
| 18:44.00 | Tene | With levi, that is. |
| 18:57.20 | ^Migs^ | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JAPAN_BRAIN_REMOTE?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 19:03.40 | elg | -lart vont |
| 19:04.53 | findlay | why is squid managed by a loser company? |
| 19:05.14 | elg | why not? |
| 19:05.34 | findlay | why is windows so dumb? |
| 19:05.41 | findlay | questions that have no answers |
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| 19:12.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2527001820070625?feedType=RSS |
| 19:13.43 | *** mode/#utah [+o Tene] by ChanServ |
| 19:14.09 | findlay-w | -chat about +0 Tene |
| 19:14.09 | brac | +0 Tene |
| 19:14.14 | findlay-w | -chat about +o Tene |
| 19:14.14 | brac | +o Tene |
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| 19:28.18 | findlay-w | stupid, arrogant mac users |
| 19:29.48 | levi | findlay-w: What about them? |
| 19:30.08 | findlay-w | levi: their arrogance is annoying |
| 19:30.24 | levi | The arrogance of most arrogant people is annoying. |
| 19:30.30 | fozzmoo | http://www.livescience.com/technology/070625_iphone_future.html |
| 19:30.31 | findlay-w | indeed |
| 19:30.40 | levi | I'm not sure what being a mac user has to do with anything. |
| 19:30.49 | fozzmoo | 20-to-1 odds someone will get Trampled the day iPhone is released. |
| 19:31.08 | Tene | fozzmoo: http://secondverse.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/mocking-surface/ |
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| 19:33.07 | findlay-w | ~sjansen mac users |
| 19:33.08 | ibot | ACTION tells mac users good things about sjansen |
| 19:33.30 | fozzmoo | Tene: Sweet. |
| 19:33.41 | findlay-w | levi: why complain about arrogant people at all? |
| 19:34.02 | sjansen | Am not. |
| 19:34.08 | levi | findlay-w: I'm not sure. Why did you choose to do it? |
| 19:34.22 | findlay-w | because I desired it |
| 19:34.38 | Tene | Wow, that answer was very... meaningless. |
| 19:35.24 | sjansen | ~findlay findlay-w |
| 19:35.24 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay-w. |
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| 19:39.25 | findlay-w | I wonder if listening to pop radio causes brain damage |
| 19:40.12 | findlay-w | why would people subject themselves to 'entertainment' that is so repugnant? |
| 19:41.06 | sjansen | findlay-w: Isn't it amazing how much better we are than normal people? |
| 19:41.16 | findlay-w | sjansen: indeed |
| 19:41.20 | sjansen | It must be hard being so.. normal. |
| 19:41.28 | Tene | Man, I was totally talking about sjansen at lunch. |
| 19:41.31 | ^Migs^ | it's not too bad |
| 19:41.41 | gillyboat | I'm normal, so I'm really enjoying this conversation |
| 19:41.45 | sjansen | Do you think maybe it's pollution that makes them like that? It's gotta be some sort of sickness. |
| 19:41.47 | fozzmoo | Yeah- it just makes you look like you think you're better than arrogant people. :) |
| 19:42.19 | findlay-w | I bet there's some way to figure it out |
| 19:42.50 | sjansen | There should be a law. No way normal people deserve as many rights as us. |
| 19:43.05 | findlay-w | I blame the increased amounts of ethelyne glycol on today's processed food |
| 19:43.10 | findlay-w | s/on/in |
| 19:44.09 | sjansen | The thing I can figure out is: What should I be doing about the situation? Is it my responsibility to save them from themselves? Or should I avoid contact with them in case normal is contagious? |
| 19:44.37 | findlay-w | I'm convinced we can find a medicinal cure |
| 19:44.50 | sjansen | Oh well, probably best to not worry about it, just sit back and gossip about them. |
| 19:46.18 | findlay-w | -chat about gossip |
| 19:46.19 | brac | gossip had |
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| 19:49.41 | levi | http://gbracha.blogspot.com/2007/06/constructors-considered-harmful.html |
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| 19:53.26 | findlay-w | I bet _Migs_ is less contraversial than ^Migs^ :) |
| 19:53.47 | _Migs_ | you know it |
| 19:53.52 | findlay-w | s/a/o/ |
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| 20:02.28 | sjansen | I hope my hotel's TV selection is representative of Irish TV... although I suspect it is. |
| 20:03.00 | sjansen | So... so... bad. |
| 20:03.18 | findlay-w | just be careful you don't get influenced by ... normalness |
| 20:05.13 | elg | sjansen: you hope it isn't I suppose |
| 20:05.25 | elg | what's so bad? what could be worse than US broadcast TV? |
| 20:05.58 | sjansen | Our sitcoms are soulless, but at least they approximate humor occasionally. |
| 20:06.36 | sjansen | All of the children's shows I seen so far have seemed like poorly funded PBS stuff... without the poor funding. |
| 20:06.40 | gillyboat | maybe they do nothing but an Irish version of Extreme Makeover... |
| 20:06.57 | gillyboat | (cause that would be bad) |
| 20:07.16 | gillyboat | I'd have to take up drinking |
| 20:07.45 | sjansen | I've seen very little variety so far. Many shows remind me of updated versions of East Enders. |
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| 20:08.29 | elg | so few american sitcoms even approach humor |
| 20:08.40 | elg | british comedies, from what I've sampled, do |
| 20:08.40 | sjansen | I know the BBC can produce great stuff: Dr. Who, HHGTG, Monty Python. But I've yet to see anything like it on BBC1 or BBC3. |
| 20:08.56 | ^Migs^ | British humor is pretty awful, imo |
| 20:09.08 | ^Migs^ | I just can't personally understand the appeal |
| 20:09.25 | elg | all the more reason to like it |
| 20:09.39 | findlay-w | ^Migs^: it's funny. Laugh! |
| 20:09.46 | ^Migs^ | no, you only like it because you think it's "cultured" to do so |
| 20:09.54 | ^Migs^ | ever think maybe it just AIN'T funny? |
| 20:09.56 | findlay-w | heh |
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| 20:10.23 | gillyboat | You mean Benny Hill is not the greatest comedian ever? |
| 20:10.43 | sjansen | I saw a political comedy that was occasionally funny. But nothing like the genius that is Politically Incorrect of the Corbert Report. |
| 20:11.05 | elg | sjansen: but those aren't on broadcast tv |
| 20:11.05 | ^Migs^ | I agree with sjansen. Americans know how to do humor. |
| 20:11.05 | sjansen | s/of/or |
| 20:11.26 | ^Migs^ | And the The Office (U.S.) > The Office (British) |
| 20:11.34 | ^Migs^ | s/the// |
| 20:11.37 | elg | i don't like british comedy because it's "cultured" or for any other silly reason like that. i like it because when I watch it I laugh, and that produces endorphins |
| 20:11.46 | elg | also not on broadcast |
| 20:12.02 | elg | I know BBC isn't quite directly comparable to broadcast TV, but it's less comparable to cable |
| 20:12.13 | ^Migs^ | although BBC does have The I.T. Crowd. That's a somewhat funny show. |
| 20:12.28 | goozbach | then there's sjansen, and he's just a hoot! |
| 20:12.30 | goozbach | funny guy |
| 20:13.12 | sjansen | ^Migs^: You don't agree with me completely. American's are resposiblity for the lowest forms of humor. (Billy Madison, Dumb & Dumber) And the British are responsible for the highest forms. (Monty Python, Red Dward, Red Green--okay, that's Canadian but you _know_ they cribbed notes from the Brits) |
| 20:14.13 | findlay-w | Monty Python may have high humor in it but it's also laced with lots of low humor, speaking of note cribbing |
| 20:14.14 | sjansen | elg: You want broadcast? I give you NBC. |
| 20:14.37 | sjansen | Sure, it's not HBO, A&E or Showtime, but NBC has some amazing stuff. |
| 20:14.45 | sjansen | And for comedy, Fox ain't too bad either. |
| 20:14.56 | levi | I'm not sure what criterion you're using to distinguish 'high' from 'low' humor in your lists, sjansen. |
| 20:15.23 | ^Migs^ | your argument is completely circular, sjansen |
| 20:15.29 | findlay-w | levi: depends on if you're normal |
| 20:15.33 | sjansen | Low humor makes me feel stupider as brain cells commit suicide. High humor makes me laugh. |
| 20:15.58 | levi | I.e., your distinction seems to be completely subjective. |
| 20:16.07 | elg | sjansen: I decline. I don't know what's on NBC or Fox, and since I can't watch them I just have to rely on what other people say is good to watch and download it, even if it's broadcast tv |
| 20:16.08 | ^Migs^ | I'd say "Dumb & Dumber" is one of the funniest movies ever made, for instance. I'm not sure how you're distinguishing this as "low humor" if it's so dang funny. |
| 20:16.20 | sjansen | Circular? I'm saying Irish TV is lousy and that I find it surprising considering they share content with the Brits. |
| 20:16.24 | elg | nobody never tells me, you should watch this show that's on NBC, or Fox |
| 20:16.55 | elg | ^Migs^: why are we not surprised? |
| 20:17.26 | ^Migs^ | who's "we?" |
| 20:17.35 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Everything's funnier when you're high. |
| 20:17.40 | goozbach | elg: you should watch that show "The Office" it's on NBC |
| 20:17.44 | ^Migs^ | because I actually would agree that Billy Madison is quite unfunny and arguably this "low humor" |
| 20:17.54 | fozzmoo | and 'Heroes' is on NBC too. |
| 20:17.59 | ^Migs^ | but why was that grouped with "Dumb & Dumber" |
| 20:18.02 | ^Migs^ | heroes is not funny |
| 20:18.04 | ^Migs^ | it's just plain awesome |
| 20:18.11 | goozbach | oh and elg, you should watch that show... Simpsons, it's on FOX |
| 20:18.13 | elg | goozbach had to go and break the rule. ;-) Actually, that's interesting - i didn't realize the office and heroes were on nbc. i stand corrected |
| 20:18.14 | gillyboat | "I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." hee hee |
| 20:18.19 | elg | simpsons, meh |
| 20:18.23 | sjansen | The Closer, Futurama, House, Medium, Scrubs, Heroes, Numb3rs |
| 20:18.34 | goozbach | oh and futurama, and scrubs, and ... |
| 20:18.40 | fozzmoo | And Studio 60 is on NBC too. |
| 20:18.56 | elg | none in that list approaches the immortals that you listed for BBC |
| 20:18.58 | ^Migs^ | I think by sjansen's standard, the Simpsons would be considered "low" humor too |
| 20:19.02 | fozzmoo | A moment of silence for that brief moment of intelligent TV-making. |
| 20:19.20 | elg | why should BBC have a constant stream of immortal content when Fox and NBC can get away with "good TV a few hours a week"? |
| 20:19.26 | ^Migs^ | you guys have boring TV tastes |
| 20:19.54 | goozbach | Dark Angel was on fox as well |
| 20:19.59 | goozbach | but that's not really humor |
| 20:20.00 | elg | so anyway, i'm just saying there's so little good tv out there, I'm not surprised that BBC is no better than average |
| 20:20.02 | ^Migs^ | lol @ Dark Angel |
| 20:20.04 | elg | on average |
| 20:20.17 | elg | even though it puts out some excellent stuff, sometimes |
| 20:20.23 | goozbach | ohh so was Firefly. |
| 20:20.25 | ^Migs^ | I did like Black Adder |
| 20:20.27 | levi | What percentage of current BBC program consists of Red Dwarf and Monty Python? |
| 20:20.32 | ^Migs^ | I thought that was rather quality |
| 20:20.33 | levi | s/program/programming/? |
| 20:22.01 | levi | I've seen some startlingly bad stuff on BBC America. |
| 20:22.01 | ^Migs^ | and it's interesting how all the BBC programs we've referred to so far were made 30 years ago |
| 20:22.01 | ^Migs^ | hasn't the BBC made anything decent since then? |
| 20:22.01 | elg | ^Migs^: we are the people on this side of my keyboard. |
| 20:22.01 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Dr. Who |
| 20:22.01 | elg | doctor who is current |
| 20:22.01 | fozzmoo | The Great Global Warming Swindle. |
| 20:22.01 | fozzmoo | BBC |
| 20:22.02 | ^Migs^ | the nwe one? |
| 20:22.02 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 20:22.03 | ^Migs^ | haven't seen the new one |
| 20:22.03 | elg | good stuff |
| 20:22.03 | goozbach | Dr. Who FTW! |
| 20:22.03 | sjansen | In praise of the BBC, they did have a Chemical Brothers concert on BBC3 last night. |
| 20:22.03 | ^Migs^ | so can't really comment on that one |
| 20:22.03 | goozbach | Red Dwarf to block! |
| 20:22.10 | fozzmoo | I think the problem with shows on BBC is that shows made today look like they were made 30 years ago. :) |
| 20:22.18 | levi | sjansen: Do they have anything new out? |
| 20:22.35 | ^Migs^ | yeah I agree. Very crappy cinematography, but I can only assume they do that on purpose |
| 20:22.59 | sjansen | levi: Don't know. Sadly, I was jet lagged and in need of sleep. |
| 20:23.30 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I think you've hit on it. I'm used to TV does more to grab me by the throat. |
| 20:23.32 | elg | levi: "I know I should be writing examples to make this all clear. However, this post is getting long, so that will wait for another post." |
| 20:23.54 | elg | "this post is getting long" is NEVER a good reason to deny your readers code samples. au contraire |
| 20:24.15 | elg | "I'm getting sleepy/bored/egomaniacal" is a good reason |
| 20:24.23 | sjansen | Proof that good movies can be made in Britain: Hot Fuzz |
| 20:24.41 | elg | proof that good movies can be made in britain: Star Wars |
| 20:24.53 | elg | you do know it was made in britain right? ok, it was made by americans in britain |
| 20:24.57 | sjansen | s/be/still be/ |
| 20:25.04 | elg | did you mean proof that good movies can be made by brits? :) |
| 20:25.25 | sjansen | s/in Britain/by Brits/ |
| 20:25.38 | levi | elg: Hopefully he will actually produce the samples. He's a smart guy, and has interesting stuff to say, generally. |
| 20:25.46 | sjansen | s/be made in Britain/still be made by Brits/ |
| 20:26.04 | elg | hopefully I'll catch wind of them when he does. but maybe this is the only time I'll come across it. (hint, you can post it when he does :-) |
| 20:26.24 | fozzmoo | BBC documentaries are generally high-quality. |
| 20:26.37 | fozzmoo | I woudl say the british are good at documentaries. |
| 20:26.42 | fozzmoo | Not so good at other stuff. :) |
| 20:27.00 | fozzmoo | I think I would enjoy a british documentary about dental work. :) |
| 20:27.10 | ^Migs^ | oh, I never said good movies can't be made by Brits. I love Shaun of the Dead. |
| 20:27.22 | elg | sjansen: what about H2G2, was that british-made, american-made, or some combination? |
| 20:27.36 | elg | another suspect: waking ned devine |
| 20:28.14 | levi | Gilad Bracha is a U of U alum, apparently. I didn't know that before just now. |
| 20:28.28 | levi | Got his Ph.D. there. |
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| 20:29.21 | sjansen | H2G2: British-made, American-destroyed |
| 20:30.16 | sjansen | The LOTR movie everything the H2G2 movie wasn't. |
| 20:30.33 | levi | Anyway, he then worked on Strongtalk, and was afterward aquired by Sun, where he worked on the Java language spec and the virtual machine design. |
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| 20:30.52 | levi | fozzmoo: He's Jewish. |
| 20:31.14 | fozzmoo | levi: that would explain it. |
| 20:31.44 | levi | His B.Sc is from Ben Gurion University in Israel. |
| 20:32.04 | fozzmoo | Who does J2EE around here? |
| 20:32.04 | ^Migs^ | if the Brits had gotten their hands on LOTR it would've been ruined |
| 20:32.21 | ^Migs^ | they ruined every other LOTR movie before Peter Jackson's trilogy |
| 20:32.33 | fozzmoo | Pippin and Merry would have run through the same piece of forest about 300 times. :) |
| 20:33.08 | ^Migs^ | haha |
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| 20:34.14 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I did enought J2EE to know better than to do J2EE. |
| 20:36.07 | ^Migs^ | meh, it's not that bad |
| 20:36.41 | ^Migs^ | in the end, it probably won't last as long as C/C++ |
| 20:39.17 | fozzmoo | sjansen: heh. |
| 20:40.45 | bonez44 | anyone here at the moment...on utopia? |
| 20:41.22 | bonez44 | I ran into a couple guys stringing fibre cable the other day, in midvale...overhead cabling...and was surprised how small, how thin the cable structure is.... |
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| 20:42.15 | ^Migs^ | utopia isn't bringing any sort of wireless connectivity, is it? |
| 20:42.46 | bonez44 | ^Migs^, not that I know of.... |
| 20:43.52 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Yeah- if you hook up a WAP to your UTOPIA connection. :) |
| 20:44.30 | fozzmoo | UTOPIA is less than a block away from our office at the moment. |
| 20:44.33 | fozzmoo | Makes me furious. |
| 20:44.36 | fozzmoo | Don't get me started. |
| 20:44.52 | bonez44 | fozzmoo, and you can't connect? |
| 20:45.05 | fozzmoo | In fact... there's a break in their coverage along this street and it just HAPPENS to be right where we're at! |
| 20:45.26 | fozzmoo | The fiber is in the ground in front of our building, but apparently it's not hooked into the grid yet. |
| 20:49.15 | sjansen | fozzmoo: And you call yourself a geek? Have some pride man! What, you've never heard of midnight, duct tape and patch cables? |
| 20:50.30 | bonez44 | fozzmoo, how the hell does that happen? |
| 20:50.35 | jsmith | Anbody know if Utopia is using PON? |
| 20:58.57 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSL253889920070625?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true |
| 21:06.43 | ^Migs^ | poor Tom |
| 21:09.45 | ^Migs^ | bunch of crap, if you ask me |
| 21:10.14 | ^Migs^ | and why did they stop him from filming on German bases but not Roman Polanski from filiming The Pianist on German bases? |
| 21:10.23 | ^Migs^ | *filming |
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| 21:12.19 | Tene | migs: because you should shut up forever |
| 21:12.43 | ^Migs^ | I find your non sequiturs unamusing. |
| 21:18.54 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 21:19.03 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 21:19.05 | maquis | forgot my @ |
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| 21:19.19 | maquis | ah... much better |
| 21:19.29 | levi | maquis: Was your head getting cold without your @? |
| 21:19.35 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 21:20.09 | gillyboat | shift 2 |
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| 21:39.59 | goozbach | am I wearing my @? |
| 21:40.03 | goozbach | looks like I'm not |
| 21:40.04 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:40.10 | bonez44 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.32 | goozbach | bonez44: you running it on a seperate box? |
| 21:40.49 | goozbach | zimbra that is..? |
| 21:40.55 | bonez44 | goozbach, yeah, zimbra has its own box... |
| 21:41.04 | goozbach | you don't need to change your ports |
| 21:41.06 | bonez44 | zimbra is an OSS replacement/improvement for Exchange |
| 21:41.24 | bonez44 | Zimbra demands 25, 80.110.443, 993 and I think one more port...to work |
| 21:41.29 | bonez44 | it wants those ports.... |
| 21:41.42 | goozbach | yeah, give it to em |
| 21:41.46 | bonez44 | I run mailman on this main machine...not on the zimbra machine... |
| 21:41.51 | nick125_ | bonez44: You could pull up two interfaces |
| 21:42.08 | goozbach | zimbra is running on the same box as your mailman etc? |
| 21:42.21 | bonez44 | if I give 25, 80, 110, et al to zimbra....port forwarding them to that machine instead then apache won't serve up any pages from my main box.. |
| 21:42.23 | nick125_ | and bind apache/mailman/etc on the normal interface (eth0 for example) and bind zimbra to the other interface (eth0:1) |
| 21:42.40 | goozbach | ohh |
| 21:42.41 | bonez44 | zimbra...once aagain is running ON ITS OWN BOX.....not on my primary machinei...it has a dedicated box.... |
| 21:42.55 | bonez44 | "yeah, zimbra has its own box"..... |
| 21:42.57 | goozbach | you're using Port address translation |
| 21:43.31 | goozbach | I see |
| 21:43.34 | bonez44 | on my router..I have forwarded port 22...that's it....to my main linux box....but I don't have port addy translation set up for 25, 80, 110, or others |
| 21:43.35 | nick125_ | bonez44: when you port forward it in your firewall, just change the source port, and leave zimbra on it's normal ports. (If that makes any sense) |
| 21:43.57 | bonez44 | nick125, not sure it makes sense yet.... |
| 21:44.11 | goozbach | well, you can forward the standard port to your zimbra box on the stock port |
| 21:44.17 | bonez44 | ah, that's right there are two ports there...bring up the web interface for my router |
| 21:44.30 | goozbach | and then forward a random high number port to the stock port on the second box |
| 21:44.40 | goozbach | like so: |
| 21:45.21 | goozbach | outside ----> port 43344 -----> mailman port 25 |
| 21:45.45 | goozbach | outside ----> port 110 ----> zimbra port 110 |
| 21:45.57 | goozbach | and so forth |
| 21:46.17 | goozbach | or you could use postfix/mailman as a proxy in front of your zimbra box |
| 21:46.20 | goozbach | eg: |
| 21:46.58 | goozbach | outside port 25 ---> postfix port 25 mail proxy/mailman ---> zimbra port 25 |
| 21:47.48 | goozbach | and use apache and mod_proxy to forward just a subdirecotry of your webserver to zimbra: |
| 21:48.12 | goozbach | outside port 80 ----> apache mod_proxy ----> zimbra |
| 21:49.39 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/monorail-cat-technical-diagram-end-elevation.jpg |
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| 21:54.59 | bonez41 | goozbach, I got cut off.... |
| 21:55.08 | bonez41 | was bonez44 now ~41 |
| 21:55.49 | findlay | someday I'll be ~41 |
| 21:55.57 | bonez41 | ;) |
| 21:56.23 | bonez41 | goozbach, so after you wrote : and then forward a random high number port to the stock port on the second box and then 'like so:" I lost my connection...could you repost |
| 21:57.06 | findlay | 15:45 < goozbach> outside ----> port 43344 -----> mailman port 25 |
| 21:57.06 | findlay | 15:45 < goozbach> outside ----> port 110 ----> zimbra port 110 |
| 21:57.06 | findlay | 15:45 < goozbach> and so forth |
| 21:57.07 | findlay | 15:46 < goozbach> or you could use postfix/mailman as a proxy in front of your zimbra box |
| 21:57.07 | Jayce^ | bonez41, all he did after that was ask if you were running this all on the same machine, and if you wanted a virtual interface.. |
| 21:57.10 | findlay | 15:46 < goozbach> eg: |
| 21:57.10 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 21:57.12 | findlay | 15:46 < goozbach> outside port 25 ---> postfix port 25 mail proxy/mailman ---> zimbra port 25 |
| 21:57.16 | findlay | 15:47 < goozbach> and use apache and mod_proxy to forward just a subdirecotry of your webserver to zimbra: |
| 21:57.19 | findlay | 15:48 < goozbach> outside port 80 ----> apache mod_proxy ----> zimbra |
| 21:57.22 | findlay | hm |
| 21:57.24 | findlay | that was supposed to go to bonez41 |
| 21:57.49 | Jayce^ | findlay, if you did a /msg, then paste, the /msg only applied until the \n at the end of the first line.. |
| 21:58.02 | findlay | oh |
| 21:58.12 | findlay | :) |
| 22:05.50 | bonez41 | findlay, zimbra does all its own stuff...own email...own exim/postfix...etc...has its own installation of apache..when it installs... |
| 22:06.28 | bonez41 | Jayce^, as for wanting a virtual versus real interface? I dont' care which..if I can keep existing stuff working, AND have zimbra working as it wants to on its own box |
| 22:07.09 | bonez41 | sorry I am confusing on all this.. |
| 22:10.58 | nick125_ | I hate Compusa even more now. |
| 22:11.32 | nick125_ | They are denying my warranty repair and it's going to take a few days before they send it out. |
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| 22:12.58 | nick125_ | They told me on saturday it would ship out today. |
| 22:22.06 | findlay | what does it mean if you have lots of wildly different ping times? |
| 22:26.20 | Tene | findlay: ghosts in your switch. |
| 22:26.55 | bonez41 | goozbach, findlay any other suggestions on my port rearranging task? |
| 22:28.14 | findlay | bonez41: I haven't looked it over very carefully |
| 22:28.30 | findlay | Tene: there are lots of ghosts in veracity |
| 22:29.44 | findlay | Tene: I randomly get pings of 2000..5000 ms as well as lots of times in 100..1000 ms |
| 22:29.52 | Tene | findlay: yeah, ghosts. |
| 22:29.58 | nick125_ | findlay: Any network traffic? |
| 22:29.58 | findlay | but not consistently |
| 22:30.02 | findlay | nick125_: nope |
| 22:30.10 | findlay | at least not on my account |
| 22:30.12 | findlay | ha ha |
| 22:30.15 | Tene | findlay: try pinging something inside veracity's network closer to you |
| 22:30.20 | findlay | hm |
| 22:30.35 | findlay | now you're thinking pragmatically |
| 22:30.43 | Tene | ping your own router, the next hop out, etc. |
| 22:30.47 | findlay | right |
| 22:30.53 | nick125_ | traceroute |
| 22:31.00 | Tene | Or you could just blame it on veracity and declare them incompetent. |
| 22:31.04 | nick125_ | Or actually, mtr would be better. |
| 22:31.05 | Tene | Without investigating. |
| 22:37.31 | findlay | is there a way to simplate udp traffic? |
| 22:37.53 | findlay | netcat or something like that? |
| 22:38.08 | findlay | s/p// |
| 22:38.14 | findlay | s/p/u/ |
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| 22:52.49 | findlay | http://rude.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:52.50 | brac | [(C)RUDE - RUDE & CRUDE] |
| 22:52.57 | findlay | that's it |
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| 22:54.33 | findlay | ~bach elg |
| 23:35.13 | levi | Gah, git always bites me whenever I try to do any 'distributed' stuff. |
| 23:37.33 | levi | Ahh, there we go, I forgot to push with --all |
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| 23:39.19 | brasto | I'm in a mutt mail body screen (where you type the body of an email)... what do I do when done? No instructions at the top... |
| 23:43.02 | levi | I think, at that point, you're actually in the editor that mutt calls. |
| 23:43.15 | levi | What you would do at that point depends on the editor. |
| 23:43.31 | levi | But, generally, you want to save and quit the editor. |
| 23:43.41 | brasto | ah, ok, yep that worked |
| 23:43.56 | brasto | looked like it dumped me into vi |
| 23:44.04 | brasto | thanks levi |
| 23:44.07 | levi | No problem. |
| 23:44.23 | levi | I'm sure you can configure it to use a different editor. It probably respects the $EDITOR environment variable. |
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| 23:54.45 | brasto | prob'ly via some muttrc file? |
