| 00:08.21 | vontrapp | mheath: you heathen, just make a cake |
| 00:08.56 | graphyx | maybe he needs to buy suplies for making the cake? |
| 00:09.08 | vontrapp | that's not what he said |
| 00:09.15 | vontrapp | he said 'buy a cake' |
| 00:09.46 | graphyx | perhaps he forgot to add mix on there. |
| 00:09.48 | graphyx | =] |
| 00:09.58 | vontrapp | that's still heathenish |
| 00:10.33 | graphyx | Well why make a cake when you can buy one. |
| 00:18.24 | vontrapp | because cakes are bad enough without being mass produced |
| 00:18.44 | vontrapp | bought cakes are disgusting |
| 00:19.23 | graphyx | there is some truth to that |
| 00:19.25 | graphyx | for sure |
| 00:21.25 | vontrapp | i need to do some more bike building |
| 00:27.59 | mheath | heathenish? sic? :P |
| 00:30.47 | vontrapp | heathenshi*, errr |
| 00:31.08 | vontrapp | i guess that was the right way |
| 00:31.16 | vontrapp | ~sp heathenish |
| 00:31.30 | vontrapp | ~spell heathenish |
| 00:31.38 | vontrapp | hah! |
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| 00:56.57 | mheath | dah |
| 00:57.02 | mheath | *ah |
| 00:57.07 | mheath | I thought you were trying to be funny. |
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| 01:14.19 | findlay | ouch |
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| 01:45.53 | vontrapp | hah! |
| 01:46.19 | vontrapp | wooo! |
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| 02:19.11 | fraktion | Utah sucks ./server irc.talkingirc.net tiz teh l33t. |
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| 02:19.41 | nick125_lappy | Ah, insult people then ask them to join your IRC server. |
| 02:19.44 | nick125_lappy | Great plan. |
| 02:20.53 | nick125_lappy | Someone should ban him and forward him to #talkingircsucks |
| 02:28.00 | mheath | heh, Microsoft's phone activation is a joke. |
| 02:28.25 | mheath | I'm glad it was easy to activate, but if they're trying to really secure their stuff against piracy... |
| 02:28.36 | mheath | Its mostly honor system based |
| 02:28.48 | mheath | If their auto thing won't activate, the customer service rep asks some questions |
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| 02:29.00 | mheath | 1) Have you installed this on other computers? (This question is self explanatory) |
| 02:29.29 | mheath | 2) Why are you installing again? (Not sure if this is for survey people, or to try to see if you give a legitimate reason) |
| 02:30.17 | mheath | 3) Did you purchase this with the computer or seperately? (OEM vendors are given special keys. Presumably this is so to check that you know what kind of key it is, to avoid you finding / using some random key) |
| 02:30.22 | mheath | Then they activate it for you |
| 02:31.34 | mheath | I am considering running for city council. |
| 02:31.49 | beandog | yah? |
| 02:31.53 | beandog | right on. |
| 02:32.07 | mheath | Small city council. Would not have a big impact on anything, really. |
| 02:32.49 | nick125_lappy | OEM licenses can't be moved, that's why they ask. |
| 02:33.03 | mheath | nick125_lappy: they don't word it like that, though. |
| 02:33.22 | nick125_lappy | mheath: OEM licenses are glued to the computer they came with |
| 02:33.23 | mheath | They say "Did this software come with the computer you are installing it on, or was it purchased seperately?" |
| 02:33.34 | nick125_lappy | Yeah, but, that's why they ask |
| 02:33.46 | mheath | It can be moved, by the way |
| 02:33.49 | beandog | are you talking about activating windows? |
| 02:33.57 | levi_home | Man, does WoW get patched every day, or what? |
| 02:33.57 | nick125_lappy | mheath: Not in Vista. |
| 02:33.58 | mheath | If not technically allowed, their phone activation system at least doesn't know about it. |
| 02:34.09 | mheath | levi_home: Tuesdays, mainly. |
| 02:34.17 | mheath | Theres usually a very small path at least every week |
| 02:34.27 | mheath | Every once in a while they'll roll out a big patch |
| 02:34.38 | mheath | The patches aren't usually that many technical / bug fixes |
| 02:34.46 | mheath | Majority of it is tweaking game parameters |
| 02:34.57 | mheath | Trying to balance things out, or introduce new items, etc. |
| 02:35.34 | levi_home | I installed it yesterday, and had to wait through several patch downloads. Today I have to wait for another one. |
| 02:35.48 | mheath | levi_home: yeah. |
| 02:35.52 | mheath | Well, at least they consolidate patches |
| 02:36.31 | mheath | What you downloaded yesterday was a consolidated release of all past patches since the version on the disk |
| 02:36.52 | mheath | Plus one or two small patches since that consolidated version was released |
| 02:36.57 | mheath | Today, you installed this weeks patch |
| 02:37.04 | mheath | (which nerfed mages, by the way -.-) |
| 02:38.03 | mheath | So, apparently in Vista, two reinstalls and the auto activate stops working |
| 02:38.15 | mheath | erm, after one (second reinstall you have to call in) |
| 02:39.19 | mheath | levi_home: You starting to play? |
| 02:43.25 | mheath | Hmm, I had an idea about how to help the situation with malpractice lawsuits |
| 02:44.06 | levi_home | mheath: Yeah, I have a level 7 night elf druid |
| 02:44.21 | mheath | Hospitals solve this by often requiring patients to sign a hold harmless agreement, which limits action to arbitration and completely prevents any traditional court filings. |
| 02:44.24 | levi_home | My wife bought it for me for Father's Day. |
| 02:45.20 | mheath | Why not have a kind of patients federation....where patients consent to arbitration by _peers_ (rather than a medical-provider chosen arbitration comitte) as a condition for bringing legal charges against the provider |
| 02:45.25 | mheath | levi_home: sweet, what server are you on? |
| 02:45.50 | mheath | Druids are great, too. simple respec makes them excellent tanks, and excellent healers. |
| 02:47.02 | mheath | Is there any legal complications with that idea? |
| 02:51.16 | levi_home | mheath: I'll have to check the server name when I log in. |
| 02:52.34 | mheath | levi_home: It's an addicting game, isn't it? :) |
| 02:53.03 | levi_home | Well, I've only played it twice now, and both times it was just doing the beginning stuff. |
| 02:53.11 | levi_home | So far, it's fun. :) |
| 02:53.18 | mheath | beginning stuff can be a bit boring, and get a bit repetitive |
| 02:53.40 | mheath | Gets funner when you get a little bit higher and can start running instances and getting some decent equipment |
| 02:54.01 | mheath | levi_home: at level 10, you'll be able to turn into a bear form :) |
| 02:54.08 | levi_home | Apparently I'm on the Fenris server. |
| 02:55.08 | mheath | Ah. |
| 02:56.58 | mheath | Hmm |
| 02:57.18 | mheath | Can anyone point me to some decent tutorials on using Open Office.Org's Base's Forms? |
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| 03:18.59 | mheath | Whats cool about Vista is they now include all versions on one DVD |
| 03:19.11 | mheath | I can use MY CD to reinstall any version on anyones computer, with any key. |
| 03:19.31 | mheath | I shouldn't say cool. I should say "better than they way they did it before." |
| 03:19.33 | elg | that's its redeeming quality? |
| 03:19.45 | elg | definitely an improvement |
| 03:20.16 | graphyx | Well since previously they were using CDs for install XP that wasn't an option. |
| 03:20.59 | mheath | graphyx: the differences between home and pro were small enough that they could have included both on the CD. |
| 03:21.10 | mheath | Its not like they have distinct copies of each version on the DVD |
| 03:21.31 | mheath | They just have all the data needed for any version, and the installer is smart to install the correct data based on your CD key |
| 03:22.17 | graphyx | ~kick mheath for being so off topic that he is talking about windows XP |
| 03:22.18 | ibot | ACTION kicks mheath for being so off topic that he is talking about windows XP |
| 03:24.58 | mheath | Hey, anyone know of any web-based version control systems that more user friendly than CVS? |
| 03:25.33 | mheath | IE, the idea is, a user could do something like add an update to a word processing document using a web based form, and add a comment on what was updated/changed |
| 03:25.42 | mheath | And changes could be reverted, etc. |
| 03:26.10 | mheath | Not a complete code versioning system, just a web based system for keeping track of the latest version of files and reverting changes. |
| 03:30.51 | goozbach | alfresco |
| 03:33.19 | mheath | meh, too complicated. Don't need a CMS, just need file version control. |
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| 03:57.53 | vontrapp | doesn't wiki do that? |
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| 04:13.03 | bonez39 | ah, Lakshmi_3 .. Hello |
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| 05:09.39 | Lakshmi__3 | hey bonez39 ! |
| 05:12.14 | graphyx | ~set onjoin redbeard2 send graphyx your phone number |
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| 05:12.30 | graphyx | ibot!!!! |
| 05:12.34 | graphyx | noooo! come back. |
| 05:12.58 | mheath | Hey, Sargun |
| 05:14.41 | Sargun | mheath, hey mheath |
| 05:14.54 | mheath | Redundant Redundancy. |
| 05:15.09 | mheath | meh, time for sleep. I'm out of here. |
| 05:15.50 | Sargun | haha |
| 05:16.01 | Sargun | Its like RAID1, on crack. |
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| 06:11.44 | levi_home | Gah, keep getting killed in WoW. |
| 06:11.46 | levi_home | Time to sleep. |
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| 13:40.44 | goozbach | iphone? is it worth it? |
| 13:47.28 | harleypig | They aren't opening it up for developers ... I'd say no. |
| 13:48.45 | Jayce^ | goozbach, it will probably be later on, but I want more memory :) |
| 13:54.56 | jsmith | goozbach: Nope... not worth it |
| 14:04.49 | goozbach | but it's got a proxmity sensor, and an accelerameter |
| 14:09.06 | jsmith | Yeah, but you can't program them to do anything useful |
| 14:09.13 | jsmith | It's a car with the hood welded shut |
| 14:09.29 | jsmith | (unless you think you're somehow gonna be able to get to that data via AJAX... yeah right) |
| 14:13.51 | goozbach | heh |
| 14:14.57 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTrAhXg7EhE |
| 14:20.07 | herlo | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 14:20.07 | ibot | resizes ^Migs^'s terminal to 40x24 |
| 14:25.24 | ^Migs^ | now I can finally see what I'm typing |
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| 14:33.21 | herlo | an interesting article on Dell and Ubuntu: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/06/20/1215213.shtml |
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| 14:48.51 | goozbach | pineapple! |
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| 15:23.31 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1S2tsxVHg |
| 15:28.28 | ^Migs^ | Mr. T puts the "T" in I.T.! |
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| 15:30.12 | beandog | heh |
| 15:30.15 | beandog | that is weird. |
| 15:30.18 | beandog | I love Mr. T |
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| 15:34.00 | levi | My little brother is planning on getting an iPhone, so I'll get a chance to play with one without going broke. |
| 15:34.18 | Tene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puddle |
| 15:35.12 | fozzmoo | What would we do without wikipedia? |
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| 15:38.43 | graphyx | good morning #utah!! |
| 15:40.23 | ^Migs^ | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Mr._T |
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| 16:12.53 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: buy teh haloz |
| 16:13.16 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 16:14.33 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: penny arcade |
| 16:19.46 | findlay | ~pineapple |
| 16:19.47 | ibot | ACTION dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing ~o pineapple pineapple pineapple ~o |
| 16:27.35 | sjansen | o/~ Not to put too fine a point on it, say I'm the only bee in your bonnet, build a little birdhouse in your sould. ~/o |
| 16:33.12 | findlay | ~bee |
| 16:33.12 | ibot | rumour has it, bee is soon going to be converted to a Linux chick by Jenson whether she likes it or not |
| 16:35.37 | sjansen | ~seen bee |
| 16:35.38 | ibot | bee <n=daniele@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 160d 1h 44m 41s ago, saying: 'how to enter busybox at kernel boot time?'. |
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| 16:53.53 | Tene | ibot: onjoin elg |
| 16:53.53 | ibot | onjoin for elg set by elg on Mon Jun 18 18:25:38 2007: What's that up in the sky? It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a møøse! |
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| 16:59.55 | sjansen | For great fun in GNOME: <alt-f2>free the fish<enter> |
| 17:02.19 | levi | Stupid sourceforge. |
| 17:02.31 | levi | They broke links I need into their mail list archives. :/ |
| 17:05.32 | goozbach | emcnabb: if I weren't heterosexual... I'd kiss you on the mouth right now |
| 17:05.50 | goozbach | this "it's all text" plugin is making my life HEAVEN! |
| 17:06.15 | findlay | it's OK |
| 17:06.28 | findlay | I wish it dropped your editor inline, though |
| 17:06.54 | findlay | that + the resizable form fields extension would be awesome |
| 17:07.11 | goozbach | even with a popup gvim window, my wiki editing is breezing by |
| 17:07.32 | goozbach | espcially as I am migrating current docs from docbook format. |
| 17:07.59 | findlay | there's no docbook2wiki? |
| 17:10.27 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Crashing-Las-Vegas.aspx |
| 17:15.18 | goozbach | findlay: I didn't investigate |
| 17:15.29 | goozbach | it was a bad choice to use docbook for our documentation |
| 17:15.44 | goozbach | docbook is usefull if it's ever going to end up in print somewhere |
| 17:15.51 | goozbach | but not easily modifiable |
| 17:16.05 | goozbach | like living documentation should be |
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| 17:37.51 | findlay | ha: error: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:42.25 | sjansen | goozbach: Well put. |
| 17:47.00 | levi | sjansen: So, how does one kill the fish after freeing it? |
| 17:49.04 | sjansen | levi: pkill gnome-panel |
| 17:50.26 | redbeard2 | ~pkill sjansen |
| 17:50.46 | sjansen | redbeard2: Ha, missed, you forgot a switch! |
| 17:50.50 | sjansen | ~pkill -u redbeard2 |
| 17:50.52 | redbeard2 | dangit! |
| 17:51.42 | redbeard2 | killall sjansen |
| 17:51.45 | redbeard2 | ~killall sjansen |
| 17:52.03 | fozzmoo | redbeard2: I didn't know you'd become a Guru. |
| 17:52.05 | fozzmoo | Congrats. |
| 17:52.16 | redbeard2 | fozzmoo: thanks man. i hear you used to teach a little here too. |
| 17:52.18 | fozzmoo | Next time you see me, smack me for not paying attention or something. |
| 17:52.32 | redbeard2 | ~smack fozzmoo |
| 17:52.32 | ibot | ACTION smacks fozzmoo upside the head. |
| 17:52.32 | fozzmoo | I'm the backup guru. :) |
| 17:57.35 | sjansen | I seem to remember that Continental only gives half-miles to Skyteam partners. Can anyone confirm or deny? |
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| 17:58.03 | jsmith | sjansen: Hmmmn... I don't think so, but it's been a while since I flew on Continental |
| 17:58.21 | findlay | does that mean that the distance between cities is halved? |
| 17:58.31 | findlay | I'd take that |
| 17:58.46 | fozzmo1 | Can't help but be reminded of a bit from Glenn Beck's show a couple weeks ago. |
| 17:59.02 | fozzmo1 | His stage show, that is. |
| 18:00.19 | fozzmo1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ulWDHUWs4 |
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| 18:01.17 | ^Migs^ | oh snap |
| 18:03.22 | sjansen | ~snap ^Migs^ |
| 18:03.57 | ^Migs^ | did you get to see his show? |
| 18:04.09 | fozzmo1 | Yes. I went to the Boise show. |
| 18:04.37 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 18:04.41 | findlay | fozzmoo: |
| 18:04.52 | findlay | still here |
| 18:05.26 | fozzmo1 | yeah. |
| 18:05.29 | fozzmo1 | brb |
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| 18:06.15 | sjansen | My sister was once bitten by a møøse. |
| 18:06.51 | fozzmoo | YAY! |
| 18:07.30 | fozzmoo | Yeah- saw hiim in Boise and in Salt Lake last December. |
| 18:07.34 | fozzmoo | He's pretty fun on stage. |
| 18:10.48 | elg | who me? |
| 18:10.57 | elg | i promise, I'm not that fun on stage. |
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| 19:14.20 | levi | elg: That Glenn Beck dude. |
| 19:15.43 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 19:16.12 | findlay | Mhh. |
| 19:19.15 | findlay | ~memory |
| 19:19.16 | ibot | The memory smacks of usage! |
| 19:19.16 | levi | I'm not a fan, though I find him less offensive than most radio talking heads. |
| 19:20.49 | dataw0lf | meh, I agree with Glenn Beck on a couple things |
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| 19:25.58 | levi | Me too, but I have a pretty strong distaste for radio pundits in general, whatever their beliefs. |
| 19:26.51 | ^Migs^ | Beck refers to himself as a "radio pundit" |
| 19:29.04 | dataw0lf | I like Al Franken |
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| 19:40.46 | goozbach | interesting |
| 19:41.04 | goozbach | adobe now has a yum repo for the flash player plugin |
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| 19:54.41 | mheath | sweet |
| 19:54.54 | mheath | Not as good as a deb repository, though ;-)\ |
| 19:55.12 | mheath | Hmm, wonder why my friend called me |
| 19:55.34 | mheath | old Navy friend haven't talked to in a while now, tried to call me out of the blue. Didn't think he even had my number. |
| 19:56.19 | Tene | stalker! |
| 19:56.44 | mheath | hah, no. Hard for my one of my best friends to be a stalker =P |
| 19:56.58 | ^Migs^ | I don't know |
| 19:57.04 | ^Migs^ | I could totally see some of my friends as stalkers |
| 19:57.12 | mheath | guess its feasible he just wanted to talk |
| 19:57.17 | mheath | but we live across the country from each other now |
| 19:57.24 | dataw0lf | win 9 |
| 19:57.27 | dataw0lf | argh |
| 19:57.27 | mheath | don't really just....call each other up to talk :P |
| 19:57.34 | mheath | dataw0lf: thats too many windows. |
| 19:57.50 | dataw0lf | thanks for the input |
| 19:57.50 | mheath | window close |
| 19:57.55 | dataw0lf | > |
| 19:57.57 | mheath | dataw0lf: you're welcome. |
| 19:58.05 | dataw0lf | /dev/null |
| 19:58.32 | mheath | I don't think you can dump IRC commands to character devices.... |
| 19:58.53 | dataw0lf | uh, sure you can |
| 20:02.35 | mheath | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/20/1524219&from=rss |
| 20:02.40 | mheath | Am I missing something? |
| 20:02.54 | mheath | I thought WSU held the WiFi record for a while, at 82 miles. |
| 20:02.57 | mheath | Is this something different? |
| 20:03.06 | mheath | I find it hard to believe that the distance jumped so much |
| 20:04.20 | dataw0lf | Uh, I was there when the wifi record was broken and set at 125 miles |
| 20:04.26 | dataw0lf | a couple years ago |
| 20:05.08 | mheath | oh, one obvious difference |
| 20:05.19 | mheath | The WSU record was literally commercially available, simple stuff |
| 20:05.38 | mheath | Home network equipment, modified with radio-shack-available stuff to increase range |
| 20:05.49 | dataw0lf | uh, same with the 125 miles |
| 20:06.07 | mheath | Wheras this, while not 'high end' wireless communications equipment, has professional dishes, a tower, etc. |
| 20:06.16 | mheath | dataw0lf: I'm not saying that 125 mile record didn't beat WSU. Never said that. |
| 20:06.25 | dataw0lf | I'm saying it got beat two years ago |
| 20:06.32 | dataw0lf | so either way, you're offbase. |
| 20:06.33 | mheath | Saying, though that I think that 125 mile record + WSU's record ard in adifferent category than thits is, I think |
| 20:07.10 | mheath | dataw0lf: Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Because, you're right, I did say "WSU _Currently_ holds the WiFi record at 82 miles" |
| 20:07.39 | mheath | Not anything like "I thought WSU held the WiFi record for a while, at 82 miles." "I find it hard to believe that the distance jumped so much" |
| 20:08.24 | herlo | goozbach: where is the repo? |
| 20:08.55 | Tene | -google adobe flash yum repository |
| 20:08.56 | brac | adobe flash yum repository: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux |
| 20:09.02 | Tene | :/ |
| 20:09.08 | *** part/#utah phinux (n=jamie@151.155.188.155) |
| 20:09.43 | findlay | -google gnash |
| 20:09.44 | brac | gnash: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 20:11.29 | mheath | ~congratulate findlay |
| 20:11.37 | ibot | ACTION congratulates findlay on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 20:12.10 | findlay | flash is just a loser proprietary plugin |
| 20:12.27 | mheath | meh |
| 20:13.00 | mheath | the "I'll only use free software for the sake of using free software" argument is stupid and limiting. |
| 20:13.17 | mheath | Why not say, I'll use the _best_ software and encourage development of _better_ software? |
| 20:14.03 | findlay | because that's 'stupid and limiting' |
| 20:14.41 | mheath | Sorry, I don't believe in clinging to ideals that aren't necessarily linked to any advantage for anyone. |
| 20:14.52 | mheath | I use things that work best. I know thats a shocker of a concept... |
| 20:15.40 | Tene | the "I'll only obtain money through legitimate business practices" is stupid and limiting |
| 20:16.02 | Tene | Why not say "I'll make money however possible, regardless of what it takes"? |
| 20:16.11 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:16.53 | mheath | Tene: Wrong comparison. It's like "I'll make a honest living doing whatever I'd like" vs "I'm going to feel horrible guilt unless I become a monk, take a vow of silence, and go hide up in a mountain range somewhere" |
| 20:17.29 | Tene | mheath: Yes, that's certainly a valid comparison, because as we can obviously see, findlay does no computing whatsoever. |
| 20:17.30 | dataw0lf | Wrong, mheath. To people who get into the free software thing, it's a moral obligation. |
| 20:17.34 | dataw0lf | Just like not cheating on homework |
| 20:17.36 | dataw0lf | or cheating in business |
| 20:17.45 | Tene | or cheating on your taxes |
| 20:18.02 | mheath | dataw0lf: Yeah |
| 20:18.04 | dataw0lf | it might be a pain, but you believe you're a better person. |
| 20:18.10 | mheath | Just like becoming a monk and taking a vow of silence |
| 20:18.15 | mheath | Thats a moral obligation to some, too |
| 20:18.28 | dataw0lf | you can't take one huge extreme and try to compare it |
| 20:18.34 | Tene | mheath: you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:18.48 | findlay | Tene: don't tell everyone my no-computing secret! |
| 20:19.00 | dataw0lf | using free software is a minor inconvenience on occasion, usually a great benefit on most. |
| 20:19.02 | mheath | dataw0lf: Thats what I'm talking about. Open source software being sure they're NOT the extreme. 100% positive they're doing everything the right way |
| 20:19.03 | Tene | mheath: if you want to *really* win the debate, you need to compare that to religiously-motivated murder. |
| 20:19.06 | mheath | And everything else just sucks |
| 20:19.28 | Tene | monks are harmless. |
| 20:19.32 | Tene | terrorists are where it's at |
| 20:19.57 | mheath | (of course findlay uses computers; findlay _is_ a computer) |
| 20:20.01 | findlay | yay, I got a debate started! |
| 20:20.15 | Tene | a computer monk! |
| 20:20.26 | findlay | sweet! |
| 20:20.28 | Tene | ~findlay++ |
| 20:20.49 | findlay | of course monk is a lower level than guru :? |
| 20:20.54 | findlay | s/?/\// |
| 20:21.19 | Tene | mheath: try "Just like murdering christians. That's a moral obligation to some terrorists, too." |
| 20:22.13 | dataw0lf | or bombing abortion clinics... |
| 20:22.49 | Tene | yes |
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| 20:25.27 | levi | Hmm, I seem to have lost my home connection. |
| 20:26.00 | Tene | yay! |
| 20:26.18 | mheath | meh |
| 20:27.36 | levi | Ah, the power went out. |
| 20:32.32 | levi | Stupid power company. |
| 20:34.11 | nick125_lappy | Power companies suck. |
| 20:34.15 | bonez44 | levi, need to generate your own... |
| 20:34.27 | levi | Um, yeah. |
| 20:34.46 | nick125_lappy | Usually, the outages here are just enough to reset my CPE (which isn't on UPS) :/ |
| 20:35.19 | levi | Where am I going to stick a generator in my apartment-style condo? |
| 20:35.59 | bonez44 | well, in a condo that doesn't work..have to pester your local Public Utility Commission...about the power outages |
| 20:36.45 | mheath | We generate our own power up at our cabin :P |
| 20:37.35 | bonez44 | mheath, just a gas powered generator? |
| 20:40.54 | mheath | bonez44: They have that as a backup. Its a solar powered system, actually |
| 20:41.20 | bonez44 | really.....I'd love to figure out how to generate more of what we need . .. and cut out power bills |
| 20:41.53 | nick125_lappy | Solar is usually so expensive that it outweights any of the power saving. |
| 20:42.33 | mheath | Well, this is a cabin in Colorado that we only visit ocassionally |
| 20:43.41 | mheath | The building is co-owned by my dad and other family members |
| 20:43.46 | mheath | We don't handle the maintenance of it |
| 20:44.01 | mheath | And actually, right now, the solar power system has fallen into disrepair. |
| 20:44.45 | bonez44 | nick125_lappy, I realize the payback period is very long for solar...but isn't doing something like solar helpful... to some extent? |
| 20:45.50 | mheath | The batteries were originally put in there decades ago and are of poor quality |
| 20:45.58 | mheath | All coroded and nasty |
| 20:47.01 | mheath | bonez44: I don't know much about it as a power saving option |
| 20:47.11 | mheath | We have it installed there for urnning lights before there is no power grid up there |
| 20:48.15 | mheath | http://www.archive.org/details/MainstreetMomsandWorkingAssetsLeaveMyChildAlone |
| 20:48.20 | mheath | Thats teh most retarded video I've ever seen |
| 20:48.42 | mheath | OMG, recruiters tried to recruit my kid! |
| 20:48.53 | mheath | WE NEED TO BAN RECRUITERS! |
| 20:49.57 | nick125_lappy | http://www.filecabi.net/video/mom-tells-kid-no-more-warcraft.html < This is funny |
| 20:50.20 | nick125_lappy | He should have hit the mute button. |
| 20:50.23 | mheath | nick125_lappy: Question for you |
| 20:50.37 | mheath | I know you have no interest in joining hte military, so you're a good person to ask |
| 20:50.48 | nick125_lappy | Sure. |
| 20:51.03 | mheath | When a recruiter has called you and talked to you (or have they not yet?), are they retarded and pressing? |
| 20:51.14 | mheath | Or can you usually just tell them "you know, I'm really not interested" and thats that? |
| 20:51.21 | nick125_lappy | I would simply tell them I'm not interested. |
| 20:51.24 | mheath | See |
| 20:51.34 | mheath | All these people getting so offended by recruiters |
| 20:51.48 | mheath | Pretend like its some horrible travisity whenever a recruiter called |
| 20:52.08 | mheath | Heh, theres a segment in that video where the mom manages to describe a normal trip to MEPS like its her families worst nightmare |
| 20:52.14 | mheath | "They took him away to do all these...TESTS!" |
| 20:52.41 | mheath | And they have clips of highschool students talking about how they try to "take you in" by giving away free stuff |
| 20:52.52 | mheath | From what I've seen, if all you want is the free stuff, cool. |
| 20:53.01 | mheath | Or a precondition for getting it imight be to talk to the recruiter for a sec |
| 20:53.33 | mheath | It's not like they say "OMG, you took a pencil, now I'm going to come pound down your door until you join" |
| 20:53.50 | mheath | Meh, I love that I get being accused in Utah of being too liberal |
| 20:54.02 | mheath | Then I go elsewhere and people tell me I'm too conservative :P |
| 20:54.21 | ^Migs^ | you're conserberal |
| 20:58.26 | ^Migs^ | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PSKSDO0&show_article=1 |
| 20:59.39 | mheath | Wait, killed the _passenger_? |
| 21:00.33 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:00.46 | Jayce^ | tried to stop the mob from getting the driver |
| 21:00.56 | mheath | Thats scary |
| 21:01.10 | mheath | "Wait, wait, please don't kill him!" |
| 21:01.15 | mheath | "Uh, uh,......KILL HIM TOO!!" |
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| 21:02.24 | mheath | I find this funnier....found it in a random link from that first page: |
| 21:02.29 | mheath | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8JCHEI81&show_article=1 |
| 21:02.41 | mheath | Man gets knocked unconcious by a fish :P |
| 21:02.44 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 21:03.01 | mheath | last year though |
| 21:04.13 | mheath | haha, he was air lifted |
| 21:04.24 | mheath | Imagine that paramedic radio call |
| 21:04.43 | mheath | "In route with a 21 year old male, chief complaint of getting knocked in the head by a fish..." |
| 21:05.33 | mheath | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_f4mdl4jdo31&show_article=1 |
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| 21:05.40 | mheath | Ahha! And it happens again. |
| 21:05.44 | mheath | Attack of the fish |
| 21:07.07 | mheath | April, 2006 - Fish jumps in boat and attacks 31 year old woman, who is hospitalized |
| 21:07.23 | mheath | August, 2006 - Fish kocks waterskier in the head. He is hospitalized. |
| 21:08.12 | mheath | April, 2007 - 50 year old woman suffers a ruptured spleen and has 4 fingers (and a tooth? WTF?) bitten off by a fish |
| 21:08.22 | Supaplex | sounds fishy :P |
| 21:08.31 | mheath | June, 2007 - 32 year old woman knocked unconconcious by a fish |
| 21:09.47 | mheath | Jaws whatever-number-we're-on-now: Attack of the Sturgeon! |
| 21:14.29 | rsimpkins | Has anyone here ran HP Superdomes? |
| 21:14.39 | rsimpkins | Or any other large scale HP box. |
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| 21:19.47 | Supaplex | I'll take a few off your hands ;) |
| 21:20.53 | rsimpkins | It's hard for me to mentally make the switch from x86 entry level to high-end server platforms. |
| 21:21.25 | rsimpkins | So my dual socket Xeon knowledge isn't really useful when compared to a high-end server offering. |
| 21:22.09 | rsimpkins | RHEL is certified on the Superdome - but Linux goes south if a proc dies. |
| 21:22.21 | rsimpkins | So I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with HP-UX here. |
| 21:24.21 | Jayce^ | at least you can personally call on spr for help now :) |
| 21:24.22 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Yeah, well. Linux isn't up to the big iron task yet. |
| 21:24.33 | rsimpkins | No thanks to the OSDL. |
| 21:24.39 | rsimpkins | ~lart the OSDL |
| 21:24.39 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in the OSDL's direction, hitting the OSDL and sending the OSDL flying into the closet |
| 21:24.50 | nick125_lappy | rsimpkins: Don't you mean the linux foundation? |
| 21:25.11 | nick125_lappy | They merged with the OSDL IIRC. |
| 21:25.25 | rsimpkins | nick125_lappy: Ahh, well, it's still millions of dollars flushed down the toilet. |
| 21:25.47 | nick125_lappy | "On January 22, 2007, OSDL and the Free Standards Group merged to form The Linux Foundation, narrowing their respective focuses to that of promoting Linux in competition with Microsoft Windows.[1]" < wikipedia article |
| 21:26.25 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I'm a few months behind I guess. |
| 21:26.37 | rsimpkins | They still don't get it. |
| 21:27.06 | rsimpkins | The OSDL was created so crap like CPU failure on a big-iron box would work like it does in Windows and HPUX. |
| 21:27.41 | rsimpkins | You don't pay that kinda dough for a system with hot-swap everything, and physically redundant everything, to have your OS decide to quit. |
| 21:28.52 | nick125_lappy | Yeah, that's definitely a problem. |
| 21:29.44 | rsimpkins | We need an organization with the money to buy this stuff and make it available to developers - which is what the OSDL was supposed to do.... |
| 21:29.56 | rsimpkins | they just spent the money on fancy executives intead of fancy servers though. |
| 21:30.37 | nick125_lappy | I mean, the OSDL ha[s,d] a purpose, just not what it should've been. |
| 21:31.22 | findlay | well, I guess we should all use windows |
| 21:31.43 | findlay | Microsoft, after all, will fix bugs and provide real support |
| 21:31.55 | findlay | you get what you pay for |
| 21:32.11 | jsmith | What in tarnation? |
| 21:32.16 | findlay | heh |
| 21:32.24 | rsimpkins | jsmith: make Linux run well on big-iron. can you get on that tonight plz? |
| 21:32.42 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Sure, help me solve a stupid vsftpd problem, and I'd be happy to |
| 21:32.48 | jsmith | rsimpkins: You wanna take a stab at this? |
| 21:33.00 | rsimpkins | jsmith: apt-get remove vsfptd, problem solved. ;) |
| 21:33.03 | findlay | linux is just created by a bunch of commie computer dudes. *They* can't support you |
| 21:33.19 | jsmith | bash: atp-get: command not found |
| 21:33.28 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Take that :-) |
| 21:33.33 | findlay | atp-get? |
| 21:33.33 | nick125_lappy | yum remove vsftpd |
| 21:33.41 | jsmith | Yeah, yeah... I mistyped it |
| 21:34.02 | rsimpkins | jsmith: What is it not doing? |
| 21:34.03 | jsmith | That doesn't make my wife happy though... |
| 21:34.26 | jsmith | rsimpkins: vsftpd is running, and accepting connections. As soon as you try to do an 'ls' or something like that, it kills the connection |
| 21:34.28 | rsimpkins | findlay: Give me dynamic CPUs in Linux, and I'll be happy. |
| 21:34.33 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Nothing shows up in syslog |
| 21:34.39 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Nothing shows up in the xferlog |
| 21:34.39 | rsimpkins | jsmith: selinux? |
| 21:34.44 | jsmith | rsimpkins: selinux not running |
| 21:34.50 | jsmith | rsimpkins: (well, it's in permissive mode) |
| 21:34.56 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: Try stracing it running in non-daemon mode? |
| 21:35.08 | rsimpkins | jsmith: chroot jail? |
| 21:35.10 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Did that... here's what it's showing |
| 21:35.20 | herlo | sudo go to chroot jail |
| 21:35.55 | jsmith | [root@www log]# strace -p 7264 |
| 21:35.56 | jsmith | Process 7264 attached - interrupt to quit |
| 21:35.56 | jsmith | accept(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(32924), sin_addr=inet_addr("68.246.234.24")}, [18446744069414584336]) = 0 |
| 21:35.56 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:35.56 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [HUP], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:35.57 | jsmith | clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0x2a96926c50) = 7553 |
| 21:35.59 | jsmith | close(0) = 0 |
| 21:36.01 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [CHLD], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:36.03 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [HUP], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:36.05 | jsmith | accept(3, 0x7fbffffa80, [18446744069414584348]) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted) |
| 21:36.09 | jsmith | --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 21:36.11 | jsmith | wait4(-1, NULL, WNOHANG, NULL) = 7553 |
| 21:36.13 | jsmith | wait4(-1, NULL, WNOHANG, NULL) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes) |
| 21:36.15 | jsmith | rt_sigreturn(0xffffffffffffffff) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) |
| 21:36.17 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:36.19 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [HUP], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:36.21 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [CHLD], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:36.23 | jsmith | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [HUP], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 21:36.25 | jsmith | Sorry for the flood... |
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| 21:37.13 | nick125_lappy | So, the child process is restarting? |
| 21:37.28 | jsmith | Apparently so |
| 21:39.06 | rsimpkins | Linux needs the following: memory de-allocation, and dynamic CPUs. I'm sure that's like a one day coding job for someone. Get on it. :) |
| 21:40.02 | TimRiker | rsimpkins: intel ia64 machines support this. last I did it, it needed custom patches. that was a long time ago though. |
| 21:40.19 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: both of the features? |
| 21:40.32 | TimRiker | rsimpkins: iirc the 0 page memory could not be swapped then. but any other memory and cpus could. |
| 21:40.54 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: Cool... I wonder if that ever landed in RHEL/RHAS |
| 21:41.10 | rsimpkins | It doesn't look like it according to the docs though. |
| 21:41.21 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: xinetd or normal daemon? |
| 21:41.25 | TimRiker | you running on hardware that supports it? |
| 21:41.52 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: We are strongly considering a dozen or so HP Superdomes. |
| 21:42.06 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: Want a job? :) |
| 21:42.42 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: normal daemon |
| 21:42.44 | rsimpkins | Of course, to get to a dozen I've got to start with one. |
| 21:42.51 | TimRiker | hmm. not sure on the superdomes. irrc they have a virtualization layer that could actually hide that from the linux kernel. |
| 21:43.22 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: Yeah, I'm hearing no from HP -- but these things have a way of moving quickly. |
| 21:43.52 | TimRiker | rsimpkins: well, I have a job, but I have an open mind. :) http://rikers.org/resume.html |
| 21:44.00 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: Hrm, mind pastebin'ing your config? |
| 21:44.10 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: Are you refering to the HP VSE stuff? |
| 21:44.35 | TimRiker | not up on the latest hp acronyms. that might be it. |
| 21:44.37 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Sure... but honestly, the configs haven't changed... the only thing that's changed has been to restart this box |
| 21:45.12 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: Maybe vsftpd version got bumped? |
| 21:45.16 | ^Migs^ | I HATE THESE TEN HOUR DAYS |
| 21:45.17 | TimRiker | the ia64 boxes I had it working on had no hypervisor. the kernel was talking to the real hardware. |
| 21:45.27 | TimRiker | ^Migs^: only 10?!? |
| 21:45.32 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Possible :-) |
| 21:45.38 | elg | anyone know of a tool that will take HTML input and spit out all the URLs? |
| 21:45.52 | TimRiker | elg: lynx --dump iirc. |
| 21:45.53 | Tene | TimRiker: did you try moving the cpu in and out repeatedly and quickly to see if it crashed? |
| 21:45.54 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 21:46.03 | ^Migs^ | I used to do 13. Don't ask me how I managed that. |
| 21:46.04 | findlay | grep links file.html |
| 21:46.07 | ^Migs^ | that was years ago |
| 21:46.08 | goozbach | elg: HTML::Parser |
| 21:46.13 | Tene | elg: mutt's urlview will do it |
| 21:46.15 | goozbach | and build your own :) |
| 21:46.23 | TimRiker | Tene: yes. it would crash. had to wait for the light to go on and off first. |
| 21:46.26 | goozbach | there's also a urlextractor |
| 21:46.36 | findlay | elg: mech-dump --links |
| 21:46.49 | sjansen | mheath: You misunderstand. We all support the troops because Vietnam taught us that the troops deserved to be supported and _we're_ too smart to repeat Vietnam. |
| 21:47.03 | sjansen | At least publically. |
| 21:47.05 | mheath | sjansen: Huh? |
| 21:47.26 | TimRiker | Tene: procedure was: flip the "remove this board" switch. wait for the light to go out. then pull the board. |
| 21:47.33 | sjansen | But deep inside, we all know that anyone who would join the military is either (a) insane (b) stupid or (c) stupid and insane. |
| 21:47.33 | mheath | When did I say anything about not supporting or supporting troops? |
| 21:47.38 | TimRiker | same procedure for the hot-swap pci slots. |
| 21:47.49 | goozbach | elg: http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/HTML-SimpleLinkExtor-1.17/lib/SimpleLinkExtor.pm |
| 21:47.50 | sjansen | If they didn't start that way, a stupid insane recruit will destroy their soul. |
| 21:48.12 | sjansen | So, obviously, the recruiters must be stopped. |
| 21:48.25 | TimRiker | some broken hardware would lock pages in upper memory and then the light would never go out. we found a fixed a few of those. |
| 21:48.25 | sjansen | We support the troops, we just don't support the military or anyone in the military. |
| 21:48.31 | mheath | oh, thank god your being sarcastic. I thought for a second you were being serious |
| 21:48.34 | mheath | I was worried. |
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| 21:48.53 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: Any logs showing if vsftpd was version bumped? |
| 21:48.55 | sjansen | 'Cause not supporting the troops in unpatrioitic. But supporting members of the military advances the military industrial complex and kills kittens. |
| 21:49.10 | sjansen | mheath: You see? It's all very straight forward when you think about it logically. |
| 21:49.15 | mheath | Indeed |
| 21:49.31 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Nope... version not bumped |
| 21:49.43 | mheath | ~lart Cindy Sheehan |
| 21:49.43 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Cindy Sheehan's direction, hitting Cindy Sheehan and sending Cindy Sheehan flying into the closet |
| 21:49.59 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: Anything else that might have been bumped between before you rebooted and the time you rebooted? |
| 21:50.36 | mheath | So many messed up liberals screw up everything for the vast majority of fair minded, intelligent, decent liberal people out there. |
| 21:51.00 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Turns out it might be problems with the hard drive :-( |
| 21:51.05 | Tene | mheath: why did you include "liberal" in that statement. |
| 21:51.13 | Tene | s/liberal/human/ |
| 21:51.18 | Tene | erm |
| 21:51.23 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:51.25 | findlay | oh man. I'm so dumb |
| 21:51.26 | Tene | >< |
| 21:51.27 | mheath | 15:45 < ^Migs^> I HATE THESE TEN HOUR DAYS |
| 21:51.31 | mheath | haha |
| 21:51.33 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: Hmm. That would be weird. |
| 21:51.47 | findlay | it took me, like, 3 h to figure this out. It's so simple!! |
| 21:52.20 | mheath | boo..freakin....hoo. 10 hours? |
| 21:52.41 | findlay | ha |
| 21:52.45 | findlay | beat that |
| 21:53.01 | Tene | ~beat findlay |
| 21:53.01 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 21:53.11 | findlay | Tene: not me, that |
| 21:53.13 | findlay | ~beat that |
| 21:53.14 | ibot | ACTION beats that with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 21:53.14 | mheath | findlay: I worked more than that when I was in Charleston |
| 21:53.42 | ^Migs^ | I sleep 8-10 h a day 6 days a week. |
| 21:54.02 | findlay | because that's how long it takes you to get through a Charleston Chew, ha ha |
| 21:54.09 | ^Migs^ | man |
| 21:54.16 | mheath | Typical day: up at 0500, in class by 0600, stay in class until 1600, go eat dinner and be back by 1700, stay in studying until at least 2000 |
| 21:54.18 | ^Migs^ | NO ONE understands how miserable it is to work 10 hours a day like I have to |
| 21:54.35 | ^Migs^ | everyone else has it so easy |
| 21:54.46 | Tene | mheath: ignore migs. he's a worthless troll. |
| 21:54.55 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 21:54.59 | ^Migs^ | troll, sure. But worthless? |
| 21:55.06 | Tene | To me, at least. |
| 21:55.10 | findlay | ~Tene ^Migs^ |
| 21:55.11 | ^Migs^ | ouch |
| 21:55.19 | ^Migs^ | that was uncalled for |
| 21:55.23 | findlay | ~migs Tene |
| 21:55.24 | ibot | ACTION forces Tene to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:56.53 | mheath | ~lessen ^Migs^ |
| 21:57.07 | findlay | ~shrug Tene |
| 21:57.23 | Tene | ~findlay shrugs utah |
| 21:57.24 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps shrugs utah. |
| 21:57.52 | nick125_lappy | Brb in about 15 minutes. |
| 21:59.32 | mheath | Hmm |
| 21:59.48 | mheath | Do you think city council counts as "An elective office of the U.S. Government"? :P |
| 21:59.59 | sjansen | sure |
| 22:00.23 | Tene | Why? |
| 22:00.34 | nick125_lappy | It's not really U.S. Government, more local government. |
| 22:00.42 | sjansen | Although not broadly powerful, the city council can still make my life pretty miserable. |
| 22:01.20 | mheath | Hah. Just reading random bits on wikipedia. Apparently getting ellected to a political office coupled with my military service would make me elligible for burial and Arlington National Cemetary :P |
| 22:01.37 | Tene | s/and/in/ |
| 22:02.14 | ^Migs^ | oh cool |
| 22:02.20 | ^Migs^ | any political office? |
| 22:02.37 | ^Migs^ | or does it have to be federal? |
| 22:03.19 | rsimpkins | mheath: I thought the U.S. Goverment == federal, and != State/County/City Govm. |
| 22:03.58 | mheath | I thought that was kind of ambiguous. Thats why I asked. :) |
| 22:05.02 | rsimpkins | mheath: Congressman or Sentor mheath? Which one do you wanna be? |
| 22:05.20 | rsimpkins | Well, my mis-spellings aside. |
| 22:07.22 | mheath | Definately Seantor. |
| 22:07.28 | mheath | Vote for Heath! |
| 22:07.49 | findlay | vote for candy bar? |
| 22:07.55 | findlay | candy bars! |
| 22:07.57 | Tene | Hmm. |
| 22:08.04 | findlay | ~candy Tene |
| 22:08.24 | Tene | I'd vote for mheath over Orrin Hatch. Go run for his seat. |
| 22:32.08 | findlay | ~css |
| 22:32.09 | ibot | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ and http://www.alistapart.com/ for some great tips, or http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/ |
| 22:35.58 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@h4607a1eb.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:36.58 | findlay | ~sjansen |
| 22:36.59 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, sjansen is too important to me. |
| 22:37.09 | findlay | ~literal sjansen |
| 22:37.10 | ibot | "#utah sjansen" is "too important to me." |
| 22:37.31 | findlay | ~literal sjansen $target |
| 22:37.32 | ibot | ACTION tells $target good things about sjansen |
| 22:37.37 | findlay | hm |
| 22:37.51 | sjansen | ~sjansen |
| 22:37.51 | ibot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 22:38.04 | jsmith | ~sjansen findlay |
| 22:38.05 | ibot | ACTION tells findlay good things about sjansen |
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| 22:41.39 | findlay | ~welcome levi home |
| 22:41.40 | ibot | Good to see you, levi home! |
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| 23:02.00 | findlay | how do you get vertical alignment in HTML without using a table? |
| 23:02.12 | fozzmoo | CSS |
| 23:02.15 | fozzmoo | and positioning. |
| 23:02.36 | findlay | not another black-box CSS answer :) |
| 23:04.42 | Lakshmi | hi findlay |
| 23:05.27 | findlay | hello Lakshmi |
| 23:05.36 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 23:05.41 | findlay | nothing |
| 23:05.56 | Lakshmi | not even the sky? |
| 23:06.03 | findlay | nope |
| 23:06.25 | Lakshmi | why not? |
| 23:07.09 | findlay | up is an arbitrary convention |
| 23:09.40 | Lakshmi | huh? |
| 23:09.49 | findlay | ~wiki up |
| 23:23.25 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 23:24.06 | findlay | ~ø |
| 23:34.45 | elg | huh. the ancient egyptians multiplied by "repeated doubling and adding", i.e. they worked in powers of 2 |
| 23:35.52 | findlay | that's crazy |
| 23:36.35 | elg | i.e. 13x17 = 1x17 + 4x17 + 8x17 |
| 23:38.01 | elg | and they had a concept of fractions, but they only worked with "unit fractions" |
| 23:38.06 | elg | where the numerator was 1 |
| 23:38.23 | elg | except they also had 2/3, which was its own independent fraction |
| 23:41.13 | levi | Those wacky Egyptians. |
| 23:42.23 | findlay | yeah, no wonder they didn't come up with any advanced mathematics |
| 23:45.09 | elg | here's some more trivia. the word degree comes from greek µoιρα, translated to arabic daraja (step on ladder), latin de gradus, then morphing to degree |
| 23:45.41 | elg | minute/second comes from "pars minua prima" and "pars minuta secunda" - the "first small part" and the "second small part" |
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| 23:56.54 | mheath | elg: We really only have a concept of "unit fractions" too. |
| 23:57.05 | mheath | 2/8th is just two 1/8ths. |
| 23:57.06 | mheath | :) |
| 23:57.33 | findlay | ~2/8 mheath |
| 23:57.33 | mheath | You can't try to 'translate' mathematical understanding |