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| 00:16.57 | Tene | yay |
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| 01:21.57 | brac | x-plane linux joystick: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/06/02/joystick-hat-in-x-plane-in-linux |
| 01:31.59 | elg | well my inaugural brick oven pizza was a semisuccess |
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| 02:45.27 | graphyx | anyone know redbeards email address or phone number? |
| 02:45.39 | Tene | redbeard@red.beard |
| 02:45.47 | Sargun | red.beard.com? |
| 02:46.10 | Tene | no, just red.beard. If I had said red.beard.com, someone might have taken me seriously. |
| 02:46.19 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:55.54 | Sargun | red@beard.com |
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| 03:06.13 | elg | how did this guy get beard.com? he looks like a tchnophobe |
| 03:06.20 | elg | granted, I have no evidence to support that |
| 04:06.12 | mheath | http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/06/17/illegal.deportation.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories |
| 04:06.14 | brac | [Mom: Missing mentally disabled son, illegally deported - CNN.com] |
| 04:06.17 | mheath | WTF? |
| 04:06.32 | mheath | So, despite teh fact that they have a birth certificate for this guy...and that he was born in the USA... |
| 04:07.00 | mheath | Homeland security still says "Uh, we still think he's illegal so we were RIGHT in deporting him!" |
| 04:07.07 | mheath | WTF? Thats so scary. |
| 04:40.38 | bonez39 | elg, why just semi successful? What could have been improved? |
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| 12:18.34 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/after_5_years_in_u_s_terrorist?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
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| 12:52.32 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/after_5_years_in_u_s_terrorist?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 12:54.39 | goozbach | WooT! |
| 12:54.46 | goozbach | I got the job in the ATL |
| 12:58.34 | goozbach | Sr Sys-Admin, $85k, full benifits |
| 12:58.40 | goozbach | yay! |
| 12:59.33 | ^Migs^ | niiiiiiiiiiice |
| 12:59.35 | ^Migs^ | congrats |
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| 13:37.10 | brac | x-plane linux joystick: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/06/02/joystick-hat-in-x-plane-in-linux |
| 13:41.16 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
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| 13:55.56 | Sargun | I'm connecting through a satelitte! |
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| 15:06.30 | redbeard2 | how reliable is an ipod video in connecting to a linux box? |
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| 15:15.33 | redbeard2 | ~lart neybar |
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| 15:33.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1844303620070618 |
| 15:49.43 | maquis | redbeard2: quite reliable, ime |
| 15:50.14 | maquis | even more reliable if you ditch the apple firmware, but it works reasonably well either way |
| 15:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^Migs^, people are retarded? (@ your link) |
| 15:52.49 | ^Migs^ | yeah, not sure what that kid was thinking |
| 15:53.14 | ^Migs^ | why not go to the administrator instead and demand the grades be wiped? |
| 15:53.42 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1628272520070618?feedType=RSS |
| 15:53.48 | ^Migs^ | this is brilliant. "Let's preserve a car by burying it!" |
| 15:53.50 | elg | he was about to fail a year of school. might not be the sharpest kid on the block |
| 15:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's his logic that gets to me |
| 15:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | "No report cards = no failing grades!" |
| 15:55.49 | ^Migs^ | haha right |
| 15:56.06 | redbeard2 | maquis: you have an ipod video, don't you? |
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| 15:57.47 | maquis | redbeard2: yes |
| 15:58.02 | maquis | that's why i answered your question :) |
| 15:58.35 | redbeard2 | maquis: what software do you use? |
| 15:58.49 | maquis | redbeard2: currently, rockbox |
| 15:59.02 | maquis | still waiting for ipodlinux to support the 5.5 generation ipods |
| 16:00.11 | levi | ^Migs^: Later in the article, we see the utter folly of bank savings accounts, too. |
| 16:00.18 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 16:00.22 | ^Migs^ | $100 appreciated to $1000 |
| 16:00.30 | levi | What an investment! |
| 16:00.34 | ^Migs^ | it's funny how this whole thing was a contest |
| 16:00.50 | ^Migs^ | just think, someone waited 50 years to win the savings account and a destroyed car |
| 16:01.21 | levi | Well, they shouldn't have to spend too much of the $1000 to get the hunk of junk they now own towed to a junkyard... |
| 16:01.23 | redbeard2 | maquis: let me rephrase.. since i'm going to be using the apple firmware, which software should i use? |
| 16:01.41 | maquis | redbeard2: oh.. you mean for that side? gtkpod is pretty good |
| 16:02.05 | redbeard2 | maquis: what do i need to have installed to encode the videos? |
| 16:02.11 | levi | redbeard2: There's probably something that just works if you plug your iPod in to any recent distro. |
| 16:03.10 | levi | I'm not sure about the videos. |
| 16:03.18 | redbeard2 | levi: i would like to think so, but i've been bit before |
| 16:03.22 | levi | I don't have a video ipod, just a nano. |
| 16:03.38 | levi | Something fired up automatically and worked correctly when I plugged my nano in. |
| 16:03.42 | levi | on Ubuntu. |
| 16:03.49 | redbeard2 | my wife has an ipod mini that works reasonably well with ubuntu, but i'm more concerned about video |
| 16:04.16 | elg | pity it isn't just a usb mass storage device |
| 16:04.21 | levi | I know there are open source tools that will work for you, I just don't know which ones. |
| 16:04.22 | elg | that'd be the sane way to do it |
| 16:04.37 | redbeard2 | yeah, rhythmbox opens automatically when i plug in her ipod. i close it and open gtkpod instead |
| 16:04.48 | redbeard2 | elg: it works just find as a usb mass storage device |
| 16:04.53 | redbeard2 | s/find/fine/ |
| 16:05.04 | elg | so what's the problem? put your videos on it and play them |
| 16:05.21 | redbeard2 | elg: i tried that with my mp3's and it didn't work. |
| 16:05.33 | elg | so it doesn't actually *work* as a usb mass storage device |
| 16:05.42 | levi | It works fine as a mass storage device. |
| 16:05.44 | elg | it doubles as one in a relatively useless way |
| 16:05.45 | redbeard2 | it works fine as a usb mass storage device. |
| 16:05.53 | maquis | redbeard2: i haven't worked that much with the videos, but i did find a couple things online, most of which didn't actually work |
| 16:05.55 | redbeard2 | elg: correct |
| 16:05.59 | elg | ambiguous grammar |
| 16:06.17 | levi | What part of 'usb mass storage device' implies playing mp3s? |
| 16:06.20 | maquis | redbeard2: it works as a usb mass storage device and even can be used as an mp3 player by just copying the files on if you stick rockbox on it |
| 16:06.28 | elg | it doesn't *work* in the sense of *work* that applies to what the device is intended to do. it does *work* if you pretend it's a jump drive |
| 16:06.33 | elg | a rather expensive jump drive :) |
| 16:07.08 | redbeard2 | elg: if you use the device exactly as intended (i.e. not in linux), it works exactly as intended |
| 16:07.11 | levi | elg: You said 'pity it isn't just a usb mass storage device', which has no implication of playing music whatsoever. |
| 16:07.15 | elg | my mp3 player does work this way. I put mp3s, oggs, etc. on it through mass storage and it plays them |
| 16:07.26 | maquis | my ipod works that way :) |
| 16:07.29 | elg | of course it does levi |
| 16:07.44 | elg | I wouldn't say "pity it's not just a $5k jump drive" |
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| 16:09.09 | elg | maquis: because you have a different firmware, right? you cheated, by changing the rules :) |
| 16:09.18 | levi | Well, you can insist that you said what you meant if you want, but the words you used were easily interpretable otherwise. |
| 16:09.21 | maquis | elg: but i made it so much better |
| 16:09.48 | levi | I like my ipods just fine the way they are. |
| 16:09.51 | elg | you can insist i meant something completely nonsensical if you want, but my words were easily interpreted correctly |
| 16:10.11 | elg | maquis: exactly. always consider breaking the rules :) |
| 16:10.25 | maquis | elg: i'm not very good at following rules |
| 16:10.27 | maquis | :) |
| 16:10.32 | maquis | hmmm... that's not very nice |
| 16:11.00 | maquis | apparently windvd insists on taking up a full screen if it is used on a machine with 2 monitors... |
| 16:11.14 | maquis | i just want to have it in a small window that i can minimize on the machine |
| 16:11.22 | maquis | because i just want to listen to it... not watch... |
| 16:11.45 | levi | redbeard2: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/08/30/ipod-video-howto |
| 16:11.53 | maquis | redbeard2: i tried to give you a reasonable answer... i use gtkpod, and there are some places online you can find out how to convert the videos |
| 16:11.59 | maquis | i just haven't had the best of luck with their methods |
| 16:12.07 | levi | (I found that in about 10 seconds with google) |
| 16:13.30 | levi | There's a link at the bottom of that page to a newer version. |
| 16:18.37 | maquis | hrm... |
| 16:18.41 | maquis | i don't want this full-screen |
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| 16:25.36 | fozzmoo | cridrferi: HI! |
| 16:28.00 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/single_bee_sends_gathering_of |
| 16:28.09 | ^Migs^ | DALLAS—A western honeybee measuring barely one-quarter of an inch in length and weighing approximately .03 ounces triggered panic among a gathering of six fully-grown Homo sapiens during a picnic at Davis Park on Monday, witnesses reported. |
| 16:28.18 | ^Migs^ | The college-educated humans, all of whom are not allergic to bee-sting venom and possess both cerebral and muscular capacities several orders of magnitude beyond that of the insect, proceeded to retreat in abject fright from its half-millimeter stinger, which, when used, causes a twinge of discomfort followed by mild irritation and kills the bee. |
| 16:28.19 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
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| 16:48.31 | ^Migs^ | Tom Cruise has attained the highest level one can reach in Scientology, and apparently that gives him the power to perform marriages inside the church. |
| 16:48.35 | ^Migs^ | how do you level up in Scientology anyway? |
| 16:49.17 | jsmith | I could speculate, but I'd probably be wrong |
| 16:50.03 | levi | ^Migs^: From what I understand, it involves lots of money. |
| 16:50.18 | ^Migs^ | o rly? |
| 16:50.25 | Jayce^ | whole lots of money |
| 16:52.10 | jsmith | I've heard the same, but that's like trusting a member of religion A to tell you the truth about religion B. |
| 16:52.47 | jsmith | Personally, I'd rather learn about religion B from a member of religion B. |
| 16:52.52 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 16:55.52 | jsmith | elg: Good luck w/ that :-) |
| 16:56.10 | levi | In the case of Scientology, I can't say I agree. |
| 16:58.14 | Jayce^ | jsmith, I agree overall, but I grew up in old L.Rons hometown and had repeated pushes.. dianetics etc have some interesting practices.. |
| 16:59.52 | fozzmoo | I think the highest level is when they transplant a parasite alien into your body. |
| 17:00.01 | Jayce^ | thetan |
| 17:00.05 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:00.32 | fozzmoo | California turns down Clint Eastwood bid for golf course... |
| 17:00.38 | fozzmoo | I wonder if he gave them "the eye." |
| 17:00.43 | jsmith | Jayce^: I've heard the same rumors from others... on the other hand, I'm sure people would chalk some of my beliefs up as "some interesting practices", especially if they didn't have any frame of reference. |
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| 17:02.36 | fozzmoo | Oh cut the crap. Scientology is just weird. |
| 17:03.18 | fozzmoo | But, in Hollywood, it's also hip. |
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| 17:16.25 | ^Migs^ | maybe if Romney gets elected, it'll be "hip" to be Mormon in Washington D.C. |
| 17:17.12 | ^Migs^ | http://tinyurl.com/yq8onw |
| 17:17.46 | mheath | nice |
| 17:17.55 | mheath | heh, Slashdot posted a thing about Michael Moore |
| 17:18.04 | mheath | and now theres a retarded debate on there on if he lies or doesn't lie |
| 17:18.43 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 17:18.49 | mheath | I hate Michael Moore. He makes my blood boil. |
| 17:18.58 | mheath | And I am, myself, considered very liberal usually. |
| 17:19.28 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/half_of_nation_outraged_at?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 17:19.35 | ^Migs^ | nice commentary on Michael Moore |
| 17:19.42 | mheath | bah, what is that from?! "It is not only possible, it is essential!" |
| 17:19.46 | mheath | I know its in Dr. Strangelove |
| 17:20.22 | mheath | But I was always under the impression that was taking it / satirizing it from something else |
| 17:20.31 | mheath | ^Migs^: My favorite lie is still the missile crap in Bowling for Columbine |
| 17:20.55 | ^Migs^ | i haven't even seen any of his movies |
| 17:21.09 | ^Migs^ | I saw some of the last one, whatever it was called, when it was on TV |
| 17:21.33 | ^Migs^ | it's just your typical deceitful propaganda. It's strange that he's received so much mainstream attention |
| 17:21.51 | ^Migs^ | usually stuff like this gains a good strong cult following, but nothing to write home about |
| 17:21.54 | mheath | ^Migs^: in Bowling for Columbine, he visits a Lockhed Martin facility in Littleton, Colorado.. |
| 17:22.17 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.33 | ^Migs^ | lol wtf? |
| 17:22.43 | mheath | When my dad was in the Air Force, a lot of his work was working with missile manufacturing contractractors |
| 17:22.49 | mheath | He personally visited this exact facility many times |
| 17:23.00 | mheath | And was able to identify the unfinished missile in the background of some of the interviews |
| 17:23.23 | mheath | That facility manufacturers missiles used for launching harmless communication sattelites. |
| 17:23.33 | ^Migs^ | hahahahahahaha |
| 17:24.07 | ^Migs^ | like I said, typical propaganda full of lies and half-truths |
| 17:24.09 | mheath | Another thing that annoys me: |
| 17:24.19 | mheath | NRA came to Denver shortly after Columbine |
| 17:24.21 | ^Migs^ | nothing new, but ignorant people still manage to fall for it |
| 17:24.34 | mheath | And to make them seem so horrible, he splices together bits of two different speeches from Heston |
| 17:24.35 | ^Migs^ | since most can't be bothered with or are unequipped to do the research themselves |
| 17:24.43 | mheath | The facts: |
| 17:24.55 | mheath | A) The NRA massively subdued its convention events in respect for the incident |
| 17:25.17 | ^Migs^ | I'll have to see Bowling for Columbine |
| 17:25.29 | mheath | B) Yes, Heston did mention in his speech that, while he felt respect for the victims, he thought it was wrong for people ask them to outright not come at all, when this was a major event |
| 17:25.39 | mheath | With what Michael Moore spliced in, though |
| 17:26.13 | mheath | It paints Heston as this villinous person who seems intent on spitting the int he faces of the Columbine victims, and organizing his event to be the biggest and greatets NRA conference no matter what they thing |
| 17:26.26 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 17:26.31 | ^Migs^ | how funny |
| 17:26.41 | ^Migs^ | well, it would be funny if it weren't so maliciously deceitful |
| 17:26.43 | mheath | Its so sad, though.. |
| 17:26.50 | mheath | Most of the basic issues Moore covers are things I agree with |
| 17:27.07 | mheath | I would _love_ a good, unbiased documentary on Gun Control, or on the aftermath of 9/11 |
| 17:27.16 | mheath | And, like his newest film, on how messed up healthcare is |
| 17:27.27 | mheath | But he just does such a horrible job |
| 17:27.30 | mheath | And bends the truth |
| 17:27.35 | mheath | WHY does he bend the truth? |
| 17:27.46 | mheath | Those things ARE messed up! Theres so much to uncover without lieing like that |
| 17:27.48 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 17:28.09 | ^Migs^ | he's really nothing unusual |
| 17:30.14 | mheath | Democratic/liberal filmmakers in general |
| 17:30.28 | mheath | They take a good topic where theres a lot of genuine things to cover |
| 17:30.38 | mheath | And twist it into something so discredible everyone mocks it |
| 17:32.43 | mheath | ^Hmm |
| 17:32.57 | mheath | Does anyone happen to know if Windows XP drivers are generally reverse compatible with Windows 2000? |
| 18:10.09 | Supaplex | mheath: xp can generally use win2k drivers |
| 18:10.48 | mheath | looking for the opposite |
| 18:10.53 | mheath | Can Win2k use drivers made for XP |
| 18:10.54 | Supaplex | nope. |
| 18:11.05 | mheath | bah :( |
| 18:13.14 | Jayce^ | wow, bear attack on the timpooneke trail.. just was there this weekend.. |
| 18:15.28 | levi | Yow. |
| 18:23.56 | elg | did you take harleypig with you? |
| 18:24.04 | elg | maybe it was a misidentification |
| 18:26.43 | mheath | bear attacks are usually people being stupid |
| 18:26.58 | mheath | Most bears don't attack people without some provocation |
| 18:27.06 | elg | harleypig otoh |
| 18:40.26 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure some bears just have bad days |
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| 19:04.21 | elg | so did anyone have any particularly amusing fathers day afflictions? |
| 19:04.49 | elg | i bet emcnabb got a tie with flashing lights on it |
| 19:05.22 | levi | I got a copy of World of Warcraft. |
| 19:05.43 | levi | I'm not sure yet if that counts as an affliction. ;) |
| 19:05.49 | elg | :) |
| 19:06.19 | elg | I got afflicted with an experimental cookie recipe. they were ok but it was essentially a failure |
| 19:06.35 | ^Migs^ | my kids didn't make me breakfast in bed or nothing, wtf |
| 19:06.47 | ^Migs^ | I got some cute father's day cards, though |
| 19:07.09 | elg | we had my inaugural oven firing |
| 19:07.13 | ^Migs^ | lazy bums |
| 19:07.20 | elg | it was also a not-quite-success |
| 19:07.26 | levi | My ward handed out... nothing for me. My family already has a copy of The Testaments, which is what was handed out for Mother's Day. |
| 19:07.41 | elg | I should have reread the bit on how to fire the oven in the book beforehand. didn't fire hot enough or long enough |
| 19:07.57 | elg | my ward handed out cookies |
| 19:08.04 | levi | I grill-smoked some chicken tenderloins. Those were pretty yummy. |
| 19:08.24 | levi | My wife also baked up some pre-mixed Nestle toll-house cookies, which turned out surprisingly well. |
| 19:08.33 | elg | all but one of the young men are at scout camp, so they announced, "Will Juan and the Young Women meet out in the foyer during the closing song." |
| 19:08.36 | levi | And we went to a neighbor's home for some milkshakes. |
| 19:08.41 | elg | that was pretty funny |
| 19:10.21 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 19:14.05 | mheath | My dad's Ward handed out...twinkies and "Dad's" rootbeer. |
| 19:14.09 | mheath | .... |
| 19:14.48 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 19:14.51 | ^Migs^ | my ward didn't even do anything either |
| 19:15.06 | elg | twinkies. now that's an enlightened ward |
| 19:15.09 | ^Migs^ | all the mothers in my ward got flowers on mothers day, though |
| 19:15.21 | ^Migs^ | what the heck? Fatherhood isn't easy like motherhood. |
| 19:17.49 | elg | the fathers in your ward are subservient spineless frogs |
| 19:17.55 | elg | that's the only explanation |
| 19:18.12 | mheath | I'm slowly falling in love with Vista =( |
| 19:18.44 | elg | the solution is the same as if you are slowly falling in love with a bad-news biker chick at a bar |
| 19:18.53 | mheath | I know theres a lot of fundamental problems with the programming in it |
| 19:19.07 | mheath | But I really love the sleek desktop integration and compatability.... |
| 19:19.40 | elg | so, here's a funny request. Anyone know of a cipher (doesn't have to be strong) that looks like gibberish but can be easily decrypted in-head by someone who knows how it works? |
| 19:20.01 | Tene | rot13 |
| 19:20.04 | elg | ideally in realtime, but in half or quarter real time would be ok too |
| 19:20.12 | mheath | elg: Simple letter substitutions are always good. |
| 19:20.18 | elg | rot13 is too hard for my poor little brain |
| 19:20.19 | Tene | rot1 |
| 19:20.56 | elg | it's the wraparound. hmm, rot1 or rot2 could work |
| 19:21.01 | Tene | the various pig-latin-ish rearranging cyphers |
| 19:21.12 | mheath | yeah |
| 19:21.17 | mheath | Pig latin :P |
| 19:21.28 | mheath | thats rather apparenty to everyone except small children though. |
| 19:21.53 | elg | ah, maybe an anagram cipher |
| 19:21.55 | elg | "cipher" |
| 19:22.04 | elg | wouldn't be necessarily computer-decryptable |
| 19:22.07 | Tene | well, there are similar things that aren't quite as obvious |
| 19:22.13 | mheath | Hmm. Does anyone know what the activate-over-the-phone procedure for Vista is like? |
| 19:22.27 | elg | probably like pulling teeth |
| 19:22.29 | mheath | After a reinstall, my laptop is now failing to activate |
| 19:22.35 | elg | or having teeth pulled, rather |
| 19:23.16 | elg | sounds like your girlfriend is giving you the cold shoulder |
| 19:23.32 | mheath | elg: Give me a break. |
| 19:23.35 | mheath | I'm starting college soon |
| 19:23.43 | mheath | Computer Science major at WSU |
| 19:23.48 | mheath | I need a Windows machine |
| 19:23.56 | nick125_lappy | I had to do it once for a friend, it wasn't too hard. |
| 19:23.57 | mheath | Not a Linux machine to tinker with, that doesn't work with my printer or half my hardware |
| 19:24.04 | elg | that's a joke |
| 19:24.14 | mheath | nick125_lappy: XP was odd |
| 19:24.19 | mheath | I used to work in a computer sales shop |
| 19:24.26 | elg | I made it through 6 years of computer science college education now without a windows machine |
| 19:24.28 | mheath | We did lifetime support, so we often had to reinstall XP on older machines |
| 19:24.47 | mheath | Every time there, even if it was after a lot of reinstalls, or massive changes in hardware, the phone based thing was always all auto |
| 19:24.51 | mheath | never even had to talk to a real person |
| 19:25.06 | mheath | But when I had to activate XP like that for my home machine, it caused a lot of problems. |
| 19:25.55 | mheath | elg: At a Windows-centric university like WSU? |
| 19:25.55 | nick125_lappy | Last time I did it (for a friend, I wouldn't use windows here), I had to speak to a human, mainly because their IVR sucked. |
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| 19:26.19 | mheath | I know Windows has a lot of programming problems |
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| 19:26.47 | mheath | But, no where in the Linux world can you get a complete desktop that is designed, every part of it, to be a polished and finished desktop product. |
| 19:27.45 | Tene | and you can with windows? |
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| 19:27.50 | Tene | I've certainly never seen it. |
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| 19:29.47 | elg | nor I |
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| 19:31.09 | elg | but he's falling in love you remember |
| 19:31.11 | ^Migs^ | I got mad at it over the weekend weekend |
| 19:31.11 | ^Migs^ | s/weekend weekend/weekend/ |
| 19:31.13 | elg | i thought you were going to the U? |
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| 19:31.14 | elg | computer science isn't about windows. any CS program that thrusts windows upon its students like a rusty javelin, I would be leery of. and I know there are lots of them. I know nothing about WSU's program |
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| 19:33.36 | elg | likewise CS isn't about java, eclipse, c++, visual studio, or gcc and vim/emacs |
| 19:35.58 | mheath | elg: Who said I was going to the U? |
| 19:36.13 | elg | you I thought, but i must not have been paying close enough attention |
| 19:36.17 | mheath | I kinda had plans to go there, ages ago, before I got into the Navy. |
| 19:36.47 | mheath | My sister in law is trying to convince me to minor in mathematics -.- |
| 19:37.04 | mheath | Going into secondaryt education |
| 19:37.14 | mheath | She said a minor in mathematics greatly increases your job security |
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| 19:38.28 | levi | Maybe if you're going into secondary education. |
| 19:38.51 | levi | A minor in mathematics would probably be a good idea if you want to go into certain areas of CS. |
| 19:39.06 | levi | And not a bad idea in any case, unless it directly conflicted with some other goal. |
| 19:39.08 | mheath | I am going into secondary education |
| 19:39.11 | mheath | I still major in CS |
| 19:39.20 | mheath | secondary education is just a licensure |
| 19:39.44 | mheath | a semester of teaching classes, a semester of student teaching. |
| 19:40.13 | levi | Anyway, minoring in math is not a bad idea. |
| 19:40.27 | levi | Going into secondary education, on the other hand... ;) |
| 19:40.34 | mheath | Meh. |
| 19:43.18 | levi | Not so much a bad idea as one that's not likely to make you a lot of money, which could be just fine if you're okay with that. |
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| 19:44.32 | levi | On the other hand, you can apparently make a good chunk of cash in real estate if you participate in that 'teacher next door' program. |
| 19:45.26 | findlay | levi: why don't they just pay the teachers more? |
| 19:45.58 | mheath | levi: I will have plenty of money later in life, regardless. I am OK with living OK right now :) |
| 19:45.59 | levi | Beats me. |
| 19:47.26 | Tene | so... |
| 19:47.55 | Tene | my driver's license has been expired for almost a year... |
| 19:48.07 | maquis | Tene: sup? |
| 19:48.19 | Tene | is the DMV going to make me re-take tests and such? |
| 19:48.33 | findlay | Tene: possibly |
| 19:48.39 | Tene | just hanging out at the DMV, maquis. |
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| 19:56.12 | mheath | psh |
| 19:56.21 | mheath | credit card rewards programs are a joke |
| 19:56.46 | mheath | I was like "Cool, put my computer on my credit card, I've earned some points....maybe I can go get something for free" |
| 19:57.03 | mheath | YOu need to buy $1,500 worth of free stuff to get a magazine subscription |
| 19:57.52 | nick125_lappy | Hahaha |
| 19:58.07 | nick125_lappy | In the interest they charge you, you probably could buy quite a few magazine subscriptions. |
| 19:58.08 | findlay | ~BUY mheath |
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| 20:02.17 | goozbach | fozzmoo: ping |
| 20:02.44 | fozzmoo | goozbach: pong |
| 20:03.19 | elg | maybe I should eat lunch |
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| 20:05.17 | rsimpkins | If brunch is the meal between breakfast and lunch, what do they call the mean between lunch and dinner? lunner? |
| 20:05.31 | ti`ocpi | a "snack" |
| 20:07.45 | elg | dunch |
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| 20:10.23 | mheath | nick125_lappy: Not a good credit card. |
| 20:10.32 | mheath | This isn't a free offer in the mail |
| 20:10.49 | mheath | This is a good credit card with a good credit union I was already a member of. |
| 20:11.02 | mheath | I'm really confused now |
| 20:11.08 | mheath | About college =\ |
| 20:11.36 | mheath | My sister in law works at weber state, and she gave me the number of the secondary education academic advisor. |
| 20:11.51 | mheath | This advisor informed me that weber state does not have a computer science teaching major. |
| 20:11.56 | mheath | Only a minor. |
| 20:13.19 | mheath | But, I thought that you were able to major in the categories you usually can major in |
| 20:13.29 | mheath | And that the teacher licensure was just kind of an 'add on' to taht |
| 20:15.05 | levi | Most of the teachers I know majored in education. Though my favorite high school teacher had a Ph.D in classical studies. |
| 20:16.19 | mheath | Teaching majors they have are Art, Biology, Business Education, Chemistry, Communication, Earth Science, English, Geography, History, Journalism, Mathematics, PE, Physical Science, Physics, Political Science, Psychology, Social Science, Sociology, Theatre Arts |
| 20:16.25 | mheath | levi: Thats not...an option. |
| 20:17.59 | levi | There's really not a lot of computer science teaching to do in high school right now, so it's not terribly surprising that there aren't a lot of programs to teach how to do it. |
| 20:19.01 | mheath | levi: I've been told that there is a shortage of CS teachers. |
| 20:19.09 | findlay | ~teach mheath |
| 20:19.54 | levi | Hmm. I guess there are more CS classes in high school now than there used to be. |
| 20:21.02 | levi | I don't really have any suggestions for you, aside from maybe doing math education with the cs education minor and possibly a math minor as well. But given your past experience with math... I dunno. |
| 20:22.20 | ^Migs^ | there's a ton of CS classes in HS, levi |
| 20:22.33 | ^Migs^ | things have changed drastically since the 90s |
| 20:22.39 | levi | I guess so. |
| 20:22.56 | findlay | and there's a ton of leptons somewhere |
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| 20:23.15 | ^Migs^ | even some of our junior highs have CS classes |
| 20:23.39 | ^Migs^ | wtf are classical studies, btw? |
| 20:23.56 | levi | Studying ancient Greece and Rome. |
| 20:24.07 | ^Migs^ | oh cool |
| 20:24.14 | levi | He was my Latin teacher. |
| 20:24.37 | levi | I took Latin as my foreign language because he was supposed to be the best foreign language teacher. |
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| 20:30.44 | ^Migs^ | and was he? |
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| 20:31.27 | levi | Well, I didn't take classes from any of the other foreign language teachers, but I really enjoyed his classes. |
| 20:31.43 | ^Migs^ | I had a German teacher like that |
| 20:31.52 | ^Migs^ | maybe he wasn't the "best" but he was pretty awesome |
| 20:32.16 | ^Migs^ | I only wish I could've retained all the German I learned |
| 20:32.20 | ^Migs^ | I remember much of it, but not all |
| 20:33.04 | levi | I don't remember a lot of my Latin, but enough that I generally recognize Latin root words and such and remember what all the standard Latin abbreviations mean. |
| 20:33.23 | ^Migs^ | I wish I knew Latin |
| 20:33.43 | findlay | http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/www/misc/Das_Blinkenlights.gif |
| 20:33.44 | mheath | bah |
| 20:34.51 | ^Migs^ | wow that's career suicide |
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| 20:34.55 | ^Migs^ | what are you planning on doing with that major? |
| 20:35.08 | levi | He already said he wants to teach high school. |
| 20:35.08 | ^Migs^ | I went through a period where I was in denial about what I would do, too |
| 20:35.26 | mheath | Teach high school |
| 20:35.27 | ^Migs^ | I went through being a music major, theatre major, anthropology major |
| 20:35.35 | mheath | But I'm aiming to teach highschool Computer Science |
| 20:35.39 | maquis | mheath: any science subjects you really enjoy? |
| 20:35.54 | ^Migs^ | why not get a C.S. degree then + a teaching certificate? |
| 20:36.02 | mheath | The only thing is, they only have a CS teaching _minor_. So I have to pick a teaching major they have... |
| 20:36.09 | maquis | if you went into a high school science teaching major, it'd be easier to double-major between that and CS |
| 20:36.14 | ^Migs^ | you're not stuck attending Weber State, are you? |
| 20:36.27 | ^Migs^ | maquis has a good idea |
| 20:36.33 | mheath | maquis: Not...really. I loved my electrical stuff. And physics wasn't bad... |
| 20:36.47 | maquis | and the students/teachers would take you more seriously as a CS teacher if your other subject is math/science-related |
| 20:36.50 | mheath | Botany/biologyt and Chemisty, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. |
| 20:37.01 | maquis | mheath: is there a physics-teaching major? |
| 20:37.07 | mheath | Yes. |
| 20:37.21 | ^Migs^ | haha I loved chemistry but SUCKED at it |
| 20:37.33 | maquis | that might be an option... or a regular CS major, and get the teaching certificate separately like ^Migs^ was saying |
| 20:37.33 | ^Migs^ | yeah keep it in the sciences |
| 20:37.40 | ^Migs^ | "political science" isn't science, btw |
| 20:37.41 | mheath | You can do that? |
| 20:37.45 | mheath | I'm so confused about this process. |
| 20:37.47 | maquis | mheath: i believe so |
| 20:37.55 | maquis | for high school, at least |
| 20:38.28 | ^Migs^ | mheath: http://www.wgu.edu/education/teacher_certification.asp |
| 20:38.28 | mheath | I thought I understood, but things kinda got turned upside down on me when I found out there was no CS teaching major. |
| 20:38.29 | levi | Well, my Classical Studies Ph.D. teacher certainly didn't major in a teaching degree. |
| 20:38.29 | ^Migs^ | completely online licensure programs, and WGU is REALLY inexpensive |
| 20:38.43 | ^Migs^ | and it has the same accreditation as Weber State |
| 20:38.50 | ^Migs^ | it actually has both regional AND distance education |
| 20:40.01 | ^Migs^ | I'm probably going to do WGU for my masters |
| 20:41.59 | ^Migs^ | if you're not tied down by location and don't want to do the online thing, I'd really recommend just going to another school |
| 20:42.18 | mheath | I know my CS teacher in highschool went to weber |
| 20:42.25 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure Weber State is the best equipped for a science teaching degree |
| 20:42.25 | mheath | I think he must have majored in Art |
| 20:42.29 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 20:42.32 | mheath | Because he did desktop publishing, and yearbook, etc. too |
| 20:43.01 | ^Migs^ | if you want to teach CS in high school, get a CS teaching degree |
| 20:43.28 | ^Migs^ | that's your best solution, imo. As much as I think Weber State pwns all other Utah schools, you gotta be realistic |
| 20:44.11 | mheath | Well the main reason I leaned towards WSU in the first place, is, I have a good friend who works in their teaching department. |
| 20:44.21 | mheath | She seems confused about my process, too, though |
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| 20:44.28 | mheath | She refered me to the wrong person |
| 20:51.40 | ^Migs^ | does ANYBODY know how to become a teacher? |
| 20:51.48 | ^Migs^ | it's like they crawl out of nowhere |
| 20:51.48 | findlay | I do! |
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| 20:52.33 | protocol | *yawn* what's going on everyone |
| 20:52.55 | findlay | stuff |
| 20:53.27 | protocol | sounds fun |
| 20:53.48 | findlay | yup |
| 20:55.32 | goozbach | lots of fun |
| 20:55.43 | goozbach | ^Migs^: go to work for Guru Labs? |
| 20:55.49 | goozbach | that'll make you an instructor |
| 20:56.01 | findlay | an instructor! |
| 20:56.26 | mheath | goozbach: Get me a job for Guru Labs, I won't argue. :) |
| 20:56.40 | fozzmoo | Go interview. |
| 20:56.44 | fozzmoo | Can't hurt. |
| 20:56.47 | mheath | Meh, I lack the qualificatons. |
| 20:56.52 | mheath | *qualifications |
| 20:58.04 | ^Migs^ | get a recommendation |
| 20:58.44 | mheath | I lack that, too. |
| 20:59.06 | findlay | ibot will recommend you, if you want |
| 21:00.27 | goozbach | mheath: I had no qualifications when I started |
| 21:00.33 | goozbach | just the hacker spirit |
| 21:00.34 | nick125_lappy | The entire job experience thing is "weird". It seems like a catch 22. To get experience, you need a job. To get a job, you need experience. |
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| 21:01.40 | mheath | goozbach: I still doubt I could get a job there. |
| 21:02.19 | findlay | and now goozbach is a hacker amongst hackers |
| 21:02.25 | nick125_lappy | mheath: Well, you never know until you least try it. |
| 21:04.01 | mheath | I've tried at too much in life, and failed, to be very optomistic anymore. |
| 21:09.57 | ^Migs^ | nick125, education tends to circumvent some of that catch 22. |
| 21:12.03 | mheath | go to work for Guru Labs? |
| 21:12.04 | mheath | 14:55 < goozbach> that'll make you an instructor |
| 21:12.04 | mheath | 14:56 < findlay> an instructor! |
| 21:12.11 | mheath | oops, silly mouse |
| 21:12.17 | mheath | miscopied. didn't mean to do that |
| 21:13.36 | goozbach | sure! |
| 21:14.35 | findlay | mheath'll be an instructor yet |
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| 21:16.02 | goozbach | working for the army might be cool: http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2007/06/dod_softwaretec.html |
| 21:16.08 | goozbach | s/army/dod/ |
| 21:16.15 | goozbach | s/dod/DOD/ |
| 21:16.33 | goozbach | s/army/DOD/ |
| 21:16.53 | goozbach | s/^$/this is neat/ |
| 21:17.04 | findlay | heh |
| 21:17.06 | goozbach | s/.*/this is cool/ |
| 21:17.22 | goozbach | methinks I've overclocked ibot |
| 21:17.29 | findlay | ibot: yo |
| 21:17.30 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 21:17.42 | goozbach | s/methinks.*/maybe I have/ |
| 21:17.59 | goozbach | pineapple |
| 21:18.31 | findlay | s/yo/up/ |
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| 21:18.31 | goozbach | s/pineapple/this is how I'm going to communicate from now on/ |
| 21:18.39 | goozbach | s/pineapple/this is pretty cool/ |
| 21:19.00 | goozbach | s/pineapple/\/me is bored/ |
| 21:19.38 | ^Migs^ | http://downloadfullversionpcgames.com/blog/2007/06/17/100-of-the-best-legal-full-version-games-you-can-download-online/ |
| 21:22.17 | goozbach | s/pineapple/ibot doesn't like me much/ |
| 21:22.54 | goozbach | s/pineapple/this is getting interesting\/lets throw some more \/ escaped slashes into \/ the mix/ |
| 21:23.18 | goozbach | s/pineapple/ibot doesn't like me much/ |
| 21:23.30 | goozbach | s/pineapple/interesting/ |
| 21:23.54 | goozbach | TimRiker: there's some fun edge cases you might want to look at |
| 21:24.44 | findlay | I think ibot's s///-fu is tensai's hackery |
| 21:24.55 | findlay | seems pretty limited, probably for good reason |
| 21:32.02 | Tene | s/foo/{`rm -rf /`}/ |
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| 21:36.29 | findlay | ~rm -rf Tene |
| 21:36.29 | ibot | -rf Tene is an unperson |
| 21:36.38 | findlay | ~rm-rf Tene |
| 21:36.39 | Tene | :( |
| 21:36.51 | findlay | ~unrm -rf Tene |
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| 21:44.32 | Tene | ~spell ettiquette |
| 21:45.15 | findlay | ~say I have no need for a protocol droid |
| 21:45.16 | ibot | I have no need for a protocol droid |
| 21:46.22 | mheath | Heh |
| 21:46.45 | mheath | Everyone says "try applying at Gurulabs, it won't hurt!" yet they have no info on their pgae about jobs or anything of the sort.. |
| 21:47.28 | findlay | mheath: you're already 'in'. Just ping redbeard, sjansen, or herlo |
| 21:47.39 | mheath | haha. |
| 21:50.34 | mheath | It would be a cool place to work. |
| 21:50.47 | mheath | But, nevermind. I wouldn't stand a chance of getting hired anyway. |
| 21:51.06 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.11 | ^Migs^ | because half the people in here already work there? |
| 21:51.24 | mheath | ^Migs^: Nevermind, it would be a horrible place to work. You're right. |
| 21:51.39 | ^Migs^ | I'm glad you understand |
| 21:52.54 | ^Migs^ | wait, I was going for see/speak/hear no evil, but "understand" clearly isn't one of those |
| 21:53.21 | findlay | what about taste? |
| 22:12.29 | findlay | ~karma findlay |
| 22:12.30 | ibot | findlay has karma of 3 |
| 22:17.13 | findlay | ~karma findlay |
| 22:17.13 | ibot | findlay has karma of 3 |
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| 22:33.48 | Supaplex_ | fungus: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/wan/354490194.html |
| 22:34.11 | Supaplex | brb. |
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| 22:36.33 | fungus | I don't have any dead UPS's. |
| 22:37.00 | Supaplex | ok. my batteries need a home. :) |
| 22:38.36 | klys | supaplex: buy a bunch of candy bars and use the box |
| 22:39.07 | Supaplex | I have banana boxes already, but they don't operate like a ups |
| 22:39.25 | klys | hmm, rechargeable AA ? |
| 22:39.53 | Supaplex | did you look at the post? |
| 22:40.03 | klys | oh, the classified |
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| 22:40.16 | findlay | I''ll take some recharargable banannas, thanks |
| 22:40.25 | findlay | s/''/'/ |
| 22:40.55 | Supaplex | findlay: then you want a bananna tree. |
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| 22:41.06 | findlay | I guess that's what I want |
| 22:41.43 | klys | bananas recharge nerve capacity and are stored in your muscles |
| 22:44.52 | klys | most ups systems take specially made batteries |
| 22:45.20 | Supaplex | 12v 7ah deep cycle lead acid |
| 22:45.39 | findlay | I took a ups apart once and it seemed to have standard batteries in it |
| 22:46.04 | Supaplex | the wonderful thing about standards |
| 22:47.08 | klys | I wonder how much a train box load of ups's would be worth |
| 22:47.26 | nick125_lappy | I never bothered to look at the batteries for the UPSes |
| 22:47.43 | nick125_lappy | I wonder how hard it would be to rig up a custom UPS |
| 22:48.00 | klys | no bad, compared to other types of pcb, honestly |
| 22:48.17 | nick125_lappy | With enough capacity for 3-4 computers, and least enough to keep them up for 20 minutes or so. |
| 22:48.36 | klys | do you have a wattmeter on your computer setup |
| 22:48.41 | nick125_lappy | klys: Nope. |
| 22:48.48 | findlay | a watermelon? |
| 22:49.15 | nick125_lappy | I've got a server, a desktop, and a bunch of networking equipment on two UPSes |
| 22:49.40 | klys | you'd need a transformer, a battery, a large capacitor, a bridge rectifier, a varistor, and whatever other circuitry to keep the battery doing well at charging |
| 22:50.11 | klys | and a bunch of other capacitors and stuff to make a professional circuit don't ask me how |
| 22:50.31 | nick125_lappy | I wonder what those huge datacenter-wide UPSes use |
| 22:50.57 | klys | probably, huge batteries |
| 22:50.59 | findlay | huge batteries |
| 22:51.10 | findlay | we had one that was the size of a small shed |
| 22:51.21 | findlay | many, many cells |
| 22:51.36 | klys | woo then you can stand on it and jump into someone's cubicle |
| 22:51.53 | findlay | and shock them |
| 22:51.57 | klys | bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt |
| 22:52.48 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 22:55.16 | klys | I still like the crazy string spray idea |
| 22:55.49 | nick125_lappy | klys: I mean for circuitry. |
| 22:56.37 | klys | oh, you probably want good specs on the battery first |
| 22:56.59 | mheath | Heh |
| 22:57.12 | mheath | I can't comment on what a datacenter-wide UPS uses |
| 22:57.23 | klys | sounds NDA |
| 22:57.29 | mheath | I can comment on the battery backup of a nuclear powered submarine, though :P |
| 22:57.34 | mheath | those things are neat |
| 22:57.42 | mheath | mmm |
| 22:57.43 | mheath | Wait |
| 22:57.46 | nick125_lappy | bbl |
| 22:57.46 | klys | do they recharge well |
| 22:58.08 | mheath | I think I might have just stumbled onto the first ever case of stuff that really ISN'T public knowledge and that I really SHOULDN'T be talking about. |
| 22:58.34 | Tene | mheath: you get my PM? |
| 22:58.49 | rsimpkins | nick125: http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1095803,00.html |
| 22:59.01 | mheath | Tene: Yeah. Heh, thats not very formal though. Nothing says there hiring, etc....What am I supposed to do, just send them an e-mail saying "Can I have a job?" |
| 22:59.30 | mheath | klys: Sorry, I kinda realized that perhaps that is something I shouldn't be talking about =\ |
| 22:59.49 | Tene | sjansen has been spamming for job applicatiosn in here for a while. That's what got me to send a resume in. |
| 22:59.57 | Tene | Just say "Stuart made me do it." |
| 22:59.59 | mheath | Tene: Did you get hired? |
| 23:00.00 | Tene | ;) |
| 23:00.25 | Tene | mheath: They've sent me an offer that I've agreed to, but it hasn't been signed yet. |
| 23:00.36 | mheath | Uh |
| 23:00.39 | mheath | that sounds shady-ish. :P |
| 23:01.08 | Tene | They want to hire me, but the paperwork hasn't been filled out yet. I start next week. |
| 23:01.16 | mheath | Heh |
| 23:01.38 | findlay | ~gurufy Tene |
| 23:01.46 | Tene | ~mheath findlay |
| 23:01.47 | ibot | ACTION impresses findlay into the US military. Serve your country, dang it! |
| 23:02.01 | mheath | I think I'll give them a try, but like I said, given that I have no real relevant computer experience, I doubt they'll hire me |
| 23:02.21 | Tene | Do you have any teachign experience? |
| 23:02.26 | Tene | "teaching" |
| 23:02.40 | mheath | No, not formal teaching experience, at all. |
| 23:02.51 | Tene | Then you're probably right. |
| 23:03.08 | mheath | Tene: What did you have for teaching experience? |
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| 23:04.25 | goozbach | Tene: getting gurufied? |
| 23:04.27 | Tene | mheath: I've done a little bit of tutoring before. |
| 23:04.37 | Tene | goozbach: yeah |
| 23:04.41 | goozbach | cool |
| 23:05.12 | mheath | Heh. closest thing to teaching I've done is give classes to kids as part of my volunteer work |
| 23:05.20 | mheath | Navy related topics wihle I was volunteering with the USNSCC |
| 23:05.55 | goozbach | prior to GL I had taught a total of 0(zero) classes/presentations/tutorials |
| 23:06.00 | findlay | when I 'teach' I tend to retract into fancy words and complicated explanations |
| 23:06.18 | mheath | Tene: if they're looking for teaching experience, I might not bother applying then. |
| 23:06.20 | goozbach | I could see that |
| 23:06.36 | goozbach | mheath: I just got done saying that isn't a requirement |
| 23:06.58 | Tene | goozbach: he also says that he has no real relevant computer experience. |
| 23:07.15 | Tene | If he has no technical skills and no teaching skills... |
| 23:07.26 | mheath | Correct. My only official computer experience is working for a Windows sales + support place. |
| 23:07.47 | goozbach | technical skills, bah, all you really need is the "how does this stupid thing work" mentality |
| 23:07.50 | mheath | All the rest is my own personal messing around with Linux, etc. |
| 23:08.10 | Tene | Bah, "official" |
| 23:08.16 | goozbach | and I think you've got that |
| 23:08.35 | goozbach | holy freaking crap, Zimbra takes FOREVER to install |
| 23:09.26 | mheath | goozbach: Zimbra? Seen that, looks pretty neat (minus the forever-to-install part, apparently) |
| 23:10.00 | mheath | Does anyone know of any good specifications on current IRC stuff? |
| 23:10.04 | mheath | I know theres that old RFC |
| 23:10.18 | goozbach | the "pretty neat" is why I chose to install it, I should have done it on something other than my production mail server however |
| 23:10.42 | mheath | But thats not a standard, and I know there have been a lot of minor changes and addons to it here and there. |
| 23:10.52 | Tene | mheath: there are a few RFCs that add to each other |
| 23:11.04 | goozbach | it's whining because it can't start because all the tools I'm using (postfix, sieveIMAP, etc) are still running |
| 23:11.11 | mheath | Basically what I'm looking for is something that gives me a lot of good info on basically creating an IRC client |
| 23:11.47 | Tene | mheath: perhaps look at the IRC library implementations for various languages. |
| 23:11.51 | mheath | Tene: I know that. I know very little about IRC (beyond using it :P), but Wikipedia says very few clients/servers follow those newer addon RFCs |
| 23:11.54 | Tene | or, perhaps, your language of choice? |
| 23:13.06 | mheath | Well, I found a Java library I like and may use, but I still thought I'd ask if anyone knew of any good docs / resources : |
| 23:13.24 | mheath | I'm working on my previous client idea |
| 23:13.39 | findlay | so he can h4x0r the spam b0tz3n all over the intertubez |
| 23:13.55 | mheath | Simple IRC client runs on your server, logging everything |
| 23:14.08 | mheath | Then a secondary client connects to it, and syncs the info on it to display on a GUI client. |
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| 23:14.38 | Tene | mheath: like irssi's proxy plugin? ;) |
| 23:16.33 | mheath | Tene: No, this is a secondary protocol and attractive GUI |
| 23:18.45 | mheath | Tene: That proxy thing can share your servers/channels, but not sync past conversations with accurate timestamps.. |
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| 23:47.41 | goozbach | anyone had problems with modprobe -r freezing up? |
| 23:47.50 | goozbach | how does one kill that, without rebooting? |
| 23:50.36 | mheath | goozbach: I think the only safe way to do that would be to reboot. |
| 23:51.21 | mheath | goozbach: Heh, I just realized something |
| 23:51.28 | mheath | Gurulabs people doa lot of traveling, don't they? |
| 23:51.36 | mheath | I'm not even old enough to rent a hotel room or rental car at most places. |
| 23:53.54 | goozbach | mheath: I ran into that as well when I started there |
| 23:54.06 | goozbach | I wasn't old enough to rent a car from Hertz |
| 23:56.54 | mheath | goozbach: The solution? :P |
| 23:58.10 | goozbach | mheath: I grew older |
| 23:58.16 | goozbach | or rented from other places |
| 23:58.25 | mheath | goozbach: I'm not old enough to rent from anywhere. Only 18. |
| 23:58.31 | mheath | Everywhere requires at least 21. |
| 23:58.32 | goozbach | kinda sucked when I got stranded in New Jersey, at 3am |
