| 00:02.52 | Sargun | anyone know how to make uspto's trademark search not use boolean? |
| 00:03.07 | Sargun | trying to see if hot or not is trademarked. |
| 00:12.59 | jlp_work | Sargun: quotes, maybe? |
| 00:13.13 | mheath | I'm sure it is. |
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| 00:13.52 | mheath | Sargun: "Hot or Not; hotornot.com; Meet Me; Meet Me at Hot or Not; Are You Hot or Not; Fun, Clean, and Real; Double-match are trademarks of Eight Days., Inc. All other trademarks, service marks and trade names appearing on the HOT or NOT website are the property of their respective owners." |
| 00:13.53 | Sargun | rate my body |
| 00:13.58 | jlp_work | http://www.hotornot.com/pages/trademark.html |
| 00:14.01 | brac | [HOT or NOT trademark notice] |
| 00:14.17 | mheath | Wow. Thats dirty. "Fun, Clean, and Real." |
| 00:14.23 | jlp_work | heh, mheath beat me to it |
| 00:14.26 | Sargun | jlp_work, thanks. |
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| 03:02.39 | mheath | Anyone around? |
| 03:03.19 | elg | nope |
| 03:03.54 | mheath | Heh. |
| 03:04.42 | mheath | I'm working on putting together a prototype system for my wireless tablet terminal idea.. |
| 03:05.04 | mheath | I think I'd be able to keep the price sub-$250, but I don't know if this is something people would be interested in |
| 03:06.52 | nick125_lappy | I think the qwest guy died on the phone or something |
| 03:07.14 | mheath | nick125_lappy: I'll trade you |
| 03:07.14 | nick125_lappy | He came on about 20 minutes ago and said "hi", and haven't heard anything from him since |
| 03:07.22 | mheath | I'll talk to qwest |
| 03:07.28 | mheath | you talk to comcast |
| 03:07.41 | nick125_lappy | No thanks, I have enough fun talking to both. |
| 03:07.55 | nick125_lappy | I've got my ISP on the phone with qwest as well so.. |
| 03:08.30 | mheath | nick125_lappy: At least your not being charged for a comcast account that is literally impossible to cancel |
| 03:08.44 | mheath | Because it only exists in their system enough to charge you for it, but not enough to access the account and cancel it |
| 03:08.59 | nick125_lappy | I had a heck of a time cancelling my comcast HSI account |
| 03:09.30 | Supaplex | I never did. I think the part about refusing to pay for future service got the point into their head. |
| 03:09.37 | nick125_lappy | And, when I call in to downgrade my digital cable, I'm suddenly no longer on the account. |
| 03:09.42 | mheath | Supaplex: Can't do that. |
| 03:09.49 | Supaplex | is it a contract? |
| 03:10.03 | mheath | No. |
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| 03:10.22 | nick125_lappy | I was on the account the week before when I was upgraded the digital cable. |
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| 03:11.12 | Supaplex | mheath: explain how it can't be done. If they refuse to comply to a cancelation request, and send it to collections, they're screwed. |
| 03:11.29 | nick125_lappy | Record the call |
| 03:11.47 | Supaplex | exactly. |
| 03:12.06 | Supaplex | anyway, got $stuff to do. bbl. |
| 03:12.12 | nick125_lappy | So you can say you tried to cancel, and you notified them that you will no longer be paying the bill |
| 03:12.16 | Sargun | give them a nuke. |
| 03:12.23 | Sargun | Like in ender's game |
| 03:12.32 | Sargun | well, not a nuke, but another type of weapon. |
| 03:12.34 | Sargun | Er, wait |
| 03:12.38 | Sargun | was that enders game? |
| 03:12.40 | Sargun | yeah, it was. |
| 03:12.47 | Sargun | on the planet of the pequenos |
| 03:13.48 | mheath | O.o |
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| 03:13.56 | mheath | No one used Nukes in Ender's Game. |
| 03:14.16 | mheath | Infact they make references several times to Nuclear Weapons being inferior antequated weaponry |
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| 03:14.34 | mheath | They use Dr. Device in Ender's Game as the main heavy-hitter weapon |
| 03:15.15 | mheath | Anyway, my comcast account is impossible to cancel |
| 03:15.29 | mheath | The issue is, their phone system tries to track everything by phone number. |
| 03:15.45 | mheath | I signed up for comcast on a military base |
| 03:15.52 | mheath | via a liason that came out to the base and signed people up |
| 03:15.57 | mheath | The issue is, she never took my phone number |
| 03:16.12 | mheath | And so the phone number for my account is listed as 555-5555 |
| 03:16.12 | nick125_lappy | Do you know what phone number is on the account? |
| 03:16.29 | nick125_lappy | Great. |
| 03:17.43 | mheath | I don't know the account number |
| 03:17.49 | mheath | So I finally talk someone into looking it up by address |
| 03:17.55 | nick125_lappy | The account number should be on the bill you get |
| 03:18.09 | mheath | They proceed to tell me that my account is somehow bizzare / weird |
| 03:18.14 | mheath | and try to transfer me somewhere else |
| 03:18.24 | mheath | At which point I get prompted for a phone number |
| 03:18.29 | mheath | and the thing freaks out, etc, etc. |
| 03:18.31 | nick125_lappy | Tell them you want the account cancelled, and you refuse to pay the bill any further. |
| 03:19.10 | mheath | The people I talk to can't cancel it |
| 03:19.15 | nick125_lappy | If they bill you any further after this point, you will refuse to pay it. You will pay any pro-rated amount of the bill. |
| 03:19.19 | nick125_lappy | Why not? |
| 03:19.31 | nick125_lappy | Because there isn't a phone number associated with the account? |
| 03:19.38 | mheath | Because they're not high-level-enough |
| 03:19.43 | mheath | so they try to transfer me |
| 03:19.54 | mheath | and their automated phone system leads me in menu circles and then ultimately disconnects me |
| 03:20.02 | nick125_lappy | Tell them to esclate you, and, to stay on the line while they transfer you, not blindly transfering you. |
| 03:20.46 | nick125_lappy | Who are you calling? The local office or 1-888-COMCAST? |
| 03:21.45 | nick125_lappy | Would it be possible to stop by the local office? They can't "disconnect" you at the local office |
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| 03:53.16 | elg | dude, just send them a letter |
| 03:53.32 | elg | ask the peon on the phone for a mailing address for billing if you're not comfortable sending it to the generic address |
| 03:53.45 | elg | state that you are canceling your service and any future bills/invoices will be ignored |
| 03:53.47 | elg | keep a copy |
| 03:53.55 | elg | if they send collections after you, produce said copy |
| 03:53.58 | elg | sleep happy |
| 03:54.06 | nick125_lappy | Or you can call them *and* send them a letter |
| 03:54.13 | elg | well he already called them |
| 03:54.42 | nick125_lappy | Call them and tell them that he is cancelling his service and any future bills will be ignored |
| 03:55.02 | elg | the peons on the phone will just put their fingers in their ears |
| 03:55.17 | elg | and apparently he can't get transferred to people who can care because of the silly phone system |
| 03:55.47 | elg | but you don't have to worry about their internal routing difficulties with a letter |
| 03:55.52 | elg | it's out of your hands, literally |
| 03:55.53 | elg | their problem |
| 03:56.08 | nick125_lappy | Or you can go down to the comcrap office in person and talk to them there |
| 03:57.47 | elg | he's tired of waiting in waiting rooms |
| 03:58.07 | nick125_lappy | They are going to claim they never got the letter |
| 04:14.53 | fozzmoo | mheath: Consider yourself... COMCASTIGATED! |
| 04:18.42 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:18.55 | Sargun | Ship them a pile of white powder :-P |
| 04:34.51 | levi_home | Sargun: That's sure to help his situation. :P |
| 04:35.13 | Sargun | I think jails get fiber |
| 04:35.13 | nick125_lappy | They might still not cancel the account |
| 04:35.16 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:35.31 | TheTiGuR | I'm sure he'd no longer be paying though |
| 04:35.34 | Sargun | I think 56.6k is better in some respects. |
| 04:35.45 | nick125_lappy | TheTiGuR: I'm pretty sure of that as well. |
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| 05:14.06 | nick125_lappy | Git is so much fun :p |
| 05:14.16 | fozzmoo | youtube just... crashed or something. |
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| 05:45.14 | Supaplex | -chat fozzmoo broke youtube in |
| 05:45.14 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 05:45.20 | Supaplex | -chat fozzmoo was |
| 05:45.20 | brac | fozzmoo was just old. |
| 05:47.20 | fozzmoo | :( |
| 05:48.39 | Supaplex | you broke youtube because you're just old man. ;) |
| 06:17.18 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:19.44 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here use pygtk? |
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| 06:34.06 | Sargun | someone wanna kick, kickban, or ban sarguns_bff |
| 06:34.12 | Sargun | he isn't. |
| 06:34.13 | Sargun | :-) |
| 06:34.55 | sarguns_bff | sargun, since when did you control this room? your not an admin here, dont act like one. |
| 06:35.35 | Sargun | ... |
| 06:35.43 | sarguns_bff | thats right, move along |
| 06:36.00 | Sargun | ... |
| 06:36.24 | nick125_lappy | Can you guys please take your games somewhere else? |
| 06:36.43 | sarguns_bff | it was not intenionaly a game, but i see sargun wants to make it one |
| 06:37.04 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, hey |
| 06:37.06 | Supaplex | children |
| 06:37.17 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, what are you doing in pyGTK? |
| 06:38.03 | nick125_lappy | text editor |
| 06:39.02 | Supaplex | so nick125_lappy is a text editor, and he's in pyGTK? cool! |
| 06:39.06 | Sargun | nice. |
| 06:39.20 | nick125_lappy | Supaplex: Yup. |
| 06:39.51 | sarguns_bff | our age differents isn't that far apart nick |
| 06:40.04 | sarguns_bff | *difference |
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| 06:50.50 | findlay | hello |
| 06:51.14 | Supaplex | is there anybody in there |
| 06:51.30 | findlay | aw, the troll left |
| 06:51.57 | Supaplex | -chat about the troll |
| 06:51.58 | brac | the troll left |
| 06:55.00 | findlay | -google stuff |
| 06:55.01 | brac | stuff: http://www.stuffmagazine.com/ |
| 06:55.11 | findlay | -google Supaplex |
| 06:55.12 | brac | Supaplex: http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/ |
| 06:55.19 | findlay | -google findlay |
| 06:55.20 | brac | findlay: http://www.findlay.edu/ |
| 06:55.37 | findlay | wow. I'm an institution! |
| 06:56.27 | Supaplex | in ohio nonetheless |
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| 12:26.35 | ^Migs^ | looks like Daz3D made by Bryce 5.5 available for free. |
| 12:26.37 | ^Migs^ | that's awesome |
| 12:28.39 | Supaplex | ya think? |
| 12:30.12 | graphyx | I have a buddy that works there. |
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| 12:41.01 | sjansen | ~ping Tene |
| 12:41.03 | ibot | pong Tene |
| 12:41.19 | graphyx | morning |
| 12:41.43 | graphyx | Well, this is getting exciting. I am down to my second to last day at this work place. |
| 12:41.57 | Supaplex | where at? |
| 12:42.04 | graphyx | acxiom |
| 12:42.04 | sjansen | graphyx: Where you going? |
| 12:42.18 | graphyx | L-3 communications - West it Salt Lake City |
| 12:42.25 | graphyx | s/it/in/ |
| 12:42.31 | sjansen | Near the airport. I'm familiar with that region. ;-) |
| 12:42.38 | graphyx | yep |
| 12:42.41 | graphyx | that is the one. |
| 12:42.55 | sjansen | L3com.com, IIRC |
| 12:43.03 | sjansen | No, wait, L-3com.com |
| 12:43.40 | sjansen | Yep, that's it. They've got it in big letter on the side of a building. See it every time I drive down to the airport. |
| 12:44.18 | sjansen | Well, that an some hummers with giant antennas on top. Look so top heavy you'd think a stiff breeze would tip them over. |
| 12:44.31 | sjansen | s/antennas/dishes/ |
| 12:45.03 | graphyx | I haven't seen those hummers myself |
| 12:45.35 | graphyx | but I imagine that they are for driving around military personnel when they visit. |
| 12:45.38 | graphyx | make them feel at home. |
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| 13:32.45 | goozbach | YAY! |
| 13:33.03 | goozbach | sjansen must be on the east coast somewheres |
| 13:33.09 | harleypig_ | Well, at least *someone's* glad to see me ... |
| 13:33.12 | harleypig_ | oh. |
| 13:33.15 | harleypig_ | *sigh* |
| 13:33.18 | harleypig_ | :> |
| 13:33.22 | goozbach | it's rare to see him in this channel this early |
| 13:33.26 | harleypig_ | Hey, what happened to my nick |
| 13:33.40 | goozbach | harleypig_: the "YAY!" was a generic one, feel free to claim it |
| 13:33.54 | goozbach | it was mostly for this: http://www.xenarc.com/product/700IDT.html |
| 13:33.57 | brac | [Xenarc Technologies - 700IDT - 7" IN-DASH Touchscreen LCD VGA Monitor] |
| 13:35.11 | goozbach | harleypig: way to snip that tail |
| 13:35.32 | harleypig | It wasn't curly enough. |
| 13:36.08 | graphyx | goozbach: now they need another one that opens up down for a 2 din setup |
| 13:36.28 | graphyx | so that you could have two touch screen monitors that snug up for 2 x the screen space. |
| 13:36.34 | graphyx | that would be sweet. |
| 13:46.20 | harleypig | Wasn't there a service or something that would analyze a block of text and spit out possible tags for that block of text? |
| 13:47.52 | graphyx | I am sure someone has come up with that somewhere. |
| 13:49.08 | harleypig | I seem to remember reading about it on someone's blog ... they were happy that they could load their old posts and add tags that way instead of manually reading everything all over again. |
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| 14:25.03 | mheath | Hmm |
| 14:25.14 | mheath | I've always been tempted to get into shortwave radio |
| 14:25.39 | mheath | I like the idea of having a wireless internet connection anywhere in the country (or, possibly, anywhere in the world, if the equipment and conditions are good) |
| 14:27.49 | goozbach | graphyx: just mount one upside down |
| 14:29.32 | mheath | How fast of speeds can you get via shortwave wireless, though? |
| 14:31.17 | sjansen | goozbach: I is. |
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| 15:08.34 | graphyx | goozbach: sure, but I would want them to produce it so that the two screens could fit almost right next to each other. rather than having a big break in the screen. |
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| 15:08.54 | vontrapp | does there exist good point of sale software for a small business? |
| 15:09.38 | goozbach | yeah, heck you could almost fit two screens into one DIN |
| 15:09.52 | goozbach | opens like this ====< |
| 15:10.00 | vontrapp | we really really need to get a computerized system here, and if we could just recycle some computers with linux and oss it could at least get us started in that direction |
| 15:10.03 | graphyx | exactly |
| 15:10.06 | goozbach | err: |
| 15:10.09 | goozbach | ==== |
| 15:10.13 | goozbach | ====< |
| 15:10.18 | goozbach | ====| |
| 15:10.22 | graphyx | yep |
| 15:10.35 | goozbach | that'd be cool |
| 15:11.45 | elg | vontrapp: talk to merrill overson or whatever his name is, at action target |
| 15:12.21 | vontrapp | who's action target? |
| 15:12.30 | vontrapp | sounds like moving target |
| 15:12.32 | goozbach | vontrapp: I at one point started building one, but there's a lot more to it than you think |
| 15:12.41 | vontrapp | i bet |
| 15:12.49 | vontrapp | that's why i want one that's done |
| 15:12.56 | vontrapp | what about that ofbiz thing? |
| 15:13.22 | elg | action target is some kind of target or shooting store or something |
| 15:13.24 | elg | I don't remember |
| 15:13.37 | elg | but merrill has or set up a POS system on Linux and loves to tell people about it |
| 15:13.45 | vontrapp | okey |
| 15:13.54 | vontrapp | orem, provo, slc? |
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| 15:14.45 | elg | merrill oveson <merrill@actiontarget.com> |
| 15:14.52 | elg | orem iirc |
| 15:15.04 | wps | test |
| 15:15.31 | elg | nope, provo |
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| 15:15.40 | elg | 1281 w 220 n |
| 15:19.19 | vontrapp | i just called them, said there was no merril |
| 15:22.12 | levi | elg: I think I got my Sun ELC workstations from Action Target years ago. |
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| 15:23.05 | elg | maybe merrill left? did I hear that? |
| 15:23.48 | elg | looks like it |
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| 15:24.05 | vontrapp | will that email address still work? |
| 15:24.10 | elg | he has a linkedin page |
| 15:24.27 | elg | http://www.linkedin.com/ppl/webprofile?action=vmi&id=1400690&authToken=7HSX&authType=name&trk=ppro_viewmore |
| 15:26.23 | vontrapp | what's ERP? |
| 15:27.36 | elg | enterprise resource planning, I guess |
| 15:27.55 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning |
| 15:28.03 | vontrapp | you know him? he in your network? |
| 15:28.29 | elg | i have a contact directly button, but I don't know him |
| 15:28.39 | elg | probably have him within two links or whatever the thing is |
| 15:29.03 | vontrapp | i don't, could you contact him for me? or give me his email |
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| 15:29.41 | elg | ha, just kidding, they want me to upgrade to a business account |
| 15:29.51 | vontrapp | when maquis's in #utah |
| 15:30.14 | vontrapp | yeah, i have an InMail button |
| 15:30.15 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.18 | vontrapp | needs upgraded |
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| 15:30.25 | Tene | ~ping sjansen |
| 15:30.34 | ibot | pong sjansen |
| 15:30.52 | vontrapp | i guess he might still get mail at the actiontarget address |
| 15:31.43 | elg | looks like he has a gmail account |
| 15:31.43 | tensai | I'm pretty sure Merrill just contracted for Action Target |
| 15:31.46 | elg | moveson@gmail.com |
| 15:31.54 | elg | that's from an april 2006 plug message |
| 15:32.06 | levi | Heh, I'm connected with him, too. |
| 15:33.05 | elg | today I build my oven and put the cement slab roof on |
| 15:33.10 | elg | already have the bricks |
| 15:33.23 | graphyx | elg: sweet!!! |
| 15:33.25 | graphyx | that is cool |
| 15:33.26 | levi | Nice. |
| 15:33.33 | graphyx | redbeard2 will probably be jealous. |
| 15:33.38 | vontrapp | well if i don't get a reply to theat mail i'll try again at the gmail one |
| 15:33.45 | graphyx | You down in NW now elg? |
| 15:33.49 | elg | hopefully I can manage to wait the 5 more days I should wait to let the concrete cure completely |
| 15:33.58 | elg | NM yes |
| 15:34.18 | elg | redbeard2 should be jealous |
| 15:34.24 | graphyx | oh well. |
| 15:34.41 | graphyx | You just reminded me of a dinner appointment I had as a missionary in Italy |
| 15:34.54 | graphyx | We did pizzas in the outdoor brick oven. |
| 15:34.57 | graphyx | it was good. |
| 15:35.11 | elg | total cost so far: $60 (and a few cents) |
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| 15:35.42 | elg | and I have all the materials and tools, except I need a hatchet and something to sweep the ashes out with. but those are tools to _use_ it not build it :) |
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| 15:35.47 | elg | ~find lost^alien |
| 15:36.59 | tensai | any mon experts? |
| 15:37.05 | elg | i love mon |
| 15:37.14 | elg | might be a bit rusty though |
| 15:37.19 | elg | but I used to be an expert |
| 15:37.34 | tensai | it seems pretty cool. syntax is very straightforward compared to nagios. |
| 15:37.52 | tensai | I want to run one alert on the first failure and run a different alert on the second failure |
| 15:37.57 | tensai | is that possible? |
| 15:38.14 | elg | it is awesome. so much better than nagios |
| 15:39.43 | elg | tensai: probably possible, i'll have to reread the manpages |
| 15:40.04 | tensai | oh, maybe I need one of these label thingies |
| 15:41.06 | elg | alertafter |
| 15:41.37 | tensai | yeah, alertafter works. I want two separate periods each with a different alertafter. |
| 15:41.44 | elg | ah, right |
| 15:41.51 | tensai | the label was the thing. without a label, the last one wins. |
| 15:42.13 | tensai | so on first failure, try to restart the service. on second failure, hb_standby |
| 15:46.41 | graphyx | ok here is something I am trying to do |
| 15:46.50 | graphyx | here is the way it doesn't work:for i in 1-99 ; do echo $i; done |
| 15:46.54 | elg | here is something I'm not trying to do |
| 15:46.55 | graphyx | what is the right way? |
| 15:46.59 | graphyx | that just prints out 1-99 |
| 15:47.06 | graphyx | rather that 1,2,3,... |
| 15:47.09 | elg | for i in 1 2 3 4 ... 99; do echo $i; done |
| 15:47.20 | elg | for i in `seq 1 99`; do echo $i; done |
| 15:47.25 | elg | if you are lucky enough to have seq |
| 15:47.26 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:47.27 | graphyx | cool |
| 15:47.29 | elg | which you probably are in linux |
| 15:47.55 | graphyx | I am lucky enough to be using linux! |
| 15:47.57 | graphyx | woot! |
| 15:48.02 | graphyx | that is great. |
| 15:48.04 | graphyx | thanks. |
| 15:48.19 | elg | you can tell seq to zero pad, skip by 2, etc. it's an awesome tool |
| 15:48.22 | elg | and it's not on osx |
| 15:48.22 | elg | grr |
| 15:49.19 | graphyx | no port? |
| 15:49.28 | elg | nope |
| 15:49.32 | graphyx | seems that it would be simple to port it though. |
| 15:49.54 | elg | i could probably write my own in seq in ruby in like 20 minutes |
| 15:49.59 | elg | maybe I will someday |
| 15:50.18 | elg | of course, if it's its own program with source tarball I'm sure it'd compile fine |
| 15:50.26 | elg | someone just needs to write a port file |
| 15:50.29 | elg | but I have an aversin to tcl |
| 15:51.28 | elg | hey, maybe it's in the coreutils port |
| 15:51.49 | goozbach | try this: for i in 1 .. 99 |
| 15:52.20 | elg | $ for i in 1 .. 10;do echo $i; done |
| 15:52.21 | elg | 1 |
| 15:52.21 | elg | .. |
| 15:52.21 | elg | 10 |
| 15:52.27 | goozbach | hmm |
| 15:52.39 | goozbach | there is a .. operator in bash |
| 15:52.40 | elg | same on linux |
| 15:52.45 | goozbach | don't remember how to do taht |
| 15:52.55 | goozbach | seq is how I ususally do it |
| 15:59.26 | harleypig | for i in `perl -e 'print "$_ " for 1 .. 10' |
| 15:59.27 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:00.24 | elg | coreutils port provides gseq |
| 16:00.29 | elg | with the annoying g prefix |
| 16:00.43 | elg | just as impossible to make a portable shell script for, but at least I can use it in handgrown scripts |
| 16:01.14 | levi | Cool, Mark Shuttleworth uses Croquet as a collaboration tool to plan & build Ubuntu. |
| 16:01.14 | harleypig | What is croquet? |
| 16:01.31 | levi | It's a 3d distributed virtual environment server thing. |
| 16:01.42 | harleypig | and no one has heard of a program or service that will look at a block of text and suggest tags for it? |
| 16:02.38 | levi | harleypig: The question strikes me as kind of funny, since the whole point of tags was originally to make it easy for humans to do that sort of thing. |
| 16:03.17 | levi | Presumably, if a search engine could derive tags correctly, you wouldn't need them at all. |
| 16:03.19 | harleypig | :/ Yeah ... but I seem to remember reading a post where someone was doing that so they could tag old posts |
| 16:03.44 | elg | bayesian classification would do that fine, with a little training |
| 16:04.00 | harleypig | Maybe just wishful thinking editing my memories. |
| 16:04.02 | elg | if you want to tag prolifically |
| 16:04.08 | levi | FSVO 'fine', at least. |
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| 16:04.45 | elg | you could take the n most common words in your corpus and assign up to k tags to each post based on passing a threshhold of one of the n tag words |
| 16:05.08 | elg | but if you're persnickety about organization you'll never be happy with the tags a program gives you :) |
| 16:05.21 | levi | If the words are already in the text, I don't see the advantage you get over a regular text search. |
| 16:05.41 | elg | levi: the little tag block on the side that has text in different sizes |
| 16:06.02 | levi | Oh, the tag cloud? |
| 16:06.04 | elg | personally I think it is very rare you should be assigning a tag that _isn't_ in the text |
| 16:06.18 | elg | such tags would be bad form, if you ask me. but not a hard and fast rule |
| 16:06.39 | levi | elg: I don't agree. Consider the tag 'fiction'. |
| 16:06.51 | levi | elg: You don't usually write 'this is fiction' in a story. |
| 16:07.12 | elg | well, i'm thinking blog posts |
| 16:07.19 | levi | Tags are metadata, so they very likely won't appear verbatim in the actual text. |
| 16:07.27 | elg | but i secede your point |
| 16:07.41 | elg | but what algorithm is going to come up with "fiction"? |
| 16:07.55 | levi | It isn't. That was my original point. |
| 16:07.59 | elg | because if you know such an algorithm, we could make a lot of money |
| 16:08.10 | levi | Tags are for stuff humans can do well but computers can't. |
| 16:08.12 | harleypig | elg: Blog posts can be fiction. |
| 16:08.53 | harleypig | http://boakes.org/autometa/ I think this is what I was remembering. |
| 16:08.55 | elg | yeah, blog posts can be anything |
| 16:09.13 | levi | You might tag your blog posts as 'humor', 'fiction', 'rant', etc. |
| 16:09.43 | harleypig | Yeah, I wasn't thinking that this program or service would provide a perfect set of tags, or even close. |
| 16:10.14 | elg | i think you can get a possibly-satisfactory set of tags with an algorithm, depending on your temperament |
| 16:10.19 | harleypig | I'm thinking more along the lines of "It looks like you might want to tag this post with something like the following: ... blah ... blah" |
| 16:11.01 | harleypig | I have a hard time coming up with descriptive tags for stuff. |
| 16:11.55 | levi | For subject tags, text extraction could work well, but there are a lot more abstract and probably more useful tags that could not be automatically extracted. |
| 16:12.15 | elg | ah, coreutils variant with_default_names |
| 16:12.17 | elg | awesome |
| 16:14.25 | ^Migs^ | I feel like I've lost brain cells. I've been listening to 9/11 conspiracy theory videos all morning. |
| 16:14.46 | levi | Well, no one was forcing you to watch them. :P |
| 16:15.00 | redbeard2 | ~lart elg |
| 16:15.00 | ibot | beats elg senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 16:16.36 | elg | levi: right, which is why 'satisfactory' depends on the person's temperament |
| 16:16.36 | elg | and probably on the content too |
| 16:16.36 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:17.23 | ^Migs^ | I found them strangely hypnotic and entertaining |
| 16:17.47 | levi | What's coreutils+with_default_names? |
| 16:18.01 | ^Migs^ | there was a debate between some editors of Popular Mechanics vs. some conspiracy theorists, and it was funny seeing how worked up the conspiracy theorists were, compared to the calm and composed PM guys. |
| 16:18.29 | ^Migs^ | seriously, any conspiracy theorist is decreasing their lifespan by how much stress they're inflicting on themselves |
| 16:19.05 | elg | gnu coreutils (fileutils, shellutils, textutils), the os x port, with default names instead of the annoying g prefix |
| 16:19.34 | elg | sudo port install coreutils +with_default_names |
| 16:19.39 | elg | is the syntax |
| 16:20.00 | levi | Oh, nice. |
| 16:20.16 | levi | Man, I need a new MacBook. |
| 16:20.32 | zzzirk | MacBooks all around |
| 16:20.34 | zzzirk | ;) |
| 16:20.35 | elg | Man, I need breakfast |
| 16:20.35 | levi | I wish I could afford the latest MacBook Pro. |
| 16:28.31 | ^Migs^ | omg, my beef stroganoff is so awesome |
| 16:33.29 | levi | Good for you. |
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| 16:34.44 | spr | herlo: ping? |
| 16:34.59 | herlo | spr: pong |
| 16:35.23 | herlo | spr: sorry, I am unable to connect to msging at my current location |
| 16:35.29 | herlo | spr: only at the hotel |
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| 16:37.48 | sjansen | Tene: Tag, you're it. |
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| 16:38.23 | herlo | sjansen: just remember, there are no tagbacks |
| 16:39.02 | ^Migs^ | hahaha. go to cnn.com and click on "Youtubers croon for..." |
| 16:40.47 | ^Migs^ | I got sunburned on my forehead and now all the skin is flaking off on my desk |
| 16:42.40 | levi | Thanks for sharing. |
| 16:43.06 | ^Migs^ | it's pretty gross |
| 16:50.54 | bonez44 | makes you feel like a snake, eh ^Migs^ |
| 16:55.20 | sjansen | I have never eaten a decent veggie burger. I suspect I never will. |
| 16:56.33 | spr | herlo: I just wanted to let you know I can make it to utosc |
| 16:57.00 | herlo | spr: that's great to hear |
| 16:57.15 | herlo | spr: where is it you reside atm? |
| 16:57.25 | spr | bay area |
| 16:57.35 | spr | Menlo Park specifically |
| 16:57.38 | herlo | spr: right |
| 16:57.54 | herlo | spr: cool beans. I'll be having you do something to help :) |
| 16:58.14 | spr | alright, I can also do a presentation if you want |
| 16:59.38 | Jayce^ | spr, yes, you are doing at least one.. |
| 16:59.52 | herlo | spr: submit it this week pls |
| 17:02.20 | redbeard2 | sjansen: i don't believe a decent veggie burger exists. |
| 17:02.46 | Jayce^ | of course it doesn't.. |
| 17:03.12 | Jayce^ | a veggie burger is something designed to appeal to the taste buds of people who don't like steak! |
| 17:04.14 | ^Migs^ | I used to have a small aquarium of these on my desk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triops |
| 17:04.18 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking of getting some more |
| 17:04.26 | ^Migs^ | although I got pissed when they started eating each other |
| 17:09.25 | findlay | but I'm wary of what this 'veggie bueger' is as well |
| 17:09.45 | findlay | well, OK, steak in moderation is fine |
| 17:10.48 | redbeard2 | it doesn't say so in the bible, but veggie burgers were the final straw that caused God to destroy sodom and gomorrah |
| 17:10.57 | ^Migs^ | I believe it |
| 17:11.02 | findlay | ha |
| 17:11.17 | ^Migs^ | God was all "Why did I even GIVE you guys animals?!" |
| 17:11.46 | fozzmoo | "You can have sex with the animals all you want, but you've got to eat them too!" |
| 17:12.02 | redbeard2 | whoa. |
| 17:12.14 | fozzmoo | "If you don't eat them... death to you all!" |
| 17:12.16 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 17:12.29 | redbeard2 | actually, the bible does say not to sleep with animals. |
| 17:12.43 | ^Migs^ | Right, so it must be okay. |
| 17:12.48 | ^Migs^ | After all, if God didn't want us to have sex with animals, he wouldn't have given them genitalia. |
| 17:12.59 | findlay | I'd just as easily eat meat as not |
| 17:13.37 | ^Migs^ | would it be harder to eat something you just had sex with? |
| 17:14.20 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. Are you suggesting there would be a certain level of respect for the animal after you've had sex with it? |
| 17:14.32 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 17:14.39 | ^Migs^ | I don't know, that's why I'm asking you, since you seem to know something about this |
| 17:15.24 | fozzmoo | I was just going with redbeard2's suggestion that the veggie burger was the last straw in Sodom and Gomorrah. |
| 17:17.02 | sjansen | "We invite all instructors to take the week of July 2nd off as paid vacation (that won't use any of your accrued vacation days)." -- Man, I love my job! |
| 17:17.10 | fozzmoo | nice. |
| 17:17.21 | fozzmoo | Are you going to go into the office anyway, sjansen? |
| 17:17.31 | sjansen | fozzmoo: You know me too well. |
| 17:17.35 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 17:17.42 | sjansen | Although I'll try to at least cut back. |
| 17:17.57 | fozzmoo | Alright. Time to drive to the office. |
| 17:19.13 | sjansen | So I finally just removed the veggie burger from my veggie burger. Now all I've got is bun, onion, tomato and mayo. Tastes much better. |
| 17:21.17 | Jayce^ | as if sjansen has anything else to do :-p |
| 17:22.09 | Jayce^ | although he seems to be too busy to say what he's bringing to the plug bbq.. |
| 17:24.34 | sjansen | I plan to bring dirt. You may not enjoy it, but I'm sure your children will find many uses. |
| 17:24.46 | Jayce^ | oh they do plenty with dirt |
| 17:25.24 | Jayce^ | when going on walks, my daughter has this compulsion to pick up rocks, which she stuffs in my pockets.. |
| 17:25.34 | Jayce^ | she expects them to all be there at the end |
| 17:26.15 | redbeard2 | plug bbq! i forgot about that! |
| 17:37.55 | graphyx | this weekend, no? |
| 17:38.08 | graphyx | My son likes to take rocks for a ficticious rock collection. |
| 17:43.57 | redbeard2 | graphyx: you coming? |
| 17:45.36 | Tene | ~tag sjansen |
| 17:47.18 | graphyx | redbeard2: I would like to. |
| 17:47.28 | graphyx | I just get in the previous day, so we will see |
| 17:52.15 | graphyx | gotta love how the first thing on the list for things that we need is internet accell. |
| 17:52.17 | graphyx | access. |
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| 17:59.15 | ^Migs^ | my kids like to collect pinecones |
| 17:59.22 | ^Migs^ | and acorns, if applicable |
| 18:00.17 | goozbach | I've still got rocks I colected back in the third grade |
| 18:01.32 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 18:01.36 | ^Migs^ | but why? |
| 18:04.12 | goozbach | memories |
| 18:04.38 | findlay | ~memory goozbach |
| 18:05.00 | goozbach | one is from the first time I went to the beach, one is from Leiman's cave, one is from the place my dad took me shooting the first time |
| 18:05.31 | findlay | goozbach: no way. I have a rock collection like that too :-) |
| 18:05.56 | findlay | I usually get a small pebble from all of the places I go |
| 18:06.05 | findlay | or where something significant happened |
| 18:12.42 | redbeard2 | and here i was collecting shot glasses for those memories instead. your method is way cheaper. |
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| 18:13.00 | findlay | indeed |
| 18:13.10 | redbeard2 | but if properly applied, my method can also make you lose memories, even if only temporarily. |
| 18:16.15 | redbeard2 | shotglass collected for memories + alcohol = shotglass used to forget memories |
| 18:16.47 | redbeard2 | "Ah, beer. The cause and solution to all of life's problems." - Homer Simpson |
| 18:17.30 | redbeard2 | but i suppose if properly applied, a rock can also be used to remove memories. it tends to be a little more permanent, though. |
| 18:17.49 | findlay | well, you can collect a rock from places you can't buy a shot glass, like th top of a mountain |
| 18:19.43 | redbeard2 | findlay: that's why we need to address the shotglass deficiency in this country. |
| 18:20.13 | redbeard2 | or generalize memories. if you first went shooting with your dad at the top of a mountain in jackson hole, use a wyoming shotglass to represent those memories. |
| 18:29.14 | jsmith-lab9-3 | Mnnnn... shooting in Wyoming |
| 18:30.05 | graphyx | Us mormons like to use old fashion things to help us keep memories |
| 18:30.11 | graphyx | like paper and pencil. |
| 18:30.37 | graphyx | but as techies we would just need to post something on a blog and google and archive.org will try to retain it forever. |
| 18:36.14 | findlay | has anyone yere used shaperd? |
| 18:38.09 | findlay | s/yere/here/ |
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| 18:45.58 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005062479,00.html |
| 18:46.01 | brac | [The Sun Online - News: Testicle ripper jailed] |
| 18:47.26 | elg | wow, you even scared harleypig with that one |
| 18:52.43 | ^Migs^ | http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2371905.html |
| 18:52.44 | brac | [Ananova - Dog has kitten] |
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| 18:56.30 | elg | riiiiiiiiiight |
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| 19:09.12 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1226421520070613 |
| 19:26.43 | fozzmoo | http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/68/potd/1152101719_93.jpg |
| 19:29.31 | findlay | http://jfindlay.us/hi.png |
| 19:30.03 | sjansen | o/~ I'm only happy when it rains. I'm only happy when it's complicated. ~/o |
| 19:31.39 | sjansen | Whee! I haven't listened to a nice, loud thunderstorm for a long time. |
| 19:33.10 | Tene | http://allalone.org/pics/daisy.png |
| 19:34.14 | findlay | that's some wonderful artwork there, Tene |
| 19:34.28 | Tene | same to you, findlay |
| 19:34.44 | findlay | :( Mine was just ugly |
| 19:34.51 | graphyx | ^Migs^: and you thought that stray radiation is the US was a problem. |
| 19:39.44 | ^Migs^ | speaking of radiation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fceRJSbkoew |
| 19:43.17 | bonez44 | where can I find small business parties...who deal with manufacturing products...and how they employ linux tools and such to help their bueinss run smoother? |
| 19:43.17 | Tene | http://i12.tinypic.com/2eekndv.gif |
| 19:51.20 | ^Migs^ | the guy talking to Big Buddha in the beginning of this video is an old friend of mine from high school: http://tinyurl.com/2p7ujv |
| 19:52.12 | findlay | that means your friend knows Buddha |
| 19:52.23 | ^Migs^ | Apparently it does, yes. |
| 19:52.23 | elg | that means you're fat |
| 19:52.28 | ^Migs^ | that too |
| 19:52.44 | ^Migs^ | Brinton's the #1 World Champion streetboarder for 7 years running |
| 19:55.45 | ^Migs^ | cool guy too. Haven't seen him in years. It's weird that my 10 year high school reunion is coming up quickly here |
| 19:56.03 | bonez44 | what does it mean one an error says...Cannot stat file? |
| 19:56.39 | Tene | bonez44: likely that the file does not exist |
| 19:57.28 | findlay | ^Migs^: mine's in 2 years |
| 19:57.47 | bonez44 | Tene, I will likely then have to reinstall....ok.. |
| 19:57.58 | levi | bonez41: stat is a posix system call that you can use to get information on a file. It's often called before opening a file to verify that it exists and has the right permissions, etc. |
| 19:58.00 | ^Migs^ | don't you feel old, findlay? |
| 19:58.01 | ^Migs^ | I feel old |
| 19:58.06 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:58.16 | levi | ^Migs^: You haven't had your 10 year reunion yet? :P |
| 19:58.28 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Young whippersnapper!! |
| 19:58.32 | Tene | don't you feel strawberry, findlay? |
| 19:58.36 | Tene | I feel strawberry. |
| 19:58.42 | findlay | Tene: yes, I do |
| 19:59.09 | ^Migs^ | no, I am this August |
| 19:59.11 | Tene | I spilled soda on myself. My shirt has a pink spot now. |
| 19:59.20 | graphyx | Weee... Our cars just got picked up today to be shipped to Utah. |
| 19:59.25 | levi | Tene: That is unfortunate. |
| 19:59.28 | bonez44 | levi, well, the files, conf files and such that zimbra needs , it can Not find.... |
| 19:59.30 | ^Migs^ | only strawberry? I'm feeling rather pomegranate. |
| 19:59.31 | levi | graphyx: What cars? |
| 19:59.38 | graphyx | my two cars |
| 19:59.52 | graphyx | the minivan and my 1991 mercury Capri xr2 |
| 19:59.56 | levi | bonez41: Can't help you with zimbra problems, but I can tell you what most system calls do. :) |
| 20:00.04 | graphyx | We fly out on Friday. |
| 20:00.10 | graphyx | and will rent until the cars arrive. |
| 20:00.14 | bonez44 | levi, ok, I think I am on the right track anyway |
| 20:00.15 | levi | Where are they being shipped from? |
| 20:00.21 | graphyx | Conway, AR |
| 20:00.27 | graphyx | where we live currently |
| 20:00.39 | levi | Is someone else paying to have them shipped? |
| 20:00.44 | graphyx | yes |
| 20:00.44 | sjansen | o/~ Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. ~/o |
| 20:00.46 | graphyx | my new company |
| 20:00.56 | levi | Nice. |
| 20:00.59 | findlay | yeah, Verdi's Messa da Requiem |
| 20:01.00 | graphyx | yep |
| 20:01.28 | levi | The Army gave a fixed weight-based moving allotment, so we'd always try to do it as cheaply as possible when I was growing up so that we'd make money on it. :P |
| 20:01.35 | levi | Meant lots of marathon road trips. |
| 20:01.42 | levi | Anyway, got to go to a meeting. |
| 20:02.23 | Jayce^ | ok, I'm trying to remember the name of something.. in the email foo+bar@example.com what is the +bar section called, specifically the + |
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| 20:08.33 | elg | it's called a plus sign |
| 20:08.50 | Jayce^ | ~lart elg |
| 20:08.50 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps elg |
| 20:09.03 | elg | i think I've most often heard it referred to as the "percent hack" and then later the "plus hack" |
| 20:09.50 | Sargun | hey |
| 20:10.03 | findlay | ~hey |
| 20:10.05 | ibot | [hey] almost for horses |
| 20:10.10 | findlay | ~hay |
| 20:10.11 | ibot | hay is, like, what is what troy will roll in (zee of), and also what horses eat |
| 20:10.24 | elg | levi: nasal is a fun little embedding language |
| 20:10.28 | elg | http://www.plausible.org/nasal/doc.html |
| 20:10.44 | elg | it's what flightgear uses in its config files, e.g. for aircraft, joysticks, etc. |
| 20:11.11 | elg | I've been getting down and dirty with a new joystick and so just got really familiar with the little language |
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| 20:24.40 | graphyx | seems unfortunate that it is so close to nasl |
| 20:24.52 | graphyx | nessus attack scripting language. |
| 20:25.07 | herlo | nasl sucks |
| 20:25.29 | graphyx | unless you want to code nessus plugins |
| 20:25.34 | graphyx | then you don't have much choice. |
| 20:26.19 | graphyx | ~temporarytroll herlo |
| 20:26.36 | graphyx | ~troll herlo temporarily |
| 20:26.38 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares herlo temporarily a troll |
| 20:27.04 | graphyx | that worked better than I though. |
| 20:27.16 | herlo | ~herlo graphyx |
| 20:27.18 | ibot | ACTION pokes graphyx in the eye with a sharp needle |
| 20:29.16 | graphyx | jsmith-lab10-1: what are you doing that requires your handle to include updates like that? |
| 20:31.43 | herlo | jsmith-lab10-1: are you trying to twitterize your nick? |
| 20:31.57 | findlay | ha |
| 20:38.25 | jsmith-lab10-1 | graphyx, herlo: Letting my co-workers know where we're at in the material |
| 20:38.59 | goozbach | sincronized teaching? |
| 20:39.08 | goozbach | gurus, you watching this? |
| 20:39.11 | goozbach | that could be fun. |
| 20:40.02 | jsmith-lab10-1 | It wouldn't be that hard, barring hardware problems |
| 20:40.10 | jsmith-lab10-1 | Our class is more hardware-intensive than most |
| 20:40.48 | herlo | goozbach: in what way? |
| 20:41.33 | goozbach | herlo: it's just to keep track |
| 20:42.06 | goozbach | a little bargraph on a website somewhere documenting where in the class you are in relation to other instructors in your same timezone |
| 20:42.10 | herlo | ~lart Tene and take his money back |
| 20:42.10 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down Tene and take his money back's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 20:42.37 | goozbach | "hurry and finsh the labs students, so we might beat clint and his class to the donuts in the breakroom" |
| 20:42.49 | rsimpkins | So for you pg fanboys out there... http://tweakers.net/reviews/657/5 |
| 20:43.39 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, nice timing, just looking at some new hardware for pg |
| 20:51.50 | Supaplex | Jayce^: find anything spiffy? |
| 20:59.17 | levi | elg: I take issue with the author's statement that scheme, lua, and tcl only support minimal features and are not "fun". :P |
| 21:00.09 | tensai | elg: in mon, is there a way to create variables so I don't have to type in my email address everywhere? |
| 21:00.45 | elg | tensai: I used a macro preprocessing step iirc |
| 21:00.52 | elg | m4 or whatever the hated sendmail macro thingi s |
| 21:00.58 | tensai | uh, yuck |
| 21:01.00 | elg | but you could use C preprocessor |
| 21:01.03 | elg | or whatever |
| 21:01.25 | elg | mon has on-the-fly m4 processing, so you don't have to have an extra step |
| 21:01.36 | tensai | yeah, I see now that the init script looks for mon.cf.m4 |
| 21:02.54 | levi | elg: Nasal looks reasonable, but unremarkable at first glance. |
| 21:03.15 | elg | yes, unremarkable is a plus in an embedded language |
| 21:03.39 | levi | Except I don't see how it's particularly more featureful than lua or scheme. |
| 21:04.02 | elg | usability is a feature too |
| 21:04.12 | elg | I don't know if every statement he makes is 100% true |
| 21:04.39 | elg | i just know it's a javascripty simple language with no surprises and not quite enough documentation |
| 21:04.48 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:05.40 | elg | and first-class functions (I think javascript has those too) and lexical scope |
| 21:06.41 | levi | Lua has all that, too. It doesn't have OO built-in, javascript has an unconventional OO model anyway. |
| 21:07.23 | levi | Plus, Lua actually has reference manuals and has been used in many real applications, including lots of games. |
| 21:08.43 | levi | I mean, I think it's cool that the guy wrote his own language, but writing an unremarkable language for fun is one thing, foisting it upon the world as an embedded language in a game is quite another. But I guess it's not a big deal, especially since you seem to be finding it pleasant. :) |
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| 21:14.44 | levi | Apparently my computer at home got rebooted. |
| 21:14.57 | Tene | I did it. |
| 21:15.10 | sjansen | Jayce^: Did you get an answer to your + question? |
| 21:15.36 | Tene | sjansen: I didn't see one. |
| 21:17.05 | findlay | how do you find out the processor specs on a windows box? |
| 21:17.21 | Tene | findlay: right-click on "my computer" and choose 'properties' |
| 21:17.26 | Tene | that will have a few details |
| 21:17.34 | Tene | speed, at least |
| 21:17.52 | Tene | beyond that, look in the device manager. There *might* be more info there. I'm not certain. |
| 21:18.03 | findlay | there's not :-) |
| 21:18.17 | findlay | you can uninstall the 'driver' for the cpu though :) |
| 21:18.20 | Tene | didn't think so. |
| 21:20.08 | sjansen | Postfix calls it a recipient_delimiter |
| 21:28.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, thanks, that'll help google. |
| 21:34.10 | elg | no it won't, google mostly ignores us |
| 21:34.13 | tensai | findlay: get infected with a virus and count how many Spams Per Second (SPS) your machine can send |
| 21:34.15 | elg | you have to dig to find these logs |
| 21:34.27 | tensai | SPS is the new defacto Windows benchmarking figure |
| 21:34.41 | elg | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/london/6750149.stm |
| 21:34.43 | brac | [BBC NEWS | England | London | Calls for new 2012 logo rejected] |
| 21:35.47 | rsimpkins | elg: that logo stinks. |
| 21:35.57 | elg | it more than stinks |
| 21:36.04 | sjansen | it's obscene |
| 21:36.12 | rsimpkins | elg: But soemone needs to go down in history as having the worst logo of all time. |
| 21:36.17 | rsimpkins | So why not the brits? |
| 21:36.35 | sjansen | four words: lisa simpson lewd act |
| 21:37.02 | rsimpkins | The little signs that were responsible for the bomb scare, that were shoing an 'obscene' jesture, are better than that logo. |
| 21:37.16 | bonez44 | sjansen, aren't those four words incongruent? |
| 21:37.31 | elg | not in that logo they're not |
| 21:37.34 | sjansen | No, the describe the London logo. |
| 21:37.47 | elg | "What is clear about the brand is that it is meant to be a multi-media attraction" |
| 21:38.13 | rsimpkins | Whoever is in charge needs to do some firing. |
| 21:38.15 | bonez44 | what is the logo in question? I visited that link you posted...elg |
| 21:38.30 | elg | that's the one |
| 21:38.35 | elg | the london 2012 olympics |
| 21:38.35 | jlp_work | I'm trying to figure out why they used "207.2" |
| 21:39.16 | rsimpkins | http://www.london2012.com/ |
| 21:39.24 | rsimpkins | It looks like a design for a kids show. |
| 21:39.32 | rsimpkins | My 2 year old might like it, but probably not. |
| 21:40.11 | rsimpkins | It seriously hurts my eyes looking at that page. |
| 21:40.18 | sjansen | bonez44: The only way to follow is either A) Have a dirty mind. B) Have is spelled out more clearly than I'm willing to. |
| 21:40.24 | rsimpkins | brignt pink on bright yellow. sheesh. |
| 21:41.09 | sjansen | I didn't actually come up with the Lisa Simpson comment. I just saw it on a web site somewhere. Sadly, it's now too late to erase. |
| 21:41.27 | tensai | makes you wonder what the other submitted logos looked like |
| 21:41.28 | levi | sjansen: Likewise. |
| 21:42.29 | rsimpkins | Just about any of these are better: http://www.london2012.com/joinin/create/gallery/index.htm |
| 21:43.00 | Tene | Yeah, I really like "The page cannot be found" |
| 21:43.08 | Tene | "Please try the following" is pretty great too. |
| 21:44.29 | elg | sjansen: ditto |
| 21:45.01 | rsimpkins | ~lart london 2012 olympic logo |
| 21:45.02 | ibot | cuts london 2012 olympic logo into thin stripes |
| 21:45.24 | rsimpkins | That's not good enough. It looks basically the same. |
| 21:45.25 | rsimpkins | ~lart london 2012 olympic logo |
| 21:45.25 | ibot | cuts london 2012 olympic logo into thin stripes |
| 21:45.36 | rsimpkins | I give up. |
| 21:46.35 | bonez44 | sjansen, i guess i need to smoke more weed or drink more or drop more acid..I can't conjure up anythgn of the sort mentioned in the news |
| 21:49.07 | levi | Aww, Mr. Wizard died! |
| 21:55.16 | elg | probably saw the logo |
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| 22:04.34 | ^Migs^ | OLD |
| 22:07.33 | rsimpkins | I swear, more people in India sign up for plug.org accounts than anyone in Utah. |
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| 22:36.04 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 22:37.17 | Tene | rsimpkins: any idea why? |
| 22:37.53 | findlay | heh |
| 22:38.14 | findlay | nick125_lappy is Mr laugh and quit |
| 22:38.27 | findlay | ~nick125_lappy is Mr laugh and quit |
| 22:38.29 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 22:41.16 | beandog | heh |
| 22:41.17 | beandog | thats great. |
| 22:41.23 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 22:41.24 | ibot | from memory, beandog is cool, or one cool cat who has a sweet ride and likes to think he can drive. a dork PoeticIntensity's secret gay lover. |
| 22:41.40 | beandog | thats slightly odd. |
| 22:43.00 | findlay | ibot: no, beandog is the gentoo guru |
| 22:43.02 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 22:43.05 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 22:43.07 | ibot | i guess beandog is the gentoo guru |
| 22:43.09 | beandog | huzzah! |
| 22:43.35 | beandog | btw, my daily PSA. Harry Potter 1 is playing for free tonight at 6p |
| 22:43.42 | beandog | Columbus Center in SLC |
| 22:43.43 | beandog | woots. |
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| 22:57.35 | elg | speaking of pot, when do the movie/book (did) come out? |
| 23:00.26 | beandog | uh |
| 23:00.29 | beandog | pretty soon, I think. |
| 23:00.35 | beandog | Usually they hit Thanksgiving |
| 23:00.42 | beandog | but I dont think they are waiting that long this time |
| 23:00.57 | elg | i thought the book at least was coming out june or july |
| 23:01.50 | beandog | ah geez, stupid moviefone borked the html. |
| 23:03.41 | beandog | I really love how they let you rate movies before they are even released. :B |
| 23:04.13 | beandog | "Yah, I already saw it ... in my head!" |
| 23:07.27 | rsimpkins | Tene: plug.org.in is why. |
| 23:07.56 | rsimpkins | I e-mailed the guys in the India LUG. They admitted it was a problem, and have done everything they can to inform their members of the issue. It still happens though. |
| 23:08.46 | rsimpkins | It's them trying to get more bang out of it. Which I fully understand. |
| 23:09.01 | Tene | howso? |
| 23:09.17 | rsimpkins | If you only have one TLD and lots and lots of demand you want to great it up. |
| 23:09.30 | rsimpkins | maybe .org. and .com. are bad choices tho. |
| 23:09.33 | Tene | "great it up"? |
| 23:09.50 | beandog | Tene: huh? same names? |
| 23:09.51 | rsimpkins | sorry - i'm tired. been on call this week. :S |
| 23:10.27 | rsimpkins | India only has .in. That's it. That's all it directly controlls. |
| 23:10.38 | rsimpkins | It can't make more like the US can. |
| 23:10.40 | findlay | can you have a bare .in? |
| 23:10.47 | findlay | like plug.in? |
| 23:10.49 | beandog | oh |
| 23:10.50 | beandog | right. |
| 23:10.53 | beandog | that is lame. |
| 23:10.54 | rsimpkins | So it has to make an SLD to expand your horizon. |
| 23:10.56 | beandog | stupid USA. |
| 23:11.21 | rsimpkins | beandog: then you only get .ca - thanks for playing. |
| 23:11.25 | beandog | sweet. |
| 23:11.32 | rsimpkins | I deal with a lot of international domains here. |
| 23:11.46 | rsimpkins | Some allow you tld domains as well as SLDs. |
| 23:12.00 | rsimpkins | So omniture.jp and omniture.co.jp for example |
| 23:12.10 | rsimpkins | I think .co is a good example of the right way to do it. |
| 23:12.19 | rsimpkins | omniture.co doesn't go anyplace. |
| 23:12.48 | rsimpkins | the us domain is pretty big. |
| 23:12.57 | rsimpkins | Not as big as .com, but pretty big. |
| 23:13.30 | findlay | so if I go to http://us/ will it bring me up a directory of the whole dimaoin? |
| 23:13.41 | findlay | s/dimaoin/domain/ |
| 23:14.03 | rsimpkins | If you could transfer the entire domain you could dig it. ;) That'd be one huge transfer. |
| 23:14.42 | findlay | Unable to determine IP address from host name for us |
| 23:14.45 | findlay | :( |
| 23:15.19 | rsimpkins | findlay: most keep a nic... www.nic.us ... www.nic.se, etc |
| 23:16.18 | findlay | .US is America's Internet Address! |
| 23:16.46 | rsimpkins | Yeah, domains is where the dirty money starts to flow. |
| 23:16.49 | rsimpkins | No doubt about it. |
| 23:17.11 | rsimpkins | You give the contract for x new domain to the guy who gives you the most kickbacks. |
| 23:17.11 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 23:17.32 | rsimpkins | .us is managed by neustar |
| 23:17.34 | findlay | heh |
| 23:17.55 | findlay | so much for the intarwebs beeing autonomous |
| 23:18.06 | findlay | or that's an indication of true autonominity |
| 23:18.10 | findlay | ? |
| 23:18.24 | rsimpkins | What is really freaky is dealing with all the gTLDs |
| 23:18.31 | rsimpkins | Sorry, I am tired. |
| 23:18.33 | rsimpkins | the ccTLDs |
| 23:18.53 | rsimpkins | Some of the ccTLDs are managed by a guy with an excel spreadsheet. |
| 23:19.00 | findlay | haha |
| 23:19.27 | rsimpkins | I better drive home before I am totally unable. |
| 23:19.28 | rsimpkins | later. |
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| 23:19.47 | findlay | laters |
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| 23:42.35 | Lakshmi_ | HIIII!!!!! |
| 23:42.57 | findlay | ~hi Lakshmi_ |
| 23:42.59 | ibot | Many greetings, Lakshmi_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 23:43.47 | Lakshmi_ | sup? |
| 23:43.54 | Lakshmi_ | where am i ? |
| 23:44.21 | findlay | Terra |
| 23:44.38 | findlay | it's in the Milky Way galaxy |
| 23:46.29 | Lakshmi_ | sounds good |
| 23:46.41 | Lakshmi_ | i blame sargun for this |
| 23:46.54 | findlay | silly Sargun |
| 23:47.47 | graphyx | he is responsible for lots of ill. |
| 23:51.59 | Lakshmi_ | he is |
| 23:52.20 | Lakshmi_ | are there like a million ppl here or what? |
| 23:52.28 | findlay | ~Sargun |
| 23:52.30 | ibot | methinks sargun is bored |
| 23:53.03 | Lakshmi_ | and why do u think that? |
| 23:55.15 | Lakshmi_ | ? |
| 23:55.53 | findlay | ibot: why? |
| 23:55.54 | ibot | Because! |
| 23:56.03 | findlay | ibot: because why? |
| 23:56.11 | Tene | There are precisely one million people here, Lakshmi_! |
| 23:56.27 | findlay | Tene: wow, coolerz! |
| 23:56.33 | Lakshmi_ | tene sweet i knew it ! |
| 23:56.50 | Lakshmi_ | ibot why does u think sargun is bored? |
| 23:56.53 | ibot | Lakshmi_: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:56.54 | Tene | findlay: there's a giraffe on top of my left monitor. |
| 23:57.03 | findlay | ibot: because why is because because |
| 23:57.05 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:57.15 | findlay | ~because why is because because |
| 23:57.17 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:57.24 | Tene | ibot: ibot findlay |
| 23:57.26 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to findlay. |
| 23:57.27 | findlay | ibot: l4m3r |
| 23:57.29 | ibot | rumour has it, l4m3r is Gnurdux's BEST FRIEND |
| 23:57.30 | Lakshmi_ | ibot u should stop repearting ureself |
| 23:57.41 | findlay | ibot: yeah |
| 23:57.42 | ibot | [yeah] YEAH |
| 23:58.00 | findlay | Tene: is it a giraffe-2.0? |
| 23:58.12 | findlay | ~ibot |
| 23:58.14 | ibot | i guess ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 23:58.38 | Tene | findlay: perhaps. it's inanimate, soft, and filled with cotton. |
| 23:58.49 | findlay | Tene: sounds like fun |
