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| 01:15.40 | mheath | grr. I hate you, comcast! |
| 01:15.55 | mheath | This is a joke |
| 01:15.58 | mheath | This is a freakin joke |
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| 01:18.14 | mheath | Wow. |
| 01:18.26 | mheath | I'm getting charged for a comcast account thats impossible to cancel. |
| 01:19.07 | mheath | Literally impossible to cancel |
| 01:19.41 | mheath | Its so screwed up, any information I give them on the phone leads me in circles until I'm ultimately disconnected by an automated thing in their phone system |
| 01:19.52 | mheath | Trying to cancel my old account in the military base back in Charleston |
| 01:20.07 | mheath | But on base, we didn't work with comcast directly; they had a kind of liason that came out to base and signed people up |
| 01:20.25 | mheath | They track everything by phone number in their system when you call them up |
| 01:20.38 | mheath | And this lady, for my account, apparently entered my phone number as 555-5555. |
| 01:21.03 | mheath | So once I'm done talking to someone and explaining the situation to them, they say "Oh, someone else has to handle this" and attempts to transfer me |
| 01:21.15 | mheath | And then their system proceeds to freak out about the 555-5555 phone number |
| 01:21.23 | mheath | And either bring up someone elses account info |
| 01:21.27 | mheath | Or disconnect me |
| 01:22.37 | elg | do you pay by credit card? |
| 01:23.02 | mheath | No |
| 01:27.33 | Tene | Do you pay through a livestock bartering system? |
| 01:32.03 | mheath | Heh. I pay by check |
| 01:32.16 | mheath | Do places like that keep old checks / old check info in their system? |
| 01:32.19 | mheath | Maybe I can just ignore it |
| 01:32.25 | mheath | They don't have anything on me other than a name |
| 01:32.33 | mheath | no address, no phone number, no social security number.. |
| 01:33.31 | elg | send them a letter saying you are canceling your accuont and you will not pay |
| 01:33.34 | Tene | mheath: how many people do you share a name with? |
| 01:33.34 | elg | keep a copy |
| 01:38.39 | elg | tensai: slab poured and handprinted |
| 01:39.46 | mheath | CHRIST |
| 01:39.54 | mheath | I JUST SPELT MY LAST NAME PHONETICALLY FOR THIS COMCAST GUY 8 TIMES |
| 01:40.02 | mheath | "WAS THAT....E..A...T...H?" |
| 01:40.14 | mheath | NO. THERES AN H INFRONT OF IT. HOTEL. ECHO. ALPHA. TANGO. HOTEL. |
| 01:40.23 | mheath | "WAIT...WHAT WAS THAT |
| 01:42.11 | mheath | GRRR. |
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| 02:44.06 | mheath | Yah |
| 02:44.26 | mheath | People who grossly abuse a tricare policy to be able to charge me money when I'm supposed to have 100% coverage! |
| 02:44.53 | mheath | Why is our medical system so messed up? |
| 02:46.12 | calvarez | Im in yr cuontry, killin ur taxes |
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| 02:47.05 | mheath | Seriously |
| 02:47.14 | mheath | I have over $250 in doctor bills to pay |
| 02:47.16 | calvarez | the comcast thing sucks man |
| 02:47.19 | calvarez | argh |
| 02:47.24 | mheath | When I was a member of the US military and supposed to have 100% of it paid for |
| 02:47.35 | mheath | Because the medical providers abused some stupid loophole in the system |
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| 02:48.43 | mheath | Why are there no politicians who are good, honest individuals who fairly and accurately represent the interests of those they are supposed to be representing? |
| 02:50.30 | calvarez | there are none |
| 02:50.59 | calvarez | you can't rise to a prominent position in politics w/o owing favors to private interests |
| 02:51.22 | calvarez | there are no "Mr. Smith goes to Washington"'s anymore |
| 02:51.31 | calvarez | No, Obama isn't either |
| 02:51.35 | calvarez | neither Ron Paul |
| 02:51.39 | calvarez | nor Romney |
| 02:53.12 | calvarez | just pick the lesser evil, that's the only way to vote |
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| 03:27.10 | nick125_lappy | it's really awesome to get out of class an hour early. |
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| 04:25.20 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 04:26.08 | tensai | -lart elg |
| 04:28.51 | elg | one week from tonight, brick oven pizza |
| 04:31.49 | elg | levi_home: hey, that derivatives of regexes paper looks interesting, if you have access to it on ACM I'd love a peek |
| 04:31.54 | elg | (LtU) |
| 04:32.39 | elg | why in the world would they expend the effort to port safari to windows? |
| 04:33.13 | elg | the only thing to set it apart from firefox is macness, and anyone still using windows has an irrational hatred of macs |
| 04:35.12 | nick125_lappy | Maybe they were bored and wanted something to do? |
| 04:36.58 | elg | :) |
| 04:37.03 | elg | masochists |
| 04:37.22 | elg | that's all I can say about anyone who works with MFC for fun |
| 04:59.28 | Supaplex | http://kevininscoe.com/pub/WhatOldPeopleDoForFun.mpeg |
| 05:09.24 | mheath | http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/12/0120230&from=rss |
| 05:09.30 | mheath | I hate sensationalist slashdot articles |
| 05:09.46 | mheath | OMG, you mean something marked as BETA actually _broke_??! |
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| 06:03.50 | findlay | ~onjoin elg -google x-plane linux |
| 06:03.50 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 06:03.56 | findlay | ~onjoin elg |
| 06:03.57 | ibot | onjoin for elg set by findlay on Tue Jun 12 00:03:50 2007: -google x-plane linux |
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| 06:46.08 | findlay | ~Supaplex yesterday |
| 06:46.56 | Supaplex | wut :) |
| 07:16.57 | Sargun | hey |
| 07:18.52 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: Help me with this person: 01:14 < Blue89> actually, I like gtkmozembed |
| 07:19.26 | Tene | ~mheath |
| 07:19.28 | ibot | it has been said that mheath is half Marine, half civilian. The hanousness can't quite take over.... |
| 07:20.14 | Sargun | gtkmozembed? |
| 07:20.15 | Sargun | help how? |
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| 12:30.19 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSBKK2190920070611 |
| 12:31.20 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSPEK16970120070611 |
| 12:45.25 | ^Migs^ | nice: http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/06/11/digital-camera-wi-fi-memory-card-coming-soon/ |
| 12:45.28 | ^Migs^ | A soon-to-be released Secure Digital (SD) memory card with built in Wi-Fi networking will allow digital cameras to automatically upload images to home computers and photo sharing web sites. |
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| 14:53.26 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 14:54.36 | ^Migs^ | seriously, I don't think anything can get more "realistic" than Falcon 4.0 |
| 14:55.21 | ^Migs^ | as far as controls go |
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| 15:04.50 | ^Migs^ | so this flight sim has pretty much the entire earth? |
| 15:06.37 | sjansen | Discovered a fun network problem: someone changed the MAC on 2 student machines to FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF. |
| 15:07.11 | Jayce^ | that was *after* you got in the building? :) |
| 15:08.30 | sjansen | Jayce^: Actually, I never got into the building. Stupid security. |
| 15:17.37 | raventh1 | what's a good gnupg client for windows that's easy to use without using a cli (non-literate person usage) |
| 15:17.40 | raventh1 | any ideas ? |
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| 15:23.01 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
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| 15:26.34 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 15:28.43 | raventh1 | -google gnupg windows |
| 15:28.44 | brac | gnupg windows: http://www.gnupg.org/download/ |
| 15:28.51 | raventh1 | brac: UR FACE |
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| 15:38.12 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 15:39.47 | elg | silly bot |
| 15:39.50 | elg | it's not the _first_ hit |
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| 16:00.38 | mheath | Morning |
| 16:00.53 | harleypig | It is? |
| 16:01.36 | mheath | Yep. |
| 16:01.54 | mheath | I know, hard to believe...I'm sure you had a late night drinking and corousing (spelling?) with the women.\ |
| 16:02.18 | harleypig | Two of them even. |
| 16:02.38 | mheath | Ah. Even better.\ |
| 16:02.58 | mheath | Bah, trying to fill out this FAFSA and I have no idea what to put here.. |
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| 16:23.42 | {-} | ~hug vmware |
| 16:23.44 | ibot | ACTION hugs vmware |
| 16:24.07 | mheath | Hehe, yep :) |
| 16:24.08 | graphyx | Is this a virtual sjansen? |
| 16:24.16 | mheath | This sjansen doesn't really exit :) |
| 16:25.10 | mheath | *exist |
| 16:25.16 | mheath | Its like the matrix. |
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| 16:28.29 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 16:34.33 | mheath | man, why does WindowMaker lack decent themability? |
| 16:35.17 | levi | Because it's supposed to look like NeXT. That was the entire point of it. |
| 16:36.17 | mheath | Meh. |
| 16:36.29 | mheath | Has anyone else seen this project: http://www.wine-doors.org/ |
| 16:36.31 | brac | [Wine doors] |
| 16:36.39 | mheath | Looks really promising and neat to me |
| 16:38.00 | ^Migs^ | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2516398 |
| 16:38.02 | brac | [Keep you mouth shut or Why I'm sleeping on the couch - The Something Awful Forums] |
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| 17:06.35 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 17:16.43 | tensai | ~find parser.h |
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| 17:34.05 | TimRiker | ~lart {-} |
| 17:34.05 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of {-} |
| 17:34.16 | {-} | ~thank TimRiker |
| 17:34.16 | ibot | de rien, {-} |
| 17:34.44 | {|} | hmm |
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| 18:08.24 | {-} | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~````` |
| 18:08.35 | ^Migs^ | http://planrawsto.blolol.com/Pix/dividedbyzero.JPG |
| 18:23.55 | graphyx | thats a good one |
| 18:27.43 | Tene | pretty mediocre, IMO |
| 18:30.49 | ^Migs^ | I thought it sucked giant turkey chunks |
| 18:31.55 | findlay | -rot0000000000000 rot |
| 18:32.01 | graphyx | I had previously decided to avoid the cafeteria because the good was expensive. |
| 18:32.03 | findlay | hm |
| 18:32.05 | graphyx | I have changed my mind |
| 18:32.08 | findlay | -rot0000000000001 rot |
| 18:32.25 | graphyx | I now avoid the cafeteria because the food tastes horrible. |
| 18:35.17 | fozzmoo | {-}: Oh. You. Hi. |
| 18:35.30 | findlay | -hi {-} |
| 18:35.30 | brac | hey findlay :) |
| 18:35.35 | findlay | ~hi {-} |
| 18:35.37 | ibot | Many greetings, {-}, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 18:35.47 | findlay | ~hello {-} |
| 18:46.32 | elg | -lart punctuation people |
| 18:48.32 | mrpull | whoa. when did fark get redesigned? |
| 18:49.39 | graphyx | should I admit to knowing? |
| 18:49.41 | graphyx | 2 months |
| 18:50.03 | mrpull | that must be good news for me, I haven't been killing time like I am today for around 2 months |
| 18:50.18 | mrpull | you know those last 3-4 hours at work before a long vacation? |
| 18:50.32 | graphyx | you know those last 2 days before leaving a company? |
| 18:50.51 | mrpull | yeah. those are much harder. |
| 18:51.02 | graphyx | Thursday is my last day |
| 18:51.37 | mrpull | moving on to something better? |
| 18:51.54 | mrpull | you are the CISSP right? |
| 18:53.58 | graphyx | yeah |
| 18:54.11 | graphyx | l-3 communications |
| 18:54.19 | graphyx | network security architecture |
| 18:55.49 | mrpull | congrats! |
| 18:55.59 | mrpull | where in the country? |
| 18:58.22 | graphyx | slc |
| 18:59.56 | mrpull | for a long time, I thought Level 3 and L-3 were the same company. |
| 19:00.02 | mrpull | I don't know much about L-3 |
| 19:00.14 | graphyx | L-3 is a defence contractor |
| 19:00.19 | graphyx | doing lots of stuff |
| 19:00.29 | graphyx | but mainly with communications equipment. |
| 19:00.44 | graphyx | I will be working in the advanced networking lab. |
| 19:01.08 | mrpull | sounds like a great gig |
| 19:01.19 | graphyx | I certainly hope and expect so. |
| 19:01.28 | graphyx | I am excited about it. |
| 19:01.45 | ^Migs^ | sounds kind of boring |
| 19:01.49 | graphyx | Will be a new area for me as I haven't done any real deep coding since I went to school |
| 19:02.00 | graphyx | ~troll ^Migs^ |
| 19:02.02 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares ^Migs^ a troll |
| 19:02.08 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 19:02.11 | ^Migs^ | that was just my opinion |
| 19:02.16 | ^Migs^ | feel free to disagree |
| 19:02.52 | jsmith | graphyx: Congrats! |
| 19:02.58 | graphyx | I suppose if you don't care for security work it could be borring. |
| 19:03.05 | graphyx | but I am very much into security stuff |
| 19:03.25 | graphyx | I will be one of the first team members to the network security architecture team there. |
| 19:03.26 | ^Migs^ | I'm not |
| 19:03.39 | ^Migs^ | my apps are so unsecure a deranged chihuahua could hack them |
| 19:03.58 | graphyx | which apps are yours? |
| 19:04.14 | graphyx | shall I try to get some street cred by breaking them? |
| 19:04.19 | ^Migs^ | google.com |
| 19:04.30 | ^Migs^ | oh you wouldn't get street cred |
| 19:04.59 | ^Migs^ | probably triumphant shouts and applause instead |
| 19:07.25 | graphyx | jsmith: thanks. |
| 19:07.48 | graphyx | I put my resume in thinking that I didn't meet the requirements in the least. |
| 19:08.00 | goozbach | so I guess I'm presenting as OSCON |
| 19:08.02 | graphyx | but got a second and an offer, so I suppose that I did well enough. |
| 19:08.18 | mrpull | goozbach: what topic? |
| 19:08.36 | goozbach | XEN |
| 19:09.39 | mrpull | cool. I haven't followed XEN much in the recent past. Do they have anything like VMWare's VI3 in the pipeline? |
| 19:11.36 | Tene | xen++ |
| 19:11.40 | Tene | mrpull: what's VI3? |
| 19:12.38 | findlay | does anybody know if you can mount a windows directory as a drive letter? |
| 19:12.53 | goozbach | Tene: xensource has a product quite similar to that |
| 19:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ^Migs^, I have a link for you! |
| 19:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://omg.yahoo.com/ |
| 19:13.44 | mrpull | vi3 is just the brand name for a bunch of tools for vmware - the HA tools, distributed load balancing tools, management tools... |
| 19:13.55 | ^Migs^ | what's this? |
| 19:14.02 | mrpull | findlay: you can |
| 19:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea. |
| 19:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But I imagine you'll like it. |
| 19:14.22 | findlay | mrpull: do you know how to do it, or know where I can learn how to do it? |
| 19:14.25 | ^Migs^ | why would I like it? |
| 19:14.31 | ^Migs^ | it looks like it's all about celebrities. |
| 19:14.42 | ^Migs^ | I don't care about celebrities, unless they're being ridiculed. |
| 19:14.49 | findlay | ^Migs^: you *will* like it |
| 19:15.00 | ^Migs^ | oh okay, in that case... |
| 19:15.03 | mrpull | I just saw a mention of it recently. I haven't done it. |
| 19:15.14 | mrpull | http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-windows-download/mount-any-folder-as-a-hard-drive-with-visual-subst-262214.php |
| 19:15.18 | mrpull | I guess that is one way |
| 19:15.24 | findlay | thanks mrpull |
| 19:15.38 | mrpull | http://www.codejacked.com/quick-tip-assign-a-drive-letter-to-a-folder-windows/ |
| 19:15.42 | mrpull | is another |
| 19:17.34 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281092,00.html |
| 19:17.44 | mrpull | ScytheBlade1: your link has a "Java with the stars" section |
| 19:17.54 | mrpull | I'd prefer they focus on Ruby or Python |
| 19:17.59 | ^Migs^ | subst has been a part of DOS for years |
| 19:18.13 | ^Migs^ | is Visual Subst basically just a GUI version oft hat? |
| 19:18.14 | mrpull | but Nichole Richie (any relationship to Denis) and Java are sure to go well together |
| 19:18.18 | ^Migs^ | s/oft hat/of that/ |
| 19:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | mrpull, I just saw the logo, thought "Migs", closed the page and linked it. ;) |
| 19:18.24 | mrpull | ^Migs^: Exactly |
| 19:18.43 | ^Migs^ | that page loads slow in my Firefox |
| 19:18.52 | ^Migs^ | I'm still baffled why you thought I'd like it |
| 19:19.12 | ^Migs^ | I prefer techie news more than anything |
| 19:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just the kind of thing I can see you linking. Due to the domain and the logo graphic alone. |
| 19:19.22 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 19:19.33 | ^Migs^ | well, i DO link a ton |
| 19:20.25 | ^Migs^ | Windows already has that drive mapping tool, though |
| 19:20.31 | ^Migs^ | visual subst seems completely pointless |
| 19:20.48 | ^Migs^ | unless it also can mount disk images |
| 19:21.04 | mrpull | ^Migs^: it is totally just a wrapper for subst |
| 19:21.08 | mrpull | just like you said |
| 19:21.25 | mrpull | knowing findlay, I'm sure he'll get by with the CLI version |
| 19:21.28 | ^Migs^ | lame |
| 19:21.37 | ^Migs^ | well |
| 19:21.56 | ^Migs^ | no, it is lame. Since the functionality already exists in native Windows. |
| 19:22.22 | mrpull | yeah. all GUI tools that make CLI programs more accessible to the layman are lame. |
| 19:22.41 | ^Migs^ | I take that back. I think the drive mapping in Windows is exclusive only to network drives |
| 19:23.06 | ^Migs^ | no, I said it was lame BECAUSE I thought there already WAS a native GUI tool |
| 19:23.08 | mrpull | ^Migs^: you can do: net use x: \\mypc'sname\c$\path\to\folder |
| 19:23.11 | mrpull | that'll work to |
| 19:23.17 | mrpull | but subst is the better tool for that |
| 19:23.21 | ^Migs^ | you're entirely missing the point |
| 19:23.53 | ^Migs^ | good grief, I retract everything I said in the past 5 minutes |
| 19:24.19 | mrpull | I just tried using the "map network drive" with \\mypc\c$\windows\ |
| 19:24.20 | mrpull | and that works |
| 19:24.25 | mrpull | so that is another way to do it |
| 19:24.26 | graphyx | "you know I've come to expect a lot more out of you. I'm going to have to speak to Bob about this." |
| 19:24.38 | mrpull | but it may go through CIFS which would be a waste |
| 19:24.43 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it is |
| 19:24.47 | ^Migs^ | so visual subst makes more sense for that |
| 19:25.15 | ^Migs^ | do you have to be sharing your local directories, though? |
| 19:25.35 | mrpull | c$ is always shared unless you explicitly tell it not to |
| 19:25.39 | ^Migs^ | oh, guess not |
| 19:25.54 | mrpull | but you |
| 19:26.05 | mrpull | 'd have to have permissions to get to them |
| 19:26.16 | ^Migs^ | k |
| 19:27.33 | goozbach | how exactly does one become an "accidental pornographer"? |
| 19:29.12 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 19:29.13 | rsimpkins | goozbach: wardrobe malfunction |
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| 19:30.02 | ^Migs^ | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MI_COUNTY_SCAMMED_MIOL-?SITE=MIDTF&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 19:31.11 | findlay | what's this C$? |
| 19:43.51 | goozbach | rsimpkins: I guess so |
| 19:44.23 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I say it in jest. I don't see how you can acciendtly start selling pornography and not know about it. |
| 19:44.43 | maquis | ~ping Tene |
| 19:44.45 | ibot | pong Tene |
| 19:45.00 | findlay | ~pong Tene |
| 19:45.02 | ibot | Tene: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:08.06 | findlay | wow, quicbooks is almost as evil as autocad |
| 20:08.35 | Jayce^ | quickbooks is very very evil.. |
| 20:08.43 | findlay | heh |
| 20:09.18 | Jayce^ | one of the worst things to hear from a client .. "Can you make that work with quickbooks?" |
| 20:09.25 | findlay | ouch |
| 20:09.35 | Jayce^ | the answer is.. "you can't" |
| 20:10.30 | findlay | yet there's no real alternative |
| 20:10.31 | herlo | Jayce^: the answer is, don't use Quickbooks |
| 20:10.40 | herlo | :) |
| 20:10.43 | findlay | probably the reason they've become so evil: laziness |
| 20:10.54 | findlay | just like autocad |
| 20:11.02 | Jayce^ | herlo, you learn quick |
| 20:11.26 | herlo | Jayce^: which is why I need to you bust more a$$ |
| 20:11.49 | findlay | herlo: you are certainly welcome to come tell my comapny that, but what are they going to use? |
| 20:11.51 | graphyx | wow, I was just thinking about you herlo |
| 20:13.27 | graphyx | game night happening? |
| 20:13.28 | herlo | graphyx: unknown, probably. I am in Ireland so I won't be there |
| 20:13.28 | findlay | if we got rid of quickbooks we could go to a full linux environment here |
| 20:13.28 | graphyx | herlo: the gurus sent you to ireland?? |
| 20:13.28 | graphyx | wow |
| 20:13.28 | herlo | findlay: use something else |
| 20:13.28 | graphyx | is it green there? |
| 20:13.28 | herlo | graphyx: yup |
| 20:13.28 | findlay | herlo: what else? |
| 20:13.28 | graphyx | slowbooks? |
| 20:13.31 | herlo | findlay: dunno, I think there is something like gnucash or something else... |
| 20:13.53 | herlo | I thought there might be another thing... |
| 20:13.55 | findlay | I'm sure gnucash will go over *really* well here |
| 20:14.52 | herlo | findlay: haha, I don't know but Quickbooks sucks and if its the best thing out there, life really sucks for your company... |
| 20:14.53 | Jayce^ | real accountants would like it :) |
| 20:15.24 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:15.38 | herlo | Jayce^: over things like peachtree? |
| 20:16.08 | findlay | I think mainly it would be 'gnucash doesn't have feature X' or 'gnucash is ugly' or 'gnucash is teh awful' |
| 20:16.30 | findlay | hard to explain some of the intangible benefits |
| 20:17.20 | herlo | findlay: you should start an FOSS project that implements all the features of Quickbooks and hten do more... |
| 20:17.30 | findlay | sure |
| 20:17.48 | findlay | I thought that's what we were waiting for Jayce^ to finish :) |
| 20:25.47 | rsimpkins | Isn't that what the open for biz project is doing? |
| 20:28.11 | fozzmoo | Yeah... in Java. |
| 20:28.23 | findlay | you mean this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz |
| 20:28.25 | brac | [SourceForge.net: The Apache Open For Business Project] |
| 20:28.36 | fozzmoo | SQL-Ledger is quite nice. |
| 20:28.45 | fozzmoo | It's nice in ways that Quickbooks/Quicken are not. |
| 20:28.50 | fozzmoo | Like double-column accounting. |
| 20:29.27 | findlay | well, I'd have to ascertain what my company's needs are before suggesting they drop one of their core apps |
| 20:29.30 | graphyx | fozzmoo: that reminded me of that one bad English quote. The dainty boat floated gracefully across the lake exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't. |
| 20:29.52 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:29.52 | rsimpkins | I hate spam that starts with 'Random User who has a working Linux system sitting in ...' |
| 20:30.01 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, are you going to follow the fork of ledger? |
| 20:30.15 | fozzmoo | There's a fork? I guess I'm not. |
| 20:30.41 | fozzmoo | Hopefully the fork is going to implement a sensible templating system. :) |
| 20:30.52 | fozzmoo | The UI extensibility is the big drawback to SQL-L |
| 20:31.04 | fozzmoo | Or the lack thereof, rather. |
| 20:31.58 | findlay | somebody make it so I don't have to deal with quickbooks |
| 20:32.17 | findlay | herlo: I'll pay you $5 to come do it |
| 20:32.42 | findlay | and maybe a bonus if you get it done today, like another $1.50 |
| 20:33.09 | herlo | herlo: try $1000000 and we'll talk |
| 20:33.40 | graphyx | what is that one site? |
| 20:33.42 | findlay | ok, I'll dcc it to you |
| 20:34.01 | graphyx | open source ransom where you can pledge an amount to go to a project once completed? |
| 20:34.08 | graphyx | open source bounty? |
| 20:34.17 | graphyx | perhaps you should put your money on there. |
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| 20:34.28 | findlay | haha |
| 20:34.36 | findlay | The 2006 Open For Business Users Conference was held in Ephraim, UT, USA |
| 20:35.08 | findlay | ofb must really be happening if they can get a conference booked in the exciting town of Ephraim, UT, USA |
| 20:35.11 | findlay | haha |
| 20:36.32 | beandog | heh |
| 20:38.09 | findlay | herlo: I think we shoud move UTOS to Ephraim next year! |
| 20:38.26 | herlo | findlay: why? |
| 20:38.48 | findlay | there's plenty of accomodation, just set up your tent out on the cattle range |
| 20:39.06 | jlp_work | there is a college there, you know |
| 20:39.15 | jlp_work | well |
| 20:39.16 | jlp_work | sort of |
| 20:39.17 | findlay | and ride your 4 wheeler in to town for meetings! |
| 20:39.27 | findlay | jlp_work: yeah, I know. I went there |
| 20:39.32 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 20:39.37 | findlay | :) |
| 20:40.26 | fozzmoo | Cattle Range? Try turkey farm. :) |
| 20:40.32 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:40.38 | herlo | http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/herlo/ |
| 20:41.27 | fozzmoo | What're we lookin at here, herlo? |
| 20:41.27 | herlo | fozzmoo: Ireland pics |
| 20:41.47 | fozzmoo | Oh. Ireland. Cool. |
| 20:41.48 | herlo | Dublin, and prior to that, when I saw the shuttle launch |
| 20:42.35 | fozzmoo | You almost got some nice legs in IMG_0582 |
| 20:42.53 | graphyx | no comments on the pictures?? |
| 20:42.55 | graphyx | worthless |
| 20:43.19 | herlo | fozzmoo: I have some that are private you might like then... |
| 20:43.23 | {sjansen} | I believe I can fly! |
| 20:43.30 | {sjansen} | I believe I can touch the sky! |
| 20:43.40 | fozzmoo | herlo: We'll talk... later. |
| 20:43.49 | herlo | fozzmoo: anytime |
| 20:43.56 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 20:44.02 | graphyx | fozzmoo: Are you trying to imply that he doesn't have nice legs when he took the others? |
| 20:44.16 | goozbach | I tell you, baseball chicks are HAWT |
| 20:44.31 | fozzmoo | Speak of the devil! |
| 20:44.34 | fozzmoo | goozbach is here. |
| 20:44.36 | herlo | goozbach: baseball chicks? |
| 20:44.41 | findlay | whatever |
| 20:44.44 | findlay | girls are evil |
| 20:44.50 | graphyx | I don't think his eye was on the ball in IMG_0469 either. |
| 20:45.21 | goozbach | I went to a braves game, and saw more skin than I did at the beach yesterday |
| 20:45.23 | {sjansen} | -urls |
| 20:45.25 | brac | [2007/06/12 14:40:39] <herlo> http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/herlo/ |
| 20:45.25 | brac | [2007/06/12 14:28:25] <findlay> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz |
| 20:45.25 | brac | [2007/06/12 13:30:05] <^Migs^> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MI_COUNTY_SCAMMED_MIOL-?SITE=MIDTF&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 20:45.25 | brac | [2007/06/12 13:17:37] <^Migs^> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281092,00.html |
| 20:45.48 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Did you ever get that job? |
| 20:45.53 | herlo | goozbach: I've never been to a braves game, I wish I could... |
| 20:46.22 | graphyx | so who is going to hook me up with some GL schwag? |
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| 20:46.36 | herlo | graphyx: like? |
| 20:46.39 | graphyx | shirt |
| 20:46.41 | herlo | graphyx: a job? |
| 20:46.49 | fozzmoo | I've got some paperclips I took a couple years ago. |
| 20:46.52 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:47.06 | beandog | mmm ... braves games |
| 20:47.06 | herlo | graphyx: we'll see |
| 20:47.06 | {sjansen} | http://static.zooomr.com/images/2425732_efc23fbfce_m.jpg |
| 20:47.07 | findlay | I bet I can get you {sjansen}'s signature |
| 20:47.14 | {sjansen} | Beware the Angry Clint! |
| 20:47.14 | beandog | Ive been to countless ones of those. |
| 20:47.20 | {sjansen} | Angry Clint cometh! |
| 20:47.25 | fozzmoo | countless ones |
| 20:47.26 | herlo | {sjansen}: ?? |
| 20:47.31 | fozzmoo | That'd be an awesome band name. |
| 20:47.45 | beandog | agreed |
| 20:47.46 | ^Migs^ | I'd buy concert tickets |
| 20:48.20 | {sjansen} | herlo: See the previous link. |
| 20:48.26 | ^Migs^ | I wish our school district could take a cue from this: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/25/1536219 |
| 20:48.51 | herlo | {sjansen}: you think I am angry there? |
| 20:49.14 | {sjansen} | If I could title it, I'd say "Lord Clint surveyed his kingdom with an evil delete. Blood would flow. All would respect Lord Clint." |
| 20:49.21 | herlo | {sjansen}: just wait til I get back and make you pay for not telling me everything I should know about Ireland |
| 20:49.34 | herlo | {sjansen}: okay, I take it back |
| 20:49.55 | fozzmoo | drive down the wrong side of the road, herlo? |
| 20:49.59 | rsimpkins | herlo: What's there to know about Ireland? |
| 20:50.01 | herlo | fozzmoo: nope |
| 20:50.14 | herlo | rsimpkins: its on the other side of the Atlantic ocean |
| 20:50.15 | graphyx | I liked it when lars called me lord of catan. |
| 20:50.20 | {sjansen} | What didn't I tell you? |
| 20:50.44 | {sjansen} | Apart from how to avoid the full cavity body search on entry to Ireland. |
| 20:51.10 | rsimpkins | {sjansen}: You can never be too careful with Americans. |
| 20:51.14 | herlo | {sjansen}: I thought it was on the re-entry into the US that I had to bend over |
| 20:51.41 | {sjansen} | Yeah, but that one's unavoidable. |
| 20:51.46 | fozzmoo | Ah, no. The US has never associated potential terror with Ireland. |
| 20:51.59 | herlo | {sjansen}: how to fricking get around from the airport to the hotel. I thought it'd be easy, and it wasn't soooo bad, but I thought I was going to be completely lost every second of the way... |
| 20:52.07 | herlo | even with a map, it doesn't help |
| 20:52.07 | fozzmoo | Ireland's always been full of peace-loving drunks. |
| 20:52.10 | graphyx | security screening isn't flight specific. |
| 20:52.29 | {sjansen} | herlo: *shrug* I warned you every online map I tried was useless. |
| 20:52.32 | herlo | fozzmoo: true |
| 20:52.49 | herlo | {sjansen}: true, but you didn't say that *every* map was useless |
| 20:53.01 | graphyx | google maps are messed up even? |
| 20:53.12 | fozzmoo | Too often, it is. |
| 20:53.18 | herlo | graphyx: its accurate, but confusing in ireland |
| 20:53.23 | {sjansen} | As for more tips than that? The best I could've done was say "you'd better have a good sense of direction and be able to use dead reckoning to get un-lost after a wrong turn". |
| 20:53.27 | fozzmoo | Google Maps seems to be the source of "the long way" to your destination. |
| 20:53.49 | {sjansen} | graphyx: In Ireland? Unless it's been added, most sites didn't even cover Ireland. Google included. |
| 20:53.52 | fozzmoo | Google needs a "minimize number of U-turns" checkbox. :) |
| 20:54.16 | findlay | ha |
| 20:54.34 | beandog | why not just take a taxi? |
| 20:54.47 | graphyx | cause you get to see more sites when you have a car |
| 20:54.48 | {sjansen} | Price. |
| 20:54.54 | fozzmoo | I'm sick of turning right at a light, driving a couple miles, doing a U-turn and then going back through the intersection I turned right from... where I could have just turned left. |
| 20:54.58 | {sjansen} | Sometimes taxis are cheaper. Sometimes they're not. |
| 20:55.01 | findlay | I'd like a much more open access to geo data, so I can write my own client |
| 20:55.04 | findlay | in perl! |
| 20:55.11 | beandog | I enjoy the game of life that comes free with riding in a taxi. |
| 20:55.18 | {sjansen} | fozzmoo: I haven't had a big problem with that. |
| 20:55.20 | goozbach | downtown San Fran is an example of "don't buy a rental or take a cab" |
| 20:55.36 | {sjansen} | Mostly just when they've got some crazy local laws like "no left turns from 8am-10am". |
| 20:55.54 | findlay | ooh, that sounds dumb |
| 20:56.07 | {sjansen} | findlay: You'll need more than geo data. You'll need road laws. |
| 20:56.15 | findlay | ick |
| 20:56.33 | findlay | just leave that all to the self-driving car |
| 20:56.45 | {sjansen} | One ways. Lanes that change direction at noon. You wouldn't believe the crazy variation in laws you'll find across the US. |
| 20:56.56 | findlay | so I can play Chinese checkers in the back like it shows in pop science magazines |
| 20:58.07 | {sjansen} | If I could improve one thing about Google Maps, it'd be adding lane information. |
| 20:58.27 | findlay | or Chinese checkers tips |
| 20:59.13 | fozzmoo | I love how Google Maps for Palm (on my Treo) has a splash screen that says, "Do not use while driving." |
| 20:59.15 | mrpull | I've got tom tom navigator for my phone... it has saved me dozens of hours when traveling by now |
| 20:59.16 | fozzmoo | That cracks me up. |
| 20:59.22 | {sjansen} | "Stay in the 3rd lane from the left. In 2 miles a lane will be added on the left and removed on the right. Then the road will split in 3 directions. If you're in the far left lanes you'll end up on the wrong road. If you're in the far right lanes you'll end up on the wrong road." |
| 20:59.26 | fozzmoo | Really shows someone at Google's got a great sense of humor. |
| 20:59.53 | {sjansen} | "Oh, who are we kidding. You're trying to navigate IAD, you'll end up on the wrong road no matter what." |
| 20:59.56 | mrpull | fozzmoo: even some of the car GPS navigators make you click through a screen that says don't use this while driving |
| 21:00.11 | findlay | dumb |
| 21:00.20 | fozzmoo | mrpull: Dax at GL showed me a demo of tomtom + Treo when he first got it. Pretty nice. |
| 21:00.32 | mrpull | it is well worth the money |
| 21:00.43 | mrpull | I think I spent less than 200 total on the package |
| 21:00.54 | mrpull | (but the phone was "free") |
| 21:01.01 | {sjansen} | "Do not use while driving in Boston. Better yet, don't drive in Boston. Don't say we didn't warn you." |
| 21:01.16 | fozzmoo | It amuses me that GPS systems have gotten MORE expensive as demand has increased. |
| 21:01.26 | fozzmoo | Natural, of course. |
| 21:01.32 | mrpull | they have gotten a lot more features lately |
| 21:01.47 | mrpull | the newest ones that speak the name of the road out loud are incredibly nice |
| 21:01.51 | fozzmoo | Yeah. So has MS-Word. :) |
| 21:02.06 | mrpull | but that takes lots of storage space |
| 21:02.12 | mrpull | and that contributes to the higher cost |
| 21:02.32 | mrpull | put it is true that I don't need yet another mp3 player |
| 21:02.50 | mrpull | or other useless features that are creeping in |
| 21:03.51 | mrpull | fozzmoo: the other thing to consider with the rising costs is the fact that the newer systems include a lot better map coverage than the older ones |
| 21:04.04 | mrpull | it used to be you'd get one state's worth included |
| 21:04.11 | fozzmoo | True |
| 21:04.23 | mrpull | but now you can get all of North America for the same price |
| 21:04.35 | {sjansen} | herlo: I don't remember authorizing you to reproduce my likeness. I'm going to have to send you a _very_ big invoice to cover licensing and penalties. |
| 21:04.36 | findlay | mrpull: but why shouldn't you be able to just download that info as it gets updated? |
| 21:04.48 | mrpull | maps are expensive |
| 21:04.50 | herlo | {sjansen}: and where have I done that? |
| 21:05.09 | mrpull | findlay: there is a new company that is partnering with yahoo to provide just that |
| 21:05.14 | findlay | cool |
| 21:05.15 | mrpull | it could be a cool concept |
| 21:05.18 | findlay | yeah |
| 21:05.38 | mrpull | and other cool ideas like creating a mesh network among them to report real-time traffic conditions |
| 21:05.44 | {sjansen} | Your photos of the Fedora release party. |
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| 21:06.36 | herlo | {sjansen}: like I said, how did I do that? I didn't taek the pics |
| 21:06.46 | herlo | TimRiker: !!! :::))) |
| 21:06.48 | {sjansen} | For this photo alone I should sue you for defamation: http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/herlo/2408699/ |
| 21:07.08 | herlo | {sjansen}: I keep saying it, but I didn't take those |
| 21:07.26 | {sjansen} | herlo: You linked to them! You're telling me you have co-conspirators? You're just digging yourself deeper, now I've got you for racketeering. |
| 21:07.36 | findlay | {sjansen} looks like a wizard |
| 21:08.29 | Tene | ibot: sjansen |
| 21:08.31 | ibot | i heard sjansen is too important to me. |
| 21:08.40 | Tene | ibot: no, sjansen is a wizard |
| 21:08.41 | ibot | Tene: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 21:08.46 | Tene | :( |
| 21:09.18 | {sjansen} | What?! |
| 21:09.21 | {sjansen} | ~sjansen |
| 21:09.22 | ibot | [sjansen] too important to me. |
| 21:09.30 | {sjansen} | No! No! No! |
| 21:09.47 | Tene | ~{sjansen} |
| 21:09.54 | {sjansen} | ibot: sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is. |
| 21:09.56 | ibot | ACTION tells is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is. good things about sjansen |
| 21:10.49 | findlay | ~unlock sjansen |
| 21:11.09 | findlay | I'm not allowed |
| 21:11.39 | Tene | ibot: explode sjansen |
| 21:11.40 | ibot | ACTION blows up sjansen with bombs |
| 21:12.01 | nick125_lappy | I'm really starting to hate DSL, too bad everything else either costs too much (T1/DS3, etc) or sucks even worse (Cable) |
| 21:12.41 | findlay | what's wrong with dsl |
| 21:12.59 | nick125_lappy | My connection is being crap. Again. |
| 21:13.10 | herlo | {sjansen}: http://tinyurl.com/yv9jly |
| 21:13.29 | nick125_lappy | My friend had the same issue last week that I'm now having |
| 21:15.11 | beandog | cable > dsl |
| 21:15.15 | beandog | at least cable is 8x faster. |
| 21:15.31 | beandog | Ill take 3 megabytes a second any day over 150k |
| 21:15.33 | findlay | cable is overgoverned by evil overlords |
| 21:15.52 | nick125_lappy | I will go to dialup before I will go to comcast cabal. |
| 21:15.57 | beandog | Im gonna go in my front yard and dig my own tubes. |
| 21:15.58 | {sjansen} | herlo: No fair! |
| 21:16.34 | herlo | {sjansen}: it didn't really help me. i was still confused... |
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| 21:16.42 | {sjansen} | Although, I do have to admit that Google Maps makes it look more simple than it actually is. |
| 21:16.47 | herlo | {sjansen}: now that I am here, its not too bad though |
| 21:17.31 | Tene | ibot: ibot sjansen |
| 21:17.33 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to sjansen. |
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| 21:17.40 | {sjansen} | I actually took N27->N28->N22->Carrigohane. As it was, that took forever. I was sure I'd made a wrong turn. |
| 21:17.52 | herlo | yes, you did |
| 21:18.22 | herlo | but it was the right wrong turn |
| 21:18.29 | {sjansen} | But that was nothing compared to finding the office. Took me forever. |
| 21:18.33 | herlo | because there is another way that's as good |
| 21:18.38 | herlo | {sjansen}: really? |
| 21:19.03 | {sjansen} | Yeah. Remember that first traffic circle after the hotel? I think I went through it wrong or something. |
| 21:19.07 | herlo | I just drove down the main road from the hotel and followed the signs... |
| 21:19.24 | {sjansen} | I didn't have any maps. Just "take this road to that road then turn onto this other, easy as pie". |
| 21:19.32 | herlo | yeah, me neither |
| 21:19.54 | findlay | road coordinates should be given in lattitude, longitude, and elevation |
| 21:20.01 | findlay | that would be way easier |
| 21:20.10 | {sjansen} | findlay: Spoke like someone who's never driven crazy roads. |
| 21:20.25 | herlo | I found it was more difficult/nerve racking to drive from the airport to the hotel |
| 21:20.40 | herlo | getting to the training ctr was easy, but getting people there before 8am wasn't |
| 21:20.45 | {sjansen} | It won't do you a lick of good to know lat long and alt unless it's down to the meter so you're in the right lane. |
| 21:21.00 | findlay | {sjansen}: you've never experienced the felicity of playing Chinese checkers in the back of an automatically driven vehicle |
| 21:21.42 | herlo | {sjansen}: for sure |
| 21:23.07 | herlo | {sjansen}: did you get a nice tv? |
| 21:23.17 | herlo | flat panel about 40" |
| 21:23.37 | {sjansen} | Beautiful TV. Nothing worth watching. |
| 21:23.48 | herlo | {sjansen}: watched Robin Hood on Sunday night |
| 21:23.53 | {sjansen} | The best thing I found was some stupid kids show about wizards and ravens. |
| 21:24.01 | herlo | Grey's anatomy (old one) is on right now |
| 21:24.05 | goozbach | {sjansen}: get yourself some netflix and comcast HD |
| 21:24.10 | herlo | and lots of music tv |
| 21:24.18 | {sjansen} | I mean come one! They had stinking BBC, but not a single episode of Dr. Who? Not fair. |
| 21:24.21 | herlo | goozbach: at the hotel in Ireland? |
| 21:24.27 | goozbach | nevermind |
| 21:24.33 | herlo | {sjansen}: I don't think they've got that on either |
| 21:24.45 | goozbach | I though sjansen broke down and bought a television |
| 21:25.11 | {sjansen} | Frankly, I don't know how the Irish survive with their lousy TV selection. They probably all by satellites and watch American TV. |
| 21:25.13 | findlay | I prefer θ, φ, and ρ, personally for my Earth coordinates |
| 21:25.21 | herlo | {sjansen}: now I am watching some kung fu movie with english subtitles |
| 21:25.39 | {sjansen} | That, or that amazingly comfy hotel had lousy cable. |
| 21:25.54 | herlo | oh, it was entourage |
| 21:26.07 | {sjansen} | But with a TV like, and a bathroom like that, and a breakfast like that, you'd think they also splurged on the cable. |
| 21:26.21 | {sjansen} | herlo: Didn't you love the bathroom? |
| 21:26.26 | {sjansen} | Best. Bathroom. Ever. |
| 21:26.34 | ^Migs^ | http://www.elbruz.org/islands/Islands%20and%20Lakes.htm |
| 21:26.35 | brac | [The Island and Lake Combination] |
| 21:26.38 | herlo | {sjansen}: I like it, but the shower is the best part... |
| 21:26.42 | ^Migs^ | lol: Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island |
| 21:26.52 | {sjansen} | I loved the heated floor. Genius. |
| 21:26.53 | herlo | {sjansen}: oh, and if it only had a bedet |
| 21:27.05 | herlo | bidet |
| 21:27.19 | herlo | the heated floor is annoying this time of year |
| 21:27.28 | {sjansen} | only? don't you mean also? |
| 21:27.30 | herlo | I burn my feet every night |
| 21:27.52 | herlo | {sjansen}: it does? Mine doesn't seem to work if there is one |
| 21:28.53 | herlo | {sjansen}: is it separate? |
| 21:29.02 | {sjansen} | I don't remember. |
| 21:29.24 | herlo | {sjansen}: nothing doing |
| 21:31.23 | {sjansen} | Have you had breakfast down in the restaurant? |
| 21:31.31 | herlo | {sjansen}: yes |
| 21:31.37 | herlo | and dinner last night too |
| 21:31.44 | herlo | absolutely gorgeous |
| 21:31.47 | {sjansen} | Isn't that hill amazingly green? |
| 21:31.50 | herlo | yup |
| 21:32.01 | {sjansen} | They're not kidding when they call it the Emerald Isle. |
| 21:32.02 | herlo | were they building the condos down in the valley? |
| 21:32.06 | herlo | {sjansen}: I now |
| 21:32.07 | {sjansen} | yeah |
| 21:32.08 | herlo | know |
| 21:32.16 | herlo | they're almost done |
| 21:35.34 | findlay | whatever. Clorophyll-A just happens to have been selected by evolution as the primary photosynthesis-assisting agent |
| 21:36.23 | findlay | there are other pigments used in chloroplasts that have different emmission spectra |
| 21:38.53 | {sjansen} | And thus concludes the "Clint and Stuart have been to Ireland but you haven't" show. |
| 21:39.31 | {sjansen} | Did I mention we're hiring? Act fast, positions are limited. |
| 21:40.09 | findlay | and something like only 0.02 of the incident light that reaches the thylakoids actually gets absorebed by the excited electron carrier pathways of photosynthesis |
| 21:40.29 | findlay | which in turn is less than 0.01 (overall) of the total solar radiation |
| 21:40.40 | findlay | that reaches the Earth's crust, that is |
| 21:41.18 | findlay | ha |
| 21:41.23 | {sjansen} | Tene: Wrong target. That'd be my boss. |
| 21:41.25 | ^Migs^ | anyone interested in this position? http://www.weber.k12.ut.us/index.php?module=joblist&func=display&job_id=1565 |
| 21:41.35 | ^Migs^ | we get surprisingly little interest in non-teacher position, and I attribute that to ignorance |
| 21:41.37 | mrpull | do I have to work with you? |
| 21:41.41 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:41.46 | findlay | ^Migs^: you quitting? :) |
| 21:41.47 | ^Migs^ | completely different building on the other side of town |
| 21:41.48 | {sjansen} | Tene: Although, as one person found out recently, that approach doesn't work well. |
| 21:41.49 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:41.58 | {sjansen} | You have to actually know Linux and English to get hired. |
| 21:42.36 | mrpull | {sjansen}: how's the pay? |
| 21:43.42 | {sjansen} | Depends on experience. Starts out reasonable, because we have to invest in training you, and getting you certified and so on. |
| 21:43.56 | {sjansen} | I don't know if we have an official number published. |
| 21:44.20 | Tene | sjansen: why should I apply there instead of elsewhere? |
| 21:44.31 | mrpull | are you guys finding it hard to find people? it seems it is a "buyers market" for employees right now. |
| 21:44.45 | herlo | {sjansen}: just tell them we make one million dollars!!! <pinky in side of mouth> |
| 21:45.04 | herlo | mrpull: I'd say its not that hard.. |
| 21:45.05 | {sjansen} | herlo: You are? I demand a raise! |
| 21:45.21 | herlo | {sjansen}: between us and the company in a year, maybe |
| 21:45.24 | herlo | :) |
| 21:45.35 | {sjansen} | I mean, come on. If herlo is worth 1,000,000 then I've got to be at least worth, oh, $25,000. |
| 21:45.43 | herlo | {sjansen}: you should ask for a raise, you deserve it... |
| 21:46.06 | herlo | {sjansen}: you know we only talk in 1/100 of a penny right? |
| 21:46.19 | herlo | so $25000 is our own currency we label |
| 21:46.24 | {sjansen} | herlo: Actually, I've received 3 very generous wages without asking. |
| 21:46.27 | herlo | and thus its really isn't all that much... |
| 21:46.52 | herlo | {sjansen}: I recently recieved one without asking myself, I know they want to keep me whcih is a great thing about GL |
| 21:46.58 | {sjansen} | Frankly, each time I got more than I would have asked for. Now I don't want to ask because then they'll give me even more than I deserve. |
| 21:47.27 | herlo | {sjansen}: I thought mine was very generous... |
| 21:47.40 | herlo | 38% is a nice raise! |
| 21:47.45 | {sjansen} | Tene: Variety. Learning. Linux. Travel. Food. Woman... Okay, maybe not that last one. |
| 21:47.52 | herlo | ;?> |
| 21:48.21 | mrpull | travel is a minus for me these days |
| 21:48.28 | findlay | and Chlorophyll-A, evidently |
| 21:48.33 | {sjansen} | mrpull: Yes, but it's always hard to find Gurus. They have to know Linux well, have social skills and be willing to travel. Two of three isn't too hard, three of three is hard. |
| 21:48.37 | mrpull | but Ireland could be a minor plus :) |
| 21:48.49 | mrpull | like the old printer problem |
| 21:48.52 | herlo | mrpull: only minor? |
| 21:48.59 | mrpull | color, network, laser |
| 21:49.05 | mrpull | noooo |
| 21:49.07 | herlo | mrpull: still that way |
| 21:49.10 | mrpull | color, network, cheap |
| 21:49.12 | mrpull | pick any two |
| 21:49.32 | herlo | mrpull: still that way, but you've gotta add good in front of color |
| 21:49.45 | {sjansen} | Good things about GL: 1) I can count reading Slashdot as "work related". |
| 21:50.08 | {sjansen} | 2) There's no such thing as a 3am fire or production down. |
| 21:50.13 | herlo | {sjansen}: working on the new Fedora 7 KVM is job enhancement |
| 21:50.20 | mrpull | #2 is a major plus :) |
| 21:50.26 | {sjansen} | 3) The owners are Linux geeks first, bosses second. |
| 21:50.37 | ^Migs^ | is it really so undesirable to work for a school district and get all the same benefits teachers get but for 3x+ more money? |
| 21:50.39 | herlo | {sjansen}: I love telling students that I am a sysadmin from 8-5 and that's why I love my job |
| 21:50.59 | mrpull | ^Migs^: it is when it is in ogden |
| 21:51.10 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:51.13 | herlo | ^Migs^: Ogden totally sucks! |
| 21:51.25 | ^Migs^ | wha??? no wai! |
| 21:51.27 | {sjansen} | Variety. If this week is boring, wait a week and everything will be different. |
| 21:51.34 | ^Migs^ | we have people commute from SLC to work here |
| 21:51.43 | mrpull | and that is better? |
| 21:51.50 | herlo | {sjansen}: family guy |
| 21:52.10 | ^Migs^ | I had a teacher at Weber State who commuted from Orem every day to work here in the glorious sprawling Ogden metropolis |
| 21:52.15 | findlay | because Ogden has a commuter rail! |
| 21:52.22 | ^Migs^ | well, it will |
| 21:52.26 | herlo | {sjansen}: stewey meets himself |
| 21:52.33 | mrpull | the Ogden Gondola System sounds like fun! |
| 21:52.36 | ^Migs^ | no wait |
| 21:52.39 | ^Migs^ | we're getting GONDOLAS |
| 21:52.46 | ^Migs^ | pfft, you beat me to that by a ton |
| 21:52.50 | herlo | dslk;jds;lkjds;lkj;lkjds;lkjsjdslkj ogden |
| 21:52.59 | {sjansen} | Certification. We pay for you certification. You give us a few years. You have an easier time getting another high paying job when you're ready to move on. |
| 21:53.05 | ^Migs^ | <3 <3 <3 Ogden <3 <3 <3 |
| 21:53.34 | herlo | ^Migs^: nice |
| 21:54.33 | ^Migs^ | how could anyone NOT <3 Ogden? You can live in anything from a trailer park to a foreclosed drug dealer's home |
| 21:55.29 | herlo | ^Migs^: exactly |
| 21:55.48 | mrpull | ^Migs^: that's funny... did you just coin that phrase? that should be on Ogden's welcome sign (and currency, etc) |
| 21:56.04 | ^Migs^ | Ogden has its own currency? |
| 21:56.26 | thaddeusq | ^Migs^: yep, it's called drugs. |
| 21:56.32 | mrpull | it's not a foreign country / sovereign nation? |
| 21:57.12 | ^Migs^ | it freakin SHOULD be |
| 21:57.36 | mrpull | maybe you can organize a revolt |
| 21:57.45 | findlay | yeah! |
| 21:59.41 | ^Migs^ | no, you have to be subtle |
| 21:59.55 | ^Migs^ | Start a micronation and let it spread like a plague |
| 22:01.11 | mrpull | ^Migs^: and the first thing to do is to print you own currency |
| 22:01.20 | mrpull | with a cool slogan on it |
| 22:01.33 | ^Migs^ | looks like I'll need more ink for my HP PhotoSmart |
| 22:01.41 | thaddeusq | {sjansen}: if I had to give reasons why I work at GL, travel would not be on the list. Nice restraunts, yes, travel, no. |
| 22:01.52 | mrpull | ^Migs^: just buy a new printer |
| 22:01.55 | mrpull | that is what I do |
| 22:01.59 | ^Migs^ | what if I copy U.S. currency? |
| 22:02.18 | {sjansen} | *shrug* To each their own. Admitted, several weeks straight of travel is rough. But a little travel in moderation is fun. |
| 22:02.30 | thaddeusq | I agree with that. |
| 22:02.39 | findlay | ~travel |
| 22:02.52 | thaddeusq | 3 weeks travel, 1 week home, x 3 is not fun. |
| 22:02.53 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 22:03.39 | mrpull | migs... on the topic of copying currency... have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation |
| 22:04.05 | thaddeusq | One plus to the travel, I'll be gold medallion after I fly home from Phoenix on Friday. |
| 22:04.17 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 22:04.34 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't be trying to create COUNTERFEIT U.S. currency. I'm just too lazy to make up my own. |
| 22:05.11 | {sjansen} | Gold Medallion == NICE |
| 22:05.32 | {sjansen} | Because I'm gold, I got a free 1st upgrade from SLC to IAD (Washington D.C) |
| 22:05.46 | mrpull | free upgrades are a good thing |
| 22:06.13 | thaddeusq | Even with Silver I flew 1st class from IAD to SLC last friday. |
| 22:06.28 | mrpull | tomorrow is my first flight since attaining silver |
| 22:06.31 | thaddeusq | However, there are times where I've been #14 on the upgrade list. |
| 22:07.21 | mrpull | I can't figure out why my MQM's don't accrue as quickly as my skymiles though |
| 22:07.56 | fozzmoo | Has anythingn worked better than #utah at recruiting Gurus? |
| 22:08.34 | fozzmoo | I'd probably be guruing right now if my wife didn't love her job so much. |
| 22:09.16 | thaddeusq | I applied at GL because of sllug |
| 22:12.21 | mrpull | doh. the light just went off in my head... the MQM's are just year to date |
| 22:14.37 | fozzmoo | Sometimes you just need darkness in your head. |
| 22:14.55 | mrpull | yeah... the light going off part didn't make sense to me either |
| 22:15.04 | mrpull | but I was enlightened anyway |
| 22:51.39 | findlay | why does svn merge have to be so difficult? |
| 22:51.53 | nick125_lappy | findlay: Because svn sucks at merging. |
| 22:52.04 | findlay | <insert {sjansen} svn condemnation here> |
| 22:52.04 | nick125_lappy | But, least it must be better than CVS. |
| 22:52.08 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:54.17 | Tene | nick125_lappy: so is a kick to the face. |
| 22:54.25 | nick125_lappy | Tene: True. |
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| 23:02.24 | brac | x-plane linux: http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 23:03.02 | findlay | I bet brac doesn't google the whole thing, just the first word |
| 23:03.22 | findlay | well, maybe not since he repeats it all again |
| 23:04.10 | Tene | -google the microsoft |
| 23:04.11 | brac | the microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/ |
| 23:04.17 | Tene | -google the |
| 23:04.19 | brac | the: http://www.theonion.com/ |
| 23:04.26 | Tene | see? different results. |
| 23:04.42 | Tene | So there, findlay! You lost the bet! Pay up! |
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| 23:04.58 | spr | ~seen herlo |
| 23:05.02 | ibot | herlo is currently on #ubuntu-utah #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 389 messages. Is idling for 1h 7m 18s, last said: 'wps: find us a barn to raise (hehe)'. |
| 23:05.12 | findlay | ~give it to Tene |
| 23:05.13 | ibot | ACTION gives to Tene to it |
| 23:05.26 | findlay | heh |
| 23:05.38 | spr | herlo: ping |
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| 23:13.52 | bonez41 | anyone here familiar with zimbra? |
| 23:14.10 | bonez41 | I am giving it a spin.... |
| 23:14.35 | Supaplex | bonez41: I've heard of it, haven't tried it yet. |
| 23:14.42 | bonez41 | Supaplex, ok.... |
| 23:14.57 | Supaplex | it's that groupware messaging system or something, right? |
| 23:15.15 | bonez41 | yeah...it's a replacement for exchange..runs ajax....etc... |
| 23:15.27 | Supaplex | have you used exchange? |
| 23:16.00 | bonez41 | no...can't possibly afford the hardware or s/w costs |
| 23:16.04 | Supaplex | maybe I should stab wikipedia. I have a skel website I'm planning, and migrating off exchange is going to be one of the topic areas. |
| 23:16.24 | bonez41 | but if this will install and run .. will allow me to run my wife's business messaging, email and such....calendar...in house |
| 23:16.40 | Supaplex | I see. I don't plan on doing all the content myself, maybe just referencing the most accepted areas for considering it. |
| 23:17.23 | Supaplex | but google kinda does all that anyway. :P but their delivery sucks (mailing lists are always desubscribing my account) |
| 23:17.40 | calvarez | OMG Supaplex PLZ DON'T STAB WIKIPEDIA!!1 |
| 23:17.52 | calvarez | OMG the humanity... |
| 23:17.59 | Supaplex | the drama! |
| 23:18.04 | findlay | heh |
| 23:18.05 | Supaplex | oh wait. that's you. ;) |
| 23:18.28 | calvarez | I'm in yr repo, killin ur c0de |
| 23:19.45 | calvarez | argh, this is gonna take long :/ |
| 23:19.51 | calvarez | downloading miktex |
| 23:21.43 | beandog | speaking of wikipedia |
| 23:21.45 | beandog | http://marnanel.livejournal.com/983138.html |
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| 23:25.23 | Supaplex | -chat about levi is home |
| 23:25.23 | brac | fine |
| 23:25.24 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 23:25.30 | Supaplex | -chat about levi is |
| 23:25.30 | brac | levi is the pearson |
| 23:27.08 | Tene | ~levi brac |
| 23:27.10 | ibot | ACTION gives brac a hovercraft and then fills it with eels! |
| 23:27.43 | findlay | -chat about Tene is |
| 23:27.44 | brac | Tene is afraid to do an MBA program. |
| 23:31.08 | bonez41 | what does prepending that - before chat do? |
| 23:31.30 | Tene | bonez41: tells brac to pay attention to it |
| 23:31.33 | Tene | -lart findlay |
| 23:31.37 | Tene | -chat |
| 23:31.38 | brac | With All the same thing is that it goes to watch but on that |
| 23:32.30 | findlay | ~shoot Tene |
| 23:32.31 | ibot | ACTION shoots Tene in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 23:39.04 | Tene | ~mourn tene |
| 23:39.06 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for tene |
| 23:39.25 | findlay | consider your ear singularized |
| 23:39.31 | Tene | ~mourn tene's ear |
| 23:39.32 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for tene's ear |
| 23:40.44 | Supaplex | aka thermite. :P |
| 23:40.52 | Tene | Supaplex: candles don't burn close to hot enough to ignite thermite. |
| 23:41.11 | Tene | We all know what thermite is. Stating its components doesn't make you any cooler. |
| 23:41.49 | Tene | Also, you want iron oxide and aluminum powder. The thermite reaction is the oxygen migrating from the iron to the aluminum. |
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| 23:42.13 | findlay | ~cool thermite so that it never ignites again |
| 23:42.14 | ibot | ACTION takes out a fan to wave over thermite so that it never ignites again but decides to beat thermite so that it never ignites again with it instead |
| 23:42.17 | Supaplex | really... |
| 23:42.19 | Tene | So your oxide/oxide mixture would be mostly inert |
| 23:42.40 | Tene | Yes, really. |
| 23:42.40 | findlay | ~inert Tene |
| 23:42.49 | Tene | ~wikipedia thermite |
| 23:42.57 | findlay | ~wiki duh |
| 23:43.14 | Tene | ~catalyze findlay |
| 23:43.15 | ibot | ACTION adjusts findlay's chemistry to react more efficiently without altering the external compound. |
| 23:43.36 | findlay | ~chemistry Tene |
| 23:43.52 | Supaplex | it even says aluminum oxide... so is the wikipedia article wrong? |
| 23:44.04 | findlay | of course |
| 23:44.31 | findlay | wikipedia is evil and created by commies who seek to thwart the special American economy |
| 23:44.48 | findlay | and steal money from the MPAA |
| 23:44.53 | Supaplex | at any rate I didn't recall the name "thermite" quickly, so I described it as a work around. Sure, it needs to get hot enough, but what do I know. |
| 23:45.41 | Tene | Supaplex: aluminum oxide is a *PRODUCT* |
| 23:46.04 | Supaplex | yeah, so? oxygen burns. |
| 23:46.11 | findlay | and so is *SOFTWARE* |
| 23:46.14 | Tene | That's like trying to start a fire with ash instead of wood. |
| 23:46.20 | findlay | so give me your money for your linuxes! |
| 23:46.28 | Tene | ~give findlay money |
| 23:46.30 | ibot | ACTION gives money to findlay |
| 23:46.36 | findlay | yay, money! |
| 23:46.48 | Tene | ~take findlay's linuxes |
| 23:46.56 | Tene | ~steal findlay's linuxes |
| 23:46.58 | ibot | ACTION grabs findlay's linuxes and gives it to tene |
| 23:47.04 | findlay | ~gentoo Tene's linuxes |
| 23:47.06 | ibot | ACTION recompiles Tene's linuxes again |
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