| 00:24.52 | findlay | bonez44: fluxbox keeps it's config stuff in ~/.fluxbox |
| 00:25.48 | bonez44 | findlay, ok, so I copy my work machine file over to home....it has the key settings for ~/.lluxbox/keys that I want...how to I get my machine to register those now, so they will work? |
| 00:25.51 | bonez44 | do i have to log out? |
| 00:28.22 | findlay | there should be a 'reload config' option in the default fluxbox menu |
| 00:28.35 | findlay | or you can create a keybinding for that :) |
| 00:29.03 | findlay | ~fluxbox++ |
| 00:30.20 | findlay | ~screen++ |
| 00:30.32 | findlay | fluxbox and screen makes a man happy :-) |
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| 00:35.22 | fozzmoo | I see ibot is back. |
| 01:08.49 | findlay | indeed |
| 01:10.17 | Tene | findlay: fluxbox uses more memory than e17. |
| 01:12.15 | findlay | wow |
| 01:12.30 | findlay | did you know that flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY? |
| 01:12.40 | Tene | flac the standard? |
| 01:12.51 | findlay | same with gcc |
| 01:12.56 | findlay | ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 01:13.34 | findlay | Tene: e is just weird |
| 01:13.56 | Tene | findlay: howso? |
| 01:14.04 | findlay | Tene: because |
| 01:14.10 | Tene | findlay: does your food come with a warranty? |
| 01:14.19 | findlay | I don't know |
| 01:14.34 | findlay | I bet there's a secret EULA for it somewhere, though |
| 01:14.47 | Tene | findlay: what properties of e are weird? |
| 01:14.58 | findlay | mainly the wierdest ones |
| 01:16.23 | Tene | That's why I use e. |
| 01:16.55 | findlay | endarkenment |
| 01:17.02 | findlay | maybe I should try it out again |
| 01:17.31 | Tene | Maybe. |
| 01:18.45 | Tene | Maybe you should shear sheep, clean the wool, spin it into yarn, and knit a sweater. |
| 01:38.35 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 02:29.43 | findlay | Tene: I'll do that! |
| 02:29.58 | Tene | findlay: who gets the sweater, though? |
| 02:30.29 | findlay | I'll sell it on ebay and give the profits to Linus, out of appreciation |
| 02:31.59 | Tene | Good plan! |
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| 02:52.28 | bonez44 | sunday is a dead day here...... |
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| 03:10.12 | Sargun | nick125, |
| 03:10.13 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, |
| 03:10.18 | nick125_lappy | hi |
| 03:14.47 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: what's up? |
| 03:15.07 | Sargun | nm |
| 03:15.07 | Sargun | you |
| 03:15.16 | Sargun | planning out a bank robbery |
| 03:15.16 | nick125_lappy | Having fun :p |
| 03:15.22 | Sargun | oh with |
| 03:16.19 | nick125_lappy | Well, thinking of the fun. My friend and myself went around the city and took down signs on lightpoles and signs that were blocking people's view. The funny part is what my friend did to one of the signs (then he put it back) |
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| 03:35.17 | fozzmoo | nick125_lappy: Did either you or your friend consider the legal implications of what you had done? |
| 03:37.02 | fozzmoo | Hi ti`ocpi! |
| 03:37.12 | ti`ocpi | Hi fozzmoo! |
| 03:41.57 | nick125_lappy | fozzmoo: Yes, we actually did. |
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| 04:03.45 | Sargun | Who here likes Dreamhost? |
| 04:03.50 | Sargun | Who here doesn't like Dreamhost? |
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| 04:10.14 | fozzmoo | hi WashiChan! |
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| 04:29.47 | ChickenFat | it's crazy in here |
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| 06:10.38 | Sargun | Hey anyone wanna cross-link http://xbmodder.us is my site. |
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| 13:04.21 | goozbach | good morning #utah |
| 13:30.23 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 13:30.45 | goozbach | ~pineapple elg |
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| 13:30.55 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 13:31.05 | brac | dunno |
| 13:38.21 | goozbach | now I'm sweet in bed! |
| 13:38.23 | goozbach | YES! |
| 13:41.07 | ^Migs^ | better than being gassy |
| 14:10.13 | goozbach | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 14:10.14 | ibot | drops a baby grand on redbeard2 |
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| 14:53.54 | vontrapp | anyone have some ideas as to how to make underlined spaces for filling out stuff in html? |
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| 14:57.33 | graphyx | Whats wrong with using the _ char? |
| 14:57.50 | elg | are you talking about a printable form? |
| 14:58.02 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 14:58.22 | elg | why not a pdf? |
| 14:58.52 | elg | Such a beast wouldn't be hard to create in oo calc |
| 14:59.03 | elg | there you just mark the cells as underlined |
| 14:59.08 | elg | er, bottom border |
| 14:59.14 | vontrapp | i want to be able to translate it when i'm done |
| 14:59.43 | elg | you can't translate a spreadsheet? |
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| 14:59.57 | vontrapp | the question is can google translate it |
| 15:00.07 | vontrapp | i can't translate much of anything |
| 15:00.12 | vontrapp | unless it's to cambodian |
| 15:00.12 | elg | neither can google |
| 15:00.17 | vontrapp | not the most useful |
| 15:01.18 | vontrapp | it doesn't have to be the conventional nice perty underlined fill in the blanks type form |
| 15:01.45 | vontrapp | anything where there's space to write stuff and won't be confusing or cluttered would work just fine |
| 15:02.49 | elg | why not <input> tags |
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| 15:15.19 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TH-50PX75U-720p-Plasma-HDTV/dp/B000O5TFRK/ref=sr_1_3/002-6339007-0046440?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1181170771&sr=8-3 |
| 15:16.57 | QBFreak | but its so big... |
| 15:17.51 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 15:18.28 | maquis | elg: when do you finish school? |
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| 15:40.13 | elg | a year to a year and a half probably |
| 15:48.20 | fozzmoo | I still don't understand why people like LCD or Plasma screens. |
| 15:48.29 | fozzmoo | I mean, as opposed to LCD or DLP projectors. |
| 15:48.39 | fozzmoo | Plasma, especially, gets so hot. |
| 15:53.17 | mheath | Morning everyone. |
| 15:54.19 | mheath | Hey, I have a couple of things I'm trying to sell, if anyone would be interested |
| 15:55.26 | mheath | NAmely a digital camera (Nikon Coolpix S4) and a portable mini DVD player (with automotive charger, etc) |
| 15:56.50 | mheath | Also possibly going to be selling my laptop. |
| 15:58.04 | mheath | And, uh, if anyone could toss any job opportunities or anything like that my way, that would be awesome. |
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| 15:58.24 | mheath | Another gurulabs type. I don't think I've seen this one before. |
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| 15:59.26 | mheath | Morning Sargun. |
| 15:59.28 | thaddeusq | mheath: You've never seen me before? I've been here. |
| 15:59.29 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 15:59.32 | ibot | pong |
| 15:59.44 | mheath | thaddeusq: You probably have. I just haven't been here that much lately, myself. |
| 15:59.46 | Sargun | mheath, morning to you too. |
| 15:59.49 | Sargun | what's up? |
| 16:00.57 | mheath | Working on college application stuff |
| 16:01.16 | mheath | Then going out to mow the lawn, change the oil in my car, finish unpacking my car, clean my car.. |
| 16:01.38 | Sargun | what kinda car you drive |
| 16:01.46 | mheath | Today is the why-did-I-go-get-so-drunk-and-high-the-first-day-I-got-back-because-now-I-have-so-much-to-do day |
| 16:01.53 | mheath | Sargun: 1998 Mitsubishi Gallant. |
| 16:02.15 | Sargun | because getting high and drunk is fun. |
| 16:02.18 | Sargun | :-P. |
| 16:03.37 | Sargun | -talk about me |
| 16:04.01 | Sargun | ~ping me |
| 16:04.03 | ibot | pong sargun |
| 16:04.18 | mheath | Whats new with you, Sargun? |
| 16:05.10 | Sargun | oh, nothing. hating my girlfriend. coding some fun web apps. playing with java on phones. |
| 16:05.11 | Sargun | being a geek. |
| 16:05.34 | mheath | Hating your girlfriend. Heh. When did you get a girlfriend? |
| 16:05.50 | Sargun | dec. 24. |
| 16:06.02 | mheath | Uh, thats kinda precise. |
| 16:06.16 | Sargun | 6 month was yesterday. |
| 16:06.25 | Sargun | bought her a ring for it. |
| 16:06.39 | ^Migs^ | why would you buy a ring for someone you hate? |
| 16:06.42 | Sargun | two diamonds and a sapphire (birth stone) |
| 16:06.42 | mheath | Heh, cute. I miss the little puppy love junior high relationships. |
| 16:06.44 | Sargun | really crappy stones. |
| 16:06.51 | mheath | So fun and innocent :P |
| 16:06.52 | ^Migs^ | I agree with mheath |
| 16:06.57 | ^Migs^ | TWO diamonds?! |
| 16:07.07 | Sargun | really crappy diamonds |
| 16:07.07 | ^Migs^ | how much did this thing cost? |
| 16:07.15 | mheath | I'm sure he meant _fake_ stones |
| 16:07.16 | ^Migs^ | and you wonder why she hates you? |
| 16:07.18 | mheath | or diamon look alikes |
| 16:07.22 | ^Migs^ | CZ? |
| 16:07.23 | Sargun | like .13 karot. |
| 16:07.27 | mheath | ... |
| 16:07.28 | mheath | Nevermind. |
| 16:07.34 | Sargun | heh. |
| 16:07.44 | mheath | ^Migs^: You forget that Sargun's parents are the ones that handed him like $100,000 to go invest in google stock. |
| 16:07.58 | ^Migs^ | no I didn't forget that. I never knew about it. |
| 16:08.02 | Sargun | ill post the ring in a bit. |
| 16:08.25 | ^Migs^ | why's it crappy? Did you buy it off Jewelry TV or something? |
| 16:08.25 | Sargun | a) my own cash |
| 16:08.33 | ^Migs^ | how much did it cost? |
| 16:08.33 | mheath | (not to imply that hes being financially responsible and using money he rightfully earned through investing; more implying that this is more of mommy and daddys money than his own) |
| 16:08.42 | Sargun | b) I made about 9000 off that. |
| 16:08.50 | ^Migs^ | diamonds are not an investment in any way, shape, or form |
| 16:08.57 | ^Migs^ | you should've gotten a Tanzanite ring or somethi9ng |
| 16:08.59 | Sargun | migs I agree |
| 16:09.02 | ^Migs^ | that would at least appreciate in value |
| 16:09.30 | mheath | ^Migs^: Heh, I've been told that GOLD IS AN AMAZING INVESTMENT INVEST NOW! THE GOLD MARKET IS SKYROCKETING, IN THE PAST 10 YEARS GOLD HAS GONE UP 200$! |
| 16:09.34 | Sargun | it was between 100 and 300 dollars. |
| 16:09.41 | mheath | uh |
| 16:09.50 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 16:09.52 | Sargun | -stabs mheath in the face- |
| 16:09.53 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 16:09.55 | ^Migs^ | that's it? |
| 16:10.01 | ^Migs^ | wow, must've been REALLY crappy diamonds |
| 16:10.04 | mheath | How do you not know how much something you bought 'with your own money' cost, within hundreds of dollars of range? |
| 16:10.09 | Sargun | I want to buy uranium |
| 16:10.16 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 16:10.19 | Sargun | or plotonium |
| 16:10.20 | mheath | ^Migs^: Sounds like overpriced fake stones, that he got suckered into. |
| 16:10.21 | ^Migs^ | give the woman you hate a plutonium ring |
| 16:10.30 | Sargun | lol |
| 16:10.34 | Sargun | mo |
| 16:10.40 | mheath | Not really anything wrong with that stuff, if its unrefined. |
| 16:10.46 | Sargun | its a good investment |
| 16:10.56 | mheath | I wish people used more nuclear power :( |
| 16:11.12 | mheath | Russians do stupid stuff decades ago, and now the whole population is afraid of it |
| 16:11.21 | Sargun | lab grade uranium |
| 16:11.22 | ^Migs^ | it would be cool if you had a nuclear-powered car and you could just stick your uranium ring in a slot while you drove and automatically powered it |
| 16:11.40 | mheath | ^Migs^: Not really |
| 16:11.40 | Sargun | lol |
| 16:11.47 | mheath | Considering that the ring is touching you |
| 16:11.52 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 16:11.55 | ^Migs^ | you'd take it off, obviously |
| 16:12.09 | ^Migs^ | I want a nuclear-powered house |
| 16:12.17 | ^Migs^ | with nuclear-powered appliances. |
| 16:12.21 | mheath | uh |
| 16:12.21 | ^Migs^ | I could mow my lawn with nuclear power |
| 16:12.27 | mheath | Too much energy :P |
| 16:12.40 | ^Migs^ | I could make nuclear-powered toast |
| 16:14.18 | mheath | One USN boomer submarine can produce enough electricity in one day to power the entire city of New York for a year. |
| 16:14.18 | ^Migs^ | yeah my house needs that |
| 16:16.36 | sargun_screen | I'm back! |
| 16:16.37 | sargun_screen | 1 of: .08ctw Round Diamond & Blue Sapphire 3-Stone 14k White Gold Ring, Size 7 (I1, H-I) |
| 16:16.37 | mheath | So, if anyone is interested perhaps in buying that laptop, mini DVD player, or digital camera, let me know... |
| 16:17.12 | ^Migs^ | uranium birthstone |
| 16:17.19 | sargun_screen | uh |
| 16:17.21 | ^Migs^ | why didn't anyone think of that? |
| 16:17.24 | sargun_screen | what kind of laptop |
| 16:17.27 | sargun_screen | what kind of digital camera |
| 16:17.45 | ^Migs^ | I bid $1 for the laptop |
| 16:17.46 | mheath | sargun_screen: Camera is a Nikon Coolpix S4, laptop is a Compaq/HP Presario V5101US |
| 16:18.10 | mheath | Camera is basically new and used very little, comes with lots of batteries, 2 Gig mem card |
| 16:18.15 | sargun_screen | Ooh. |
| 16:18.20 | sargun_screen | I'll look at the camera |
| 16:18.21 | sargun_screen | how much? |
| 16:18.21 | ^Migs^ | SD card? |
| 16:18.28 | mheath | Laptop was just sent in for repairs where full testing was done on it |
| 16:18.30 | sargun_screen | http://www.amazon.com/08ctw-Round-Diamond-Sapphire-3-Stone/dp/B000FLX59C/ref=sr_1_1/105-4314070-0992445?ie=UTF8&s=jewelry&qid=1181578632&sr=8-1 |
| 16:18.34 | mheath | Replaced the entire mainboard |
| 16:18.38 | sargun_screen | I hate compaq like no other. |
| 16:18.40 | mheath | Rplaced all the casing |
| 16:18.44 | mheath | Upgraded to 2 Gigs of RAM |
| 16:18.51 | mheath | fully out-of-the-box compatible with Ubuntu |
| 16:18.58 | mheath | Well, except for the wireless, which requires you to install one package |
| 16:19.12 | mheath | sargun_screen: Compaq doesn't exist. |
| 16:19.25 | sargun_screen | Uh |
| 16:19.26 | mheath | sargun_screen: want $200 for the camera |
| 16:19.27 | sargun_screen | HP/Compaq. |
| 16:19.38 | mheath | ^Migs^: Yes, SD |
| 16:19.46 | sargun_screen | What about just the card? |
| 16:20.07 | ^Migs^ | you can get free 2GB SD cards |
| 16:20.13 | ^Migs^ | after rebate, usually |
| 16:20.17 | ^Migs^ | or dirt-cheap |
| 16:20.24 | mheath | Yeah |
| 16:20.57 | sargun_screen | ^Migs^: Decent ones are still 130-200 |
| 16:21.04 | sargun_screen | So, what do you think about that ring? |
| 16:21.24 | sargun_screen | I got a good bargain |
| 16:21.48 | ^Migs^ | this is how the world should treat Bush and America: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/world/europe/11prexy.html?r=1&oref=slogin |
| 16:21.52 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:21.53 | brac | [Thousands Hail Bush in Visit to Albania - New York Times] |
| 16:21.57 | ^Migs^ | no you didn't, if the diamonds suck |
| 16:22.09 | sargun_screen | Haha. |
| 16:22.27 | sargun_screen | They're diamonds none-the-less. |
| 16:22.34 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:22.42 | ^Migs^ | that's a great way to let this chick know how much you care |
| 16:23.07 | ^Migs^ | "These may be the worst diamonds on earth, but at least they're diamonds, just like you may be the worst girlfriend on earth, but at least you're a girlfriend." |
| 16:28.24 | mheath | ^Migs^: To be fair, his GF has to be like 14 |
| 16:28.35 | mheath | I can't see any reaction other than OMG, OMG, OMG! A DIAMON RING! |
| 16:28.50 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 16:28.54 | ^Migs^ | how old are you sargun? |
| 16:29.19 | mheath | speaking of that |
| 16:29.20 | ^Migs^ | yeah if she's 14, then you got a GREAT deal on those worthless diamonds |
| 16:29.41 | mheath | my sister in law wants to set me up on a date with a girl she works with |
| 16:29.54 | mheath | Problem is, this girl is 16 and I'm now 18. |
| 16:30.00 | elg | so? |
| 16:30.02 | fozzmoo | So? |
| 16:30.05 | mheath | Worried about if this is appropriate and if this might raise some questions. |
| 16:30.18 | fozzmoo | Move to Nevada and she's legal. :) |
| 16:30.38 | ^Migs^ | well you graduated |
| 16:30.40 | ^Migs^ | she hasn't |
| 16:30.43 | ^Migs^ | that's a huge difference right there |
| 16:30.47 | mheath | Heh |
| 16:31.00 | mheath | I've graduated and basically spent a year in the military |
| 16:31.04 | mheath | I'm not even sure I want to date her |
| 16:31.09 | ^Migs^ | yeah that's just lame |
| 16:31.13 | ^Migs^ | how old is your sister in law? |
| 16:31.16 | fozzmoo | You won't know until you meet her. |
| 16:31.21 | mheath | because some little 16 year old high school sophmore would be so out of touch with me....I'm thinking |
| 16:31.28 | mheath | ^Migs^: 27ish |
| 16:31.32 | fozzmoo | Or she'd be enamored. :) |
| 16:31.33 | ^Migs^ | wtf is wrong with her? |
| 16:31.48 | mheath | fozzmoo: I'm worried about that actually :P |
| 16:31.49 | ^Migs^ | high school grads don't date those still in high school, unless its a preexisting relationship |
| 16:32.10 | elg | really? |
| 16:32.14 | mheath | I'm not the most attractive guy around, but I'm worried some 16 year old sophmore might see me as this big 18 year old who was in the military, and is going to college, etc. etc. :P |
| 16:32.17 | elg | is that like in the Utah constitution? |
| 16:32.21 | fozzmoo | Except she might wonder why this guy spends 90% of his waking hours in IRC. ;-) |
| 16:32.23 | ^Migs^ | no, it's a cultural norm |
| 16:32.31 | JoshH | there are plenty of exceptions to that |
| 16:32.33 | mheath | fozzmoo: I really don't. |
| 16:32.37 | JoshH | usually, but not always, because the graduate is a loser |
| 16:32.44 | JoshH | but it happens |
| 16:32.53 | fozzmoo | Or the 16-yr old is hot beyond belief. |
| 16:33.00 | mheath | I'm willing to bet that I've spent less time on IRC lately than you have, fozzmoo |
| 16:33.07 | fozzmoo | Sometimes you gotta get em while they're young. |
| 16:33.11 | fozzmoo | or you'll lose em. |
| 16:33.14 | ^Migs^ | I knew a hot 16 year-old chick when I was in HS who was dating some college guy |
| 16:33.20 | ^Migs^ | but she looked at least 20 |
| 16:33.34 | ^Migs^ | so for some reason it didn't seem so weird |
| 16:34.10 | ^Migs^ | "I like women the way I like my filesystem. FAT and 16." |
| 16:34.32 | fozzmoo | I dunno about you, but if I was a GUY in high school and I knew a GUY who was dating a college woman, I'd be way impressed. |
| 16:34.39 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah totally |
| 16:34.49 | ^Migs^ | the other way around, it's just creepy |
| 16:34.53 | fozzmoo | But things are... yeah. |
| 16:34.56 | ^Migs^ | don't be the creepy guy, mheath |
| 16:35.14 | mheath | Yeah, I know |
| 16:35.18 | mheath | She's 16, though |
| 16:35.32 | mheath | I'm actually 17, my birthday is in a couple of days |
| 16:35.46 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 16:35.52 | ^Migs^ | still |
| 16:35.54 | ^Migs^ | you're out of high school |
| 16:36.36 | mheath | Indeed |
| 16:36.48 | mheath | Hmm. I'm excited about starting school again |
| 16:36.54 | mheath | College should be a breeze after nuke classes |
| 16:37.08 | elg | you're freaks. If I were mheath I'd probably not date a 16 year old because most 16 year olds might not interest me, but not because there's some taboo against someone graduited dating someone not graduited |
| 16:37.21 | mheath | elg: Agreed |
| 16:37.28 | mheath | Its legal, and i really don't care about what people say/think |
| 16:37.33 | mheath | I just think she wouldn't interest me |
| 16:37.52 | mheath | I've come a long way as far as intelligence and maturity just in that short little time |
| 16:38.07 | mheath | And I've experienced things in life (mostly in my time in the military) that someone her age just wouldn't understand |
| 16:38.21 | mheath | Anyway, time to go mow the lawn. Have a good day everyone. |
| 16:38.53 | elg | tensai: I've procured a wheelbarrow and power saw. I'm ready to pour the cement slab this afternoon |
| 16:39.15 | elg | assuming I can figure out how to get a sheet of plywood home from home depot. will they cut it in half for me? |
| 16:41.43 | TheTiGuR | Yes they will |
| 16:41.58 | TheTiGuR | may charge a quarter for it |
| 16:42.11 | TheTiGuR | (usually a per cut charge) |
| 16:42.35 | elg | cool |
| 16:43.18 | TheTiGuR | The trick of course is finding the cutting area, and then finding an associate to do the cutting for you |
| 16:48.26 | maquis | mheath: what makes you think that someone older will be able to understand the things that you've experienced in life? |
| 16:48.52 | maquis | does a girl have to have been in the military so she can understand what you've been through in order to be good enough for you? |
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| 17:07.45 | rsimpkins | TheTiGuR: Hey man. |
| 17:07.56 | rsimpkins | TheTiGuR: Do I need to report your IRCing to the authorities? ;-) |
| 17:20.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/globaleyes/537860694/ |
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| 17:34.50 | rsimpkins | hehe, the "ultimate" dell is only $8,510 |
| 17:41.59 | findlay | rsimpkins: does this mean you will get one for me? |
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| 17:44.25 | elg | -chat sjansen has |
| 17:44.26 | brac | sjansen has a cute female |
| 17:44.28 | sjansen | MOOooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:44.32 | findlay | heh |
| 17:44.40 | sjansen | brac: I do? |
| 17:44.40 | brac | I can't do that Dave. |
| 17:44.55 | sjansen | What's her name? Define "has". Why wasn't I told? |
| 17:44.56 | elg | sjansen: check under the keyboard |
| 17:45.01 | elg | she might be hiding there |
| 17:45.05 | sjansen | Jeez, you'd think I should've been the first to know. |
| 17:45.17 | findlay | why does sjansen get all the cute females? |
| 17:45.28 | sjansen | findlay: It's the beard. |
| 17:45.33 | sjansen | Chicks dig unix admins. |
| 17:45.36 | findlay | ah |
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| 17:56.57 | mheath | maquis: I didn't say anything like that. |
| 17:57.14 | mheath | I said a young highschool sophmore likely lacks the maturity that I look for. |
| 17:57.26 | mheath | Heck, I thought I was mature when I was that age, and I now realize I wasn't. |
| 17:57.45 | elg | of course, that's what girls say about 18 year old guys too |
| 17:57.45 | mheath | (Likewise, I recognize that when I look back at now in my life, I'll probably laugh at how rediculously stupid and immature I was) |
| 17:58.08 | mheath | maquis: No, of course a girl I date doesn't have to be in the military. |
| 17:58.08 | elg | girls tend to mature sooner |
| 17:58.32 | mheath | Infact, as a supposedly strict (but unfortunately bent once or twice) rule for myself, I didn't really date military women. |
| 18:02.43 | maquis | mheath: honestly, there's a reason why girls tend to go for guys who are ~2 years older than them |
| 18:03.03 | mheath | maquis: Which is probably why this girl _wants_ to go on a date with a guy 2 years older than her. |
| 18:03.42 | maquis | mheath: because she's probably much more mature than guys her age |
| 18:03.55 | ^Migs^ | teenage girls are hardly "mature" |
| 18:04.01 | maquis | mheath: what makes you think you're so much more mature than her? |
| 18:04.03 | ^Migs^ | certainly not more mature than guys |
| 18:04.04 | elg | ^Migs^ is hardly mature |
| 18:04.13 | ^Migs^ | your butt is hardly mature |
| 18:04.18 | elg | that's good news |
| 18:04.21 | ^Migs^ | :) |
| 18:04.37 | ^Migs^ | nothing worse than an overripe rear end |
| 18:04.42 | mheath | maquis: Simply because of the things I've experienced in my life. |
| 18:04.54 | maquis | mheath: experiences alone do not create maturity |
| 18:04.55 | ^Migs^ | such as? |
| 18:05.09 | maquis | i've seen a lot of extremely immature people who have experienced a lot |
| 18:05.19 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 18:05.27 | ^Migs^ | how does one define "maturity?" |
| 18:05.36 | ^Migs^ | what makes a person "mature" or "immature?" |
| 18:05.53 | mheath | I don't think immature is a verb. |
| 18:06.10 | maquis | mheath: it's not... but it is a noun |
| 18:06.13 | maquis | er |
| 18:06.14 | maquis | no |
| 18:06.16 | maquis | adjective |
| 18:06.28 | mheath | maquis: Yeah, but he used it like a verb |
| 18:06.33 | mheath | oh |
| 18:06.34 | maquis | mheath: where? |
| 18:06.35 | ^Migs^ | no I didn't |
| 18:06.38 | mheath | nevermind, I misread. |
| 18:06.39 | ^Migs^ | I used it like an adjective |
| 18:06.48 | maquis | ah |
| 18:07.04 | ^Migs^ | but I see how you could have misread that |
| 18:07.23 | mheath | Yeah. We were talking about events in life that effect maturity. |
| 18:08.24 | mheath | maquis: A lot of relationships like that I've observed aren't successful because the girl feels equal to the guy, and likes to interact with him |
| 18:08.44 | mheath | Its because the girl sees the guy as some far more mature, developed, etc. person |
| 18:09.20 | maquis | mheath: so, in order for a girl to get along with a guy who's older than her, she needs to believe that he's far more mature, developed, etc? |
| 18:09.54 | ^Migs^ | nonsense |
| 18:09.57 | ^Migs^ | mheath was speaking generally |
| 18:09.57 | mheath | 11:57 < mheath> Heck, I thought I was mature when I was that age, and I now realize I wasn't. |
| 18:10.20 | ^Migs^ | I'm still not sure how we define "maturity." |
| 18:10.29 | mheath | wow |
| 18:10.30 | maquis | mheath: and now you think you're mature because you've experienced things |
| 18:10.32 | mheath | how did I copy that |
| 18:10.46 | mheath | maquis: I didn't even mean to copy that :P I don't know how I did |
| 18:10.57 | mheath | But, if you want to respond to it like that, I'll copy the other thing I said |
| 18:11.13 | mheath | < mheath> (Likewise, I recognize that when I look back at now in my life, I'll probably laugh at how rediculously stupid and immature I was) |
| 18:11.23 | maquis | yup |
| 18:11.28 | maquis | we hope |
| 18:11.40 | mheath | Heh. |
| 18:11.52 | mheath | So condescending and rude. :) |
| 18:12.25 | maquis | mheath: hey... i'm not the one who went on for an hour a couple months ago complaining that if i didn't get to do what i wanted i'd have to be a "normal" person... |
| 18:12.47 | mheath | maquis: Yeah. Because I had a lot of problems with that. |
| 18:13.13 | mheath | maquis: You apparently missed the part where I experienced extreme depression related to that, attempted to commit suicide, and spent a week in a state mental health hospital. |
| 18:13.28 | mheath | maquis: I learn from the things that happen to me. |
| 18:14.04 | mheath | maquis: Like, the fact that I am out of the Navy now, not because of the orthopedic problems but because of mental health concerns |
| 18:14.15 | mheath | But I'm happy, glad to be home, and very optomistic about my future |
| 18:14.26 | mheath | I'm starting college in a few months; going into high school teaching. |
| 18:14.33 | mheath | People learn from their experiences in life |
| 18:14.55 | mheath | And its generalizing, but I feel my experiences in life have taught me a lot more than your average 16 year old highschool sophomore |
| 18:17.05 | maquis | mheath: people learn, but just having the experiences doesn't mean that they'll come out of it more mature |
| 18:17.08 | maquis | that's what i'm trying to say |
| 18:17.36 | maquis | and just because person A has had experience Z, and person B hasn't, doesn't mean that person B isn't as mature as person A |
| 18:17.47 | jlp_work | FYI, time on the planet has little to do with maturity |
| 18:18.06 | maquis | i'd argue that the ability to learn from other people's experiences is a rather large portion of maturity |
| 18:18.11 | jlp_work | my wife was more mature at 18 than her sister is today at 43 |
| 18:18.49 | mheath | jlp_work: OK. I didn't say it had anything to do with age. |
| 18:18.58 | mrpull | mheath: this is insanely un-PC of me to ask this, but I will... do you have a trust fund? |
| 18:19.29 | mheath | mrpull: No O.o |
| 18:19.34 | mheath | I'm from a lower middle class family |
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| 18:19.55 | mheath | Closest thing to a trust find I have are A) a couple thousand dollars my parents put into a savings acount over time for college |
| 18:20.09 | mheath | and B) My Grandma's estate has a small trust fund that maintains her limited investments now that she's died. |
| 18:20.23 | mheath | Why do you ask? |
| 18:21.48 | mrpull | your behavior is almost 100% consistent with people I've known through the years who had massive trust funds... that's all |
| 18:22.12 | mheath | What? O.o |
| 18:22.23 | Lone_Wanderer | So, with the whole turtle wax on a CD thing... how do you buff it? |
| 18:22.24 | maquis | ... |
| 18:22.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you just use a cotton rag? |
| 18:22.45 | mrpull | joining the military when it doesn't wholly make sense |
| 18:22.53 | mheath | mrpull: .... |
| 18:22.59 | jlp_work | nice change of subject attempt, Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:23.30 | mheath | mrpull: it makes me angry when other people try to justify why I was in the military, or why I joined |
| 18:23.36 | mrpull | choosing a low paying career that requires lots of schooling |
| 18:23.37 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: cotton would be fine |
| 18:23.43 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 18:23.48 | mheath | I got a bunch of crap from a lot of people incharge of me right before I got out because they were convinced I was trying to get kicked out |
| 18:24.04 | mheath | mrpull: And FYI, I was going into the Naval Nuclear Power field |
| 18:24.16 | mheath | 1.5 years of training that generates a full bachelors degree |
| 18:24.27 | jlp_work | mheath: the military isn't for everyone. it wasn't for me, for example (determined after four years of ROTC) |
| 18:24.30 | mheath | And its common and easy for ex-navy-nukes to get a job that starts in the triple digits. |
| 18:25.06 | mheath | jlp_work: Yes. But treating someone like scum because you think they want to get kicked out, after they experienced suicidal ideations and depression _because_ they were going to get kicked out just doesn't make sense. |
| 18:25.06 | mrpull | I'm I the only one that remembers the original plan to join the marines? |
| 18:25.09 | jlp_work | I was fortunate to be offered the chance to dis-enroll with no strings attached (other than paying back my scholarship) |
| 18:25.26 | mheath | mrpull: The original plan? I was in the Marine Corps, briefly. |
| 18:25.43 | mrpull | mheath: dude, I'm not making light of the suicide stuff... I'll back off |
| 18:25.57 | mheath | mrpull: No, your not really irritating me |
| 18:26.08 | mheath | Its just that I've had my share of BS explanations of why I was in the military lately |
| 18:26.12 | jlp_work | mheath: the military has this tendency to put people into little boxes. if you don't happen to fit in the little box, they bash you until you fit or you break. |
| 18:26.24 | mheath | My SLPO came up with some random story about how my dad must have been pressuring me to join, since he was a retired high-ranking officer |
| 18:26.49 | jlp_work | they look for excuses, because they don't want to believe that the bashing system doesn't always work |
| 18:26.53 | jlp_work | don't take it out on yourself |
| 18:27.05 | mheath | Even after I explained to him that my dad felt no patriotism or motivation, join the USAF to avoid being drafted into the USA and just stayed because the money was good, and constnatly tried to talk me out of joining |
| 18:27.13 | mheath | jlp_work: I don't agree with you |
| 18:27.16 | jlp_work | we used to have a saying: bash to fit, paint to hide |
| 18:27.20 | mheath | The little box analogy was true |
| 18:27.26 | mheath | But the military has lots of different little boxes |
| 18:27.32 | mheath | and the trick is finding the one that fits for you :) |
| 18:27.37 | findlay | and I've been pressuring mheath to join too |
| 18:27.45 | jlp_work | the trick is getting them to put you in the box that fits you :-) |
| 18:28.15 | jlp_work | my dad told me stories about when he signed up (career enlisted guy, retired as an E-9, Chief Master Sgt.) |
| 18:28.34 | jlp_work | he wanted to be a heavy equipment operator (you know, cranes, shovels, dozers, stuff like that) |
| 18:28.45 | mheath | The grass is always greener on the _other_ side. Nukes want to be non-Nukes, BM want to be something that doesn't suck :P |
| 18:28.46 | jlp_work | they told him he could either work with electronics or be a cook :-) |
| 18:29.04 | mheath | Yeah, some people get screwed. |
| 18:29.30 | Lone_Wanderer | What did he end up doing? |
| 18:29.34 | mheath | Heh, he could join the USN right now and do that stuff in a heartbeat....they're depereate for Seabees.... |
| 18:29.39 | mheath | *desperate |
| 18:31.51 | jlp_work | he worked on electronics, ECM (electronic counter measures) for years, then cross trained into personnel |
| 18:33.11 | findlay | I hate the 'real' world |
| 18:33.25 | findlay | people are always expecting you to do stuff that's infallible |
| 18:33.57 | graphyx | unlike the military that goes out and buys the 264$ infallible hammers. |
| 18:34.32 | findlay | this stupid website that I made keeps breaking in mysterious ways |
| 18:34.38 | findlay | and I can't figure out why |
| 18:34.45 | elg | because you're mysterious |
| 18:34.48 | graphyx | she breaks in mysterious ways |
| 18:35.10 | findlay | ~spell mysterious |
| 18:35.57 | Lone_Wanderer | graphyx: that music video was filmed in the city where I lived for two years as a kid. |
| 18:36.14 | Lone_Wanderer | (technically just outside of it, since that's the wall you're seeing in it, but whatever) |
| 18:36.46 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/shaking_off_amnesia_gonzales |
| 18:37.04 | mheath | graphyx: haha, real story.. |
| 18:37.13 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: I haven't seen the video. |
| 18:37.16 | mheath | About your massive-ammounts-of-infallible-hammers... |
| 18:37.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Well you SHOULD see it. |
| 18:37.27 | graphyx | lol |
| 18:37.29 | mheath | Right before I left, they had us painting like 8 small barracks rooms |
| 18:37.31 | graphyx | I don't watch tv |
| 18:37.44 | Lone_Wanderer | (The city is Rabat, Morocco. Or possible Marrakech. Or Casablanca. Anyway, it *looks* like Rabat's wall.) |
| 18:37.44 | graphyx | I don't have time. |
| 18:37.44 | mheath | The government had allowed the use of up to 16,000 paint rollers for painting those rooms |
| 18:37.55 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 18:38.02 | graphyx | 16000 paint rollers |
| 18:38.03 | graphyx | wow |
| 18:38.07 | findlay | that's silly |
| 18:38.09 | Lone_Wanderer | You know it was just some officer who had to fill out the forms |
| 18:38.14 | mheath | Mind you, we didn't _have_ 16,000 paint rollers |
| 18:38.14 | findlay | silly government |
| 18:38.19 | mheath | Just the funding and ability to requisition that many |
| 18:38.20 | Lone_Wanderer | and he didn't want to mess around so he looked up the max amount allowed, ever |
| 18:38.23 | Lone_Wanderer | and just entered that |
| 18:38.41 | graphyx | probably 1 paint roller per 15 square feet |
| 18:39.08 | graphyx | mheath: how much are you asking for the laptop? |
| 18:39.14 | mheath | graphyx: $500 |
| 18:39.20 | graphyx | and are you asking top dollar or get rid of it quick pricing? |
| 18:39.33 | mheath | graphyx: A good deal, personally, I think |
| 18:39.37 | graphyx | Ok |
| 18:39.41 | mheath | It was like $700 new a year ago, still decent, its been upgraded... |
| 18:39.43 | mheath | And its basically like new |
| 18:39.47 | mheath | Because I just had it repaired |
| 18:39.51 | graphyx | My current laptop stays with the company |
| 18:39.54 | mheath | They replaced the mainboard, and all of the external casing |
| 18:40.07 | graphyx | and my wife says we won't be able to afford one for a while. |
| 18:40.22 | graphyx | so I don't know what I will attempt yet |
| 18:40.38 | mheath | *shrug* If your interested, let me know |
| 18:40.47 | mheath | ITs a decent-but-cheap little laptop at not too bad of a price |
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| 18:45.55 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: No, you're not used to that game ;P |
| 18:46.01 | mheath | Just wait. Heh. |
| 18:46.09 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 18:47.03 | graphyx | thats the spirit. |
| 18:47.44 | graphyx | anyone happen to have a portable / car unit dvd player that I could borrow for a week or so? |
| 18:47.57 | mheath | graphyx: I have one I'm looking to sell actually |
| 18:47.58 | mheath | $50 |
| 18:48.06 | mheath | :P |
| 18:48.29 | graphyx | I won't be able to spend any extra money for like 4 months |
| 18:48.43 | graphyx | after we sell this house, buy the other one and get settled in. |
| 18:48.55 | graphyx | and the baby arrives and all that. |
| 18:49.53 | graphyx | wife is due in sept |
| 18:50.03 | graphyx | probably will arrive end of august. |
| 18:50.08 | graphyx | kid number 5. |
| 18:50.12 | Lone_Wanderer | grats |
| 18:50.18 | Lone_Wanderer | is it a boy, girl, or mystery? |
| 18:50.29 | elg | half and half |
| 18:50.55 | Lone_Wanderer | My parents never wanted to know before the baby was born if it was going to be a boy or a girl. |
| 18:51.09 | graphyx | girl |
| 18:51.23 | graphyx | It is cheaper to know before hand |
| 18:51.29 | graphyx | so that you can get all the clothes that you need |
| 18:51.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Cheaper? |
| 18:51.40 | Lone_Wanderer | You can't buy clothes after the baby's born? |
| 18:51.46 | graphyx | you can |
| 18:51.48 | elg | you can but you can't bargain shop |
| 18:51.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 18:51.53 | graphyx | but not at the causal yard sale. |
| 18:51.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I see, I see. |
| 18:51.59 | elg | and people don't give you hand me downs and shower gifts etc. |
| 18:52.12 | graphyx | I suppose that you could buy both types and just sell off the type that you didn't need. |
| 18:52.25 | mheath | "Education: that which reveals to the wise, and conceals from the stupid, the vast limits of their knowledge." -- Mark Twain |
| 18:52.34 | graphyx | and you have to could up with 50% less names. |
| 18:52.59 | graphyx | s/could/come/ |
| 18:53.06 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: wow, Mark Twain discovered the "unskilled and unaware of it" principle long before those researchers whose names I forgot. |
| 18:53.29 | mheath | Mark Twain discovered a lot of things. |
| 18:53.34 | graphyx | murthy? |
| 18:53.34 | mheath | I have a giant book of quotes from him |
| 18:53.48 | mheath | One of my favorite things to read |
| 18:54.02 | graphyx | he also said that if you took all the and it came to passes out of the book of Mormon that it would end up the size of a phamphlet. |
| 18:54.14 | mheath | haha |
| 18:54.26 | mheath | He was rather anti-mormon. |
| 18:54.32 | graphyx | yes |
| 18:54.45 | mheath | Thats still a funny thing to say :P |
| 18:55.01 | Lone_Wanderer | He said that the book of Ether was the only appropriately named book. |
| 18:55.11 | mheath | haha |
| 18:55.42 | graphyx | I think it was also said that the BoM was chloroform in print. |
| 18:56.09 | mheath | I find it hard to believe he said that because A) It is not funny, and B) chloroform hadn't been invented at the time. |
| 18:56.20 | graphyx | But I somehow get the feeling that he wasn't looking at it the same way as some others in the channel. |
| 18:56.57 | graphyx | wikipedia - "In 1847, the Edinburgh obstetrician James Young Simpson first used chloroform for general anesthesia during childbirth. T" |
| 18:57.21 | mheath | First use in 1847 |
| 18:57.28 | mheath | meh, nevermind |
| 18:57.30 | graphyx | yep |
| 18:58.03 | mheath | bah |
| 18:58.15 | mheath | I hate Orson Scott Card |
| 18:58.28 | mheath | The more of his stuff I read, the more convinced I am that the Ender's series is his only original work |
| 18:58.44 | mheath | So much of his stuff I've read just SCREAMS that he got the idea from someone else |
| 18:58.52 | graphyx | mheath: I feel the same way about a lot of his stuff. |
| 18:59.12 | mheath | I got a big book of short stories by him |
| 18:59.28 | mheath | And I'm just not enjoying it |
| 18:59.37 | mheath | But, I did start reading Pastwatch, and thats been decent so far |
| 18:59.42 | mheath | Except for character development |
| 18:59.47 | goozbach | pastwatch is pretty cool |
| 18:59.51 | goozbach | hard to get started |
| 18:59.59 | goozbach | but it redeems itself |
| 19:00.08 | mheath | He completely fails at making characters meaningful, or important, or different from the other characters, in all of his books except for Ender's |
| 19:00.28 | mheath | hahaha! |
| 19:00.45 | mheath | "Just the omission of Jane Austen's books alone would make a fairly good library out of a library that hadn't a book in it." |
| 19:01.48 | findlay | mheath: what is that supposed to mean? |
| 19:02.09 | mheath | What? the Mark Twain quote about Jane Austen, or OSC's lack of character development? |
| 19:02.22 | findlay | your last one |
| 19:02.40 | mheath | Uh, the last thing I said, or the last thing in the list asking for clarification? |
| 19:02.48 | findlay | nevermind |
| 19:02.53 | mheath | Haha. |
| 19:03.13 | mheath | It means what I said |
| 19:03.21 | mheath | His characters don't have personality |
| 19:03.30 | mheath | Or he focuses all the persoanlity on one character |
| 19:03.42 | mheath | So much so that everyone else seems just like extensions of the same person |
| 19:04.03 | mheath | Ender's Game....people CONNECT with ender. They think the same way does |
| 19:04.13 | mheath | Its an amazing character. |
| 19:04.22 | mheath | And its him that make the book such a bestseller |
| 19:04.52 | mheath | And if you read the original Enders Game short story vs the book, it would imply that he learned a lot about character development |
| 19:05.13 | mheath | In the short story, Ender is rather shallow, underdeveloped...lacks background, lacks motiviation etc....as with all the other characters in that book |
| 19:05.18 | mheath | *in that short story |
| 19:05.33 | mheath | You'd think he learned something about character development, but nothing in his other books show that... |
| 19:06.00 | sjansen | mheath: Have you read The Fold of the Fringe? |
| 19:06.06 | sjansen | s/Fold/Folk/ |
| 19:06.21 | goozbach | I rather enjoyed the charater development in the speaker for the dead, and Xenocide and Children of the Mind |
| 19:06.40 | sjansen | http://www.amazon.com/Folk-Fringe-Orson-Scott-Card/dp/0312876637 |
| 19:07.15 | sjansen | Ugh. Most of the later Ender books are _boring_. Whine, whine, whine. I killed a civilization. Whine, whine, whine. Feel superior. |
| 19:07.44 | sjansen | The Bean books are better 'cause Bean isn't so... whiny. |
| 19:07.56 | goozbach | personly I prefer the bean series |
| 19:08.20 | goozbach | bean rocks |
| 19:08.23 | goozbach | he's an awesome charater |
| 19:08.32 | sjansen | The only thing I liked about the later Ender books was the Portuguese. But Card kept translating it, which was annoying. |
| 19:09.02 | goozbach | Petra and Alai and Achlles were pretty good charaters |
| 19:09.04 | sjansen | And Piggies? Come on. I don't wan to feel sympathy for pigs. I want to feel sympathy for scorpions or something else scary and hard to love. |
| 19:10.48 | sjansen | re Card's lack of creativity: The Homecoming series is considered pretty creative by non-LDS critics. But for people familiar with LDS culture, it isn't. In fact, it's vaguely insulting. |
| 19:11.24 | sjansen | I once tried to translate gospel stories into science fiction. I quickly learned how hard it is to write a good parable. |
| 19:11.48 | sjansen | If you're not careful with your metaphors, you end up implying all sorts of things you don't want to. |
| 19:11.59 | sjansen | God != a machine, no matter how smart you make the computer. |
| 19:14.12 | graphyx | sjansen: I completely agree. |
| 19:14.47 | graphyx | I started to read that book and when I hit the word for word copy of the verse from the BoM I closed it and never picked it back up. |
| 19:15.25 | goozbach | oh yeah, I blocked the homecoming series from my memory |
| 19:15.31 | goozbach | forgotted about those |
| 19:15.39 | goozbach | didn't like em much |
| 19:16.10 | mheath | goozbach: Yeah, when I said Ender's I meant all of the Ender's series. Sorry. |
| 19:16.34 | sjansen | Don't get me wrong. I like and respect Card. Mostly. |
| 19:17.12 | goozbach | sjansen: come on! OSC is nothing but a Hitler apologist |
| 19:17.16 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:17.19 | sjansen | At it's not that his writing offends me. I didn't bat an eye for A Planet Called Treason. |
| 19:17.56 | sjansen | And in fact, The Folk of the Fringe is my favorite book by him. I like that it doesn't pull any punches on LDS culture. |
| 19:18.15 | sjansen | But I wish he were a little more... willing to analyze his own writing. |
| 19:19.12 | sjansen | I understand and agree with writers that don't want to be over analyzed. Tom Sawyer is about a little boy, it's fun, it's not a deep phsycological treatise on slavery, or feminism, or cats. |
| 19:19.20 | sjansen | But that's not an excuse to be sloppy. |
| 19:19.25 | findlay | mheath: why do you thing Twain was snubbing Jane Austen? |
| 19:20.25 | mheath | Because he directly said a librarby is better off for not having her books. Just said it in a humerous manner |
| 19:20.28 | mheath | How is that not clear? |
| 19:20.42 | findlay | mheath: that doesn't answer *why* |
| 19:20.57 | mheath | Because all of her works are boring and meaningless? |
| 19:21.12 | mheath | Have you ever READ Pride and Prejudice as compared to a Mark Twain work? |
| 19:21.14 | findlay | mheath: have you read any Jane Austen? |
| 19:21.18 | mheath | Mark Twain rights about real people, real life |
| 19:21.37 | mheath | Hers is pretentious crap about the boring lives of upper class. |
| 19:21.55 | findlay | ~troll mheath |
| 19:22.05 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares mheath a troll |
| 19:22.32 | mrpull | Safari browser on windows? |
| 19:22.35 | mrpull | whoa? |
| 19:23.24 | mheath | I'm going to plant a garden today, I decided. Trying to decide what to plant. |
| 19:23.30 | mheath | We've had a garden in years past |
| 19:23.39 | sjansen | mheath: Austen's writing is subtle and inciteful. Completely different from Twain's, but that doesn't make it bad. |
| 19:23.42 | mheath | but does anyone know any good website with info about what grows well in our climate, that sort of thing? |
| 19:24.00 | findlay | sjansen: inciteful? :) |
| 19:24.01 | sjansen | Personally, I loved Pride and Prejudice. |
| 19:24.08 | sjansen | insightful |
| 19:24.15 | mheath | sjansen: I have said very little about MY opinions of Jane Austen on her own |
| 19:24.21 | mrpull | mheath: you are a little late to the game. most stuff needs to be planted by now. |
| 19:24.25 | findlay | just thought it was a funny pun though unintentional |
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| 19:24.31 | sjansen | Although the idea of Austen's writing inciting anything is kinda humorous. |
| 19:24.39 | mheath | mrpull: I'm not starting with seed |
| 19:24.42 | mrpull | mheath: but if you look at the back of most seed packets it will tell you planting times |
| 19:24.56 | mheath | And most stuff is recommended to plant after mothers day time period to avoid frost |
| 19:25.01 | mheath | And that was only a few weeks ago |
| 19:25.32 | sjansen | "Have you ever READ Pride and Prejudice as compared to a Mark Twain work? Hers is pretentious crap about the boring lives of upper class." -- mheath |
| 19:25.41 | dna3e8 | MythDora is frustrating me enough i am about ready to offer $50 to for some one to get it to work |
| 19:26.06 | mrpull | dna3e8: buy a tivo |
| 19:26.11 | mrpull | it is cheaper and easier |
| 19:26.15 | findlay | for $50 :) |
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| 19:26.31 | mheath | Suref |
| 19:26.41 | mheath | You sign up for Direct TV in some places and they give you a free TiVo |
| 19:26.45 | dna3e8 | dos it distrubut content to othe computers |
| 19:26.47 | mheath | thats less than $50 :) |
| 19:26.53 | mheath | dna3e8: Yes. |
| 19:27.10 | mrpull | dna3e8: are you a directv customer? |
| 19:27.38 | jlp_work | mheath: not a tivo |
| 19:27.50 | jlp_work | all dvrs are not tivo |
| 19:28.03 | sjansen | It took awhile to get into _Sense and Sensibility_, but it was worth the read. _Emma_ is annoying me. I don't know if I'll be able to finish it. |
| 19:28.10 | dna3e8 | not a direct tv customewr |
| 19:28.47 | mrpull | dna3e8: OTA? Sat? Cable? Other? |
| 19:29.36 | dna3e8 | Comcast Cable now not sure what i will have in august |
| 19:29.46 | mrpull | HD a priority? |
| 19:29.51 | dna3e8 | no |
| 19:31.32 | mrpull | are you using a hotrod PC (or two) for myth? |
| 19:31.46 | dna3e8 | one pc for now |
| 19:32.07 | dna3e8 | but i am puttinga front end on my mac so i guess two |
| 19:32.12 | mrpull | most series2 tivo's can be had for cheap (or free) with a commitment to the service |
| 19:32.21 | mrpull | they run linux and are super hackable |
| 19:32.35 | mrpull | I think in the long run a real tivo is a better deal for me |
| 19:32.52 | dna3e8 | why? |
| 19:32.57 | findlay | even if it's a coldrod? :) |
| 19:33.22 | mrpull | I've seen people spend several hundred dollars to get their myth boxes to run smoothly |
| 19:34.35 | graphyx | lol @ google adsense. Related Pages  Sorry, the content you are trying to view does not exist.<br/> If ... |
| 19:34.35 | graphyx | SecurityFocus is designed to facilitate discussion on computer ... |
| 19:34.36 | graphyx | www.securityfocus.com |
| 19:50.40 | bonez41 | I have a javascript question...I try to download and open a fill in form from the IRS...it opens but includes this error > The plug-in required by this Java-Script action is no available...Informattion about this may be found at Adobe's web site.. |
| 19:50.55 | bonez41 | anyone know how to resolve this? I have googled it but havent found a solution yet |
| 19:51.38 | bonez41 | no = not |
| 19:53.22 | findlay | somebody entertain me |
| 19:53.54 | findlay | ~entertain me |
| 19:54.03 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for findlay's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
| 19:54.19 | graphyx | bonez41: it may be that it is looking for a pdf plugin. |
| 19:54.22 | graphyx | you try that? |
| 19:54.47 | findlay | graphyx: more likely something that can understand fdf |
| 19:54.55 | graphyx | findlay: don't you have solitaire installed? |
| 19:55.19 | findlay | the only thing that can do FDF that I know of is adobe reader |
| 19:55.24 | findlay | graphyx: nope |
| 19:55.37 | dna3e8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.35 | bonez41 | graphyx, well, it is a pdf that it opens...it's a fill in form...and without the plugin, I can't type in information to the form to have it print out... |
| 19:56.51 | bonez41 | graphyx, I am searching for the pdf plugin, but not having much luck finding it |
| 19:57.00 | graphyx | bonez41: try reinstalling abobe reader |
| 19:57.01 | findlay | bonez41: you need acrobat reader to fill in pdf forms |
| 19:57.10 | graphyx | it probably installs the plugin itseld. |
| 19:57.14 | findlay | kpdf and gpdf don't do that yet |
| 19:57.36 | findlay | or you can edit the fdf file by hand :) |
| 19:58.08 | bonez41 | I have acroread.... version 7.0.5 acrobat reader...... |
| 19:58.20 | bonez41 | I'll see if I can update to a newer version |
| 20:02.33 | bonez41 | I see 7.0.9 is available..perhaps this will resolve the issue... |
| 20:07.56 | bonez41 | findlay, you meant the .pdf file by hand, right? |
| 20:08.40 | findlay | bonez41: no there's probably an fdf file somewhere |
| 20:18.40 | bonez41 | findlay, in updating to 7.0.8 version..now the fill-in works..so I guess just needed upgrade |
| 20:19.44 | findlay | perhaps |
| 20:41.52 | findlay | proprietary lock-in is so stupid |
| 20:41.59 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: any chance we can get a plug-jobs list going? I field 4 or 5 e-mails a month from employeers asking if it is okay to post job listings to the list. |
| 20:42.25 | rsimpkins | A moderated list for job postings would help keep the flame fest down too, which is driving away some from posting jobs at all. |
| 20:42.29 | elg | maybe we should just put "it's ok to post relevant job postings" on the website |
| 20:42.47 | findlay | "because we enjoy a good flame now and then" |
| 20:42.48 | rsimpkins | elg: Try to explain a mailing list to a HR intern. |
| 20:42.54 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Your wanting a plug-jobs list is PISSING ME OFF! |
| 20:42.55 | findlay | rsimpkins: haha |
| 20:42.57 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 20:43.11 | rsimpkins | hehe |
| 20:43.22 | elg | rsimpkins: those statements are non sequitirs |
| 20:43.38 | elg | do you get emails wondering if it's ok to post a job posting to the list or not? |
| 20:44.01 | rsimpkins | elg: Regularly, and people asking how because they don't get mailing lists. |
| 20:44.10 | rsimpkins | They are used to job sites like monster.com, etc. |
| 20:44.32 | elg | then they have the concept of a mailing list already |
| 20:44.43 | rsimpkins | elg: Yes, but they don't CARE. |
| 20:44.48 | rsimpkins | That's the real issue. |
| 20:44.52 | elg | so why should we? |
| 20:44.58 | rsimpkins | I think we should. |
| 20:45.39 | elg | I think we shouldn't |
| 20:47.26 | elg | it's hard enough to weed out the loser companies without going out of our way to let the losers advertise on our list |
| 20:55.51 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:56.08 | graphyx | elg: I think that you should let them post jobs. And put a warning on the posting. |
| 20:56.29 | graphyx | Just have a link on the site to accept job postings and then put them in the moderation list. |
| 20:56.57 | findlay | elg: well you could then weed out exceptionally non-loser companies because they have the netiquette to wonder whether they can post job anouncements on the list |
| 20:57.05 | elg | i think people should be welcome to post jobs |
| 20:57.07 | findlay | and then don't bother |
| 20:57.30 | elg | it takes all of 10 minutes to subscribe, post, and even unsubscribe, and that's if you have to figure out how to do it from a set of instructions |
| 20:57.50 | elg | findlay: which is why we put an announcement on the website saying it is ok |
| 20:57.50 | findlay | that's not the point |
| 20:57.55 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:57.59 | findlay | oh |
| 20:58.03 | findlay | s/h/k/ |
| 21:03.12 | Tene | s/// |
| 21:07.16 | elg | s/s\/\/// |
| 21:07.29 | raventh1 | hahaha |
| 21:07.31 | raventh1 | ibot go |
| 21:09.14 | findlay | s/s\/s\\/\\/\/\/// |
| 21:09.31 | findlay | is that right? |
| 21:16.06 | findlay | s/s\/s\\/\\/\/\/// |
| 21:16.26 | findlay | -chat about s/// |
| 21:16.26 | brac | s/// is |
| 21:16.40 | findlay | s/// is what? |
| 21:16.42 | findlay | -chat about s/// |
| 21:16.42 | brac | s/// did |
| 21:16.49 | findlay | whatever |
| 21:29.33 | rsimpkins | elg: If there were a plug-jobs list would you subscribe? |
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| 21:39.51 | mheath | Wow |
| 21:39.54 | mheath | Safari for Windows :) |
| 21:40.18 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 21:40.18 | Tene | http://neutri.no/tmp/Safari.png |
| 21:40.25 | ^Migs^ | and soon OSX-Win |
| 21:40.48 | ^Migs^ | this is gonna suck, because soon I'll have to test my sites against THREE browsers instead of just TWO |
| 21:41.47 | findlay | why don't we just have one standards-compliant cross platform browser and be done with it? |
| 21:42.03 | mheath | findlay: they tried that idea kinda |
| 21:42.14 | mheath | Someone said "hey, lets standardize the web, so all the webpages look the same for everyone" |
| 21:42.18 | mheath | They invented a standard |
| 21:42.19 | mheath | a good standard |
| 21:42.22 | mheath | But, guess what? |
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| 21:42.33 | findlay | -chat about guess what |
| 21:42.33 | brac | guess what i read somewhere that would make any sense. |
| 21:42.37 | calvarez | he-lols |
| 21:42.37 | mheath | Microsoft couldn't care less. |
| 21:43.07 | Tene | ^Migs^: just put a big warning on your page saying "Microsoft Internet Explorer Only" |
| 21:43.14 | findlay | heh |
| 21:43.21 | calvarez | mheath, in Soviet Russia, less cares about you! |
| 21:43.29 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8roWvmwuu7w |
| 21:44.01 | calvarez | ^Migs^, my distro is bigger and manlier than your distro |
| 21:44.42 | findlay | 'You are not authorized to view this page until you install Internet Exploder. In the mean time you authorize us to compromise your privacy and upload garbageware onto your computer' |
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| 21:45.15 | goozbach | on pages I don't have to worry about I put some javascript teling the visitor to go get firefox |
| 21:46.42 | mheath | Can anyone comment on Ocean's 13? |
| 21:46.47 | mheath | I'm thinking about going to see that in a few minutes |
| 21:49.28 | mheath | goozbach: Thats as evil as webpages that block you out for no reason, because your not using IE. |
| 21:50.00 | sjansen | I first saw _The Secret_ when a white trash woman on day time TV recommended it. I was immediately suspicious. Good to see I was right. |
| 21:50.15 | rsimpkins | If you support IE only you support a very large number of people, and only exclude a small percentage. |
| 21:53.03 | sjansen | If you support IE, you hate your Web developers. |
| 21:53.14 | findlay | ha |
| 21:53.56 | goozbach | mheath: I'm making a political statement |
| 21:54.07 | rsimpkins | That's okay, web developers for IE are cheap. |
| 21:54.14 | findlay | goozbach is political |
| 21:54.15 | goozbach | "I use open source, you should too" |
| 21:54.29 | goozbach | or "I don't care what IE looks like" |
| 21:55.49 | sjansen | Every time an IE only site is created, another kitten dies. Think of the kittens! |
| 21:57.31 | rsimpkins | sjansen: luckily kittens are a renewable resource. *ducks* |
| 21:58.03 | calvarez | we should grind kittens, package the mush and send it to staving nations. |
| 21:58.08 | calvarez | starving* |
| 21:58.09 | sjansen | I don't get it. You're able to convert a duck in to a kitten? |
| 21:58.19 | calvarez | sjansen, just do a static cast |
| 21:58.42 | calvarez | ((Kitten*)(duck))->meow(); |
| 21:58.49 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 21:59.33 | calvarez | you n00bs, you're all using Cygwin |
| 22:01.44 | goozbach | sjansen: but if it werent for the kittens, how would we get all our poptarts? |
| 22:02.33 | calvarez | http://www.lolcode.com/ <- best programming language ever |
| 22:03.00 | calvarez | IM IN YR LOOP |
| 22:10.05 | goozbach | uppin UR ittrs |
| 22:15.46 | calvarez | hahahaha -> http://lolcats2.com/full/cast-magic-missile.jpg |
| 22:15.55 | calvarez | awesome :) |
| 22:16.30 | calvarez | hahaha, I'm still laughing |
| 22:18.21 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://lolcats2.com/forcefield.html |
| 22:18.22 | brac | [lolcats2: picture 31 of 288] |
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| 22:20.45 | nick125_lappy | http://lolcats2.com/iamacat.html |
| 22:20.46 | brac | [lolcats2: picture 56 of 288] |
| 22:23.48 | nick125_lappy | http://lolcats2.com/inurforum.html |
| 22:23.48 | brac | [lolcats2: picture 92 of 288] |
| 22:31.45 | harleypig | Is there a way I can have rewrite redirect if a file doesn't exist? E.g., I have a favicon.ico I want to use as a default, but if a favicon.ico exists in the root for a site then I want to use that instead. |
| 22:38.46 | goozbach | harleypig: look at rewrite condition |
| 22:39.03 | goozbach | I think maybe yes for that |
| 22:39.53 | harleypig | ok ... I'll see what I can dig up. |
| 22:40.44 | calvarez | http://lolcats2.com/full/cast-magic-missile.jpg |
| 22:40.46 | calvarez | the best one |
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| 23:32.49 | findlay | why do people feel compelled to talk to me about random stuff that doesn't matter? |
| 23:34.39 | Tene | findlay: That's kind of random, and doesn't matter to anyone else in here. |
| 23:35.03 | findlay | Tene: it's 301 K down here |
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| 23:35.33 | Tene | findlay: I have yellow letters on my screen. |
| 23:35.41 | findlay | Tene: me too! |
| 23:36.41 | elg | findlay: it's raining |
| 23:37.04 | elg | my cement slab form is built. the concrete is bought |
| 23:37.10 | elg | now if the rain will just let up for 10 minutes |
| 23:37.13 | beandog | random is the most fun of all |
| 23:37.19 | findlay | ~random |
| 23:37.26 | beandog | I watched an episode of CHiPs today |
| 23:37.43 | findlay | ~random |
| 23:37.50 | beandog | now I want a motorcycle and tan pants with a blue stripe. |
| 23:37.57 | elg | chips was an awesome show |
| 23:37.59 | Tene | ~rlart |
| 23:38.01 | ibot | urinates on TheTiGuR |
| 23:38.01 | jsmith | ~cookie |
| 23:38.34 | elg | TheTiGuR: you were right, finding someone to cut the wood was the hard part |
| 23:38.45 | beandog | elg: season 1 on dvd. |
| 23:38.47 | elg | first 2 cuts free, 25 cents per after that |
| 23:38.48 | beandog | came out tuesday |
| 23:39.39 | findlay | -chat about ~random |
| 23:39.39 | brac | ~random had |
| 23:42.12 | Tene | ~lart findlay |
| 23:42.12 | ibot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses findlay down |
| 23:42.16 | findlay | ~shoot cookie jar |
| 23:42.21 | ibot | ACTION shoots cookie jar in the foot with a spitwad! |
| 23:42.22 | findlay | ~shoot Tene |
| 23:42.26 | ibot | ACTION shoots Tene in the ear with a spitwad! |
| 23:42.36 | Tene | ~sjansen findlay |
| 23:42.39 | ibot | ACTION tells findlay good things about sjansen |
| 23:42.50 | findlay | ~dell Tene |
| 23:42.53 | ibot | Dude! Tene's getting a dell! |
| 23:43.00 | Tene | ~elg findlay |
| 23:43.02 | ibot | ACTION sandwichmaps findlay. |
| 23:43.10 | findlay | ~findlay Tene |
| 23:43.13 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps Tene. |
| 23:43.34 | Tene | ~nick125 findlay |
| 23:43.36 | ibot | ACTION puts findlay on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes findlay use Gentoo on there. |
| 23:44.55 | beandog | oh man. |
| 23:45.00 | beandog | gentoo and vps's suck. |
| 23:45.20 | findlay | heh |
| 23:45.30 | findlay | beandog: is utah-gentoo no more? |
| 23:45.41 | beandog | pretty much |
| 23:45.43 | beandog | no time. |
| 23:45.45 | findlay | :( |
| 23:54.49 | Sargun | -chat about nuclear weapons |
| 23:54.49 | brac | nuclear weapons |
| 23:55.08 | Sargun | nuclear weapons are powerful. |
| 23:55.10 | Sargun | -chat about nuclear weapons |
| 23:55.11 | brac | nuclear weapons are powerful. |
| 23:55.56 | findlay | ~nuke stuff |
| 23:56.07 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at stuff ... B☢☢M! |
