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| 01:05.27 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 01:06.13 | elg | ~seen emcnabb |
| 01:06.51 | ibot | emcnabb is currently on #utah, last said: 'elg: someone's bitter this morning'. |
| 01:06.53 | elg | -seen emcnabb |
| 01:06.53 | brac | emcnabb was last seen 5 days, 22 hours, 26 minutes and 53 seconds ago, joining #utah |
| 01:06.57 | emcnabb | wow, that's a new record for me |
| 01:10.10 | emcnabb | what have I missed over the last few weeks? has mheath been kicked out of the Navy yet? |
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| 01:15.36 | dna3e8_ | got cups to work |
| 01:15.59 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 01:18.18 | dna3e8_ | in the web interface is a button to use default config file (cups default not the packaged one) then allowd sharing cnaged one line |
| 01:45.08 | Sargun | Would someone -please- tell me why these are adult: |
| 01:45.08 | Sargun | http://www.bizrate.com/adult/warning__cat_id--23000200.html |
| 01:45.12 | Sargun | SFW |
| 01:56.33 | Tene | ISE |
| 02:00.07 | Sargun | ISE? |
| 02:00.10 | Sargun | ~ISE |
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| 02:06.15 | Tene | internal server error |
| 02:08.19 | vontrapp | yay! stormy on wed! |
| 02:08.21 | graphyx | Sargun what are you showinh |
| 02:08.38 | Sargun | oh. |
| 02:08.38 | vontrapp | i'm showing storms on wednesday |
| 02:08.39 | graphyx | you say it is sfw but the first thing I have to do is specify that I am 18... |
| 02:08.40 | Sargun | o.O |
| 02:08.44 | Sargun | yeah |
| 02:08.51 | graphyx | so what is it? |
| 02:08.52 | Sargun | graphyx, my question is, why does it want it to be over 18 |
| 02:08.54 | Tene | graphyx: he's saying that the check isn't necessary, as far as he can tell |
| 02:08.55 | Sargun | they're handcuffs. |
| 02:08.59 | graphyx | ok |
| 02:09.15 | vontrapp | what's this? |
| 02:09.27 | graphyx | Sargun Go ask your mom about this. |
| 02:10.02 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:10.03 | vontrapp | -links |
| 02:10.06 | Sargun | no |
| 02:10.12 | vontrapp | -urls |
| 02:10.12 | brac | [2007/06/04 19:45:12] <Sargun> http://www.bizrate.com/adult/warning__cat_id--23000200.html |
| 02:10.12 | brac | [2007/06/04 16:34:34] <elg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address |
| 02:10.13 | brac | [2007/06/04 16:34:27] <redbeard2> http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKL3051670020070601?rpc=92 |
| 02:10.13 | brac | [2007/06/04 16:32:58] <^Migs^> http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001764_1880 |
| 02:10.17 | Sargun | they aren't uh those "type" of handcuffs for all I can tell |
| 02:10.25 | Sargun | they're actual police handcuffs. |
| 02:10.37 | Sargun | I wouldn't see why anyone would want to use them for "that" reason. |
| 02:10.42 | Sargun | they're freaking heavy |
| 02:11.18 | vontrapp | what the heck is enviro friendly meat? |
| 02:11.32 | graphyx | no steroids used to grow it? |
| 02:11.38 | graphyx | no pestisides on the food fed. |
| 02:11.54 | graphyx | used on growing the food |
| 02:11.55 | graphyx | etc. |
| 02:12.03 | graphyx | that makes sense? |
| 02:12.54 | vontrapp | Dutch researchers are trying to grow pork meat in a laboratory with the goal of feeding millions without the need to raise and slaughter animals. |
| 02:13.09 | graphyx | interesting |
| 02:13.31 | vontrapp | sooo, let's just use our oil resources to grow meat instead |
| 02:13.32 | graphyx | and the thing that adds to it is if they can do it they can just grow the same culture of meat over and over again. |
| 02:13.37 | vontrapp | that's brirlliant |
| 02:13.55 | graphyx | who said that they couldn't use solar cells for power? |
| 02:14.09 | vontrapp | yeah right |
| 02:14.17 | graphyx | they are getting better. |
| 02:14.42 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 02:14.59 | vontrapp | says the methane expelled by the animals hurts the environment |
| 02:15.00 | graphyx | now that they try to do the focused light on a single element. |
| 02:15.09 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 02:15.09 | vontrapp | better stop farting, everyone |
| 02:15.16 | vontrapp | the tree huggers will get you |
| 02:15.32 | graphyx | co2 has been certified as a hazardous waste product for the first time. |
| 02:18.26 | herlo | so now we generate hazardous waste? |
| 02:18.26 | graphyx | yep |
| 02:18.26 | graphyx | that is the scary one. |
| 02:18.26 | vontrapp | great, i can't breathe either |
| 02:18.27 | graphyx | tree huggers need to find a new hobby. |
| 02:18.33 | vontrapp | sorry, holding my breath made it hardere to hold the fart |
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| 02:52.55 | tensai | most co2 expelled by cows comes out their mouths anyway, according to wikipedia |
| 02:53.49 | graphyx | tensai: it was the methane from the cows that was the concern. |
| 02:53.59 | tensai | graphyx: er, that's what I meant. the methane. |
| 02:54.09 | tensai | which is more potent as a greenhouse gas than co2 |
| 02:54.13 | vontrapp | they expell methane from their mouths? |
| 02:54.14 | graphyx | co2 coming out of a mouth made sense. |
| 02:54.25 | tensai | vontrapp: yes, because of how their stomachs work |
| 02:54.37 | vontrapp | yeah, i thought that after a minute |
| 02:54.39 | graphyx | I was gonna say, don't you? |
| 02:54.53 | tensai | graphyx: heh. I guess I do. |
| 02:54.55 | graphyx | I mean sjansen does... |
| 02:55.10 | tensai | co2, that is |
| 02:55.24 | graphyx | methane for sjansen. |
| 02:57.01 | tensai | I much prefer doing things where I know what I'm doing, rather than poking around blindly |
| 02:57.20 | graphyx | doing a birkman are you? |
| 02:58.17 | nick125_lappy | mmm |
| 02:58.28 | nick125_lappy | I really want to get a cisco 7960G someday |
| 02:58.48 | graphyx | what would you need that for? |
| 02:58.58 | nick125_lappy | No idea really |
| 02:59.02 | nick125_lappy | They are just really cool |
| 02:59.03 | graphyx | I was wondering |
| 02:59.14 | nick125_lappy | providing I ever get a real desk |
| 02:59.24 | graphyx | If you have that many systems at home you might as well start investing in racks. |
| 02:59.45 | nick125_lappy | 7960G is an IP phone |
| 02:59.55 | graphyx | freak |
| 02:59.57 | graphyx | I knew that |
| 03:00.08 | graphyx | no wonder it sounded so fabmiliar. |
| 03:00.11 | graphyx | we had them. |
| 03:00.22 | graphyx | I confused the big end switches with that. |
| 03:00.46 | graphyx | We were able to put custom display images on them |
| 03:00.52 | graphyx | and ring tones. |
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| 04:14.32 | emcnabb | Tecmo Bowl rocks |
| 04:21.23 | pmcnabb | emcnabb: i remember you used to be gone for hours playing Tecmo Bowl at the neighbor's |
| 04:22.47 | tensai | ~praise tecmo bowl |
| 04:22.49 | ibot | All hail tecmo bowl! |
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| 05:43.09 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 05:44.44 | tensai | evening nothing. it's night time, lad |
| 05:44.55 | tensai | time for all the sane boys and girls to be in bed |
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| 11:43.17 | ^Migs^ | omfearly |
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| 12:00.01 | ^Migs^ | omfearly |
| 12:00.01 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 12:00.02 | ^Migs^ | how is everyone this fine day? |
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| 12:52.15 | goozbach | good morning #utah |
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| 13:11.16 | dna3e8_ | hi |
| 13:13.42 | tensai | おはよう |
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| 13:44.42 | goozbach | echo people! |
| 13:44.51 | goozbach | can I get an Echo! |
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| 13:46.36 | goozbach | run! it's the ELG!!! |
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| 13:47.49 | goozbach | he'll get you with his horns, run! |
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| 13:59.54 | graphyx | I am starting to work programming in c. What is the quickest way to get a doc deference for functions an command line in linux? |
| 14:00.11 | graphyx | or any other good suggestions for working with it? |
| 14:01.56 | elg | antlers, goozbach |
| 14:01.57 | elg | they're called antlers |
| 14:02.26 | goozbach | graphyx: pod |
| 14:02.40 | elg | graphyx: I don't understand the question |
| 14:02.44 | elg | unless the answer is man |
| 14:02.47 | goozbach | elg: they're horns to me |
| 14:02.59 | goozbach | graphyx: man |
| 14:03.05 | goozbach | you want man |
| 14:03.46 | elg | emcnabb: does your bro play bagpipes in this shindig on saturday? |
| 14:03.51 | goozbach | s/stand/stand,/ |
| 14:04.21 | elg | or is it mooseril |
| 14:04.21 | goozbach | an elg, wearing armour? |
| 14:04.24 | goozbach | heh |
| 14:08.16 | graphyx | I do man memcpy and it doesn't have an entry? |
| 14:08.19 | graphyx | whats up with that? |
| 14:15.34 | elg | what distro? |
| 14:15.56 | elg | in any case, you probably don't have the development manpages installed |
| 14:17.14 | graphyx | that is probably it |
| 14:17.15 | graphyx | debain |
| 14:17.19 | graphyx | debian |
| 14:18.09 | graphyx | any idea what the package would be? |
| 14:19.11 | goozbach | apt-cache search perhaps? |
| 14:19.13 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:20.25 | elg | manpages-dev or something like that |
| 14:21.08 | graphyx | yeah |
| 14:21.15 | graphyx | found it with the search. |
| 14:21.30 | graphyx | which i found with goozbach's help. |
| 14:21.55 | elg | amazing how helpful even with a "horn" through him he can be |
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| 14:23.39 | graphyx | Is there an ide extension for vi that would pop up a display for c calls that there were manpages for? |
| 14:23.49 | graphyx | like in some gui ide I have seen? |
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| 14:27.19 | vontrapp_ | cscope |
| 14:28.26 | elg | graphyx: K |
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| 14:33.14 | goozbach | graphyx: yeah, vim7 I beleive that the key sequence is <ctrl>-X, something |
| 14:33.27 | goozbach | MOO!!!! |
| 14:33.45 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin fozzmoo |
| 14:33.45 | ibot | onjoin for fozzmoo set by herlo on Wed May 23 11:01:34 2007: MOOOO! |
| 14:33.46 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 14:34.31 | goozbach | that's Fozziliny George Moo to you ibot, only his friends can call him moo. |
| 14:34.51 | elg | in vim anything it's K |
| 14:46.49 | Sargun | ~hugs all |
| 14:47.00 | ibot | hugs all even though it's not "prim & proper" to do so |
| 14:47.01 | Sargun | ~hug everyone |
| 14:47.04 | ibot | ACTION hugs everyone |
| 14:49.31 | QBFreak | ibot: onjoin tene |
| 14:49.31 | ibot | onjoin for tene set by elg on Tue May 8 15:54:27 2007: -chat about bots should |
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| 15:37.34 | graphyx | what is a good rent price for a 3 bdrm 2 bath house in orem area? |
| 15:37.48 | graphyx | any comments? |
| 15:39.28 | jnbek | graphyx: 650-700 |
| 15:39.47 | jnbek | wup to 850.. maybe |
| 15:40.02 | jnbek | depends on the neighborhood |
| 15:40.10 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:40.11 | ^Migs^ | http://www.jbcdetoss.nl/afbeeldingen/snot.jpg |
| 15:40.42 | graphyx | what if it has utopia? |
| 15:40.49 | graphyx | that make a difference? |
| 15:41.38 | jnbek | not that i know of |
| 15:42.02 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:42.12 | jnbek | as far as i know, most if not all of orem has it, they were talking about having it done fall of 2006 |
| 15:45.55 | ^Migs^ | still have a programming position open here at the district |
| 15:46.01 | ^Migs^ | great benefits |
| 15:46.09 | dna3e8_ | this line work when typed in terminal but not in a script: |
| 15:46.11 | dna3e8_ | screen -dmS for ssh -f -N -L 24800:$SynS:24800 $synS |
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| 15:51.31 | dna3e8_ | is the a 'script' line that i can run to kill any process on port xxxx |
| 15:51.55 | dna3e8_ | I wan tto have my script clear the port before trying to open a ssh tunnel |
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| 15:54.25 | dna3e8_ | ~sing and dance |
| 15:54.53 | levi | I still get that stupid song stuck in my head occasionally. |
| 15:55.26 | Jayce^ | levi, big fan of bhanghra music? |
| 15:55.39 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:55.43 | levi | Not really. :P |
| 15:55.57 | levi | Stupid ^Migs^ just posted a link to that video here. |
| 15:56.14 | harleypig | Stoopid public panic. |
| 15:56.25 | Jayce^ | yeah, liked the phonetic wording video |
| 15:56.54 | harleypig | A doctor was arrested a few weeks ago for "overprespribing" medication ... now the doctor won't prescribe me any more painkiller till the end of the month. |
| 15:57.14 | harleypig | Even though he only prescribed 2 weeks worth 3 1/2 weeks ago. |
| 15:59.47 | levi | Darned doctors. |
| 16:00.24 | harleypig | I don't blame the doctor, I blame the sheeple. |
| 16:09.18 | thaddeusq | harleypig: I read that wrong I read "A doctor was arrested...now same doctor..." Instead of "A doctor...now my doctor..." :) |
| 16:09.51 | harleypig | I have my doubts as to whether or not the doctor really overprescribed as well. |
| 16:10.43 | thaddeusq | I shudder anytime courts get involved in a field they are not familiar with. |
| 16:11.15 | thaddeusq | Law enforcement deciding what is overprescribing... or any other field... |
| 16:11.22 | harleypig | Which is anything medical, technical or involves common sense. |
| 16:12.24 | thaddeusq | common what? Not familiar with that. |
| 16:13.31 | harleypig | :] |
| 16:16.18 | Jayce^ | harleypig just wants to self-prescribe |
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| 16:20.01 | levi | http://weirdthingshappenalltime.blogspot.com/2007/06/one-second-taser-burst.html |
| 16:21.04 | harleypig | Meh ... if I was able to do that I'd choose morphine. |
| 16:22.36 | Jayce^ | niiiice levi |
| 16:22.50 | Jayce^ | if it was harleypig, he wouldn't have thought twice about the cat |
| 16:23.00 | levi | Apparently Snopes can neither confirm nor deny the reality of the story. |
| 16:23.06 | levi | But it's funny anyway. |
| 16:30.33 | levi | http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2007-06.html#e2007-06-05T08_11_49.htm |
| 16:41.02 | harleypig | It wouldn't have even occurred to me to *not* do it. I'd be tasing that damn cat before I even thought about it. |
| 16:41.21 | harleypig | After I thought about it I'd start applying the taser to interesting body parts. |
| 16:43.42 | elg | me too |
| 16:44.36 | findlay | yeah. Gnomes are just annoying |
| 16:44.54 | tristanbob_ | they steal your underpants! |
| 16:45.53 | levi | elg: The guy who wrote Gambit Scheme just wrote a little scheme-to-Erlang compiler. |
| 16:46.07 | levi | Now I don't have to finish learning Erlang! ;) |
| 16:46.22 | elg | haha |
| 16:46.59 | findlay | what's everybody's favorite registrar? |
| 16:47.07 | rsimpkins | findlay: 1and1.com - dang cheap |
| 16:47.15 | findlay | ok |
| 16:47.21 | findlay | thanks rsimpkins |
| 16:47.25 | rsimpkins | findlay: I do 1and1, my own master dns server, and everydns for failover |
| 16:48.16 | harleypig | godaddy! They got hot chicks! |
| 16:48.19 | rsimpkins | findlay: If it is important (for a company) I'd go with netsol or register.com |
| 16:48.52 | rsimpkins | everydns is a great service if you aren't using it. |
| 16:48.56 | rsimpkins | I highly recommend them. |
| 16:49.02 | findlay | harleypig: I prefer to keep my chicken intake low |
| 16:49.10 | levi | everydns is indeed great. |
| 16:49.14 | findlay | especially if they are hot |
| 16:49.31 | Jayce^ | levi, scheme -> erlang, that's pretty nifty.. |
| 16:49.31 | tristanbob_ | I use godaddy |
| 16:49.37 | harleypig | ? Isn't chicken better well cooked? |
| 16:50.23 | findlay | yes, but not hot (sipcy) |
| 16:51.56 | findlay | is it common for registrars to reregister domains to themselves that have expired? |
| 16:53.11 | dna3e8_ | sounds lick a dis reputable registar |
| 16:54.16 | findlay | well, I went and looked up my old domain name and it says it's already registered and it looks like my old registrar put a link farm on it |
| 16:54.39 | dna3e8_ | Public Poll: How long have you used Linux as a main operating system? |
| 16:55.30 | harleypig | Almost 10 years |
| 16:55.46 | Jayce^ | and he's still trying to figure out how to log in.. |
| 16:55.47 | findlay | although the whois info still says I'm the registrant |
| 16:56.05 | findlay | looks kind of fishy to me |
| 16:56.19 | harleypig | Naw ... once the gui login tools worked I figured out how to do that to me. |
| 16:56.25 | harleypig | err ... yeah |
| 16:56.44 | harleypig | Note to self: Don't read whilst typing. |
| 17:00.45 | Jayce^ | whee, plug.org renewal time already.. |
| 17:01.11 | findlay | then I will be the master |
| 17:01.25 | Jayce^ | actually, august is the renewal, but hey |
| 17:01.39 | Jayce^ | maybe I'll let that link farmer buy it from me.. |
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| 17:06.27 | findlay | yup, dna3e8_ was right. This registrar is a jerk |
| 17:06.42 | beandog | which one? |
| 17:06.51 | levi | http://www.research.att.com/~bs/hopl-almost-final.pdf <- Stroustrup writes about the evolution of C++ from 1991 to 2006 |
| 17:07.53 | findlay | they basically reregistered my old domain so that I can't register it with anybody else |
| 17:08.27 | findlay | beandog: they are called Lowest Domain Rates.com |
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| 17:08.42 | beandog | findlay: hmm, that sucks. |
| 17:08.58 | beandog | I dont think Ive ever heard of a registrar that people havent had problems with. |
| 17:09.06 | findlay | heh |
| 17:11.14 | Jayce^ | findlay, pretty common practice |
| 17:12.32 | bonez39 | what is the name of the logging/journaling text files which developers keep as they upgrade and fix and refine a product? |
| 17:13.12 | bonez39 | is it a bug list< or upgrade list? I know there is a certain term for such documentation...showing things improved as the software evolves.....anyone? |
| 17:15.49 | Jayce^ | changelog |
| 17:20.48 | findlay | Jayce^: how long will they hang onto it? |
| 17:23.10 | bonez39 | changelog..that's it..thank you..... |
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| 17:30.42 | Jayce^ | findlay, depends on the company and their redemption policies |
| 17:32.15 | graphyx | is there a lug getogether soon? |
| 17:33.25 | findlay | as long as we don't make Jayce^ and harleypig sing |
| 17:33.37 | harleypig | in speedos |
| 17:34.54 | beandog | isnt there a plug bbq soon? |
| 17:35.39 | harleypig | yeah ... rsimpkins? |
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| 17:48.48 | Jayce^ | beandog, the 16th |
| 17:49.02 | beandog | ooh that reminds me |
| 17:49.04 | beandog | movies in the park |
| 17:49.30 | beandog | karate kid, raiders of the lost ark, and neverending story |
| 17:49.32 | beandog | gotta write about that. |
| 17:49.37 | beandog | slc++ |
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| 17:52.40 | findlay | Anton Bruckner++ |
| 17:59.47 | rsimpkins | harleypig: Yo. |
| 18:00.12 | graphyx | rsimpkins: is there a bbq for plug soon? |
| 18:00.38 | rsimpkins | graphyx: http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2007-May/026432.html |
| 18:00.38 | brac | [PLUG Summer Party: Saturday, June 16th @6pm-9pm] |
| 18:00.49 | graphyx | oh, ok |
| 18:00.50 | rsimpkins | beandog: http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2007-May/026432.html |
| 18:00.50 | brac | [PLUG Summer Party: Saturday, June 16th @6pm-9pm] |
| 18:01.25 | rsimpkins | Could someone help set up a wiki page so we can coordinate who is brining what? |
| 18:07.05 | levi | elg: Here's an interesting language to consider for interoperability with C++: http://felix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:07.09 | brac | [Felix Language Homepage] |
| 18:17.44 | sjansen | Well, this is shaping up to be an interesting week. |
| 18:20.34 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.57 | findlay | the interwebs were up over here |
| 18:21.17 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.10 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.29 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.40 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.36 | harleypig | :D |
| 18:26.36 | harleypig | You should start humming counterpoint |
| 18:26.36 | graphyx | takes a liking and keeps humming along. |
| 18:26.37 | graphyx | hum off key from what she is humming. |
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| 18:32.31 | findlay | bah, hums |
| 18:32.42 | findlay | you should all feel jealous because I have Bruckner |
| 18:33.01 | findlay | Bruckner's 7th, to be precise |
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| 18:52.44 | levi | Oooh, new MacBooks. |
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| 18:58.31 | sjansen | Is there a difference between crossover and rollover? |
| 18:58.58 | harleypig | It's kind of like my crossing your path and rolling over you. |
| 18:58.59 | harleypig | :> |
| 18:59.18 | findlay | is there a way to turn off certain gnome tooltips? |
| 18:59.40 | sjansen | Any reason a gigabit crossover adapter would be different from normal crossover adapter? Seems like marketing smoke to me. |
| 19:00.36 | sjansen | Before yesterday, I'd never heard of a rollover cable. Sounds like the same thing to me. |
| 19:00.55 | findlay | whenever I go to click a virtual desktop in the panel the tooltip (which was useful for about 2 seconds 6 years ago) "Switch between workspaces" shows up and agressively follows the cursor around but never goes away |
| 19:04.08 | sjansen | You click to switch? |
| 19:04.15 | findlay | sometimes |
| 19:04.25 | findlay | depends on if I have the mouse in my hand at the time |
| 19:05.03 | findlay | dude, that takes more time if I have to move my hand from the desktop side rodent |
| 19:06.50 | findlay | usually I use either ctrl+alt+arrow or ctrl+alt+F[1-7] |
| 19:14.39 | amcnabb | sjansen, the gigabit one might have better shielding. |
| 19:14.58 | amcnabb | And what's a rollover cable? |
| 19:20.37 | sjansen | amcnabb: That's what I'm wondering. Based on context, sounds like rollover == crossover. |
| 19:21.09 | findlay | silly marketpeople |
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| 19:42.49 | sjansen | USB over ethernet cable? cool |
| 19:43.06 | elg | emcnabb over ethernet? cool |
| 19:43.18 | elg | amcnabb: do you play bagpipes in the shindig on saturday? |
| 19:43.23 | ^Migs^ | firewire over USB over ethernet over carrier pigeons |
| 19:43.42 | amcnabb | elg, I haven't heard about the shindig, so I guess not. :) |
| 19:44.15 | findlay | USB over fire? |
| 19:44.16 | elg | utah scottish festival |
| 19:44.22 | elg | my dad is in the highland games |
| 19:44.28 | findlay | aw, I missed it |
| 19:45.12 | elg | apparently there will be bagpipe band competitions |
| 19:45.36 | elg | http://www.utahscots.org/saturdaysc.html |
| 19:45.37 | brac | [Utah Scottish Association Highland Games & Scottish Festival] |
| 19:45.55 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 19:46.05 | amcnabb | I went to that one last year or the year before. |
| 19:46.15 | amcnabb | They didn't seem quite as music-oriented as I would have liked. |
| 19:53.52 | graphyx | erhaps they were trying to attract a more varied crowd this year. |
| 19:58.06 | ^Migs^ | http://qdb.us/89351 |
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| 19:58.07 | brac | [QDB: Quote #89351] |
| 20:02.07 | elg | ha, that |
| 20:02.07 | elg | s a great idea |
| 20:07.40 | elg | ha, Jonathan's π birthday is 12/06, and Erin's due date is 12/04. |
| 20:12.54 | findlay | looks like I forgot to start my screen session in UTF-8 mode again |
| 20:13.25 | findlay | hm, but it's in my ~/.screenrc |
| 20:21.25 | levi | Erin's got a due date already? |
| 20:21.59 | elg | my Erin |
| 20:22.04 | elg | not the bajoran |
| 20:22.09 | levi | Oh. |
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| 20:24.02 | levi | Well, I've successfully glued conman and freeipmi's Serial over LAN support together. It's not finished, but it seems to work. :) |
| 20:24.24 | jsmith | levi: Awesome! |
| 20:36.10 | QBFreak | I was thinking just the other day how nice it would be to find a wireless serial extender I could stick on my VT320 and then I thought about serial over lan and then I got distracted :) |
| 20:37.37 | QBFreak | speaking of dumb terminals, anyone want a functioning Wyse terminal with keyboard? |
| 20:37.43 | QBFreak | it needs to go |
| 20:38.38 | QBFreak | also needing new homes: KayPro 2X, includes CP/M and Wordstar disks and daisywheel printer, 8088 with boxes of 5.25" disks, 286 that used to drive the wyse terminal |
| 20:38.48 | QBFreak | both PC clones have keyboard and monitor |
| 20:39.01 | QBFreak | everything worked at last check (a few years ago) |
| 20:45.19 | QBFreak | Lost terminal? aren't they kinda big to just up and lose like that? :) |
| 20:46.49 | QBFreak | ohnoes! Tene got his tail clipped |
| 20:46.53 | QBFreak | bobbed? |
| 20:48.02 | QBFreak | and now I leave |
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| 20:55.37 | Tene | heh |
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| 21:58.00 | TimRiker | ~literal rlart |
| 21:58.11 | ibot | "rlart" is "<reply> see lart $randnick" |
| 21:58.12 | TimRiker | ~rlart |
| 21:58.15 | ibot | slaps bonez39 around with a large trout |
| 21:59.13 | elg | beandog: I feel your pain. welcome to 3/4 of the year in las cruces |
| 21:59.28 | elg | avg inside temperature in my apt: 87° |
| 22:00.38 | Jayce^ | beandog, at Ricks you complained it was too cold... now it's too hot.. geez |
| 22:00.45 | levi | And that is why I have an air conditioner. |
| 22:01.10 | elg | that's *with* the swamp cooler on all day |
| 22:06.56 | sjansen | beandog: I've got a used window A/C unit I could give you a good deal on. Helped me to survive a summer in an oven^?apartment in provo a few years ago. |
| 22:07.10 | elg | ironically, it's better here if you do have a brick house |
| 22:07.10 | elg | or adobe |
| 22:08.09 | findlay | with svg |
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| 22:14.14 | levi | And that's why I have an air conditioner, and not a swamp cooler. |
| 22:16.26 | ^Migs^ | pfft |
| 22:16.31 | ^Migs^ | swamp coolers can cool your entire house down in 5 minutes |
| 22:16.38 | ^Migs^ | less than that |
| 22:16.57 | levi | Not elg's apartment, apparently. |
| 22:17.15 | ^Migs^ | an apartment even. That's less than 1 minute, with a good swamp cooler at least |
| 22:17.38 | elg | Maybe in Utah |
| 22:17.48 | findlay | why just in Utah? |
| 22:18.04 | elg | i didn't say just in utah |
| 22:18.17 | findlay | is the atmosphere prejudiced agains swamp coolers outside of Utah? |
| 22:18.51 | Jayce^ | in some ways yes, but NM should be better for it than utah (works best in dry climates) |
| 22:18.57 | elg | the atmosphere is prejudiced against swamp coolers in many places |
| 22:18.59 | findlay | right |
| 22:19.21 | elg | yes, this is a pretty decent place for swamp coolers |
| 22:19.24 | elg | which is why they're so popular |
| 22:20.12 | ^Migs^ | that's kind of why swamp coolers only work in the desert, findlay |
| 22:20.26 | elg | but when the sun is beating down and the shade temperature is 40°C |
| 22:20.27 | ^Migs^ | it's ASSUMED there's low humidity when you have a swamp cooler |
| 22:21.06 | elg | the swamp cooler suddenly is not as magically effective as ^Migs^ believes |
| 22:21.48 | ^Migs^ | unless it's a level 7 Swamp Cooler of Infinite Freeze |
| 22:22.35 | elg | now you're hallucinating |
| 22:23.04 | elg | swamp coolers cool things down only to the point of mug |
| 22:23.17 | findlay | well, I was confused becase elg seemed to think ^Migs^'s sqamp cooler-fu would not work for his Provo apartment even though it was in Utah |
| 22:23.20 | elg | when the apartment reaches mug, they stop working |
| 22:24.25 | elg | findlay: all I'm saying is swamp coolers work great when they don't have that much to do |
| 22:24.51 | findlay | temperature-wise or humidity-wise? |
| 22:24.55 | findlay | or both? |
| 22:25.49 | elg | spritzing yourself with a water bottle works great too. It doesn't take rocket science to be as good as a swamp cooler |
| 22:25.49 | elg | swamp coolers are popular where they work, because they are cheap to build and operate |
| 22:25.49 | findlay | true |
| 22:26.17 | elg | people on average will do the cheapest thing to get comfort at the just good enough level |
| 22:31.41 | levi | According to the Psychrometric chart on Wikipedia along with their their description of swamp cooler efficiency, you should be able to do much better with a swamp cooler than you seem to be doing. |
| 22:31.54 | levi | Perhaps your cooler needs maintenance? |
| 22:37.03 | findlay | if the pads get lots of hard water deposition it doesn't work as well |
| 22:37.12 | findlay | generally you should change the pads every year |
| 22:37.21 | elg | they do all that maintenance in april when they turn them on |
| 22:37.37 | elg | i.e. switch from heater to cooler |
| 22:38.28 | levi | Huh. Well, it sucks that you have to deal with the heat. I don't sleep well when it's that warm. |
| 22:38.53 | elg | oh it's ok at night |
| 22:39.12 | elg | once the sun sets the swamp cooler brings the temp down nicely before bed. we don't have to keep it on at night |
| 22:39.16 | elg | just a fan to keep the air moving |
| 22:39.24 | elg | and the windows open |
| 22:39.46 | elg | it's just during the day that the swamp cooler can't cool as well as the sun can heat |
| 22:40.01 | elg | well, they reach an equilibrium at about 85° |
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| 22:41.21 | levi | I imagine the air temperature coming out of the cooler is less than that, but is not sufficient to overcome the continuous radiant heat from the walls, windows, etc. |
| 22:41.48 | elg | righ |
| 22:42.02 | elg | if you sit where the cooler can hit you, coming out of the vent, it's not bad |
| 22:42.33 | elg | which is why adobe is so much better |
| 22:42.58 | elg | i've heard people say they don't even really need a/c of any sort here that live in adobe |
| 22:43.09 | elg | i don't know if I believe it quite that much, but it does make a big difference |
| 22:43.19 | levi | Due to less heat transfer through the material? |
| 22:43.31 | elg | due mostly to the high thermal mass of the thick adobe walls |
| 22:43.46 | elg | takes forever for the sun to heat that much wall up |
| 22:43.53 | elg | and then at night they lose a lot of heat |
| 22:44.12 | elg | and by the same token, in the winter they keep things warm. basically a low pass filter |
| 22:44.25 | levi | Or you could build your house mostly underground. :) |
| 22:44.45 | elg | yup, that'd work great too |
| 22:44.51 | levi | I've seen a few of those around. |
| 22:45.26 | elg | speaking of thermal mass |
| 22:45.30 | levi | Basically a basement that extends a few feet above the ground, and a roof on top of it. |
| 22:45.34 | elg | i'm going to home depot tonight or in the morning to get me some cement |
| 22:45.52 | elg | to pour the roof of my oven |
| 22:46.01 | levi | I'm so tired of cement-based products. I spent all of yesterday tiling. |
| 22:46.11 | levi | Well, all of yesterday after work. |
| 22:46.32 | levi | But I left work early, so it was a long time! And I didn't finish until nearly midnight! |
| 22:46.36 | elg | tiling is one of the most tolerable cement jobs |
| 22:46.50 | elg | i know the late night tile grouting sessions well |
| 22:47.00 | elg | we had a *lot* of tile in the house we built |
| 22:47.02 | levi | I'll be grouting today. |
| 22:47.05 | elg | and our neighbors too |
| 22:47.12 | elg | and I helped them a lot when they were building |
| 22:47.36 | levi | So you sold your house and went back to apartment-dwelling for grad school? |
| 22:47.49 | elg | this is when I was a kid |
| 22:47.54 | levi | Oh, okay. |
| 22:48.01 | elg | haven't bought a house yet |
| 22:49.40 | levi | Anyway, I may end up building a brick oven when I move from the condo to a house or townhome. |
| 22:50.05 | levi | If I can bring myself to deal with cement again. ;) |
| 22:50.25 | elg | the pain fades |
| 22:50.42 | elg | you delude yourself into thinking you can manage with less mess and pain the next time |
| 22:50.43 | levi | Yeah. Funny thing about human psychology... |
| 22:51.01 | levi | Like women can decide they want to have another baby. |
| 22:51.02 | elg | ya. |
| 22:51.24 | elg | though it's partially true - the better you get (i.e. the more practice) the easier it is to deal with the stuff |
| 22:51.46 | levi | elg: Did you see my link to the felix language? |
| 22:51.54 | elg | briefly |
| 22:52.04 | elg | what's cool about it? |
| 22:52.54 | levi | Well, I found it while reading a thread comparing MLton with OCaml, and the designer of felix was contributing. |
| 22:53.15 | redbeard2 | who wants a free ticket for two to a screening of ocean's thirteen tomorrow morning at the gateway at 10am? first person to /msg me with their email address gets it |
| 22:53.54 | elg | redbeard2: is it transferrable to new mexico? :) |
| 22:53.55 | levi | I like OCaml, and felix seems to have a lot of the same features, so I figured it'd be worth checking out. |
| 22:54.15 | redbeard2 | elg: if you can make it up here in time, sure |
| 22:56.25 | levi | elg: You'd have to get used to the ML-style syntax, which you didn't seem too crazy about when you encountered it in Scala, but you really should get yourself familiar with it anyway. :) |
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| 22:58.32 | graphyx | whew! |
| 22:58.39 | graphyx | my phone still works |
| 22:58.50 | graphyx | I left it buried in rice for 3 days |
| 22:59.07 | graphyx | and on the 3rd day, I put a charged battery in it and turned it on. |
| 22:59.09 | graphyx | and it worked. |
| 23:00.29 | levi | Buried in rice?! |
| 23:00.35 | jlp_work | graphyx: what was wrong with your phone that caused you to do that? |
| 23:00.49 | jlp_work | dropped in water? |
| 23:00.51 | levi | Was that to soak water out of it or something? |
| 23:01.16 | *** part/#utah jaywalla (n=jay@65.103.247.238) |
| 23:01.38 | jlp_work | my son got in the hot tub yesterday with his phone in his pocket. I took it apart, dried it all out, reassembled, no workie. :-( |
| 23:01.45 | graphyx | It went through a full cycle in the washing machine. |
| 23:01.50 | jlp_work | if burying it in rice is a valid solution, I might try it |
| 23:02.15 | jlp_work | for now, we've moved his sim card to an old phone and he's back in operation, but he likes his phone better |
| 23:02.18 | graphyx | the rice dries out the air and that pulls the water out of the workings. |
| 23:02.48 | jlp_work | I'll give it a try... thanks for the tip |
| 23:06.53 | ph4se | hey, does anyone have a syslogd replacement that they would recommend? |
| 23:08.50 | beandog | syslog-ng |
| 23:09.05 | beandog | sjansen: still around? |
| 23:10.10 | findlay | metalog |
| 23:10.18 | beandog | that too |
| 23:13.04 | ph4se | cool, thanks |
| 23:23.05 | sjansen | beandog: I'm back. |
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| 23:23.45 | sjansen | ~lend sontek a terminal |
| 23:24.36 | sontek | sjansen: thanks! |
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| 23:45.38 | sjansen | o/~ Whistling, whistling, whistling in the dark. ~/o |
| 23:47.23 | sjansen | herlo: Why? |
| 23:47.28 | sjansen | Theres only one thing that I know how to do well |
| 23:47.28 | sjansen | And Ive often been told that you only can do |
| 23:47.28 | sjansen | What you know how to do well |
| 23:47.28 | sjansen | And thats be you, |
| 23:47.28 | sjansen | Be what youre like, |
| 23:47.29 | sjansen | Be like yourself, |
| 23:47.31 | sjansen | And so Im having a wonderful time |
| 23:47.33 | sjansen | But Id rather be whistling in the dark |
| 23:47.35 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 23:47.39 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 23:47.43 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 23:47.47 | sjansen | Theres only one thing that I like |
| 23:47.49 | sjansen | And that is whistling in the dark |
| 23:48.22 | sjansen | O_o |
| 23:48.49 | sjansen | ... Oh, it's after 5pm in Utah. Jayce^ isn't asleep at the keyboard, he's away. |
| 23:49.34 | sjansen | herlo: Sorry. Tried to help by getting kicked. Guess you'll just have to wait. |
