IRC log for #utah on 20070604

00:16.39nick125_lappyThere used to be a script that would convert tabs to spaces, anyone know where I could find it?
00:21.10Tene'sed'
00:21.29nick125_lappyHow would I use sed for that then?
00:21.46Tenes/\t/spaces/
00:22.12nick125_lappyso, for one space, it'd be..
00:22.15nick125_lappys/\t\/ /
00:22.18nick125_lappyright?
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00:23.16Tenecat file|sed 's/\t/ /g'
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01:49.54tensainick125_lappy: you might be thinking of indent
01:55.44Sargunindent is for C
01:56.45herloSargun: isn't I for indent?
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01:57.11bracstuff did
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05:05.00Sargunnick125_lappy, wanna rescue me?
05:10.46nick125_lappySargun: from?
05:11.58Sargundjango
05:12.05SargunI need to configure django behind lighty
05:13.15Sargunhow do I do this?
05:24.03nick125_lappyfastcgi
05:25.03nick125_lappyhttp://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=356 < that still makes me laugh
05:25.11brac[Hackles Cartoon Archive]
05:30.27Sargun<PROTECTED>
05:30.27SargunIndexError: string index out of range
05:30.38Sargunwtf?
05:31.36nick125_lappyuh oh
05:31.48nick125_lappypastebin your urls.py and the URL you tried to access
05:33.17nick125_lappywee
05:36.39Sargunhttp://pastebin.ca/535800
05:36.43SargunI HATE THIS THING SO MUCH!
05:39.31nick125_lappyTrust me, it could be wore
05:39.33nick125_lappy*worse
05:39.43nick125_lappyIt could be trying to deal with this POS made by "Sungard"
05:40.04Sarguno.O
05:40.16nick125_lappyOh wtf
05:40.32nick125_lappyYou can't access your email without going through this sungard piece of junk
05:41.16nick125_lappyAnd their SSH server drops my connection
05:41.25Sargunwell
05:41.29Sargunwanna fix my urls.py?
05:41.32Sargunfirst?
05:41.32nick125_lappyThis is stupid
05:41.50nick125_lappyI guess i'll send an angry note to the helpdesk tomorrow
05:42.19nick125_lappywhat version of django?
05:42.26Sargun.96
05:42.36nick125_lappyWhat's the URL you are trying to access?
05:42.43nick125_lappy(PM it to me if you would like)
05:42.47Sargunno idea
05:42.50Sargun/
05:42.51Sargunindex?
05:42.59SargunI don't know django terminology
05:43.00Sargunhome?
05:43.11nick125_lappy/, okay
05:43.14Sargunok
05:43.16Sargun/
05:43.39nick125_lappytry setting settings.APPEND_SLASH to 0
05:43.43nick125_lappyand see if that helps
05:44.38SargunImproperlyConfigured: Error importing template source loader django.core.template.loaders.filesystem: "No module named template.loaders.filesystem"
05:44.39Sargun:-/
05:44.41Sargunnow that
05:44.42Sargunthing
05:44.43Sargun:-/
05:45.04nick125_lappyUhh
05:45.19nick125_lappyI don't think such thing exists
05:45.28Sargun./django/template/loaders/filesystem.py
05:45.30nick125_lappygrab a vanilla 0.96 config and look at it's template loaders
05:45.32Sargunin my django source
05:45.38nick125_lappyhmm..
05:45.48nick125_lappywell, it's looking for django.core.template.loaders.filesystem
05:46.09nick125_lappySargun: Have you ever worked with this crappy web portal made by Sungard?
05:46.34Sargunfi/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/django/template/loaders/filesystem.py
05:46.35Sargun/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/django/template/loaders/filesystem.py
05:46.35Sargunno
05:46.58nick125_lappyLucky..
05:46.59nick125_lappySeriously, it's junk
05:47.55SargunWhat is it?
05:47.59Sargunfor?
05:48.36nick125_lappysome kind of school management portal thingy
05:49.04nick125_lappyssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
05:49.16nick125_lappyplease shoot me.
05:49.32Sargunhaha
05:50.22nick125_lappyI'm emailing the CNM helpdesk tomorrow and telling them this thing sucks.
05:51.33SargunWhat is it fo?
05:51.45nick125_lappyWhat's what for?
05:51.53Sargunsungard?
05:52.12nick125_lappyIt's some management portal
05:52.21nick125_lappyhttp://sungardhe.com
05:52.25Sargunwhy are you doing it?
05:52.26Sarguner
05:52.27Sargunusing
05:52.45nick125_lappyBecause that's what CNM uses, so, I'm kind of forced to use it.
05:52.51SargunCNM?
05:53.18nick125_lappycentral new mexico community college
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05:53.28SargunWhy are you going to CNM?
05:53.44nick125_lappyBecause I get HS credit and I don't have to pay tuition
05:53.58SargunTemplateSyntaxError: Template '2col' cannot be extended, because it doesn't exist
05:54.19SargunTEMPLATE_DIRS = (
05:54.19Sargun<PROTECTED>
05:54.19Sargun)
05:54.29Sargun(none):~/Django-0.96# ls /home/maneater/django_projects/maneater/templates/2col.html
05:54.29Sargun/home/maneater/django_projects/maneater/templates/2col.html
05:54.30Sargun:-/
05:54.40nick125_lappySargun: Let me guess, you are trying to port something from 0.9[0,1,2,5] to 0.96?
05:55.16Sargunhaha
05:55.16Sargunyeah
05:55.20nick125_lappySungard Banner sucks even worse
05:55.36nick125_lappyDjango 0.96 doesn't append .html anymore
05:55.55nick125_lappySo, you have to change the {% extend "2col" %} to {% exten "2col.html" %}
05:56.29findlayno more django magic
05:56.36nick125_lappyexactly
05:56.41findlay:)
05:56.58findlayas cool as django is I don't want to end up hating it
05:57.18nick125_lappyI just got really sick
05:57.24findlayI hack with (on occasionally) django most every day at work
05:57.29nick125_lappy"Banner runs on the Oracle RDBMS."
05:57.40SargunTemplateSyntaxError: 'ad_extras' is not a valid tag library: Could not load template library from django.templatetags.ad_extras, cannot import name template
05:57.40SargunTraceback (most recent call last):
05:57.41findlayso it has some negative connotations it doesn't deserve
05:58.03Sargunjdoiwadwa
05:58.10Sargungoing to explode.
05:58.24findlaySargun: is nick125_lappy forcing you to use django?
05:58.53nick125_lappySargun: pastebin all of the import lines of django.templatetags.ad_extras
05:58.54Sargunno
05:59.06findlayno, dpaste it :)
05:59.27findlayad as in advertisement?
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05:59.37Sargun(none):/home/maneater/django_projects/maneater# grep -ri  django.templatetags .
05:59.37Sargun(none):/home/maneater/django_projects/maneater#
05:59.53nick125_lappyIs there a directory called django somewhere
05:59.55nick125_lappyor templatetags?
06:00.02Sargunno.
06:00.19Sargun./ads/templatetags?
06:00.20nick125_lappyIs there a directory named templatetags anywhere?
06:00.24nick125_lappyyeah
06:00.36Sargunwhat do I do to it?
06:00.39nick125_lappythere might be something named ad_extras.py or something
06:00.46Sargunfound it
06:00.46nick125_lappypastebin the import lines of it
06:00.51Sargunfrom random import randint
06:00.51Sargunfrom django.core import template
06:00.52Sargunfrom django.models.ads import ads
06:00.52Sargunfrom maneater.settings import SIDEBAR_ADS
06:01.44nick125_lappytry replacing the from django.core import template line with from django import template
06:02.31Sargunfixed on
06:02.31Sargunone
06:02.33Sargunnew error!
06:02.41SargunTemplateSyntaxError: 'ad_extras' is not a valid tag library: Could not load template library from django.templatetags.ad_extras, No module named models.ads
06:03.24findlaysure you got your paths right?
06:03.56nick125_lappySargun: try this: from models.ads import ads
06:04.35Supaplexaweeee :`(
06:05.03SargunTemplateSyntaxError: 'ad_extras' is not a valid tag library: Could not load template library from django.templatetags.ad_extras, No module named models.ads
06:05.28findlayyou pasted that one already
06:05.33Sargunyeah
06:05.37Sargunstill error with hack
06:05.54nick125_lappyer
06:05.55findlaysounds like you don't have your paths right
06:05.58nick125_lappyfrom ads.models import ads
06:06.19Sargunfixed it!
06:06.24Sarguner
06:06.26Sargunnevermind
06:06.27Sargunbroke!
06:06.37nick125_lappywhat broke this time?
06:06.51Sargunsame thing
06:06.56Supaplexmy budget!
06:07.03nick125_lappySargun: Maybe we could go into #sargunssuckydjangofu
06:07.10Sargunhaha
06:08.00Sargunhow do you comments in django templaes?
06:08.01Supaplexouu it's even an offical channel.
06:08.04Sarguntemplates
06:08.07nick125_lappy00:07 -!- nick125_lappy changed the topic of #sargunssuckydjangofu to: Sargun sucks at django. We will  try to fix that.
06:08.14Supaplexlol
06:08.34nick125_lappy{# comment here #}
06:09.27SargunTemplateSyntaxError: 'article_extras' is not a valid tag library: Could not load template library from django.templatetags.article_extras, cannot import name template
06:09.27SargunTraceback (most recent call last):
06:09.38nick125_lappysame as above
06:09.49nick125_lappychange it from django.core import template to from django import template
06:11.10SargunTemplateSyntaxError: 'article_extras' is not a valid tag library: Could not load template library from django.templatetags.article_extras, No module named models.articles
06:11.29nick125_lappyfrom articles.models import <blah>
06:11.30Supaplexgah
06:13.10Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:13.10Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:13.10SargunImportError: No module named articles
06:13.11Sargunbork
06:13.41Sargunnevermind, just comment it out
06:13.42Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:13.42SargunNameError: global name 'frontpages' is not defined
06:13.44Sargunnew error.
06:13.52nick125_lappySargun: try this
06:14.03nick125_lappyfrom articles.models import articles, frontpage
06:14.09nick125_lappyer
06:14.11nick125_lappyfrom articles.models import articles, frontpages
06:16.48Sargunnick125_lappy, nice job.
06:19.37Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:19.37Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:19.37SargunNameError: global name 'frontpages' is not defined
06:19.49Sargunerr
06:19.50Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:19.50SargunNameError: global name 'frontpages' is not defined
06:20.38Sargunnick125_lappy, I don't think django has frontpages anymore.
06:21.24nick125_lappyI don't it ever has
06:22.20nick125_lappyShow me the import line for that
06:23.07Sargunfrom django.articles import articles, frontpages
06:23.18nick125_lappychange it to....
06:23.21Sargunfrom django.models.articles import issues, staffs, articles, photos, frontpages, breakingnewss
06:23.28nick125_lappyfrom articles.models import articles, frontpages
06:23.50Sargungrep -ri frontpages /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/django/
06:24.01nick125_lappyfrom articles.models import issues, staffs, articles, photos, frontpages, breaknewss
06:24.02Sargunmaneater@(none):~/django_projects/maneater$ grep -ri frontpages /usr/lib/python2.4/                    
06:24.02Sargunmaneater@(none):~/django_projects/maneater$
06:26.49Sargunit doesn't exist.
06:27.48SargunI think it might be a database model?
06:28.11Sargunyeah!
06:28.12Sargunit is
06:31.22Sargunnow how do I make it work
06:32.05nick125_lappyI think it might be
06:32.09nick125_lappylookk at my code I posted
06:34.34Sargun<PROTECTED>
06:35.14nick125_lappyCan you show me the file structure? (pastebin)
06:35.24Sargunyou want the freaking source?
06:35.28findlayI think if you upgrade to perl-5.9 it will work better
06:35.43nick125_lappySargun: sure...
06:35.46Sargunfindlay, I wish.
06:35.49Sargunnick125_lappy, PM me
06:40.05Sargunnick
06:40.07Sargunany luck
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06:49.31nick125_lappyHold on
06:49.37nick125_lappyI'm trying to troubleshoot a DSL circuit
06:50.42Sargunheh
06:51.02nick125_lappyWhy oh why does this stupid thing not accept pings from ping, but, it will work with mtr
06:51.43Sargunlol
06:52.03Sargunfirwale?
06:52.05Sargunfirewall?
06:52.09nick125_lappyI really hate being smart
06:52.14nick125_lappySargun: Why would mtr work then?
06:52.26Sargunno idea
06:52.49nick125_lappy30 RSFEC errors in 20 minutes, is that bad?
06:52.53nick125_lappyon an interleaved circuit
06:54.54Sargun:-/
06:57.11nick125_lappymake that 36 in 25 minutes
06:57.27Sargunok
06:57.29Sargunthat's bad
06:57.32Sargunwell
06:57.34Sargunnot bad
06:57.49nick125_lappybut not good either
06:58.56nick125_lappyhe's saying he's getting 8kbit download
07:00.57nick125_lappy30kbit...eek
07:01.14nick125_lappyhis upload is 700kbit
07:01.17nick125_lappywith 30kbit down
07:02.00findlayyou need to change the sign on some of the upload bits so they turn into download bits
07:02.32findlaylike this
07:02.40findlay~convert upload to download
07:03.11nick125_lappySargun: I bet his RT is screwed, don't you?
07:06.48nick125_lappySargun: Don't you agree?
07:10.16Sargunheh
07:10.20Sargunblow up the rt
07:10.24nick125_lappyI think his RT is overloaded
07:10.29nick125_lappySince his upload speeds are great
07:10.59nick125_lappywtf
07:11.05Sargun?
07:11.26nick125_lappy"IS the number you calling about 425-972-[something here]?"
07:11.32nick125_lappywhere did they get that from?
07:13.53nick125_lappy"okay, the name is S a r s g  S t a r g"
07:13.54nick125_lappyWTF
07:13.55nick125_lappy?!
07:36.55nick125_lappyhere's how they spelt it:
07:37.06nick125_lappy"Okay, that will be um SARNVSCA for the first name on the account?"
07:37.18nick125_lappyMy friend said the name is franchesca
07:38.27nick125_lappyI bet that's why they couldn't find the account
07:38.50nick125_lappySeriously, can anyone speculate on how they got that spelling?
08:12.38nick125_lappyqwest is telling my friend that his computer is "blocking the DSL signal"
08:12.43nick125_lappyand that he should reboot
08:21.00nick125_lappyDid I ever say qwest is dumber than dirt?
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13:09.03^Migs^I hate when people use a ton of PHP echos instead of Smarty templates
13:09.21^Migs^completely breaks PHP's potential for the MVC architecture
13:09.44QBFreakI played with smarty templates once, they made me want to write something real in PHP, awesome thing
13:09.47QBFreaks
13:10.34^Migs^PHP can be quite amazing when you actually follow proper coding principles
13:10.47^Migs^it has some really neat stuff
13:11.16tensailike addslashes. that's my favorite.
13:11.19QBFreakI've been hanging around Tene too long and will likely write my next web app in Perl
13:11.40graphyxtensai: Are you playing the role of a troll?
13:11.40^Migs^lol
13:11.56^Migs^don't forget stripslashes
13:13.27graphyxin this part of the day the role of the troll (normally played by ^Migs^) will be filled by tensai.
13:13.47^Migs^it's like the PHP developers scour the web and bundle every new third party PHP library they can find into each subsequent release
13:14.05graphyxHowever, for the rest of the day, ^Migs^ will resume his duties as the #utah troll.
13:14.38^Migs^it's like graphyx thinks he's not stating the obvious or something
13:15.17graphyxI was just stating the meta conversations
13:15.30graphyxlike the story teller from the show into the woods.
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13:45.06graphyxjsmith: whats the work?
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13:46.39jsmithgraphyx: Huh?
13:47.38graphyxGood morning, how are you?
13:48.20jsmithOh, you know... busy and tired, but good
13:50.56graphyxwell good.
13:51.07graphyxYou read that article about the asterisk book?
13:51.45graphyxabout how publishing it for free might not have had a large impact of the sales of it?
13:52.03graphyxToo bad that they didn't keep good records on it to get a better analysis.
13:56.01jsmithgraphyx: Oh?  I haven't read that one... where is it?
13:56.21jsmithgraphyx: To be honest, I believe that publishing it as a free PDF download *helped* sales of it.
13:56.52graphyxI can't remember where it was and my history was cleared a couple days ago.
13:57.53graphyxit may have been on slashdot.
13:58.09graphyxhttp://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/06/free_downloads.html
13:58.11brac[O'Reilly Radar > Free Downloads vs. Sales: A Publishing Case Study]
13:58.12graphyxthere you go.
13:59.46jsmithThank you!
13:59.51graphyxnp
14:05.18graphyxhttp://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/ref=pd_sbs_gf_2/103-9934747-8556602?ie=UTF8&qid=1178207885&sr=1-10
14:05.36graphyxeven funnier than the product are the reviews at the end.
14:05.41graphyxmaquis: is this thing real?
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14:15.30^Migs^I'll admit it. Shopping for a personal tank can be a bit daunting. Many times in the past I've purchased overpriced, so-called "battle tanks", then driven them into battle only to be wrecked in ten minutes by the first blow off of some insurgents home-made morter.
14:15.31^Migs^hahaha
14:19.14^Migs^wtf? http://www.amazon.com/Cloverdale-Fresh-Whole-Rabbit/dp/B00012182G/ref=pd_sbs_misc_4/102-1233767-3467325?ie=UTF8&qid=1178207885&sr=1-10
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14:27.33^Migs^lol: What an incredible deal! How many people can say they own a tank that looks just like Jabba the Hut's palace? You'll have a return customer; the next tank I buy is going to be genuine NAO design.
14:31.40maquisgraphyx: sure
14:37.49graphyx"I have ordered fresh whole rabbits from other companies and let me tell you, they can't compare to the quality of this product--it was like I went out and shot it myself!
14:37.49graphyxPS.  I recommend buying "used" when the option is available."  
14:37.49graphyxlol
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14:38.10graphyxUsed fresh whole rabbit!
14:38.12graphyxnice.
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15:26.47leviSweet, you can buy a package of 9000 ladybugs on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Ladybugs-9000-Count/dp/B0001KWFGG/ref=tag_tdp_dp/105-6099351-2243612
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15:30.05leviHere's one to help mheath get over his depression: http://www.amazon.com/How-Good-Bye-Depression-Constrict-Everyday/dp/0595094724/ref=tag_tdp_dp/105-6099351-2243612
15:31.58graphyxI think we are seriously messing up the common items viewed groupings
15:32.20redbeard2graphyx: agreed. you looking at the whole milk and the land cruiser too?
15:32.27graphyxcause for each item we have listed here the ones above have been on the list.
15:33.39levihttp://www.amazon.com/Knitting-Dog-Hair-Better-Sweater/dp/0312152906/ref=tag_tdp_dp/105-6099351-2243612
15:34.56levigraphyx: There's an 'Amazon Oddities' group of items that they're all listed on, so all sorts of people have looked at them together.
15:35.34leviMmmm, chocolate-covered pork rinds.
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15:37.37goozbach8
15:37.50goozbachthat's right! EIGHT!
15:38.22leviI was just thinking of getting into electric kettles... http://www.amazon.com/2007-2012-Outlook-Household-Electric-Kettles/dp/0497532034/ref=tag_tdp_dp/105-6099351-2243612
15:40.59rsimpkinsThose who use irssi, do you use autoaway.pl at all?
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15:45.27elgi do
15:45.31elgwhen I use irssi
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15:58.08levihttp://www.amazon.com/Avenging-Unicorn-Figure-Play-Set/dp/B000C9XB96/ref=tag_tdp_pl_dp/105-6099351-2243612
16:02.58beandoglmao
16:03.05beandoghe stabs a mime
16:03.41beandogDoesn't everyone want an imaginary unicorn friend that can be called upon to smite one's enemies? Well, now you have the chance to get a plastic equivalent of such a fantastical beast with the Avenging Unicorn Play Set. Each boxed set includes four figures and four interchangeable horns for the white unicorn figure, which stands 3.75-inches tall.
16:04.04beandogClose your eyes, take a deep breath and summon a unicorn. If you believe in the magic of unicorns with all your heart and soul they will answer your call.
16:15.53QBFreakbeandog: I must not believe :(
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16:49.59rsimpkins<rant> I am so sick and tired of sub-standard Linux admins messing things up, and then Linux getting the blame when the system crashes in to a heaping ball of molten CPU.</rant>
16:50.38rsimpkins"What!?! What you say? RAID 1 isn't the same as backups? Must be something wrong with Linux then!"
16:51.10beandogheh
16:51.13beandognow that's classic.
16:51.58rsimpkinsYeah, the problem is these people are paying a high school kid to run their critical Linux business servers. HELLO!?!? Earth to CEO? What in your head suggested that was a good idea??!?!?
16:52.40rsimpkinsNot that there aren't bright high-school kids, but generally you want someone with some experience putting together your critical business infrustructure.
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16:54.43findlaypmcnabb: are you at TCMB?
16:55.32findlayTMCB?
16:57.00QBFreakTMBG?
16:57.21findlay~rot1234567890 TMCB
16:57.21ibotDWML
16:58.12findlayScytheBlade1: molten any CPU's lately? :)
16:58.32ScytheBlade1lately? no, I've only ever done that once, years ago :)
17:01.32findlaydoes anybody know where TMCB is?
17:01.37findlaylevi?
17:02.16rsimpkinsfindlay: Isn't that a frozen yogert place or something?
17:02.22pmcnabbfindlay: yes, TMCB 1140
17:02.23levifindlay: Um... it's close to the business building.
17:02.39rsimpkinsOh wait, that's TCBY I think.
17:03.03levifindlay: Which is the tall one on the west edge of campus.
17:03.28pmcnabbfindlay: map.byu.edu, building #80
17:04.49leviI haven't been to campus since the JFSB was built.
17:08.40lukfuglfindlay: TMCB = just north of JFSB, just SW of JKHB
17:08.55lukfugljust NW of library
17:09.34lukfugl1140 is in the west wing of the building, first floor
17:09.42lukfuglcan't remember which of the halls, though :)
17:11.04elg1140 is the auditorium
17:11.59lukfuglno, that's 1170
17:12.02lukfugl1140 is one of the labs
17:12.09elgoh
17:12.18lukfuglor one of the TA offices?
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17:29.15goozbachsoo... anyone want to move to florida and take up a contract gig?
17:31.17graphyxtcmb is directly west of the librarys north exit.
17:39.40elgmove for a contract?
17:42.01graphyxgoozbach: You took that job with that company then did you?
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17:53.03QBFreakibot: introduce yourself
17:53.19graphyx~speak
17:53.21ibotARFFFFFFFFFFFF
17:53.39graphyxQBFreak: understand that?
17:54.34goozbachyes it's a contract gig
17:54.38goozbachgraphyx: not quite yet
17:54.50graphyxYou have to fill your spot?
17:55.04goozbachI'd like to fill my spot
17:55.26goozbachto be nice
17:55.30goozbachbut I don't HAVE to
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18:00.17^Migs^http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/uncool_zookeeper_wont_let
18:00.33graphyxok
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18:07.29rsimpkinsIsn't Florida kind of a 'fringe' state?
18:07.47rsimpkinsI always think of FL as sort of a strage step-child.
18:08.19rsimpkinsIt even looks like it's trying to get away from the US, but is being held back. :)
18:11.56findlayis anyone here familliar with squid?
18:13.05goozbachfried tempura style it's passable
18:13.24graphyxI like calamari.
18:13.33graphyxwith a red sauce for dipping.
18:13.46graphyxredbeard2: You scheduled to go out of town for gurus any time soon?
18:15.40findlaygoozbach: do you know how I would turn off caching for a certain host?
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18:22.46redbeard2graphyx: i will be in austin next week
18:23.24graphyxalready?
18:23.32graphyxteaching or just helping?
18:24.27goozbachfindlay: just fiddle with your ACL
18:24.40goozbachhost ACL if I remember correctly
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18:29.13Lone_WandererYum, sand flavor!
18:30.10nick125_lappyIs "intrue" even a word?
18:32.55Lone_WandererI can see how something could be "in true", if true is a location or state of being, but I've never seen it used as one word.
18:33.57nick125_lappyI'm listening to this call to qwest
18:34.26jsmithuntrue!
18:34.40nick125_lappyThe person at qwest used "intrue".
18:34.46Lone_WandererContext?
18:35.08nick125_lappy"Either that, or that speedtest is intrue"
18:35.33Lone_WandererMaybe he just has a weird accent and he really said untrue?
18:35.55nick125_lappythis person also told my friend that his computer "must be blocking the DSL signal"
18:36.29Lone_WandererSame tech?
18:37.27nick125_lappyyes
18:37.37Lone_WandererI once had an ISP tech tell me that their DHCP didn't have its own, static IP, because "The D in DHCP *means* dynamic - it changes!"
18:38.31graphyxLone_Wanderer: would it matter if it was static?
18:38.41graphyxhow does the computer know what system to send it to?
18:39.04Lone_WandererI asked for a supervisor, who told me the same thing.  He did solve the problem though.
18:39.07^Migs^((
18:39.07^Migs^\\``.
18:39.07^Migs^\_`.``-.
18:39.07^Migs^( `.`.` `._  
18:39.08^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.10^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.12^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.14^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.16^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.18^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.20^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.22^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.24^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.26^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.27Lone_WandererI was kind of annoyed that he wouldn't just give me the IP of their DHCP server, but...
18:39.28^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.30^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.32^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.34^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.35nick125_lappyhatul30: haha
18:39.36^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.38nick125_lappyer
18:39.39nick125_lappyLone_Wanderer: haha
18:39.40^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.42^Migs^<PROTECTED>
18:39.44^Migs^oops
18:39.46^Migs^sorry
18:39.52Lone_WandererSomeone tell me when he stops that crap so I can unignore him.
18:40.00nick125_lappyLone_Wanderer: He stopped
18:40.10Lone_WandererBut his call control was excellent, and he did solve the problem.  So I wasn't too upset.
18:40.11graphyxit's ^Migs^, does he ever stop?
18:40.34Lone_Wanderer^Migs^: say something so I can see if I'm unignoring you? :p
18:40.46^Migs^I said I was sorry.  I meant to post that in an IM, not here.
18:41.01nick125_lappyThe supervisor we esclated to, while still vague on the actual issue, he actually figured out that the problem wasn't the flow between the modem and the computer
18:41.18Lone_WandererBah.  I hate getting a new IRC client.  Especially ones that don't tell me explicitly when my commands worked or failed.
18:43.22nick125_lappy"At qwest, we make it easy to talk to us!" < Yeah, right. Hire people in the US and it would be much easier to talk to you.
18:43.48^Migs^not sure what the point is of saying thiis, don't you think that if I'm NOT saying anything you're ignoring me?
18:44.04^Migs^s/that if I'm/that if you see me/
18:44.24Lone_WandererDag nab.
18:44.54goozbachhow did that ascii-art get around flood protection
18:45.00goozbach?
18:45.12goozbachdoesn't this channel have that?
18:45.15Lone_WandererThe problem, ^Migs^, is that I don't know when you're saying something or not, so I don't know when to expect something.
18:45.15graphyxit was time controlled.
18:45.21goozbachahh
18:45.22graphyxnot instant.
18:45.26goozbachok
18:45.34Lone_WandererHmm.  It doesn't seem to be my client that's doing it.
18:45.59goozbachwhatch where you paste please
18:46.15^Migs^XChat time controlled it?
18:46.17^Migs^wow, cool
18:46.46Teneibot: ibot
18:46.55iboti heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported.
18:55.50findlayyeah
18:55.54findlaywatch it or else
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18:56.08findlaybecause we'll come after you ^Migs^
18:56.22^Migs^wow
18:56.26findlayheh
18:56.27^Migs^that wasn't even really a "flood"
18:56.56findlayI'm just pretending anyway :)
18:58.57graphyxlol
19:01.02graphyx~Tomcats $who is <action> radios in a pack of ^Tomcats^ that send strafe $who's house.
19:01.11ibotgraphyx: okay
19:01.14graphyx~Tomcats ^Migs^
19:01.15ibotACTION radios in a pack of ^Tomcats^ that send strafe graphyx's house.
19:01.49graphyx~Tomcats who is <action> radios in a pack of ^Tomcats^ that send strafe $who's house.
19:01.51ibotACTION radios in a pack of ^Tomcats^ that send strafe graphyx's house.
19:01.51findlay$who is a special var I think
19:02.11graphyxibot, no Tomcats who is <action> radios in a pack of ^Tomcats^ that send strafe $who's house.
19:02.13ibotokay, graphyx
19:02.44graphyx<PROTECTED>
19:02.45ibotokay, graphyx
19:02.51graphyx~Tomcats ^Migs^
19:02.52ibotACTION radios in a pack of ^Tomcats^ that send strafe ^Migs^'s house.
19:03.03graphyxthanks findlay
19:09.42goozbachyeah, use migs as a varible
19:16.32dagmcnabbI thought $sjansen was out standard ibot action variable?
19:16.38dagmcnabbs/out/our/
19:17.27goozbachlukfugl: only for me
19:17.41goozbachhe (sjansen) uses $goozbach
19:18.13goozbachbut that hasn't been totally cleared with the goozbach naming orginzation
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19:38.27Jayce^oooh  http://www.tk560.com/m41a.html
19:38.30brac[www.TK560.com]
19:42.00nick125_lappyHrm. this is fun
19:42.09elgno it's not
19:42.18nick125_lappyI just got a call back from T-Mobile executive customer relations, they say that t-mobile can't do anything
19:44.27jsmithnick125_lappy: What's the problem?
19:45.05nick125_lappyjsmith: I dropped my treo a month or so ago, and, I thought it was fine, but, it started crashing a lot after that
19:45.24jsmith:-(
19:45.24nick125_lappyand random call issues (dropped calls, etc)
19:45.45nick125_lappySo, I thought, "hey, since I have this insurance they've been sucking frmo me for 2 years, maybe they could get me a new one!"
19:46.02nick125_lappyI called asurion, and, after talking to over 20 supervisors, they only want to give me a HTC Herald (t-mobile wing)
19:46.19findlayugh
19:46.43jsmithInsurance and cell phone companies -- now there's a scary combo
19:50.06^Migs^http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6718249.stm
19:50.07brac[BBC NEWS | Africa | Moroccan family barred from toilet]
19:50.57graphyxnick125_lappy: you still have the insurance on it?
19:51.11graphyxif it didn't boot at all they would have to replace it, no?
19:51.19graphyxjust give it to one of your kids to play with.
19:51.29graphyxor put it through the wash.
19:52.00graphyxLike I managed to do with my phone on saturday.
19:52.09graphyxnot that it is under warentee.
19:52.13graphyxor insurance.
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19:55.38leviHeh, Linus Torvalds is not funny.
19:56.12levi(I'm listening to his Google Tech Talk on git)
19:56.15findlayhe wasn't designed to be funny
19:56.36leviUn-funny people shouldn't attempt jokes.
19:58.41^Migs^http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
20:19.10^Migs^http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/OMGWTF-Finalist-02-The-FileSystemHashMapNotepadCalculator.aspx
20:23.35dna3e8any tips on gettign cups to work in F7
20:24.08elgstrangle someone
20:24.24elgyou'll feel like it after fighting a braindead cups installation, so might as well get it out of the way now
20:24.51elgincidentally, if the distros would keep their grubby paws off the cups defaults, it would work a lot better
20:27.21^Migs^http://www.amazon.com/Masterpiece-Jewels-FABERGE-EGG/dp/B0009EI7Y8?ie=UTF8&s=jewelry&qid=1175793222&sr=8-20
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20:40.35^Migs^does anyone understand that Traffic thing on Google Maps?
21:04.51^Migs^http://www.justinreeve.com/webcam
21:05.14^Migs^free AR webcam from newegg :)
21:05.45^Migs^I need to get another one so my kids can watch me
21:05.56^Migs^and so I can watch my kids
21:06.28^Migs^the deals still on, if anyone's interested: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826158039&ATT=26158039&CMP=AFC-SlickDeals
21:07.29^Migs^wow I'm going bald
21:11.38^Migs^actually, I'm going to use it for work
21:11.49^Migs^developing training materials + testing live video feeds
21:12.31^Migs^it's starting to bother me less and less, since it's clear not even the boss really cares
21:12.38^Migs^so maybe I'm becoming lazy, too
21:14.49^Migs^I think it's also good to constantly remind oneself of how freakin good-looking they are
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21:32.10^Migs^one of my eyes is bigger than the other.
21:46.40Tene^Migs^: but does it work with linux?
21:47.02findlaylinux has eyes?
21:47.28^Migs^presumably
21:47.48^Migs^it better
21:48.24dna3e8is there anyway to share a printer in fedora 7
21:49.06sontekdna3e8: to a windows box or linux?
21:49.13sontekdna3e8: to share it to windows just setup samba
21:50.43dna3e8the printer is on linux, I want to print from my Mac (if a cups server is set up right my mac sees it w/o configuration...)
21:55.03Tenedna3e8: just run the printer setup config tool
21:55.18dna3e8in lunix...
21:55.23Teneyes
21:55.25Tenefedora's
21:55.43dna3e8i did i can print form the linux machine
21:57.19dna3e8how can i get info on the cups server that is 'running'
21:59.37Tenedna3e8: system-config-printer
22:02.15dna3e8according the the setting i should be able to print to it
22:03.13elgdna3e8: can you access the cups config tool at port 631?
22:03.18elgi.e. http://localhost:631
22:03.24elgif localhost is your FC7 box
22:04.07elgfindlay is dead
22:04.12Teneelg: I guess the acronym is now "F7".  I still get that confused with the "F7" key on a standard keyboard, though.
22:04.28elgwhat, they dumped the core?
22:04.36findlay~F7 Tene
22:05.14ibotACTION remaps Tene's <F7> and <F7>s all of Tene's open windows
22:05.16Teneyeah, no core/extras division anymore
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22:05.16elg-chat sco is
22:05.16bracsco is now getting punished for it...
22:05.16Tene~quote SCOX
22:05.27Tene~scox findlay
22:05.37elgwell I can't abide F7. I guess I'll use Fed7
22:07.47findlayf-7.0.0
22:10.37dna3e8elg: ican get to localhost:631
22:11.14elgyou want to go to the admin tab
22:11.26elgand check the appropriate boxes to get it to share printers
22:11.33elgand enable browsing
22:12.57dna3e8in the cofig file this may be the issiue# Allow shared printing...
22:14.07elgthat's a comment - waht is the next line?
22:15.07dna3e8it is# Allow shared printing...
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22:15.17dna3e8next line  Order allow,deny
22:15.27dna3e8then Allow @LOCAL
22:16.34dna3e8Fromt eh config file every thing is    Alloy @ LOCAL
22:16.41dna3e8*allow
22:19.19herlodna3e8: that's a default deny stance
22:19.25herloif you change it to
22:19.30herloOrder deny,allow
22:19.35herloand comment out the
22:19.41herloAllow @LOCAL
22:19.55herloyou can get to the server from anywhere that can see your box...
22:20.02dna3e8it seems the issue is that my computers are not 'local' to each other
22:20.05herlowhich may or may not be what you want
22:20.17herlolocal implies the 127.0.0.0/8 netmaks IIRC
22:20.24herlos/ks/sk/g
22:21.58dna3e8the computers share XX.X  in ther ips...
22:22.12findlay~steal herlo's dinner
22:22.25ibotACTION grabs herlo's dinner and gives it to findlay
22:22.32findlayyay, food!
22:23.09dna3e8how would i allow one or 2 comps ( allow @'computer host name'\
22:24.53findlayis '- $ 10,000.00' the right way or '$ - 10,000.00'?
22:25.08dna3e8-$10,000
22:25.22^Migs^http://tinyurl.com/2m9sne
22:25.37findlaysure?
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22:28.41elgno @LOCAL means all the local interfaces
22:29.03elgif you have one interface (eth0) with 192.168.0.12/24, it will allow 192.168.0.0/24
22:29.08elgand localhost of course
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22:29.26elgand if you had eth1 as 172.17.0.22/24 it would allow 172.17.0.0/24 with @LOCAL too
22:29.45elgwhat is BrowseAddress set to?
22:30.14elgdna3e8: to allow just some IPs, do Allow 192.168.0.3
22:30.20elgif that's the ip of waht you want to allow
22:30.26elgbut remember that allow just controls who can connect
22:30.43elgnot who receives browsing broadcast packets. that's browseaddress
22:32.18dna3e8BrowseAddress @dna3e8.com
22:32.56^Migs^lol, there's a 1GB JPEG here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001764_1880
22:33.30findlayheh
22:33.31elghmm, I don't know how that would work
22:33.42elgbrowseaddress needs to be a broadcast address
22:33.49elgwhat's your subnet for dna3e8.com?
22:34.11elg(you might try browseaddress @LOCAL)
22:34.12dna3e8what is a broadcast address?
22:34.20elgtry @LOCAL
22:34.26redbeard2http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKL3051670020070601?rpc=92
22:34.33elghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address
22:34.34dna3e8the two computer is 72.8.XX.XXX
22:35.12findlayyou can find out what your bcast is by doing `route`
22:36.19dna3e8rout on the print server (fed 7) or client (Mac)
22:36.32findlayeither
22:36.59findlayif they're on the same subnet the bcast should be thesame
22:37.49elgnot either
22:37.55elgthe route command on os x is stupid
22:37.56elguse netstat -rn
22:38.11findlaythat works too
22:41.26dna3e8they don't look even close tot he same
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22:50.17dna3e8_thanks for the help i am giving up on printing now...
22:50.29dna3e8_(till i get some desire)
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