| 00:00.12 | mheath | Hmm, can somebody give me the IP address of an open DNS server? |
| 00:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | open? |
| 00:01.21 | Lone_Wanderer | just dig a domain name and it should tell you the IP of the DNS server it used |
| 00:01.34 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: I can't do any of that |
| 00:01.36 | chris_ | tryopenDNS |
| 00:01.39 | mheath | I'm on windows for one |
| 00:01.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
| 00:01.43 | chris_ | try OpenDNS |
| 00:01.46 | Lone_Wanderer | well there's your problem ;) |
| 00:01.51 | mheath | And this connection is troublesome |
| 00:01.56 | mheath | in that the DNS resolution is cutting in and out |
| 00:02.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ouch, that sucks |
| 00:02.12 | Lone_Wanderer | so you just need a DNS server that'll work consistently? |
| 00:02.18 | mheath | Yeah |
| 00:02.23 | chris_ | http://www.opendns.com/ |
| 00:02.45 | mheath | chris_: You are not helpful. |
| 00:02.50 | mheath | NO |
| 00:02.54 | mheath | I NEED A FREAKIN IP ADDRESS |
| 00:03.09 | mheath | I don't want open source DNS server softwarew |
| 00:03.16 | chris_ | not software |
| 00:03.19 | chris_ | read it |
| 00:03.45 | chris_ | what version of windows? |
| 00:03.50 | mheath | chris_: It's be nice |
| 00:04.04 | mheath | if I could resolve www.opendns.com to view that page |
| 00:04.31 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: * 208.67.222.222 * 208.67.220.220 |
| 00:04.35 | chris_ | what version of windows? |
| 00:04.35 | Lone_Wanderer | From their FAQ. |
| 00:05.02 | chris_ | it's also listed by OS |
| 00:05.05 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: thanks |
| 00:05.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently they futz with your requests though, i.e. by redirecting requests for craigslist.og to craigslist.org (and other similar things) |
| 00:05.08 | chris_ | if he would answer me |
| 00:05.23 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: It doesn't matter what OS you're on, the DNS server's IP address is going to be the same. |
| 00:05.29 | chris_ | i know |
| 00:05.38 | chris_ | but it tells you all you need to know for that OS |
| 00:05.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Once I called my ISP and asked for the IP address of their DHCP server. They said "It doesn't have one, it's assigned dynamically. That's what DHCP means!" |
| 00:06.47 | chris_ | i know that |
| 00:07.24 | chris_ | what exactly is DNS and can i get in trubal from comcast by usen one? |
| 00:09.32 | chris_ | ? |
| 00:11.36 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: thanks, that works nicesly |
| 00:12.03 | chris_ | no one answered me |
| 00:12.09 | mheath | I'm not sure its really the DNS sever, just some moron here slowing down the connection so much that that local DNS requests are timing out...think they have it set to a really quick timeout |
| 00:12.25 | mheath | Downloading maassive things via bittorrent |
| 00:12.47 | mheath | Try to ask him to limit the bandwidth, tells me basically that No, his download is FAR more important than me using the internet a bit |
| 00:12.55 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 00:13.04 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: We can all see that no-one answered you. You don't need to point it out. |
| 00:13.12 | chris_ | fine |
| 00:13.34 | Lone_Wanderer | We are not here to answer your questions, though some of us may occasionally be inclined to do so. |
| 00:13.43 | chris_ | difrance between a proxy and a DNS? |
| 00:13.47 | calvarez | chris_, Comcast will send the drones to get you and take you to Gitmo |
| 00:13.56 | calvarez | if you use openDNS |
| 00:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Er. |
| 00:14.07 | Lone_Wanderer | But, to answer your question (I had to go afk) |
| 00:14.34 | Lone_Wanderer | No, you won't get in trouble. And to get a definition of it, use Google. |
| 00:17.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro may be of some interest. |
| 00:18.06 | chris_ | bye |
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| 02:03.39 | graphyx | blue moon tonight |
| 02:03.42 | graphyx | don't forget. |
| 02:26.00 | vontrapp | what's the easiest way to forward ports on a linux box? |
| 02:26.08 | vontrapp | temporarily, even |
| 02:26.27 | mrpull- | vontrapp: forward from what to what? |
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| 02:26.37 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 02:27.00 | vontrapp | forward from a server to a vpn connected client |
| 02:27.29 | vontrapp | and a range of ports |
| 02:27.39 | vontrapp | so that makes ssh cumbersome |
| 02:27.50 | mrpull- | ok. that was the route I was going down. |
| 02:30.15 | mrpull- | does this [ http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/449 ] offer a solution? |
| 02:30.19 | brac | [Debian Administration :: SSH dynamic port forwarding with SOCKS] |
| 02:31.46 | graphyx | vontrapp ssh port forwarding has worked well with me |
| 02:31.58 | graphyx | if you are trying to get past firewalls |
| 02:32.02 | vontrapp | for a range of 100 ports? |
| 02:32.08 | graphyx | You could install hamachi on both machines |
| 02:32.19 | graphyx | and just connect over the virtual ip. |
| 02:32.35 | graphyx | hamachi is like a virtual lan for the connected systems |
| 02:32.42 | graphyx | Works across double nat as well. |
| 02:32.45 | graphyx | rather useful. |
| 02:34.44 | graphyx | vontrapp a socks proxy will accept any port |
| 02:34.53 | graphyx | and tunnel it over ssh. |
| 02:35.08 | vontrapp | how deas it know which connections to forward? |
| 02:35.23 | graphyx | You configure the applications to use the proxy |
| 02:35.41 | graphyx | or you could use hamachi and just point to the virtual ip of the system. |
| 02:36.03 | graphyx | but that only works for the system upon which hamachi is installed. |
| 02:36.59 | vontrapp | well there's not much chance of making a multiplayer windows game use socks |
| 02:37.10 | graphyx | that is true |
| 02:37.14 | graphyx | try hamachi |
| 02:37.15 | elg | what in the world is hamachi? |
| 02:37.24 | elg | aka how does it differ from a vpn? |
| 02:38.07 | graphyx | well vpns are usually 2 lan/systems connected together |
| 02:38.15 | graphyx | hamachi is X systems connected together |
| 02:38.18 | graphyx | hamachi.cc |
| 02:40.28 | vontrapp | if i could just figure out why vpn packets are dropping out on this one subnet... |
| 02:40.30 | elg | i'm not sold |
| 02:40.41 | vontrapp | then i wouldn't need port forwarding |
| 02:40.53 | elg | what do you mean dropping out? |
| 02:41.09 | vontrapp | does ssh forward udp ports? |
| 02:41.32 | vontrapp | elg: i mean not getting where they're supposed to get to |
| 02:42.08 | vontrapp | .64.0/24 |
| 02:42.14 | vontrapp | we've been looking at it |
| 02:42.23 | vontrapp | you know what i'm talking about |
| 02:43.55 | graphyx | elg: I like it. and my friends play rts lan games with each other over it. |
| 02:44.33 | elg | that's a routing problem |
| 02:45.40 | jsmith | vontrapp: ssh does not forward udp ports |
| 02:45.47 | jsmith | vontrapp: At least, as far as I know it doesn't |
| 02:46.44 | vontrapp | can i get tcpdump to show only ping stuff? |
| 02:46.55 | graphyx | yes |
| 02:47.05 | vontrapp | what are the magic words? |
| 02:47.09 | graphyx | I don't know how |
| 02:47.16 | graphyx | try man tcpdump |
| 02:47.37 | graphyx | tcpdump icmp? |
| 02:47.43 | graphyx | -i eth0 |
| 02:48.17 | jsmith | tcpdump -vv icmp |
| 02:48.31 | vontrapp | hmmm, i was trying to do proto icmp |
| 02:48.50 | graphyx | I think proto is for layer 2 |
| 02:48.54 | graphyx | not layer 3 |
| 02:49.09 | vontrapp | i see |
| 02:49.21 | elg | tcpdump -i eth0 icmp |
| 02:49.46 | elg | hmm, let's see - hamachi vs. openvpn |
| 02:50.20 | graphyx | you going to blog it? |
| 02:50.25 | graphyx | I think that I should start a personal blog again. |
| 02:50.27 | vontrapp | si si |
| 02:50.40 | graphyx | we will see once I get settled at my new job/house. |
| 02:50.44 | elg | hamachi is closed source and not as flexible as openvpn. otoh hamachi apparently has some nice config gu |
| 02:50.52 | elg | i |
| 02:51.00 | graphyx | -chat about i |
| 02:51.01 | brac | i did that on my netorwork is so giddy over this part of an F16 |
| 02:51.14 | elg | no, not going to blog it because I'm not convinced I would ever care to use it |
| 02:51.25 | elg | and wouldn't want to give it an unfair review |
| 02:51.35 | graphyx | elg: thanks for adding the chat thing to brac, it is fun at times. |
| 02:51.37 | graphyx | ok |
| 02:51.39 | graphyx | thats cool. |
| 02:52.01 | elg | hamachi also lies on the front page, which doesn't bode well |
| 02:52.12 | graphyx | what do you mean? |
| 02:52.48 | elg | a quick search for hamachi makes it obvious that it doesn't "Works without having to adjust a firewall or router." |
| 02:52.52 | elg | in many cases |
| 02:53.10 | graphyx | I didn't have any issues |
| 02:53.21 | graphyx | It may be that a lot of people have other problems that the blame on the firewall |
| 02:53.28 | elg | sure |
| 02:53.34 | elg | the firewall and/or the nat is always to blame |
| 02:53.37 | graphyx | though to be honest it works if the firewalls allow external connections |
| 02:53.46 | elg | and how many firewalls do? |
| 02:53.59 | graphyx | if the firewall has draconian outgoing firewall rules, then there is an issue. |
| 02:54.01 | elg | i mean, firewalls that are worth calling firewalls |
| 02:54.28 | elg | nobody who has a lenient firewall even realizes they have a firewall problem (unless they've been trying to do p2p stuff) |
| 02:54.37 | graphyx | I would say that the problem is found when people try to use this is a company network that uses VPN style firewall rules. |
| 02:54.45 | elg | it's only the people with draconian firewalls that will notice that and say oooh, goodie! and then utterly fail |
| 02:54.53 | graphyx | otherwise all home firewalls shouldn't have any issue. |
| 02:55.05 | elg | most people either don't have home firewalls or don't realize they do |
| 02:55.10 | graphyx | right |
| 02:55.18 | graphyx | this works for me at work and at home. |
| 02:55.26 | graphyx | both have liberal outbound policies. |
| 02:55.28 | elg | openvpn takes no adjustment in those cases either, though the stun server is a nice touch |
| 02:55.32 | graphyx | one not under my controll. |
| 02:55.36 | graphyx | stun? |
| 02:56.34 | elg | hakamachi or whatever it's called has an stun client built in for nat discovery. _that_ is what they're bragging about when they say you don't have to adjust your router |
| 02:56.47 | elg | it's able to punch through common nat situations, like a sip client |
| 02:56.59 | elg | not foolproof by any means, but works in many common situations. 80% solution |
| 02:58.44 | graphyx | yes, I like that myseld. |
| 02:59.57 | elg | it's nice. hamgatchi looks nice for the easy to setup angle. someone should do that for openvpn. openvpn could drive the backend just as easily. wouldn't take much, more effort in marketing and business really |
| 03:00.46 | graphyx | sure. |
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| 03:07.54 | graphyx | elg: does openvpn allow X systems to connect like hamachi? |
| 03:08.36 | vontrapp | i can't find where to set my dhcp addresses on my openwrt |
| 03:08.55 | vontrapp | does the web ui just completely lack that one feature? |
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| 03:15.45 | elg | graphyx: can you give more details about that? I don't understand what you mean |
| 03:16.02 | elg | you can make any sort of connection you like with openvpn. it's a true vpn |
| 03:16.36 | graphyx | I mean would it be easy to connect 10 different machines to the same vpn? |
| 03:16.43 | graphyx | at different locations |
| 03:21.35 | vontrapp | if each of the 10 locations is on the vpn |
| 03:21.46 | vontrapp | we have three entire subnets on our vpn |
| 03:21.57 | vontrapp | new mexico, provo, and vernal |
| 03:21.58 | elg | we have 3 different locations with 3-4 hosts on each |
| 03:22.24 | graphyx | sure, but was it easy? |
| 03:22.47 | elg | not as easy as it could be |
| 03:23.02 | graphyx | ok |
| 03:23.07 | elg | but pretty easy |
| 03:23.16 | graphyx | that is where hamachi excells then |
| 03:23.42 | elg | sure, like the rest of the windows world. good at being easy, bad at being free and flexible |
| 03:23.57 | elg | tradeoff, for sure |
| 03:24.21 | graphyx | yep |
| 03:24.24 | graphyx | ok cool. |
| 03:24.28 | graphyx | ttyl hitting the sack |
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| 03:49.11 | dna3e8 | hay |
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| 04:02.51 | elg | hooo yeah! Another point against Villified by Visa |
| 04:03.47 | nick125_lappy | i've never understood the point of it. |
| 04:57.16 | nick125_lappy | I'm debating on if I should try to get asurion to get me a treo 750, a treo 680, or just settle with a wing |
| 04:57.43 | nick125_lappy | The 680 is $250 less than my 650 |
| 04:58.15 | nick125_lappy | the 750 is about $60 less than my 650 |
| 04:58.28 | nick125_lappy | ($570 from treo central) |
| 04:58.44 | nick125_lappy | and the wing, without contract is the same price as the 680 |
| 04:59.38 | nick125_lappy | I really love the form factor of the treo |
| 05:00.10 | nick125_lappy | and the 750 looks really nice |
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| 06:24.25 | vontrapp | ~wb |
| 06:24.30 | ibot | thx |
| 06:28.09 | levi_home | Gah. My toilet water feed is too short now, and the shower arm still leaks at the elbow joint in the wall. |
| 06:36.00 | vontrapp | you have a toilet water feed to your shower head? are your showers too hot or are you trying to make use of all that water that just sits there in the tank, wasting away? |
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| 07:03.57 | Tene | http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/trombone-usa/video/99323 |
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| 13:17.01 | goozbach | ibot! |
| 13:17.06 | goozbach | what was that for? |
| 13:17.27 | harleypig | The *moan* was for my coming into channel. :> |
| 13:17.32 | harleypig | ~onjoin harleypig |
| 13:17.33 | ibot | onjoin for harleypig set by harleypig on Mon May 21 21:38:43 2007: *moan* |
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| 13:32.29 | ^Migs^ | "Amazing deal! Regardless of the antivirus software, it is a 2gb flash drive that is very small and convenient. I use this for my laptop running Windows Vista where it can serve as extra RAM. Very impressed." |
| 13:32.34 | ^Migs^ | flash drives can be used as RAM? |
| 13:33.06 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Some of the new ultra-fast ones can, with Vista |
| 13:33.06 | goozbach | harleypig: I figured. |
| 13:33.07 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 13:33.13 | goozbach | I wanted ibot to explain itself |
| 13:33.17 | ^Migs^ | I didn't realize Vista could do that |
| 13:34.57 | elg | are flash drives, even ultrafast ones, really that fast? |
| 13:35.07 | elg | all the flash drives I've had have been several orders of magnitude slower than a hard disk |
| 13:35.39 | ^Migs^ | yeah, wouldn't they be limited by the USB 2.0 speed? |
| 13:35.48 | elg | and writing to them often shortens their life span. acting as ram would be a lot of writing |
| 13:36.19 | ^Migs^ | well, technically using anything in a PC shortens its' lifespan |
| 13:36.35 | elg | you know what I mean |
| 13:37.14 | harleypig | goozbach: Ah. I don't think ibot has reached that point yet. |
| 13:38.39 | goozbach | harleypig: I just wanted to check |
| 13:38.53 | goozbach | cause I want to be far away when the singlularity occurs |
| 13:39.02 | goozbach | so I've been keeping my finger on the pulse |
| 13:39.14 | goozbach | and ibot is about the smartest bot I know. |
| 13:39.45 | byronc | I think ^Migs^ was talking about this feature: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/readyboost.mspx |
| 13:40.00 | byronc | Looks like swap on a usb flash drive |
| 13:40.01 | harleypig | Why would you want to be far away when the singularity occurs? Didn't you know that the singularity is the second coming? |
| 13:40.34 | harleypig | Or maybe it's the end of the thousand years. |
| 13:40.40 | harleypig | I forget which. |
| 13:40.59 | goozbach | harleypig: a small self-suficcent farm, well away from popluation centers, my family all together. |
| 13:41.34 | goozbach | why die in a big flash, I'd prefer to wait it out a couple months until the search and destroy units come a calling |
| 13:41.38 | harleypig | I didn't think subsistence farming was sufficient. |
| 13:41.44 | harleypig | :D |
| 13:41.55 | harleypig | Lay mines in the fields ... |
| 13:42.05 | goozbach | oh, there'll be mines |
| 13:42.14 | goozbach | and walls, and a good deal of guns, |
| 13:42.25 | goozbach | but I'm only delaying the inevetible |
| 13:42.37 | harleypig | But don't activate them until the house is surrounded. |
| 13:43.00 | goozbach | maybe a couple of EMPs |
| 13:43.14 | harleypig | Activate them with a deadman switch ... maybe attached to people's heartrates ... |
| 13:43.38 | harleypig | As soon as the last persons heart stops all mines activate. |
| 13:43.49 | harleypig | All automatic gun emplacements become active. |
| 13:44.05 | goozbach | harleypig: that'd defeat the purpose |
| 13:44.17 | goozbach | I want to keep me and mine alive for as long as possible |
| 13:44.34 | harleypig | No, I wasn't clear. Make that a failsafe. |
| 13:44.50 | goozbach | meh, at that point I don't care |
| 13:45.09 | harleypig | *I* would ... I'd point at them and laugh when they crossed over. |
| 13:45.18 | goozbach | maybe I'll have a medium-yeild nuke in the top of the water tower |
| 13:45.26 | harleypig | : |
| 13:45.28 | harleypig | :D |
| 13:46.27 | goozbach | cbrown must be an agent for the machine resistance |
| 13:46.34 | goozbach | operation timed out my ear.... |
| 13:47.00 | graphyx | your ear timed out? |
| 13:47.08 | graphyx | does it do the ringing thing? |
| 13:47.12 | graphyx | when time runs out? |
| 13:47.26 | goozbach | ~onjoin cbrown cbrown goozbach is on to you... you're not fooling anyone! |
| 13:47.27 | ibot | ok, goozbach |
| 13:47.35 | goozbach | :) |
| 13:47.54 | goozbach | I have got to stop eating paranoia flakes for breakfast |
| 13:48.16 | graphyx | what are they made of? |
| 13:48.27 | graphyx | "windows Super Fetch"!!! |
| 13:48.44 | graphyx | gotta love it when the marketing team names the OS features. |
| 13:49.08 | goozbach | graphyx: solent green |
| 13:49.14 | goozbach | at least I think so |
| 13:49.42 | goozbach | see I heard from a guy who heard from a guy that read it on a secret government website |
| 13:49.52 | goozbach | so it has to be true |
| 13:50.28 | harleypig | So, what's soylent blue? |
| 13:51.01 | goozbach | you don't want to know |
| 13:51.26 | harleypig | I have a good idea what soylent brown and soylent yellow are |
| 13:51.46 | herlo | :C - the topic here scares me |
| 13:52.14 | harleypig | OT discussion is scary? |
| 13:56.18 | graphyx | lol |
| 13:56.31 | graphyx | that would be a funny cyborg |
| 13:56.48 | graphyx | one that responds like that anytime you are addressed afk |
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| 14:05.27 | goozbach | ~rip taylor graphyx |
| 14:05.30 | ibot | ACTION takes taylor graphyx and acts as Jack The Ripper |
| 14:05.54 | goozbach | not exactly what I was looking for... |
| 14:09.48 | graphyx | Well I just handed in my 2 weeks notice here. |
| 14:10.06 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.14 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.16 | graphyx | doing what? |
| 14:10.16 | elg | I just bought a camcorder |
| 14:10.28 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.33 | graphyx | now I'm going to dizkneeland! |
| 14:10.47 | graphyx | goozbach: did they give you an offer? |
| 14:10.49 | herlo | graphyx: you got the job? |
| 14:10.50 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.57 | graphyx | herlo: yep |
| 14:11.03 | graphyx | cool |
| 14:11.19 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.21 | graphyx | We will be flying out in 2 weeks from today. |
| 14:11.24 | herlo | graphyx: great! when do you move back? |
| 14:11.26 | graphyx | goozbach: that in cool. |
| 14:11.33 | graphyx | herlo: ^^ |
| 14:11.41 | goozbach | graphyx: where? |
| 14:11.57 | graphyx | goozbach: L-3 communications in SLC |
| 14:12.00 | herlo | goozbach: say Hi to Chris Perry and his boss Jeff at Cox's media group |
| 14:12.13 | goozbach | graphyx: cool, doing what? |
| 14:12.31 | graphyx | network security architecture for aerospace communications equipment. |
| 14:12.47 | goozbach | herlo: I don't think we're directly involved with Cox Media |
| 14:12.55 | harleypig | herlo: Hi! |
| 14:13.01 | goozbach | CXRi is kinda a walled garden |
| 14:13.06 | graphyx | you were supposed to say boo! |
| 14:13.06 | harleypig | Surprised ya din't I! |
| 14:13.59 | goozbach | I doubt that herlo saw me lock the door behind him |
| 14:14.22 | harleypig | heh |
| 14:16.31 | herlo | ~axe goozbach |
| 14:16.54 | harleypig | You carry an axe with you? |
| 14:18.28 | goozbach | I did *NOT* see that comming |
| 14:18.38 | goozbach | could someone hand me my arm? |
| 14:18.50 | goozbach | and take herlo's axe away? |
| 14:18.58 | herlo | and leaves |
| 14:19.27 | goozbach | hp, we need to re-enforce that door. |
| 14:19.48 | goozbach | and check the people we're going to trap here for weapons/tools |
| 14:23.50 | graphyx | if the door is 3' wide what good will 6" do? |
| 14:26.34 | goozbach | it's harder to go through the wall |
| 14:28.30 | harleypig | They will ... they just won't be able to get out. |
| 14:28.41 | harleypig | At least, not without the 2048 bit encrypted key |
| 14:29.09 | harleypig | Oh heck ... let's just make it a 10240 bit encrypted key. |
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| 15:31.20 | spr | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 15:33.19 | ibot | jayce^ is currently on #utah, last said: 'yup'. |
| 15:33.45 | Jayce^ | ~poke spr |
| 15:33.54 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind spr, pokes spr repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 15:45.25 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:47.37 | harleypig | o/~ Good mornin' Good mornin' o/~ |
| 15:50.38 | ^Migs^ | what's a good way to easily set up a live video webcam feed? I was thinking of using Theora + Icecast but maybe there's something better? |
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| 15:59.23 | findlay | sontek: pong |
| 15:59.23 | sontek | findlay: hey =) |
| 15:59.24 | sontek | findlay: hows your day? |
| 15:59.35 | findlay | just got to wrok |
| 16:01.59 | findlay | s/work/ |
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| 16:01.59 | sontek | findlay: I was pinging ya yesterday to findout if you went to SCO yesterday |
| 16:02.00 | sontek | findlay: I forgot to ask you at the fedora thing lastnight :P |
| 16:02.42 | findlay | yeah |
| 16:05.00 | sontek | anything fun happen? I'm going Monday, didn't have time for yesterdays |
| 16:05.01 | sontek | I seen groklaw posted some info on it but haven't read it yet |
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| 16:11.23 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 16:11.33 | harleypig | ftw? |
| 16:14.58 | bonez39 | fut the wuck? |
| 16:15.16 | bonez39 | er...fhat the wuck.... |
| 16:15.19 | ^Migs^ | wtq |
| 16:15.22 | levi | fix the wookie |
| 16:15.32 | bonez39 | oh, chew bacca? |
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| 16:16.26 | sontek | fix the windows! |
| 16:19.55 | Jayce^ | ~onjoin harleypig in your yard I am the Ferengi man, very odd and chunky |
| 16:19.55 | ibot | ok, Jayce^ |
| 16:23.03 | harleypig | :P |
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| 16:28.32 | levi | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/02/healing_potion.html |
| 16:28.33 | brac | [BBspot - Long-Term Healing Potion Use May Cause Liver Damge for Adventurers] |
| 16:35.03 | bonez39 | I need some help with a marketing campaign...I have 11 medicare patients..to whom I recently sent a survey... I have their demographics, address and such in a database. for mailmerge.. would setting up a database in mysql, or postgresql be good to track this...as responses come in< or would a spreadsheet work better, easier? |
| 16:35.17 | bonez39 | any ideas on tracking and measuring response, etc? |
| 16:35.21 | ^Migs^ | I'd use a db, personally |
| 16:35.38 | ^Migs^ | maybe just because I'm more used to it, but also because you can do cooler things with generating reports |
| 16:36.14 | ^Migs^ | and you'll probably wish you had it all in a db at some point later, if you end up using a spreadsheet |
| 16:37.18 | bonez39 | well, I have a book on mysql...I guess I'll give it a try there...db handles text data better too, right? |
| 16:37.37 | bonez39 | I need to record comments...and include my own notations on various events as they happen... |
| 16:38.34 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 16:39.08 | ^Migs^ | do they use email or snail mail to send in the surveys? |
| 16:39.50 | ^Migs^ | if you need to manually enter this stuff. Easiest way is to either make a simple PHP or Ruby on Rails app |
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| 16:40.02 | bonez39 | well, I noted that they could 1) call me, voicemail, etc. or 2) write on back of mailed survey, or 3) email me or 4) fax back.. one has called so far, and another wrote back in , mailed...thought I encourage them all to email |
| 16:40.25 | ^Migs^ | it would've been cool if you could've just asked them to go to a web site and enter it in |
| 16:40.29 | bonez39 | these are the 65+ crowd..so some...may not be too keen on email... |
| 16:40.31 | ^Migs^ | then you wouldn't have had to do anything |
| 16:40.32 | ^Migs^ | ah okay |
| 16:40.36 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that wouldn't work |
| 16:41.00 | ^Migs^ | you could probably whip up an RoR app to do this in less than an hour |
| 16:42.23 | bonez39 | well, I have a web page...but as you say, they likely aren't going to be really excited about that way .. |
| 16:42.38 | bonez39 | but I have 300 emails for other patients..who might like that..and I want to have a survey on my web at some point.. |
| 16:43.06 | bonez39 | I have never written anything in PHP or Ruby... i am clearly a NOOOOB at all this.. |
| 16:43.30 | bonez39 | but I am willing to dive into the rdbms pool here with mysql.... |
| 16:44.37 | ^Migs^ | you could just set up a MySQL database and use PHPMyAdmin to enter it, actually |
| 16:44.46 | ^Migs^ | that would probably work fine for your purposes |
| 16:44.47 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 16:44.56 | ^Migs^ | do you have a server to host it on? |
| 16:45.23 | bonez39 | yeah...well, it's my box here....I am adding other machines here...to handle different stuff...have one box upon which I am setting up zimbra... |
| 16:45.42 | bonez39 | but yeah, my main linux box here..will serve up the mysql...db |
| 16:45.49 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 16:46.08 | ^Migs^ | just download this: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/index.php Takes only a minute to install and configure |
| 16:46.10 | brac | [phpMyAdmin | MySQL Database Administration Tool | www.phpmyadmin.net] |
| 16:46.43 | ^Migs^ | once you have your MySQL db up, of course |
| 16:47.09 | ^Migs^ | should be pretty straightforward after that. You can set up all your tables and fields and everything up in there |
| 16:47.54 | ^Migs^ | Not sure it's the best for data entry, but since you only have 11 surveys, not a big deal |
| 16:48.33 | ^Migs^ | what are you doing with this data? |
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| 17:15.27 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Are you following HIPPA regs? I hope so. :) |
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| 17:32.38 | graphyx | rsimpkins: bonez39 its HIPAA |
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| 17:48.52 | graphyx | red, what does work have you doing at this time? |
| 17:49.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it possible to modify the timestamp on a file to make it appear to have been modified earlier than it was? |
| 17:49.37 | elg | man touch |
| 17:49.57 | Lone_Wanderer | And you can set it to whatever you want it to be? |
| 17:50.01 | elg | yup |
| 17:50.07 | Lone_Wanderer | that must have been it then |
| 17:50.33 | elg | just yesterday I touched some files to have been created in february to test a cron job that deletes files older than a month |
| 17:50.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 17:50.52 | elg | but they weren't on your system |
| 17:51.02 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: yah, use touch |
| 17:51.04 | beandog | oh |
| 17:51.05 | beandog | elg++ |
| 17:51.13 | Lone_Wanderer | because I *know* that these files weren't there yesterday, but their timestamp says they were last modified yesterday at 1:47 pm |
| 17:51.28 | elg | where did they come from? |
| 17:51.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know. |
| 17:51.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I see the history for other users, or all users, or for a specific file? |
| 17:51.57 | elg | other ways you could have got files like that - extracting a tarball maybe keeps the creation times. I'm pretty sure installing stuff from packages does |
| 17:52.00 | elg | rsync -a |
| 17:52.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Yesterday I was told to do something with a couple of files. |
| 17:52.16 | elg | you can peek at people's ~/.bash_history |
| 17:52.26 | Lone_Wanderer | The person who told me to do it is notoriously bad at giving clear directions. |
| 17:52.33 | elg | there's no history of a file unless you have a really fancy schmancy filesystem |
| 17:53.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, the files weren't there. And I was frustrated by the files not being there because, how am I supposed to do my job if I'm not provided the stuff to work on, right? |
| 17:53.40 | Lone_Wanderer | So I wrote a frustrated email saying, in short, they're not there, how can I do this? And I got a response today saying "Ha ha, yes they are!" And, hey, they are. |
| 17:54.33 | elg | depending on how he did it, it might have different access and/or creation (dirent) times |
| 17:54.43 | elg | that would indicate elsewise |
| 17:55.01 | elg | but if you've done much with them you might have triggered those yerself |
| 17:55.06 | elg | esp. access |
| 17:55.15 | elg | i.e. if you cat'd them or renamed them |
| 17:55.29 | nick125_lappy | Should I get another Treo 650, a Treo 680, or a WM-powered Treo 750 |
| 17:55.40 | jsmith | Nokia E90 |
| 17:55.49 | elg | get a small country instead, for the sme money |
| 17:56.12 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: You are the second person that has suggested that. |
| 17:56.44 | elg | get a lifetime supply of moleskine |
| 17:57.09 | jsmith | elg: I probably could for what the E90 costs |
| 17:57.37 | nick125_lappy | I don't think asurion will give me a E90 though. |
| 17:57.56 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: some filesystems will have access time, though Im not sure if ours does that |
| 17:58.01 | beandog | er, not access time .. creation date. |
| 17:59.54 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't appear to. All I can see if the modification date. |
| 17:59.54 | dna3e8 | ~lart newegg |
| 17:59.54 | ibot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs newegg |
| 17:59.54 | beandog | well, poop. |
| 17:59.54 | Lone_Wanderer | is* |
| 17:59.54 | beandog | try stat. |
| 17:59.54 | nick125_lappy | I'm going ot have a hard time getting asurion to give me anything other than a crappy HTC Herald (t-mobile wing) |
| 18:00.15 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: stat -x foo |
| 18:00.19 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 18:00.26 | beandog | still doesnt have it, but might help. |
| 18:00.35 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: are you using stat? |
| 18:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that doesn't help either :( |
| 18:00.55 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: just did |
| 18:01.27 | elg | and it doesn't have access and creation time? or they're the same? |
| 18:01.34 | elg | does it get backed up nightly? |
| 18:01.40 | beandog | no creation time |
| 18:01.40 | Lone_Wanderer | They're the same. |
| 18:01.46 | Lone_Wanderer | No creation time though. |
| 18:01.47 | elg | er, change time |
| 18:01.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Just access, modify, change. |
| 18:01.57 | elg | that's the one that's the directory entry |
| 18:02.03 | elg | change is not file change, but directory entry change |
| 18:02.22 | elg | are they files that were to have been edited in place? changed over time? or just copied there? |
| 18:02.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, they all say yesterday afternoon sometime. |
| 18:02.47 | elg | they would be all the same if copied there, but change and modified would be different if edited in place (and saved more than once) |
| 18:02.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I know they weren't there yesterday, and now they are but the change time is yesterday, several hours before I looked at them. |
| 18:02.59 | Lone_Wanderer | They were just copied there, no edits. |
| 18:03.10 | Lone_Wanderer | looked for them* |
| 18:03.17 | Lone_Wanderer | (couldn't look at them because they weren't there :p) |
| 18:03.18 | elg | other than your word, I don't see a way to prove it then |
| 18:03.23 | elg | but certainly possible |
| 18:03.36 | elg | unless the filesystem was backed up last night |
| 18:03.40 | Lone_Wanderer | ! |
| 18:03.42 | Lone_Wanderer | It was! |
| 18:03.49 | Lone_Wanderer | It's backed up regularly. |
| 18:03.59 | nick125_lappy | I'm debating on if I should take a phone that is $250 less value than my 650 and get a 680 |
| 18:04.10 | beandog | eh |
| 18:04.14 | beandog | I kinda remember, hold on |
| 18:04.15 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 18:05.02 | elg | you could touch them so that the mod times are this morning and say "you copied them over this morning" |
| 18:05.08 | elg | put him in the same boat :) |
| 18:05.08 | nick125_lappy | Jayce^: you said you have the 680, how do you like it? battery life, and such? does it really compare to a 650? |
| 18:05.09 | beandog | lol |
| 18:05.19 | elg | he can't prove you did it unless he reveals that he knew how to do it |
| 18:05.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I could but then *they* could check *my* history. |
| 18:05.40 | elg | you could edit your history |
| 18:06.02 | Lone_Wanderer | How can you edit your history without the "edit history" command showing up? |
| 18:06.04 | levi | Maybe he's snooping your ttys right now!!1 |
| 18:06.29 | Lone_Wanderer | OMG THE PARANOIA! |
| 18:07.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Does .bash_history not get created until you log in and do something? |
| 18:08.14 | elg | mv ~/.bash_history ~/.bash_history-old |
| 18:08.20 | elg | ln -s /dev/null ~/.bash_history |
| 18:08.45 | elg | edit ~/.bash_history-old to remove the mv command |
| 18:08.51 | elg | do your dastardly deed |
| 18:08.53 | elg | log out |
| 18:09.02 | levi | I think .bash_history isn't written to until you log out. |
| 18:09.04 | elg | bash writes history on log out |
| 18:09.21 | elg | then you log in and mv it back... hmmm |
| 18:09.26 | elg | and stay logged in |
| 18:09.27 | elg | :) |
| 18:09.49 | levi | I think a kill -9 of your shell would cause it to not write it out. |
| 18:09.52 | elg | ah, you could do it in a different shell |
| 18:09.55 | elg | and edit the history command |
| 18:10.14 | elg | or export HISTSIZE=3 |
| 18:10.26 | elg | and do 3 boring commands after, then exit |
| 18:10.28 | levi | o/~ KILL DASH NINE! NO MORE CPU TIME! o/~ |
| 18:10.54 | jsmith | levi: Exactly :-) |
| 18:10.58 | elg | ah! HISTCONTROL |
| 18:11.03 | elg | export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth |
| 18:11.11 | elg | it will then ignore things that begin with a space |
| 18:11.14 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.23 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.46 | elg | kill -9 would be the best, if it works |
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| 18:40.46 | sjansen | ibot: Please do the needful. |
| 18:43.37 | Lone_Wanderer | omg apparently I am retarded |
| 18:43.40 | Lone_Wanderer | the backups do have the files |
| 18:45.47 | elg | doh |
| 18:47.49 | elg | haha, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Rice-Cooker-Bread |
| 18:49.11 | elg | i've thought of something similar, but use a toaster oven to make small bâtards |
| 18:58.47 | Lone_Wanderer | grrrrr |
| 18:58.55 | Lone_Wanderer | how do I create a zip file with only one file in it? |
| 18:59.21 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't seem like it should be this hard. |
| 18:59.51 | lukfugl | gzip filename ... |
| 19:00.16 | Lone_Wanderer | will gzip make a file that zip can unzip? |
| 19:00.26 | lukfugl | zip then instead of gzip |
| 19:01.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, I figured it out |
| 19:01.34 | Lone_Wanderer | apparently you have to give the name of the zip archive first and then the name of the file to be added |
| 19:01.36 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: programs like winzip often support gzip as well as other archives besides pkzip. |
| 19:02.47 | lukfugl | Lone_Wanderer: yeah, sorry. I'm used to gzip and/or tar |
| 19:03.09 | lukfugl | so when I use gzip it's usually in single file (default) mode |
| 19:03.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Same here. Whatever, it's fixed now. |
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| 19:47.35 | levi | elg: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/070601.html |
| 19:49.24 | elg | hmm, why do these two sentences together scare me? "An excellent example of brainfsck coding! ;-) This is an idiom that I'm sure I'll be using in many situations now that I've seen it." |
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| 19:55.03 | findlay | heh |
| 19:56.02 | findlay | don't use winzip. Use 7zip |
| 19:57.35 | findlay | winzip is a relic from the early days of the interweb: small animated gifs, windows 3.1.1.1.1.1111, and 30 Mib HDDs |
| 20:23.55 | graphyx | don't you mean pkzip? |
| 20:24.09 | graphyx | that is from dos days. |
| 20:26.34 | levi | http://craphound.com/images/schroeslol.jpg |
| 20:34.16 | aldaek | how do you guys feel over suse lately... would you recommend it? i really liked netware when they were good on their networking, but other than that. is there a reason to go to another linux/ |
| 20:34.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm familiar with tweaking hue and saturation in an image to change the colors in it, but I've got a situation here where that almost (but not quite) works. |
| 20:34.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got an image that's currently 8A9DCD (blue) and I need to make it FBBF57 (orange). I can get it *close*, but not exactly on. |
| 20:35.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I would just set the brush to that color and paint a new image but it's got shading and stuff, so that won't work really well. Does anyone know if there's a way to just do a direct translation? |
| 20:36.46 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: I bet the gimp can do it |
| 20:37.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. That almost (but not quite) worked, too. |
| 20:38.40 | Lone_Wanderer | (color exchange) |
| 20:39.07 | findlay | why didn't it work? |
| 20:40.08 | Lone_Wanderer | It changed the colors but it made them kind of pink instead of orange. |
| 20:40.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I just got a setting wrong. |
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| 20:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, oops. Bye router. |
| 20:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | echo Cleaning out old eth0 DHCP leases.. |
| 20:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | rm /config/apps/eth.dhclient * |
| 20:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid space. |
| 20:44.55 | graphyx | ouch.. |
| 20:45.12 | graphyx | that is why I typically go into directories that I want to clean out. |
| 20:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that actually only nuked /config/apps/* actually |
| 20:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | The rest of the media is both read only, and the filesystem itself doesn't have write support :) |
| 20:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | s/the/that/ |
| 20:48.21 | graphyx | well that is better than deleting * for sure. |
| 20:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. It's not possible to delete / in this case |
| 20:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But I did nuke all of my config files. *sigh* |
| 20:50.14 | nick125_lappy | What kind of router? |
| 20:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Home built |
| 20:50.36 | nick125_lappy | WRAP? |
| 20:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Soekris board with a 128MB CF card |
| 20:50.42 | nick125_lappy | Aah, soekris |
| 20:51.15 | nick125_lappy | How much did it cost you? (I'm thinking of getting rid of my pII 300mhz box) |
| 20:51.56 | levi | Huh, vimpulse.el is supposed to make viper-mode work more like vim. |
| 20:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I have the 4521, which has two cardbus and one mini-PCI slot |
| 20:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ~$200 or so, + wifi cards and CF card |
| 20:52.27 | nick125_lappy | nice |
| 20:52.29 | nick125_lappy | I'm thinking of doing that and getting rid of my AP |
| 20:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's nice to have. Complete linux 'distro' running on this |
| 20:53.24 | nick125_lappy | What distribution? |
| 20:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I hacked and hacked gentoo to compile for the arch in question |
| 20:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And then removed 2/3 of the system |
| 20:54.07 | nick125_lappy | How hard is it to update? |
| 20:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, very. As I said, read only / partition, in a compressed (read only) filesystem |
| 20:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, I've simplified it down to one script and a pass of `dd` |
| 20:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep all of my read/write data on a seperate partition, with the option of keeping it in RAM instead |
| 20:57.17 | lukfugl | CUIDADO! LLAMAS! |
| 20:58.53 | bonez39 | I want to scp a 200 mb file from my system...to another linux box on my LAN...I can ssh to the 'other linux box.. I tried scp filenameonlocal //192.168.15.xx/ but that doesn't work.... |
| 20:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I get to re-write my init system and config files... |
| 20:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bonez39, scp localfilename username@192.168.15.xx:/path/to/save |
| 21:00.40 | bonez39 | thanks |
| 21:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | sure |
| 21:01.30 | bonez39 | I added 'david' with appropriate ip addy to my /etc/hosts...that's easier than having to type the IP every time |
| 21:01.39 | bonez39 | 'davd' is name of other box |
| 21:01.44 | bonez39 | er....'david' |
| 21:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The only thing that sucks about writing the DHCP config file again, is acquisition of MAC addresses. |
| 21:04.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily, that's why nmap exists. |
| 21:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh awesome, I have a backup |
| 21:06.14 | lukfugl | looks like the llamas got TimRiker |
| 21:06.46 | goozbach | noo!!!! |
| 21:07.22 | goozbach | they were getting a little lax. |
| 21:07.33 | goozbach | they haven't had a mission since sjansen went missing |
| 21:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you redirect both STDOUT and STDERR to /dev/null again> |
| 21:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 21:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 2&>/dev/null ? |
| 21:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (And background the process, at that) |
| 21:08.59 | goozbach | ScytheBlade1: nope that doesn't background it |
| 21:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Any way to do both? |
| 21:09.14 | goozbach | you can do &> /dev/null |
| 21:09.33 | goozbach | cat foo &> /dev/null & |
| 21:09.41 | goozbach | that only works on BASH |
| 21:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Trailing &, I always put that at the start |
| 21:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 21:10.00 | goozbach | if you want something that is a bit more cross-shell, do this: |
| 21:10.27 | goozbach | cat foo 2&>1 > /dev/null & |
| 21:10.58 | nick125_lappy | Here starts the fun part |
| 21:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember that syntax actually |
| 21:11.01 | goozbach | that does: redirect stderr to stdout, stdout to dev null, and background |
| 21:11.02 | nick125_lappy | "We don't have the palmone treo 650 in stock, let me see what devices we do have that would be comparable" |
| 21:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 21:11.19 | goozbach | "thanks, well be in touch" |
| 21:11.29 | goozbach | nick125_lappy: ^^ that is the answer |
| 21:11.39 | nick125_lappy | goozbach: I'm going to try to get a treo 680 from them |
| 21:11.52 | goozbach | ahh |
| 21:11.57 | nick125_lappy | Since that is comparable to the 650, only a new shell, updated software, and more ram |
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| 21:14.52 | ScytheBlade1 | brb |
| 21:15.24 | nick125_lappy | now they are trying to shove a MDA at me |
| 21:15.58 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@216.49.181.128) |
| 21:15.58 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:16.03 | nick125_lappy | Thanks, but, no thanks, you can keep your 195mhz piece of junk |
| 21:16.34 | klys | TimRiker: last time I talked with you, you bought Corel Draw and were writing something in .cgi |
| 21:17.08 | TimRiker | Corel Draw? I don't remember buying that. |
| 21:17.14 | TimRiker | I just wrote a few more cgi scripts yesterday though. |
| 21:17.24 | klys | TimRiker: OK then it was Paint |
| 21:17.36 | klys | TimRiker: but you seemed to do pretty well at the .cgi |
| 21:17.41 | TimRiker | heh. also no likely. /me is a happy Gimp user. |
| 21:17.51 | klys | TimRiker: do you know of any free web hosting |
| 21:18.27 | TimRiker | depends on what your after. yahoo profile page is what some folks want. |
| 21:18.39 | klys | TimRiker: from '97 I think |
| 21:18.57 | TimRiker | personally I host my site at home. |
| 21:19.03 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here go to a treo 680 from a 650? |
| 21:19.14 | goozbach | the squirrels have done it! |
| 21:19.15 | Jayce^ | nick125, yeah |
| 21:19.19 | goozbach | good job team! |
| 21:19.20 | lukfugl | findlay: I would |
| 21:19.21 | nick125_lappy | Jayce^: How does it compare? |
| 21:19.29 | lukfugl | goozbach: yay! |
| 21:19.29 | Jayce^ | it si nicer, better feel |
| 21:19.30 | TimRiker | findlay: wd 250G were 49.99 shipped the other day. |
| 21:19.33 | nick125_lappy | (i.e, do you like it?) |
| 21:19.37 | findlay | lukfugl: ok, thanks for buying it for me |
| 21:19.46 | Jayce^ | I like it better than the 650, yes |
| 21:19.49 | lukfugl | TimRiker: what was it like, being a hostage of viscious llamas? |
| 21:19.58 | klys | TimRiker: aren't you the guy, worked with Rob and Cheri and Tom and Cathy |
| 21:19.59 | findlay | TimRiker: that would be better because then you could raid it |
| 21:20.06 | TimRiker | lukfugl: tough, let me tell you. |
| 21:20.14 | nick125_lappy | Jayce^: How are you liking the new dialer app? |
| 21:20.48 | TimRiker | klys: hmm. not sure I can put all those names at one place, but I've worked with folks named that. |
| 21:21.04 | klys | TimRiker: or Vadra and Les |
| 21:21.26 | TimRiker | klys: I don't remember a Vadra. |
| 21:21.58 | klys | TimRiker: ok, maybe youre not the original guy I saw at rikers.org, but it's funny that you're coding in .cgi |
| 21:21.59 | Jayce^ | nick125_lappy, after a day I liked it better |
| 21:24.31 | TimRiker | I've owned rikers.org forever, so it's likely me you remember. |
| 21:24.59 | nick125_lappy | now they tried to shove a dash and a pearl at me |
| 21:25.05 | findlay | since the beginning of time |
| 21:25.07 | nick125_lappy | I don't want to spent a billion dollars buying new apps |
| 21:25.23 | findlay | that reminds me, my DN has been expired for about 3 months |
| 21:25.23 | nick125_lappy | neither the dash or the pearl have a touch screen |
| 21:25.28 | ^Migs^ | Yeah, that's how much it's going to cost. A billion dollars. Right. |
| 21:25.43 | findlay | but it's still cached on all the servers I care about |
| 21:26.00 | findlay | I'm just too lazy to find a new registrar |
| 21:26.11 | findlay | one that doesn't spam me every two weeks ... |
| 21:26.14 | TimRiker | granitecanyon still around? |
| 21:26.51 | TimRiker | http://www.granitecanyon.com/ looks like it. |
| 21:26.53 | brac | [The Public DNS Service] |
| 21:29.23 | klys | TimRiker: if you're Tim, you served in NM and visited Germany |
| 21:30.15 | findlay | are they pretty reliable? |
| 21:30.29 | lukfugl | New Mexicans are never reliable |
| 21:30.34 | findlay | heh |
| 21:30.38 | lukfugl | and German's only slightly more so |
| 21:30.44 | nick125_lappy | hey :p |
| 21:30.46 | lukfugl | s/German's/Germans/ |
| 21:31.03 | lukfugl | nick125_lappy: I'm from NM as well, so I can poke fun :) |
| 21:31.42 | TimRiker | findlay: looks like the granite canyon won't let me edit data, so I presume they are down. Don't know for how long. have not used them in a _long_ time. |
| 21:32.04 | findlay | :( |
| 21:32.32 | TimRiker | klys: I served in mexico and have been to germany. (and france, uk, italy, greece, turkey, etc.) |
| 21:32.34 | bonez39 | how does one determine one's a record and mx record...and check for reverse dns? |
| 21:32.51 | TimRiker | bonez39: what name? |
| 21:32.55 | TimRiker | ~nslookup rikers.org |
| 21:33.13 | findlay | bonez39: dig host.com all |
| 21:33.20 | findlay | bonez39: dig <host.com> all |
| 21:33.46 | herlo | dig -x ip.ad.re.ss |
| 21:33.50 | bonez39 | fyrenice.com |
| 21:34.30 | TimRiker | ~rfc 2606 |
| 21:34.44 | TimRiker | ~rfc2606 |
| 21:34.51 | TimRiker | ah well. |
| 21:35.26 | TimRiker | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt |
| 21:35.35 | TimRiker | take that brac. |
| 21:36.23 | bonez39 | thanks..those helped... |
| 21:36.34 | findlay | it's just text. I think brac grabs the <title> |
| 21:38.59 | findlay | heh |
| 21:42.38 | lukfugl | -chat about brac can't |
| 21:42.38 | brac | brac can't get it to Q5 (Ogg/Vorbis supposely reaches transparency at Q5) |
| 21:43.16 | findlay | -chat about lukfugl is |
| 21:43.16 | brac | lukfugl is curious |
| 21:43.35 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat |
| 21:43.35 | brac | If you use del.icio.us? |
| 21:43.42 | lukfugl | of course I am |
| 21:43.57 | lukfugl | -chat about findlay can |
| 21:43.57 | brac | findlay can be quite busy with school this fall, i do have some issues with it =-) |
| 21:44.34 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about the issues |
| 21:44.34 | brac | the issues behind the processing, just what Asterisk says "You should just give up. |
| 21:44.39 | findlay | brac is a nonsense spewer |
| 21:44.56 | Lone_Wanderer | He's good at spewing nonsense. |
| 21:45.31 | lukfugl | -chat about nonsense |
| 21:45.31 | brac | nonsense went |
| 21:45.33 | lukfugl | bah |
| 21:45.49 | lukfugl | -chat about nonsense is |
| 21:45.49 | brac | nonsense is |
| 21:45.52 | lukfugl | hmm |
| 21:45.58 | lukfugl | -chat about -chat about |
| 21:45.58 | brac | -chat about ~onjoin harleypig -chat about I am not sure...how would I get rid of it? |
| 21:46.00 | findlay | nonsense spewer is a brac |
| 21:46.17 | findlay | -chat about nonsense spewer |
| 21:46.17 | brac | nonsense spewer is a pretty sane hierarchal system |
| 21:46.28 | lukfugl | self-defense, brac, nice |
| 21:46.38 | lukfugl | ~onjoin harleypig |
| 21:46.38 | ibot | onjoin for harleypig set by jayce^ on Fri Jun 1 10:19:55 2007: in your yard I am the Ferengi man, very odd and chunky |
| 21:46.52 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin |
| 21:46.52 | brac | ~onjoin went |
| 21:47.56 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 21:47.56 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl The irssi site is soooooo slow |
| 21:47.56 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 21:47.57 | findlay | heh |
| 21:47.57 | lukfugl | ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 21:47.58 | ibot | onjoin for lukfugl set by brac on Fri Jun 1 15:47:56 2007: The irssi site is soooooo slow |
| 21:47.58 | lukfugl | ibot, where are you? |
| 21:48.09 | ibot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 21:48.11 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 21:48.17 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin elg |
| 21:48.21 | findlay | way out there? |
| 21:48.44 | findlay | ~onjoin -findlay |
| 21:48.44 | ibot | ok, findlay |
| 21:48.55 | lukfugl | ? |
| 21:49.01 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay -chat about ~onjoin findlay |
| 21:49.02 | ibot | ok, findlay |
| 21:49.06 | findlay | hehe |
| 21:49.14 | lukfugl | nice |
| 21:50.00 | findlay | of course that will only work for one cycle |
| 21:50.04 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 21:50.29 | lukfugl | you know you have to trigger it now, of course |
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| 21:50.50 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.115) |
| 21:50.51 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about ~say -chat about bots should only protect people from coming to the cops, I spent half the people paying a monthly telephone rental fee (for a rotary phone!) than have some code was slightly less, and is causing them to admit it you think java guis are the |
| 21:50.51 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 21:50.57 | lukfugl | holy crap |
| 21:51.01 | findlay | heh |
| 21:51.13 | *** part/#utah findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.115) |
| 21:51.15 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.115) |
| 21:51.17 | brac | done |
| 21:51.17 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 21:51.51 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay -chat about stuff |
| 21:51.51 | ibot | ok, findlay |
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| 21:59.28 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go. Router functioning normally again. |
| 22:00.20 | findlay | -chat about functioning normally |
| 22:00.20 | brac | functioning normally again. |
| 22:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 22:11.14 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin sjansen |
| 22:11.14 | brac | ~onjoin sjansen tensai says "it was THEM, THEY came with mine. |
| 22:11.14 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 22:11.48 | tensai | ~onjoin -sjansen |
| 22:11.48 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 22:11.54 | lukfugl | bah |
| 22:12.02 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin brac |
| 22:12.03 | brac | ~onjoin brac |
| 22:12.12 | lukfugl | booorring |
| 22:12.15 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin brac |
| 22:12.15 | brac | ~onjoin brac |
| 22:12.26 | findlay | ~onjoin brac is boring |
| 22:12.27 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 22:12.39 | findlay | -chat about ~onjoin brac |
| 22:12.39 | brac | ~onjoin brac is smarter than that. Nobody _wants_ the c-shell. |
| 22:12.40 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 22:12.51 | lukfugl | good job |
| 22:12.54 | findlay | sure thing |
| 22:13.26 | lukfugl | hmm, it should be more like... |
| 22:13.33 | lukfugl | ~onjoin brac brac is boring |
| 22:13.33 | ibot | ok, lukfugl |
| 22:13.37 | lukfugl | -chat about ~onjoin brac |
| 22:13.37 | brac | ~onjoin brac brac is just an old turntable that still around? |
| 22:13.37 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 22:16.19 | findlay | don't wander too far |
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| 22:49.23 | elg | his latest reply (to my message with pseudocode): |
| 22:49.31 | elg | the code would be easy, but i wont write a whole new type of axis response just for a few computers that are not working right |
| 22:49.31 | elg | it is too much confusion for too little gain |
| 22:49.31 | elg | sorry! |
| 22:51.19 | elg | hopefully the psychological warfare works. I sent him back a reply to the effect, "do you have so few linux users that we are unimportant? I'm sorry to hear that. This affects every linux user with a joystick with a directional hat (which is just about anyone using linux that would bother to buy your program)" |
| 22:52.01 | elg | and i hit the forum topic about this issue (which has a semi-working kernel patch, and at least 5 people involved - so who knows how many that haven't commented on the forum) |
| 22:52.10 | elg | and campaigned people to let him know it's important to them |
| 22:52.36 | elg | hopefully the psychological warfare and campaigning work. I'd hate to take it to the blog battlefield |
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| 23:02.24 | dna3e8 | What is the intel equivalent of amd's sempron 3200? |
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| 23:04.08 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 23:05.10 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 23:07.23 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 23:29.37 | dna3e8_ | ~wher is herlo |
| 23:29.51 | ibot | ...but wher is already something else... |
| 23:30.00 | lukfugl | ~wher |
| 23:31.06 | ibot | [wher] J efined? |
| 23:31.08 | dna3e8_ | ~where is herlo |
| 23:31.22 | ibot | dna3e8_: what are you talking about? |
| 23:32.11 | dna3e8_ | ~locate herlo |
| 23:32.13 | ibot | ACTION whips the black sheet away from herlo showing the world herlo's evil plans |
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