| 00:05.02 | sontek | do any of you guys know what and where the setting is for telling gnome/metacity to allow/disallow setting windows always ontop? |
| 01:20.06 | mheath | Sigh. |
| 01:20.25 | mheath | What do you think the chances are that tomorrow will go any better than the last two days? |
| 01:26.28 | vontrapp_ | pretty darn good |
| 01:31.47 | dna3e8 | I am looking for a capture card to use with mythtv |
| 01:31.55 | dna3e8 | any suggestions |
| 01:32.24 | nick125_lappy | I used to have a leadtek card that worked pretty well, let me see if I can find it |
| 01:32.43 | nick125_lappy | (imho, it was easier to get working than my pvr-150) |
| 01:33.12 | nick125_lappy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122221 |
| 01:33.14 | dna3e8 | i have a usb pvr 250.... but cant gett it to play nice |
| 01:34.11 | nick125_lappy | ivtv is beyond a pain in the rear. |
| 01:46.26 | dna3e8 | nick125_lappy: does that card have hardware encoding? |
| 01:50.07 | nick125_lappy | dna3e8: I don't think it does |
| 01:53.56 | mheath | vontrapp_: Thank you for the optomism :) |
| 01:54.30 | nick125_lappy | dna3e8: It's half the price of the pvr-150 and you'll have a lot less hassle with the drivers |
| 01:54.59 | dna3e8 | what 'card type" is it |
| 01:55.13 | nick125_lappy | What do you mean? |
| 01:55.38 | nick125_lappy | What chipset/drivers it uses? |
| 01:55.54 | dna3e8 | i am using mythdora and there are option in the gui |
| 01:56.10 | nick125_lappy | What options are there? |
| 01:56.58 | dna3e8 | mpeg-2 encoder card(pvr-x50-pvr 500) |
| 01:57.07 | localstatic | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116606 |
| 01:57.29 | localstatic | I have that one - it's a BT878. Works great with no extra setup. |
| 01:58.01 | localstatic | The driver for it is GPL & in the main kernel |
| 01:58.04 | nick125_lappy | bt878 cards are usually pretty easy to setup (like the card I specified) |
| 01:58.17 | localstatic | It's software-based though (no hardware MPEG encoding) |
| 01:58.36 | dna3e8 | i have acinergy 850e pvr (usb) but the setup can't talk to it |
| 01:59.06 | dna3e8 | i need hardware encoding (weak host computer) |
| 01:59.26 | nick125_lappy | I don't know of the current state of bt878/ivtv as I don't use tv tuner cards any more, since I got digital cable with Digital Consumer Enablement |
| 01:59.50 | mheath | Hmm. You know, I just realized that all I've had to eat in the last 4 days is a pint of ice cream and a bit of ravioli. |
| 02:00.09 | nick125_lappy | and I'm too lazy to get IR working to change the channel on the cable box |
| 02:00.10 | localstatic | But it did make you happy, right? |
| 02:00.17 | mheath | Definately. |
| 02:02.00 | nick125_lappy | then, there's the fact there isn't anything good on TV anymore |
| 02:02.22 | localstatic | Especially when you take out the re-runs of the shows you do like |
| 02:02.30 | dna3e8 | .... anthintg on comcast cabel..? |
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| 02:03.01 | localstatic | Discovery is the only thing on cable that I ever watch/record from |
| 02:03.20 | nick125_lappy | dna3e8: It's spelt with two a's |
| 02:03.54 | mheath | nick125_lappy: but if you had my product..... ;-) |
| 02:04.07 | localstatic | No |
| 02:04.11 | nick125_lappy | nope |
| 02:04.29 | mheath | I really am excited about some of the ideas I'm working on. |
| 02:05.41 | dna3e8 | since 'there is nothing on tv anymore' is your card for sale? |
| 02:06.03 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 02:06.42 | mheath | You buy one computer system |
| 02:07.00 | mheath | Your in the den watching picture-in-picture TV |
| 02:07.10 | mheath | Your wife is in her bedroom, watching a DVD |
| 02:07.23 | mheath | Your son is playing a computer game in his room |
| 02:07.31 | mheath | And your daughter is working on homework |
| 02:07.44 | mheath | I love it :) |
| 02:07.54 | dna3e8 | ... any with HDTV support? |
| 02:07.59 | nick125_lappy | I would be so much more productive without the internet, just not productive at all without it.. |
| 02:08.17 | nick125_lappy | It's like a double-edged sword. |
| 02:08.39 | dna3e8 | or full duplex |
| 02:11.45 | mheath | dna3e8: www.pchdtv.com |
| 02:13.44 | dna3e8 | ... and my computer is half way too meeting the min sys requirements |
| 02:13.56 | mheath | heh. |
| 02:14.11 | dna3e8 | i will just have to buy a new computer... |
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| 02:17.00 | mheath | Buy one of mine ;-) |
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| 02:18.40 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 02:19.23 | dna3e8 | how much? |
| 02:20.01 | mheath | Heh. I was joking. |
| 02:20.17 | mheath | I'm working on developing a specialty computer appliance |
| 02:22.13 | mheath | Which will be quite cool, I'm hoping, when its done but ATM isn't something you can get yet :P |
| 02:22.15 | dna3e8 | just confriming: the Leadtek TV2000XP RM will play nice with myth tv |
| 02:23.37 | nick125_lappy | It should work just fine |
| 02:24.24 | dna3e8 | if it doesn't i will take it out on you... |
| 02:24.30 | orlo | mheath - another ipv6 toaster? |
| 02:35.24 | vontrapp_ | bah |
| 02:35.37 | vontrapp_ | all the features it lists are software features |
| 02:35.49 | vontrapp_ | what can the _hardware_ do? |
| 02:36.00 | mheath | orlo: eh? |
| 02:36.13 | mheath | Its a consolidated home computing appliance :) |
| 02:36.31 | mheath | 20:06 < mheath> You buy one computer system |
| 02:36.31 | mheath | 20:06 < mheath> Your in the den watching picture-in-picture TV |
| 02:36.31 | mheath | 20:06 < mheath> Your wife is in her bedroom, watching a DVD |
| 02:36.31 | mheath | 20:06 < mheath> Your son is playing a computer game in his room |
| 02:36.31 | mheath | 20:06 < mheath> And your daughter is working on homework |
| 02:36.34 | mheath | 20:07 < mheath> I love it :) |
| 02:37.05 | vontrapp | that's one powerful computer |
| 02:37.06 | orlo | <mheath> Its a 'networked ' consolidated home computing appliance :) |
| 02:37.21 | elg | it's a pipe dream |
| 02:38.08 | elg | my computer serves up the web, email, jabber, ldap, just about anything else I can think of and also serves as my entertainment center. it's able to do all that, but not without notice |
| 02:38.25 | elg | it takes about 30 seconds for a movie to start, while it swaps in and out and buffers and all that |
| 02:39.24 | vontrapp | elg: you don't have 4GG of mem |
| 02:39.35 | vontrapp | s/GG/G/ |
| 02:39.48 | vontrapp | s/mem/ram/ |
| 02:40.03 | vontrapp | stupid bot |
| 02:40.03 | elg | it'd be nice wouldn't it? but we didn't even talk about playing computer game |
| 02:40.14 | vontrapp | :) |
| 02:40.21 | elg | and running openoffice :) |
| 02:40.25 | elg | and firefox and... |
| 02:40.27 | vontrapp | hah |
| 02:40.41 | vontrapp | firefox with 20 tabs |
| 02:40.55 | sontek | firefox open for a couple hours ;) |
| 02:40.58 | mheath | elg: You missed the earlier discussion about how it accomplishes all of that |
| 02:41.29 | mheath | my initial offering will be far more humble since I simply don't have the financial resources to offer something like that yet, but I know how I can do it |
| 02:41.31 | vontrapp | and azureus |
| 02:41.34 | mheath | This is not a cheap system |
| 02:41.57 | mheath | it is designed to be cost effective because it replaces a lot of things that, all together, you'd pay more for |
| 02:42.10 | vontrapp | so the computer is actually... 10 computers in one? |
| 02:42.36 | mheath | vontrapp: Sort of :) |
| 02:44.36 | mheath | So, hmm |
| 02:44.39 | mheath | I have to call up MS |
| 02:44.54 | mheath | because after reinstalling once, Vista refuses to activate saying that my CD Key is 'already in use' |
| 02:47.18 | orlo | you got all that power on a single vista computer? turn off the continuous phoning home for 100's MB upgrade downloads and you use the computer to run sim city |
| 02:49.00 | mheath | orlo: huh? |
| 02:49.16 | mheath | My vista laptop has nothing to do with what I was talking about earlier. |
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| 02:53.54 | mheath | What the heck? |
| 02:54.11 | mheath | this article is about someone messed up who desserved to be fired, but this paragraph disturbs me: |
| 02:55.26 | mheath | "School administrators also discovered images of celebrities on his classroom computer. Some of the celebrities, such as the rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers and actress Brooke Shields, were pictured wearing little clothing. None of the images contained nudity. Durio said he was collecting images in preperation for a class on pop culture. School officials said he shouldn't have been collecting images during class time." |
| 02:56.11 | nick125_lappy | link? |
| 02:59.32 | mheath | http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070530/COUNTY090101/70530021 |
| 02:59.39 | mheath | Like I said, he did do some MESSED UP stuff |
| 02:59.59 | mheath | but they try to make itsound like he was viewing porn by viewing pictures of not-heavily-dressed celebrities |
| 03:01.11 | localstatic | I could have done without that thought... |
| 03:02.20 | nick125_lappy | me too :S |
| 03:02.45 | nick125_lappy | wow, that is pretty messed up |
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| 11:04.39 | mheath | I just hope to god today goes better than the last two days :( |
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| 12:51.10 | graphyx | Got wi-fi? Got wi-fis? You might need this: http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/781/slurpr-the-mother-of-all-wardrive-boxes |
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| 12:55.30 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 12:56.47 | jsmith | graphyx: I've only seen one better than that... |
| 12:57.07 | jsmith | graphyx: It had a seperate radio for each channel |
| 12:57.27 | graphyx | 11 radios or 14? |
| 12:57.32 | jsmith | graphyx: And was built inside of a toolbox, so that it didn't look conspicuous (I know I just spelled that wrong) |
| 12:57.34 | jsmith | 11 radios |
| 12:57.38 | jsmith | I think... |
| 12:57.51 | jsmith | It's been a while... I don't remember for sure... |
| 12:58.03 | graphyx | yeah, I would have just 1 radio for the 12-14 channels since most won't be using those. |
| 13:17.39 | ^Migs^ | http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/gears-puts-google-in-the-drivers-seat/2007/05/31/1180205350391.html |
| 13:17.42 | brac | [Gears puts Google in the driver's seat - BizTech - Technology - smh.com.au] |
| 13:24.06 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Yeah, I've been looking at that. |
| 13:24.27 | ^Migs^ | do you think it will catch on? |
| 13:28.48 | jsmith | Not sure yet |
| 13:29.11 | jsmith | I think it's a great idea though... something I've been thinking about for a while. |
| 13:29.29 | jsmith | It really comes down to the implementation though... in how well it's done, and how well it handles failure states |
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| 14:26.06 | graphyx | redbeard2: You start work yet? |
| 14:28.11 | mheath | This. IS. RETARDED. |
| 14:28.23 | mheath | SO, I've definitely been stuck here for 3 days for literally no reason |
| 14:28.33 | mheath | The reason: A fax didn't go through, or didn't get sent |
| 14:28.43 | mheath | And everyone has been too lazy for 3 days to figure out thats the reason |
| 14:28.53 | ^Migs^ | this is cool. I just set up a free AR webcam I got from newegg. I'm going to be able to watch my kids at home, but I need another one so they can watch me at work |
| 14:29.13 | mheath | I'm going freakin insane here |
| 14:29.33 | mheath | Spend my day around some guy who I dispise, who went and lied about depression and suicidal ideations so he could avoid getting out of trouble |
| 14:29.44 | mheath | erm, so he could get out of trouble* |
| 14:29.47 | graphyx | for an optimist, wouldn't that mean that it is just a fax that needs to be sent to get you out of there? |
| 14:30.00 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 14:30.21 | mheath | graphyx: That was my opinion this morning |
| 14:30.33 | redbeard2 | graphyx: i started on tuesday |
| 14:30.41 | mheath | I'm like, yah, simple, a fax, I'll start my stuff this morning, be out at DTP (the transfer holding unit) tonight |
| 14:30.52 | mheath | But, you forget one important thing |
| 14:30.54 | mheath | This is the military |
| 14:30.59 | mheath | And things are never that simple in the military |
| 14:31.18 | mheath | Hours after I went to medical this morning and they said "OK, we'll resend the fax" |
| 14:31.31 | mheath | I'm still sitting here, waiting. On my lunch break now. |
| 14:32.10 | graphyx | redbeard2: and you are already allowed to slack on irc!! |
| 14:32.10 | graphyx | what a great employer. |
| 14:32.20 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
| 14:32.20 | mheath | I got yelled at for bugging them too much |
| 14:32.27 | mheath | 1) I wasn't bugging them very much at all |
| 14:32.28 | mheath | and |
| 14:32.43 | mheath | 2) THEY DID NOTHING FOR 3 DAYS! IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE I WAS PROACTIVE THAT _ANYTHING_ HAS HAPPENED TODAY |
| 14:33.08 | elg | military: all the problems of humanity plus a license to yell and ignore subordinates |
| 14:33.25 | mheath | elg: Thats exactly what I was thinking earlier |
| 14:33.50 | elg | that's exactly why some of us counsel people thinking of joining the military to reconsider |
| 14:34.30 | mheath | I don't mean to be wanting to get the heck out of here |
| 14:34.34 | mheath | But I've been through all of this crap before |
| 14:34.40 | mheath | Seperation, all the delay, all the stupid BS |
| 14:34.50 | mheath | This is like deja vu of one of the worst times in my life |
| 14:36.42 | ^Migs^ | what's a good way to stream a live webcam feed? |
| 14:36.55 | ^Migs^ | is Theora + Icecast a good way? |
| 14:37.12 | mheath | The good news is, after he did yell at me for bugging him too much |
| 14:37.20 | mheath | I think he did make some phone calls, and actually try at it |
| 14:37.33 | mheath | And if I heard right, they really ARE faxing it over right now.. |
| 14:38.32 | mheath | I haven't eaten in like 5 days now (Minus some ice cream :P).... |
| 14:38.40 | mheath | I know I should eat, but I just don't feel hungry at all... |
| 14:39.02 | mheath | I just want to get the heck out of here! It's driving me crazy still being here.. |
| 14:40.18 | elg | not eating is a great way to feel terrible |
| 14:41.28 | ^Migs^ | yeah, just get something to eat, you'll feel better |
| 14:41.31 | ^Migs^ | that always helps me |
| 14:41.55 | ^Migs^ | play a video game or something |
| 14:42.03 | ^Migs^ | or whatever you like to do |
| 14:42.24 | mheath | This command is BS |
| 14:42.31 | mheath | My chief told me I'm trying to get kicked out |
| 14:42.43 | mheath | Said I obviously said all the wrong things to the psychologist |
| 14:42.49 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 14:42.58 | mheath | And told me before my ortho appointment "the doc will probably just tell you to take some ibuprofen and stop whining" |
| 14:43.06 | ^Migs^ | sounds like someone you don't want to work for |
| 14:43.19 | mheath | Then yells at me for like 30 minutes about how all I ever do is just create problems for him |
| 14:43.35 | mheath | Which is funny |
| 14:44.04 | mheath | considering that like a month ago, before all this crap, he told me during one of their required biweekly interviews how I was the least noticable of all the people under him because I never created any problems and had amazing military bearing |
| 14:44.11 | ^Migs^ | if my boss did that, I'd be looking for another job |
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| 14:45.22 | mheath | ^Migs^: Thats what I'm trying to do |
| 14:45.24 | mheath | Yet I'm stuck here |
| 14:45.34 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 14:45.43 | mheath | and the one thing I had going for me, that I had a good friend going through the exact same thing, got lost |
| 14:45.54 | mheath | Because he didn't get delayed, despite his situation being exactly the same |
| 14:45.55 | mheath | He's gone |
| 14:46.00 | mheath | I'm still freakin here |
| 14:46.25 | ^Migs^ | most people wouldn't object to having a few days to themselves, where they don't have to do anything |
| 14:46.41 | ^Migs^ | I'd LOVE to have some free time like that right about now. Minus all the worries, of course. |
| 14:46.56 | ^Migs^ | so what I think is you should just make the best of a bad situation |
| 14:46.59 | mheath | ^Migs^: Heh |
| 14:47.10 | ^Migs^ | just indulge yourself in something you like to do while you wait |
| 14:47.10 | mheath | Yeah, at first its like "Cool, I get a day off for th first time in months" |
| 14:47.23 | mheath | Then I sit there wasting my time doing busy work for them day after day after day |
| 14:47.30 | mheath | My friends from bootcamp just graduated training here |
| 14:47.34 | mheath | They all now outrank me |
| 14:47.51 | mheath | I'm still sitting here |
| 14:47.53 | ^Migs^ | I thought you were out of the military. Rank isn't an issue anymore. |
| 14:48.11 | mheath | ^Migs^: It is while I'm still here |
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| 14:48.22 | mheath | And everyone around me constantly reminds me of what I've failed at |
| 14:48.23 | ^Migs^ | I guess technically anyone in the military "outranks" me, but who cares? |
| 14:48.40 | ^Migs^ | sounds like real champs |
| 14:49.22 | ^Migs^ | if the people you keep company with are constantly harassing you or making fun, find different friends |
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| 14:52.45 | ^Migs^ | I certainly wouldn't stick around people like that, and I'd quickly lose any admiration for them or desire to be accepted by them, and just not care what they think anymore. Anyone who gets their kicks out of others' miseries isn't worth caring about. |
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| 15:02.30 | ^Migs^ | I know things are different in the military, and to some degree you have to expect being ridiculed, but that doesn't mean the behavior is acceptable. Draw the line somewhere. |
| 15:02.41 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OT discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 |
| 15:03.13 | redbeard2 | orange tang? |
| 15:03.32 | sjansen | is there any other type? |
| 15:03.46 | redbeard2 | i don't know. there could be. |
| 15:03.48 | ^Migs^ | mus tang |
| 15:03.59 | herlo | I like blue tang |
| 15:04.05 | redbeard2 | perhaps we should take a poll. if tang were to offer other flavors, what should they be? |
| 15:04.10 | ^Migs^ | raspberry tang |
| 15:04.15 | sjansen | cowboy neal! |
| 15:04.20 | ^Migs^ | I'd drink that |
| 15:04.27 | redbeard2 | that scares me |
| 15:04.29 | ^Migs^ | purple tang would be awesome, too |
| 15:04.37 | ^Migs^ | mauve tang |
| 15:05.22 | elg | "We have heard that some consumers have used TANG Drink Mix to clean their dishwashers. TANG does contain citric acid which can act as cleaning agent. TANG Drink mix is intended to be a food product and Kraft Foods does not advocate its use for any other purpose." |
| 15:05.23 | redbeard2 | maybe OT stands for open tang |
| 15:05.32 | redbeard2 | it's along the same lines as the open cola movement |
| 15:06.06 | Jayce^ | sjansen, guess you are moving? http://provo.craigslist.org/zip/341716573.html |
| 15:06.31 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, or you could poll to see who is familiar with drinking Hot Tang |
| 15:06.58 | redbeard2 | i didn't realize sjansen was chinese |
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| 15:07.16 | Jayce^ | right, the dwarf part I figured out, but not chinese |
| 15:07.37 | elg | orange sugar free, orange, wild berry, tangerine strawberry, orange kiwi, orange strawberry, tropical passionfruit, grape, watermelon wallop |
| 15:07.43 | elg | those are the flavors of tang |
| 15:07.57 | redbeard2 | wow! celebrate tang diversity! |
| 15:08.16 | elg | oops, there was another short page. also orange pineapple |
| 15:08.34 | elg | http://www.kraftfoods.com/main.aspx?s=product&m=product/product_results&SiteId=1&CatalogType=1&BrandId=108&PageNo=1 |
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| 15:16.14 | ^Migs^ | dwarf hamsters are the cutest |
| 15:16.33 | ^Migs^ | we had some, but my kids were too young and they were bitey |
| 15:16.41 | ^Migs^ | so we gave them back to the pet stoer |
| 15:16.43 | ^Migs^ | *store |
| 15:16.49 | ^Migs^ | and I think we sold our hamster cage at a yard sale. That was dumb. |
| 15:18.11 | elg | ya, you could have kept your kids in it |
| 15:19.57 | ^Migs^ | uh, no |
| 15:20.03 | ^Migs^ | just in case we got more hamsters |
| 15:20.13 | ^Migs^ | it's amazing how tiny those dwarfs are |
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| 15:28.01 | tensai | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sciuridae_jocularis/37505360/ |
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| 15:31.06 | neybar | thanks |
| 15:31.35 | graphyx | Jayce^: You were asking me about my house hunting. Were you just being social or did you have something? |
| 15:31.40 | tensai | ~lart winmail.dat |
| 15:31.40 | ibot | executes killall -TERM winmail.dat |
| 15:32.05 | graphyx | ibot, hommie don't execute dat! |
| 15:32.16 | elg | he has a cardboard box and wants to know if he should throw it out |
| 15:32.36 | graphyx | yes he should. |
| 15:32.46 | graphyx | cause I don't wanna box. |
| 15:33.17 | tensai | graphyx: that's right. aim high. look for a plastic container, or maybe an old freezer. |
| 15:33.37 | Jayce^ | graphyx, don't know the area you are looking at well enough |
| 15:34.09 | graphyx | We found a place is taylorsville. |
| 15:34.20 | graphyx | no utopia, but the library and park are really close |
| 15:34.25 | graphyx | so it will be nice. |
| 15:34.28 | sjansen | No, taylorsville is a place. |
| 15:34.43 | graphyx | s/is/in/ |
| 15:34.49 | sjansen | :-P |
| 15:34.52 | graphyx | s/sjansen/troll/ |
| 15:35.06 | sjansen | graphyx: Give me your lunch money! |
| 15:35.06 | elg | -chat sjansen |
| 15:35.07 | brac | sjansen went |
| 15:35.16 | elg | sjansen went bonkers |
| 15:35.20 | elg | -chat sjansen |
| 15:35.20 | brac | sjansen went bonkers |
| 15:35.20 | sjansen | I did not! |
| 15:35.24 | graphyx | -chat sjansen is |
| 15:35.24 | sjansen | I feel happy! |
| 15:35.25 | brac | sjansen is confusing. |
| 15:35.26 | findlay | heh |
| 15:35.36 | sjansen | I think I'll go for a walk now. |
| 15:35.45 | elg | -chat sjansen |
| 15:35.45 | brac | sjansen did a unique IP for the base for about 50 inches long |
| 15:35.47 | graphyx | do you feel happy? |
| 15:36.05 | sjansen | I'm not dead yet. |
| 15:36.43 | graphyx | -kill sjansen |
| 15:36.50 | elg | -chat do you |
| 15:36.50 | brac | do you have allowsubscribe set :) |
| 15:37.05 | graphyx | ~say thanks, very much, see you next week? |
| 15:37.56 | ibot | thanks, very much, see you next week |
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| 16:00.13 | findlay | -chat about feel happy |
| 16:00.14 | brac | feel happy |
| 16:00.21 | findlay | -chat about do you |
| 16:00.21 | brac | do you have to. ;-) |
| 16:00.29 | findlay | no |
| 16:02.05 | levi | I got the baseboard moulding and caulking done around the shower last night. Now I just need to paint trim, reinstall the toilet, put up the shower door, and hang the storage cabinet above the toilet. |
| 16:03.01 | findlay | sounds like fun |
| 16:05.48 | levi | Not at all, but at least it's almost done. |
| 16:05.55 | levi | Then I get to do another bathroom! |
| 16:06.58 | maquis | -chat about i need |
| 16:06.58 | brac | i need su [user] [camand] |
| 16:07.36 | levi | I HAS TEH CAMAND! |
| 16:07.43 | findlay | -chat about u need |
| 16:07.44 | brac | u need the sha1 hash of the first numbers in the evenings. I think you all you know what the $ns connect $tcp $sink thing does |
| 16:08.04 | findlay | I think we've corrupted levi |
| 16:15.19 | levi | I think not. |
| 16:18.18 | findlay | heh |
| 17:08.21 | levi | Does anyone else think the photoshopping of the Microsoft guy's face in grotesque ways is in poor taste? |
| 17:09.31 | dataw0lf | you run into poor taste frequently on the interwebs |
| 17:09.34 | findlay | who's the Microsoft guy? |
| 17:10.15 | dataw0lf | from the commercial? |
| 17:10.32 | findlay | or youtube for that matter |
| 17:12.08 | levi | No, some Microsoft dude that said bad things about Linux. |
| 17:12.17 | levi | I don't recall the story. |
| 17:12.34 | levi | And it's not just 'on the interwebs', it's in the openclue aggregator. |
| 17:15.33 | findlay | oh, you mean the guy who Matt Asay calls the leader of the 'counterinsurgency' :) |
| 17:16.08 | findlay | of course Microsoft will say bad things about Linux. It's in their DNA at this point |
| 17:18.52 | levi | Bill Hilf is the guy's name, I guess. |
| 17:19.19 | levi | General manager of platform strategy. |
| 17:32.50 | findlay | herlo: how long do you think the fc7 release party will go? |
| 17:33.36 | findlay | 7-9 I guess, so -2 hours |
| 17:33.59 | herlo | findlay: probably as long as we want to stay |
| 17:34.04 | herlo | findlay: are you coming? |
| 17:34.59 | findlay | I have a meeting at 8:30, so I should be able to come before then |
| 17:37.11 | rsimpkins | We have 50 PLUG members in LinkedIn now. |
| 17:37.41 | findlay | does that mean we get a prize? |
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| 17:40.12 | rsimpkins | findlay: The interwebs rejoice. |
| 17:41.06 | herlo | findlay: cool |
| 17:41.26 | findlay | but I won't be doing autographs |
| 17:41.27 | herlo | rsimpkins: Utah Open Source now has a LinkedIn Group... |
| 17:41.54 | rsimpkins | herlo: I need to sign up for that. |
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| 17:44.48 | herlo | rsimpkins: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/3406/57A7ED0EB69D |
| 18:26.36 | graphyx | who is the organizer of the group? |
| 18:36.00 | tensai | mmm. chipotle... |
| 18:36.35 | graphyx | chipotle is the group organizer? |
| 18:36.39 | graphyx | wow, must be good. |
| 18:37.41 | graphyx | herlo: hey, add me to the group for utos. |
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| 18:42.06 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 19:11.17 | graphyx | ~convert square feet to square meters |
| 19:11.45 | graphyx | ~convert feet squared to meters squared |
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| 19:47.18 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 19:49.17 | sontek | findlay: ping |
| 19:51.10 | sontek | sjansen: ping |
| 19:57.30 | ^Migs^ | http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7154 |
| 19:57.31 | brac | [Utah Outdoor Forum] |
| 20:03.42 | ^Migs^ | holy crap: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129 |
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| 20:21.59 | elg | very nifty |
| 20:22.14 | elg | i did something along those lines, though not nearly so sophisticated, with family history charts |
| 20:22.27 | elg | didn't perform so well though (can I blame the svg plugin at the time?) |
| 20:24.45 | ^Migs^ | that is seriously one of the coolest tech things I've seen in a very long time |
| 20:24.56 | ^Migs^ | here's a link: http://labs.live.com/photosynth |
| 20:24.58 | brac | [Microsoft Live Labs: Photosynth] |
| 20:25.22 | ^Migs^ | MS sure made a good move on that one |
| 20:30.02 | levi | That Photosynth demo is impressive. |
| 20:31.48 | levi | The guy reminds me of Jeff Goldblum's character in ID4. |
| 20:32.10 | elg | http://12.155.13.70/ |
| 20:32.17 | elg | can anyone access that? |
| 20:32.28 | Jayce^ | mhz dial plan |
| 20:32.34 | elg | hrm |
| 20:32.52 | elg | any .htaccess gurus? |
| 20:33.09 | elg | i'm trying to deny access to that except from the local subnet |
| 20:33.40 | Jayce^ | deny from all / allow from x.x.x ? |
| 20:33.56 | elg | this is what I have now: |
| 20:33.57 | elg | Order Deny,Allow |
| 20:33.57 | elg | Deny from all |
| 20:33.57 | elg | Allow from fugal.net |
| 20:33.57 | elg | Allow from 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 |
| 20:33.57 | elg | Allow from 172.16.0.0/255.240.0.0 |
| 20:33.59 | elg | Allow from 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
| 20:34.25 | rsimpkins | elg: Do you have the perms setup right for that dir? AllowOverride All? |
| 20:36.54 | elg | ok, now it's paying attention to me. but allow from fugal.net isn't working |
| 20:37.13 | elg | ah, probably reverse dns issue |
| 20:37.32 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/31/whale_hotline_hacked/ |
| 20:37.38 | brac | [Whale rescue hotline hacked | The Register] |
| 20:42.10 | graphyx | elg: I can see it still. |
| 20:42.27 | elg | refresh? |
| 20:42.41 | sjansen | sontek: pong |
| 20:42.56 | graphyx | yep. |
| 20:42.57 | graphyx | still. |
| 20:43.06 | ^Migs^ | Photosynth + Google Earth OMGGMO |
| 20:43.09 | sontek | sjansen: did you go to SCO? |
| 20:43.14 | elg | i don't believe you |
| 20:43.18 | sjansen | sontek: nope |
| 20:43.18 | elg | shift-refresh? |
| 20:43.20 | graphyx | ^Migs^: that did rock. |
| 20:43.22 | rsimpkins | elg: http://12.155.13.70/ - takes me to apache CentOS test page. |
| 20:43.43 | elg | right - that's what you should see |
| 20:43.43 | elg | if you're not permitted |
| 20:43.43 | ^Migs^ | I just installed it on my laptop. Runs fine. You don't need a very high end computer |
| 20:43.43 | graphyx | it is like a visual metadata. |
| 20:43.44 | ^Migs^ | Just a high-end graphics card |
| 20:43.44 | graphyx | ok that is what I got. |
| 20:43.49 | elg | oh ok |
| 20:43.59 | elg | yeah, not sure why it does that instead of 403 or something, but I don't care |
| 20:44.06 | graphyx | ok. |
| 20:44.41 | graphyx | ^Migs^: makes me wish that google bought them instead of microsoft. |
| 20:44.52 | ^Migs^ | no kidding |
| 20:44.53 | graphyx | then it would be put into something cool instead of proprietary |
| 20:44.58 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 20:45.07 | levi | Like google's stuff is not proprietary? |
| 20:45.28 | graphyx | perhaps they are doing a competing software to google earth. |
| 20:45.39 | graphyx | levi Well it may be, but they give access to it to anyone. |
| 20:45.40 | ^Migs^ | this doesn't compete with google earth at all |
| 20:45.48 | graphyx | It exceeds it. |
| 20:45.50 | graphyx | right. |
| 20:45.50 | ^Migs^ | it's about combining photos |
| 20:45.54 | ^Migs^ | no it doesn't |
| 20:46.08 | levi | graphyx: Microsoft gives away lots of software for free, too. What's your point? |
| 20:46.09 | ^Migs^ | google earth is linked to street map info and so on |
| 20:46.35 | ^Migs^ | actual lat/long coordinates, too. I see none of that in Photosynth. |
| 20:46.40 | graphyx | levi: tradditionally google's software has been more accessible to the common folk without paying for it with money. MS hasn't. |
| 20:46.52 | graphyx | ^Migs^: ok that is true |
| 20:47.10 | graphyx | but it is a competition to googles images search I would suggest |
| 20:47.22 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 20:47.27 | ^Migs^ | no, not really |
| 20:47.27 | graphyx | since it could be used to index photos by subject |
| 20:47.36 | ^Migs^ | because you NEED google's image search to get the images in the first place |
| 20:47.39 | graphyx | much better than image search can do. |
| 20:47.42 | ^Migs^ | ah, maybe |
| 20:47.43 | levi | graphyx: That doesn't make them any less proprietary. |
| 20:47.55 | graphyx | levi you are right, |
| 20:47.59 | ^Migs^ | I get the feeling it won't work nearly as well as it looks |
| 20:48.09 | levi | Internet Explorer has always been plenty accessible to the masses, and free of charge. |
| 20:48.10 | graphyx | Well I hope it does. |
| 20:48.15 | ^Migs^ | that you wouldn't be able to just enter a search term and have it automatically pull in all the images and combine them in real-time |
| 20:48.33 | ^Migs^ | IE has always been a little TOO accessible |
| 20:48.56 | graphyx | well the fact that there was 300 megapixel pictures in there makes it hard to pull in data that quickly. |
| 20:49.14 | graphyx | I suppose that thumbnails would be good as well. |
| 20:49.31 | ^Migs^ | anything would help complete the picture, it seems |
| 20:49.34 | ^Migs^ | even just thumbnails |
| 20:49.39 | graphyx | now a picture collage like that would be sweet to do in 4d. |
| 20:49.59 | graphyx | so that you could evaluate an area not just by 3d but also by the time the picture was taken |
| 20:50.07 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 20:50.16 | ^Migs^ | that WOULD be cool |
| 20:50.18 | graphyx | you could use the photo metadata to look at it. |
| 20:50.36 | ^Migs^ | say "I want to view this site before {date}" |
| 20:50.41 | graphyx | a sand castle would be a good demo. |
| 20:50.50 | rsimpkins | I swear some people choose 64bit just for bragging rights, having no clue how it could help/hurt them. |
| 20:51.04 | graphyx | put up a stationary object to manage the picture merge and have it show it being built and then swept away. |
| 20:51.08 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Amen! |
| 20:51.27 | graphyx | rsimpkins: If i had a choice right now I would stick with 32 bit. |
| 20:51.35 | ^Migs^ | 8-bit all the way |
| 20:51.39 | graphyx | unless I had a db server |
| 20:51.44 | graphyx | then I would look at 64 bit. |
| 20:51.45 | rsimpkins | graphyx: Same here, expect for a few high-performance servers where it would be nice. |
| 20:51.53 | levi | rsimpkins: Most people have no clue whatsoever about computer architecture, and 64 is bigger than 32. |
| 20:52.06 | rsimpkins | Good marketing tactic really. |
| 20:52.06 | graphyx | I want a 33 bit computer!!! |
| 20:52.11 | ^Migs^ | they think because 64 is higher it is therefore better |
| 20:52.15 | jsmith | rsimpkins: For MySQL, 64-bit is actually worse than 32-bit |
| 20:52.25 | jsmith | rsimpkins: But for PostgreSQL, it seems to be slightly better |
| 20:52.26 | levi | x86-64 has some nice improvements over x86. |
| 20:52.29 | rsimpkins | jsmith: In some cases it can be good. |
| 20:52.49 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Only if you're running *very* recent versions |
| 20:52.54 | graphyx | if you have more than 4Bn records. |
| 20:52.57 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Kinda like us. :) |
| 20:52.57 | graphyx | then it helps. |
| 20:53.06 | graphyx | rsimpkins: where do you work? |
| 20:53.18 | rsimpkins | graphyx: Omniture. jsmith's old job. :) |
| 20:53.23 | graphyx | oh right |
| 20:53.29 | graphyx | You have told me that before sorry. |
| 20:54.41 | graphyx | is centos knock off redhat? |
| 20:55.29 | rsimpkins | graphyx: It is a redistribution of enterprise. |
| 20:55.48 | rsimpkins | graphyx: I highly recommend it. |
| 20:55.48 | graphyx | ok I thought so. |
| 20:56.55 | jsmith | graphyx: I recommend it too... try it, you'll like it. |
| 20:57.10 | graphyx | we will see. |
| 20:57.21 | graphyx | So I start my new job in 2 weeks. |
| 20:57.25 | rsimpkins | Anyone who knows what "Enterprise" really means will appreciate it. :) |
| 20:57.27 | graphyx | 2 weeks 3 days. |
| 20:58.19 | graphyx | less excited about moving, but excited about the job. |
| 20:58.20 | Jayce^ | graphyx, will you have the house right away? or slumming until you get it? |
| 20:58.36 | graphyx | We will do a bit of slumming |
| 20:58.36 | Jayce^ | graphyx, at least you'll be here in time for the Plug BBQ :) |
| 20:58.52 | graphyx | but the company will pay for 60 days of temp housing furnished. |
| 20:58.54 | graphyx | $103/day. |
| 20:59.01 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 20:59.10 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I was hoping more people would jump on the bandwagon to bring stuff. :S |
| 20:59.16 | graphyx | yeah, but we will stay with my wife's sister for the first bit |
| 20:59.25 | graphyx | since we don't have unlimited days there. |
| 20:59.37 | nick125_lappy | Why in the world do they put laptop vents on the bottom of the laptop? |
| 20:59.39 | graphyx | just in case our house out here doesn't sell quickly. |
| 21:01.06 | herlo | Jayce^: which email? The one about the InterLUG BBQ? |
| 21:01.31 | rsimpkins | herlo: InuterLUG BBQ? |
| 21:01.36 | rsimpkins | Isn't that the same as the PLUG one? |
| 21:02.44 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: We are inviting other LUGs to this thing, right? |
| 21:02.45 | herlo | rsimpkins: I don't know. Last I checked it was called the InterLUG BBQ, you seem to think it worthwhile to alienate the rest of the LUGs |
| 21:02.53 | herlo | :) |
| 21:03.06 | herlo | PLUG BBQ implies only PLUG member IMO |
| 21:03.16 | herlo | rsimpkins: no flame intended |
| 21:03.17 | rsimpkins | herlo: I just never heard officially what we were doing or not doing. I assume it means all LUGs, but didn't know for sure. |
| 21:03.25 | brac | [The Gapminder World 2006, beta] |
| 21:03.56 | rsimpkins | herlo: I really don't think anyone will care if everyone who likes Linux - regardless of association - comes to it. |
| 21:04.38 | rsimpkins | I need someone to volunteer a lage quantity of soda/pop tho. It can be cheap. cans of soda, bottles of wal-mart water or something. |
| 21:04.57 | rsimpkins | Nothing is lamer than having your kids be at a huge party/bbq and not having anything to drink. |
| 21:05.18 | rsimpkins | Or a long line at the fountain. |
| 21:06.33 | rsimpkins | I'd like to bring my grill too - so we can cook quickly without messing with charcoal. I've got a big enough grill to cook 30 hot dogs, and 24 hamburgers at the same time (being conservative). |
| 21:06.52 | graphyx | when is it? |
| 21:06.59 | rsimpkins | June 16th. |
| 21:07.14 | graphyx | Yes I would be flying in the day before. |
| 21:07.16 | Jayce^ | herlo, the interlug is kind of a tagon to the Plug BBQ :) but yeah, everybody is invited.. |
| 21:07.18 | graphyx | we will se. |
| 21:07.29 | graphyx | ttyl g2g home. |
| 21:07.29 | rsimpkins | graphyx: Hope you can come. |
| 21:08.43 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: So do I - I'm really just not a fan of those nasty park grills. |
| 21:08.52 | herlo | Jayce^: but if everyone's invited? |
| 21:08.58 | Jayce^ | herlo, yup |
| 21:09.08 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I'll post something to sllug here tonight. |
| 21:09.20 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: and post on the site. |
| 21:09.21 | goozbach | herlo: then everyone shows up, and it's a mess |
| 21:09.37 | goozbach | trust me, it's not worth going, I'm not going to be there |
| 21:09.51 | rsimpkins | goozbach: party pooper. |
| 21:10.16 | herlo | goozbach: me neither actually because of poor planning on my part... |
| 21:11.00 | rsimpkins | herlo: there is plenty of time to modify plans, isn't there? |
| 21:12.03 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
| 21:12.23 | rsimpkins | above 1.00. so no delist for them then? |
| 21:13.21 | sjansen | Thing I can't figure: Why the recent rise? Why the above average volume? |
| 21:14.27 | Jayce^ | desperation to keep from delisting |
| 21:14.34 | goozbach | first boot off of the FC7 live cd |
| 21:14.42 | goozbach | buhahaha, anyone? |
| 21:15.03 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Do you know if it would be possible to take over scox? |
| 21:15.34 | sjansen | I know nothing. |
| 21:17.53 | herlo | rsimpkins: no, I am going to Ireland until the Monday following the 16th |
| 21:18.11 | rsimpkins | herlo: Ahh. Sounds like fun. |
| 21:18.12 | herlo | rsimpkins: if it were the 30th, I'd have been fine, but its okay... |
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| 21:18.43 | herlo | rsimpkins: yeah, it'll be fun. But I miss my friends at the BBQ |
| 21:18.49 | rsimpkins | Well, if just Jayce and I show up to the bbq, i'm sure we can figure out something to hack. |
| 21:19.10 | Jayce^ | sjansen will be there.. |
| 21:19.17 | Jayce^ | not like he has anything better :) |
| 21:19.22 | rsimpkins | hehe |
| 21:19.52 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: It really takes a lot of cash to do stuff like this. |
| 21:20.14 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 21:20.18 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Maybe next year we try to get $600 together, and provide food/drinks the whole nine-yards. |
| 21:21.09 | rsimpkins | Or, I'm sure $300 would go pretty far if we streched and just had cheaper food. |
| 21:23.45 | herlo | rsimpkins: that's something that Utah Open Source is trying to help with |
| 21:24.24 | rsimpkins | herlo: Sounds good. |
| 21:25.01 | herlo | rsimpkins: so we need your help :) |
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| 21:36.23 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 21:37.09 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 21:42.24 | levi | elg: Here's the newgroup post regarding the guy who implemented Simulink in Lisp: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/2ff89986ee77f639 |
| 21:48.33 | bonez39 | I added a new box...running linux...to my network..I gave it a static IP..... how do I mount / on this new box, from my existing linux box? this new box, named 'sklave' is plugged in to my router......??? |
| 21:48.55 | bonez39 | I guess what I am asking is what to put in /etc/fstab to create a permanent mount point...to it.. |
| 21:49.27 | bonez39 | would it be //192.168.x.x /sklave usre,noauto 0 0 ? should that work? |
| 21:49.40 | bonez39 | oh, with smbfs for type |
| 21:49.47 | bonez39 | and user instead of usre |
| 21:50.21 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Will nfs work for you? |
| 21:50.27 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=olsonl@mailhub.sosstaffing.com) |
| 21:50.45 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, I don't think I have nfs running... |
| 21:52.05 | bonez39 | hmmm |
| 21:52.37 | bonez39 | I have my windows machine mounted...similarly using > //192.168.15.xx/c /sethc smbfs user,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:52.48 | bonez39 | and that works..as user or root I can mount /sethc and I am there.... |
| 21:53.36 | bonez39 | /192.168.15.xx/ /sklave smbfs user,noauto 0 0 I think this should work, shouldn't it? |
| 21:54.10 | bonez39 | 28321: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 21:54.10 | bonez39 | SMB connection failed |
| 21:54.17 | bonez39 | I get this error.....wierd... |
| 21:58.51 | aldaek | do we have any group here in salt lake city planning a wireless mesh network for internet connectivity? |
| 21:59.52 | bonez39 | wireless mesh network? hmmmm |
| 22:00.18 | aldaek | yes. the idea where you build a wireless network of wireless subnetworks. |
| 22:10.23 | elg | -chat |
| 22:10.24 | bonez39 | I am no help with wireless... |
| 22:10.27 | brac | I haven't actually read it, you'll want to send people home for this one dedicated provider :/ |
| 22:10.35 | bonez39 | elg? any ides on my mounting dilemma? |
| 22:10.50 | elg | step up with your left foot, and swing the right one over |
| 22:11.23 | aldaek | k |
| 22:11.50 | bonez39 | elg, that does it...I am up in the saddle now....thanks, elg |
| 22:13.24 | elg | bonez39: i notice you don't have a /c part for sklave - you need to specify which share |
| 22:15.23 | bonez39 | elg, ok, that begs the question..this new box is running debian..I'd like to access it at root, '/'... how do I specify that, /, as the share? |
| 22:16.05 | bonez39 | I asked this in #debian, and got a tongue lashing from wols... I mean, this new linux box doesn't have /c .. as a mount point... |
| 22:16.36 | elg | why would you want to share the whole filesystem? |
| 22:17.23 | elg | security-wise it's a Bad Idea™ - almost as bad as sharing the whole filesystem in a windows box. :-) But more pragmatically, it will likely not work very well because of permissions |
| 22:17.27 | bonez39 | well, I want to access that machine....ok, I want to load zimbra on it...so I wanted to access it to archive to it..and put it to work |
| 22:17.56 | elg | however you can make whatever share you want in smb.conf, and call it whatever you want |
| 22:18.14 | elg | so if you shared your whole filesystem you could call it root or c, and mount it as //foo/root or //foo/c |
| 22:18.32 | elg | i recommend not sharing the whole filesystem if you can help it |
| 22:19.29 | bonez39 | ok...to access it enough to run apt-get update/upgrade and to be able to install zimbra to it..what should I set up as a share? |
| 22:19.52 | bonez39 | this is in smb.conf on this new box...right? so that it knows what to allow in and to share? |
| 22:21.27 | elg | you definitely wouldn't want to do that |
| 22:21.31 | elg | you'd want to ssh in to do that |
| 22:22.59 | bonez39 | well, I'd like to ssh to that machine....should I just ssh 192.168.15.xx to that machine? is that the way to go? |
| 22:23.20 | elg | to remotely manage your box, ssh is the way to go |
| 22:24.06 | bonez39 | elg, I KNEW you'd have the right answer for me |
| 22:24.12 | bonez39 | ok...ssh got me logged in |
| 22:26.08 | bonez39 | now if I can get apt-get to connect out..to net .. I'll be in business |
| 22:26.36 | bonez39 | I just want to have this box connected to power, and the router..no keyboard, mouse or monitor....just going to live under my desk..and serve up zimbra........ |
| 22:27.07 | bonez39 | if I am ssh'd to this box...shouldn't I then be able to run apt-get and have it update...that machine? |
| 22:27.13 | elg | ypu |
| 22:28.18 | bonez39 | ypu = yup? |
| 22:28.39 | bonez39 | I ran ifdown -a and that cut me off...rebooting it .. will retry this when it's booted back up |
| 22:29.04 | elg | ypu |
| 22:30.27 | bonez39 | now, I can't even access it..I guess running ifdown -a was ill-advised.... |
| 22:30.41 | elg | ifdown is one of those commands you might like to avoid when remotely administering a box |
| 22:30.51 | elg | unless you have a contingency plan |
| 22:31.10 | goozbach | an at job is a good one |
| 22:31.24 | goozbach | I use at to remotely manage firewalls |
| 22:31.34 | goozbach | at now + 20 minutes |
| 22:31.54 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.00 | goozbach | <ctrl>-D |
| 22:32.46 | elg | that's a good tip |
| 22:32.46 | elg | 20 minutes is a long "oops break" though. hope you have a good book to read :) |
| 22:32.59 | elg | i've done |
| 22:33.06 | bonez39 | elg, now I know....;) |
| 22:33.14 | elg | dangerous_command; sleep 10; undo_dangerous_command |
| 22:33.26 | elg | then you just ctrl-c if dangerous_command worked like you hoped |
| 22:33.41 | elg | or in the case of ifdown... |
| 22:33.44 | elg | ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 22:33.56 | elg | and hope your configuration change isn't messed up :) |
| 22:34.17 | bonez39 | ok, I can ssh to this box..named 'david'... connecting on LAN is fine, but it won't connect out, running apt-get update... |
| 22:34.33 | zzzirk | but we know you'd never mess up a config change elg... |
| 22:34.34 | zzzirk | ;) |
| 22:34.36 | bonez39 | what might be preventing it from connecting to apt / sources.list? |
| 22:34.45 | elg | me? never! |
| 22:35.12 | elg | bonez39: can you ping google? |
| 22:36.25 | bonez39 | ping google.com returns..nothing...just sits there... |
| 22:36.25 | bonez39 | so no, is the answer |
| 22:36.25 | bonez39 | david:/home/scott# ping google.com |
| 22:36.25 | bonez39 | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 22:36.26 | elg | then you have a routing, nat, or firewall problem |
| 22:36.41 | elg | or maybe just a dns problem with that output |
| 22:37.08 | bonez39 | I know when I had this box at home, it worked, fine...connected out OK... |
| 22:37.26 | bonez39 | should I check /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:37.48 | elg | what's in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:38.03 | bonez39 | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:38.03 | bonez39 | search fyrenice.com |
| 22:38.13 | bonez39 | that's likely the problem..needs to be 192.168.15.1 |
| 22:38.44 | bonez39 | that was it... |
| 22:39.07 | bonez39 | again, you got the right answer......elg |
| 22:41.42 | bonez39 | woah, dist-upgrade....this machine was way out of date....it's got a good hour or more.....of updating on it.... |
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| 22:46.18 | bonez39 | elg, at 6% of upgrade....have you worked with Zimbra at all? much with AJAX? |
| 22:46.29 | elg | nope and nope |
| 22:46.40 | elg | ajax is too whippersnapper for me. |
| 22:46.46 | bonez39 | I am thinking zimbra may be the answer to my email/calendar/IM prayers...for me and for wife more..and her growing business.... |
| 22:47.06 | elg | I'd like to know ajax, but I'd have to get serious about web development again to bother |
| 22:47.17 | elg | and getting serious about web development is just what I hope to avoid for the rest of my life |
| 22:47.25 | bonez39 | how much higher and deeper to you have to pile it all up before you are knighted Doctor? |
| 22:47.38 | elg | about 1.5-2 years |
| 22:47.39 | bonez39 | are you close to graduation? |
| 22:47.41 | bonez39 | ah... |
| 22:48.35 | bonez39 | it's great...you can get all sorts of advantage...once you are a Doc...front of line....priority handling.....they never ask what KIND of doc...but they all assume if you are a Doc..then your demands must be met...heheh |
| 22:49.28 | bonez39 | I had an uncle...was PhD .. taught in San Francisco..he'd be late for a plane..and would flash his Doctor credential..and ta da...special privilege..taxi the plane back in, etc...etc... |
| 22:49.40 | bonez39 | he'd really really stretch the notion.... |
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| 22:50.02 | elg | do they give you a badge? |
| 22:50.06 | Lone_Wanderer | mmm, sand-flavored! |
| 22:50.09 | bonez39 | I am sure they'll roll out the red carpet for you, simply based on your reputation..and knowledge... |
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| 22:54.05 | bonez39 | no badge? to get a shiny brass badge...you have to have 1) no conscious...2) an overt desire to bust chops and make people miserable...and 3) find great pleasure in carrying the most firepower....of anyone else in the crowd...and ta da.. 4) they declare you...Officer/Agent/Investigator/... take your pick.. |
| 22:55.11 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: what are you talking about? |
| 22:55.42 | Lone_Wanderer | and do you perhaps mean "no conscience" instead of "no conscious"? I doubt they'd give (whoever they are in this case) a brass badge to someone in a coma. |
| 22:55.47 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 22:56.53 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, thanks for the correction....yes, I meant no conscience...poor speeling.....that's all... |
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| 22:58.00 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, elg asked if becoming a doctor meant that you get a badge...and I replied, no, badges are awarded to guys and some gals..who like the rush of busting people..and watching them soil their drawers....they love the power that comes in the form of a 9 mm weapon..and a badge that say.s..You do what I say....RIGHT NOW.. |
| 22:58.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, you mean cops? |
| 22:58.42 | bonez39 | bingo..... |
| 22:58.50 | bonez39 | no offense to any lurking cops in here.... |
| 22:59.04 | Lone_Wanderer | 99% of the cops I've "interacted" with have been fine, upstanding individuals. |
| 22:59.37 | bonez39 | well, most that I personally know seem to be good people...wanting to help..but there are enough rogue types around to make suspicious of all... |
| 23:02.03 | bonez39 | when they deal with the folks they deal with..I think they become jaded..and look at everyone as if all are guilty of some crime.....somehow.. |
| 23:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | My sister gets that way. She works with troubled youth. |
| 23:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | And she deals with all teenagers everywhere the way she deals with kids at her work. |
| 23:02.03 | beandog | where does she work? |
| 23:02.03 | bonez39 | the worst, in my opinion...are those who's job it is , is to get poeple to say dumb things..and to incriminate self...... when they may be completely innocent..and then to bury the person not with the book but the whole forrest...to hang another simply on their words, delivered under duress. |
| 23:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I was at the grocery store with her once and the kids in line behind us were being jerks and she yelled at them. It was funny. |
| 23:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I forget the name of the place but it's out west at... about 70th south I think? |
| 23:02.04 | levi | Albertson's? |
| 23:02.04 | bonez39 | investigator types....LIE...just outright LIE..to everyone...to get them to do and say things..they wouldn't do..just to hang them...... |
| 23:03.00 | beandog | levi: lols |
| 23:03.00 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: Are you asking where she works, or what store we were at? :p |
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| 23:03.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it's called... Cottontree? Cottonwood? Maybe. I don't remember. |
| 23:03.01 | beandog | Ohhhh |
| 23:03.01 | beandog | yah. |
| 23:03.01 | beandog | that place. |
| 23:03.01 | beandog | Whack-A-Teen |
| 23:03.01 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Clearly, the grocery store. :P |
| 23:03.17 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: rofl, you *have* heard of it |
| 23:03.41 | beandog | :) |
| 23:03.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm surprised they hired her there, she's blown the whistle on a ton of places already. |
| 23:04.24 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, this is your sis? |
| 23:04.44 | bonez39 | just everywhere she goes..she finds all sorts of problems? |
| 23:05.10 | bonez39 | I think any cop could follow any randomly selected driver on any street in any town in the US..and find 5 reasons to ticket and tow their vehicle..... |
| 23:05.24 | beandog | I dunno about five. |
| 23:05.29 | beandog | I dont wash my car. Thats about all I do. |
| 23:05.44 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 23:05.47 | beandog | along with speeding recklessly and dangerous driving, and playing cell phone games. |
| 23:05.49 | levi | I've followed plenty of cops that I've found reasons to deserve tickets. |
| 23:06.10 | beandog | High Seas -- best cell phone game evah, btw |
| 23:06.23 | bonez39 | I'd hate to treat your sister......she'd find some reason, it seems, to complain...seems her destiny in life to find all the problems and string all the perps up .. |
| 23:06.54 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: I think the question is, how does she get herself in these circumstances of having to blow the whistle |
| 23:06.59 | bonez39 | levi, ah, but the cops are above the law...unless they are on tape and swing at other arresting cops...then they can go visit others at jail... |
| 23:07.04 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 23:07.24 | bonez39 | beandog, sounds like she looks for trouble..looks, actively seeks out problems ....isn't that fair to say, Lone_Wanderer ? |
| 23:07.50 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I don't know how you drew that conclusion. It's not what I said. |
| 23:08.10 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, as for treating your sister, I meant if she was my patient..and came in to get adjusted...after busting the bad guys....I'd think I'd NOT want to treat her...for fear she'd find some reason to blow the closest available whistle on me... |
| 23:08.17 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: The first place she worked, they didn't want to deal with any of the kids so they'd just strap them all to their beds and keep them sedated on narcotics all day. |
| 23:08.36 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: oh okay |
| 23:08.36 | beandog | Youre talking about places working with *kids* |
| 23:08.36 | Lone_Wanderer | The second place... I don't remember, but they were doing something illegal. |
| 23:08.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 23:08.36 | beandog | I figured you meant just random companies. |
| 23:08.39 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, no |
| 23:08.43 | beandog | I was like .. wth |
| 23:08.45 | Lone_Wanderer | she's worked for juvie centers for years now |
| 23:08.57 | bonez39 | you said "She's blown the whistle on a ton of places already" and from that I inferred that she was a whistle blower, just waiting to blow on the next wrongdoing |
| 23:09.02 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I don't know why you keep talking about "treating" her. |
| 23:09.35 | Lone_Wanderer | She is, technically, a whistle blower. If the place she works is doing something illegal, she reports them. |
| 23:09.48 | beandog | She should go into sales. |
| 23:09.50 | beandog | :) |
| 23:09.56 | beandog | bust some heads! |
| 23:09.58 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, I meant, if after dealing with all those kids and problems..and if she wanted to seek Chiropractic treatment from some Chiropractor...sorry, I just commented without telling you that is what I do.....sorry to mislead you |
| 23:10.10 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: Ohh, you're a quack. |
| 23:10.21 | bonez39 | she should work in Washington......bust those legislators back there |
| 23:10.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Except that washington *is* the government. kind of hard to tell on them to themselves. |
| 23:11.01 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, quack...quack....yeah, I help my patients....to avoid drugs and surgery..and to live better...without all the poison, burning and cutting...they'd normally get on the medical merry go round |
| 23:11.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Mmm hmm. |
| 23:11.15 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, well, someone has to be a watchdog over those who run the sow... |
| 23:11.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Because cracking your back can totally heal anything, right? |
| 23:12.03 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, I didn't say anything or everything.....nothing works 100% of the time....and I never suggest that Chiropractic or anythign else does..... |
| 23:12.49 | bonez39 | I dont' crack anyone's back or neck..I adjust...cracking is what happens when your high school football coach says.."Here, I can fix that....... " and then you end up in the ER...to undo the damage...that's 'cracking' another's back |
| 23:13.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, right. Sorry, I meant "adjusting" your "spine". |
| 23:13.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Those darn subluxations. |
| 23:13.35 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, but yeah, some say cracking..that's how it sounds....ah, then you do know your way around.. a few terms.. |
| 23:13.57 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a good thing they don't make you become an MD before you can be a chiropractor. You might actually learn how to take care of people's medical problems. |
| 23:14.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Everything I know about chiropractic I read on quackwatch.org ;) |
| 23:14.22 | bonez39 | unfortunately, a few of my colleague, give us all a bad name by promising cures that never materialize or by charging thousands for traction machines..... that do not ultimately help |
| 23:14.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Or chirobase. |
| 23:14.54 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, fine...I won't engage you about Chiropractic... from that bias... |
| 23:15.42 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, if I am in an accident or need help..I call the police...and am grateful for the help, just as I am for the help of competent MD's of various disciplines...when I have a patient that needs more than adjusting..I gladly refer them out |
| 23:15.52 | elg | i have a program that will create various files of the format foo-`date +%s`-1.wav |
| 23:16.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Based on the research I've read, the only thing that chiropractic really helps with is actual spinal column injuries. |
| 23:16.07 | elg | and I want to keep a month's worth and delete those that are older than a month |
| 23:16.28 | elg | not too hard to do with a cron job, but is there a program I should be using to do that? something time-tested and proven? |
| 23:16.45 | elg | I thought logrotate, but it doesn't really match the scenario after reading the manpage |
| 23:16.53 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, yes, we do help very well with spinal column injuries..thanks for acknowledging that....just don't say it to my migraine patients..and those with other seemingly non-spinal column related problems which only find relief in adjusting.. |
| 23:17.09 | Lone_Wanderer | And I've visited a chiropractor for spinal column problems in the past, and he helped quite a bit. But as I'm sure you're aware, a lot of chiropractors try to use chiropractic to deal with things that fall outside of that area. |
| 23:17.16 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: placebo |
| 23:17.40 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, yeah....... some of use...go way beyond the scope...when they should pick up a phone and call a specialist... |
| 23:17.48 | bonez39 | some of us |
| 23:18.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Although I can see how a lot of problems could stem from spinal cord injuries or problems and manifest themselves in ways that don't seem, intuitively, to originate there. |
| 23:19.01 | Lone_Wanderer | lukfugl: I think it's pretty much over by now ;) |
| 23:19.05 | lukfugl | awww |
| 23:19.08 | lukfugl | boooring |
| 23:20.22 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I've cracked my neck since Jr. High and it's caused some problems that I've had to see a chiropractor for. |
| 23:22.35 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, I had a young guy...25 or so, who was cracking his neck all the time..I convinced him to stop for a week or so..and it normalized..and now he doesn't have to overstretch it that way...got him weaned off the homemad opiate....endorphyn....... |
| 23:22.50 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 23:22.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I wish I could stop. |
| 23:23.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I sound exactly like that guy. |
| 23:23.23 | bonez39 | it's difficult....opium/heroin/endorphyn made in the brain..is a hard habit to break...when it feels so gooooooooooooood |
| 23:23.28 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what it is, too - homemade opiates. It feels *so* good. |
| 23:23.38 | bonez39 | it's right there..perfectly delivered..... |
| 23:23.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I crack almost every joint in my body. |
| 23:24.06 | bonez39 | dont' worry though, despite what lots of mothers and grandmothers say...it does NOT cause arthritis..just makes the joints a bit looser.... |
| 23:24.44 | Lone_Wanderer | With the exception of those that can't be cracked - the ones in my skull, my shoulders, the scapula... |
| 23:25.15 | elg | do the loosened joints cause any problems? |
| 23:25.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I can even crack the joints between my breastbone and xyphoid (zyphoid?) process and the ones at the very base of my spine - you know those four or five bones that extend beyond your pelvis? |
| 23:26.01 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: they do in your neck. at least my neck does. |
| 23:27.24 | Lone_Wanderer | so it loses tension and other muscles have to pick up the slack, which leads to headaches and my neck being constantly sore |
| 23:29.53 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39 can correct me if I get anything wrong |
| 23:31.52 | bonez39 | the joints in the skull, though seemingly immovable...can still move..they are hinged so that we can live through the birthing process...to allow the skull to contract and mould slightly...oon the trip to the outside world..... |
| 23:32.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't they fuse and become rigid as you grow up though? |
| 23:33.32 | bonez39 | sometimes the skull joints....are not quite aligned right..my father has adjusted a few..and with one young lady, who suffered terrible headaches, which made her suicidal...he assessed all else and noticed that pressure applied to her skull relieved her headaches....and after a few adjustments..her migraines completely resolved......call it voodoo, or whatever, but this lady...calls it relief and a life back...... and attirbutes it to my |
| 23:33.32 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.54 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:34.04 | bonez39 | they become rather rigid....and don't move much, but they can still flex slightly....when breathing.... |
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| 23:34.48 | chris_ | any females into linux? |
| 23:34.50 | bonez39 | the spine is enshouded in a ligament....PLL and ALL...wrapped all around to keep the spine intact....that's the ligament sleeve that gets stretched.. |
| 23:35.04 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: if it makes you feel any better, my suspicions extend to the entire medical industry, not just chiropractors. |
| 23:35.06 | bonez39 | chris_, where's erin...she's way into linux.and a few others are too |
| 23:35.18 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: Why do you ask? |
| 23:35.24 | chris_ | any near salt lake? |
| 23:35.29 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, well, it's good to be suspicious....to ask lots of question and to demand intelligent answers.... |
| 23:35.33 | chris_ | i think there col |
| 23:35.37 | chris_ | cool |
| 23:35.48 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, the best patients I find...are the ones who really work me..make me do homework. and ask me questions to test my knowledge... |
| 23:35.49 | chris_ | exactly |
| 23:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: May I suggest match.com as an alternative to IRC? Most of the girls here aren't looking for a date. |
| 23:36.10 | chris_ | well you try findedn a techi girl there |
| 23:36.17 | dataw0lf | i'm into linux |
| 23:36.17 | bonez39 | most here are looking for that special code to solve a problem....or a way to resolve some programming challenge... |
| 23:36.20 | chris_ | like finden a neadle in a hay stack |
| 23:36.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, you may want to work on your typing skills. |
| 23:36.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Or spelling. Not sure which it is that's giving you trouble. |
| 23:36.36 | chris_ | you can be nicer |
| 23:36.49 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf is a cutie. |
| 23:37.00 | dataw0lf | I've warned you about being sexist, Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:37.00 | Lone_Wanderer | But you've got to be careful around her. |
| 23:37.09 | bonez39 | dataw0lf, is a lady? a techie girl? |
| 23:37.12 | Lone_Wanderer | She's fiesty. |
| 23:37.18 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: yes, but don't tell chris_ that. |
| 23:37.22 | bonez39 | yow...... |
| 23:37.32 | chris_ | lol |
| 23:37.54 | bonez39 | I have all respect for any woman...who gets into linux...when my wife's laptop, running xp starts to act up..I tell her it's all due to winders..... |
| 23:37.57 | chris_ | i'm learning kubuntu |
| 23:38.25 | chris_ | dataw0lf from? |
| 23:38.27 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: seriously though, when you do what you just did (come into a chat room and the first words you type are "are there any girls here?!?") it gives a bad impression. |
| 23:38.50 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: and DW lives in Reno so you're out of luck there. |
| 23:38.50 | chris_ | well when you know no techi girls you ask |
| 23:39.08 | chris_ | you can be nicer |
| 23:39.15 | elg | µsec is 1e-6 seconds right? |
| 23:39.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I could be nicer but that would mean lying to you. |
| 23:39.28 | chris_ | then don't talk |
| 23:39.39 | dataw0lf | let's keep this civil |
| 23:39.46 | chris_ | thank you |
| 23:39.47 | bonez39 | chris_, but makes you look like a 13 year old oversexed male..... |
| 23:39.53 | chris_ | lol |
| 23:39.55 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: ^^ what he said. |
| 23:39.55 | chris_ | no |
| 23:39.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, it does. |
| 23:40.00 | dataw0lf | and anyone who joins a channel and asks for females is asking for it, chris_ |
| 23:40.06 | chris_ | i just don't know techi women |
| 23:40.13 | chris_ | sorry |
| 23:40.14 | dataw0lf | not to mention the fetid stink of your desperation will ensure that they don't speak to you |
| 23:40.20 | dataw0lf | just sayin |
| 23:40.38 | chris_ | when is KDE 4 comeing out? |
| 23:40.43 | bonez39 | hehehe, clearly chris is not married......anyone married, will learn to keep his mouth shut..and just do what he's told...and not ruffle the female feathers...! |
| 23:40.48 | Lone_Wanderer | If you want to meet techie girls the best way to do it is hang around, get to know people, make a lot of friends, and go to geek events. |
| 23:41.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Eventually you'll meet a girl. |
| 23:41.25 | chris_ | Have flash on my kubuntu but dosen't work in konqurer |
| 23:41.40 | bonez39 | flash? |
| 23:41.44 | chris_ | yes |
| 23:42.01 | chris_ | so you can run adobe flash files |
| 23:42.05 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: dunno if you heard but I'm trying to enlist as an 18X. MEPS is making it a pain. |
| 23:42.14 | dataw0lf | 18X, eh? |
| 23:42.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ja |
| 23:42.27 | chris_ | like java |
| 23:42.29 | dataw0lf | better start jogging in boots |
| 23:42.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Doing that. |
| 23:42.39 | chris_ | that not work there eather |
| 23:42.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I hike with a 50 pound pack three times a week, too. |
| 23:42.46 | chris_ | works in firefox though |
| 23:42.47 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 23:43.01 | dataw0lf | work up to a 25k every week, and you should be fine |
| 23:43.23 | dataw0lf | pullups help a lot too |
| 23:43.26 | Lone_Wanderer | and swim, and I'm working out regularly, and as soon as I get some BDU's I'll do weekly 100 meter swims in combat gear. |
| 23:43.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm shooting for 300 on the APFT. Dunno if I'll make it, but I'll pass for sure. |
| 23:43.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Assuming, of course, that I can even get past MEPS. |
| 23:43.54 | chris_ | i guise none of you know |
| 23:44.30 | Lone_Wanderer | 25k = 25 kilometers? |
| 23:44.30 | dataw0lf | doubtful if you'll get 300 your first PT test |
| 23:44.30 | bonez39 | APFT Armred forces fitness test? |
| 23:44.32 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: yep |
| 23:44.33 | dataw0lf | yea, 25 kilos |
| 23:44.40 | Lone_Wanderer | army physical fitness test I think it is |
| 23:44.46 | bonez39 | or Armed Porces Fitness Test? what's the P for? |
| 23:44.48 | Lone_Wanderer | isn't a kilo a unit of weight? |
| 23:45.05 | dataw0lf | kilometer, smart a$$ |
| 23:45.07 | bonez39 | kilo is thousand..of anything....meters, grams....liters... |
| 23:45.10 | Lone_Wanderer | oh ok |
| 23:45.22 | dataw0lf | I'd work on your pushups and run the mots |
| 23:45.24 | dataw0lf | most* |
| 23:45.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm just used to hearing it mean weight. "You can get a kilo of tangerines for a nickel in Morocco", etc. |
| 23:45.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:45.44 | dataw0lf | I'd do pyramids |
| 23:45.50 | Lone_Wanderer | what are those? |
| 23:45.57 | dataw0lf | and switch between normal pushups, diamonds, and widearms |
| 23:46.14 | chris_ | I guise no one talks tech hear |
| 23:46.16 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, generally, for length...it would be just K's ..as in 'ran 10 k today...' |
| 23:46.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I did pushups with rings this morning. Those are *hard*. |
| 23:46.22 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: not much, actually. |
| 23:46.24 | dataw0lf | 1 pushup, 2 pushups.... 20 pushups, 19 pushups |
| 23:46.28 | dataw0lf | back down to one |
| 23:46.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 23:46.37 | Lone_Wanderer | rest 10 secs between each or something? |
| 23:46.46 | dataw0lf | 15 seconds, jog in place |
| 23:46.49 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:46.57 | Lone_Wanderer | my downstairs neighbors are going to hate me :) |
| 23:47.17 | bonez39 | lone, data, chriis....and elg....thanks for the help today....! gotta run |
| 23:47.27 | dataw0lf | dang I helped today? |
| 23:47.30 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: later. no hard feelings I hope. |
| 23:47.40 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I was thinking about myself too ;) |
| 23:47.59 | dataw0lf | well, if he thinks I helped him, that's all that matters |
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| 23:48.03 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, none at all.......glad to have someone challenge me now and then..and make me think, keep me on the right track |
| 23:48.16 | calvarez | hello newbies |
| 23:48.22 | calvarez | it's been a while |
| 23:48.22 | Lone_Wanderer | My good deed is being alive. |
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| 23:48.39 | dataw0lf | good call LW |
| 23:48.47 | Lone_Wanderer | My presence at my apartment complex does everyone there so much good that I figure just waking up and walking outside is my good deed for the day. |
| 23:49.01 | bonez39 | dataw0lf, glad you are here....to temper the channel....a female perspective is needed...here and across many fields....we guys can't possibly think up all the answers or approaches... |
| 23:49.27 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 23:49.28 | dataw0lf | bonez |
| 23:49.28 | dataw0lf | I'm not really a woman, you know that, right? |
| 23:49.28 | bonez39 | right |
| 23:49.29 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:49.39 | dataw0lf | I gotta go and kill some rattlesnakes I'll be back in a few |
| 23:49.55 | chris_ | what is the best open source CAD program? |
| 23:50.02 | Lone_Wanderer | chris_: LISP ;) |
| 23:50.21 | chris_ | LISP is a programing language |
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| 23:50.27 | chris_ | not a CAD program |
| 23:50.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I know, I was being dumb. The only CAD program I know of is written in Lisp. |
| 23:51.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I believe, anyway. At least you can add modules and things in a Lisp-like language. If levi were paying attention he'd correct me. |
| 23:51.30 | chris_ | I whant a good free #D CAD program |
| 23:51.34 | chris_ | 3d cad |
| 23:51.43 | chris_ | not the cheap kind eather |
| 23:52.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I think you may be out of luck on that front. |
| 23:52.28 | chris_ | So far I have ben |
| 23:53.39 | chris_ | The good ones are pricy ones |
| 23:54.26 | chris_ | Why spend money on linux |
| 23:54.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Why spend money on anything?? We should all go back to a barter economy. |
| 23:56.07 | chris_ | how do I re-index with beagle? |
| 23:57.07 | chris_ | it's like google desktop |
| 23:57.19 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:58.22 | mheath | well, I transfered to DTP finally :) |
| 23:58.29 | mheath | Wow, this internet connection iis horrible. |
| 23:58.31 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: what's DTP? |
| 23:58.44 | mheath | Directorate of Transient Personnel |
| 23:58.48 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 23:59.23 | mheath | The important thing is: Things are happening! |
| 23:59.25 | Lone_Wanderer | So you're just hanging out there then? |
| 23:59.26 | Lone_Wanderer | yay! |
| 23:59.32 | mheath | Yeah, kinda |