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| 02:07.41 | vontrapp | yay! |
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| 02:08.04 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 02:08.51 | vontrapp | time to wall mount my speakers |
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| 02:27.25 | nick125_lappy | I want to start a textbook publishing company someday |
| 02:28.07 | nick125_lappy | So I can legally rip people off |
| 02:28.29 | nick125_lappy | and make a lot of money while at it. |
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| 06:06.29 | Sargun | haha |
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| 06:46.28 | brasto | anyone know a way I can batch rename files? Fore example, if I have a bunch of files census*.php and I want to name them with a capital C to Census*.php, how do I do it? |
| 06:46.41 | Tene | 'rename' |
| 06:46.53 | Tene | rename census Census census*.php |
| 06:48.16 | brasto | ah, i didn't even know that command existed... cool! tx Tene! |
| 06:48.54 | brasto | doH! I get this: |
| 06:48.56 | brasto | rename census Census census*.php |
| 06:48.56 | brasto | Bareword "census" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 06:49.07 | brasto | brb |
| 06:49.27 | Tene | there's another version of 'rename' out there that uses perl regex |
| 06:49.35 | Tene | looks like that's the version you have |
| 06:49.46 | Tene | rename s/census/Census/ census*.php |
| 06:49.48 | Tene | perhaps |
| 06:56.34 | brasto | sweet! that did it Tene! |
| 06:56.50 | Tene | what distro are you on? |
| 07:02.33 | brasto | dw should tell me, right? |
| 07:02.47 | brasto | nope... |
| 07:03.38 | brasto | it's a 1and1 shared hosting plan |
| 07:03.49 | brasto | the site is: http://test.mscis.org |
| 07:04.21 | Tene | just curious. |
| 07:04.28 | brasto | that's where i'm testing for my next update to http://pgv.flfn.org , which is hosted on a Verio server. |
| 07:04.55 | brasto | I'm pretty sure 1and1 is Fedora based. |
| 07:06.01 | brasto | interested in why i needed to know? |
| 07:06.34 | Tene | interested to see what distro has that 'rename' |
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| 07:06.43 | brasto | PhpGedView 4.1 Beta 5 has all lower case letters in file names. |
| 07:07.32 | brasto | According to their svn, they should have upper case letters in some files: http://phpgedview.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/phpgedview/trunk/phpGedView/modules/research_assistant/forms/ |
| 07:07.53 | brasto | Naturally, this breaks include() and require() functions. |
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| 07:19.58 | Supaplex | hehe I was afk all this time. :) |
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| 13:23.43 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://www.theonion.com/content/news/myspace_outage_leaves_millions |
| 13:24.33 | ^Migs^ | BEVERLY HILLS, CA.An estimated 150 million people continued to be without social lives Tuesday as a massive system failure at MySpace.com entered its third day. |
| 13:30.32 | ^Migs^ | check out Google Maps' new street view: http://maps.google.com |
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| 14:01.37 | graphyx | wow that rocks. |
| 14:02.35 | graphyx | Ok, guys, I have a cool idea for making money off of hot spots. |
| 14:03.02 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 14:03.52 | graphyx | http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 14:03.54 | brac | [Upside-Down-Ternet] |
| 14:04.03 | graphyx | This guy just messes with the images. |
| 14:04.16 | graphyx | but what if you just alter the adsense key that gets requested. |
| 14:04.22 | graphyx | to one that you own.. |
| 14:04.31 | graphyx | Then you have a revenue stream. |
| 14:05.05 | graphyx | Limit access to 80/443 to prevent a lot of nonsense and try to get as many users and you could make some money. |
| 14:17.44 | graphyx | in case you haven't seen this... http://www.1-click.jp/ |
| 14:17.53 | brac | [1-click Award by 株式会社リクルートメディアコミュニケーションズ] |
| 14:17.56 | ^Migs^ | I got a kick out of this: http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_believe_in_evolution_except |
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| 14:33.06 | goozbach | oh it's soooo good being home! |
| 14:34.00 | graphyx | "Can you smell the awesome?" |
| 14:51.21 | mheath | Bah. |
| 14:54.31 | mheath | So far today is exactly like yesterday. |
| 14:54.46 | mheath | Which means that, tomorrow will probably be the same way too. |
| 14:58.47 | goozbach | newsflash!!! most days are exactly the same |
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| 15:03.37 | graphyx | mheath: I think I have the right site for you. iambored.com |
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| 15:06.02 | mheath | No, I'm on my lunch break |
| 15:06.06 | mheath | I can find things to do right now |
| 15:06.12 | mheath | Its the 10+ hours a day I'm stuck in the building |
| 15:06.24 | mheath | Where they tell me "We're waiting on it" and do nothing to figure out whats taking so long |
| 15:18.48 | ^Migs^ | my days are always filled with extreme action |
| 15:19.19 | ^Migs^ | like eXtreme coding or eXtreme garden planting, or eXtreme lawn mowing |
| 15:19.56 | mheath | anything other than spending all day in rickover center is extreme. |
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| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | I need some good drum samples for my music |
| 15:27.27 | ^Migs^ | thx |
| 15:27.27 | lukfugl | np |
| 15:27.27 | ^Migs^ | not entirely what I had in mind |
| 15:27.28 | elg | you could try freesound |
| 15:27.29 | ^Migs^ | but thanks anyway |
| 15:27.39 | elg | http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ |
| 15:27.48 | ^Migs^ | oh, sweet |
| 15:28.10 | ^Migs^ | reminds me of the old soundfont library web sites |
| 15:31.53 | levi | Oh my, that Street View demo video was corny. |
| 15:35.11 | graphyx | I just pulled one random one up. Looks rather cool. |
| 15:35.28 | graphyx | I suspect that there is 2 ways that they could do this. |
| 15:35.44 | graphyx | 1) pay internal people to create them |
| 15:35.53 | graphyx | (slow and expensive) |
| 15:36.27 | graphyx | 2) accept anyones posting (risk of inappropriate materials) |
| 15:36.58 | graphyx | 3) pay internal to review public postings (best mix, but still some risk of easter egg material) |
| 15:37.10 | graphyx | with the risk of some data being inaccurate. |
| 15:41.41 | maquis | anybody here looking for a dev position? |
| 15:43.11 | Sargun | Where? |
| 15:43.57 | maquis | Sargun: seattle... |
| 15:44.33 | maquis | we're looking for people with a good bit of industry experience, or college degrees |
| 15:44.41 | elg | can they have both? |
| 15:44.51 | maquis | but elg sure |
| 15:44.54 | maquis | er |
| 15:44.56 | maquis | elg: sure :) |
| 15:45.21 | maquis | anyways, if anyone's interested, feel free to PM me |
| 15:45.35 | Sargun | maquis, What is the term of the position? |
| 15:45.47 | Sargun | Also, mind if I forward this on to someone. |
| 15:45.50 | maquis | Sargun: this would be a full-time position |
| 15:45.53 | elg | for evvv er |
| 15:46.38 | ^Migs^ | what's the cost of living in Seattle? |
| 15:46.54 | elg | well you have to have an umbrella |
| 15:47.05 | ^Migs^ | I can't afford an umbrella |
| 15:47.10 | elg | but you don't need sunglasses so it kind of balances out |
| 15:47.11 | ^Migs^ | will the company provide one for me? |
| 15:47.40 | elg | they'll give you a plastic grocery bag |
| 15:47.47 | graphyx | only on odd numbered tuesdays. |
| 15:48.21 | graphyx | since all tuesdays are numbered you just have to wait for one especially odd to ask for them. |
| 15:48.46 | maquis | ^Migs^: pretty high |
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| 15:51.03 | levi | maquis: Maybe I'll take up another offer like that in a year or two. ;) |
| 15:52.09 | ^Migs^ | what kind of home could I buy with $200,000, for instance? |
| 15:52.18 | levi | ^Migs^: Not much of one. |
| 15:52.27 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 15:52.29 | levi | ^Migs^: Maybe a condo? |
| 15:52.31 | ^Migs^ | Seattle sucks |
| 15:52.40 | levi | ^Migs^: You can't buy much of a home for $200,000 here, either. |
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| 15:52.48 | levi | Well, maybe it's cheaper up north. |
| 15:52.49 | ^Migs^ | where's "here?" |
| 15:52.56 | levi | The Salt Lake valley. |
| 15:53.02 | ^Migs^ | yeah, Salt Lake is pricey |
| 15:53.11 | herlo | you guys are smoking |
| 15:53.12 | ^Migs^ | up here in ghetto-land as my SLC friend calls it homes are cheap |
| 15:53.23 | herlo | Salt Lake is nice and its cheap |
| 15:53.35 | ^Migs^ | I agree. I think levi's just picky. |
| 15:53.43 | levi | herlo: When was the last time you looked at SLC home prices? |
| 15:54.00 | levi | Aside from home prices, it's relatively cheap. |
| 15:54.04 | herlo | compare it to any other major city |
| 15:54.08 | herlo | levi: May |
| 15:54.22 | herlo | I made an offer on a Townhome in May |
| 15:54.31 | levi | SLC is not exactly a major city. |
| 15:55.56 | levi | herlo: Where was the townhome? |
| 15:56.04 | herlo | levi: Murray |
| 15:56.21 | levi | How much, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 15:56.30 | herlo | levi: I would disagree that SLC is not a small major city. We have several things that make us a major city |
| 15:56.48 | herlo | levi: 165k |
| 15:57.02 | herlo | 3bdr 2.5bath 1400sq ft |
| 15:57.16 | herlo | didn't accept my offer, still looking |
| 15:57.23 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 15:57.35 | levi | What were they asking for it? |
| 15:57.39 | herlo | but I wanted to have them pay closing costs and all of that |
| 15:57.45 | herlo | they were asking 165k |
| 15:58.01 | levi | Hmm. |
| 15:58.11 | herlo | they had another offer for about the same (from what I was told) that didn't want the closing costs paid for |
| 15:58.23 | rsimpkins | levi: Why don't you think SLC is a major city? |
| 15:58.57 | herlo | we have a NBA team, a major airport and a major university |
| 15:59.03 | herlo | among other things... |
| 15:59.15 | goozbach | and an arena football team |
| 15:59.27 | herlo | true and an mls soccer team |
| 15:59.33 | jsmith | herlo: Do you know how many *minor* cities have major universities much bigger than anything in SLC? |
| 15:59.44 | rsimpkins | SLC isn't the largest city by far, but it does deserve the distiction of 'major' I think. |
| 15:59.50 | levi | NYC is a major city. |
| 15:59.57 | jsmith | herlo: SLC doesn't have an NFL team... 'nuff said |
| 16:00.09 | rsimpkins | levi: So 'major' is 10M+ residents? |
| 16:00.10 | levi | SLC is large for the region. |
| 16:00.57 | herlo | levi: NYC is a humongous, not comparable |
| 16:01.27 | levi | Indeed, it's not comparable, yet it is undeniably a major city. |
| 16:01.36 | rsimpkins | You can see how we stack up here: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-CombMetro.html |
| 16:01.36 | levi | Thus, SLC is not. |
| 16:01.38 | herlo | take raleigh/durham. Is it a major city? |
| 16:01.40 | brac | [USA - City Population - Cities, Towns & Provinces - Statistics & Map] |
| 16:02.17 | rsimpkins | The site says 2,550,063 residents in SLC in the 2006 census. |
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| 16:02.39 | rsimpkins | levi: Is the 'Principal Combined Metropolitan Areas' list what you are calling 'major'? |
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| 16:03.29 | levi | Um, I don't think so. Maybe in the whole Wasatch Front. |
| 16:03.45 | levi | http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFPopulation?_event=ChangeGeoContext&geo_id=16000US4967000&_county=Salt+Lake+City&_cityTown=Salt+Lake+City&_state=04000US4&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010 |
| 16:04.05 | herlo | levi: we are talking metro areas |
| 16:04.11 | findlay | ~dict "Salt Lake City" |
| 16:04.25 | maquis | levi: yeah... i'm looking for around now :) |
| 16:04.34 | herlo | Los Angeles City only has something like 3million people, but its metro area has 33million |
| 16:04.39 | levi | Okay, let's just call SLC a 'second tier' major city and we can all be happy. |
| 16:05.04 | findlay | ~ping |
| 16:05.28 | ibot | pong |
| 16:05.29 | herlo | levi: I win! |
| 16:05.29 | levi | 3 million is a LOT more than 159k. |
| 16:05.30 | levi | LA is a major city. |
| 16:05.30 | herlo | levi: true |
| 16:05.32 | herlo | on both accounts |
| 16:05.38 | findlay | ~dict Salt Lake City |
| 16:05.51 | findlay | ~dict 3 Salt Lake City |
| 16:06.32 | levi | Driving through SLC after driving through LA makes one of them feel decidedly less major. |
| 16:06.40 | findlay | LA? |
| 16:06.48 | levi | I don't know why you all feel a need to have SLC be a 'major' city. |
| 16:06.59 | findlay | heh |
| 16:07.04 | herlo | I don't know why you don't levi |
| 16:07.08 | dna3e8 | morning |
| 16:07.30 | sjansen | mega city == Sao Paulo, Mexico City, etc. | super city == LA, etc. | major city == SLC, etc. |
| 16:09.14 | rsimpkins | I've not found any 'official' defenition of what a major city is. So perhaps it is really more subjective. Maybe someone can find something. |
| 16:09.18 | dna3e8 | ... nad orem |
| 16:09.43 | levi | dna3e8: I'm sure Provo and Orem are included in the 2.5 million population count mentioned earlier. |
| 16:10.14 | elg | is el paso a major city? new orleans? albuquerque? what about little rock? |
| 16:10.28 | findlay | none of them are major |
| 16:10.41 | redbeard2 | little rock is too little |
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| 16:10.59 | levi | El Paso is a dive. I wouldn't want to call it a major city even if it was huge. |
| 16:11.11 | elg | :-) |
| 16:11.22 | elg | nor would I, but i'm just getting juices flowing |
| 16:11.25 | findlay | there is only one major city and that is, um, Moab! |
| 16:11.31 | levi | 2.5 million is practically the entire population of Utah. |
| 16:11.36 | elg | cities people have never been to but know about, they might think of as "major" |
| 16:11.51 | elg | then when you go to el paso you realize "this is major alright, a major dump" |
| 16:12.13 | elg | the point being a lot of places don't seem so major after you've been there |
| 16:12.19 | levi | I lived in Ft. Bliss for 8 years. |
| 16:12.22 | elg | what about providence? |
| 16:12.26 | rsimpkins | levi: that number was for the "Combined Metropolitan Area" which very likley includes Orem/Provo. |
| 16:12.45 | elg | providence might be considered part of the "combined metropolitan area" that is the east coast :) |
| 16:12.57 | levi | rsimpkins: It's a huge mass of suburbia, not a city. Bunch of bunk. |
| 16:13.53 | findlay | great |
| 16:13.58 | findlay | now you have to define a 'city' |
| 16:14.17 | levi | That's easy. It has a well-known definition. |
| 16:14.36 | findlay | somewhere that spider man has places to swing from |
| 16:15.14 | rsimpkins | levi: metropolitan areas can be quite large I believe as they typically include suburban areas. |
| 16:16.00 | levi | rsimpkins: Indeed, but it doesn't say much about the actual cities involved. |
| 16:16.08 | rsimpkins | levi: In this case 219,889 km^2 |
| 16:16.56 | levi | If SLC were in California, it wouldn't even deserve a mention. It'd be part of a metropolitan area named after a real major city. |
| 16:17.14 | dna3e8 | is any one going to tthe fedora release party at Novell? |
| 16:17.35 | findlay | herlo is! |
| 16:17.37 | levi | Same as if it were on the east coast. |
| 16:18.21 | JoshH | pardon my ignorance, but why would novell be hosting a party for a fedora release? |
| 16:18.42 | herlo | dna3e8: yes I am |
| 16:19.15 | JoshH | considering their distro is basically a rival |
| 16:19.17 | herlo | JoshH: k, for everyone's benefit. Its not Novell that's hosting it. Its the Open Source Technology Center on Novell's campus. |
| 16:19.22 | herlo | and |
| 16:20.08 | herlo | Who cares where it is, think about this as a bringing the community together rather than picking it apart because their "different". To me, that's the difference between Open Source and proprietary groups... |
| 16:20.10 | rsimpkins | Who is hosting the party at the OSTC? |
| 16:20.14 | herlo | me |
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| 16:20.15 | JoshH | ah i see |
| 16:20.21 | herlo | rsimpkins: Utah Open Source is |
| 16:20.26 | rsimpkins | Ahh, k |
| 16:20.49 | JoshH | herlo: i understand now, but i've never thought of novell as an altruistic organization, hence my confusion |
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| 16:21.04 | levi | Novell has been infected by the 'Open Source' virus, causing them to do all sorts of seemingly bizarre things like giving away source code for free and hosting parties for rival operating systems. ;) |
| 16:21.16 | herlo | JoshH: Its Open Source that makes this possible |
| 16:21.18 | dna3e8 | lol |
| 16:21.25 | rsimpkins | Is fedora really a rival? |
| 16:21.31 | findlay | I'm sure Microsoft will kick them out of it |
| 16:21.33 | herlo | and now Novell is part of that, as levi so eloquently pointed out |
| 16:21.34 | JoshH | well rh is novell's rival |
| 16:21.39 | rsimpkins | I wonder how much of 'Red Hat's' code is in SuSE. :) |
| 16:21.41 | JoshH | that's what i meant |
| 16:22.06 | herlo | JoshH: untrue, I think breeding competition is good, rivalry is good, but remember in the end, we're all part of the same team |
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| 16:22.22 | Zelut | what are yu retards arguing about |
| 16:22.29 | JoshH | wouldn't you think it was weird if there was a suse party on the redhat campus? |
| 16:22.36 | rsimpkins | Zelut: The use of the word 'retard.' |
| 16:22.42 | findlay | until the microsoft is vanquished then it's every man for himself! |
| 16:22.46 | JoshH | i understand what it's about now, i just didn't at first :) |
| 16:23.06 | herlo | JoshH: actually no, they have a LUG their that is completely open to any topic |
| 16:23.13 | herlo | at RedHat that is |
| 16:23.49 | herlo | I went recently too. Sure there is a slight bias to RH products, but that's because many of the people there use RHEL/Fedora |
| 16:24.16 | herlo | I suggest you come and see for yourself what influence there will be tomorrow night |
| 16:24.26 | Zelut | I don't see any issue with a Fedora release at the Open Source Tech Center |
| 16:25.34 | herlo | I swear, you guys can't get past it...the whole Novell connection is irrelevant in this context, but hey... |
| 16:25.37 | levi | I don't see any reason to go to a release party at all, but hosting any Linux-related community event can only build good will for Novell. |
| 16:25.48 | herlo | levi: thank you... |
| 16:26.17 | Zelut | Novell is null in this conversation. It's Fedora release at an Open Source Technology Center. |
| 16:27.34 | levi | Which Open Source Technology Center was kindly provided by Novell. |
| 16:27.58 | dna3e8 | building A |
| 16:27.58 | findlay | those GL guys are just used to moving everywhere :) |
| 16:28.06 | levi | For the purpose, I imagine, of building good will towards themselves in the Open Source community. |
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| 16:29.21 | sjansen | Cheese! |
| 16:29.35 | findlay | Soy! |
| 16:30.15 | rsimpkins | "Novell Worries About GPL v3" hehehe |
| 16:30.24 | rsimpkins | Gotta laugh at that. |
| 16:30.31 | levi | Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein! |
| 16:33.26 | Jayce^ | because TVP wasn't scary enough |
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| 16:38.29 | levi | HVP is even scarier if you have MSG sensitivity. |
| 16:39.26 | findlay | ~msg levi |
| 17:11.48 | maquis | who decided to put the air-tube next to the swallowing tube |
| 17:12.58 | findlay | heh |
| 17:14.41 | levi | Huh, have you guys looked at the Microsoft Surface stuff? |
| 17:14.54 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah.. |
| 17:15.21 | levi | Looks like cool stuff. |
| 17:15.49 | Jayce^ | still, had to think as ballmer was first describing it... "Hey it's a big iphone interface" |
| 17:15.52 | levi | Somehow, I don't think things are going to materialize quite like in the demo videos, though. |
| 17:17.46 | Sargun | levi, Looks kinda dumb. |
| 17:18.25 | Sargun | Sony has something that was much more open |
| 17:18.25 | Sargun | and dynamically generated modules |
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| 17:18.40 | Sargun | I think this is just microsoft copying something, again. |
| 17:18.54 | levi | Sargun: I think you think it's dumb because it's a Microsoft product. |
| 17:19.00 | Sargun | No. |
| 17:19.08 | Sargun | I like microsoft a lot more than many other people. |
| 17:19.20 | Sargun | Microsoft has its zune, I love it. |
| 17:19.28 | Sargun | Microsoft peripherals, I love. |
| 17:19.36 | Sargun | If windows was slightly more open, I'd love it. |
| 17:19.44 | Sargun | If the Xbox was open, I'd love it. |
| 17:19.51 | findlay | microsoft is infatuated with the stuff it makes |
| 17:20.12 | Sargun | Who even makes the microsoft peripheral set? |
| 17:20.24 | findlay | and that filters down to the fanboys too |
| 17:24.43 | Sargun | levi, and by the way, I hate sony a lot more than microsoft. |
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| 17:26.46 | raventh1 | Sargun: do tell about why you hate sony |
| 17:27.28 | Sargun | A few reasons, first of all I've had a horrible experience with their support personal, worse than dell. |
| 17:27.46 | raventh1 | ah, i've come to expect that of any support though :( |
| 17:27.49 | Sargun | Their hardware sucks beyond belief. |
| 17:28.24 | Sargun | They lock down, and cripple their phones. |
| 17:28.27 | findlay | heh, sure |
| 17:28.31 | raventh1 | well, their home electronics division seems to sell stuff |
| 17:28.35 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 17:28.38 | findlay | you've never experience sony headphones |
| 17:28.42 | raventh1 | Sargun: everyone cripples phones |
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| 17:28.45 | findlay | or the sony discman |
| 17:28.54 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for great justice |
| 17:28.54 | ibot | eats Jayce^'s liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti for great justice |
| 17:28.55 | Sargun | They make nice TVs/Home theatre |
| 17:29.00 | raventh1 | ok, i'll give the argument those |
| 17:29.01 | findlay | or mini disc player |
| 17:29.04 | Sargun | yeah |
| 17:29.09 | raventh1 | mini-toslink cables |
| 17:29.24 | raventh1 | which most people don't even know exist (radioshack haha) |
| 17:29.55 | findlay | besides sony was the company who developed the compact disc |
| 17:29.57 | Sargun | raventh1, They invented the toslink standard? |
| 17:30.10 | Sargun | and their freaking obsession with crappy DRM. |
| 17:30.18 | raventh1 | well, they at least supported the mini-toslink with some of their optical switches |
| 17:30.21 | Sargun | and shutting down lik-sang. |
| 17:30.43 | raventh1 | I bought one, looking for a 3 optical in switch, and one of the ports was mini-toslink |
| 17:30.50 | raventh1 | so i'm pretty sure they have something to do with it. |
| 17:30.50 | findlay | but you're right, thyey don a lot of stupid stuff to their hardware too |
| 17:30.57 | findlay | s/don/do/ |
| 17:31.05 | raventh1 | although that was a simple newegg fix |
| 17:31.10 | Sargun | They do a lot of neat entertainment things. |
| 17:31.19 | Sargun | but anything that has sony software |
| 17:31.24 | Sargun | is broken usually |
| 17:31.29 | Sargun | They did well on the PS3 |
| 17:31.32 | raventh1 | yeah, that sony connect thing was horrible |
| 17:31.43 | Sargun | kinda expensive though |
| 17:32.05 | raventh1 | I tried it when mcdonalds had free music downloads, and half the time it was broken, I never bought anything off of it because it was so broken |
| 17:32.19 | Sargun | Blu-ray without DRM would be beautiful. |
| 17:32.22 | findlay | sony classical recordings are usually not as good as Deutsche Grammophon, but Deutsche Grammophon is better than everybody :) |
| 17:32.43 | raventh1 | Sargun: I see where you are coming from now, I just deal with more home theater stuff with Sony, and they usually do a decent job in that market |
| 17:33.01 | Sargun | Yeah. That's something they are good at. |
| 17:33.03 | raventh1 | Sargun: what drm ;) |
| 17:33.08 | Sargun | They are beginning to screw that up now too. |
| 17:33.19 | Sargun | By using stupid proprietary interconnects. |
| 17:33.36 | raventh1 | hdmi is open, as is videoport (new pc standard) |
| 17:33.49 | raventh1 | hdcp isn't as open, but you can't really expect it to be |
| 17:33.58 | raventh1 | hdmi is basically just mini dvi anyways |
| 17:33.59 | Sargun | yeah. |
| 17:34.15 | Sargun | But they are using IEEE 1394 raw video but breaking it |
| 17:34.34 | raventh1 | on handheld cams ? |
| 17:35.30 | Sargun | No, on their players, and TVs |
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| 17:35.52 | raventh1 | ok, I haven't used firewire on either |
| 17:36.02 | Sargun | I can't pull my motorola cable box's firewire feed and push it to the TV |
| 17:36.14 | Sargun | without buying some sony $500 device. |
| 17:36.29 | raventh1 | there aren't options on your tv to decode it properly? |
| 17:36.43 | raventh1 | and I'm guessing you have already called Sony? |
| 17:37.17 | dna3e8 | How do you close a ssh tunnel? |
| 17:37.20 | findlay | just use mythtv and you'll have magic |
| 17:39.11 | Sargun | dna3e8, Stop ssh? |
| 17:39.11 | Sargun | like the ssh session which you set the tunnel up in. |
| 17:39.11 | Sargun | kill it. |
| 17:39.11 | dna3e8 | just kill ssh.. |
| 17:39.25 | dna3e8 | can i get pid from netstat? |
| 17:39.40 | Sargun | netstat -p? |
| 17:40.00 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.00 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.01 | Sargun | :-) |
| 17:40.06 | Sargun | man netstat |
| 17:40.14 | dna3e8 | thnaks |
| 17:41.02 | Sargun | No problem. |
| 17:47.13 | Sargun | Lunch! |
| 17:47.16 | Sargun | No dinner? |
| 17:56.57 | dna3e8 | do i need to be concerned abou this eeorreverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for xxx.xx.xx.xxx.dhcp.mstarmetro.net failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 17:58.01 | Sargun | about this error? |
| 17:58.10 | Sargun | Where did you see that error? |
| 17:58.15 | Sargun | SSH I assumE? |
| 17:59.37 | dna3e8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.59 | Sargun | You shouldn't be worried |
| 18:02.35 | Sargun | its normal |
| 18:02.49 | Sargun | just have strong passwords, change SSH port, and disable keyboard-auth |
| 18:03.18 | dna3e8 | kk thanks... now just to figure out why my ssh rsa key suddely stopped working... |
| 18:06.34 | graphyx | are you able to set up keyboard passwords from certain ip or cidrs for ssh? |
| 18:08.05 | Tene | Yes. |
| 18:09.47 | dna3e8 | I had only sent one of the pub keys... (i could ssh one way but not the other) |
| 18:13.26 | dna3e8 | Yeah for synergy ! |
| 18:53.11 | mheath | grr |
| 18:54.37 | mheath | I hate it. I freakin hate it. |
| 18:56.21 | graphyx | I happen to like synergy. |
| 18:57.15 | findlay | I happen to disloke managementspeak |
| 18:57.39 | findlay | s/ok/ik/ |
| 18:58.05 | graphyx | right. |
| 18:58.17 | graphyx | it is very SpINFULL. |
| 18:59.19 | mheath | So, today I sat and waited more |
| 18:59.20 | mheath | Why? |
| 19:00.20 | mheath | Because everyone who can do anything for me left early for a luncheon for someone who's leaving. |
| 19:00.20 | ^Migs^ | you sure do whine a lot |
| 19:00.30 | ^Migs^ | you're going to have to do much better to catch up to my whining records |
| 19:01.07 | ^Migs^ | "records" was an odd choice of word |
| 19:01.19 | graphyx | yet accurate. |
| 19:01.35 | ^Migs^ | chillingly so |
| 19:01.53 | mheath | ^Migs^: ....It's driving me crazy to be here |
| 19:02.02 | ^Migs^ | not having anything to do? |
| 19:02.09 | mheath | The only thing that was keeping me happy, and keeping me in a decent mood was taht I had a good friend going through the same thing as me |
| 19:02.18 | ^Migs^ | misery loves company? |
| 19:02.22 | mheath | Guess waht? They effectively set it up now so I'll never see him again |
| 19:02.33 | mheath | Don't have his number, and they delayed me for no reason |
| 19:02.44 | ^Migs^ | why didn't you get his number before? |
| 19:03.02 | mheath | ^Migs^: Didn't have a reason to. I can see outside my door to his old room, and my cellphone is busted anyway. |
| 19:03.19 | mheath | Considering that we'd been doing everything in this process on the exact same schedule |
| 19:03.27 | mheath | and considering that the doctors each told us the exact same thing |
| 19:03.36 | mheath | I didn't anticipate being stuck here for no reason for days longer than him |
| 19:03.44 | mheath | He's over at the outprocessing holding unit |
| 19:03.47 | mheath | I'm still here |
| 19:03.51 | mheath | And they just tell me they're 'waiting on medical' |
| 19:03.57 | mheath | though no one has any idea what they're really waiting on |
| 19:04.27 | mheath | IE, the thing is, medical apparently never faxed over / transfered the info they were supposed to saying that I'm to be discharged |
| 19:04.37 | ^Migs^ | the Navy sure is sloppy |
| 19:04.45 | mheath | so the command has no official notification that I'm to be discharged yet |
| 19:04.57 | mheath | And the thing is, the only people who have power to fix any of this are extremely lazy |
| 19:05.13 | ^Migs^ | I usually find myself in that position, too |
| 19:05.26 | Jayce^ | ~quote UNTD |
| 19:05.34 | mheath | And I KNOW that its just some stupid person somewhere who forgot to fax something, or faxed the wrong thing, or overlooked something |
| 19:05.38 | ^Migs^ | EVERYBODY wants me to fix something, but I'd rather just read bash.org or visit my rounds of sites |
| 19:06.03 | mheath | Because my friend went to the same doctors on the same date, had almost identical paperwork/medical recommendations....came back with me on the same day....And he's gone, and I'm not |
| 19:06.07 | ^Migs^ | people just need to learn to calm down, as far as I'm concerned. I'll get to it whenever I get to it. |
| 19:06.19 | mheath | ^Migs^: I'm going crazy here. It's really bugging me |
| 19:06.29 | mheath | I just want to move on. Get the hell out of here. |
| 19:06.36 | ^Migs^ | you're probably the only one it's bugging |
| 19:06.46 | ^Migs^ | take this time to indulge in your favorite hobby |
| 19:06.56 | ^Migs^ | or play a PC game |
| 19:07.17 | mheath | You'd think that when I'd had trouble with attempted suicide, and massive depression, and the psychologist specifically said it would be detrimental to my health and could cause me a relapse in suicidal ideations to keep me around longer than necessary, they'd stop wasting my damn time. |
| 19:07.23 | ^Migs^ | I only wish I had the free time to do that more often |
| 19:07.31 | mheath | (pardon my language) |
| 19:07.44 | ^Migs^ | were you suicidal and massively depressed before you went into the military? |
| 19:07.49 | mheath | No. |
| 19:07.55 | ^Migs^ | so the military caused it? |
| 19:08.01 | mheath | Yep, more or less. |
| 19:08.09 | mheath | No, can't sue it |
| 19:08.12 | ^Migs^ | haha, I know |
| 19:08.14 | mheath | I should get some kind of med benefits |
| 19:08.20 | mheath | But no, I'm getting nothing |
| 19:08.39 | mheath | I was already half forced into signing a medical document that basically says I acknowledge I have no medical problems warranting dissability, etc. etc. |
| 19:08.54 | findlay | I like how gnome apps like to move the 'ok' 'cancel' and 'forget it buster' buttons around all the time |
| 19:10.23 | mheath | Seriously |
| 19:10.35 | mheath | Everything they tell me here just makes me feel worse and worsse, and more depressed |
| 19:10.50 | mheath | And maybe I am crazy, but its REALLY getting to me that I'm still stuck here for no reason |
| 19:10.52 | findlay | and worsssee |
| 19:11.17 | mheath | I'm surrounded constantly by people who treat me like crap, or think of me like a piece of cra |
| 19:11.24 | mheath | All I want to do is get the hell out of here |
| 19:11.37 | mheath | and I can't even do that, even though I should have already been on the process of doing it. |
| 19:23.53 | maquis | mheath: nethack |
| 19:23.59 | maquis | it'll make you feel better |
| 19:24.41 | findlay | ~hack maquis |
| 19:24.49 | ibot | ACTION teaches maquis nethack so that maquis will play until 6 AM |
| 19:24.49 | findlay | ~hack mheath |
| 19:24.51 | ibot | ACTION teaches mheath nethack so that mheath will play until 6 AM |
| 19:29.08 | levi | I want one of these: http://www.contemporaryheaven.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?ref=325&m=2&mi=42 |
| 19:30.18 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 19:30.41 | levi | It's a clock. |
| 19:30.47 | lukfugl | so it's the ring that rotates, right? |
| 19:31.03 | lukfugl | or does the gear assembly move? |
| 19:31.09 | findlay | heh. Clocks and metersticks |
| 19:31.10 | findlay | trivial |
| 19:32.33 | levi | It looks like the ring rotates. |
| 19:34.06 | findlay | geometrodynamics and pseudo Riemannian geometry are way more cool |
| 19:34.46 | lukfugl | geometrodynamics: the study of the social dynamics manifested in large subterranean populations |
| 19:34.58 | lukfugl | see: G.U.E. |
| 19:35.04 | findlay | heh |
| 19:38.29 | elg | that's pretty cool but at £75.00 I might expect it to be mostly metal, not mostly plastic |
| 19:42.09 | levi | I'm not too concerned about the materials; it hangs on a wall, and plastic can look pretty much the same as metal from a distance. |
| 19:42.50 | Sargun | http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Bugatti_Principal_or_the_reality_real_world_systems_management ooh, interesting. |
| 19:43.18 | elg | i'm not concerned about the materials, only about the money |
| 19:45.05 | rsimpkins | I've posted details of the PLUG Summer Party to the PLUG list. |
| 19:45.47 | ^Migs^ | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Classics-Week-Most-Helpful-FAQ-Ever-.aspx |
| 19:45.58 | levi | Yeah, I don't like spending that much on a decorative piece, but it's a low-volume item with lots of intricate tooling, so I'm not surprised by it. |
| 19:47.58 | levi | If money were not an object, and if it were in stock, I would certainly buy one. :) |
| 19:48.35 | levi | I would probably have to hang it on my cube wall at work, because it wouldn't really go anywhere in the condo. |
| 19:50.03 | ^Migs^ | http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/thompsons-on-the-move-toward-a-run/ |
| 19:50.04 | brac | [Thompsons On the Move Toward a Run - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog] |
| 19:51.01 | levi | Hey, wow, a forwarded message about a dangerous product recall was actually not a hoax. |
| 19:51.40 | ^Migs^ | dude, I'd vote for him |
| 19:51.45 | ^Migs^ | definitely over Romney or Guiliani |
| 19:52.02 | QBFreak | levi: is that possible? |
| 19:53.26 | findlay | so, it's just a PLUG 'party' now is it? |
| 19:53.40 | rsimpkins | findlay: What do you want it to be? |
| 19:54.04 | findlay | a celebration of my amazing awesomeness |
| 19:54.08 | rsimpkins | findlay: okay. |
| 19:54.29 | rsimpkins | findlay: If you buy soda for everyone, we'll tell them the soda is a celebration of findlay's amazing awesomeoness. |
| 19:54.33 | levi | findlay: You're starting to sound like ^Migs^. Stop it. |
| 19:54.37 | sjansen | findlay: That's the $250 sponsorship level. Will you step up? |
| 19:54.59 | rsimpkins | I swear, I could chew through $600 to put on a deal this size. |
| 19:55.07 | ^Migs^ | no it's okay, findlay can be awesome too. He probably got some of it by basking in my awesomeness, though. |
| 19:56.45 | findlay | sjansen: my vanity knows no price |
| 19:57.23 | sjansen | findlay: For $5000 dollars I will declare you the greatest living person on #utah. We got a deal? |
| 19:57.43 | levi | That would seriously put a cramp in his classical music budget. |
| 19:57.52 | findlay | no kidding |
| 19:58.13 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.13 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.13 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.15 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 19:58.24 | ^Migs^ | Romney's the man |
| 19:58.24 | ^Migs^ | http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/mitt-romney/ |
| 19:58.26 | brac | [Mitt Romney - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog] |
| 19:58.40 | rsimpkins | findlay: okay, on the 16th we shall not refer to the beverages you bring as 'soda' but shall call them 'liquid containing the essence of findlay's awesomeness, in which you will find uncommon refreshment.' |
| 19:59.35 | elg | s/un// |
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| 20:00.29 | ^Migs^ | or Liquesse for short |
| 20:00.50 | levi | localstatic, eh? A C programmer? |
| 20:02.05 | findlay | levi: or in opposition to CRB |
| 20:02.12 | findlay | s/R/M/ |
| 20:02.28 | localstatic | Used to dabble in C, but it's mostly just random words stuck together. |
| 20:03.32 | levi | Good. C's bad for you, and 'localstatic' would be somewhat redundant in a C context anyway. |
| 20:03.40 | localstatic | indeed |
| 20:04.21 | elg | not to mention a syntax error |
| 20:05.22 | findlay | or it could be though of as opposite to static from the cosmic microwave background |
| 20:06.30 | localstatic | Funny that you mention that, because it's one of the things I thought of too. I guess that's why I ended up picking it - it can mean lots of different things. |
| 20:06.56 | findlay | a nick of many colors |
| 20:07.02 | levi | Well, clearly it isn't literally C syntax. But where else would you get a demented idea like using 'static' to denote file-local variable/function scope? |
| 20:09.02 | levi | I guess 'local static' would differentiate the persistent heap-allocated local variables from the file-local variables and functions when talking about the static keyword. |
| 20:11.34 | mheath | Hmm, nothing is better than sitting back and eating some ice cream on a hot, humid day like today |
| 20:11.36 | levi | What a mess. I hate C. |
| 20:11.52 | levi | mheath: I'm glad you found something to be happy about! |
| 20:11.58 | localstatic | Really? I wouldn't have gotten that impression ;) |
| 20:12.44 | lukfugl | s/a "/an " |
| 20:17.44 | mheath | levi: I'm happy about lots of things. |
| 20:17.47 | levi | mheath: That's good. |
| 20:17.53 | mheath | Its just being forced to remain longer tha necessary in a situation that makes me very unhappy that I dislike so much |
| 20:18.10 | mheath | This is really a situation where it would take maybe 30 minutes of ernest effort to clear this up |
| 20:18.21 | mheath | But because people are lazy, its been dragged out to three days. |
| 20:23.18 | dna3e8 | THAT SUCKS |
| 20:25.18 | findlay | YEAH |
| 20:26.21 | lukfugl | ICE CREAM |
| 20:26.27 | lukfugl | oh, mmm, ice cream |
| 20:26.49 | ^Migs^ | ice cream sucks? |
| 20:27.01 | lukfugl | no, ice cream makes the sucking stop |
| 20:27.03 | findlay | PROBABLY |
| 20:27.12 | lukfugl | ~speedo findlay |
| 20:27.27 | ibot | ACTION stuffs findlay into a harleypig-sized speedo and sends it hurtling down the slip 'n slide. |
| 20:27.28 | ^Migs^ | I don't think ice cream has any effect one way or another on any form of sucking |
| 20:27.28 | dna3e8 | it tast good and must be moderated |
| 20:28.11 | dna3e8 | It has a special property that allows us to cob with stuff... |
| 20:29.41 | ^Migs^ | HAHAH http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/union-cat-is-on-a-break.jpg |
| 20:29.44 | mheath | ^Migs^: You invited a Linux related joke with that comment |
| 20:30.03 | mheath | But I'm not sure its appropriate for this channel....tis kinda PG-13 |
| 20:30.16 | dna3e8 | <seesk ice cream> |
| 20:30.36 | ^Migs^ | PG-13 isn't appropriate? |
| 20:30.53 | mheath | Read it on a slashdot comment :P |
| 20:31.12 | ^Migs^ | I'm just talking about various forms of sucking, e.g., lollipop sucking, popsicle sucking, vacuum sucking. I don't know what you're thinking about. |
| 20:31.46 | mheath | ^Migs^: This is about automotive thinks and a penguin eating ice cream in a rather sloppy manner. What are YOU talking about? |
| 20:32.21 | lukfugl | automotive thinks... |
| 20:32.44 | ^Migs^ | I like penguins |
| 20:32.50 | lukfugl | union-cat just got slashdotted/diggified, methinks |
| 20:32.54 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why everyone else hates penguins, but I like 'em |
| 20:33.34 | dna3e8 | Cuz/ there fett is happy :) |
| 20:33.41 | dna3e8 | *feet |
| 20:45.33 | raventh1 | boba fett |
| 20:53.03 | mheath | You know, I was wrong |
| 20:53.08 | mheath | You know whats better than ice cream? |
| 20:53.10 | mheath | Beef Ravioli. |
| 20:58.37 | localstatic | Are you eating beef ravioli now? |
| 20:59.07 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 20:59.13 | ^Migs^ | the school district has a new programmer job open |
| 20:59.30 | ^Migs^ | http://www.weber.k12.ut.us/index.php?module=joblist&func=display&job_id=1565 |
| 21:00.56 | ^Migs^ | it's a lane 6 position, so starting salary would be around $50,000 |
| 21:01.11 | ^Migs^ | although that's going up 8% in July, so I don't know for sure |
| 21:02.30 | localstatic | I take it you work there? |
| 21:03.24 | dna3e8 | So itunes offers DRM free music now... |
| 21:03.56 | ^Migs^ | uh yeah. You must be new here. |
| 21:04.11 | localstatic | Yeah, sorry to show my newbie-ness |
| 21:04.47 | mheath | http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4217348.html |
| 21:04.48 | levi | That's okay. Don't mind ^Migs^'s inflated sense of self-importance. |
| 21:04.53 | mheath | Thats pretty _COOL_ |
| 21:05.18 | ^Migs^ | I just assume everyone knows the basic characteristics about me, since I'm so awesome and all, word must naturally get around |
| 21:05.59 | lukfugl | wait, is ^Migs^ saying stuff again? |
| 21:06.17 | dna3e8 | lol |
| 21:06.44 | mheath | I don't care what you say about MS, thats prettty cool |
| 21:06.55 | mheath | I know that Sony (I think) also had a kinda similar idea |
| 21:07.00 | mheath | with these intelligent tile like things |
| 21:07.16 | ^Migs^ | I'm surprised you didn't automatically sense it 10 seconds before you came in here |
| 21:07.23 | mheath | Tiles that had programs on them, you touch various tiles together and they can interact intelligently with each other |
| 21:07.23 | localstatic | Me too |
| 21:07.28 | mheath | I love the future of computing :) |
| 21:07.36 | mheath | I think interaction is where its at |
| 21:07.42 | ^Migs^ | like a feeling of "wow, I'm about to bask in someone's extreme awesomeness" |
| 21:07.47 | mheath | Because sometime soon, computer companies will pull there heads out of there butts |
| 21:07.58 | mheath | And things will start to interoperate like they should have been able to for years |
| 21:08.11 | mheath | And developments in interaction will be the future :) |
| 21:09.03 | localstatic | mheath: Yeah, I've been wanting this kind of stuff for a long time. |
| 21:09.16 | ^Migs^ | haha, in that video they're using Google Maps |
| 21:09.19 | ^Migs^ | with the Google logo in plain view |
| 21:09.51 | mheath | I like it |
| 21:09.56 | localstatic | We should all have our own personal PDA-sized computers with ubiquitous input/output devices that can be connected. It looks like that table does that to some degree |
| 21:10.05 | mheath | Because software has maintained relatively un-innovative for a good 15-20 years |
| 21:10.15 | mheath | Minor improvements, etc. |
| 21:10.46 | mheath | I think over the next 20 years, though, we'll start seeing some cool new concepts that will fundamentally change the way people think of computer systems, and interact with them. |
| 21:11.29 | Supaplex | let's invent the double click! |
| 21:11.47 | findlay | I invent the half-click! |
| 21:12.19 | findlay | or rodents that make popping sounds rather than clicking |
| 21:12.25 | mheath | I'm hoping the products I want to develop can be successful at offering some cool new alternatives on how people interact with their computers |
| 21:12.34 | mheath | Like the wireless terminals I'm working on |
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| 21:12.53 | mheath | Buy one Linux computer system |
| 21:13.02 | mheath | Relatively cheap |
| 21:13.15 | mheath | It does everything from console gaming, to PVR, to desktop computer, to playing LInux and Windows computer games |
| 21:13.22 | mheath | Home management |
| 21:13.28 | mheath | management/automation* |
| 21:13.56 | mheath | Interface with it from anywhere in your house using the lightweight and inexpensive handheld touchscreen terminals |
| 21:15.02 | findlay | but it needs tubes |
| 21:15.56 | mheath | Do you like my idea? Do you see it as something people would be willing to invest their money in? |
| 21:16.20 | localstatic | I like it |
| 21:16.45 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/6702869.stm |
| 21:16.47 | brac | [BBC NEWS | England | Cornwall | Apology after woman's train crawl] |
| 21:16.56 | ^Migs^ | A train operator has apologised after a Cornwall woman's wheelchair could not fit through compartment doors, forcing her to crawl to her seat. |
| 21:16.57 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 21:17.19 | ^Migs^ | what really gets me is this: She said: "It was a full train. Everybody wanted to help and nobody could. |
| 21:17.19 | ^Migs^ | "They were so embarrassed that they couldn't look at me." |
| 21:17.39 | ^Migs^ | Brits are such snobs. Around here the woman would practically be mauled because everyone would want to help her. |
| 21:18.09 | localstatic | Yeah, why couldn't they help? Seems like a cop-out. |
| 21:18.34 | ^Migs^ | no kidding. There was obviously enough space for her to crawl through. Someone could have easily helped her get through on her feet. |
| 21:18.42 | elg | the only reason someone closer to the door would not have given up a seat would have to be that you can't switch seats because of some silly rule |
| 21:19.22 | mheath | Thats kinda messed up....You'd think thered be some kind of option other than crawling. |
| 21:21.02 | mheath | Heh, one bad thing about that video |
| 21:21.08 | ^Migs^ | if *I* saw a woman on the floor crawling, MY first instinct would be to rush over to her, help her, and let her have my seat. NOT turn my head away in embarassment. |
| 21:21.08 | mheath | they try to say the keyboard is going away |
| 21:21.21 | mheath | I can think of a lot of cool innovative ways to interact with a computer |
| 21:21.21 | ^Migs^ | that's pretty stupid |
| 21:21.35 | ^Migs^ | I guess it is possible. You just have a keyboard appear on the touch screen |
| 21:21.36 | mheath | But I have yet to see anything (or think of anything) that can come close to replacing the keyboard for most things |
| 21:21.43 | mheath | ^Migs^: Thats still a keyboard. |
| 21:21.47 | ^Migs^ | they'll just take physical keyboards and turn them into virtual ones |
| 21:21.51 | ^Migs^ | that's what they meant |
| 21:22.01 | ^Migs^ | no, it's an application designed to look like a keyboard |
| 21:22.07 | ^Migs^ | PDAs already do that |
| 21:22.29 | mheath | The second best option to keyboard text entry....hmm |
| 21:22.37 | mheath | Thats a tie between handwriting, and voice :P |
| 21:22.46 | elg | finger input is by far the most efficient until direct brain interfaces come along |
| 21:23.13 | findlay | or swahili |
| 21:23.21 | ^Migs^ | voice could potentially be the best, for a fast enough speaker and good enough voice recognition software |
| 21:23.25 | elg | (nearly) parallel finger input, that is. touch typing counts, handwriting (though it uses your fingers) does not |
| 21:23.27 | ^Migs^ | yeah, swahili is good too |
| 21:23.32 | elg | not even close |
| 21:23.35 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why more people don't just use swahili |
| 21:23.45 | mheath | ^Migs^: I don't know about you, but if I know what I'm typing, I type faster than I can talk. |
| 21:23.48 | findlay | yeah, it's so mechanical already |
| 21:23.57 | ^Migs^ | I type faster than I can talk,t oo |
| 21:23.59 | elg | voice is slow |
| 21:24.00 | ^Migs^ | that's why I said POTENTIALLY |
| 21:24.43 | elg | potentially, for a population too dumb to learn to touch type? |
| 21:24.43 | findlay | instead of dial type |
| 21:24.53 | mheath | Heh |
| 21:25.01 | mheath | I like the idea of consolidated computer systems |
| 21:25.27 | mheath | Why not pay slightly more for a higher end computer system that can replicate the features of all your lower end systems, and share its resources throughout your home? |
| 21:26.14 | elg | because when it breaks then EVERYTHING is broked |
| 21:26.19 | localstatic | or even a cluster of lower-end systems & share the cluster's resources |
| 21:26.31 | elg | and said systems tend to be more complex (fun for geeks but bad for mortals) |
| 21:26.43 | findlay | why bother. Microsoft will serve all my computer needs over the intertubes |
| 21:27.19 | localstatic | Yeah. We all know how benevolent Microsoft is. I know I would trust them with all my data & computing service needs... |
| 21:27.39 | findlay | and then they will make PC's illegal so everybody gets to use teh microsofts |
| 21:27.58 | mheath | elg: Linux based and designed with availability as a priority :) |
| 21:28.13 | lukfugl | technically, that day is here, but financially it's not |
| 21:28.20 | lukfugl | for me, anyways |
| 21:29.01 | findlay | lukfugl: why settle for dumb terminals. You should have talking terminals! |
| 21:29.31 | elg | mheath: your PSU doesn't care that it's linux based and designed with availability as a priority |
| 21:29.35 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.50 | findlay | heh |
| 21:30.20 | mheath | elg: I plan to offer excellent warranties and repairs, and use quality components. |
| 21:30.23 | lukfugl | I really need to apt-get upgrade more frequently -- downloading half a gig of updates is taking a while... |
| 21:30.50 | lukfugl | at least I'm not running gentoo -- then I'd have to compile them after downloading them :P |
| 21:31.03 | mheath | elg: You're not talking about anything vital here. This is all entertainment functionality. |
| 21:32.33 | elg | sometimes, entertainment is vital ;-) |
| 21:32.45 | elg | at least, it's very frustrating when it doesn't work |
| 21:39.09 | Jayce^ | mheath, explain non-vital to a wife who's nursing at 3am, and really wants her shows on to stay awake.. |
| 21:40.08 | Jayce^ | she *will* get you up, and you *will* fix it for her.. |
| 21:40.26 | findlay | you get TV reception way out there in the boonies, Jayce^? |
| 21:40.47 | Supaplex | mexican radioooo oooohoeooo |
| 21:40.53 | mheath | Jayce^: I have some ideas for the future on failsafe (or, relatively, at least, as 'failsafe' doesn't mean much whn it comes to computing) systems |
| 21:41.29 | dna3e8 | Hows does myth TV compare to EyeTV? |
| 21:41.41 | mheath | Not something I can pursue ATM because that requires a lot of unique engineering. The concepts I'm working on ATM is just some good software and standard (but well chosen) computer hardware |
| 21:43.18 | mheath | Take localstatics comment about "or even a cluster of lower-end systems & share the cluster's resources" |
| 21:43.18 | mheath | One physical unit\ |
| 21:43.18 | mheath | But in it, several independent computer systems with some shared resources |
| 21:43.19 | mheath | Your PVR/TV/DVD Player is one unit |
| 21:43.19 | mheath | Your gaming system is another unit |
| 21:43.19 | mheath | etc. |
| 21:43.19 | findlay | how many health units do you start with? |
| 21:43.33 | mheath | I'd also like to pursue the idea of some limited functionality being hardcoded in the hardware, and not requiring computer operation or software |
| 21:43.40 | mheath | Like DVD playback via hardware decoding |
| 21:44.32 | mheath | I'm starting with some innovative ideas in home computing, but if this is successful I'd like to slowly work on revisions that will turn this into much more than a standard desktop computer - turn it into the ultimate home entertainment and productivity _appliance_ |
| 21:45.08 | mheath | You could also play with the idea of modular upgrading, too |
| 21:45.20 | mheath | Time to upgrade your gaming subsystem, but that doesn't mean you have to upgrade the whole system |
| 21:46.00 | localstatic | Have you found anything like the touchscreen interfaces you mentioned earlier, or is that one of the parts that need "unique engineering"? |
| 21:46.12 | localstatic | That's the more interesting part to me |
| 21:46.44 | mheath | unique engineering. I'm talking about a startup business ATM with very limited resources |
| 21:47.02 | mheath | I am finding the best and most comfortable ways to interact with your computer in non-conventional ways, though |
| 21:47.20 | mheath | localstatic: Oh! Those touchscreen interfaces, the handheld terminal |
| 21:47.31 | mheath | Thats something I do hope to roll out early on :) |
| 21:47.37 | localstatic | Good. |
| 21:47.43 | bonez39 | Are metatags used much any more, when creating a web page, to get it 'noticed' by google and other indexing/search engines? |
| 21:47.53 | mheath | bonez39: No. |
| 21:47.55 | dna3e8 | What tuner card is recommended for myth TV |
| 21:48.04 | mheath | I think it was pretty much google that did away with the relevance of those. |
| 21:48.24 | findlay | what's a metatag? |
| 21:48.25 | mheath | Because google looks at, you know, data that actually matters rather than wahtever spam and BS some page designer puts in their meta tags |
| 21:48.41 | mheath | findlay: You know, those little keyword, description, etc bits of meta data you used to always put in HTML pages |
| 21:48.47 | findlay | no |
| 21:48.51 | mheath | Used to be some search engines indexed based off of those |
| 21:48.53 | findlay | I've been sheltered from that |
| 21:49.20 | bonez39 | mheath, so instead of metatags...that's text not displayed, right? does the text just have to be incorporated actually into the text content on the page? |
| 21:49.42 | mheath | bonez39: That depends entirely on the search engines algorithm |
| 21:50.00 | mheath | I think if you have the long description metadata, google sometimes uses that (but in a way that annoys me) |
| 21:50.05 | bonez39 | ah..and those algorithms are a dark trade....very secretive...right? |
| 21:50.20 | mheath | Yeah |
| 21:50.29 | mheath | If you look at googles site, though, I'm sure they have some tips on indexing and etc. |
| 21:50.42 | bonez39 | ok.....so if I have alist of words..I want indexed..I have to somehow fit them into the text on my page.... |
| 21:51.34 | localstatic | dna3e8: I have a Hauppage WinTV (I think that was the full name of it), but am thinking of getting a Hauppauge PVR-150 to replace it |
| 21:51.50 | mheath | bonez39: Don't do that. |
| 21:51.56 | localstatic | The WinTV works well |
| 21:51.59 | mheath | Modern search engines are good |
| 21:52.07 | mheath | They index based off actual page content |
| 21:52.19 | mheath | Which is generally good in helping people find what they actually want rather than random BS |
| 21:52.40 | bonez39 | mheath, oh, how then do I get the page indexed according to the terms I want it indexed by? |
| 21:52.43 | mheath | Trying to manipulate search results to return your page when the user isn't necessarily looking for that information is bad and generally considered a rather evil thing to do |
| 21:52.59 | mheath | bonez39: The page should be indexed by whats on the page, and search engines do that! |
| 21:53.00 | localstatic | If you try to game the search engines, they might punish you for it too |
| 21:53.22 | localstatic | by removing it from their index completely, or something |
| 21:53.34 | bonez39 | mheath, right..like putting porn terms...or such....certainly, the goal with the site in question is not to have horny boys and men come to the site...we want serious visitors to visit it..and to purchase products.. |
| 21:54.02 | bonez39 | localstatic, aint trying to 'game' the search engines..... |
| 21:54.07 | elg | i don't think meta tags count annoy search engines |
| 21:54.17 | elg | and while they're not as important as they used to be, can they really hurt? |
| 21:54.18 | mheath | From Googles "Things to Avoid": |
| 21:54.58 | mheath | "Don't fill your page with lists of keywords, attempt to 'cloak' pages, or put up 'crawler only' pages. If your site contains pages, links, or text that you don't intend visitors to see, Google considers those links and pages deceptive and may ignore your site." |
| 21:55.07 | mheath | elg: I know they don't |
| 21:55.13 | mheath | But we told them they're not important |
| 21:55.22 | mheath | And now it sounds like he wants to stuff keywords into his page somehow or something |
| 21:55.38 | mheath | Or otherwise make his page rank better by artifical means |
| 21:56.00 | bonez39 | not wanting to stuff it..just want it to get indexed and found....by those who are seeking the products on the site.... |
| 21:56.55 | levi | bonez39: Google isn't like a human-edited index; you don't just pick words that you want your site to be listed under unless you buy keyword ads. |
| 21:57.12 | bonez39 | mheath, are you suggesting that companies do not attempt to find a way to climb higher on the ranking list? by figuring out how the algorithms work? that'd be like telling people...do not find loopholes, do not take every valid deduction when doing taxes....just do the safest and most obvious stuff...don't get edgy.... |
| 21:57.22 | mheath | bonez39: Of course they do |
| 21:57.45 | levi | bonez39: It reads all the words in your page's text and all of them have the potential to give your page in the search results. |
| 21:57.49 | mheath | bonez39: Those companies often forget that perhaps googles algorithms have a second part that helps detect people that are subverting the algorithm. |
| 21:57.51 | bonez39 | well, that's all I am trying to do., to legitimately find ways to get our site ranked higher... |
| 21:58.09 | mheath | You see that text I linked to about cloaked pages? |
| 21:58.14 | bonez39 | mheath, again, not trying to subvert the algorithms... |
| 21:58.47 | mheath | bonez39: the most important factor on page ranking is, as google says, the actual page content, and secondarily, how many high quality sites link to your page. |
| 21:58.47 | bonez39 | mheath, no, I didn't see the links to cloaking info |
| 21:58.57 | bonez39 | ok...fair enough |
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| 21:59.10 | mheath | bonez39: Cloaking is a bad thing. Its an example of peoples attempts to subvert their algorithms |
| 21:59.16 | levi | Regular updates to your site's content can make it more relevant to google, too. |
| 21:59.27 | bonez39 | but then, is it 'wrong' or subversive to make friends with those whose sites you want to link to yours...just to have them link, just to elevate your ranking level? |
| 21:59.33 | mheath | Refers to pages that are stuffed with keywords and text that isn't visible or intended for live viewers |
| 21:59.51 | mheath | bonez39: Legally wrong? No. Morally wrong? Hard to say. |
| 22:00.00 | mheath | The point of a search engine is to find what you want quickly and easily |
| 22:00.25 | mheath | When you do something that tries to alter search engine results, you make it more difficult for people to find what they want. |
| 22:00.47 | bonez39 | mheath, what about those wymen...who put on the dog and make up..and paint a visual picture of who they think we want them to be? do you prefer women you date or marry to just be plain, unadorned....and clearly not subverting your senses? |
| 22:01.19 | bonez39 | sheesh...just asking for legit tips on ranking a site higher....and you have provided that...sorry that i have hit a nerve with you, abouit crossing the line..and being subversive..... |
| 22:01.44 | mheath | You can't compare women to google |
| 22:01.50 | mheath | Compare it to something like a library |
| 22:01.57 | mheath | Thats rather like if a library became commercialized |
| 22:02.03 | bonez39 | mheath, you have helped me understand..and for this I am thankful..just that I now know that subversive tricks...are taboo, and not to be discussed around you |
| 22:02.18 | mheath | Rather than nice indexing and easily finding the book or catalog you want, certain books are forced upon you for no reason whatsoever |
| 22:02.24 | mheath | And perfectly good books are hard to find |
| 22:02.49 | bonez39 | well, a good book would be indexed thoroughly, and also would contain a very complete index itself..... |
| 22:02.55 | elg | sounds like my library alright. even more, it sounds like bookstores, which are more comparable to google than a library |
| 22:03.57 | mheath | elg: Regretabbly true. My point in that regard is that subversive indexing behavior helps move google farther from library-like and more to bookstore-like |
| 22:04.23 | mheath | lmao, "subversive indexing behavior"....wow. I come up with some needlessly complicated phrases. |
| 22:07.37 | elg | it's not complicated. google wants to give us unbiased searching based on content, because that's what we want. businesses want us to find them, so they do everything they can to make that unbiased. human (and business by extension) nature. if google gets us our content-based unbiased results it's kudos for google and don't imagine for one minute it's because people and businesses played by the nice-guy rules |
| 22:07.57 | elg | and assuming that's working, then the best way (as you said) to get a high ranking is to have good and relevant content |
| 22:08.54 | mheath | Yep |
| 22:09.18 | elg | so figuring that out is subverting the index behavior too |
| 22:10.13 | elg | fact is, if you can figure out how to give google what it wants your rankings will be higher. the key is that hopefully giving google what it wants is the same as giving us what we wants (if google is doing a good job) |
| 22:10.30 | tensai | elg: you make my head hurt |
| 22:10.32 | mheath | Subversion is always relevant |
| 22:10.43 | mheath | Subversion == trying to do thigns in a way they don't want you to do it |
| 22:10.56 | mheath | (Subversion also equals good version control) |
| 22:11.14 | mheath | We can assume that google wants you to not bias their results, and to just have content on your page. |
| 22:12.58 | mheath | Hmm, I have a copyright question |
| 22:13.14 | mheath | Say you're planning on using a manufacturers resellable product in your own product |
| 22:13.24 | mheath | The manufacturer makes an image of said product available on their website |
| 22:13.38 | mheath | Do you have to get their permission before reproducing this image? |
| 22:13.48 | tensai | yes |
| 22:14.06 | mheath | Thats kind of silly |
| 22:14.22 | findlay | the world is legalsilly |
| 22:14.37 | tensai | it's completely unrelated to whether you're using their product |
| 22:15.04 | tensai | or maybe squeeze the "ega" in "silly" to make silegaly |
| 22:15.34 | findlay | but that's less newspeakesque |
| 22:18.20 | Newsome | http://www.snopes.com/business/money/cocaine.asp |
| 22:18.24 | brac | [Urban Legends Reference Pages: Cocaine on Money] |
| 22:19.04 | Newsome | oh shut up, brac |
| 22:19.48 | findlay | Newsome: I'm going to the hearing tomorrow |
| 22:19.55 | Newsome | cool |
| 22:20.07 | mheath | Hmm, thats annoying |
| 22:20.09 | Newsome | it sounds very interesting |
| 22:20.16 | mheath | Advertisers now use cookies to remember preferences |
| 22:20.21 | findlay | hope I can keep up with only a few minutes to spare reading up on the docs |
| 22:20.34 | mheath | For example, I search on Orbitz.com for a flight from SLC to Jacksonville |
| 22:20.51 | mheath | Now Orbitz.com graphic ads offer "Find flights from SALT LAKE CITY to JACKSONVILLE!" |
| 22:21.32 | bonez39 | mheath, it would be most wise to obtain permission, before using their images |
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| 22:22.18 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 22:22.18 | bonez39 | findlay, who's having a hearing? |
| 22:22.20 | bonez39 | can I ask? |
| 22:23.52 | findlay | bonez39: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070529221530511 |
| 22:25.30 | mheath | "The world's first consolidated entertainmment and productivity appliance. Intrepid functionality, revolutionary design." :) |
| 22:29.04 | localstatic | Ooooh. Intrepid... |
| 22:29.35 | findlay | heh |
| 22:30.23 | mheath | I like that word :) |
| 22:30.28 | mheath | findlay: funny? :P |
| 22:31.43 | findlay | amusing |
| 22:31.55 | mheath | How so. |
| 22:32.01 | mheath | s/./?/g |
| 22:33.25 | findlay | I'm no entrepreneur, therefore I'm interested in making things sell. I make for the joy of making or for the necessity of purpose |
| 22:33.37 | findlay | s/sell/ to sell |
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| 22:48.20 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 23:14.14 | mheath | findlay: Still have to admit I right good copy, thought :P |
| 23:24.42 | findlay | mheath: parse error |
| 23:25.00 | mheath | Heh. |
| 23:27.45 | findlay | does anybody know of a good howto for cenots+xen? |
| 23:28.04 | rsimpkins | anyone here know Kevin Parker? |
| 23:35.24 | bonez39 | hearing reschedule..continued to 6/4... |
| 23:35.58 | bonez39 | findlay, if I can arrange my schedule..I might go up to the hearing and see the show up close and personal... |
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| 23:38.13 | maquis | ~lart TimRiker |
| 23:38.13 | ibot | stabs TimRiker |
| 23:38.49 | mheath | ~lart maquis |
| 23:38.50 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up maquis |
| 23:38.55 | mheath | Long time no see, maquis, how are you? |
| 23:39.21 | maquis | mheath: still alive |
| 23:39.33 | mheath | meh, fair enough. Same here, more or less |
| 23:39.46 | mheath | Despite attempts at the opposite |
| 23:40.42 | maquis | lol |
| 23:41.01 | maquis | good to hear you're still doing ok and alive |
| 23:41.18 | mheath | Getting discharged again unfortunately. |
| 23:41.24 | maquis | i'm sorry to hear that |
| 23:42.28 | maquis | heading off to start school soon, then? |
| 23:42.35 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: MEPS cancelled tomorrow, they want more doctor stuff :( |
| 23:42.54 | Lone_Wanderer | They write so indiscriminately. |
| 23:43.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Without thinking that the words they use may keep me out of the military. |
| 23:43.19 | mheath | Dude |
| 23:43.22 | mheath | ANYTHING can be waived |
| 23:43.34 | Lone_Wanderer | How? |
| 23:44.10 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: As long as you have a doctor willing to sign off on you saying that now, at this moment, you are 100% good to go, anything else can be waived |
| 23:44.29 | mheath | I was discharged from the freakin Marine Corps for major joint problems, and I got that waived :P |
| 23:44.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I do. |
| 23:44.32 | dna3e8 | :wave: |
| 23:44.39 | Lone_Wanderer | later dna3e8 |
| 23:44.49 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: My doctor wrote a letter saying... what did it say exactly? |
| 23:45.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't remember exactly. But the point of it was that I'm fine now. |
| 23:45.53 | Lone_Wanderer | And my recruiter sent it to MEPS and they want more. |
| 23:46.00 | dna3e8 | (some day i will remember how to make it italics) |
| 23:46.11 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Yeah, its a lengthy process sometimes |
| 23:46.14 | maquis | dna3e8: uh.... |
| 23:46.24 | mheath | I went down to MEPS a total of 4 times while enlisting in the Navy |
| 23:46.38 | maquis | do you realize that a lot of people here don't see italics in irc? |
| 23:46.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got medical records too, but they're... not as complete as I'd like. |
| 23:47.04 | mheath | Civilian medical records suck |
| 23:47.11 | mheath | Military is nice, I have a nice consolidated medical record |
| 23:47.43 | dna3e8 | Maquis: when you said "wonder what's with..." is is in italics... |
| 23:47.54 | maquis | dna3e8: no |
| 23:48.01 | maquis | it's just text |
| 23:48.06 | Lone_Wanderer | dna3e8: You see it in italics. We don't. |
| 23:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Your IRC client interprets what she typed as being italicized. |
| 23:48.36 | mheath | Wait |
| 23:48.36 | Lone_Wanderer | It probably had asterisks around it or something. *Does this look italic?* |
| 23:48.42 | mheath | Can my console even display italics? |
| 23:48.45 | dna3e8 | no |
| 23:48.51 | dna3e8 | *this probly will* |
| 23:48.58 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: Yeah my doctor takes sloppy notes. He never wrote down when I went off of antidepressants, I just stopped taking them. |
| 23:49.06 | maquis | dna3e8: does *this* come out bold? |
| 23:49.15 | dna3e8 | no |
| 23:49.19 | Lone_Wanderer | But he wrote saying that the last time he prescribed any to me was in 2004. |
| 23:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | dna3e8: /how about this/ |
| 23:49.33 | dna3e8 | no |
| 23:49.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh well. |
| 23:49.43 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: See, thats what I'm talking about |
| 23:49.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. |
| 23:49.50 | mheath | In the Navy, all your meds are ordered via a computer |
| 23:50.04 | dna3e8 | try them w/o my name first |
| 23:50.06 | mheath | Even if the doctor doesn't annotate stopping them, the computer will show the last time the prescription was filled |
| 23:50.10 | mheath | Actually, I have to get mine updated |
| 23:50.24 | Lone_Wanderer | dna3e8: to do that type /me la la la |
| 23:50.24 | dna3e8 | \this might |
| 23:50.24 | sontek | _italics_ |
| 23:50.27 | mheath | the computer still lists on its printouts that some medication I had last back in february is still 'active' :P |
| 23:50.30 | sontek | nope |
| 23:51.09 | mheath | heh |
| 23:51.09 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=graphyx@205.208.245.105) |
| 23:51.18 | mheath | Your italics thing shows up as underlined for me, sontek :P |
| 23:51.25 | mheath | Thats just because of the _ and _ before and after |
| 23:51.35 | maquis | _this_does_underline_ |
| 23:51.37 | maquis | or not |
| 23:51.41 | mheath | Not on my client :P |
| 23:51.44 | dna3e8 | no |
| 23:51.44 | mheath | window 3 |
| 23:51.46 | mheath | whoops |
| 23:51.49 | graphyx | I just refilled a black ink cartridge, but it isn't working still. |
| 23:52.00 | graphyx | anyone know a way to clean it and get it going again? |
| 23:52.02 | dna3e8 | it just means you are sacstic |
| 23:52.04 | graphyx | hp cart. |
| 23:53.36 | dna3e8 | graphyx: i clean ink jet with a q tip and rubbing alcohol |
| 23:53.54 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: OK, there are really only a few things that are instantly disqualifying |
| 23:54.05 | mheath | (and about half of those are really waiverable if you push it hard enough, too) |
| 23:54.17 | Lone_Wanderer | What are instantly disqualifying that can't be waived? |
| 23:54.28 | mheath | Unless you have multiple felenoy convictions, are going blind, or have some horrible disease, you'll get in |
| 23:54.49 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Some really weird medical conditions, bad, BAD criminal record... |
| 23:54.52 | dna3e8 | anyone use mythdora? |
| 23:55.06 | Lone_Wanderer | No felony convictions, not blind, no horrible diseases. Just a history of depression. |
| 23:56.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Which given that the girl I was practically engaged to died in a car accident, seems understandable. |
