IRC log for #utah on 20070529

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`00:48.23`	`nick125_lappy`	`Anyone here know of a cdburning library?`
`00:48.36`	`klys`	`is there a way to set the From: username in pine, or get exim4 to rewrite it?`
`00:48.37`	`klys`	`smtp-server is localhost`
`00:48.39`	`klys`	`I was thinking there may be some way around this with exim...`
`00:49.15`	`klys`	`mick125_lappy: the cdrecord and cdrdao programs can both burn cds, let's see if they use a lib`
`00:50.31`	`klys`	`mick125_lappy: no library for cd access is used by either, so there isn't a standard cd burning library`
`00:51.16`	`nick125_lappy`	`Hrm...I wish that something like that existed, so I could wrap it with ctypes and allow for burning of CDs in python`
`00:51.59`	`mheath`	`nick125_lappy: All the real stuff that cdrecord etc use for burning is all just contained in the kernel.`
`00:53.38`	`nick125_lappy`	`There is libnautilus-burn, but, that requires a bunch of gnome cruff`
`00:56.37`	`tensai`	`klys: there's a way to do it in exim. hang on.`
`00:58.33`	`tensai`	`*@+local_domains ${lookup{${local_part}}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses} {$value}fail} Ffrs`
`00:59.00`	`tensai`	`that replaces local usernames with an alternative email address from /etc/email-addresses`
`01:00.37`	`tensai`	`nick125_lappy: there's libk3b`
`01:01.04`	`tensai`	`which depends on a large number of kde libs`
`01:02.28`	`tensai`	`nick125_lappy: I also see one named libburn. no idea on how well it works.`
`01:02.34`	`nick125_lappy`	`I think that might be even worse (libk3b)`
`01:03.36`	`nick125_lappy`	`libburn looks fairly well maintained`
`01:03.52`	`nick125_lappy`	`Well, least it is maintained.`
`01:03.59`	`nick125_lappy`	`last release was april 26, 2007`
`01:10.07`	`nick125_lappy`	`Lovely...`
`01:10.07`	`nick125_lappy`	`>>> h.burn_drive_scan()`
`01:10.08`	`nick125_lappy`	`Segmentation fault`
`01:12.12`	`nick125_lappy`	`Maybe an event-based mpd library would be easier?`
`01:13.33`	`nick125_lappy`	`Well, signal-style would be nice as well`
`01:15.01`	`mheath`	`nick125_lappy: Search around. I'm sure theres some already written python bindings for linux CD writing`
`01:15.11`	`mheath`	`I had a friend awhile back who made a Perl GUI for CD burning`
`01:15.16`	`mheath`	`He used an already-existing perl module`
`01:30.28`	`Tene`	`Perl has much better library coverage than python does, though.`
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`01:58.46`	`mheath`	`Fair enough.`
`02:07.33`	`vontrapp`	`how do you ssh to an ipv6 address?`
`02:09.22`	`tensai`	`vontrapp: ssh ::1`
`02:09.38`	`vontrapp`	`i don't want to ssh to localhost`
`02:09.54`	`tensai`	`well, substitute the appropriate address for ::1`
`02:10.01`	`tensai`	`use ssh -6 to force v6`
`02:10.13`	`vontrapp`	`so.. ::ae:41:53:53:53?`
`02:10.34`	`tensai`	`assuming that's a valid address, sure`
`02:11.14`	`vontrapp`	`well at least now it says network unreachable`
`02:11.22`	`tensai`	`you can ping6 it to make sure it's alive`
`02:11.30`	`vontrapp`	`instead of name or address uknown`
`02:11.52`	`tensai`	`is it a link-local address?`
`02:12.03`	`vontrapp`	`problem is the only way to find addresses shows ipv6 addresses`
`02:12.06`	`herlo`	`vontrapp: ssh still works that way`
`02:12.19`	`vontrapp`	`and it shows 5 different ones for this one puter`
`02:12.42`	`vontrapp`	`(vpn)`
`02:12.55`	`vontrapp`	`and i don't know which is current`
`02:13.13`	`vontrapp`	`the most recent looking one didn't work`
`02:13.46`	`tensai`	`you didn't perhaps miss a few numbers before ::ae did you?`
`02:14.11`	`vontrapp`	`no, i started out typing the actual address and got bored`
`02:14.14`	`vontrapp`	`made up the rest`
`02:14.22`	`tensai`	`ah, ok`
`02:15.31`	`vontrapp`	`hmm just guessed the v4 address`
`02:15.35`	`vontrapp`	`yay`
`02:19.29`	`mheath`	`Good evening, everyone.`
`02:19.44`	`mheath`	`vontrapp, tensai, herlo :)`
`02:20.05`	`tensai`	`that's my name, don't wear it out`
`02:24.38`	`mheath`	`nick125_lappy: The puzzle game?`
`02:24.44`	`nick125_lappy`	`yeah`
`02:24.58`	`nick125_lappy`	`I really love that game, but, I hate having to get on my 360 to play it`
`02:25.08`	`vontrapp`	`ah, the joys of remote network tweaking`
`02:28.55`	`mheath`	`Hmm`
`02:29.01`	`mheath`	`I haven't seen my roomate in 4 days`
`02:29.12`	`mheath`	`and if he isn't here within an hour and a half, he's officially UA (AWOL)`
`02:30.03`	`vontrapp`	`UA?`
`02:30.25`	`vontrapp`	`how does UA == AWOL?`
`02:31.43`	`nick125_lappy`	`Unauthorized absence (wikipedia is awesome)`
`02:31.52`	`vontrapp`	`ok, like 200`
`02:34.52`	`vontrapp`	`nm, it already seems to have routing stuff set up`
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`02:39.16`	`ibot`	`cowers in fear`
`02:39.21`	`mheath`	`vontrapp: The officially recommended stance is always, only reflash with physical access.`
`02:39.41`	`mheath`	`vontrapp: There the same term, but different branches use different terms.`
`02:39.50`	`mheath`	`UA = Unauthorized Absence`
`02:40.15`	`mheath`	`AWOL = Absence without leave (IE, unauthorized absence)`
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`02:58.09`	`klys`	`tensai: are you here?`
`02:58.14`	`tensai`	`yup`
`02:58.34`	`klys`	`ok, could I get an example update-exim4.conf.conf ?`
`02:59.49`	`klys`	`tensai: I have one that includes these lines:`
`02:59.57`	`klys`	`dc_relay_nets='192.168.0.0/24'`
`02:59.57`	`klys`	`dc_smarthost='mailandnews.com'`
`03:02.27`	`klys`	`looks like I have that config rule in exim4.conf.template`
`03:02.50`	`klys`	`maybe since my IP is changing lately I'm no longer in a "local domain"?`
`03:02.55`	`tensai`	`http://paste.lisp.org/display/41948`
`03:03.00`	`klys`	`tensai: thx`
`03:05.53`	`nick125_lappy`	`I'm debating what would be better: using pygame and having it much easier to write my lumines clone, or use gtk/cairo, and have scalable levels/etc`
`03:06.34`	`nick125_lappy`	`(With cairo, all of the graphics would be SVG`
`03:07.26`	`nick125_lappy`	`but, it'd be much much hard to write with cairo`
`03:09.48`	`tensai`	`well, I'd choose a non-python solution because I dislike python but easier sounds better to me`
`03:09.49`	`klys`	`tensai: I added this line: dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1'`
`03:09.59`	`klys`	`and it still doesn't read /etc/email-addresses`
`03:10.11`	`tensai`	`klys: that makes it bind only on localhost`
`03:10.29`	`klys`	`tensai: I'm running pine on localhost`
`03:10.48`	`nick125_lappy`	`hahahaah`
`03:10.50`	`nick125_lappy`	`21:08 -!- commiebob [i=loser@cpe-72-225-61-6.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #python`
`03:10.51`	`tensai`	`try running exim with exim4 -d +all -bh 127.0.0.1`
`03:10.59`	`nick125_lappy`	`21:08 < commiebob> I like snakes just as much as the next guy, but isnt this a bit much`
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`03:13.40`	`klys`	`tensai: running exim4 this way I get: Error sending: Connection failed to localhost,25: Connection refused`
`03:15.35`	`klys`	`the exim4 daemon offers no messages during this period`
`03:16.40`	`klys`	`I'm not clear on how to enable smtp authentication`
`03:17.32`	`klys`	`Error sending: SMTP authentication not available: localhost`
`03:17.54`	`klys`	`that's from alpine`
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`03:23.28`	`klys`	`running aline -d 4 the debug file gets cut short`
`03:24.51`	`klys`	`alpine -d 4`
`03:36.39`	`findlay`	`~pb`
`03:37.06`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, pb is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or at paste.lisp.org`
`03:53.13`	`klys`	`tensai: what would you recommend`
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`04:19.19`	`tensai`	`klys: I'm not quite sure. you need to know how pine is submitting mail, either via smtp or sendmail.`
`04:19.21`	`tensai`	`that exim debug command should have worked. it runs a debugging session and doesn't depend on the running daemon.`
`04:20.51`	`klys`	`tensai: it's through smtp, I have exim4 not sendmail. port 25 ususally`
`04:21.08`	`klys`	`I don't know of an exim4-ssl package`
`04:21.52`	`klys`	`the exim debug command was what I was running in the absence of a normal session. I stopped exim4 prior to and started it back up later. should I not have?`
`04:21.54`	`tensai`	`by sendmail I mean the sendmail-compatible binary`
`04:22.24`	`klys`	`tensai: it's the default debian alpine binary`
`04:22.40`	`klys`	`in /usr/bin/alpine`
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`04:50.05`	`nick125_lappy`	`Hrm, I want to make a small game (very simple game play, simple graphics, etc), but, I'm don't have any ideas for such a game. Any ideas?`
`04:50.17`	`harleypig`	`tic tac toe`
`04:50.21`	`harleypig`	`battleship`
`04:50.38`	`nick125_lappy`	`Well, not too simple.`
`04:50.42`	`harleypig`	`chess`
`04:50.48`	`harleypig`	`battle chess`
`04:51.03`	`harleypig`	`something based on d20`
`04:51.37`	`harleypig`	`Should take you about 1-2 years on your own ...`
`04:51.50`	`nick125_lappy`	`The issue with chess is that unless you do it over network (which would be difficult) or two person on the same machine, it would require some kind of logic engine`
`04:51.52`	`harleypig`	`dedicated I mean`
`04:52.17`	`harleypig`	`? Even tic tac toe would require some kind of logic engine ...`
`04:52.25`	`nick125_lappy`	`Well, complex logic.`
`04:52.41`	`nick125_lappy`	`Unless I just wrapped around another existing engine`
`04:52.55`	`harleypig`	`there're open source chess engines`
`04:55.15`	`findlay`	`games-board/gnuchess`
`04:55.39`	`harleypig`	`yeah. what he said`
`04:56.47`	`findlay`	`we're all gentoo users here`
`04:59.24`	`nick125_lappy`	`I have two weeks to work on something`
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`04:59.58`	`harleypig`	`Well, you can make my ideal blogging/wiki/calendar/todo app ...`
`05:00.07`	`harleypig`	`In perl, natch`
`05:00.27`	`nick125_lappy`	`harleypig: I'd rather rip my eyeballs out with a spoon than use perl.`
`05:00.36`	`harleypig`	`Why a spoon?`
`05:00.41`	`findlay`	`harleypig: what would be your preferred perl web environment?`
`05:01.01`	`harleypig`	`findlay: linux console`
`05:01.07`	`nick125_lappy`	`harleypig: Because it is blunt and would probably require alot of force.`
`05:01.08`	`harleypig`	`Is that what you meant?`
`05:01.20`	`findlay`	`harleypig: what modules and stuff`
`05:01.36`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: Ok. As long as you cleaned up the mess I'm good with that. When can you start?`
`05:01.36`	`findlay`	`for creating mod_perl stuff`
`05:02.22`	`harleypig`	`findlay: Oh. shrug These frameworks seem like overkill for something like this.`
`05:02.22`	`nick125_lappy`	`I'd rather write a game, since that's something I haven't done before.`
`05:02.40`	`harleypig`	`(read, I don't want to spend so much time learning the framework that I don't get the stoopid app written)`
`05:02.50`	`findlay`	`catalyst is way too complex IMO`
`05:03.06`	`harleypig`	`yeah`
`05:03.09`	`nick125_lappy`	`What about zope! That is so simple and easy to use!`
`05:03.13`	`findlay`	`haha`
`05:03.24`	`findlay`	`zope almost turned me off python`
`05:03.51`	`nick125_lappy`	`Zope is like a bad dream`
`05:03.51`	`findlay`	`django is pretty sweet`
`05:03.56`	`nick125_lappy`	`findlay: agreed`
`05:04.17`	`findlay`	`and twisted!`
`05:04.26`	`findlay`	`muwhahaha`
`05:04.28`	`nick125_lappy`	`twisted seems really overkill for anything.`
`05:04.41`	`nick125_lappy`	`I can't think of something that twisted would work well with`
`05:04.45`	`harleypig`	`isn't that python?`
`05:04.49`	`findlay`	`yeah`
`05:04.55`	`nick125_lappy`	`yeah`
`05:04.59`	`harleypig`	`meh`
`05:05.19`	`findlay`	`you could run your whole site in a self-modifying perl6 regular expression`
`05:05.32`	`findlay`	`one regex to rule them all`
`05:05.47`	`harleypig`	`findlay: Yeah, I'm not up to Damian's level.`
`05:05.49`	`harleypig`	`Yet.`
`05:06.13`	`findlay`	`I keep wanting to play with perl 6`
`05:06.18`	`findlay`	`but don't have time`
`05:06.19`	`harleypig`	`Someday he and I are going to share code poetry on stage at OSCon.`
`05:06.33`	`harleypig`	`It won't be pretty, but everyone will be sweaty and satisfied when we're done.`
`05:07.07`	`findlay`	`harleypig vs damian: perl poetry improv`
`05:07.44`	`harleypig`	`heh`
`05:11.01`	`findlay`	`tetr1s!1`
`05:11.08`	`findlay`	`again!`
`05:11.36`	`harleypig`	`Russian Roulette with 'sudo rm -fr /'`
`05:11.53`	`nick125_lappy`	`findlay: Tetris gets boring though.`
`05:11.57`	`harleypig`	`If it passes you give them your root password.`
`05:13.53`	`harleypig`	`GAHHHH!!! I just want a simple perl blogging program dangit.`
`05:14.32`	`harleypig`	`I s'pose I could go back to Blogger ... do they have tags yet?`
`05:16.36`	`nick125_lappy`	`I'm thinking of making a very simple paintball game...`
`05:17.41`	`nick125_lappy`	`The only issue I can think of from a technical standpoint would be actually moving in a 3d environment`
`05:17.54`	`nick125_lappy`	`Considering that I'll be using pygame`
`05:18.16`	`findlay`	`harleypig: I was in your same position once`
`05:18.21`	`nick125_lappy`	`the graphics wouldn't really be 3d, but, the environment would have to be to make the game sort of interesting`
`05:19.29`	`nick125_lappy`	`complexity....ugh`
`05:20.10`	`findlay`	`and then I just settled with nanoblogger`
`05:20.51`	`nick125_lappy`	`If I did the paintball game, it would be from a first-person perspective`
`05:21.08`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: Have you heard of blob and conquer?`
`05:21.17`	`harleypig`	`findlay: looking`
`05:21.22`	`findlay`	`harleypig: it's bash`
`05:21.24`	`nick125_lappy`	`No, I haven't..`
`05:21.29`	`findlay`	`and the urls are ugly`
`05:21.42`	`harleypig`	`findlay: You're a sick man.`
`05:21.48`	`findlay`	`heh`
`05:21.55`	`findlay`	`what's wrong with bash?`
`05:22.16`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: It's an opengl fps with the happy face as the protagonist.`
`05:22.41`	`harleypig`	`findlay: Nothing ... for command line stuff ... but for web stuff?`
`05:22.46`	`brac`	`Nothing ... for some stir-fry.`
`05:22.50`	`harleypig`	`That's just unnatural`
`05:23.03`	`findlay`	`it was basically the smallest blogging framework in portage`
`05:23.17`	`findlay`	`I'd rather have stir-fry`
`05:23.24`	`nick125_lappy`	`I want something that I can do that will occupy two weeks, but, not something that is overly complex..`
`05:23.30`	`harleypig`	`cons: not easily upgradeable .. at least they're up front about it :>`
`05:24.07`	`nick125_lappy`	`I'd use pygame, since pyopengl is way too complex for me at the moment, and in the time frame I have`
`05:25.17`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: You could glue irssi, mutt, vim and`
`05:25.24`	`harleypig`	`what was that curses based rss reader ...`
`05:25.34`	`harleypig`	`in screen of course`
`05:25.49`	`harleypig`	`and make it accessible via ssh, web, wap and telepathy`
`05:26.30`	`nick125_lappy`	`That sounds painful`
`05:26.48`	`nick125_lappy`	`I could make it like AOL OpenView(TM)`
`05:26.54`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`05:27.07`	`harleypig`	`You'd be cursed universally`
`05:27.17`	`harleypig`	`because some phb would pick it up and demand it be used`
`05:27.44`	`findlay`	`centericq was cool while it lasted`
`05:27.59`	`findlay`	`is it still broken?`
`05:28.33`	`harleypig`	`shrug when I had irssi going I was using bitlbee and enjoying it much.`
`05:29.17`	`findlay`	`what would be cool is an ssl webpage that works like a login shell`
`05:31.33`	`harleypig`	`There are a couple of cpan modules that can do that ... failing that, it's not that hard to write.`
`05:31.33`	`brac`	`There are quite a few scripts`
`05:31.33`	`findlay`	`really?`
`05:32.27`	`harleypig`	Sure ... at it's simplest just run the command in backticks: use CGI ; %vars = CGI::Vars ; print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n" ; print `$vars{command}` ;
`05:32.42`	`harleypig`	`You'd need to add the form for the input box for the command, but that's easy enough to do.`
`05:33.38`	`tonedevf`	`/tonedevf\|zzz`
`05:33.45`	`findlay`	`or some javascript`
`05:33.53`	`nick125_lappy`	`Ugh, why is it that every time I think of an idea, it always is something that would end up being way way too complex (like something from the first person, in front view, where you would have a "world" around you)..`
`05:34.13`	`findlay`	`just do a side-scrolling game, like mario`
`05:34.14`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: Virtual Strip Poker.`
`05:34.17`	`findlay`	`that would be fun`
`05:34.21`	`harleypig`	`I'd be glad to pose ...`
`05:34.50`	`nick125_lappy`	`harleypig: Thanks, but, no thanks.`
`05:35.05`	`findlay`	`-chat`
`05:35.05`	`brac`	`or you make data+sound CDs`
`05:35.16`	`findlay`	`-chat about games`
`05:35.16`	`brac`	`games is`
`05:35.21`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: shrug Your loss. :>`
`05:35.24`	`findlay`	`-chat about pygame`
`05:35.24`	`brac`	`pygame had`
`05:35.37`	`findlay`	`-chat about your loss`
`05:35.37`	`brac`	`your loss justifies yelling at them`
`05:36.00`	`nick125_lappy`	`findlay: Well, I don't want another side-scrolling game with nothing new..`
`05:36.45`	`harleypig`	`nick125_lappy: You could do it from left to right instead of right to left ...`
`05:37.01`	`nick125_lappy`	`harleypig: But that isn't innovative, and it would be confusing`
`05:37.36`	`harleypig`	`Isn't confusing innovative?`
`05:38.19`	`harleypig`	`Cool ... Twitter::Shell ... now I can let the Twit's ... uh ... I mean my friends know what I'm doing from the command line ...`
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`05:39.18`	`harleypig`	`heh ... create aliases ... everytime I change dirs or make a program`
`05:39.41`	`harleypig`	`findlay: I think you messed that up.`
`05:39.45`	`*** topic/#utah by findlay -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah \| http://plug.org/irc \| Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 \| The Guru Labs take over of #utah continues apace. Perhaps you'd like to be next? We're still hiring. Resistance is futile, but resistivity is, but resistivity is a measure of how strongly a material opposes the flow of electric current.`
`05:39.56`	`findlay`	`dude`
`05:40.02`	`harleypig`	`?`
`05:40.07`	`*** topic/#utah by findlay -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah \| http://plug.org/irc \| Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 \| The Guru Labs take over of #utah continues apace. Perhaps you'd like to be next? We're still hiring. Resistance is futile, but resistivity is a measure of how strongly a material opposes the flow of electric current.`
`05:40.34`	`findlay`	`stupid inferior windows`
`05:40.59`	`harleypig`	`Oh. It wasn't me ...`
`08:19.02`	`Supaplex`	`guru labs? where?`
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`13:00.29`	`jsmith`	`tensai: Ping (re: MWI setup)`
`13:00.56`	`jsmith`	`ibot: onjoin #utah -jsmith`
`13:00.56`	`ibot`	`jsmith: ok`
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`13:17.19`	`jsmith`	`~wake tensai`
`13:17.29`	`ibot`	`ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on tensai and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"`
`13:29.06`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=50849&in_page_id=2`
`13:29.09`	`brac`	`[An Enterprising sort of wedding \| Metro.co.uk]`
`13:32.31`	`^Migs^`	`oh here's one with a pic:`
`13:32.32`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1007/1007852_star_trek_couple_are_married_by_a_vulcan.html`
`13:36.35`	`elg`	`he needed to find a better makeup artist that could at least stick the prosthetic forehead to his real head`
`13:40.23`	`^Migs^`	`I really don't think that's "full" Starship Enterprise uniform on either of them. If I'm not mistaken, the groom is actually wearing an Admiral's uniform.`
`13:40.56`	`^Migs^`	`Admirals typically have desk jobs`
`13:46.56`	`herlo`	`is there an easy way to change your admin password for a particular mailman list?`
`13:48.34`	`herlo`	`nm, figured it out`
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`14:19.38`	`Jayce^`	`gee, and harleypig just missed out on his kind of discussion`
`14:22.01`	`harleypig`	`uh huh`
`14:22.15`	`Jayce^`	`http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1007/1007852_star_trek_couple_are_married_by_a_vulcan.html (from migs)`
`14:22.19`	`harleypig`	`which kind of discussion.`
`14:22.40`	`Jayce^`	`full geeky discussion of what was wrong with them`
`14:23.43`	`harleypig`	`They were afraid they would make fools of themselves during the dance ...`
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`14:51.09`	`^Migs^`	`I still don't get it. Why would a Bajoran and a Klingon get married by a Vulcan?`
`14:51.19`	`^Migs^`	`and why was the Klingon wearing Federation clothes?`
`14:51.55`	`Jayce^`	`no dude... RUN`
`14:52.12`	`elg`	`better use the emergency transporter man`
`14:52.33`	`Jayce^`	`or those magic tubes..`
`14:52.40`	`^Migs^`	`So he's a Klingon...wearing Federation Admiral clothes...yet with only three dots`
`14:52.47`	`^Migs^`	`That guy is NO Star Trek fan. He's just an idiot.`
`14:53.02`	`^Migs^`	`three dots = commander, iirc`
`14:53.11`	`Jayce^`	`no, it's star trek, there's always a way to explain inconsistencies...`
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`14:53.35`	`^Migs^`	`NOT in this case.`
`14:53.52`	`^Migs^`	`he has no excuse for creating inconsistencies like this`
`14:54.01`	`^Migs^`	`like they'd actually have an Admiral Klingon in the Federation`
`14:54.03`	`^Migs^`	`haha`
`14:54.38`	`elg`	`here's my guess`
`14:54.55`	`elg`	`the guy actually dressed up as a commander - his rank in his local club where they role play or something`
`14:55.17`	`elg`	`and the media says "that doesn't look weird enough. would you be willing to wear this klingon forehead?"`
`14:55.42`	`elg`	`that would explain the lack of glue on the forehead too`
`14:55.45`	`^Migs^`	`Maybe I'm unaware of a Star Fleet tradition of wearing a special white uniform when an officer gets married.`
`14:56.22`	`elg`	`they're dress uniforms`
`14:56.42`	`elg`	`well his is. don't know what she's wearing, but she looks like she's not federation`
`14:56.49`	`harleypig`	`^Migs^: You missed the opening scenes to Star Trek: Nemesis`
`14:56.57`	`^Migs^`	`okay, I take it back. The rectangle around the dots makes him an admiral`
`14:57.00`	`harleypig`	`She's maquis`
`14:57.27`	`elg`	`yeah, maquis-admiral weddings are fairly common ;-)`
`14:57.28`	`harleypig`	`A klingon federation admiral marrying a bajoran maquis ... wow.`
`14:57.33`	`^Migs^`	`OH`
`14:57.38`	`^Migs^`	`I didnt' realize she was Maquis`
`14:57.52`	`^Migs^`	`well that just explains EVERYTHING doesn't it?`
`14:59.26`	`harleypig`	`err ... I was tossing that off ... maquis don't`
`14:59.36`	`harleypig`	`err .. maquis don't like to advertise`
`14:59.57`	`harleypig`	`WAIT! I know what it is!!!`
`15:00.18`	`harleypig`	`He's really a bajoran spy who infilitrated the klingons who then infilitrated the federation ...`
`15:00.28`	`^Migs^`	`double agent?`
`15:00.36`	`^Migs^`	`er`
`15:00.37`	`harleypig`	`His prosthesis is getting a little ragged though.`
`15:00.59`	`^Migs^`	`klingons must be really stupid if they bought that disguise`
`15:01.05`	`harleypig`	`Soon he'll be asked to infilitrate the maquis by the federation.`
`15:01.44`	`harleypig`	`Or that's what this is ... it's not a real marriage (mawwage ... sorry ... wrong movie) ...`
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`15:02.33`	`harleypig`	`And the priest wasn't really a vulcan ...`
`15:02.40`	`harleypig`	`he's a Romulan spy`
`15:03.36`	`harleypig`	`Hi tristanbob, welcome to my rabbit hole ...`
`15:03.57`	`harleypig`	`that reminds me ... I haven't read bash or qdb in a while ...`
`15:05.48`	`harleypig`	`http://bash.org/?767016`
`15:05.49`	`brac`	`[QDB: Quote #767016]`
`15:06.43`	`harleypig`	`http://bash.org/?766450`
`15:06.43`	`brac`	`[QDB: Quote #766450]`
`15:12.32`	`harleypig`	`yep`
`15:12.35`	`harleypig`	`take that!`
`15:12.45`	`harleypig`	`(sorry ... pain meds do funny things to me)`
`15:13.04`	`maquis`	`hmmm`
`15:14.35`	`elg`	`~embarass harleypig`
`15:15.34`	`harleypig`	`? It's pretty hard to embarass me ... now, if you want en bare ass me ...`
`15:16.46`	`maquis`	`please don't`
`15:19.11`	`harleypig`	`:>`
`15:19.36`	`sontek`	`I can't wait for the harleypig thong calendar`
`15:20.09`	`harleypig`	`:D Scared off JoshH`
`15:24.45`	`tensai`	`maquis: congratulations on your marriage to a klingon federation admiral`
`15:26.07`	`maquis`	`tensai: uh... thakns?`
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`15:26.34`	`tensai`	`assuming you're the maquis of which they speak`
`15:30.00`	`harleypig`	`tensai: You think maquis (the person on this channel) looks like that? (the bajoran wannabe in the article?)`
`15:30.39`	`harleypig`	`Or have you not met her?`
`15:31.11`	`maquis`	`i suppose that a klingon, federation admiral would not be a bad spouse for a maquis... good way to collect information`
`15:31.19`	`maquis`	`but then they're also giving information`
`15:31.23`	`maquis`	`which is bad`
`15:31.26`	`tensai`	`I haven't met either of them. in general I avoid any pictures posted by ^Migs^, so I haven't seen it yet`
`15:31.32`	`harleypig`	`unless it was misinformation`
`15:31.38`	`harleypig`	`heh`
`15:31.50`	`harleypig`	`this is a couple in england`
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`15:37.12`	`harleypig`	`http://bash.org/?762565`
`15:37.12`	`brac`	`[QDB: Quote #762565]`
`15:37.28`	`harleypig`	`Should't that be 'The irssi be with you, always' ?`
`15:40.34`	`sontek`	`be with you always, irssi will.`
`15:42.35`	`lukfugl`	`~lart harleypig (for the bash quote)`
`15:42.35`	`ibot`	`beats harleypig (for the bash quote) into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy`
`15:45.41`	`harleypig`	`? which one?`
`15:48.18`	`harleypig`	`http://qdb.us/85329`
`15:48.20`	`brac`	`[QDB: Quote #85329]`
`15:48.27`	`harleypig`	`Here's a qdb quote`
`15:57.49`	`^Migs^`	`just got a new girl move into the cube next to me and she's kind of cute. Kind of refreshing not having nothing but a bunch of ugly old men as coworkers.`
`15:58.52`	`harleypig`	`cute girls are overrated`
`15:59.17`	`sontek`	`ugly guys are underrated`
`15:59.29`	`elg`	`cute guys are rated`
`15:59.43`	`sontek`	`on hotornot.com ?`
`16:00.00`	`elg`	`rated R perhaps`
`16:00.08`	`elg`	`for ridiculous`
`16:00.11`	`tristanbob_`	`old guys are dated`
`16:10.06`	`tristanbob_`	`anyone else use the OTR plugin for GAIM/PIDGIN?`
`16:10.19`	`tristanbob_`	`it provides encryption of chat messages`
`16:11.53`	`^Migs^`	`oh nice`
`16:12.03`	`^Migs^`	`iow, no`
`16:12.29`	`elg`	`yes`
`16:12.44`	`elg`	`i use it in adium mostly, but i've used it in gaim`
`16:13.02`	`harleypig`	`Isn't Gabriel Gunderson's nick gundy?`
`16:15.37`	`levi`	`I think so.`
`16:18.14`	`harleypig`	`meh ... I get my blog back up and it's not being picked up by openclue`
`16:18.23`	`Jayce^`	`harleypig, liar..`
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`16:20.02`	`harleypig`	`Jayce^: ?`
`16:20.20`	`Jayce^`	`just a generalized statement...`
`16:20.28`	`harleypig`	`ah`
`16:27.28`	`harleypig`	`bbl in a few ?`
`16:31.13`	`mheath`	`GRRR.`
`16:31.15`	`mheath`	`WOw, that nices`
`16:32.16`	`mheath`	`I came within an inch of being completely screwed for the rest of my life this morning`
`16:32.16`	`rsimpkins`	`google.com redesigned their home page looks like.`
`16:32.16`	`rsimpkins`	`Slight difference.`
`16:32.16`	`mheath`	`They were going to send me to Captain's Mast (NJP), possibly`
`16:32.16`	`mheath`	`And in my situation (being discharged) that would probably result in me getting a dishonorable discharge`
`16:32.16`	`lukfugl`	`NJP?`
`16:32.21`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, bouncing to igoogle.`
`16:32.23`	`mheath`	`As it is, I found out that my "Administrative Seperation" == a "Other than Honorable Discharge"`
`16:32.28`	`mheath`	`Meaning, guess what!`
`16:32.40`	`mheath`	`I'm not going to be able to find a good job for the rest of my FREAKIN LIFE`
`16:32.47`	`mheath`	`Wanted to go into teaching, possibly`
`16:33.00`	`tristanbob_`	`or get a concealed weapons permit?`
`16:33.03`	`mheath`	`Guess what? All schools view Other than Honorable as equivelent to a criminal conviction!`
`16:33.11`	`mheath`	`YAH!`
`16:33.17`	`mheath`	`I'M COMPLETELY SCREWED FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE`
`16:33.52`	`harleypig`	`mheath, usually Other Than Honorable is a criminal conviction.`
`16:33.59`	`mheath`	`harleypig: It's not.`
`16:34.01`	`mheath`	`Administrative Seperation = Other than Honorable`
`16:34.01`	`mheath`	`I am being discharged for medical reasons`
`16:34.02`	`mheath`	`Yet its admin seperation`
`16:34.02`	`^Migs^`	`just explain that on applications`
`16:34.03`	`Jayce^`	`well, gun purchase in UT only asks if it's dishonorable..`
`16:34.13`	`harleypig`	`They're not giving you an honorable under medical conditions?`
`16:34.20`	`Jayce^`	`most medicals are`
`16:34.25`	`mheath`	`harleypig: Nope`
`16:34.27`	`mheath`	`Uh`
`16:34.27`	`^Migs^`	`did you know you had medical conditions when you joined the Navy?`
`16:34.31`	`harleypig`	`stby man`
`16:34.51`	`mheath`	`Right now I'm on waiting`
`16:35.02`	`mheath`	`Waiting for medical to stop being idiots (this will never happen)`
`16:35.06`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Do you guys use any virtualized development environments?`
`16:35.13`	`mheath`	`My friend who is in 99.999% the same situation as me is already checked out`
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`16:35.16`	`^Migs^`	`I don't think you're "screwed for the rest of your life"`
`16:35.26`	`mheath`	`The psychologist said the SAME thing, recommended the SAME thing for him, and he went to medical with me this morning`
`16:35.33`	`harleypig`	`So, when are you going to Leavenworth?`
`16:35.33`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, xen... vmware player (you mean like that? )`
`16:35.34`	`mheath`	`Yet for some reason, medical never faxed my crap to the command`
`16:35.38`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: yeah.`
`16:35.45`	`mheath`	`harleypig: SCREW YOU.`
`16:35.53`	`mheath`	`I'm tired of people jumping to freakin conclusions`
`16:35.53`	`harleypig`	`O_o`
`16:35.56`	`Jayce^`	`harleypig++ (just for the reaction)`
`16:36.00`	`mheath`	`my SLPO is convinced I'm trying to get out of the military`
`16:36.17`	`mheath`	`Came up with some BS story in his mind about how my dad is forcing me into a military career because he's a high ranking retired officer`
`16:36.28`	`harleypig`	`mheath: When's the last time yousaw me jump`
`16:36.32`	`harleypig`	`for anything?`
`16:36.37`	`mheath`	`What?`
`16:36.43`	`harleypig`	`I'm too fat and out of shape to jump`
`16:36.47`	`mheath`	`I wasn't talking about you in that statement`
`16:37.06`	`Jayce^`	`harleypig, according to the NGS they haven't had more than a minor quake recently.. so nothing more than a hop from you :)`
`16:37.15`	`harleypig`	`It was right after the screw you comment (and it's been awhile since my wife left ... hmmm)`
`16:37.17`	`mheath`	`I'm just tired of doing absolutely nothing all day while they sit and decide how much they want to screw me over`
`16:37.37`	`mheath`	`They've apparently figured out exactly how I think and exactly whats wrong with me, without talking to the doctors or to me!`
`16:37.39`	`harleypig`	`So find out what you can do. Annoy people.`
`16:38.05`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: was the answer no?`
`16:38.17`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, I use xen and vmware-player :)`
`16:38.24`	`mheath`	`This is exaclty the same type of deal as what happened down at MCRD`
`16:38.32`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Cool. We are eval'ing vmwar's Lab Manager right now.`
`16:38.36`	`mheath`	`This is supposed to be an expeditious discharge. Hah, yeah righj.`
`16:38.37`	`Jayce^`	`we do have some virtuozzo here too, but I am not as hands on with that`
`16:38.39`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Just curious if you've used it`
`16:38.45`	`Jayce^`	`haven't`
`16:38.59`	`mheath`	`THIS IS HELL. WELCOME.`
`16:39.45`	`mheath`	`Oh, I also got chewed out by an E-8`
`16:39.45`	`harleypig`	`mheath: This ain't hell. This is the waiting room for hell.`
`16:39.45`	`mheath`	`Because I dropped a box of soda and spilt it`
`16:39.45`	`Jayce^`	`enjoy the magazines..`
`16:39.46`	`harleypig`	`? How'd you get an e8's attention?`
`16:40.27`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: I suggest you stand up right now. Face the flag. Salute. And scream at the top of your lungs: "YES SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!!!" sixteen times.`
`16:40.27`	`mheath`	`IT WAS HIS FREAKIN FAULT FOR HAVING THE GUY WHO'S GETTING DISCHARGED FOR KNEE PROBLEMS CARRY 4 LOADS OF SODA UP 4 FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.`
`16:40.40`	`mheath`	`Today has been great`
`16:40.53`	`mheath`	`"Oh, you didn't check in after your medical appointment on Friday"`
`16:41.03`	`mheath`	`"Tell us why we shouldn't Mast you for being UA for 4 days."`
`16:42.20`	`rsimpkins`	`I like the old google. Someone make it come back.`
`16:42.22`	`mheath`	`Gotta do extruciating work carrying heavy loads in from the humid, hot outside, and enjoy carrying them up lots of flights of stairs on a bad knee.`
`16:42.36`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, link at the top`
`16:42.43`	`mheath`	`Gotta wait while medical acted like a moron.`
`16:42.53`	`mheath`	`(still waiting on that one, will always be waiting on that one)`
`16:43.05`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: The 'classic home' is different now.`
`16:43.12`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: It's no longer 'classic.'`
`16:43.19`	`mheath`	`THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY(ER).`
`16:43.21`	`mheath`	`I HATE THIS PLACE`
`16:44.09`	`mheath`	`GUESS WHAT CHIEF? WANT TO KNOW WHY I'M EXCITED TO GET OUT OF HERE, DESPITE SAYING I WANT TO BE IN THE MILITARY? BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE MOMENT OF EVERY DAY FO RHTE PAST TWO MONTHS, YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN KILLING MY MOTIVIATION. KICKING IT, SPITTING ON IT, RUNNING A KNIFE ACROSSED ITS THROAT.`
`16:44.21`	`mheath`	`I HATE THIS PLACE, AND WANT TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. THATS. ALL. I. WANT.`
`16:44.37`	`mheath`	`No, I'm not suicidal now`
`16:44.46`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: This is way, way off topic man.`
`16:44.50`	`mheath`	`Please, PLEASE don't one of you get concerned and call the command, telling them I told you I was suicidal.`
`16:44.54`	`mheath`	`I've been there, done that`
`16:45.09`	`mheath`	`Spending the week in the mental institute, that was the time of my life!`
`16:45.25`	`mheath`	`I love during indoc here...they tell you "Oh, if someone you know is suicidal, let us know, so we can help them!"`
`16:45.48`	`mheath`	`s/so we can help them!/So we can screw them and kick them out of the Navy/g`
`16:46.38`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: Fair enough, I'm done.`
`16:47.13`	`rsimpkins`	`So I've not followd the BBQ thread.`
`16:47.17`	`rsimpkins`	`Does anyone know what's going ont here?`
`16:47.33`	`rsimpkins`	`Any indications on the date/location?`
`16:48.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.violentacres.com/archives/193/what-would-happen-if-you-bought-25-bottles-of-nyquil`
`16:48.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Gonna let the URL speak for itself`
`16:49.16`	`sjansen`	`rsimpkins: I don't think any decision's been made yet.`
`16:49.54`	`rsimpkins`	`ScytheBlade1: Can I guess? Does it involve law enforcment?`
`16:50.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rsimpkins, sadly no. Just an overly curious person`
`16:50.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Worth a read though, it's really good`
`16:50.21`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, gotta get a location..`
`16:50.42`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Isn't there a pavillion at the park in Orem off center?`
`16:50.52`	`Jayce^`	`yeah, we went there once..`
`16:50.56`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: There is a playground there for the kids.`
`16:50.58`	`Jayce^`	`just need somebody to reserve..`
`16:51.02`	`Jayce^`	`it's a great spot`
`16:51.18`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Did they have power?`
`16:52.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rsimpkins, "The end result of my little escapade, however, produced no angry police officers ruthlessly pounding on my door. In fact, outside of a couple of grocery store employees who briefly pretended to be Rambo, nothing really exciting happened at all."`
`16:53.26`	`Jayce^`	`iirc, yes`
`16:53.35`	`rsimpkins`	`ScytheBlade1: That he knows of... it could be they sent stuff to a detective and they just haven't followed up yet. He might get a big surprise. :)`
`16:54.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rsimpkins, she. And maybe. But the nyquil is fine, she tried to follow up with sudaphed.`
`16:54.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Go, read. :)`
`16:54.17`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Okay, I'm checking it out with Orem to see on availability for the pavillion there.`
`16:54.35`	`Jayce^`	`June, preferrably saturday nights`
`16:55.12`	`rsimpkins`	`What is the name of that park? Anyone know?`
`16:55.26`	`harleypig`	`scera park?`
`16:55.49`	`rsimpkins`	`Wow, it's packed.`
`16:56.06`	`Jayce^`	`no, scera is where we did it last year, good spot too`
`16:56.23`	`rsimpkins`	`Scera is reserved for the whole summer.`
`16:56.26`	`Jayce^`	`that's center street/arboretum/senior center`
`16:56.36`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, yeah, it's hard to get pavillions`
`16:56.42`	`harleypig`	`Oh, you menan Center Street Park`
`16:56.53`	`Jayce^`	`we've also done the park just south of the high school/rec center`
`16:56.58`	`Jayce^`	`a little harder to find`
`16:57.02`	`rsimpkins`	`"Senior Citizen's Pavillion" ?`
`16:57.08`	`Jayce^`	`the one in provo canyon usually goes first`
`16:57.16`	`Jayce^`	`rsimpkins, yeah..`
`16:57.21`	`Jayce^`	`there are two pavillions there`
`16:58.31`	`elg`	`so just for the record, rsyncing the /etc directory from your backup of centos3 over your /etc directory in your new centos5 installation is bad news`
`16:59.12`	`elg`	`i had to reinstall. not even rsyncing a fresh centos5 /etc from a vmware image would get it to boot again`
`17:00.00`	`levi`	`elg: Whoops.`
`17:00.19`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: I think the one we want is "Sharon Park Main Pavillion"`
`17:00.22`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: Sound right?`
`17:01.06`	`elg`	`the best part is that they rebooted it in the middle of the day`
`17:01.09`	`elg`	`without asking`
`17:01.26`	`elg`	`i would have told them "let's wait until I test a reboot after hours"`
`17:01.34`	`Jayce^`	`Sharon park is ok, it's at 500 N though`
`17:01.39`	`Jayce^`	`not the center one`
`17:02.05`	`rsimpkins`	`oh, okay. I'm calling them to figure out specifically which one it is.`
`17:02.15`	`rsimpkins`	`Then I'll let ya know the date. :)`
`17:02.49`	`Jayce^`	`:)`
`17:03.17`	`rsimpkins`	`If it's senior citizens one, it'll be on the 16th. I'm not sure that is the one though.\`
`17:04.02`	`Jayce^`	`figures the 16th :) 2 things that day already :)`
`17:04.03`	`^Migs^`	`hahaha: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/al_qaeda_also_fed_up_with_ground`
`17:06.46`	`rsimpkins`	`It is the senior center pavillion.`
`17:06.56`	`rsimpkins`	`I'll go to the fitness center today and reserve for the 16th.`
`17:07.35`	`rsimpkins`	`It'll be $50, I'll cover it.`
`17:07.46`	`rsimpkins`	`We should have power and what not.`
`17:08.07`	`rsimpkins`	`It'll either be the 16th or the 30th - depending on if someone beats me to the time slot today.`
`17:08.32`	`Jayce^`	`30th might be good`
`17:08.44`	`rsimpkins`	`Would you prefer that?`
`17:08.57`	`rsimpkins`	`Kinda close to the 4th.`
`17:09.01`	`elg`	`30th of june?`
`17:09.05`	`elg`	`I'd be in town possibly`
`17:09.06`	`rsimpkins`	`yeah.`
`17:09.18`	`rsimpkins`	`16th would be the saturday after the second wed.`
`17:09.23`	`rsimpkins`	`So more in-line with our meeting date.`
`17:09.38`	`elg`	`won't be in town the 16th`
`17:10.05`	`elg`	`the more fugals that come, the lower your chances of winning something`
`17:10.06`	`rsimpkins`	`All right, I'll try the 30th first - that will give us more time to prepare.`
`17:11.32`	`rsimpkins`	`Wait a second.`
`17:11.38`	`rsimpkins`	`If it's the 30th then I can't come. :(`
`17:14.51`	`Jayce^`	`d'oh`
`17:14.55`	`Jayce^`	`16th I guess...`
`17:17.22`	`lukfugl`	`rsimpkins: the "Classic Home" google (http://www.google.com/webhp) still looks classic to me`
`17:17.47`	`lukfugl`	`you're right though that it's annoying that they assume you want iGoogle`
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`17:19.29`	`elg`	`i'm much more annoyed that the groups link is in the "more" section`
`17:19.54`	`elg`	`that's two clicks to do the same search in usenet`
`17:20.17`	`elg`	`when was the last time you wanted to search for lvm activate volume group in google video?`
`17:20.55`	`Tene`	`last wednesday.`
`17:21.12`	`elg`	`was it a good video? did it have dancing zebras?`
`17:21.21`	`Tene`	`nine of them.`
`17:21.41`	`elg`	`awersome`
`17:21.45`	`lukfugl`	`is there something in the water in texas? http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/4843929.html`
`17:21.48`	`brac`	`[3 children, adult found dead; 1 hanged child survives \| Chron.com - Houston Chronicle]`
`17:25.27`	`rsimpkins`	`lukfugl: maybe they are doing AB testing.`
`17:30.17`	`elg`	`you have to be insane to live in texas in the first place, don't you?`
`17:34.47`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: I'll reserve 4-9pm. I'm thikning 5pm we show up and start setting up. have the official start be at 6, and go until dark. sound good?`
`17:34.48`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: I've got a nice gas grill I can cook on.`
`17:34.49`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: If we can get mine, and one other, we can get a lot of meat cooking.`
`17:35.09`	`rsimpkins`	`Jayce^: I need a truck tho - and a couple guys to heft it.`
`17:36.54`	`rsimpkins`	`Is redbeard going to be the master chef?`
`17:46.39`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.lolcode.com/`
`17:47.44`	`^Migs^`	`this site is cracking me up`
`17:50.33`	`findlay`	`oh man, I feel silly`
`17:53.34`	`^Migs^`	`HAI`
`17:53.34`	`^Migs^`	`I HAS A BOOL1 IZ 0`
`17:53.34`	`^Migs^`	`BOOL1 IZ 1 O RLY?`
`17:53.34`	`^Migs^`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:53.34`	`^Migs^`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:53.35`	`^Migs^`	`KTHXBYE`
`17:53.37`	`^Migs^`	`hahahaha`
`17:57.28`	`^Migs^`	`hahaha:`
`17:57.29`	`^Migs^`	`HAI`
`17:57.29`	`^Migs^`	`CAN HAS DBASE?`
`17:57.29`	`^Migs^`	`I HAZ A VARIABLE1 IS NOTHING`
`17:57.29`	`^Migs^`	`IM IN YR DATA ;) "test.mdb"`
`17:57.31`	`^Migs^`	`CAN I PLZ GET column1 column2 column3`
`17:57.33`	`^Migs^`	`ALL UP IN table1`
`17:57.35`	`^Migs^`	`OMG column1 IZ BIGGER THAN 5`
`17:57.37`	`^Migs^`	`ALL UR BASE R BELONG 2 VARIABLE1`
`17:57.39`	`^Migs^`	`IM OUTTA YR DATA`
`17:57.41`	`^Migs^`	`VISIBLE VARIABLE1`
`17:57.43`	`^Migs^`	`KTHXBYE`
`17:57.48`	`^Migs^`	`that's gold`
`17:57.50`	`^Migs^`	`"CAN I PLZ GET..."`
`17:59.21`	`findlay`	`^Migs^ is prototyping his new language`
`17:59.30`	`^Migs^`	`I wish it were mine`
`17:59.35`	`findlay`	`heh`
`17:59.38`	`^Migs^`	`I'd like to see someone make a FUNCTIONAL app out of this`
`17:59.46`	`findlay`	`:)`
`18:00.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol, imagine the debugging`
`18:00.43`	`findlay`	`DUDE YR VAR IZ UNDEF`
`18:01.42`	`levi`	`No, more like FAIL: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/fail.jpg`
`18:02.03`	`^Migs^`	`wow: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=458282&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5`
`18:02.08`	`brac`	`[The BIG cat who likes getting wet and wild \| the Daily Mail]`
`18:02.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's horrible`
`18:02.52`	`^Migs^`	`those pictures are AMAZING`
`18:06.16`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`^Migs^: hang out at Digg much?`
`18:06.44`	`^Migs^`	`not too often`
`18:06.57`	`^Migs^`	`I'd RSS it, but I was having problems with the streams earlier`
`18:07.26`	`findlay`	`Tene: just one?`
`18:07.45`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Is there any way to move all .bak files (recursing into directories) back to their original filenames?`
`18:08.13`	`Tene`	`Lone_Wanderer: find . -name '*bak'\|xargs rename .bak ''`
`18:08.25`	`Tene`	`ocelot`
`18:09.09`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`(Not that I don't trust you ;) )`
`18:09.51`	`findlay`	`tristanbob_: if you take some action you could definitely yield something`
`18:11.20`	`findlay`	`Lone_Wanderer: you can also use the ${name/.bak/} I think`
`18:11.30`	`findlay`	`shell trick, that is`
`18:12.19`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`That... didn't seem to do anything. Is it supposed to be part of something else?`
`18:12.45`	`findlay`	`find . -name "*.bak" \| while read $file ; do mv $file ${file/.bak/} ; done`
`18:12.56`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`ahh ok`
`18:13.15`	`findlay`	`s/$file/file/`
`18:14.52`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Hmm. That seems to have (more or less) worked.`
`18:15.27`	`findlay`	`Tene's version should work too`
`18:15.59`	`findlay`	`why didn't it work?`
`18:18.04`	`findlay`	`although with the find \| xargs version you would need find -print0 \| xargs -0 if your filenames have spaces`
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`19:05.00`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`It worked.`
`19:05.21`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Except for the filenames with spaces ;) but there were only two.`
`19:10.08`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Yay, I got the other thing to work too.`
`19:10.22`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`s/cheat sheet/email`
`19:10.28`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`s/a/an`
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`19:22.12`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Cool, it worked.`
`19:29.06`	`jsmith`	`elg: You too, eh?`
`19:29.31`	`elg`	`ya`
`19:29.34`	`elg`	`-metar klru`
`19:29.34`	`brac`	`KLRU 291913Z AUTO 26009G23KT 10SM CLR 30/01 A3007 RMK AO2`
`19:29.57`	`elg`	`-metar kpvu`
`19:29.57`	`brac`	`KPVU 291915Z 31007KT 10SM CLR 18/M03 A3013 RMK AO1`
`19:30.05`	`mheath`	`GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.`
`19:30.56`	`levi`	`Uh oh, it looks like mheath is going to blow!`
`19:32.21`	`mheath`	`I am.`
`19:32.26`	`mheath`	`OH, screw him!`
`19:32.31`	`mheath`	`We can make him wait for HOURS for no reason`
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`19:36.02`	`elg`	`-metar jsmith`
`19:36.02`	`brac`	`couldn't find weather data for JSMITH`
`19:36.02`	`mheath`	`I HATE MILITARY MEDICAL. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR`
`19:36.11`	`mheath`	`HOW CAN WE SCREW OVER THIS GUY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE?`
`19:36.30`	`mheath`	`OH, HE'S ALREADY GETTING KICKED OUT, HE'S ALREDY DEPRESSED AS HELL`
`19:36.39`	`mheath`	`LETS MAKE MAJOR DELAYS IN THE PROCESS FOR NO. REASON. WHATSOEVER`
`19:37.11`	`mheath`	`WHILE HE SPENDS ALL DAY WITH PEOPLE WHO CRITIZIE EVERYTHING HE DOES BECAUSE THEY"VE INVENTED THEIR OWN EXPLANATIONS IN THEIR FREAKIN HEAD ABOUT WHATS WRONG WITH HIM.`
`19:37.29`	`mheath`	`I. HATE. THIS. PLACE.`
`19:37.39`	`mheath`	`KICK ME WHEN I'M DOWN.....`
`19:38.07`	`mheath`	`OH, LETS NOT ONLY MAKE DELAYS`
`19:38.17`	`mheath`	`LETS MAKE IT SO HE CAN'T THINK "OH, THIS HAPPENS TO EVERYONE"`
`19:38.27`	`mheath`	`BY GIVING HIM A FRIEND GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME SITUATION, MINUS THE DELAY.`
`19:39.39`	`mheath`	`So`
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`19:39.50`	`mheath`	`They're supposed to be 'waiting on medical'`
`19:40.10`	`mheath`	`Of course, they don't bother to tell me that THE ONLY PERSON AT MEDICAL who knew anything about any of this has been gone for 4 hours!`
`19:41.13`	`mheath`	`I guarantee you this isn't a legitimate delay`
`19:41.20`	`mheath`	`This is just some moron who didn't do what they were supposed to do`
`19:41.32`	`mheath`	`I EVEN ASKED THEM this morning when I saw the doc`
`19:41.46`	`mheath`	`"Do we need to bring back any documentation with us? We just walk into the building and tell them we're getting discharged?"`
`19:41.52`	`mheath`	`Nope, no documentation needed`
`19:42.04`	`mheath`	`First thing when I get in the building "Wheres your documentation?"`
`19:42.19`	`mheath`	`Not only that, but my friend who was at medical at the same time - they've already faxed over HIS stuff`
`19:42.26`	`mheath`	`Mine? MIA`
`19:42.30`	`mheath`	`They're 'checking on it'`
`19:42.49`	`mheath`	`ANd in the military 'checking on it' == "one phone call at 8AM, then let you wait until 4PM with zero followups"`
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`19:51.57`	`Lone_Wanderer_`	`Metallica on four cellos may not be the most awesome music ever, but it does come close.`
`19:52.05`	`Lone_Wanderer_`	`mheath: going to MEPS on Thursday! They took my doctor's letter :D`
`19:52.57`	`mheath`	`Lone_Wanderer_: ABSOLUTELY FREAKING OUTSTANDING.`
`19:53.07`	`mheath`	`LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A GIGANTIC FREAKIN PAT ON THE BACK, SHIPMATE.`
`19:53.16`	`mheath`	`CONGRATUL-FREAKIN-LATIONS!`
`19:53.38`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`This is that thing you call sarcasm, isn't it?`
`19:53.45`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`(mheath, not Tene)`
`19:54.37`	`mheath`	`Yes.`
`19:56.47`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I see.`
`19:56.59`	`mheath`	`Sorry`
`19:57.01`	`mheath`	`I've had a horrible day`
`19:57.08`	`mheath`	`And while you're proclaiming success with medical`
`19:57.15`	`mheath`	`I'm getting repeatedly screwed over today`
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`20:10.28`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`mheath: I understand. I probably shouldn't be rubbing it in your face. Sorry.`
`20:10.40`	`mheath`	`No, in general I wouldn't mind`
`20:10.45`	`mheath`	`but today in particular is really bugging me`
`20:10.50`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`k`
`20:11.02`	`mheath`	`just some stuff that happened..`
`20:16.02`	`rsimpkins`	`what is the command to set tab stops to 4 spaces in vim?`
`20:16.07`	`findlay`	`like wander off alone? ha ha`
`20:16.21`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`cute :p`
`20:16.24`	`findlay`	`shiftwidth, softtabstop, tabstop`
`20:16.34`	`rsimpkins`	`findlay: you have to set all of them?`
`20:16.37`	`findlay`	`shiftround`
`20:16.51`	`findlay`	`possibly depending on what you want to do`
`20:17.01`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Except that part of SFAS (I think that's the one...) is doing a navigation course by night alone.`
`20:17.04`	`rsimpkins`	`I want a doc with 4 space tabs to look right.`
`20:17.39`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`rsimpkins: Usually you just set the tab width to whatever you want, and if it's using tabs instead of spaces then they all get set to X spaces.`
`20:18.02`	`findlay`	`rsimpkins: if you read up on them you will find out which one you need to set`
`20:18.49`	`findlay`	`no way`
`20:18.53`	`findlay`	`2 space tabs!`
`20:19.02`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I like the extra space that 4 gives.`
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`20:19.26`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`So multiply-indented blocks line up more clearly. 2 spaces isn't enough for me to keep them straight.`
`20:19.26`	`findlay`	`I tried 1 space tabs for a little while`
`20:19.29`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`~ralphwiggum`
`20:19.35`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Didn't work for you?`
`20:19.39`	`findlay`	`no`
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`20:19.45`	`sjansen`	`http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2007/05/programmer-interviews-two-warning-signs.html`
`20:19.55`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I like to preserve space too, but... what I already said.`
`20:19.55`	`findlay`	`well it could have, but I wanted a difference between 'tabs' and spaces`
`20:20.31`	`redbeard1`	`~lart sjansen`
`20:20.31`	`ibot`	`chops sjansen in half with a free Solaris 7 CD`
`20:20.59`	`mheath`	`OK, time to install some games on my laptop so I can play over @ DTP.`
`20:21.07`	`findlay`	`~ubuntu mheath`
`20:21.09`	`ibot`	`ACTION lovingly explains to mheath in a way that causes mheath to weep with gratitude that mheath must read the fine, friendly manual`
`20:21.25`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`findlay: why do lessons make you nervous?`
`20:21.47`	`mheath`	`I hate this place.`
`20:21.53`	`mheath`	`Why am I still here?`
`20:22.34`	`findlay`	`Lone_Wanderer: because I haven't practiced enough this week`
`20:22.40`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: the military loves those that hate it.`
`20:22.45`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`ahh, that kind of lesson`
`20:23.04`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: No, the military just hates me.`
`20:23.08`	`mheath`	`I used to love the military.`
`20:23.22`	`mheath`	`Kinda hard to stay motivated when they kick all the motiviation out of you, then continue to kick you while you're down`
`20:23.39`	`mheath`	`Then tell you it's all over, your getting out of here, then proceed to kick you a few last times just for good measure`
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`21:09.55`	`lukfugl`	`sjansen: "the ability to locate reference materials isn't an important criterion in hiring programmers; it's an important criterion in hiring librarians" I disagree`
`21:10.51`	`lukfugl`	`the nature of the field is that you're frequently called on to do things for which you haven't previously trained. knowing how to find out is a key skill`
`21:11.08`	`lukfugl`	`the majority of the post I do agree with, to a point, but I had to call out that sentence :)`
`21:12.08`	`sjansen`	`lukfugl: You missed the whole point of the article: cat pictures.`
`21:12.44`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`lukfugl: ur doin it rong`
`21:13.05`	`lukfugl`	`sjansen: heh, ok.`
`21:18.30`	`mheath`	`OK, I'm kinda in a better mode now.`
`21:18.33`	`mheath`	`Calmed down some`
`21:18.38`	`mheath`	`Sorry about earlier, everyone`
`21:18.48`	`mheath`	`As long as tomorrow isn't a repeat of today, I'll be OK.`
`21:33.40`	`rsimpkins`	`redbeard2: Hi there.`
`21:34.23`	`redbeard2`	`rsimpkins: heya`
`21:35.57`	`elg`	`ok, kernel hackers, listen up. Linux reports the directional hat on joysticks as a pair of axes, which is technically accurate because that's what they are reported as by the joystick (HID)`
`21:35.57`	`rsimpkins`	`elg: axes? Cool.`
`21:35.57`	`elg`	`but they're useless as axes - they're either left/up, center, or right/down. they need to be buttons`
`21:35.57`	`elg`	`axes is plural of axis`
`21:35.57`	`elg`	`the linux kernel folks aren't likely to change it because they have the technical high ground`
`21:36.00`	`elg`	`and it would be wasted effort`
`21:36.10`	`elg`	`x-plane is unlikely to fix it in the near future because they're lazy`
`21:36.31`	`elg`	`as in, they have other priorities and could care less about their linux customers`
`21:36.52`	`elg`	`it occurs to me, it ought to be possible to write some kind of input filter in linux`
`21:36.54`	`Tene`	`And what's the reason for you not doing it?`
`21:37.17`	`elg`	`then I'd have a pseudo joystick with the hat as buttons instead of axes`
`21:37.28`	`rsimpkins`	`http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/axes`
`21:37.38`	`rsimpkins`	`It is plural of axis?`
`21:37.49`	`elg`	`http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/axis`
`21:37.56`	`elg`	`–noun, plural ax·es`
`21:38.12`	`rsimpkins`	`Yeah, but axes as in two or more ax is a lot more interesting!`
`21:38.29`	`rsimpkins`	`axw`
`21:38.31`	`rsimpkins`	`axe`
`21:38.34`	`rsimpkins`	`however you say it.`
`21:40.38`	`elg`	`if I could figure out how to apply the change in joydev.c by name or id or something (rather than by "the third joystick plugged in") I'd do it there, though a userspace solution would be cleaner`
`21:41.54`	`sjansen`	`The plural of ax is axen.`
`21:42.19`	`sjansen`	`Ox:Oxen. Box:Boxen. Ax:Axen.`
`21:42.24`	`sjansen`	`;-)`
`21:42.34`	`elg`	`sjans:sjansen`
`21:42.42`	`sjansen`	`heh`
`21:42.44`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`"Can you write it in C?" "No, but I can write it in linux!"`
`21:42.55`	`Jayce^`	`hrm, it's and sjans`
`21:43.19`	`elg`	`-nick sjaxen`
`21:43.25`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I had a guy once ask me if I could rewrite a Java app in Linux.`
`21:43.36`	`elg`	`Lone_Wanderer: I hope you said you could, for a fee`
`21:43.48`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I gave him a blank look and changed the subject.`
`21:44.02`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Which in retrospect probably was interpreted as "No."`
`21:44.13`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`As opposed to "That question is so stupid I don't know how to answer it."`
`21:46.23`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I just called Minnesota to ask about getting my birth certificate. The recording explained how to get birth, marriage, and death records.`
`21:46.49`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`At the end of the explanation it said "For example, to get a copy of your own death record..."`
`21:49.40`	`bonez39`	`I have a networked color printer at home...I am at work..is it possible to send a print job from work to home and have it ready there when I arrive? I can ssh to my home network...`
`21:50.59`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`bonez39: I'm pretty sure it is. But I don't know how.`
`21:53.02`	`*** join/#utah hatul30 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-7fee60ffeeea7c50)`
`22:02.30`	`bonez39`	`Lone_Wanderer, well, thanks for the encouragement...;)`
`22:09.01`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`bonez39: no problem!`
`22:10.32`	`byronc`	`bonez39: If it's something like a PDF file you could probably just scp it to your box at home and then print it using lpr`
`22:12.01`	`bonez39`	`byronc, well, I want to create a new office door sign..one side shows my hours, contact info...other side, will be "Please Come Back Soon...If you liked the service, tell your friends..if not, tell US..." something like that...but in color...would be created using Gimp or Inkscape..or just OOwriter....`
`22:15.30`	`byronc`	`then you should be able to print that to a postscript or PDF file and then copy it over for printing`
`22:19.12`	`sjansen`	`blink blink byronc?`
`22:19.33`	`byronc`	`howdy sjansen`
`22:19.54`	`sjansen`	`byronc: Don't see you much round these here part.`
`22:20.19`	`byronc`	`yeah, it's been a while`
`22:20.32`	`sjansen`	`~welcome byronc`
`22:20.47`	`ibot`	`Hey, byronc! Glad you could join us.`
`22:21.17`	`sjansen`	`To lart, or not to lart, that is the question.`
`22:21.28`	`elg`	`-lart byronc`
`22:25.12`	`lukfugl`	`~rlart`
`22:25.22`	`ibot`	`shoots ccjoe in his sleep`
`22:25.45`	`lukfugl`	`poor ccjoe`
`22:26.00`	`harleypig`	`~rlart`
`22:26.03`	`ibot`	`does a little 'renice 20 -u mrpull'`
`22:26.25`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`-u?`
`22:26.25`	`brac`	`you best check yo'self!`
`22:27.14`	`harleypig`	`sjansen: Do you think I'd make a bad impression if I asked all sorts of questions about a topic I was going to interview on in the same forum where the people who were interviewing me hang out would be a bad idea?`
`22:27.21`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`hey brac what do u think about daytime talk shows?`
`22:27.32`	`harleypig`	`Hmmm ... mixed up the question there a little bit.`
`22:27.50`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`harleypig: Nah, go for it, but use a pseudonym.`
`22:28.05`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`22:28.19`	`*** join/#utah dkelson (n=dkelson@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com)`
`22:28.22`	`dkelson`	`ya probably`
`22:28.30`	`giphyelrah`	`Will this work?`
`22:28.48`	`giphyelrah`	`meh .. .can't even spell my own name backwords.`
`22:29.17`	`sjansen`	`gipyelrah: : Uhm.... Sorry, busy working.`
`22:29.35`	`sjansen`	`In fact, what'm I doing here? Who started this program? It _certainly_ wasn't me.`
`22:29.50`	`gipyelrah`	`sjansen is a bot?`
`22:29.50`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`kill -9 sjansen's IRC client.`
`22:30.16`	`harleypig`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:30.18`	`harleypig`	`woops`
`22:30.47`	`macnewbold`	`time to change your secret password...`
`22:30.48`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`It's okay, we just saw a bunch of stars. To me it just looked like "/msg nickserv identify mysecretpassword"`
`22:30.56`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`22:31.37`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`See look, I'll type my password: /msg nickserv ident *******`
`22:32.33`	`nick125_lappy`	`Lone_Wanderer: Wow! IRC just keeps getting cooler every day!`
`22:32.42`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Yeah! You try it now!`
`22:33.08`	`nick125_lappy`	`/msg nickserv identify mooblahah`
`22:33.52`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`(insert clever response)`
`22:34.16`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:34.38`	`nick125_lappy`	`lol`
`22:39.17`	`harleypig`	`Hey! Can someone go to blog.harleypig.com and tell me what they see?`
`22:40.22`	`lukfugl`	`harleypig: oh no you don't`
`22:40.28`	`lukfugl`	`you're not tricking me into THAT again...`
`22:40.33`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`22:40.43`	`harleypig`	`my past has caught up with me`
`22:41.27`	`lukfugl`	`no matter how clever you might think it is, animated harleypig-in-a-speedo-under-construction gifs are not cool`
`22:41.31`	`lukfugl`	`they're traumatizing`
`22:41.35`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: I went to blog.harleypig.com and saw your blog.`
`22:41.39`	`lukfugl`	`~speedo rsimpkins`
`22:41.42`	`ibot`	`ACTION stuffs rsimpkins into a harleypig-sized speedo and sends it hurtling down the slip 'n slide.`
`22:41.56`	`rsimpkins`	`lukfugl: didn't see a speedo`
`22:42.19`	`lukfugl`	`he must be doing some AB testing`
`22:42.48`	`harleypig`	`Cool .. so my local dns has the old ip stored. At least I'm back up ... for now ...`
`22:43.00`	`harleypig`	`AB testing?`
`22:43.05`	`harleypig`	`address book?`
`22:43.11`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: local dns server got it cached?`
`22:43.18`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: A/B Testing`
`22:43.45`	`harleypig`	`For thelife of me ... I'm drwing a blank on that,but it feels like I should know that.`
`22:44.01`	`rsimpkins`	`Do you like version A or version B?`
`22:44.03`	`harleypig`	`rsimpkins: Yeah, looks like it, but my remote server is returning the same old ip as well.`
`22:44.23`	`harleypig`	`oh gawd ... sometimes I can be dense. thanks rsimpkins`
`22:44.29`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: lame server maybe.`
`22:47.00`	`rsimpkins`	`Sadly putting "harleypig speedo" in to google doesn't return anything interesting bug some IRC logs.`
`22:47.07`	`rsimpkins`	`*but`
`22:48.13`	`lukfugl`	`rsimpkins: yeah, is a running hypothethically. thankfully, I don't think the real thing has ever been documented`
`22:48.28`	`lukfugl`	`s/hypothetically/hypothetical/`
`22:49.08`	`harleypig`	`so how can I tell my windows box to re-request the ip address?`
`22:49.18`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: ipconfig`
`22:49.31`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: ipconfig /release; ipconfig /renew is what I like to do.`
`22:50.27`	`mheath`	`Someone want to explain to me why I'm still here? Cause I'm still trying to figure this out.`
`22:51.08`	`lukfugl`	`mheath: because you're not someplace else?`
`22:51.19`	`mheath`	`I'm going insane`
`22:51.24`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: Because you volunteered.`
`22:51.39`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: Volunteered to have medical screw me over for no reason?`
`22:51.47`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: Yes.`
`22:52.05`	`mheath`	`The thing that angers me is, I'm betting tomorrow will be just like today`
`22:52.16`	`mheath`	`"Still waiting on medical, we'll check on that for you..."`
`22:52.51`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: I thought a soldier at your level was essentially supposed to take whatever they gave you - no matter how crappy - and like it?`
`22:52.55`	`mheath`	`10 hours later "Nope, didn't hear back from them....."`
`22:53.11`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: The military is also supposed to follow doctors orders.`
`22:53.30`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: They will. Eventually.`
`22:53.41`	`mheath`	`Heh, the eventually part is PART of the doctors orders`
`22:53.49`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: The doctor ordered that my discharge be expedicious.`
`22:53.59`	`mheath`	`I'm being held up (over a day now) for no reason`
`22:54.05`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: You do realize you are talking about the goverment here, right?`
`22:54.29`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: I'd usually think its just the government being slow`
`22:54.33`	`mheath`	`But I have a control`
`22:54.47`	`mheath`	`My friend is going through almost the exact same thing, exact same days (my last doctor appointment was actually before his)`
`22:54.53`	`mheath`	`He's already halfway outprocessed`
`22:55.07`	`mheath`	`They left me sitting there for hours today, while he was doing all his paperwork.`
`22:55.09`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: Sounds like a goverment job alright.`
`22:55.26`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: Tomorrow they are going to yell at you for not having your paper work done.`
`22:55.52`	`mheath`	`I got yelled at today for not having paperwork that I was specifically told I don't need`
`22:56.13`	`mheath`	`At medical: "Are you sure you don't need me to bring back any paperwork?" "Nope"`
`22:56.16`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: ha! Everyone knows that EVERYTHING in the miliary requires paper work. Even using the bathroom! :)`
`22:56.31`	`mheath`	`AT NNPTC: "Wheres the paperwork you should have brought back?"`
`22:56.39`	`mheath`	`"We'll go check on that"`
`22:56.49`	`lukfugl`	`< 1 week probably still qualifies as "expeditious" (note the spelling) for the gub'mint`
`22:56.57`	`elg`	`maybe you're thecontrol`
`22:56.59`	`mheath`	`In the military, "We'll go check on that" means "We'll make one phone call, which will get us a busy signal, and then forget about you for the following 10 hours."`
`22:57.01`	`*** join/#utah harleypig (n=IceChat7@177.239.sfcn.org)`
`22:57.27`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: If you don't follow up, then it must not be important. :)`
`22:57.40`	`mheath`	`No, the thing that REALLYannoys me is what he said this morning`
`22:58.01`	`mheath`	`He was threatening to mast me for "being UA for 4 days' because I didn't check in after my doc appointment on Friday`
`22:58.29`	`mheath`	`Said something to the effect of "We had to get stated on this RIGHT AWAY! We're required to get you out of here in X amount of time, and you waited for 4 days before talking to us!"`
`22:58.35`	`mheath`	`Makes it sound like its so horrible that I left them waiting`
`22:58.39`	`mheath`	`then turns around and ignores me for like 10 hours`
`22:58.54`	`rsimpkins`	`mheath: probably on purpose.`
`23:02.17`	`harleypig`	`rsimpkins: I tried relesae and renew earlier and just now again but it didn't work.`
`23:12.14`	`herlo`	`Jayce^: ping`
`23:12.54`	`herlo`	`Jayce^: nm`
`23:18.16`	`rsimpkins`	`harleypig: Is the DHCP server jacked?`
`23:22.18`	`mheath`	`rsimpkins: No. Because, again, my friend was also getting chewed out for the same reasons.`
`23:24.41`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`mheath: Is it acceptable to say, to someone of higher rank than you who says "No, you don't need (a stamp, paperwork, whatever)", "Okay, fine, but can I have your name so I can refer to you just in case something comes up?"`
`23:25.15`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Like say if you had gone somewhere to check in after your appointment and the desk sgt. said "No, you don't need to check in, the paperwork will just come through."`
`23:27.19`	`elg`	`I love doing that`
`23:27.28`	`elg`	`nicely of course`
`23:27.43`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`lol`
`23:27.49`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I love the "Not a Bug" option.`
`23:28.04`	`elg`	`"icant do that`
`23:28.04`	`elg`	`i have to use what is reported "`
`23:28.11`	`elg`	`(the joystick events)`
`23:28.16`	`elg`	`so I sent him some pseudocode`
`23:28.19`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`ahh, yes, the joystick`
`23:28.25`	`elg`	`and told him I bet he could (in so many nicer words)`
`23:28.57`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`he has to use what is reported by the hardware?`
`23:29.12`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`btw, how hard is it to write a device driver? I've been thinking about trying it, just to be able to say I've done it.`
`23:31.11`	`elg`	`well what is reported by the linux kernel`
`23:31.11`	`harleypig`	`Lone_Wanderer: Depends on the device and how well documented it is and how much documentation you can get your hands on.`
`23:31.11`	`elg`	`which is different from what is reported by the windows device driver`
`23:31.18`	`elg`	`but is _not_ different from what the device itself reports`
`23:31.19`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`harleypig: Is there a standard "starter" device that people generally tackle first?`
`23:31.31`	`elg`	`these days, usb`
`23:31.43`	`harleypig`	`Not that I'm aware of.`
`23:32.02`	`harleypig`	`Ok ... now my page has something besides "You made it!"`
`23:32.10`	`elg`	`http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7353`
`23:32.10`	`harleypig`	`It's still not really anything useful though.`
`23:35.01`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`thanks elg`
`23:38.03`	`harleypig`	`argh ... isn't the favicon supposed to be in whatever www.harleypig.com maps to?`
`23:39.32`	`elg`	`what's your favicon? a thong?`
`23:39.48`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`23:40.00`	`harleypig`	`No, just a stylized pig.`
`23:40.23`	`nick125_lappy`	`you might want to make something a tad bit more simple than that, so you can see what it is`
`23:47.16`	`mheath`	`sigh`
`23:47.27`	`mheath`	`As long as tomorrow goes like today should have gone, I'll be OK.`
`23:47.40`	`mheath`	`If it doesn't, I think I'm going to crack.`

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