| 00:00.27 | mheath | < Lone_Wanderer> mheath: So I talked to my recruiter and changed my MOS to 18D. |
| 00:00.41 | mheath | Speak English, please. I don't speak Army. |
| 00:01.09 | Lone_Wanderer | MOS is universal innit? |
| 00:01.15 | Lone_Wanderer | 18D is special forces medical sgt. |
| 00:01.27 | mheath | That tells me about as much as it tells you if I say that I am an EM FN currently at NFAS (NNPTC) |
| 00:01.30 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: ah |
| 00:01.54 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: the term MOS is universal, the numbers are not. USMC (the only one I'm remotely familiar with, and even then not really), uses a different system |
| 00:02.19 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 00:02.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I read more about what you have to do at SFAS (special forces assessment and screening I think is what that means) |
| 00:03.06 | Lone_Wanderer | and none of it is anything I haven't done before (albeit when I was much younger) |
| 00:03.19 | mheath | OK. Cool. If you want to go for it, I'm not going to stop it. |
| 00:03.21 | mheath | *to stop you |
| 00:03.35 | mheath | And hell, if you really want to go for it, nothing I said would stop you |
| 00:03.50 | mheath | I was so attached to the idea of going Marine Corps Infantry! |
| 00:03.54 | mheath | which is cool |
| 00:04.10 | mheath | But I since realized that I also passed up some really cool opportunities because I got so excited about that one idea |
| 00:04.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Like what? |
| 00:05.14 | mheath | Big one: I was handed a USMC ROTC scholarship, and I passed that up because I was so set on being _*ENLISTED USMC INFANTRY*_ |
| 00:05.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. Yeah. |
| 00:05.31 | Lone_Wanderer | That is kind of a big thing to give up :p |
| 00:07.22 | mheath | So, yah, tomorrow may be the doctor appointment that makes the decision that I'm going to be discharged from the United States Navy. |
| 00:07.31 | mheath | If not tomorrow, then the doc appointment on Friday. |
| 00:07.38 | Lone_Wanderer | :( |
| 00:08.08 | mheath | I am geting tired of non-Doctors assuming they know whats wrong with me and making really stupid assumptions based on it. |
| 00:08.25 | dna3e8 | u r sick |
| 00:08.31 | mheath | I have a chief who is treating me like crap because he is somehow convinced I'm trying to get out of the military by lieing about knee problems. |
| 00:08.35 | Lone_Wanderer | omg get ovar it! |
| 00:08.46 | dna3e8 | ... house can fix it... |
| 00:08.54 | Lone_Wanderer | if u just think reel hard u can get bettar! |
| 00:08.56 | dna3e8 | in an hour long episode |
| 00:09.13 | Lone_Wanderer | u just dont have enouf confidance in urself! |
| 00:09.19 | mheath | He seems to overlook the fact that I've been having a lot of depression related to that, to the point where I was committed by court order to a mental health hospital for suicidal intentions related to anxiety about BEING KICKED OUT. |
| 00:09.29 | Lone_Wanderer | just think "I am strogn and happy!" and u will be okay! |
| 00:11.06 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Indeed. Thats the answer to all your problems! |
| 00:11.20 | Lone_Wanderer | omg i no have u read The Secret?? |
| 00:12.00 | mheath | This kid needs to stop bothering me. |
| 00:12.13 | mheath | Someone told a kid who just transfered to the command and lives in the room next to mine that I have wireless internet |
| 00:12.27 | mheath | And he's been bugging me periodically for the wireless key. |
| 00:12.28 | Tene | mheath: I suggest murder |
| 00:12.38 | mheath | Tene: Tried that on myself, didn't work too well. |
| 00:12.46 | Tene | no, on the other kid |
| 00:12.51 | mheath | Hah, I'm so....not focused right now.... |
| 00:13.02 | mheath | Someone who hadn't seen me in a while was talking to me today |
| 00:13.05 | Tene | mheath: tell him that if he can crack the wireless key himself he can have access... and then just change it on him if he does. |
| 00:13.20 | Lone_Wanderer | If he can crack it once, he can do it again in a couple of minutes. |
| 00:13.21 | mheath | Says "What happened to you? You used to be so....with it. Now it's like you just don't care about anything." |
| 00:16.23 | mheath | heh. |
| 00:16.28 | mheath | My life is so horrible now. |
| 00:16.41 | mheath | Hey, can any probate court stuff show up on a background check? |
| 00:17.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know. |
| 00:17.03 | mheath | They commited me by probate court order when I went |
| 00:17.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Do a background check on yourself and see what comes up. |
| 00:17.26 | mheath | Which is BS and completely unnecessary (I was reffered by a military doctor; I was legally obligated to do what they said with or without a court order) |
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| 00:42.05 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 01:17.37 | calvarez | hullo |
| 01:40.31 | dna3e8 | Is the a 'secure' way to start a ssh tunnel from a shell script? |
| 01:41.09 | vontrapp | secure from what? |
| 01:42.12 | dna3e8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.45 | jnielsen | you should never put passwords you care about in a command line, at least |
| 01:43.55 | jnielsen | although ssh just prompts you on its own so that shouldn't be an issue |
| 01:44.14 | jnielsen | or you can just use DSA certificates for authentication and avoid passwords altogether |
| 01:44.29 | dna3e8 | but i need the script o supply the password (for ssh tunnel that the script opens) |
| 01:44.49 | dna3e8 | I need a script to open a ssh tunnel |
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| 01:45.42 | dna3e8 | do dsa certs need 3rd party authentication |
| 01:45.52 | dna3e8 | ~are you ok ibot? |
| 01:46.24 | dna3e8 | ~how r you |
| 01:48.01 | jnielsen | dna3e8: you create an ID on machine A and add it to the "authorized_keys" file on machine B. after that authentication can be passwordless |
| 01:48.46 | dna3e8 | is the seperat from RSA keys i get notices about? |
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| 01:50.24 | dna3e8 | Do DSA cert's use ssl? |
| 01:50.26 | jnielsen | http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200205/sshprimer.html is a pretty good overview |
| 01:50.36 | dna3e8 | thanks |
| 01:50.41 | brac | [Daemon News '200205' : '"SSH Primer |
| 01:50.41 | brac | "'] |
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| 01:53.34 | nick125_lappy | Did I ever say that Qwest is a bunch of f***ing idiots? |
| 01:53.52 | nick125_lappy | I currently have no dial tone |
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| 02:00.36 | dna3e8 | jnielsen: Is "dsa cert' difrent then ssh keys... |
| 02:01.16 | nick125_lappy | Finally the phones are working now. |
| 02:01.18 | jnielsen | dna3e8: ssh keys are what I meant when I said dsa cert |
| 02:03.50 | dna3e8 | Is it a big risk to use a ssh key that was not created with a password? |
| 02:04.10 | nick125_lappy | dna3e8: I guess it depends on who you ask. |
| 02:04.12 | dna3e8 | one of the computer is a public web server |
| 02:04.39 | dna3e8 | ----> goozbach.... |
| 02:05.36 | dna3e8 | Is root the only one that need access to the key files? |
| 02:07.51 | nick125_lappy | dna3e8: I think SSH keys are supposed to be 700 to the user of the SSH key |
| 02:10.02 | dna3e8 | could i pass a password for the key, from a shell script? |
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| 02:13.39 | nick125_lappy | dna3e8: Not sure....good question though |
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| 02:23.26 | dna3e8 | the document dosn't say where to the rsa key? |
| 02:24.51 | nick125_lappy | The private key is usually stored in ~/.ssh/id_rsa; public key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 02:25.44 | dna3e8 | and the rsa and dsa keys are different.. |
| 02:27.13 | nick125_lappy | what do you mean they are different? |
| 02:28.30 | dna3e8 | rsa stuff is not there, but some dsa stuff is there |
| 02:28.45 | nick125_lappy | You might have created a DSA key, not a RSA key |
| 02:28.51 | nick125_lappy | I think DSA is default |
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| 03:23.15 | dna3e8 | yeah for ssh keys |
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| 03:33.28 | dna3e8 | how do is a control charcter (ie a^)put in a shell script? |
| 03:35.16 | zzzirk | depends on your editor, but in vi you use a control-V as an escape character to tell vi to insert the next character literally |
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| 04:09.11 | graphyx | what is the wget command to not download a file on a recursive download if you already have that file? |
| 04:10.24 | byronc | graphyx: I think --no-clobber is what you're looking for |
| 04:11.05 | graphyx | ok |
| 04:11.52 | graphyx | great thanks. |
| 04:12.01 | herlo | graphyx: you could also use -c |
| 04:12.10 | graphyx | ok |
| 04:16.53 | byronc | ummm... doesn't -c mean continue, as in 'continue partially downloaded files'? |
| 04:17.25 | byronc | from wget(1): You need to be especially careful of this when using -c in conjunction with -r, since every file will be considered as an "incomplete download" candidate. |
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| 04:46.42 | spr | herlo: you around? |
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| 04:57.51 | herlo | spr: yeah |
| 04:57.57 | herlo | spr: what's up? |
| 04:58.13 | spr | I had some utosc questions for ya |
| 04:59.15 | herlo | shoot |
| 04:59.21 | spr | basically there is a chance I might be able to make it out, and wanted to see if you needed an extra presenter or help. |
| 04:59.43 | spr | I won't actually know for sure for about a week |
| 05:00.14 | herlo | yes and yes |
| 05:00.45 | spr | excellent. |
| 05:02.48 | herlo | spr: we always need help and we could use a few more presenters... |
| 05:03.40 | spr | I won't commit to a presentation until I know I'll be able to come out, but if you want to get me back on the planning list... |
| 05:04.54 | herlo | spr: I'd love to do that... |
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| 05:24.05 | vontrapp | so does anyone know where that vortex factory outlet place is in salt lake? |
| 05:24.40 | orlo | ah the old vortex ... |
| 05:32.31 | vontrapp | so you know where it is? |
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| 05:47.31 | orlo | it was a dance club |
| 05:54.17 | sontek | http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=404+S+West+Temple,+Salt+Lake+City,+UT+84101+(Vortex)+%4040.760560,-111.893930&saddr=salt+lake+city,+ut&f=d&hl=en&dq=vortex+loc%3A+salt+lake+city,+ut&cid=40760560,-111893930,17310535220343257488&ie=UTF8&ll=40.760635,-111.893917&spn=0.001461,0.003583&z=19&iwloc=end&om=1 |
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| 07:22.45 | levi_home | Gah, can't sleep. |
| 07:29.28 | Tene | frogs will eat you? |
| 07:32.58 | levi_home | No, the clowns will eat me. |
| 07:33.08 | Tene | What will the frogs do? |
| 07:33.15 | levi_home | Croak. |
| 07:33.23 | Tene | Oh. |
| 08:18.53 | dna3e8 | sup |
| 08:20.29 | Tene | hi |
| 08:20.49 | dna3e8 | wow someone is here ... |
| 10:35.47 | mheath | Morning. |
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| 13:29.17 | ^Migs^ | this is crazy: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/06/01/100050989/index.htm |
| 13:29.26 | brac | [Kevin Ham, the $300 million master of Web domains - June 1, 2007] |
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| 14:03.22 | ^Migs^ | anyone want a free (AR) webcam? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826158039&ATT=26158039&CMP=AFC-SlickDeals |
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| 14:06.34 | elg | all hail the new guru |
| 14:07.08 | redbeard2 | wow! king of the echo people AND guru, all in the same day! |
| 14:13.09 | herlo | redbeard2: you rock! |
| 14:13.14 | herlo | herlo: you rock! |
| 14:13.19 | herlo | elg: you roll! |
| 14:13.43 | herlo | sorry, somebody has to have the roll |
| 14:26.35 | findlay | ~guru redbeard2 |
| 14:26.55 | redbeard2 | ~help guru |
| 14:27.15 | redbeard2 | huh: (08:26:36) ibot: no help on guru. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 14:27.32 | herlo | ~help help |
| 14:27.45 | herlo | ~help |
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| 14:36.30 | herlo | :) |
| 14:37.57 | redbeard2 | with fozz and harley around here, this place is just turning into a regular barnyard |
| 14:44.34 | jayceh | mmm, rolls |
| 14:50.01 | graphyx | jayceh: You were asking about our house hunt yesterday. |
| 14:50.13 | graphyx | You have any good info or just curious? |
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| 15:09.07 | graphyx | anyone want some good web app security experience? |
| 15:09.12 | graphyx | and have a server? |
| 15:09.25 | elg | ibot does |
| 15:09.34 | ibot | rumour has it, does is the present third singular of do |
| 15:10.47 | elg | no use trying to distract us ibot |
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| 15:11.25 | graphyx | I thought that he lived on a server more than had a server. |
| 15:16.58 | findlay | just to freak people out |
| 15:17.58 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here use asterisk 1.4.x? |
| 15:21.17 | elg | ya |
| 15:22.07 | nick125_lappy | Stable? Anything really new or cool over 1.2.x? |
| 15:22.28 | elg | stable. there are cool things |
| 15:22.45 | nick125_lappy | Can you give a quick overview of anything that is really really cool? |
| 15:24.12 | elg | better sip support |
| 15:26.01 | nick125_lappy | What's the upgrade path from 1.2.x to 1.4.x? |
| 15:26.16 | nick125_lappy | Would it be better to just start over on configurations? |
| 15:26.45 | elg | no, there's an UPGRADE.txt that tells you all you need to know |
| 15:26.50 | elg | you shouldn't have to change much |
| 15:27.03 | findlay | ~convert 1 pt to centimeters |
| 15:27.03 | elg | esp. if you paid attention to deprecations in 1.2 |
| 15:27.15 | findlay | ~convert 1 pt to inches |
| 15:27.31 | nick125_lappy | elg: If my configs are crap, would it be worth it? :p |
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| 15:28.35 | elg | rewriting configs is always a worthy excercise, until you reach config nirvana |
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| 15:29.04 | nick125_lappy | (I've wanted to redo my configs for a while, mainly because they won't scale well when I start adding my friends and their friends to my server) |
| 15:32.01 | nick125_lappy | elg: Any ideas on how to write a scalable config file that would make it easy to remove/add features to an "account" (or TA) |
| 15:32.15 | elg | TA? |
| 15:32.31 | nick125_lappy | telephone adapters, I don't have any IP phones :( |
| 15:32.31 | elg | #utaug is a better venue for this discussion |
| 15:32.37 | elg | oh ATA :) |
| 15:33.05 | nick125_lappy | (A)TA |
| 15:37.17 | ^Migs^ | my old company used to have a Playstation in the office. I wish we had one here. |
| 15:37.46 | graphyx | go get one. |
| 15:37.55 | ^Migs^ | I wonder if people would be willing to chip in |
| 15:38.07 | graphyx | playstations are cheap |
| 15:38.12 | graphyx | how much would you need? |
| 15:38.19 | graphyx | unless you mean a 2 or a 3 |
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| 15:51.40 | rsimpkins | We have 4 xbox 360s. and a room full of gaming PCs |
| 15:51.51 | rsimpkins | pretty cool room actually. |
| 15:51.53 | graphyx | rsimpkins: that at omniture? |
| 15:51.57 | graphyx | seen it. |
| 15:52.01 | rsimpkins | graphyx: yeah, it's cool huh? |
| 15:52.04 | graphyx | yeah |
| 15:52.09 | graphyx | they really did it up a lot. |
| 15:52.13 | rsimpkins | graphyx: have you seen our 360s in our 'lofg' |
| 15:52.16 | rsimpkins | 'loft'? |
| 15:52.20 | graphyx | made me laugh a bit |
| 15:52.22 | graphyx | no. |
| 15:52.25 | graphyx | just the computers, |
| 15:52.34 | rsimpkins | Yeah, we have a new employee hang out area. |
| 15:52.38 | graphyx | cool |
| 15:52.44 | graphyx | I did like the pool table |
| 15:52.53 | rsimpkins | we have two now. :) |
| 15:52.56 | graphyx | though jsmith kicked my butt every game. |
| 15:53.06 | rsimpkins | I think he played too much. ;) |
| 15:54.00 | rsimpkins | i'm horrible at pool, but I can kick some trash in UT2003 |
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| 16:03.11 | herlo | ~guru jsmith |
| 16:03.41 | jsmith | ~zap herlo |
| 16:03.44 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives herlo a good jolt. |
| 16:04.11 | herlo | jsmith: I was saying you were a guru at what you do, why'd you go and hurt me? |
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| 16:06.20 | jsmith | herlo: I ain't all that and a bag of chips |
| 16:06.35 | herlo | jsmith: if you say so... |
| 16:06.49 | herlo | mr. I write asterisk books |
| 16:06.57 | findlay | liquid octane brake bearings! |
| 16:06.57 | jsmith | I thought you were trying to "guru" me |
| 16:07.13 | herlo | jsmith: nah, I though you were a guru in your own right |
| 16:07.21 | herlo | or is that write? |
| 16:12.00 | herlo | jsmith: is zooomr working for you? |
| 16:12.28 | herlo | I can't get to my account and there's no info about an upgrade or anything. They mentioned something about a Mark III demo |
| 16:14.15 | jsmith | Nope |
| 16:14.18 | jsmith | Looks like they broke it |
| 16:14.34 | jsmith | And all my backup photos went to the giant bit bucket in the sky when my hard drive died |
| 16:17.59 | ^Migs^ | what happens if you take out a personal loan with a 4% interest rate and put it into an online savings account with a 5% interest rate? |
| 16:18.25 | ^Migs^ | am I missing something here? |
| 16:20.28 | herlo | jsmith: that bites |
| 16:20.40 | herlo | I am guessing it'll come back.... |
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| 16:20.52 | herlo | and I really liked zooomr too |
| 16:21.10 | tensai | ^Migs^: loan origination fees, savings account fees, early termination fees. other than that it sounds like it might work. |
| 16:21.31 | ^Migs^ | plenty of online banks don't have any fees |
| 16:21.35 | elg | not to mention finding a personal loan with a lower interest rate than your savings account |
| 16:21.37 | ^Migs^ | and America First doesn't |
| 16:21.45 | ^Migs^ | I HAVE a personal loan at 4% |
| 16:22.08 | ^Migs^ | and ingdirect has savings accounts at 4.6%, HSBC is at 5.05% |
| 16:22.14 | ^Migs^ | etc. |
| 16:22.19 | elg | have at it then |
| 16:22.22 | tensai | it's no different than what banks do which is take out loans from their customers at 2.5% and invest it in homes/cars/boats at 6% |
| 16:22.28 | ^Migs^ | the returns wouldn't be worth the effort, unless I were a millionaire |
| 16:22.35 | ^Migs^ | that's true enough |
| 16:23.06 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I wouldn't mind temporarily dinging my credit for, say, a 6-month loan that had a return of $10,000 using this scheme |
| 16:24.27 | levi | ^Migs^: If you want to play games like that... 0% interest credit cards. |
| 16:24.44 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 16:24.46 | ^Migs^ | omg |
| 16:24.53 | ^Migs^ | better yet, this process could be AUTOMATED |
| 16:25.12 | ^Migs^ | automatically apply for and receive credit cards with 0% interest for a year. Pay it off in 6 months, BAM |
| 16:27.00 | findlay | has anybody ever used the svg output from graphviz? |
| 16:27.30 | tensai | you usually don't get 0% on cash advances, just on purchases |
| 16:27.41 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 16:27.59 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure there's a credit card SOMEWHERE that would allow that, I wouldn't expect it to be commonplace |
| 16:28.13 | ^Migs^ | and you could only do it once per card |
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| 16:28.40 | levi | tensai: No, you usually get 0% on balance transfers. |
| 16:28.43 | ^Migs^ | you could easily make $100+ on a $5000 cash advance that way |
| 16:29.09 | levi | But usually not on cash advances. |
| 16:29.15 | tensai | levi: ah, ok |
| 16:29.20 | nick125_lappy | Not really worth the hassle for $100+ |
| 16:29.29 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 16:29.40 | ^Migs^ | that's a peculiar fact sociologists have long recognized. |
| 16:29.56 | ^Migs^ | theoretically, humans should want money at ANY point if it's free |
| 16:30.02 | ^Migs^ | but here you say free money isn't worth it |
| 16:30.15 | levi | Well, there's some amount of 'work' involved. |
| 16:30.18 | findlay | is it really free? |
| 16:30.18 | nick125_lappy | time is worth money |
| 16:30.20 | ^Migs^ | not really |
| 16:30.32 | ^Migs^ | just fill out an application form. takes 5 minutes. |
| 16:30.44 | ^Migs^ | this is why I said the process should be automated somehow, though |
| 16:30.50 | levi | ^Migs^: You've got to pay the monthly minimum amount on the card, too. |
| 16:30.55 | findlay | some people think everything can be monetized |
| 16:31.01 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 16:31.02 | findlay | I think that's foolish |
| 16:31.08 | ^Migs^ | but that's not too bad |
| 16:31.53 | ^Migs^ | 5% of $5000 would be $250 - whatever is taken out from monthly payments, so you could accumulate that much over a year with a 0% interest credit card, then just pay it completely off before the interest kicks in |
| 16:33.06 | levi | pay off = balance transfer to another 0% card. |
| 16:33.31 | levi | Doing it repeatedly could be harmful to your credit, I suppose. |
| 16:35.20 | levi | My fingertips are raw from laying tile this morning. |
| 16:35.52 | findlay | my fingertips are stiff and hurt from practicing for 5.5 hours yesterday |
| 16:36.12 | levi | What were you practicing? |
| 16:36.23 | findlay | my viola |
| 16:36.52 | findlay | and I'm going at it again today :/ |
| 16:37.30 | levi | I need to fix up my wife's viola. |
| 16:37.43 | levi | It was ravaged by a rampaging niece. |
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| 16:38.00 | findlay | levi: I'd take it to Stan Hooper |
| 16:38.12 | findlay | he lives in Sandy |
| 16:38.15 | levi | She took it into the bathroom while we weren't watching her, broke some strings, and pulled a bunch of hair out of the bow. |
| 16:38.26 | findlay | I don't trust anybody more for instrument repairs |
| 16:38.43 | ^Migs^ | hahaha: http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Fiendship-of-Rocky-Checketts_W0QQitemZ290120133328QQihZ019QQcategoryZ47134QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:38.46 | levi | Does he have a store, or does he work from home? |
| 16:39.11 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | boomshakalakalakaboom |
| 16:39.17 | findlay | he used to work at Riverton Music, but I think he's at Peter Prier now. I'd take it ridectly to his house |
| 16:39.33 | findlay | s/rid/dir/ |
| 16:39.34 | elg | leave it on the porch with a note and maybe a bomb attached |
| 16:39.37 | elg | that always works well |
| 16:39.59 | levi | Apparently you know the guy. I'm not in the habit of taking musical instruments to the homes of complete strangers. |
| 16:40.08 | findlay | heh |
| 16:40.32 | findlay | well, you could call him first |
| 16:47.16 | findlay | a bow rehair usually costs $50-100 |
| 17:03.16 | ^Migs^ | what's a good web-based collaborative tool that lets users upload files and discuss things via a forum? |
| 17:07.36 | findlay | ^Migs^: why don't you code one up really fast? :) |
| 17:08.18 | ^Migs^ | might not be a bad idea, frankly |
| 17:08.33 | ^Migs^ | I always prefer to turn to FOSS solutions first |
| 17:08.48 | ^Migs^ | well, not always |
| 17:08.51 | ^Migs^ | but usually |
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| 17:19.46 | levi | findlay: Maybe I'll get that done after we finish selling our condo, buying a house, and moving. |
| 17:25.46 | graphyx | ok who is a big RoR fan? |
| 17:26.26 | levi | I think hans uses it. |
| 17:33.48 | levi | Hey, Wencor is hiring. That name always makes me chuckle. |
| 17:36.10 | graphyx | lol. |
| 17:37.27 | elg | hehe. what are they hiring for? |
| 17:38.02 | levi | A database monkey, apparently. |
| 17:38.21 | levi | PEARL experience preferred. ;) |
| 17:38.27 | elg | haha |
| 17:39.28 | nick125_lappy | Pearl...mm |
| 17:39.46 | lukfugl | graphyx: *fan* might be a strong term (I'll admit to many rails flaws), but I do use it and can probably answer questions |
| 17:40.53 | graphyx | lukfugl: I was thinking about putting together a pen test framework. |
| 17:41.03 | graphyx | that would allow for access to external plugins |
| 17:41.13 | lukfugl | "pen test" ? |
| 17:41.24 | graphyx | penetration testing |
| 17:41.28 | lukfugl | ah |
| 17:41.31 | graphyx | external security auditing. |
| 17:42.22 | graphyx | the goal would be to have a framework that would store the information and also connect to command line apps to preform tests and add the results to the interface. |
| 17:42.32 | graphyx | I mean to the data in the framework. |
| 17:44.02 | graphyx | that seem like something that RoR can do and do easily? |
| 17:45.17 | lukfugl | I'm confused, is the RoR application the one being penetrated? |
| 17:45.42 | lukfugl | or is it driving the penetration test into another system? |
| 17:46.35 | lukfugl | and do you need it to be a web application? (using a full RoR stack for a non-web-app is like using PHP for something other than a personal home page ;) |
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| 17:49.21 | graphyx | I was thinking web app |
| 17:49.25 | graphyx | to attack other sites. |
| 17:49.29 | graphyx | driving. |
| 17:49.45 | graphyx | making it a very easy to add plugins. |
| 17:49.52 | graphyx | like metasploit. |
| 17:50.24 | lukfugl | what format would a plugin take? |
| 17:50.39 | lukfugl | added at the codebase level, or added through the webapp? |
| 17:51.06 | graphyx | don't know |
| 17:51.13 | graphyx | probably code level |
| 17:51.18 | graphyx | but with an app manager |
| 17:51.36 | graphyx | I am just throwing out ideas. |
| 17:52.59 | lukfugl | should be doable. I'm guessing the actual execution of penetration attempts will take you beyond rails fabled "convention over configuration", so there'll be work involved, but Ruby or external calls to shell scripts should handle it fine |
| 17:53.16 | graphyx | that is what I was thinking |
| 17:53.32 | graphyx | a system call with parameters from the web app . |
| 17:53.45 | lukfugl | http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117965714.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2564 |
| 17:53.52 | brac | [Variety.com - He-Man returns to big screen] |
| 17:54.49 | elg | he man was on the big screen? |
| 17:54.57 | lukfugl | in '87 apparently |
| 17:55.02 | graphyx | wow. |
| 17:55.27 | graphyx | are they going to follow the meme and call it he-man returns (begins...) |
| 17:56.10 | ^Migs^ | you don't remember the Masters of the Universe movie? |
| 17:56.18 | ^Migs^ | that was a sweet movie |
| 17:56.51 | graphyx | so was tron |
| 17:56.58 | graphyx | but it wouldn't make it these days. |
| 17:57.23 | ^Migs^ | lol: The story was hatched by Marks and Neil Ellice, the latter of whom will co-produce. Silver Pictures, which is turning the Japanese animated series "Speed Racer" into a live-action film to be directed by Larry and Andy Wachowski, sparked to the potential. |
| 17:57.38 | ^Migs^ | there's a game called Tron 2.0 which came out recently |
| 17:58.27 | lukfugl | did it make it out? I heard about it, but thought it was still vaporware |
| 17:59.50 | ^Migs^ | no, I've played it |
| 17:59.53 | ^Migs^ | it's.....okay |
| 18:00.08 | ^Migs^ | got boring |
| 18:01.11 | levi | Masters of the Universe had Dolph Lundgren in it. |
| 18:02.02 | ^Migs^ | sure did |
| 18:02.13 | ^Migs^ | as far as I'm concerned, Dolph will ALWAYS be He-Man |
| 18:02.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Masters of the Universe as in He-Man? |
| 18:02.21 | ^Migs^ | it also had Courtney Cox |
| 18:02.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I went into a coffee shop the other day that had "Buy the Power of Greyskull" on their board. |
| 18:02.50 | spr | I have the power! |
| 18:05.01 | findlay | sure, justify it :) |
| 18:05.11 | Lone_Wanderer | justify? |
| 18:05.15 | findlay | did you see her? Was she cute? |
| 18:05.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I did in fact meet her and she was both cute (as I already knew) and friendly. |
| 18:05.35 | levi | For some reason, I confuse Dolph Lundgren with Rutger Hauer. |
| 18:05.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd actually seen her before, but because of the circumstances I couldn't introduce myself properly. |
| 18:06.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Luckily the girl I was at the event with knew over half the people there, and was able to ask around for me. |
| 18:06.28 | Lone_Wanderer | (the 48 hour film festival) |
| 18:07.01 | findlay | oh sure, you're just after cute, friendly girls |
| 18:07.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed I am. |
| 18:07.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Not just cute, friendly girls though. Cute, friendly redheads. |
| 18:07.55 | findlay | well, that will reduce you queryset somewhat |
| 18:08.03 | findlay | if that's what you're after |
| 18:08.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. |
| 18:08.22 | findlay | my roomate, for example, has taken a high-volume, low quality approach |
| 18:08.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Generally speaking, I do prefer redheads, but that certainly doesn't preclude my dating girls who do not have red hair. |
| 18:08.28 | findlay | he won't ask out a girl more than once |
| 18:08.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ?? |
| 18:08.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Why not? |
| 18:08.37 | findlay | even if she says no, or can't |
| 18:08.42 | findlay | I'm not sure |
| 18:08.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, wait... |
| 18:08.53 | Lone_Wanderer | He won't go on more than one date with a girl? |
| 18:08.58 | findlay | I guess he wants to filter through as many girls as possible |
| 18:09.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Or he just won't ask her, more than once, for a date? |
| 18:09.12 | findlay | won't ask |
| 18:09.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 18:09.32 | Lone_Wanderer | That would make it kind of difficult to actually get any dates. |
| 18:09.50 | findlay | I guess so |
| 18:09.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Does he manage anyway? |
| 18:11.21 | findlay | he's kind of worked himself into a hermit frenzy, and he's a little crazy |
| 18:11.28 | findlay | doesn't date much now |
| 18:11.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Huh. |
| 18:12.02 | Lone_Wanderer | That's kind of too bad. |
| 18:12.24 | levi | I need to watch Blade Runner again. |
| 18:12.33 | ^Migs^ | I've never seen Blade Runner |
| 18:12.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Just read the book. |
| 18:12.54 | findlay | does that have Napoleon in it? |
| 18:13.15 | Lone_Wanderer | If I didn't know they were supposed to be the same story, I wouldn't have recognized it. |
| 18:13.27 | Lone_Wanderer | They didn't even have... that one religion whose name I can't remember. |
| 18:13.37 | ^Migs^ | why would I read the book when there's a movie? |
| 18:13.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Mercerism |
| 18:13.56 | findlay | because the movie has Napoleon Dynamite in it |
| 18:13.57 | sjansen | graphyx: Although it can be done, the RoR architecture does not lend itself to supporting application plugins. It has good support for building monolith apps with plugins, but it's more painful adding third-party plugins afterwards. |
| 18:14.03 | dna3e8 | cuz some movie butcher the story |
| 18:14.17 | ^Migs^ | or maybe the book butchered the story and the movie got it correct |
| 18:14.23 | findlay | heh |
| 18:14.53 | sjansen | graphyx: You might want to check out a Python framework like Pylons instead. Python has some funky standard to make it easier to cobble together modular apps. |
| 18:14.55 | levi | I wouldn't say 'butcher'. Sometimes movie directors reinterpret the story when they make a movie. I'm fine with that; I can enjoy both even if they're significantly different. |
| 18:15.09 | ^Migs^ | plus the book takes, like, 20x longer to read, doesn't have a soundtrack, actors, special effects, or any visual stimuli. so WHY, praytell, would I read the book instead of watch the movie? |
| 18:15.15 | Lone_Wanderer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_androids_dream_of_electric_sheep#Mercerism |
| 18:15.19 | levi | Blade Runner is one of those cases. Both the book and movie are great. |
| 18:15.35 | Lone_Wanderer | My imagination has better special effects than any movie. |
| 18:15.37 | elg | ^Migs^: that explains a lot |
| 18:15.45 | levi | ^Migs^: Because the book tells a somewhat different story, and it's really good. |
| 18:16.07 | findlay | ^Migs^: because books stimulate different parts of your brain and makes you better able to communicate telepathically with aliens |
| 18:16.37 | Lone_Wanderer | (Which used to be my excuse for playing muds instead of MMORPGs, but then WoW came out and I pretty much abandoned the mud.) |
| 18:16.41 | graphyx | sjansen: so RoR wouldn't be good at running system calls and accepting xml returned information? |
| 18:16.52 | lukfugl | Blade Runner (movie) does not have Jon Heder in it |
| 18:16.59 | lukfugl | findlay: you're probably thinking of Blades of Glory |
| 18:17.01 | ^Migs^ | was Jon Heder even born then? |
| 18:17.03 | lukfugl | *very* different :) |
| 18:17.14 | findlay | lukfugl: I know :) |
| 18:17.17 | lukfugl | Blade Runner has Harrison Ford, though |
| 18:17.56 | sjansen | graphyx: No, RoR would be more akward if a plugin required a custom screen to request or display information. |
| 18:17.56 | levi | Philip K Dick stories make good movies, even though few of them are faithful adaptations. |
| 18:17.56 | graphyx | sjansen: was that a yes it can do system calls and accept xml data? |
| 18:18.06 | sjansen | Running system calls is a tiny bit easier with Ruby. |
| 18:18.23 | levi | Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, Daryl Hannah, Edward James Olmos, and others. |
| 18:18.23 | graphyx | ok |
| 18:18.28 | graphyx | then that is what I was thinking |
| 18:18.34 | graphyx | since a lot of the tools are cli based. |
| 18:18.39 | sjansen | Ruby has (okay-ish) built-in XML support. Only recent versions of Python have built-in XML support. |
| 18:18.47 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: I keep wishing that Roger Zelazny books made good movies :( |
| 18:19.19 | sjansen | Neither languages loves XML. It's just to heavy to be loved and treated well by scripting languages. |
| 18:19.42 | ^Migs^ | I like how Java's XMLBeans handles XML |
| 18:19.50 | ^Migs^ | er, Apache's |
| 18:19.51 | findlay | I don't need to see movies any more. I've already seen 'Citizen Kane' |
| 18:20.03 | elg | That's like saying "I love how the military handles those Tanks" |
| 18:20.08 | ^Migs^ | I don't need to see movies any more. I've already seen 'Waterworld' |
| 18:20.18 | sjansen | Rexml is the standard Ruby XML solutions. It's built on regex and can be funky. Python's preferred solution is etree, it can be fast but also has its quirks. |
| 18:20.31 | graphyx | ok cool. |
| 18:20.34 | findlay | movies don't *need* XML |
| 18:20.50 | graphyx | do they have built in input cleasing libraries? |
| 18:22.16 | sjansen | Ruby, not really. RoR kinda. Not sure about Python. |
| 18:22.37 | findlay | can XML really be clean? |
| 18:22.39 | sjansen | By virtual of the fact that they're not as stupid as PHP, neither needs them as much. |
| 18:22.52 | graphyx | findlay: not the xml |
| 18:22.59 | graphyx | well xml and other stuff |
| 18:23.29 | graphyx | the point is that if I am building a pen testing app, it would be a faux paus to make one with security flaws in it. |
| 18:23.30 | ^Migs^ | I like PHP, but only when I'm using it correctly |
| 18:24.14 | sjansen | "I like my hammer, except when I'm beating myself with it." |
| 18:24.43 | sjansen | "I like my hammer, except when it leaps out of my hands and beats me mercilessly." |
| 18:24.58 | ^Migs^ | your first statement made more sense |
| 18:25.02 | sjansen | Which did you mean? Because if you're talking about PHP, the second is more accurate. |
| 18:25.10 | graphyx | lol |
| 18:25.16 | graphyx | err... ss |
| 18:25.35 | mheath | I hate doctors. |
| 18:25.36 | sjansen | ~beat graphyx |
| 18:25.38 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats graphyx over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 18:25.45 | herlo | ~beat sjansen with his php hammer |
| 18:25.47 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen with his php hammer with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 18:25.47 | graphyx | bats? |
| 18:25.49 | mheath | BUt I did finally get some real info on why I'm having so much knee pain. :) |
| 18:25.56 | graphyx | just switched from a hammer |
| 18:26.04 | graphyx | mheath: why? |
| 18:26.09 | graphyx | and did they kick you out? |
| 18:26.17 | mheath | Apparently some of my problems are causing some critical muscles in my knee to be really underdeveloped |
| 18:26.35 | mheath | One of the key muscles needed for my knee to work correctly is basically in atrophy |
| 18:26.38 | sjansen | ~his herlo |
| 18:27.01 | graphyx | atrophy, where is that and when will it come back? |
| 18:27.12 | mheath | He also said, my joints/ligaments are so loose, than in a normal person, they feel like I'd had a massive injury to multiple ligaments :P |
| 18:27.15 | Tene | mheath: so how do you fix it? |
| 18:27.19 | mheath | They don't. |
| 18:27.27 | mheath | I'm getting kicked out because of that. |
| 18:27.48 | mheath | I'd be starting the process today, but I have to go to one more doc appointment tomorrow (for the psych stuff) now |
| 18:28.07 | graphyx | Well that stinks |
| 18:28.12 | mheath | On the plus side |
| 18:28.14 | mheath | HP is amazing. |
| 18:28.25 | mheath | Getting them to let me ship my laptop to them was a pain in the butt |
| 18:28.41 | mheath | but after it actually got to them, it took them 2 days to 'repair' it |
| 18:28.42 | graphyx | I'll feel sorry for you if that means that you won't go on about it forever... and complain when people ask... |
| 18:29.24 | mheath | I won't complain about it. |
| 18:29.37 | mheath | Thats how I'm getting by right now. Kinda just ignoring things, taking things as they come. |
| 18:29.59 | mheath | I wonder if I got a new laptop. Hmmm. |
| 18:30.33 | mheath | Doesn't look like it. I get my laptop back tomorrow, though! |
| 18:30.41 | mheath | Not that big of a deal anymore, since I have a nice desktop now. |
| 18:35.01 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | Something witty here. |
| 18:50.43 | ^Migs^ | lol: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/93ef/ |
| 18:50.44 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: QuikPod Pro Handheld Tripod] |
| 18:58.31 | ^Migs^ | perfect for myspace |
| 19:01.14 | graphyx | lukfugl: any idea what file to change to get an RoR project to bind to 0.0.0.0:3000 instead of 127.0.0.1:3000+ |
| 19:01.15 | graphyx | ? |
| 19:01.53 | sjansen | Where Triumph the Insult Comic Dog when you need him? |
| 19:01.59 | raventh1 | for me to poop on ? |
| 19:02.26 | sjansen | perfect |
| 19:03.54 | graphyx | lukfugl: got it. |
| 19:04.01 | graphyx | nvm |
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| 19:10.35 | ^Migs^ | okay, why does this sound dangerous? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/93e2/ |
| 19:10.38 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Travel UV Toothbrush Sanitizer] |
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| 19:20.34 | tensai | wait, redbeard is a guru now? |
| 19:20.51 | levi | tensai: In the sense that he is employed by Guru Labs, yes. |
| 19:21.06 | levi | ^Migs^: I don't know. Why does a small UV lamp sound dangerous to you? |
| 19:21.24 | tensai | I would say they've lowered their standards, but well, sjansen |
| 19:22.30 | levi | Maybe they're going to start culinary training, too. |
| 19:22.50 | levi | Training an army of cake-baking geeks! |
| 19:28.00 | graphyx | tensai: ss |
| 19:28.19 | tensai | graphyx: tt |
| 19:30.41 | sjansen | ~slap graphyx |
| 19:30.43 | ibot | ACTION slaps graphyx, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 19:30.52 | sjansen | lol is bad enough, anyone using ss should be shot shot |
| 19:33.00 | lukfugl | I like the equally short "heh" |
| 19:34.34 | elg | i like MY HAIR IS FALLING OUT BECAUSE I"M LAUGHING SO HARD!~!1!2 |
| 19:35.21 | sontek | H4HAH44 pwn3d!!1 |
| 19:35.47 | lukfugl | lolzercopterofl |
| 19:36.52 | sontek | http://www.stuckiniowa.com/img/uploads/roflcopter7.gif |
| 19:40.43 | ^Migs^ | don't forget LOLOOAERLLERCOASTER! http://www.lunchboxing.com/images/links/lollercoaster.gif |
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| 20:11.12 | findlay | I saw a guy in a TT with LOL plates once on I-15 |
| 20:13.52 | jayceh | did you run him off the road? |
| 20:14.29 | findlay | no. I just laughed him away |
| 20:14.44 | findlay | who's this jayceh imposter? |
| 20:15.23 | findlay | silly freeway speeders |
| 20:15.52 | findlay | you get one joker to zoom through and everybody speeds up 15 mph |
| 20:15.57 | ^Migs^ | I always chuckle when I say a WTF plate |
| 20:16.02 | ^Migs^ | s/say/see/ |
| 20:16.19 | ^Migs^ | I don't. I freak out and slow down even more. |
| 20:16.41 | sontek | I fear for my life driving in Utah, drivers are craaaazy here |
| 20:16.53 | findlay | sure are |
| 20:17.13 | findlay | you don't see a curteous intelligent driver very often here |
| 20:17.26 | sontek | not at all |
| 20:17.43 | sontek | I think that can be blaimed on the red lights though |
| 20:17.57 | findlay | it's hard to be one when everybody around you is being a jerk subconsciously |
| 20:18.17 | findlay | why red lights? |
| 20:18.29 | findlay | the lights in Provo are timed pretty well |
| 20:18.39 | ^Migs^ | ~blame red lights |
| 20:18.53 | ibot | ACTION blames red lights (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:19.06 | ^Migs^ | Provo != Utah |
| 20:19.19 | sontek | findlay: the ones in SLC are terrible, but I came from LA where everything was timed and had sensors :/ |
| 20:19.19 | ^Migs^ | the lights in Ogden are just the opposite |
| 20:19.20 | findlay | Utah != USA |
| 20:19.29 | dna3e8 | How do I verify i am going through a ssh tunnel? (specificly for synergy) |
| 20:19.43 | ^Migs^ | does that mean that Ogden != USA? |
| 20:19.49 | ^Migs^ | no, I guess not |
| 20:19.55 | findlay | sontek: you should have come to the last utah python meeting. There was a guy there who works on SLC traffic lights :) |
| 20:20.41 | sontek | findlay: Invite him back, i'll come =) |
| 20:20.42 | findlay | I think most traffic lights have sensors now |
| 20:20.52 | findlay | sontek: that's nothing besides |
| 20:21.01 | findlay | my favorite is Bangerter down south |
| 20:21.23 | findlay | one car stops and the light changes for a full minute :) |
| 20:21.44 | findlay | silly, arrogant suburbs trying to thwart the thouroughfare |
| 20:22.23 | dna3e8 | how do you tell if synergy is going through a ssh tunnel? |
| 20:22.34 | findlay | if it looks tunnelly? |
| 20:22.45 | ^Migs^ | what does tunnelly look like? |
| 20:22.52 | findlay | don't know |
| 20:22.54 | dna3e8 | what does tunnely look like |
| 20:23.07 | findlay | I don't know |
| 20:23.39 | findlay | ask sjansen, the knower of all things |
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| 20:25.20 | redbeard2 | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:25.20 | ibot | whacks sjansen with a giant beaver's tail |
| 20:25.26 | redbeard2 | oh, that's right. too late! |
| 20:25.38 | dna3e8 | ~where is sjansen |
| 20:25.49 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, dna3e8 |
| 20:25.50 | tensai | ~seen sjansen |
| 20:26.13 | ibot | sjansen is currently on #utah (3h 48m 19s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 55m 21s, last said: 'lol is bad enough, anyone using ss should be shot shot'. |
| 20:26.14 | tensai | dna3e8: look at netstat -tnp |
| 20:26.46 | dna3e8 | May he R.I.P. [silence fo sjansen] |
| 20:28.18 | tensai | redbeard2: have you tried cheese at lower temperatures? is there anything magical about 185F? |
| 20:29.24 | redbeard2 | tensai: i was reading an article yesterday about mozzarella that said to heat to 105F and add rennet. i don't know how important the tempurature is to the curdling mechanism tho. |
| 20:30.11 | tensai | I heard about making cheese from raw milk which requires you to keep the temp below 140F, otherwise the enzymes die |
| 20:30.37 | redbeard2 | yeah, 140F kills just about anything, given enough time |
| 20:30.42 | tensai | I've wanted to make cheese for a long time but haven't found a simple enough starting point yet. I think your recipe might do the trick. |
| 20:31.10 | redbeard2 | i think it might. i can give you some tips on making mozarella too, but i don't know if my recipe will work for it. |
| 20:31.43 | redbeard2 | next time i think i'm gonna add dried herbage with the lemon zest and see how that works out. |
| 20:31.43 | tensai | I've heard fresh mozzarella is yummy, but I don't trust any of the "fresh" stuff at the store to accurately represent it |
| 20:31.58 | tensai | hmm. I've got a whole bunch of fresh basil. that sounds good. |
| 20:32.05 | redbeard2 | the "fresh" stuff at the store is actually pretty close, generally speaking |
| 20:32.43 | redbeard2 | on fresh herbs: remember, fresh herbs should generally only be added a la minut, which isn't really possible with cheese. |
| 20:39.50 | ^Migs^ | holy crap I've been at work too long |
| 20:39.53 | redbeard2 | i suppose fresh herbage might work, but i'd be more inclined to use dried. cheese has more fat than water, and the flavors in dried herbs are more fat soluble |
| 20:40.56 | levi | Mmm, fresh mozzarella. |
| 20:41.00 | dna3e8 | What does it mean is net stat returns 0.0.0.0:* for a remote address? |
| 20:41.09 | levi | Caprese salad. Mmm. |
| 20:41.27 | redbeard2 | levi: caprese salad? where? |
| 20:41.44 | levi | Fresh mozzarella just made me think of it. |
| 20:41.59 | findlay | dna3e8: pretty sure that means a service is available and awating connections from anywhere |
| 20:42.32 | ^Migs^ | hahaha: http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ |
| 20:42.33 | brac | [Female and Male Inmates Desire Penpals] |
| 20:43.09 | levi | ^Migs^: My aunt married an inmate. |
| 20:43.34 | levi | ^Migs^: She and another woman were covered in a local news story called 'Prison Brides' or something. |
| 20:46.27 | ^Migs^ | what was he in for? |
| 20:46.42 | levi | Murder. |
| 20:49.23 | redbeard2 | levi: speaking of murder, talk about killing the conversation. geez! |
| 20:49.40 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:50.26 | levi | That's okay, I have other things to do. Killing the conversation aids my productivity. ;) |
| 20:50.44 | tensai | redbeard2: how would 2% milk fare? that's all I've got right now because my wife wouldn't let me buy whole. |
| 20:51.07 | ^Migs^ | haha, one here says "I love to travel" |
| 20:51.47 | redbeard2 | tensai: i would venture to say it would work fine, but don't quote me on that. i've never tried it before. |
| 20:52.07 | redbeard2 | i'm reading an article right now that has some really interesting insight into cheesemaking |
| 20:52.20 | graphyx | ^Migs^: gotta love the personal ads... My name is Michele. I was born in Houston, Texas. I moved to Las Vegas 15 years ago. I enjoy traveling to exotic places, but I mostly like to curl up in front of a roaring fire and watch T.V. with that special someone. I am currently serving a 1-4 year sentence. I am eligible for parole September 2006. I am worth the wait. Are you willing to wait? My dislikes are abusers, liars, etc. |
| 20:52.32 | tensai | I guess I've seen "part-skim cheese" at the store before, so somehow it would probably work |
| 20:52.36 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHA |
| 20:53.15 | graphyx | currently serving 1-4 eligible for parole in in ... |
| 20:53.23 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:53.35 | graphyx | new meaning to the term jail bait. |
| 20:53.58 | redbeard2 | tensai: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~swalton/Documents/Recipes/Farmers%20Cheese.pdf |
| 20:57.30 | redbeard2 | tensai: i'm excited about this doc. i've been looking for a decent mozzarella recipe for a while that doesn't start with store-bought curds. we did a lot of cool stuff with mozzarella in school. |
| 20:58.15 | ^Migs^ | oh how funny: http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/male/no_mail_yet.htm |
| 20:58.18 | brac | [No Mail Yet] |
| 20:58.32 | ^Migs^ | for the really desperate |
| 20:58.45 | tensai | redbeard2: have you seen this one? http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Cheese/Pasta_Filata/Pasta_Filata.html |
| 20:58.48 | brac | [Pasta Filata: a fresh mozzarella] |
| 21:00.10 | redbeard2 | tensai: only problem i have with that is the rennet. store-bought rennet is very different from commercial, and they never specify which one. |
| 21:00.53 | tensai | they had a recipe for raw milk mozzarella on KCRW's Good Food, but I can't find which episode |
| 21:00.56 | redbeard2 | tensai: whoa. i clicked the rennet link and it told me pretty much everything i needed to know about it. i take it back. |
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| 21:14.12 | levi | http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/ahealy/pi_small.jpg |
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| 21:58.16 | Lone_Wanderer_ | rennet? |
| 21:58.24 | Lone_Wanderer_ | you haven't been reading that Save the Rennets page have you? |
| 23:06.34 | Lone_Wanderer_ | How can I replace every instance of commentary.html with commentary.php in several files at once? |
| 23:10.49 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer_: sed -i |
| 23:11.10 | tensai | or perl -pie |
| 23:11.12 | Lone_Wanderer_ | and being kind of nervous that I'm going to seriously break a lot of things ;) |
| 23:11.50 | elg | sed -i s/commentary.html/commentary.php/ |
| 23:11.57 | elg | but don't take my word for it. test it :) |
| 23:12.06 | elg | oh, you need the filename at the end there too |
| 23:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I'm thinking sed -i .bak -e s/commentary.html/commentary.php/g (filename) |
| 23:12.57 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Only problem is, I have a bunch of files I need to do it to. |
| 23:13.02 | Lone_Wanderer_ | All of them, actually. |
| 23:13.28 | zzzirk | so use a wildcard for the filename |
| 23:13.34 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Oh. Duh. |
| 23:13.39 | Lone_Wanderer_ | But will that do it recursively? |
| 23:13.45 | Lone_Wanderer_ | It's in subdirectories too. |
| 23:13.55 | zzzirk | doubtful, but for that you could use find |
| 23:14.35 | zzzirk | find . -exec sed -i .bak -e s/commentary.html/commentary.php/g {} \; |
| 23:14.50 | Lone_Wanderer_ | why {} \;? |
| 23:15.09 | zzzirk | {} gets replaced by the filename from find |
| 23:15.14 | zzzirk | the \; terminates the -exec |
| 23:15.16 | Lone_Wanderer_ | ahh ok |
| 23:15.33 | Lone_Wanderer_ | the \ escapes the ; so that it gets interpreted by find instead of by sed? |
| 23:16.04 | zzzirk | exactly! |
| 23:16.07 | Lone_Wanderer_ | k |
| 23:17.10 | elg | -lart zzzirk |
| 23:17.18 | zzzirk | youch |
| 23:17.25 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Nice, it looks like it worked. |
| 23:17.29 | zzzirk | that *really* hurt |
| 23:17.39 | elg | you have my condolences |
| 23:17.47 | zzzirk | and what did I do wrong? |
| 23:17.58 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Oh crap. |
| 23:18.03 | elg | you, um, uh, showed up? :) |
| 23:18.08 | zzzirk | oh... okay |
| 23:18.09 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 23:18.09 | elg | Lone_Wanderer_: you did make a backup right? |
| 23:18.14 | Lone_Wanderer_ | It did stuff on .gif files too. |
| 23:18.19 | zzzirk | oh crap |
| 23:18.21 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Yeah, I'm diffing the originals and the edited files. |
| 23:18.26 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 23:18.42 | zzzirk | should have put a -name \*.html or whatever in there |
| 23:18.43 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Oh well. Surely I can do a mass move of .bak files, right? |
| 23:18.49 | nick125_lappy | Sure! |
| 23:18.55 | Lone_Wanderer_ | yeah, that's what I'm thinking too :) |
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