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| 00:10.38 | tristanbob | anyone else signup with Mozy? |
| 00:22.52 | mheath | Wow. |
| 00:23.07 | mheath | I'd hate to help administer a network like Blizzard's World of Warcraft |
| 00:23.26 | mheath | Their entire network is burning to the ground tonight. |
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| 00:32.54 | tuple | findlay: you lied, or I'm a dolt. it wants CD 2 |
| 00:33.01 | tuple | how do I make it do a network install? |
| 00:33.14 | tuple | even at 1MB/sec I can't quite keep up :) |
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| 01:06.50 | mheath | System.Hardware.NetworkController1 : Simple Network Controller Adapter attached to /dev/eth0 |
| 01:06.54 | mheath | Oops, copied that to the wrong place. |
| 01:17.49 | brailsmt_ | that java? |
| 01:18.12 | brailsmt_ | something creepy about accessing hardware from java... |
| 01:18.58 | brailsmt_ | says the c/c++ programmer |
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| 01:59.51 | brailsmt_ | what *time() call returns seconds since epoch? |
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| 02:12.13 | mheath | brailsmt_: Not Java. Something I'm working on. |
| 02:12.26 | mheath | Coded in Java, actually, but thats not Java code. |
| 02:14.00 | tenen | ... or is it?! |
| 02:14.54 | mheath | tenen: ? |
| 02:15.00 | tenen | ! |
| 02:15.21 | mheath | What? |
| 02:16.26 | mheath | Tene: What are you talking about? I'm confused. |
| 02:18.16 | Tene | mheath: nevermind |
| 02:24.19 | brailsmt_ | anyone work at UofU hospital? |
| 02:24.39 | brailsmt_ | anyone here, that is... |
| 02:33.06 | brailsmt_ | you know, be real professional |
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| 02:34.30 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 03:07.28 | elg | -lart elg |
| 03:11.45 | elg | man I hate cpan |
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| 04:05.35 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 05:24.43 | harleypig | Hi all. Anyone active in channel at the moment? |
| 05:27.39 | sontek | not really |
| 05:27.49 | harleypig | heh apparently not |
| 05:29.18 | chadbryant | hi |
| 05:29.26 | harleypig | lo |
| 05:29.33 | chadbryant | how goes it? |
| 05:29.42 | harleypig | it goes |
| 05:29.45 | harleypig | slowly |
| 05:29.51 | harleypig | and, recently, painfully. |
| 05:31.05 | chadbryant | I haven't been on here in awhile |
| 05:31.39 | harleypig | How come? You you can't escape the addiction don't you? |
| 05:34.17 | harleypig | fozzy bear style? |
| 05:34.28 | harleypig | except fozzy cow ish? |
| 05:34.31 | fozzmoo | Was trying to parse your last statement. |
| 05:34.45 | fozzmoo | "You you can't escape the addiction don't you?" |
| 05:34.45 | harleypig | Sorry. It's the pain medication. |
| 05:34.53 | harleypig | uh |
| 05:35.00 | fozzmoo | Sure... everyone blames the pain medication. |
| 05:35.02 | harleypig | s/you you/you know you/ |
| 05:35.20 | fozzmoo | Wow. Only one word! |
| 05:35.24 | chadbryant | I don't have this network set to auto-connect in Pidgin |
| 05:35.36 | chadbryant | so sometimes I forget that I even have it configured |
| 05:35.55 | harleypig | Well, that's your problem right there. Set it to auto-connect and your problem's fixed! |
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| 05:36.08 | harleypig | See ... #utah is good for something besides feeding ibot. |
| 05:38.33 | chadbryant | #utah has helped me determine that it's much easier to connect to IRC via cable than DSL |
| 05:39.09 | harleypig | Well, yeah. That's what the C in IRC is for! |
| 05:39.44 | harleypig | If I can make at least one persons day a little more surrealistic then I've had a good blue. |
| 05:40.01 | chadbryant | I live in a 100-year-old house with phone wiring that can best be described as "ancient" |
| 05:40.23 | chadbryant | about two weeks ago, I lost everything, even the dial tone |
| 05:40.38 | harleypig | Not the kind where you can just pull it out huh? |
| 05:40.49 | harleypig | That would be best described as dead. |
| 05:40.51 | chadbryant | Qwest wanted $150/hour to fix it, even though I had the "linebacker" option |
| 05:41.04 | harleypig | Yeah. Don't get me started on QWest. |
| 05:41.25 | chadbryant | so I told them to self-copulate and called Comcast |
| 05:42.49 | nick125_lappy | I'd tell them to go screw themselves and do it myself |
| 05:42.51 | harleypig | :D |
| 05:42.57 | harleypig | I love that. |
| 05:43.05 | harleypig | self-copulate. I'll have to remember that one. |
| 05:43.17 | chadbryant | well, I have a lot more experience doing my own coax than my own telephone wiring |
| 05:43.24 | nick125_lappy | Phone wiring is usually easy, it's just getting the cable down the wall. |
| 05:43.37 | chadbryant | and Comcast techs will gladly run coax anywhere you want it |
| 05:43.49 | nick125_lappy | Plug the red wire with the other red wires, plug the green wires with the other green wires, and it works! |
| 05:43.58 | chadbryant | "I want cable in my bathroom." |
| 05:44.00 | chadbryant | "OK!" |
| 05:44.10 | harleypig | No no no no ... *CUT* the red wire! |
| 05:44.11 | nick125_lappy | They are going to start charging for that, last I heard. |
| 05:44.42 | nick125_lappy | (There was something on consumerist where comcast wasn't doing free wiring for single-family homes anymore) |
| 05:44.45 | harleypig | Anyone know of a decent wiki comparison chart? |
| 05:45.30 | chadbryant | I already had cable, so I threw on the phone & internet and got the $99 special |
| 05:45.55 | chadbryant | and they let me use my old cable modem until the super-duper one they use for phone is installed on Friday |
| 05:46.29 | chadbryant | so now I have an almost-new 2Wire DSL gateway I can sell! |
| 05:46.36 | nick125_lappy | I love it how those idiots at comcast are advertising comcast digital voice here but it's actually not available here. |
| 05:46.45 | nick125_lappy | Oh god. |
| 05:49.49 | chadbryant | Comcast has the unenviable position here of having taken over for TCI and a couple of small cable companies, depending on the area |
| 05:50.24 | nick125_lappy | Using the modem provided by Qwest is a bad idea, if you didn't know. |
| 05:51.19 | chadbryant | there are pockets of cable service areas here that don't qualify for broadband, because it won't work over the wiring that serves them |
| 05:52.09 | chadbryant | BTW, what is wrong with the 2Wire gateway? |
| 05:52.47 | fozzmoo | The 2Wire isn't too shabby. |
| 05:52.59 | fozzmoo | My dad has one and it's pretty decent. |
| 05:53.02 | nick125_lappy | It's just the modems that Qwest provides are junk. |
| 05:53.15 | fozzmoo | They used to be a lot junkier than they are now. |
| 05:53.24 | chadbryant | the Actiontec modem is a turd |
| 05:53.34 | fozzmoo | Even the newer Actiontecs are pretty reliable. |
| 05:53.43 | fozzmoo | I still prefer a Cisco 678 over any of the above. |
| 05:53.52 | fozzmoo | But my dad has a 2Wire and it seems to be working very well. |
| 05:53.59 | nick125_lappy | I've been using a Zoom X5 for a while here, and I haven't had any of the issues I had with my Actiontec. |
| 05:54.08 | fozzmoo | I bought a Zoom... |
| 05:54.12 | fozzmoo | It's very nice. |
| 05:54.15 | chadbryant | when I first got DSL, USWest sent me an Intel PCI card |
| 05:54.16 | fozzmoo | BUT... |
| 05:54.30 | chadbryant | which I still have somewhere |
| 05:54.32 | fozzmoo | I can't use it as a router. |
| 05:54.42 | fozzmoo | Only as a firewall. |
| 05:54.43 | nick125_lappy | chadbryant: 2200? |
| 05:54.54 | chadbryant | nick: yeah, I believe so |
| 05:54.57 | fozzmoo | The Actiontecs and the Ciscos will easily let me route a subnet. |
| 05:55.04 | nick125_lappy | I think I have one of those somewhere around here |
| 05:55.24 | chadbryant | I threw it into a P166 and used that box as a crude sort of NAT |
| 05:56.23 | nick125_lappy | I wish I could find a decent PCI DSL modem that can do DMT and is decently supported in Linux.. |
| 05:56.45 | fozzmoo | Oh, man, I know of one! |
| 05:56.57 | fozzmoo | Grrr.. I just need to remember where that information is. |
| 05:57.20 | chadbryant | my current desktop sits on a big old case that still has a Pentium II CPU & 128 MB RAM in it |
| 05:59.16 | chadbryant | (I don't like to throw old hardware away, if it has any potential use) |
| 05:59.44 | nick125_lappy | Googling around, I might look into a Sangoma card |
| 06:00.39 | fozzmoo | SANGOMA! |
| 06:01.14 | nick125_lappy | http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/p_s518adsl-specs |
| 06:01.56 | nick125_lappy | Then, I'd get rid of all these external modems and routers, and just use my little server for it all |
| 06:02.30 | chadbryant | I think I might crack into this big old case and see if I can set it up as a router |
| 06:03.07 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I think the Sangoma is what the folks at XMIssion were telling me they were experimenting with for doing DSL bonding. |
| 06:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I use Sangoma cards at work |
| 06:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | They're rather nice |
| 06:04.03 | chadbryant | did XMission buy out Aros? |
| 06:04.13 | fozzmoo | chadbryant: No, they didn't have to. |
| 06:04.17 | fozzmoo | Most of Aros |
| 06:04.24 | fozzmoo | Most of Aros's customers just switched. |
| 06:04.51 | chadbryant | I interviewed for a tech position @ Aros about three years ago, right after I finished Army PLDC |
| 06:04.57 | chadbryant | I wasn't impressed |
| 06:05.30 | nick125_lappy | ScytheBlade1: Any ADSL cards? |
| 06:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125_lappy, no, but a bunch of T1 cards. Perfectly stable. |
| 06:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Little pricey, but compared to their Cisco equals, they're nothing |
| 06:06.45 | nick125_lappy | One thing I really need is the ability to get my line margins from the card (something I can't due on my Zoom, least for upstream, due to some bug in the firmware that zoom refuses to acknowledge) |
| 06:28.28 | Supaplex | zoom bugs? neverrrrr |
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| 08:30.32 | klys | anyone here? |
| 08:36.26 | Tene | Sure. |
| 08:36.29 | Tene | What's up? |
| 08:39.00 | klys | we're both in utah isn't that cool?! |
| 08:39.05 | Tene | Sure is!! |
| 08:39.41 | fozzmoo | All 3 of us are in Utah! |
| 08:39.52 | klys | yeah! |
| 08:40.26 | klys | so I'm listening to x96 on cordless headphones |
| 08:40.43 | fozzmoo | IR or Bluetooth? |
| 08:40.51 | klys | 900 MHz |
| 08:40.52 | fozzmoo | or 900Mhz or something? |
| 08:40.56 | fozzmoo | Beat me to it. |
| 08:41.06 | fozzmoo | Tene has some BT headphones. |
| 08:41.13 | Tene | I totally do. |
| 08:41.27 | klys | BT just means 2.4 GHz right? |
| 08:41.31 | Tene | They're in a basket about 6 feet to my right. |
| 08:41.40 | Tene | It's also a specific wireless protocol, klys. |
| 08:41.45 | fozzmoo | I'm listening to the Buffy musical soundtrack on totally corded headphones. |
| 08:41.48 | klys | so I'm using debian |
| 08:41.56 | Tene | There are other protocols on that frequency. |
| 08:41.59 | Tene | Yeah? |
| 08:42.00 | fozzmoo | Fedora Core 6. |
| 08:42.06 | Tene | Fedora Core 7 here. |
| 08:42.12 | Tene | Totally better than fozz's. |
| 08:42.19 | klys | I'm just using unstable |
| 08:42.25 | fozzmoo | Tene: t4 |
| 08:42.26 | fozzmoo | ? |
| 08:42.40 | fozzmoo | And isn't it just "Fedora" now and not "Fedora Core"? |
| 08:42.53 | Tene | Something like that. |
| 08:43.31 | Tene | I haven't been paying attention to the naming issue or test releases. Just been tracking it through yum. |
| 08:43.39 | klys | I've got knoppix on my tablet pc since it has no drivers for windows 98 and the hard drive is bad |
| 08:44.01 | Tene | klys: you should try booting it over the network. |
| 08:44.07 | klys | but it has firefox |
| 08:44.29 | klys | I'll check on that next time I boot it |
| 08:45.32 | klys | so did you guys go to the U ? |
| 08:45.39 | fozzmoo | I went to USU. |
| 08:45.47 | Tene | BYU for a year. |
| 08:46.13 | fozzmoo | (Tene has been attending Fozz-U for a couple years now.) |
| 08:46.13 | klys | my two sisters are going to school up there |
| 08:47.00 | Tene | Huh. It's been over two years now. |
| 08:47.02 | klys | I'm not in school now but I'm a short walk away from BYU |
| 08:48.12 | klys | tene: CS major? |
| 08:48.32 | Tene | klys: I was CS, was looking to change to physics before I left. |
| 08:48.40 | klys | hmm |
| 08:49.17 | Tene | At Fozz-U I've been majoring in Perl and Why To Avoid PHP And MySQL. |
| 08:49.53 | klys | did you like a specific area or set of equations or just Matlab or Maple? |
| 08:49.53 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 08:50.46 | klys | since I have a public IP now I should host a MoonEdit session |
| 08:51.24 | Tene | I totally don't understand your question. |
| 08:51.45 | klys | yeah, I haven't had any physics either |
| 08:52.15 | klys | so I was just wondering what you liked about physics |
| 08:52.30 | klys | or, have you listened to the provopodcast? |
| 08:54.05 | Tene | Woah... http://parts.rrrf.org/ |
| 08:54.22 | Tene | The RepRap project now has an online parts store. |
| 08:55.32 | Tene | Only another week or two until they're selling full kits. |
| 08:56.09 | klys | doesn't say where they are, but the parts look like modern EE stuff |
| 08:56.19 | Tene | Hmm. Perhaps that estimate has been revised. That page lists ETA as start of july. |
| 08:56.27 | Tene | klys: http://reprap.org/ |
| 08:57.52 | klys | ok, PCB printing |
| 08:58.07 | klys | won't that put Taiwan out of business? |
| 08:58.21 | Tene | klys: not pcb printing. |
| 08:58.27 | Tene | 3d object printing with plastic |
| 08:58.46 | fozzmoo | Good stuff on http://www.engrish.com/ the last couple days. |
| 08:58.48 | brac | [Welcome to Engrish.com!] |
| 09:00.07 | klys | so how is it self-replicating without the PCB? |
| 09:01.02 | Tene | klys: They're looking to be able to print PCBs and such with version 2. |
| 09:01.10 | klys | ic |
| 09:01.43 | Tene | With version 1, there are a handfull of parts (PCB, motors, etc.) that they can't reproduce, but those are available relatively pretty cheaply worldwide. |
| 09:02.09 | klys | I want to fab a pcb, who should I ask? |
| 09:04.47 | klys | are there any other utah, slc, or provo IRC you've seen? |
| 09:04.53 | Tene | klys: nope. |
| 09:05.35 | klys | i mean, this is pretty guy-only if you see what I'm sayin' |
| 09:06.02 | Tene | That's pretty standard for IRC in general. |
| 09:06.06 | fozzmoo | There are a couple non-guys that frequent #utah |
| 09:06.13 | klys | hmm |
| 09:07.22 | klys | have you guys picked up any new equipment lately? |
| 09:07.29 | klys | I have a usb mixer |
| 09:08.05 | klys | works with my XLR mic and an electeic guitar |
| 09:09.58 | klys | it's raining, it wasn't an hour ago |
| 09:11.09 | klys | nope, that's just my roomy ramesh's defrag or something it's not really raining |
| 09:14.30 | fozzmoo | Okay I must go to bed. |
| 09:14.36 | fozzmoo | tty'all later |
| 09:14.44 | klys | good night |
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| 10:33.26 | mheath | Well, thats nice |
| 10:33.29 | mheath | No shower for me today |
| 10:33.53 | mheath | Free piece of advise: If you have a roomate trying to get ready at the same time as you in the morning, DON'T TAKE 30 MINUTE SHOWERS. |
| 10:34.00 | mheath | GRRRRRRRRRRR. |
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| 14:14.32 | ^Migs^ | I like this one: http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/study_38_percent_of_people |
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| 14:58.24 | maquis | question: could somebody please explain the distinction to me between cpu load and cpu usage? |
| 14:58.57 | elg | load is the number of processes waiting to run |
| 14:59.07 | maquis | elg: ok... and usage is what is actually running? |
| 14:59.16 | elg | hwo much of the cpu is in use at the moment, yes |
| 14:59.24 | maquis | if usage is < 100%, what could cause load to be extremely high? |
| 15:00.00 | elg | sometimes processes in limbo count. i think the ones that are blocked on io |
| 15:00.12 | elg | is usage << 100% almost all the time? |
| 15:00.29 | elg | lots of swapping will do it too |
| 15:00.46 | elg | anything where the procs are trying to run but there's a bottleneck |
| 15:01.34 | maquis | elg: trying to debug an issue where load is *really* high (and increasing) and has been high for the past week, but usage has sat around 50% during the entire time |
| 15:02.08 | elg | look at the number of processes, the state they're in, and memory |
| 15:02.35 | maquis | elg: cool |
| 15:02.36 | maquis | thanks! |
| 15:03.11 | maquis | hmmm... now that's odd |
| 15:03.27 | graphyx | 3 is odd! |
| 15:03.58 | findlay | but 4 isn't? |
| 15:03.58 | ^Migs^ | 3 is also prime |
| 15:12.06 | graphyx | but 2 is the odd prime. |
| 15:12.57 | findlay | 2 isn't prime |
| 15:13.08 | graphyx | yes it is. |
| 15:13.10 | findlay | you can thank the cryptographists for that |
| 15:13.13 | findlay | no, it isn't |
| 15:13.20 | graphyx | why not? |
| 15:14.09 | graphyx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_numbers |
| 15:14.13 | graphyx | 2 is on the list. |
| 15:14.17 | findlay | I don't remember why |
| 15:14.28 | graphyx | I think you are incorrect. |
| 15:14.43 | findlay | yes, I am |
| 15:14.50 | findlay | I was thinking of 1 |
| 15:14.57 | graphyx | there we go. |
| 15:15.06 | graphyx | I will agree with you on that one |
| 15:15.26 | findlay | 1 can be prime if you modify slightly the definition of prime |
| 15:17.06 | findlay | by saying "only two natural factors" instead of "two distinct natural factors, 1 and itself" |
| 15:18.14 | findlay | in the 2nd case the factors of 1 violate the distinct part |
| 15:18.40 | ^Migs^ | why wouldn't 2 be prime? |
| 15:18.43 | findlay | but it's really silly to think that anyway |
| 15:19.32 | ^Migs^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_numbers |
| 15:19.45 | findlay | ^Migs^: because of the coriolis effect |
| 15:21.31 | maquis | uh |
| 15:21.36 | findlay | hu |
| 15:21.37 | maquis | anyone ever seen lsof hang? |
| 15:21.49 | findlay | maquis: `strace lsof` |
| 15:22.01 | maquis | findlay: sure... |
| 15:22.10 | maquis | just curious if this happens to other people or if i'm just special |
| 15:22.13 | findlay | maquis: what's wrong with that? |
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| 15:22.36 | findlay | I often use strace gainfully when processes hang |
| 15:22.56 | findlay | usually gives me useful information as to why it hangs |
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| 15:47.52 | levi | So, is everyone waiting in line at Ikea or something? |
| 15:48.00 | graphyx | lol |
| 15:48.01 | elg | ikea? what for? |
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| 15:48.05 | graphyx | why would you bother? |
| 15:48.11 | findlay | whats ikia? |
| 15:48.12 | elg | jsmith is in line at ikea |
| 15:48.14 | graphyx | $10 isn't worth 5 hours |
| 15:48.24 | elg | it is if you make $2/hour |
| 15:48.41 | levi | I dunno, no one was talking here and the line had wrapped around Ikea when I drove by. |
| 15:48.55 | graphyx | so you should find a low wage person and pay them $2 to wait for you? |
| 15:48.59 | elg | utah has an ikea? when did that happen? |
| 15:49.07 | levi | elg: It's opening today. |
| 15:49.09 | graphyx | grand opening. |
| 15:49.14 | findlay | to annoy levi :) |
| 15:49.41 | jsmith | elg: No, I'm not in line at ikea, but I am talking to a Swede :-) |
| 15:50.01 | elg | does he understand the swedish chef? |
| 15:50.20 | jsmith | Yes |
| 15:51.00 | fozzmoo | The new Ikea is at Bangerter and I-15 in Draper. |
| 15:51.13 | graphyx | anyone seen the king of the echopeople recently? |
| 15:51.23 | elg | -seen redbeard1 |
| 15:51.23 | brac | redbeard1 was last seen 14 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes and 55 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 15:51.25 | elg | -seen redbeard2 |
| 15:51.25 | brac | redbeard2 was last seen 1 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes and 28 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
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| 15:52.10 | graphyx | but at your ikea they aren't giving out $10 gift certs. |
| 15:52.58 | elg | $10 doesn't seem much for a furniture store |
| 15:53.01 | levi | Well, I assume the lines will die down in a few days once people get used to it. |
| 15:53.07 | graphyx | elg: here here |
| 15:53.07 | elg | like going to burger king and getting 10 cents off |
| 15:53.25 | elg | there there |
| 15:53.41 | graphyx | but if you and your 5 bunk mates all go then you can get a new tv stand for cheap |
| 15:54.03 | levi | Hey, if I could get 10 cents off a 99 cent item, then I'd be able to buy it with a dollar without fishing for change. |
| 15:54.25 | elg | that's a good point |
| 15:54.34 | elg | but you wouldn't go just to go. you'd go if you were hungry |
| 15:54.34 | graphyx | levi: not in arkansas. |
| 15:54.43 | graphyx | they have 11.5% tax on fast food. |
| 15:55.12 | graphyx | well a guess that 1.115 * 9 is about 1.00. |
| 15:55.17 | levi | graphyx: Well, who would want to live in arkansas, anyway? |
| 15:55.26 | graphyx | want? |
| 15:55.28 | graphyx | I don't know. |
| 15:55.43 | graphyx | 100.35 to be exact. |
| 15:56.11 | graphyx | so it would probably be rounded up to 1.01 |
| 15:56.11 | graphyx | just to be mean. |
| 15:57.18 | levi | .89 * 1.115 = 0.99235 |
| 15:57.32 | levi | So, they might round that up to 1.00, which would be okay. |
| 15:57.47 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:57.50 | graphyx | you are right. |
| 15:57.59 | levi | Perhaps even better, because then you wouldn't be overwhelmed in pennies after taking advantage of the deal a few times. |
| 15:58.03 | graphyx | I was thinking 10% off $1 |
| 15:58.29 | graphyx | I want my .00765 $!!! |
| 15:58.47 | findlay | I know it's bad, but I don't like dealing in real money |
| 15:59.07 | findlay | I just use a card. It's way easier |
| 15:59.10 | graphyx | so you are one of those people who uses imaginary numbers in your accounting? |
| 15:59.15 | findlay | yes |
| 15:59.38 | graphyx | Lets get this one over here, it is 2 + i cheaper than that one. |
| 15:59.41 | findlay | worse. I use quaternions |
| 16:01.02 | levi | findlay: You owe me e^(pi*i) +1 million billion dollars! |
| 16:01.21 | findlay | heh |
| 16:02.46 | levi | That's one way to use imaginary numbers in your accounting. |
| 16:04.48 | graphyx | levi any idea what the value ends up being? |
| 16:04.56 | levi | zero |
| 16:05.10 | levi | e^(pi*i)+1 = 0 |
| 16:05.34 | graphyx | what about + 1,000,000,000,000 dollars? |
| 16:05.48 | graphyx | seems that it would be 999,999,999,999$ |
| 16:05.52 | graphyx | a hefty sum still. |
| 16:06.06 | graphyx | or did you mean 0 million billion dollars? |
| 16:06.34 | levi | I meant 0 million billion dollars. I wasn't very careful in writing it, but I figured findlay would understand what I meant. |
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| 16:08.04 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 16:11.04 | findlay | so I guess you could say that 1 is more than prime |
| 16:11.29 | findlay | it's twice as good as a prime number because it only has one natural factor |
| 16:13.49 | graphyx | lol |
| 16:14.11 | graphyx | call it the uncertain prime for irony |
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| 16:14.34 | findlay | heh |
| 16:14.52 | graphyx | since 1 is supposed to be the identification value for multiplication. |
| 16:14.54 | nick125- | I think I've had enough adventure for a long time.. |
| 16:15.04 | graphyx | nick125 what did you do? |
| 16:15.11 | findlay | ~advent nick125- |
| 16:15.29 | findlay | ~adventure nick125- |
| 16:15.35 | nick125- | I went on a roller coaster...yeah |
| 16:16.13 | graphyx | that was enough? |
| 16:16.16 | graphyx | Ok |
| 16:16.32 | nick125- | yeah.. |
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| 16:31.45 | ^Migs^ | just bought thsi: http://www.meritline.com/xboy-tv-dance-pad.html |
| 16:31.48 | brac | [TV DDR Dance Revolution Mat Pad 50 Songs] |
| 16:31.49 | ^Migs^ | that's UBERcheap |
| 16:33.23 | levi | So you're going to dance to 'My Heart Will Go On', eh? |
| 16:34.11 | elg | how cheap is ubercheap? |
| 16:34.26 | levi | $8.99 |
| 16:34.40 | elg | how does it compare to $15 + pydance and downloading all the ddr songs you can hope to ever want to dance to? |
| 16:34.51 | elg | (note, for me that number is 0, but for my wife it's nonzero) |
| 16:35.19 | levi | It's like those little joystick thingies that have a bunch of games inside, except it's a pad instead of a joystick. |
| 16:35.46 | ^Migs^ | what's pydance? |
| 16:35.57 | ^Migs^ | I don't have a console |
| 16:35.59 | elg | on oss ddr-like thingy |
| 16:36.04 | elg | on your computer |
| 16:38.45 | ^Migs^ | Is there a DDR Online? And if not, why not? That would be sweet! |
| 16:39.03 | findlay | ~ddr |
| 16:39.12 | ibot | methinks ddr is <- -> V /\ V /\ <- V -> /\ -> V -> |
| 16:39.12 | findlay | ~dict ddr |
| 16:39.27 | levi | I think we should all switch from saying 'sweet' to 'totally wicked'. |
| 16:40.35 | elg | twicket |
| 16:40.52 | levi | That sounds too much like an ewok name. |
| 16:40.59 | elg | how about "bitter" |
| 16:41.07 | findlay | sour |
| 16:41.15 | elg | are you saying ewoks can't be totally wicked? |
| 16:41.25 | findlay | basically |
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| 16:44.46 | ^Migs^ | why isn't there an Ewok vs. Ewok FPS? |
| 16:45.55 | findlay | would that be totally twicket? |
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| 17:00.22 | Jayce^ | mooooo |
| 17:01.34 | herlo | ~onjoin fozzmoo MOOOO! |
| 17:01.34 | ibot | ok, herlo |
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| 17:01.46 | lukfugl | Ewok-themed RTS, FTW |
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| 17:02.54 | herlo | fozzmoo: you are welcome |
| 17:03.10 | findlay | eject |
| 17:03.14 | fozzmoo | why thank you, herlo. |
| 17:03.17 | findlay | ops |
| 17:03.23 | findlay | s/o/oo/ |
| 17:03.55 | herlo | fozzmoo: when are you gonna submit your paper to UTOSC? |
| 17:04.03 | fozzmoo | herlo: I thought it was too late. |
| 17:04.13 | herlo | fozzmoo: nah, get it in |
| 17:04.13 | fozzmoo | I've just been so busy, I just... gave up on it. |
| 17:04.32 | fozzmoo | Okay. I'll work something up. |
| 17:04.37 | herlo | fozzmoo: you have basically no deadline at this point. We're looking for a few more... |
| 17:04.42 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: So I talked to my recruiter and changed my MOS to 18D. |
| 17:04.44 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 17:04.45 | herlo | but you can't linger either... |
| 17:05.09 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 17:06.54 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap |
| 17:06.54 | Lone_Wanderer | did they make an anouncement today or something maquis? |
| 17:07.07 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: apparently we acquired some audiobook company: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007430175 |
| 17:07.09 | brac | [AHN | Amazon Buys Audiobook Publisher | May 23, 2007] |
| 17:07.18 | Lone_Wanderer | You've got Amazon stock? |
| 17:08.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Holy cow, they're up 13% just in the last few days. You're making a killing! |
| 17:09.01 | levi | Nice. |
| 17:09.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, you work there? |
| 17:09.37 | findlay | day fluxuations are insignificant |
| 17:10.15 | levi | findlay: Not if you're day trading! ;) |
| 17:10.17 | Lone_Wanderer | http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AMZN |
| 17:10.24 | Sargun | oh shit |
| 17:10.26 | findlay | heh |
| 17:10.27 | Lone_Wanderer | This isn't a one day trend. |
| 17:10.35 | maquis | findlay: sure... but look at the past month... |
| 17:10.50 | Sargun | Anyone have an ogg of Crash N Burn of Panzer, or know where I can buy the it over the net? |
| 17:11.09 | findlay | maquis: mabe you can package a book for me and send it FREE SuperSaverShipping kthxbye |
| 17:11.43 | herlo | http://www.utosc.org/participate |
| 17:11.54 | fozzmoo | herlo: Probably because we're all so busy working these days. :) |
| 17:12.06 | herlo | fozzmoo: not an excuse |
| 17:12.08 | herlo | :) |
| 17:12.09 | findlay | Sargun: I have Mahler and Holst and Liszt today. I can send you some of their stuff |
| 17:12.09 | fozzmoo | I know. |
| 17:12.31 | Jayce^ | herlo, yeah, even *I* haven't submitted, besides the example proposal :) |
| 17:12.44 | Sargun | findlay, Is that legal? |
| 17:13.01 | findlay | depends on what you do with it |
| 17:13.30 | Sargun | play it? |
| 17:13.32 | Sargun | er |
| 17:13.34 | Sargun | listen to it? |
| 17:13.54 | herlo | Jayce^: I know, get to it |
| 17:14.24 | Jayce^ | of course, expecting more from the guru folks too.. nothing yet :) |
| 17:15.21 | herlo | Jayce^: those are being worked on |
| 17:15.59 | Jayce^ | <bill cosby "Noah" voice> RIIIIIGHT |
| 17:16.07 | findlay | Sargun: why are you so anxious for something to listen to you'd settle for Liszt |
| 17:16.40 | maquis | w00t! we beat out itunes for Music Retailer of the Year! |
| 17:17.14 | fozzmoo | maquis: Who is "we"? |
| 17:17.49 | elg | fozzmoo: maquis and her husband are bootleg music distributors in chian |
| 17:17.51 | levi | fozzmoo: maquis is a member of the Amazon collective. |
| 17:17.51 | elg | china even |
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| 17:21.36 | elg | cool, flightgear people have got the OSG branch working faster than the ol' plib branch |
| 17:21.55 | elg | OSG is cool, but I was concerned about the fact that they seemed to have so much trouble with its speed |
| 17:22.03 | elg | (since I plan on using it for something this summer) |
| 17:22.30 | elg | I'm not 100% sure, but from the wafts of irc conversations I see while lurking it looks like it was mostly a matter of switching it to "release" instead of "debug" |
| 17:22.33 | elg | doh1 |
| 17:22.56 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:23.00 | ^Migs^ | lol, we're buying a DDR pad for work now |
| 17:23.10 | levi | lolzors. |
| 17:23.11 | findlay | dual data rate! |
| 17:23.25 | ^Migs^ | are there any DDR DDR pads? |
| 17:24.09 | tristanbob_ | dancer! dancer! |
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| 18:26.53 | harleypig | hmph. Beandog's not here. |
| 18:27.09 | harleypig | Anyone familiar with package masking in gentoo? |
| 18:27.20 | findlay | harleypig: yeah |
| 18:27.29 | findlay | what do you want? |
| 18:28.00 | harleypig | I'm trying to mask my glibc so that it stays at the current version (I'm changing my CHOST) but it's not, quite, working. |
| 18:28.39 | harleypig | >sys-libs/glibc-2.3.6-r4 |
| 18:28.57 | harleypig | In package.mask and emerge -avl is trying to upgrade to r5 anyway. |
| 18:29.13 | findlay | does portage output any errors or warnings? |
| 18:30.10 | findlay | you're editing /etc/portage/package.mask, right? |
| 18:30.10 | harleypig | Nope. It just says ... oh wait. Doing it the way I just pasted, gives me this: [ebuild UD] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5-r3 [2.3.6-r4] |
| 18:30.45 | findlay | so, I guess you have to mask <sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5-r3 too :) |
| 18:31.27 | harleypig | Oh ... I didn't realize you could do multiple lnes for the same app ... I'll try that. |
| 18:31.50 | herlo | okay, so who listens to last.fm via Banshee or Rhythmbox? |
| 18:33.47 | harleypig | >=sys-libs/glibc-2.3.6-r5 |
| 18:33.47 | harleypig | <=sys-libs/glibc-2.3.6-r3 |
| 18:33.53 | harleypig | Gives me the following: |
| 18:34.11 | harleypig | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "glibc" have been masked. |
| 18:34.50 | harleypig | herlo, I used Exaile before my laptop went on vacation. |
| 18:34.51 | findlay | harleypig: is there even a version 2.3.6-r4 in portage? |
| 18:35.02 | herlo | harleypig: hmmm |
| 18:35.07 | harleypig | eix glibc reports that what's installed. |
| 18:35.24 | findlay | but that doesn't mean it could have been taken out of portage |
| 18:35.39 | harleypig | hmmm ... however there is no ebuild for that version. |
| 18:35.41 | findlay | what reason does it give for all ebuilds being masked? |
| 18:35.50 | findlay | it could be hard masked |
| 18:35.59 | herlo | harleypig: for last.fm? |
| 18:36.00 | harleypig | maybe I'm just gonna have to risk it. |
| 18:36.08 | harleypig | herlo: yeah |
| 18:36.21 | herlo | harleypig: tx |
| 18:36.24 | harleypig | findlay: I did it by putting those two lines in package.mask |
| 18:36.57 | findlay | yeah but doesn't it say masked by keyword, or package.mask, or something like that? |
| 18:37.42 | findlay | but if there's no ebuild for it, then package.mask will be it :) |
| 18:37.59 | harleypig | Yeah, they're all package.mask |
| 18:38.57 | harleypig | So I'll just have to risk >=sys-libs/glibc-2.3.7 and let it upgrade to r5 for this process. |
| 18:39.50 | findlay | harleypig: if you really want you can grab the ebuild version you want and put it in an overlay |
| 18:40.36 | harleypig | No, this is a temporary thing while I'm changing my CHOST variable. |
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| 18:48.59 | sjansen | http://www.jeff-barr.com/?p=1047 |
| 18:49.13 | sjansen | It's sad to watch a good company slowly become stupid. |
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| 18:49.19 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 18:49.47 | findlay | ^Migs^: do you know anybody in the Box Elder school district? |
| 18:49.53 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 18:49.55 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 18:50.02 | ^Migs^ | I don't get out much :( |
| 18:50.11 | findlay | my brother tells me their IT department is, um, incompetent |
| 18:50.31 | ^Migs^ | our IT dept is anything but |
| 18:50.49 | ^Migs^ | trust me, within a couple years we'll be recognized as Utah's leader in IT in K-12 education |
| 18:51.41 | ^Migs^ | I work with some very, very smart people |
| 18:51.42 | ^Migs^ | frankly, I don't even know why they stay here. they need to get out in the private sector |
| 18:51.51 | findlay | he's trying to host a site for his master's degree project and they won't let him host it anywhere else and their hosting facilities are so backward that it can't handle a flash application |
| 18:52.30 | findlay | and he can't host more than 25 Mib |
| 18:52.42 | findlay | dumb |
| 18:52.42 | ^Migs^ | haha wtf |
| 18:52.58 | ^Migs^ | we have servers out the wazoo |
| 18:53.38 | ^Migs^ | why won't they let him host it anywhere else? |
| 18:53.50 | findlay | because it has data related to the school district |
| 18:53.54 | ^Migs^ | ah, okay |
| 18:54.07 | findlay | school districts in Utah are maybe a little fascist |
| 18:54.37 | findlay | and that "data" is a video recording of his students |
| 18:54.53 | ^Migs^ | how so? because you can't take data outside? |
| 18:54.53 | findlay | see previous comment |
| 18:55.21 | ^Migs^ | well, different school districts have different budgets and such. It sounds like Box Elder hasn't really allocated adequate resources to the IT dept |
| 18:55.31 | findlay | probably |
| 18:55.45 | sjansen | findlay: That answer to any problem is a school district is "write a grant". |
| 18:55.50 | ^Migs^ | and regarding data sensitivity, there's FERPA laws we have to deal with |
| 18:56.05 | ^Migs^ | yeah, we're looking for grants |
| 18:56.28 | ^Migs^ | right now we're applying for a $2mil grant for school districts with distance education and online learning in place |
| 18:56.58 | findlay | and you're the guy to set up those smokes and mirrors? :) |
| 18:57.03 | ^Migs^ | plus within the next few years I hope that we can have a webcam in every classroom |
| 18:57.06 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 18:57.10 | ^Migs^ | well, one of the guys |
| 18:57.32 | ^Migs^ | I already set up that Icecast server I was rambling about in here before to stream live A/V content |
| 18:57.43 | ^Migs^ | I'm not aware of any other Utah school district that has that capability |
| 18:58.06 | ^Migs^ | and our portal is pretty awesome. Much better than Edline or the state-produced system. |
| 18:58.13 | findlay | my high school had a distance education room in the library |
| 18:58.34 | findlay | they picked up feeds from SLCC or something |
| 18:58.38 | ^Migs^ | that's cool |
| 18:58.47 | ^Migs^ | I can't remember which of our high schools have that in place |
| 18:58.51 | findlay | that was way back in the late 90's |
| 18:58.56 | ^Migs^ | that's more of a hardware thing. Not stuff I do. |
| 18:59.12 | ^Migs^ | it's not terribly difficult to set that stuff up anymore |
| 18:59.41 | ^Migs^ | anyway, Box Elder needs to catch up. Technology can greatly enhance education. |
| 19:00.07 | ^Migs^ | what's the main problem plaguing BE's hosting services? |
| 19:00.57 | findlay | I don't know. From what I've learned talking to my brother it sounds like either willful ignorance or incompetence or laziness |
| 19:01.14 | ^Migs^ | Weber School District still has some major problems that we need to contend with though. A big one is that all the elementary schools refuse to conform to standards we set |
| 19:01.14 | findlay | heh |
| 19:01.21 | ^Migs^ | it's been a problem about 20 years in the making |
| 19:01.53 | ^Migs^ | another one is that departments are so autonomous when they buy new software. Heaven forbid that they ask the IT department for recommendations before buying software for their department, to make sure it'll integrate well with the other systems. |
| 19:02.22 | ^Migs^ | so right now we have a ton of little apps running around, for human resources, paying school fees, clocking leave and absences, etc. |
| 19:04.31 | ^Migs^ | http://www.besd.net/ |
| 19:04.32 | brac | [Box Elder School District] |
| 19:04.37 | ^Migs^ | they need a new web site |
| 19:05.10 | findlay | truly :) |
| 19:05.29 | ^Migs^ | we do too |
| 19:05.54 | ^Migs^ | and new guy has pretty much transformed it from a dynamic site to a static site. It's annoying. |
| 19:07.19 | findlay | what really bugs me about my high school is the DN the district gave it. I went to Copper Hills HS, and what did they call it chhs.k12, you say? No, it's chills.k12 |
| 19:07.27 | findlay | ugh |
| 19:07.38 | ^Migs^ | can your brother set up his own server at BE? |
| 19:07.46 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:07.51 | findlay | ^Migs^: mega highly doubtful |
| 19:07.55 | ^Migs^ | that's pretty cool |
| 19:08.00 | ^Migs^ | what about setting up a VPN? |
| 19:08.10 | ^Migs^ | so he can host it outside? |
| 19:08.15 | findlay | nope |
| 19:08.19 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 19:08.33 | findlay | because it contains 'their data' |
| 19:08.50 | ^Migs^ | yeah, so? A good VPN is plenty secure. |
| 19:09.04 | ^Migs^ | what does he do for the school district? |
| 19:09.34 | ^Migs^ | shoot, tell him to come here. |
| 19:09.39 | findlay | he's worried about doing something too wierd (too renegade in the district's terms) that would get him in trouble |
| 19:09.50 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure we can find a way to use his master's project for our own ends |
| 19:09.58 | findlay | he's a music teacher |
| 19:10.01 | ^Migs^ | ah, okay |
| 19:10.04 | ^Migs^ | what's he trying to do? |
| 19:10.05 | findlay | at BEHS |
| 19:10.09 | findlay | not sure |
| 19:10.36 | findlay | just host a bunch of short videos |
| 19:10.38 | ^Migs^ | schools need more music teachers |
| 19:11.07 | ^Migs^ | with only 25MB storage? |
| 19:11.14 | findlay | yup |
| 19:11.40 | ^Migs^ | where are the videos stored right now? |
| 19:11.43 | ^Migs^ | or did he produce them himself? |
| 19:11.51 | findlay | he produced them |
| 19:12.02 | findlay | I guess he's got them on his laptop |
| 19:12.14 | graphyx | findlay: then he needs to host else where and link to the data at the school host. |
| 19:12.15 | ^Migs^ | he should hook up his laptop to the network |
| 19:13.02 | findlay | ^Migs^: you think http traffic from the outside could traverse the district network all the way to his laptop? :) |
| 19:13.18 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 19:13.31 | ^Migs^ | well that's part of the challenge. Surely he didn't think his master's project would be EASY, did he? |
| 19:13.38 | findlay | lol |
| 19:13.48 | ^Migs^ | why doesn't he make his project rewiring everything in the district? |
| 19:13.56 | ^Migs^ | now THAT would be a useful project |
| 19:14.14 | findlay | it's about helping kids to practice or something |
| 19:14.43 | ^Migs^ | he's ONLY allowed one server? |
| 19:15.00 | findlay | he can only serve via the district |
| 19:15.09 | findlay | whatever that means |
| 19:15.19 | ^Migs^ | so he could potentially use more than one? |
| 19:15.25 | findlay | I guess |
| 19:16.39 | ^Migs^ | but still only allowed 25 MB? |
| 19:16.46 | ^Migs^ | I guess this really isn't a tech master's project |
| 19:17.11 | findlay | I'm not sure where/how the 25 MB comes in, but it's a limit of some sort |
| 19:17.19 | ^Migs^ | that's hilarious |
| 19:17.25 | ^Migs^ | all our teachers get 2GB, more upon request |
| 19:17.38 | findlay | his school webmaster thought so too |
| 19:18.40 | findlay | well pity the teachers in the Box Elder district who have to subsist on their paltry ration of 25 MB |
| 19:19.06 | ^Migs^ | they could easily buy cheap servers for extra storage |
| 19:19.09 | findlay | I have more room for gmail spam |
| 19:19.19 | ^Migs^ | heck, we have our surplus sales they could use |
| 19:19.24 | findlay | I have more gmail spam! |
| 19:19.32 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:19.44 | ^Migs^ | they should use Google apps |
| 19:20.04 | findlay | except for the data issue |
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| 19:51.16 | findlay | well, I think I've learned SQL by accident |
| 19:51.48 | ^Migs^ | I think that's how most people learn it |
| 19:51.57 | ^Migs^ | It's probably how it came about too |
| 19:53.06 | graphyx | findlay: what did you do? |
| 19:53.13 | graphyx | and how much will it cost to fix? |
| 19:53.16 | Jayce^ | graphyx, he tripped over it |
| 19:53.44 | findlay | graphyx: I started using a DB driven website, and fortunately I've been able to recover from all of the stupid things I've done so far |
| 19:54.05 | graphyx | oh good. |
| 19:57.05 | levi | SQL most definitely didn't come about by accident. |
| 19:58.36 | findlay | SQL IS THE DELIBERATE result OF CAREFUL BUREAUCRATIC activity; |
| 19:58.45 | levi | It was created by IBM's research division in the 70s based on Codd's relational model, which he published in 1970. |
| 19:59.26 | ^Migs^ | someone barfed and thus SQL was born |
| 19:59.30 | levi | The language itself was created by Chamberlin & Boyce. |
| 19:59.55 | levi | If you know your relational theory, you will recognize the names of Boyce and Codd from the normal form named after them. |
| 20:00.52 | levi | Of course, SQL was then adopted by ANSI, which always adds a hefty dose of bureaucracy to a language. |
| 20:09.40 | findlay | I wonder if you could have something like tensor graphics |
| 20:10.28 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL2273073120070523?feedType=RSS |
| 20:10.32 | ^Migs^ | The best tourists in the world are the Japanese, followed by Americans and the Swiss, a survey based on views from hoteliers across Europe said Wednesday. |
| 20:10.37 | ^Migs^ | Swiss tourists were commended for being quiet and considerate, unlike the Britons who were judged to be the fifth worst tourists because of rude behavior, noise and a miserly attitude to tipping. |
| 20:10.40 | graphyx | how do I kill all processes for a specific user? |
| 20:10.59 | findlay | pkill? |
| 20:11.48 | ^Migs^ | lol? |
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| 20:12.32 | graphyx | that did it. |
| 20:12.35 | findlay | heh |
| 20:15.56 | findlay | that almost seems bash worth, except that I have no faith in bash ever promoting funny quotes anymore |
| 20:17.02 | ^Migs^ | yeah I thought about that too, but dismissed it |
| 20:17.14 | ^Migs^ | too many quotes already where someone does something, causing them to quit IRC |
| 20:18.50 | findlay | would be funnier if somobody posted their root pw and ip asking for help on something and then got haxored off irc |
| 20:19.22 | ^Migs^ | ya that would be lol |
| 20:19.36 | findlay | k, lets rig one |
| 20:19.41 | findlay | :) |
| 20:19.58 | findlay | just for the bash fame ... not |
| 20:20.54 | graphyx | findlay: Well it would be bash funny, except that I meant to do it. |
| 20:21.07 | graphyx | I did exactly what I had intended. |
| 20:21.27 | findlay | why did you intend to do it gr? |
| 20:21.36 | findlay | s/gr/graphyx/ |
| 20:22.11 | graphyx | I wanted to be sure that I killed a process that I started and wasn't sure that I had the right name. |
| 20:23.20 | graphyx | so I just killed everything and just relogged into the box |
| 20:23.28 | graphyx | I just happen to proxy through the same box. |
| 20:23.33 | graphyx | for my irc. |
| 20:23.39 | graphyx | so it went down as well. |
| 20:27.41 | graphyx | what do the -e and -l op for perl do? |
| 20:28.22 | fozzmoo | -e is "exists" |
| 20:28.22 | brac | aight |
| 20:28.33 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:28.39 | graphyx | -e |
| 20:28.47 | lukfugl | -l = "is a link"? |
| 20:28.48 | brac | ...eh? |
| 20:28.56 | lukfugl | heh |
| 20:29.18 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.20 | lukfugl | like -f = "is a regular file" and -d = "is a directory" |
| 20:29.29 | fozzmoo | It's all documented in 'perlfunc' |
| 20:29.33 | fozzmoo | Type 'perldoc perlfunc' |
| 20:29.38 | graphyx | ok |
| 20:29.45 | fozzmoo | It's one of the first sections |
| 20:29.50 | findlay | or perldoc -f -- -e |
| 20:29.54 | findlay | ? |
| 20:30.50 | levi | So, do you guys remember the Verizon .002 cents vs .002 dollars customer support fiasco, and the check that Randall Munroe wrote out in response? |
| 20:31.27 | Tene | I never heard about the check... |
| 20:32.06 | lukfugl | ditto Tene |
| 20:32.07 | levi | http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/graphics/verizon.jpg |
| 20:32.29 | lukfugl | heh |
| 20:32.42 | lukfugl | that's awesome |
| 20:33.17 | Tene | That is awesome. |
| 20:34.19 | levi | So, I got it forwarded to me in an email that was joking about how you should never tick off an engineer, but then proceeded to get the amount on the check completely wrong. |
| 20:34.35 | Tene | howso? |
| 20:34.37 | levi | The author mistook the i for a 2. |
| 20:34.45 | Tene | Odd. |
| 20:34.49 | levi | Yeah. |
| 20:35.08 | ^Migs^ | how could you mistake that? |
| 20:35.26 | ^Migs^ | must've been some high school dropout who only made it through 7th grade algebra |
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| 20:36.07 | findlay | so, 3.002 $? |
| 20:36.29 | findlay | wait, doesn't the sum diverge? |
| 20:37.04 | Tene | the sum converges to 1 |
| 20:37.54 | findlay | oh, I was thinking of Sum(n=1,\infty,1/n) |
| 20:38.19 | Tene | Right. |
| 20:38.56 | ^Migs^ | are we sure that was an engineer who wrote that? Why is it assumed to be an engineer? |
| 20:38.57 | levi | The amount is simply $0.002, though the idiot Verizon support people quoted that amount over the phone as zero point zero zero two cents. |
| 20:39.02 | ^Migs^ | it could've just been copied off some student's homework |
| 20:39.27 | findlay | heh |
| 20:39.36 | levi | ^Migs^: Randall Munroe is the guy who writes xkcd. |
| 20:39.52 | lukfugl | I thought the handwriting looked familiar |
| 20:39.53 | ^Migs^ | ah okay |
| 20:40.02 | ^Migs^ | I withdraw my objection |
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| 20:50.13 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 20:58.08 | bonez39 | how does one join a channel which requires a keyword..? how does one find whoever knows the keyword? |
| 20:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bonez39, keyword = "password" |
| 20:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And you append it after the channel. /join #channel keyword |
| 20:59.01 | bonez39 | ScytheBlade1, ah, but if you want to join a channel and it says, keyword required..or password required..and you don't have it, how do you find out who runs the channel? |
| 20:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | bonez39, enumerage the channel (/list iirc) or... you don't :) |
| 20:59.31 | elg | if you try to enter a building and the door is locked, how do you find out who has the key? |
| 20:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It is possible to make a hidden channel which requires a password, and no one short of hacking the server |
| 20:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Could join |
| 20:59.50 | bonez39 | yeah, there ya go elg |
| 21:00.21 | graphyx | how can you print out the stderr of the `` call in perl? |
| 21:00.57 | graphyx | nvm |
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| 21:09.56 | levi | Yo, redbeard2. |
| 21:10.32 | redbeard2 | yo |
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| 21:10.50 | graphyx | hey redbeard2 |
| 21:11.06 | dna3e8 | howdy :/ |
| 21:11.38 | redbeard2 | heya |
| 21:12.19 | levi | Congrats on the new job. |
| 21:12.26 | redbeard2 | thanks man |
| 21:12.44 | levi | Guru Labs seems to be attempting to assimilate the channel. |
| 21:14.04 | redbeard2 | maybe. i don't mind so much tho. |
| 21:14.50 | beandog | heh |
| 21:15.01 | levi | I'm afraid I just wouldn't fit in there. I don't think they'd accept my emacs usage. ;) |
| 21:15.04 | beandog | that's funny. |
| 21:15.24 | Tene | levi: neither will God. |
| 21:15.45 | lukfugl | lol |
| 21:15.52 | beandog | hee he |
| 21:15.56 | redbeard2 | levi: you're an emacs man? |
| 21:16.00 | beandog | everytime you use emacs, God creates a bug. |
| 21:16.01 | redbeard2 | geez, you think you know a guy |
| 21:16.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I think Tene wins this conversation |
| 21:16.11 | levi | Tene: That's okay; I'm sure He's got plenty of other things on me, too. |
| 21:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Tene++ |
| 21:16.42 | levi | redbeard2: I know both vim and emacs well enough to get by with them, but I use emacs more lately. |
| 21:17.39 | levi | I read my email and newsgroups in emacs, too. I like gnus much better than mutt. |
| 21:18.11 | redbeard2 | i prefer vim for text editing, but i still use bash in emacs mode. |
| 21:18.55 | levi | The command line was not meant to be modal. |
| 21:19.18 | Tene | Why not? |
| 21:19.28 | findlay | because |
| 21:20.23 | findlay | ok, so I have this zip file that has a bunch of files in it and it's supposed to be a 'printer driver' for windows. Does anybody know where to put the files? |
| 21:20.55 | redbeard2 | findlay: /dev/null? |
| 21:21.05 | levi | Because it's meant to type commands at, and typing commands does not require different input modes. |
| 21:21.08 | findlay | I tried putting it in c:WINDOWS/system32/...printers or something/ like it was on the computer that is working but that didn't do it |
| 21:21.37 | findlay | I thought you were supposed to hide installation magic in the package |
| 21:21.44 | findlay | like a good distro |
| 21:22.19 | beandog | mmm, this is sweet. |
| 21:22.31 | levi | findlay: Usually you go to the standard Windows printer installation program and tell it where to look for your driver files. |
| 21:22.34 | beandog | I'm on amd64, running vmware which is booted into a FreeBSD live cd, installing Gentoo/BSD |
| 21:22.35 | beandog | :D |
| 21:22.37 | findlay | holy plug threads batman |
| 21:22.40 | levi | findlay: That is, if the zip doesn't have an installer. |
| 21:22.48 | beandog | linux ftw |
| 21:22.57 | findlay | levi: but this zip file has tons of files in it |
| 21:22.58 | levi | Gentoo/BSD?! |
| 21:23.16 | beandog | yah |
| 21:23.22 | findlay | gentoo+ports or BSD+portage? |
| 21:23.22 | beandog | I figure if I gotta learn BSD, might as well take the easy route. |
| 21:23.23 | beandog | ;) |
| 21:23.34 | levi | BSD already has a perfectly fine package management system. |
| 21:23.36 | beandog | Uh, Gentoo + BSD toolchain + portage |
| 21:23.54 | findlay | oh, does that include the bsd libc and kernel? |
| 21:23.59 | beandog | yah |
| 21:24.05 | findlay | hm |
| 21:24.15 | beandog | theres ports of freebsd, netbsd and openbsd |
| 21:24.42 | beandog | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/index.xml |
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| 21:24.57 | levi | I'm not sure in what reality learning Gentoo/BSD constitutes learning BSD. |
| 21:25.28 | beandog | me neither. |
| 21:25.31 | beandog | I guess I'll find out. |
| 21:25.44 | levi | Or you could, you know, just install BSD. |
| 21:25.51 | graphyx | hagna: whats the word? |
| 21:26.00 | hagna | is fetchmail what I want to filter mail based on subject, sender, body on the mail server into two different mail boxes |
| 21:26.04 | hagna | graphyx: hi |
| 21:26.07 | graphyx | chances are that you already know my news. |
| 21:26.09 | beandog | Gentoo is easier to install |
| 21:26.16 | hagna | graphyx: oh yeah |
| 21:26.20 | hagna | graphyx: you are moving back? |
| 21:26.22 | beandog | at least, for me. |
| 21:26.26 | graphyx | yeah |
| 21:26.33 | graphyx | coming out this weekend to find a house |
| 21:26.49 | levi | beandog: What are you, a wimp? Isn't installation part of learning the OS? ;) |
| 21:26.56 | Tene | hagna: you want procmail |
| 21:27.07 | beandog | well, Im just taking it a little at a time. |
| 21:27.12 | hagna | Tene: procmail ok |
| 21:27.25 | hagna | Tene: can that send mail to another email based on sender, body, etc etc etc |
| 21:27.37 | hagna | and it lives on the serveR? |
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| 21:28.32 | dna3e8 | what is $display suppose to be set to |
| 21:28.35 | graphyx | 0:0? |
| 21:28.41 | findlay | ayb |
| 21:28.45 | levi | $display is generally not set at all. |
| 21:29.49 | levi | $DISPLAY is set to the address of your X server. |
| 21:29.49 | levi | For a local machine, it's usually set to :0.0 |
| 21:34.38 | Jayce^ | graphyx, what price range, area, size, etc? |
| 21:34.53 | Jayce^ | re: house hunting |
| 21:36.09 | dna3e8 | :) |
| 21:36.12 | dna3e8 | :0 |
| 21:36.15 | dna3e8 | :10 |
| 21:36.32 | findlay | :100 |
| 21:36.55 | levi | :e^(i*pi)+2 |
| 21:37.26 | findlay | \Sum_n=1^\infty 1/2^{n} |
| 21:37.45 | dna3e8 | trying to figure out what levi said cuz an emoacon was interpreted |
| 21:37.46 | levi | findlay: You forgot the colon. |
| 21:37.56 | findlay | what colon? |
| 21:38.31 | findlay | oh, heh |
| 21:38.32 | levi | The one that's part of the $DISPLAY syntax. |
| 21:38.48 | findlay | :\Sum_{n=1}^\infty 1/2^{n} |
| 21:38.53 | levi | dna3e8: Use a program that doesn't do silly emoticon translation. |
| 21:39.33 | dna3e8 | i use the one that doesn't randomly quit |
| 21:39.40 | levi | Well, suit yourself. |
| 21:40.52 | findlay | and with Wal-Mart selling suits now, it's so much easier to do, and what a bargain! |
| 21:41.13 | levi | Wow, both O'Reilly and the Pragmatic Bookshelf are doing Haskell books. |
| 21:41.23 | levi | findlay: Is an overloard anything like an overlord? |
| 21:41.56 | findlay | no, they're about 10x more evil and require 20 points on wow |
| 21:45.40 | sjansen | levi: We hired an emacs user once. Didn't we goozbach? Didn't take him long to repent. |
| 21:46.22 | levi | sjansen: C'mon. You know me better than that. |
| 21:49.22 | sjansen | levi: I didn't say I thought you had enough sense to give up your emacs-ing ways. I just said that would keep you from being hired. |
| 21:49.51 | sjansen | You'd then have to endure endless shame, but every job has its down side. |
| 21:50.05 | dna3e8 | If some one is board and would like to help me with x forwarding.... i am getting there with google... Slowly |
| 21:50.07 | findlay | endless shame's not so bad |
| 21:50.10 | levi | I use whatever tools I have to for the job, but I continue to use my preferred tools for things not job-specific. |
| 21:51.29 | levi | Thus, I write C code. |
| 21:51.36 | levi | Though I despise C. |
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| 21:51.46 | levi | I don't even hate vim. I like it. I just don't use it as much as I used to. |
| 21:52.14 | graphyx | Jayce^: umm 2500 sq 200-250K 5+ dbrms close to the airport |
| 21:52.20 | graphyx | utopia net a huge plus. |
| 21:52.21 | graphyx | =] |
| 21:54.18 | levi | Hah. |
| 21:54.31 | levi | Well, I guess close to the airport things might be a little cheaper. |
| 21:55.30 | levi | I'm looking at homes in the same price range, but further south and close to the freeway. Ain't no way you can get into a house that size where I'm looking for that much. |
| 21:57.41 | levi | Interesting article about a game called 'Travellers Dilemma': http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=7750A576-E7F2-99DF-3824E0B1C2540D47 |
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| 22:08.41 | sjansen | o/~ I'm only happy when it rains. ~/o |
| 22:09.02 | beandog | gahbage. |
| 22:09.25 | Tene | o/~ I'm frequently happy but my happines is generally greater during a storm o/~ |
| 22:13.25 | lukfugl | so is my 3 bdrm, 1900 sqft home for ~170K a good deal, then? |
| 22:13.42 | lukfugl | I guess it was only 160K, then closing costs |
| 22:14.03 | Jayce^ | what area? |
| 22:14.23 | lukfugl | central orem, quite a nice neighborhood |
| 22:14.41 | lukfugl | about a block from the OPL |
| 22:14.56 | lukfugl | maybe 2 blocks, I guess |
| 22:14.59 | Jayce^ | standalone? townhome? |
| 22:15.03 | lukfugl | standalone |
| 22:15.10 | Jayce^ | not bad |
| 22:15.49 | lukfugl | that's what we thought. but it was our first home purchase, so we didn't have much to compare to :) |
| 22:16.10 | levi | lukfugl: How long ago was that? |
| 22:17.04 | lukfugl | levi: we've been in it for about 18 months now |
| 22:17.21 | levi | lukfugl: Utah real estate went up about 24% in the last year. |
| 22:17.58 | lukfugl | w00t |
| 22:18.54 | levi | I currently own a condo, but I'm still not happy about the real estate boom. |
| 22:19.52 | dna3e8 | what is the best way to share a single mouse and keyboard between multiple computers with different operating systems, each with its own display? |
| 22:20.02 | lukfugl | dna3e8: kvm switch |
| 22:20.15 | levi | synergy |
| 22:20.57 | lukfugl | yeah, I guess mouse that's more what you're actually looking for |
| 22:21.03 | lukfugl | s/mouse // |
| 22:21.44 | lukfugl | kvm is for multiple towers with one set of keyboard/video/mouse |
| 22:22.10 | lukfugl | synergy is for sharing keyboard/mouse across multiple computers with their own displays |
| 22:24.54 | lukfugl | levi: why? (re: not happy about real estate boom). just generally wary of a bubble, etc, or something specific? |
| 22:26.48 | levi | Real estate inflation makes it difficult for people to get into decent homes if they haven't already got one. I think a lot of the boom is due to outside investment, untenable loans, and people buying more house than they can sustainably afford so they can 'flip it' and make a profit. |
| 22:28.05 | sjansen | The pain! The pain! |
| 22:28.20 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 22:28.28 | sjansen | A student just said nice things about MS Access and I'm contractually prevented from sharing how I feel about said product. |
| 22:29.23 | levi | I think it's part of what's driving down lot sizes for new construction and what gets people to buy new homes instead of fixing up nice ones in older neighborhoods, of which a lot are in rapid decline. |
| 22:29.48 | levi | I may be way off on the last bit, though. |
| 22:29.52 | sjansen | Access isn't a database. |
| 22:29.59 | levi | sjansen: Sure it is. |
| 22:30.00 | sjansen | There. I've said it. The truth is known. |
| 22:30.14 | levi | It's not a /good/ database, but it's undeniably a database. |
| 22:30.14 | sjansen | Yeah, my MySQL w/o InnoDB is a database. |
| 22:30.25 | sjansen | s/my/like/ |
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| 22:32.57 | lukfugl | levi: I agree, for the most part. Can't help but be a little excited about my own investment doing so well (in the short run, at least), though. As I don't plan on flipping my house, hopefully the market will survive any necessary adjustment so I can still have a decent ROI in the long run |
| 22:33.36 | dna3e8 | How do you get the curser to the address bar in firefox.... w/o a mouse? |
| 22:33.47 | lukfugl | dna3e8: lotsa tab |
| 22:33.53 | lukfugl | it'll get there eventually |
| 22:34.05 | dna3e8 | thanks :0 |
| 22:34.10 | lukfugl | there's probably a better way, but I don't know it |
| 22:34.35 | Tene | dna3e8: ctrl+l |
| 22:34.37 | lukfugl | ~tab dna3e8 |
| 22:34.53 | Tene | ctrl+k for the search box |
| 22:35.28 | levi | lukfugl: Yeah. I've got nothing against gradual appreciation of home values so that they're not as much of a money sink, but I'm averse to the idea of a home as an investment tool. I primarily want to own a home so that I can have control over my living space. |
| 22:35.53 | levi | My condo is only somewhat satisfying in that regard. |
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| 22:36.31 | levi | It's apartment-style, so I only really have control over the interior. |
| 22:42.54 | levi | Crazy. David Patterson, the computer architecture guru, once worked on a project called SOAR, or 'Smalltalk On A RISC'. |
| 22:45.52 | levi | Apparently the SOAR chip is an earlier member of the family that gave us the Sun SPARC. |
| 22:53.24 | levi | Speaking of homes, it's time to go to mine and continue working on the bathroom. |
| 23:06.17 | dna3e8 | Levi: synergy references a 'hostname program' do you know what that is? |
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| 23:11.02 | keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 23:11.02 | ibot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Jayce^ down |
| 23:11.15 | dna3e8 | should ::1 localhost be in my hosts file? |
| 23:11.53 | keighvin | Don't see why not. |
| 23:13.35 | keighvin | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 23:13.35 | ibot | turns redbeard2 into a lifesized tux doll |
| 23:13.55 | redbeard2 | ~whalebomb keighvin |
| 23:14.10 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at keighvin and hides. |
| 23:14.10 | keighvin | ~whalecounter redbeard2 |
| 23:14.54 | redbeard2 | ~whaleparry keighvin |
| 23:14.56 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry keighvin's attacks. |
| 23:15.15 | keighvin | Hm... |
| 23:15.20 | keighvin | ~whalecounterattack |
| 23:15.26 | keighvin | ~whalecounterattack redbeard2 |
| 23:15.28 | ibot | ACTION responds by unleashing a flurry of blows with a indescribably enormous killer whale named Nathaniel upon redbeard2. |
| 23:17.04 | redbeard2 | ~whaleflurry keighvin |
| 23:17.07 | ibot | ACTION unleashes a flurry of slaps at keighvin using Gilbert - the ideal whale for the job |
| 23:18.28 | keighvin | ~whalecrit redbeard2 |
| 23:18.37 | ibot | ACTION crits redbeard2 with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. redbeard2 dies |
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| 23:19.18 | redbeard2 | wow. i didn't see that one coming. |
| 23:19.33 | keighvin | ~whaletube redbeard2 |
| 23:20.11 | keighvin | Hm... |
| 23:21.59 | dna3e8 | pst... what is a hostname program... |
| 23:22.27 | Tene | /bin/hostname |
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| 23:22.36 | dna3e8 | TY |
| 23:24.15 | keighvin | ~whalems redbeard2 |
| 23:24.17 | ibot | ACTION oneshots redbeard2 with a mortal strike crit while wielding a whale named Lucas, whose size is comparable to that of a PS3 |
| 23:24.45 | dna3e8 | ~dance |
| 23:24.47 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
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