| 00:01.41 | findlay | vontrapp: I'm pretty dissapointed about it |
| 00:01.41 | findlay | vontrapp: but I'm glad it didn't fry my roomate's computer |
| 00:02.52 | Tene | mheath: that's too bad. there's an obsession in the US with "curing" depression and such with drugs instead of addressing the causes and dealing with it. |
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| 00:04.01 | findlay | vontrapp: yet, making sure the rail was indeed fried, I took the opportunity to throw it against the concrete with about 500 Newtons |
| 00:04.22 | findlay | the result of my experiment is that hard drive cases are much tougher than I thought |
| 00:05.09 | Tene | mheath: I'm interested in your comments on the US mental health system. |
| 00:05.15 | findlay | it got scratched and dented a little after a few throws but other than stuff floating around inside when you shook it there were no signs of hard use |
| 00:05.59 | findlay | anybody who wants can come by my apartment this evening and experiment with throwing my hard drive |
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| 00:06.08 | brac | ~onjoin elg -chat ~onjoin elg |
| 00:06.08 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 00:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Can it involve a hammer? |
| 00:06.39 | findlay | you too, Tene and mheath. You can talk about mental health of the USA while you're over |
| 00:06.53 | findlay | and we'll have deep fried twinkies |
| 00:07.03 | Tene | mheath: you back in UT? |
| 00:07.16 | Tene | findlay: no thanks. |
| 00:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | His hostmask makes me think so |
| 00:07.22 | findlay | :( |
| 00:07.34 | Tene | That really doesn't appeal to me whatsoever. It doesn't even register as "food" to me. |
| 00:07.41 | findlay | heh |
| 00:07.52 | findlay | well, you can have raw broccoli then |
| 00:07.58 | Tene | You have some? |
| 00:08.05 | findlay | yeah |
| 00:08.10 | Tene | I like broccoli. |
| 00:08.16 | findlay | it's good |
| 00:08.31 | Tene | I could purchase some on my way home from work for cheaper than the gas it would take to visit you, though, I suspect. |
| 00:09.00 | findlay | but do you have a hard drive to throw around at home? |
| 00:09.08 | Tene | If I wanted to do so, yes. |
| 00:09.11 | findlay | and a ready concrete test pad? |
| 00:09.16 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 00:09.29 | findlay | oh well. I tried |
| 00:09.52 | Tene | You didn't offer anything appealing to me, though. :( |
| 00:10.03 | findlay | :) |
| 00:10.18 | Tene | ~findlay findlay |
| 00:10.39 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
| 00:11.21 | findlay | I bet you could recreationally nmap at home too |
| 00:12.35 | findlay | thus the first hard drive I ever bought meets an ignominious end, but for the cause of science |
| 00:18.13 | Supaplex | ~lart findlays' old hard drive |
| 00:18.13 | ibot | takes findlays' old hard drive to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 00:25.33 | mheath | Tene: no, I'm still in SC |
| 00:25.36 | mheath | not out of the Navy 'yet'. |
| 00:25.54 | mheath | Doc today told me (in nicer more complicated terms) that this + my knee problems == me out of the Navy |
| 00:26.09 | mheath | Because this will almost definetly get me kicked out of the NUke field |
| 00:26.20 | mheath | And they can't send me to the fleet unless they can give me a clean bill of health. |
| 00:27.03 | jnielsen | mheath: you in Charleston? |
| 00:27.56 | mheath | YEp. |
| 00:27.56 | mheath | *Yep |
| 00:27.57 | mheath | Naval Weapons Station Charleston |
| 00:28.07 | mheath | jnielsen: why? |
| 00:28.18 | jnielsen | cool.. I live in N. Chas. and work on Daniel Island |
| 00:28.37 | mheath | Yeah, I'm in N. Chas (goose creek) |
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| 00:28.55 | brac | ~onjoin elg <action>cowers in fear |
| 00:28.56 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 00:29.20 | mheath | jnielsen: though at this rate probably wopn' |
| 00:29.23 | mheath | won't be here for long |
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| 00:30.39 | jnielsen | well, maybe you'll beat the heat |
| 00:31.13 | jnielsen | that is too bad though.. I'm still grumpy that my insurance co. doesn't cover mental health visits |
| 00:31.58 | mheath | ~praise Tricare |
| 00:32.00 | ibot | All hail Tricare! |
| 00:32.11 | mheath | I'd be so, SO screwed right now if I didn't have the worlds best insurance. |
| 00:32.24 | graphyx | mheath: you still in the service? |
| 00:32.46 | mheath | THough, I do feel guilty that all of you functionally helped pay for me to be in afreakin mental institute. |
| 00:32.53 | mheath | graphyx: yes, but almost definitely getting seperated now. |
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| 00:48.12 | ibot | cowers in fear |
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| 01:17.19 | vontrapp | findlay! |
| 01:23.18 | vontrapp | findlay: one great great use for old hard drives is refridgerator magnets |
| 01:23.45 | vontrapp | tired of those weak maggnets that drop your stuff anytime you touch them? |
| 01:23.51 | vontrapp | hd mags won't |
| 01:24.20 | vontrapp | i use one to hold a hand towell on the fridge |
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| 01:24.24 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 01:24.35 | vontrapp | ~towell elg |
| 01:24.42 | vontrapp | ~towel elg |
| 01:24.47 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:24.56 | vontrapp | :( |
| 01:25.05 | elg | your bot cowers before min |
| 01:25.06 | vontrapp | mine woulda been cooler if it existed |
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| 01:26.07 | vontrapp | so i still need a harddrive and i still have $26 in amazon moneys |
| 01:26.35 | elg | why not sell the amazon GC and go to mas or something |
| 01:26.41 | vontrapp | and i need a dipswitch |
| 01:26.55 | vontrapp | who will buy? |
| 01:27.28 | vontrapp | $26 amazon gc, $20, er i hear $21? |
| 01:27.40 | vontrapp | s/er/do/ |
| 01:28.01 | vontrapp | does mas have good drives? |
| 01:28.10 | vontrapp | is mas what it used to be? |
| 01:28.14 | vontrapp | they moved |
| 01:28.39 | vontrapp | been by once since then, and they wouldn't give $2 ethernet cables :( |
| 01:30.18 | elg | no idea |
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| 01:38.19 | fozzmoo | Someone just spilled some liquid on my desk. |
| 01:38.24 | fozzmoo | and then didn't tell me about it. |
| 01:38.29 | fozzmoo | Amazingly, my keyboard seems unaffected. |
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| 01:38.43 | fozzmoo | It's an Arch brand, in case anyone's interested. |
| 01:39.11 | fozzmoo | water or diet mtn dew, I'm sure. |
| 01:39.40 | fozzmoo | So... this keyboard survives liquid and thousands of little fragments of sunflower seed shells. |
| 01:39.46 | fozzmoo | I'm really liking it. |
| 01:40.16 | fozzmoo | I had to pull these stupid cut/copy/paste keys off below the left control and alt keys. They were just stupid and in the way. |
| 01:40.34 | fozzmoo | Oh, it's an "Anyware" brand. |
| 01:40.37 | fozzmoo | Arch is the model name. |
| 01:40.46 | fozzmoo | Everyone writing this down? |
| 01:40.47 | fozzmoo | Good. |
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| 01:57.47 | findlay | so it's a waterproof keyboard? |
| 01:57.53 | findlay | for divers |
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| 02:03.56 | graphyx | elg what did you do to the poor bot? |
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| 02:11.16 | elg | just the usual terrorization |
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| 03:30.58 | jsmith | Four, eh? |
| 03:31.24 | mrpull | i kid you not |
| 03:32.29 | mrpull | of course i have to unistall, reboot, reinstall... instead of upgrade the existing one |
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| 04:35.48 | raventh1 | mheath: yeah wasn't trying to talk you down or anything, just trying to be supportive. |
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| 04:36.50 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 04:37.43 | raventh1 | ibot: keep cowering |
| 04:37.53 | raventh1 | FOR EV ER |
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| 13:07.10 | goozbach | morning folkses |
| 13:07.19 | goozbach | I just drank a mt dew |
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| 13:08.38 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 13:08.56 | elg | -lart ibot |
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| 13:29.38 | graphyx | Isn't it just poetic when the larts are relevant? |
| 13:41.52 | ^Migs^ | holy crap: http://www.jwz.org/images/babalityqt4.gif |
| 13:42.13 | goozbach | so I was thinking... |
| 13:42.39 | goozbach | when I own a company that has many employees, I'm going to provide free cookies and milk every afternoon |
| 13:42.52 | goozbach | and have a mandatory hour break |
| 13:43.00 | goozbach | from 3-4 |
| 13:43.19 | goozbach | every office will have a couch that works for sleeping |
| 13:43.31 | goozbach | so people can take a nap |
| 13:43.50 | goozbach | wouldn't that be cool |
| 13:45.43 | goozbach | set it up so that the phones answer themselves "thank you for calling goozcorp(tm), you happend to call during the company mandated nap time. if this is an emergency, please dial your contact extension now. if not, please leave a message after the beep or call back in an hour" |
| 13:50.43 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSEIC67136920070516?feedType=RSS |
| 13:51.07 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHA http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSDEL8709820070516?feedType=RSS |
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| 13:55.56 | ^Migs^ | how do you tell if a set of headphones have good sound quality from a product description? |
| 13:58.56 | goozbach | ^Migs^: you don't you use comments and such from other people who have purchased them |
| 13:59.13 | ^Migs^ | k |
| 14:00.41 | goozbach | reviews are the only way to judge the "non quantifibles" |
| 14:01.09 | goozbach | and sound quality is a great example of a "non quantifible" |
| 14:01.47 | ^Migs^ | is "quantifible" a word? |
| 14:01.57 | ^Migs^ | or is that why you put it in quotes, to coin it? |
| 14:13.44 | elg | well, there are some numbers that mean something in this case |
| 14:13.48 | elg | frequency response etc. |
| 14:14.20 | elg | see http://headphone.com/ |
| 14:14.25 | brac | [HeadRoom - Right Between Your Ears] |
| 14:14.51 | elg | they've got lots of info on judging and choosing headphones |
| 14:16.42 | ^Migs^ | cool, thanks |
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| 14:38.02 | graphyx | anyone have a way to track down where utopia net is available? |
| 14:38.19 | graphyx | I want to find out what neighbor hoods have it for looking for a house. |
| 14:39.02 | fozzmoo | Talk to the ISPs. |
| 14:39.14 | fozzmoo | XMission can tell you if you give them an address. |
| 14:39.53 | fungus | quantifiable ;) |
| 14:40.42 | graphyx | fozzmoo: I don't have an address. |
| 14:40.52 | fozzmoo | You poor lost soul. |
| 14:40.54 | graphyx | I want a map of where I should check for houses. |
| 14:41.13 | fozzmoo | They might have something you can use. |
| 14:41.28 | fozzmoo | I just know utopianet.org is pretty much useless. :) |
| 14:41.30 | graphyx | got an email address? |
| 14:41.34 | graphyx | yes it is. |
| 14:41.47 | fozzmoo | Talk to the support or sales folks at XMission. |
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| 14:44.30 | graphyx | ok email sent. |
| 14:44.45 | graphyx | I did send an email to the utopia people and I haven't heard back from them. |
| 14:44.52 | elg | they're in utopia |
| 14:44.55 | elg | there's no email there |
| 14:45.13 | graphyx | lol |
| 14:45.23 | graphyx | Well that does sound like utopia. |
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| 15:17.08 | elg | sweet. |
| 15:18.15 | elg | bittorrent was cruising at 120KB, I initiated a large http download (which has higher priority in my setup) and though it took a little while to kick in it's pushed bittorrent down to 38KB |
| 15:18.31 | jsmith | What are you using to control your qos? |
| 15:18.47 | elg | openwrt has a qos-scripts package |
| 15:19.23 | jsmith | Nice |
| 15:20.09 | elg | which is a nasty web of shell script that uses tc to set up some hfsc qdiscs on an imq, in essence. |
| 15:20.29 | elg | voip is automatically express |
| 15:20.38 | elg | by virtue of matching the rule udp and packetsize <500 |
| 15:21.10 | elg | easy to add new rules, like I wanted openvpn to be normal not express or bulk |
| 15:22.03 | elg | not entirely well documented, unfortunately. which is a pity as there's not that much that you need to understand to use it, but without understanding it it's all greek |
| 15:22.05 | elg | i'm going to blog about it |
| 15:22.26 | elg | i'll be in utah first part of july. maybe I could do a plug meeting on qos |
| 15:22.33 | Jayce^ | elg, SOLD |
| 15:22.43 | elg | 'course that doesn't help george washington here |
| 15:23.09 | elg | first calendar |
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| 15:23.14 | elg | er, wednesday? |
| 15:23.35 | elg | oh, that's the 4th |
| 15:23.37 | Jayce^ | second wednesday |
| 15:23.58 | elg | hmmm |
| 15:24.05 | elg | probably going to be in vernal that week |
| 15:24.23 | elg | first wed. is silly too, being the 4th |
| 15:24.38 | elg | but maybe the 1st thursday or something |
| 15:24.45 | Jayce^ | maybe |
| 15:26.30 | hypernayte | Hey there, folks. Can anyone tell me if they've had any experience with mstar and MythTV in Provo, or surrounding? |
| 15:27.38 | elg | what about them? |
| 15:27.55 | elg | mstar for cable or somehting? do they do cable? |
| 15:28.14 | hypernayte | Well, I'm looking into going with Mstar, but I'd like to know if anyone has MythTV working with them. I believe they do cable. |
| 15:29.35 | hypernayte | Oh, it's fiber. |
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| 15:37.14 | ibot | cowers in fear |
| 15:38.52 | tensai | elg: I built my own qos on openwrt, following the lartc. I didn't see the qos-scripts package. |
| 15:42.51 | elg | what does yours entail? |
| 15:45.45 | tensai | hmm. looks like I based it off of a script I found somewhere. |
| 15:46.15 | elg | does it have ascii art in the comments? |
| 15:46.23 | tensai | no |
| 15:46.35 | elg | is it the wondershaper? |
| 15:46.49 | tensai | # The Ultimate Setup For Your Internet Connection At Home |
| 15:47.00 | elg | not one I'm familiar with then |
| 15:47.07 | tensai | yeah, me neither |
| 15:47.14 | elg | :) |
| 15:47.25 | elg | does it use cbq or htb or what? |
| 15:47.42 | jsmith | does it use leaky buckets? |
| 15:48.00 | tensai | cbq and sfq |
| 15:48.32 | levi | Mine uses pdq and zzt. :P |
| 15:48.51 | elg | hfsc is like htb but with the decoupling of latency and rate |
| 15:49.08 | elg | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~hzhang/HFSC/main.html |
| 15:49.11 | brac | [Hierarchical Packet Schedulers] |
| 15:49.12 | elg | cbq is teh evils |
| 15:51.38 | elg | the acronyms for the algorithms are indeed daunting, levi |
| 15:51.46 | elg | but the algorithms themselves aren't too bad, except cbq |
| 15:55.17 | elg | lartc is unfortunately becoming a bit dated |
| 15:56.13 | elg | note to would-be HOWTO writers: if you say things like "you have to patch your kernel" or "X is not well supported yet" be sure and mention, in context, what "now" is, and keep your HOWTO up to date |
| 15:56.20 | elg | otherwise you look silly in short order |
| 15:56.39 | elg | better to leave out time-sensitive info |
| 15:56.58 | levi | Or else, you don't look silly but the unfortunate people who read your HOWTO do. |
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| 15:57.56 | elg | well "needs a kernel patch" needs to be said somewhere - ideally on the website for X which hopefully also has reference documentation |
| 15:58.21 | elg | it just needs to be said somewhere where it will be updated |
| 15:58.30 | elg | and HOWTOs are notorious for never changing |
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| 16:08.51 | beandog | !seen harleypig |
| 16:09.15 | beandog | ~seen harleypig |
| 16:09.53 | ibot | harleypig <n=IceChat7@160.7.239.177> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 20h 28m 8s ago, saying: 'uh oh ... kids not staying down for nap. bbl'. |
| 16:09.53 | beandog | meh. |
| 16:09.53 | elg | -seen harleypig |
| 16:09.57 | brac | harleypig was last seen 20 hours, 27 minutes and 26 seconds ago, quitting IRC ("Download IceChat at www.icechat.net") |
| 16:09.57 | findlay | ~seen somebody |
| 16:11.01 | ibot | somebody <n=somebody@200.189.112.30> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-br, 587d 21h 6m 19s ago, saying: 'como faço para adicionar uma impressora da rede do windows no debian'. |
| 16:13.35 | Jayce^ | heh, how do I add a network printer in debian... |
| 16:13.41 | Jayce^ | (translation) |
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| 16:43.32 | elg | tensai: is your wife's name karin? |
| 16:44.24 | tensai | elg: you trying to hit on my wife or what? |
| 16:45.54 | elg | no, I'm sending you some junk mail |
| 16:46.13 | elg | making sure I have the right corey edwards |
| 16:47.01 | tensai | well, you're missing out then. she's hawt! |
| 16:47.23 | tensai | but to answer your question, yes that's me |
| 16:48.11 | elg | is this her? http://www.iwua.org/staff.html |
| 16:48.14 | brac | [THE IDAHO WATER USERS ASSOCIATION] |
| 16:50.03 | bonez39 | what are your favorite partition tools? I am leaning to gparted to set up my new 400gb drive... |
| 16:50.19 | elg | anyone else want some start? you see tensai couldn't get out of it |
| 16:52.28 | bonez39 | start? sourdough? |
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| 16:59.24 | Jayce^ | elg, neybar probably wants some of the start |
| 17:02.00 | Jayce^ | also redbeard wants some.. offline right now |
| 17:02.58 | neybar | yeah, I would probably be interested |
| 17:09.14 | hypernayte | Can anyone here activate my PLUG account that I just signed up for? :) |
| 17:09.51 | findlay | rsimpkins |
| 17:10.07 | findlay | rsimpkins is the plug activator |
| 17:10.19 | hypernayte | Thanks, findlay. |
| 17:12.08 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1667622520070517?feedType=RSS |
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| 17:22.27 | findlay | I think #4 is still my favorite Mahler symphony |
| 17:22.33 | findlay | behind #9 of course |
| 17:22.42 | findlay | bah, maybe I don't have a favorite |
| 17:26.33 | levi | It's okay to not have a favorite. |
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| 17:26.54 | levi | I don't understand the need that so many people have for favorites. |
| 17:28.09 | findlay | levi: it's not about having a favorite. It's about trying to find out what you like |
| 17:29.19 | levi | Then why ask, "what's your favorite?" when you really mean, "what do you like?" |
| 17:29.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Same reason say "The Church is true"? |
| 17:29.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Or "that's a healthy breakfast"? |
| 17:30.19 | levi | Hey, I don't have to justify my pet peeves to you guys. ;) |
| 17:30.28 | levi | Aww, Lloyd Alexander died. :( |
| 17:30.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Calling food "healthy" is one of my pet peeves. Who's that? |
| 17:31.09 | levi | He wrote the Chronicles of Prydain, of which The Black Cauldron is probably best known. |
| 17:31.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, him! |
| 17:31.50 | levi | Aww, he died two weeks after his wife. |
| 17:32.14 | beandog | he did? |
| 17:32.15 | beandog | man. |
| 17:32.19 | beandog | Im gonna name my first kid Taran. |
| 17:32.45 | levi | He was born in 1924, so he had a pretty good stretch here. |
| 17:32.59 | findlay | levi: you're right, it's ridiculous |
| 17:35.57 | findlay | but in principle it's about comparative liking |
| 17:36.09 | findlay | probably not a very worthwhile pursuit for long |
| 17:36.24 | levi | I think it's a symptom of an obsessively comparative culture. |
| 17:36.34 | findlay | sure |
| 17:36.59 | levi | A need to assign objective values to things and rank them. |
| 17:37.00 | beandog | helps me get organized |
| 17:37.16 | beandog | besides, you can quantifibly measure how much more you do like stuff. |
| 17:37.42 | levi | beandog: Perhaps how much more you like stuff at a particular moment. |
| 17:37.58 | beandog | in my case, Im pretty opinionated, so my tastes dont change much. :) |
| 17:38.07 | levi | If you rank things the same over time, then you are rather unlike me. |
| 17:38.32 | beandog | if anything, I grow more critical over time |
| 17:39.41 | beandog | but I agree that the idea of 'favorite' is silly |
| 17:39.53 | beandog | since that #1 slot always changes over what I like most *right now* |
| 17:40.23 | beandog | but as far as ranking stuff, my ratings usually dont change over time. |
| 17:40.34 | levi | Right. We all have greater or lesser feelings towards things, different criteria for judgement in different contexts, etc. |
| 17:41.02 | wps | I'm writing a shell script and need it accept a string, replace a portion with something else, and then return it |
| 17:41.08 | wps | is something like this what I want? |
| 17:41.29 | beandog | I think thers something like 12 5-star movies |
| 17:41.34 | wps | xargs sed -i -e "s/stringToReplace/stringToReplaceWith/g" |
| 17:42.01 | findlay | wps: that looks right |
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| 17:42.14 | wps | what does the g on the end do? |
| 17:42.19 | findlay | just remember that that won't get you a backup |
| 17:42.20 | beandog | replace all instances |
| 17:42.23 | findlay | global |
| 17:44.10 | wps | how do I tell it what string to do the search and replace on? |
| 17:44.31 | wps | var = xargs sed -i -e "s/stringToReplace/stringToReplaceWith/" |
| 17:44.32 | wps | ? |
| 17:45.59 | bonez39 | is there any way to test the integrity of a dvd-cd rw drive? |
| 17:46.39 | beandog | bonez39: I think k3b has some sort of stress tests |
| 17:46.42 | beandog | not sure. |
| 17:46.59 | bonez39 | ok.....I'll check that |
| 17:47.46 | bonez39 | I can't seem to read a disc in the drive...pink floyd...xmms won't see it, but gnome-cd plays it..... |
| 17:48.04 | beandog | oh, reading discs |
| 17:48.05 | beandog | meh. |
| 17:48.14 | beandog | cdparanoia might have some make tests in its Makefile |
| 17:55.58 | Lone_Wanderer | speaking of CDs |
| 17:56.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there any good way to get scratches out of them? |
| 17:56.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I foolishly left my CDs in my car when I put my dog in and didn't have him properly restrained, so his claws got all over them :( |
| 17:57.31 | Lone_Wanderer | where "properly restrained" means "purposely closing the door on his leash" |
| 17:58.59 | bonez39 | I have heard toothpaste is a commonly used abrasive .. to clean up scratches...it has .. what's the same stuff in Lava bar soap.... . pumice..... |
| 18:02.18 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Some places offer refinishing services. |
| 18:02.22 | levi | Like used CD shops. |
| 18:02.54 | Lone_Wanderer | So do you essentially polish the CD down until the scratches are gone, or is there a way to fill them in? |
| 18:02.59 | levi | Most of the thickness of the CD is on the underside, so if the scratches are there, you should be able to recover the discs. |
| 18:03.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Because some of them are so deep that polishing it down won't likely work. |
| 18:03.27 | levi | If you have deep scratches on the label side, however, you're likely screwed. |
| 18:03.37 | Lone_Wanderer | none of them are on the label side |
| 18:04.44 | levi | I'm not really sure how the refinishing process works, but I imagine it fills in deep scratches. |
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| 18:07.11 | redbeard2 | stealing kittens? |
| 18:08.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know how to make sure Adium is using OTR encryption? |
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| 18:12.24 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Apparently, car wax might be able to fill in the scratches sufficiently to temporarily play the disc and make a copy. |
| 18:12.25 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Scratched-CD |
| 18:12.25 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 18:12.25 | redbeard2 | levi: if you're talking about scratched cd's, i've done that before |
| 18:12.26 | redbeard2 | a little turtle wax, and the cd plays like new |
| 18:12.26 | levi | Nice. |
| 18:13.23 | ^Migs^ | what part of the turtle does turtle wax come from? |
| 18:14.56 | levi | Huh, I stumbled upon a thread in comp.lang.lisp I'd been ignoring, and it turns out they're now talking about implementing an interpreter for Simulink models. |
| 18:15.15 | rsimpkins | hypernayte: activating. :) |
| 18:17.35 | ^Migs^ | http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6939 |
| 18:17.37 | brac | [Utah Outdoor Forum] |
| 18:29.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow, deniable cryptography is cool and scary. |
| 18:33.53 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: turn on that toolbar thing in your conversation window and look at the lock |
| 18:34.16 | elg | levi: nuts |
| 18:34.28 | elg | that oblong thing in the upper-right corner |
| 18:34.33 | elg | of many os x windows |
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| 18:34.50 | levi | elg: I don't think they're actually /doing/ it, just coming up with CLOS object models or something. |
| 18:35.05 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: thanks I got it |
| 18:37.07 | findlay | levi: well, Mahler's 5th is quite good too :) |
| 18:37.24 | findlay | it might even be my favorite |
| 18:37.30 | findlay | right now :) |
| 18:41.37 | levi | elg: Actually, it looks like someone already did it. The discussion is mostly about macros, though. |
| 18:42.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh, kissing chimps. |
| 18:49.27 | levi | Cool, IronPython+DLR is now working on Mono. |
| 19:00.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if it's possible to put something inside of someone's body in such a way that it's safe to put it in, but that it can't be removed without killing them. |
| 19:00.47 | ^Migs^ | like in Alien |
| 19:01.19 | ^Migs^ | make it explosive |
| 19:01.24 | ^Migs^ | explosive RFID chips |
| 19:01.34 | findlay | why would you do that? |
| 19:01.48 | elg | so that you can't escape |
| 19:02.09 | Lone_Wanderer | in such a way that it can't be accessed without their cooperation |
| 19:02.29 | Lone_Wanderer | so, like, putting in their fingertip wouldn't work because you could just chop it off |
| 19:02.43 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: what, require the user to insert the rfid sensor down their throat to read the chip? |
| 19:02.59 | Lone_Wanderer | No, because you could hold someone down and clamp their mouth open. |
| 19:03.31 | Tene | then the only option is requiring the user to know something. |
| 19:03.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess so, yeah. |
| 19:03.38 | findlay | why don't you want people to escape without their encryption? |
| 19:03.48 | elg | otherwise, worst case they just tote around the dead body |
| 19:04.03 | elg | if they can't cut the piece of the body off |
| 19:04.41 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: the *real* threat you need to defend against is the rubberhose exploit. |
| 19:04.49 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd work if you could electronically verify that the person is alive and calm. |
| 19:04.50 | Tene | *every* cryptosystem *ever* is vulnerable to it. |
| 19:04.51 | Lone_Wanderer | What's that? |
| 19:05.10 | findlay | or just put it in the replicator and make a new one |
| 19:05.12 | Tene | That's where you take the user, lock them in a tiny concrete room, and beat them with a rubber hose until they give you their crypto keys. |
| 19:06.44 | findlay | or use a Vulcan mind meld |
| 19:06.54 | findlay | I think that would be cheaper and easier |
| 19:07.07 | levi | Assuming you have a Vulcan handy. |
| 19:07.16 | Tene | And no rubber hose. |
| 19:07.31 | findlay | almost as handy as death chips |
| 19:10.52 | levi | That reminds me of the Harkonnen heart plug thingies from the Dune movie. |
| 19:18.27 | beandog | dangit |
| 19:18.30 | beandog | now I want a rubber hose |
| 19:19.12 | beandog | freak, ebay has everything |
| 19:19.22 | maquis | beandog: going to order one, eh? |
| 19:19.28 | maquis | beandog: might i suggest checking amazon? |
| 19:20.24 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/NECA-Harry-Potter-Hedwig-Pillow/dp/B000Q8UA1A/ |
| 19:20.25 | beandog | that's cool |
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| 19:23.52 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Big-Electronic-Games-43100-Konami/dp/B000GYV4W8/ |
| 19:23.54 | beandog | free shipping! |
| 19:24.03 | ^Migs^ | zomgzomgomz |
| 19:24.20 | beandog | I'm actually pretty tempted to get one. |
| 19:25.54 | beandog | gut the thing and put a mame box in there |
| 19:25.59 | beandog | that would be sweet. |
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| 19:28.59 | atoponce | ~seen spr |
| 19:29.29 | ibot | spr <n=spr@c-67-161-13-42.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 12d 23h 21m 24s ago, saying: 'rsimpkins: in the next month'. |
| 19:29.35 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Midway-Series-I-Arcade-Game/dp/B000AQHKR0/ |
| 19:29.36 | beandog | this one has Joust |
| 19:29.36 | beandog | :D |
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| 19:34.00 | ^Migs^ | http://store.theonion.com/product_info.php?products_id=171 |
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| 19:43.25 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: what was up with the heart plug anyway? |
| 19:44.12 | levi | If the Baron got mad at you, he'd pull it and you'd die. |
| 19:44.18 | Lone_Wanderer | That's it? |
| 19:44.36 | levi | It's been a while, but that was the gist of it. |
| 19:44.42 | Lone_Wanderer | It seems like it's kind of a dangerous way to do things. |
| 19:44.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, what if you caught it on something on accident? |
| 19:44.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Couldn't the Baron just carry around a pistol? |
| 19:45.17 | levi | That wasn't quite as good at inspiring terror. |
| 19:45.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Or wait until he got mad and *then* have it installed, just so that he could pull it out? |
| 19:45.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess not. |
| 19:45.52 | levi | It wasn't the sort of atmosphere in which human life was highly valued. |
| 19:45.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently. |
| 19:46.07 | levi | He probably didn't want anyone stupid enough to get his plug stuck on something around anyway. |
| 19:46.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Wasn't he the guy who cultured infections in his own body? |
| 19:46.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I'd be worried that if I got in a fight, the guy I'm fighting would just yank mine out. |
| 19:46.52 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to get my wife that shirt for her birthday |
| 19:46.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Killing people is easy enough as it is without giving them easy access to your bloodstream. |
| 19:46.55 | ^Migs^ | that'll be loads of laughs |
| 19:47.02 | Lone_Wanderer | What shirt? |
| 19:47.13 | ^Migs^ | http://store.theonion.com/product_info.php?products_id=171 |
| 19:47.14 | Lone_Wanderer | The one from the Onion? |
| 19:47.15 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 19:47.22 | ^Migs^ | and I'm TOTALLY kidding |
| 19:47.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Nice. |
| 19:47.26 | findlay | I thought the onion was a fake site |
| 19:47.42 | Lone_Wanderer | it's a real site, but the news they report is fake |
| 19:47.43 | ^Migs^ | hey can still sell merchandise |
| 19:47.50 | ^Migs^ | it's not fake, it's "satire" |
| 19:47.57 | Lone_Wanderer | and let's be honest, Americans are always blaming their problems on someone else. |
| 19:48.07 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's the great part of it |
| 19:48.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Even if it's the genes they got from their parents. |
| 19:48.42 | findlay | it's a real site with fake stuff on it? |
| 19:48.54 | ^Migs^ | uh yeah |
| 19:49.02 | findlay | is that possible? |
| 19:49.03 | ^Migs^ | how exactly can you have a "fake site?" |
| 19:49.07 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, theonion.com (beware work-unsafe ads) |
| 19:49.14 | ^Migs^ | there's work-unsafe ads? |
| 19:49.16 | findlay | with real ads? |
| 19:49.20 | Lone_Wanderer | There used to be. |
| 19:49.22 | ^Migs^ | I've never seen any, but then I don't pay much attention to ads |
| 19:49.29 | findlay | adblock plus |
| 19:49.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Well when they've got half-naked women advertising sex toys... |
| 19:49.49 | ^Migs^ | that would've drawn my attention, and I remembre nothing like that |
| 19:50.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe they stopped using them. It's been a long time (like years) since I went there, specifically because of the ads. |
| 19:52.48 | ^Migs^ | yeah, ads like that bug me too |
| 19:53.38 | ^Migs^ | especially when you come to a site like that, and someone strolls by and glimpses at your computer |
| 19:57.50 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 20:01.25 | jared | That's why you use links or lynx |
| 20:01.56 | ^Migs^ | uh, no. That's why I use ad blockers |
| 20:04.06 | beandog | privoxy!!@#@spam |
| 20:08.27 | ^Migs^ | do you ever thoughts of doing something extremely inappropriate that would instantly get you fired? |
| 20:08.36 | ^Migs^ | s/ever/ever have/ |
| 20:12.12 | beandog | I actually didnt die for once, sweet |
| 20:12.32 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/games/lotgd/home.php? |
| 20:12.33 | brac | [Legend of the Green Dragon] |
| 20:15.15 | ^Migs^ | I haven't played that in awhile |
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| 21:00.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it possible to receive physical documents anonymously? |
| 21:03.45 | rhale | have them send "general delivery" to your post office |
| 21:03.55 | rhale | but you'd still need a name on them |
| 21:03.59 | Lone_Wanderer | But then I have to go there in person to pick them up. |
| 21:04.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is not anonymous. |
| 21:04.15 | rhale | send them to your neighbors ? |
| 21:04.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Still not anonymous. |
| 21:06.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably you'd have to send it outside of the country and have someone read it and retype it and then post it to a public forum online. |
| 21:08.46 | levi | http://www.iadis.org/ijwi/files/vol4_issue1/5_Aimeur.pdf |
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| 21:14.09 | beandog | err |
| 21:14.20 | beandog | that didnt make sense |
| 21:19.53 | bonez39 | is it normal for a hard drive to run fairly hot? would a drive last longer if i had a fan pulling air over it? |
| 21:21.39 | Tene | likely |
| 21:24.16 | ^Migs^ | whoa. The new janitor girl is rather...curvy. |
| 21:29.16 | elg | ~distract ^Migs^ |
| 21:29.25 | ibot | ACTION puts on a black wig and saunters past ^Migs^ with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 21:34.46 | beandog | bonez39: yes and somewhat |
| 21:38.35 | bonez39 | beandog, I won't get too worried, but if I see a nice add-on case fan, I'll grab it |
| 21:39.31 | ^Migs^ | bye everyone |
| 21:39.46 | beandog | bueno |
| 21:44.44 | levi | Wow, the guy with the Star Trek flat finally sold it. |
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| 21:57.24 | elg | star trek flat? |
| 22:08.07 | bonez39 | flat=apartment it's decked out like the Holodeck...doors, sound...all the works..... |
| 22:08.24 | bonez39 | except it doesnt' REALLY hit warp speed...unless hit by a nuke......hehe |
| 22:08.52 | jared_ | are there pics or video of the flat? where is it at? |
| 22:11.37 | Lone_Wanderer | ouch |
| 22:11.37 | Lone_Wanderer | the worst part about HCl is that it wouldn't dissolve you too quickly |
| 22:14.51 | bonez39 | here's a question... .... I want to set up my son with a pop email account at home...I have one machine running linux and want it to be the email server at home.. my son's pc is networked....through my wrt54g router.....how do I set up Outlook on my son's pc running xp.....so that it will route email to the linux box and from there out? |
| 22:15.42 | Tene | bonez39: outlook server settings 'outgoing mail server' or some such |
| 22:22.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Talking to Brits can be interesting. |
| 22:28.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Talking about duty-free shops: "Just stick to booze and fags, I reckon. You can't really go wrong with booze and fags. Even if you don't drink or smoke you can sell them on and make a few quid profit, to spend on what passes for excitement in your booze and fag free life." |
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| 22:31.35 | beandog | jared_: boingboing.net covered it |
| 22:32.55 | bonez39 | I received an email a while ago...today, which is text.. all centered with stuff at the top in wide left margin..this is reading it using mutt...I'd like to reformat this, so I can print it out on a couple pages instead of 10 to 15 pages with wasted space...anyone know how to accomplish this? |
| 22:34.12 | Lone_Wanderer | copy and paste into a plain text editor? |
| 22:34.28 | Lone_Wanderer | oh wait, it's that way in mutt? |
| 22:34.54 | Tene | bonez39: 'fmt'? |
| 22:36.32 | levi | Yeah, mutt should have an option to pipe the mail through an external process like fmt. |
| 22:39.04 | Tene | Man, I could really go for some stir-fry. |
| 22:40.46 | jared_ | thanks beandog |
| 22:40.51 | jared_ | nice read |
| 22:42.56 | bonez39 | is fmt a tool? editor? |
| 22:43.28 | beandog | I think fmt just formats stuff |
| 22:43.32 | beandog | cat email | fmt -us |
| 22:43.39 | beandog | 80 char width, etc... something else. |
| 22:43.46 | beandog | all I remember is thats what I use on my changelogs. |
| 22:44.08 | bonez39 | how do I just get rid of all the end of line and returns? that would make it all just raw text.... |
| 22:48.21 | levi | bonez39: Did fmt not work for you? |
| 22:49.29 | bonez39 | levi, fmt is very new to me...so I am a bit weak with it yet...if I could jsut strip off the CR and EOL ... I'd think that would clean it up a lot |
| 22:50.19 | bonez39 | the email is a long news release piece...the margins at each side a couple inches..so what would 2 to 3 pages...turns into 20....with narrow short lines........ waste of paper to print it out like that |
| 22:50.37 | levi | Did you try running it through fmt? |
| 22:52.00 | bonez39 | levi, as i said...I don't know how to work fmt yet.. I try | fmt..it just displayed it all, without much apparent change..and then brought up the same email message.... |
| 22:54.33 | levi | Try | fmt -u |
| 22:54.56 | bonez39 | ok |
| 22:56.47 | bonez39 | hmm lots of html code.... |
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| 22:59.53 | levi | So is mutt interpreting the html itself, or is it calling out to lynx or w3m or something? |
| 23:00.15 | beandog | I think it uses lynx |
| 23:00.20 | findlay | I don't think mutt has an html engine |
| 23:13.53 | bonez39 | levi, I found a plain text version attached....but still there is lots of wasted space..the lines return half way across the column..instead of fitting every line full |
| 23:15.59 | levi | Yeah, fmt doesn't seem to like getting rid of leading whitespace. |
| 23:16.46 | levi | Sorry, I don't have a better solution for you short of loading it in vim and doing a visual block delete of the leading whitespace, then running it through fmt again. |
| 23:19.25 | levi | Alternatively, you could use emacs, C-x r d, and M-q |
| 23:20.25 | levi | C-x r d is the key binding for rectangle-delete and M-q is fill-paragraph |
| 23:22.28 | levi | Time for me to head home. |
| 23:22.30 | levi | Good luck. |
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