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| 00:21.45 | graphyx | Does anyone know where utopia is or isn't available in general? |
| 00:23.06 | herlo | graphyx: there's a website with soem details |
| 00:32.36 | Tene | http://www.suseblog.com/?p=207 -- the bit about bluetooth headsets seems... random and weird. can anyone explain to me what the objections are based on? |
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| 02:01.29 | graphyx | herlo: You still doing gaming night? |
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| 03:31.44 | vontrapp | i've never seen it take so long to bring up a network interface as in ubuntu |
| 03:43.10 | vontrapp | how do i tell if things are set up properr for ip masquerading? |
| 03:43.30 | vontrapp | it should be, but it doesn't work |
| 03:50.26 | tensai | vontrapp: cat /proc/sys/net/ip_forward |
| 03:50.35 | tensai | iptables -t nat -L PREROUTING -nv |
| 03:51.07 | jsmith | s/ n / an / |
| 03:51.13 | tensai | I just know the bits that I know |
| 03:51.32 | jsmith | too modest, as usual |
| 03:52.40 | vontrapp | what! i thought i fixed that already!! |
| 03:54.04 | vontrapp | rk, 1 is in ip_forward |
| 03:54.18 | vontrapp | vontrapp@dernhelm ~$ sudo iptables -t nat -L PREROUTING -nv |
| 03:54.19 | vontrapp | Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 936 packets, 149K bytes) |
| 03:54.43 | vontrapp | and i guess it does work |
| 03:54.54 | vontrapp | except not the vpn |
| 03:55.50 | tensai | are there any rules in PREROUTING? |
| 03:56.06 | tensai | you don't want to ACCEPT, you want to MASQUERADE |
| 03:58.13 | tensai | d'oh! it's POSTROUTING |
| 03:59.11 | tensai | oh, and make sure there's an accept rule in FORWARD |
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| 04:41.15 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 04:41.20 | elg | any other openwrt users here? |
| 04:41.28 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 04:41.28 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on elg |
| 04:41.55 | bonez41 | what's openwrt? |
| 04:42.48 | elg | an open firmware/distro for WAPs |
| 04:42.54 | elg | like the wrt54g |
| 04:44.18 | bonez41 | ah, I recently bought v 8.0 of linksys wrt54g.....sadly...my v8 unit is not so upgradeable...to better firmware....or is this still an option for me? |
| 04:46.26 | elg | probably not. I'm not familiar with the wrts actually, because I know linksys has a history of changing chipsets even in the same version, and usually for the worse |
| 04:46.37 | elg | i think I heard the later models aren't compatible |
| 04:46.57 | elg | other routers are compatible with the ever popular (early model) linksys wrt54g |
| 04:47.03 | elg | like my buffalo |
| 04:50.49 | elg | lol. http://sulako.blogspot.com/2006/08/when-i-get-cat-im-totally-taking-it.html#links |
| 04:51.47 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here know what is the recommended driver for a ralink rt2500 card? |
| 04:51.49 | nick125_lappy | (USB) |
| 04:53.56 | elg | if it's the one i'm thinking of, you can either do it with ndiswrapper or an opensource driver |
| 04:54.10 | elg | and if it is, I got it working fine with the opensource one. |
| 04:54.35 | nick125_lappy | I really want to use this adapter for packet injection |
| 04:54.37 | elg | fine as in my m-i-l's desktop upstairs that never moves worked fine until they moved the stupid WAP down into the basement. |
| 04:54.44 | elg | fancy things like that, I can't say |
| 04:54.55 | nick125_lappy | (I want to try to crack WEP on a few of my friends routers, with permission of course) |
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| 05:08.20 | nick125_lappy | Yay, I think I got it working |
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| 05:11.50 | Tene | nick125_lappy: download and boot the backtrack livecd and see what it uses. |
| 05:11.57 | Tene | it has *excellent* driver coverage |
| 05:38.04 | nick125_lappy | Wow, I can't believe this is actually working. |
| 05:38.15 | nick125_lappy | It has the first 4 parts of my WEP key |
| 05:50.37 | nick125_lappy | It just finished. Wow. Only took about 40 minutes to crack, including trying to get things working |
| 05:51.12 | Tene | *nod* |
| 05:51.49 | nick125_lappy | I bet it wouldn't take this long now that I know how to do packet injection |
| 05:52.16 | nick125_lappy | It took aircrack-ng 4 seconds to crack my wep key with 300k IVs |
| 06:05.03 | nick125_lappy | I love asterisk so much. |
| 06:06.16 | nick125_lappy | I should make a network monitor that calls me as well |
| 06:07.24 | nick125_lappy | I remember the last automated monitoring script I made.. |
| 06:07.38 | nick125_lappy | I had a script SMS me if my IRC server was down..I made a small mistake.. |
| 06:07.50 | nick125_lappy | I ended up with about 1500 SMS messages on my phone |
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| 06:44.29 | herlo | graphyx: yes gamenight started up again tonight |
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| 13:07.08 | ^Migs^ | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5870952&sourceid=14048323110513009819 |
| 13:07.10 | ^Migs^ | not a bad deal |
| 13:11.04 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/05/hubble_finds_la.html |
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| 13:15.11 | ^Migs^ | missed the live audio stream, unfortunately :( |
| 13:20.14 | ^Migs^ | haha http://www.theonion.com/content/news/hallmark_scientists_identify_3_new?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 13:22.22 | graphyx | that one was funny |
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| 13:23.33 | graphyx | ok, I need some help |
| 13:24.19 | graphyx | what is the best way to make sure that a job offer from a company in slc is good? |
| 13:24.41 | jsmith | Does the company have a Dunn & Bradstreet number? |
| 13:25.22 | graphyx | I don't know |
| 13:25.28 | graphyx | how could I find that out? |
| 13:25.31 | graphyx | its a big company |
| 13:26.19 | jsmith | Ah, that probably wouldn't help you then |
| 13:26.29 | ^Migs^ | go visit them |
| 13:26.29 | jsmith | Oh, *that* big company |
| 13:26.51 | ^Migs^ | define "good" |
| 13:26.53 | jsmith | So, the company is obviously real... what exactly are you worried about? |
| 13:28.03 | graphyx | Well, they gave me an offer, but it is a bit lower that expected. I want to know if/what I can realistically counter for. |
| 13:28.21 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 13:28.41 | jsmith | The eternal question... "How much can I ask for without compromising my position" |
| 13:28.46 | graphyx | right. |
| 13:29.06 | jsmith | I'd say you need to be able to *show* them why you're worth more. Be ready with hard evidence |
| 13:29.11 | graphyx | I do have a position of strength, but I do want some of the other benefits that would be provided. |
| 13:29.58 | jsmith | Then I'd be honest with them |
| 13:30.02 | jsmith | Come right out and say that |
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| 13:41.04 | elg | i think you should try mind control |
| 13:41.11 | elg | any secret government facilities in your area? |
| 13:46.51 | jsmith | elg: In my area? Of course! |
| 13:51.24 | elg | well I was thinking graphyx, but maybe you can help him out |
| 13:52.07 | goozbach | jsmith: you live just around the corner from "the farm" don't you? |
| 13:52.09 | graphyx | elg: not here. |
| 13:53.07 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm just south of Quantico |
| 13:53.26 | jsmith | goozbach: And to be honest, I'm not sure exactly where the "farm" is, geographically speaking |
| 13:55.44 | goozbach | I know it's somewhere near Quantico |
| 13:56.15 | goozbach | of course I was blindfolded and stuck in a trunk when I made the trip to/from... |
| 13:56.31 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:00.07 | graphyx | the farm? |
| 14:00.11 | graphyx | what do you mean? |
| 14:01.50 | jsmith | You're not a big Tom Clancey fan, are you :-) |
| 14:02.27 | graphyx | not too much |
| 14:02.41 | graphyx | read some |
| 14:02.50 | graphyx | but certainly not everything |
| 14:03.03 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Peary |
| 14:05.37 | goozbach | I was wrong, it's near Willamsburg |
| 14:05.45 | goozbach | but still in the same state |
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| 15:05.20 | ^Migs^ | LOL |
| 15:05.28 | ^Migs^ | Moodle has a library file called /lib/womenslib.php |
| 15:06.44 | ^Migs^ | it redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation |
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| 15:39.14 | graphyx | ^Migs^: If you require_once it, do you have make sure no sexist comments are in the code? |
| 15:39.27 | graphyx | and that the female programmers are paid the same as the others? |
| 15:40.15 | levi | ^Migs^: Apparently chemo for my sister-in-law's cancer is working way better than they expected. |
| 15:40.21 | ^Migs^ | oh good |
| 15:40.30 | ^Migs^ | I'm so glad to hear that, levi. Do they think she'll pull through? |
| 15:40.36 | graphyx | I have a funny story about that. |
| 15:40.46 | ^Migs^ | a funny story about brain cancer? |
| 15:40.48 | levi | Well, she'll be around for a while longer, anyway. |
| 15:40.57 | graphyx | My cousin was going through med school and was learning about cat scans. |
| 15:41.10 | graphyx | So he asked his wife to be his subject. |
| 15:41.32 | graphyx | And they found a tumor from that scan. |
| 15:41.32 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 15:41.32 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 15:41.32 | graphyx | it was caught amazingly early |
| 15:41.56 | graphyx | and I beleive that they were able to take care of it from having the early detection. |
| 15:42.23 | levi | I don't think that's very funny, but it's definitely cool that it was found so early. |
| 15:42.28 | ^Migs^ | now let's hear a funny story about infanticide |
| 15:42.30 | graphyx | ^Migs^: You feeling one of those feelings that hallmark just figured out how to express on their cards? |
| 15:42.42 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 15:42.42 | graphyx | levi right |
| 15:43.02 | graphyx | perhaps funny isn't the right term |
| 15:43.30 | graphyx | I guess I can count myself out of the running for a hallmark card researcher. |
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| 15:43.40 | levi | I think 'serendipitous' is the right adjective. |
| 15:43.43 | ^Migs^ | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=455037&in_page_id=1770 |
| 15:46.55 | ^Migs^ | It sounds like they just arrested him because they were embarassed. |
| 15:51.55 | lukfugl | yeah. I don't fault them for the mistake, but arresting him instead of apologizing is the real WTF |
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| 15:53.22 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
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| 15:54.26 | graphyx | lukfugl: yeah |
| 15:54.43 | graphyx | I screwed up, but I am so ticked off about it that I want to take it out on you as well. |
| 15:54.49 | graphyx | so come back with me . |
| 16:02.15 | ^Migs^ | maybe the guy in the house had a pissy attitude, and the article just doesn't mention it |
| 16:02.39 | ^Migs^ | although he IS the one who called them |
| 16:08.21 | vontrapp | woooo! $26 amazon gift cert from spare change!! |
| 16:08.34 | vontrapp | time for a new hd |
| 16:10.07 | vontrapp | and not a single quarter in the whole lot |
| 16:16.14 | vontrapp | what are the best hd brands? |
| 16:16.44 | vontrapp | why the heck are there hds here for > $1/GB? |
| 16:17.59 | Jayce^ | Seagate 5 year warranty |
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| 16:18.59 | vontrapp | no seagate on amazon |
| 16:19.20 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 16:19.22 | vontrapp | WD, ibm, maxtor, simpletech, apricorn |
| 16:19.28 | ^Migs^ | $1/GB? That's ridiculous |
| 16:19.36 | lukfugl | her you go, vontrapp: http://tinyurl.com/ypvwq9 |
| 16:19.38 | vontrapp | yeah, tell me about it |
| 16:19.52 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 16:20.14 | lukfugl | only $13.22/gb |
| 16:20.22 | vontrapp | wtf? |
| 16:21.05 | lukfugl | the sad thing is, that was the *first* result on a google products search for "hard disk drive" |
| 16:21.11 | vontrapp | should i be wary of used? |
| 16:21.38 | ^Migs^ | or refurb |
| 16:22.15 | vontrapp | this is the best deal i can find on amazon |
| 16:22.18 | vontrapp | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00005ICE8/ref=dp_olp_2/105-3070983-5319640?ie=UTF8&qid=1179332240&sr=1-4 |
| 16:23.00 | vontrapp | it's 80G but the list price is 149?? |
| 16:23.06 | vontrapp | amazon sucks!! |
| 16:23.16 | vontrapp | -lart maquis |
| 16:24.38 | vontrapp | ond the buffer is only 2mb? |
| 16:24.42 | vontrapp | lame |
| 16:25.34 | lukfugl | vontrapp: just get an external, like http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Porsche-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B000H94W4O/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3148403-1661763?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1179332677&sr=1-1 |
| 16:26.12 | lukfugl | $0.38/gb |
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| 16:26.21 | lukfugl | I've been happy with my LaCie |
| 16:26.22 | vontrapp | but i need an internal |
| 16:26.38 | findlay | so take it out of the enclosure |
| 16:26.48 | ^Migs^ | I'm totally buying that used 8.1 GB hard drive for $98 |
| 16:26.54 | findlay | why are you trying to buy a hard dsk from amazon? |
| 16:26.55 | lukfugl | LaCie isn't an easily opened enclosure :) |
| 16:26.56 | vontrapp | yeah, but my gift card is only $26 |
| 16:27.30 | findlay | lukfugl: I suppose most aren't |
| 16:27.30 | lukfugl | http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Drive-250GB-SATA-300-Internal/dp/B000AMDZNC/ref=sr_1_10/102-3148403-1661763?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1179332677&sr=1-10 |
| 16:27.56 | lukfugl | ~lart vontrapp's search-fu |
| 16:27.56 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack vontrapp's search-fu |
| 16:28.32 | vontrapp | i'm not afraid of opening an enclosure |
| 16:28.34 | lukfugl | I have no idea on the quality of Western Digital, but there's an internal for <$1/gb |
| 16:29.01 | ^Migs^ | WD's okay |
| 16:29.11 | vontrapp | i don't have sata |
| 16:29.19 | lukfugl | LaCie's aren't really enclosure's anyways. I have a feeling they're quite integrated on the inside, rather than just being and IDE stuck in a case |
| 16:29.23 | vontrapp | unless i can get my other mobo to work |
| 16:29.51 | lukfugl | http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-WD2500JB-Caviar-Drive/dp/B0002F8578/ref=sr_1_18/102-3148403-1661763?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1179332677&sr=1-18 |
| 16:30.13 | lukfugl | $0.31/gb |
| 16:30.17 | lukfugl | EIDE |
| 16:30.45 | vontrapp | i could probably supplement my card to $40 |
| 16:30.58 | vontrapp | so i need something around $40 or less |
| 16:31.47 | findlay | you can buy a CD on amazon for about that much |
| 16:32.15 | vontrapp | used 160gb for $50 |
| 16:32.41 | Lone_Wanderer | When downloading large files over HTTP, is it normal for the downloads to fail a lot? |
| 16:33.13 | vontrapp | depends on the server |
| 16:33.15 | findlay | not in my experience |
| 16:33.26 | vontrapp | and the connection |
| 16:33.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Because I've got this web site I'm working on where people can buy MP3's and download them |
| 16:33.58 | vontrapp | i've had my apt downloads fail over and over |
| 16:34.01 | Lone_Wanderer | and they don't want to sit around clicking "download next song" every time a download finishes |
| 16:34.15 | levi | Hmm, Pat Eyler started an Erlang group in Provo? |
| 16:34.18 | Lone_Wanderer | so they told me to add all the files to a single zip |
| 16:34.29 | lukfugl | vontrapp: http://www.amazon.com/Compaq-Hard-drive-270-internal/dp/B0007VCAZK/ref=sr_1_206/102-3148403-1661763?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1179333206&sr=1-206 |
| 16:34.35 | lukfugl | that one's under $50 :) |
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| 16:34.52 | Lone_Wanderer | so I did that, but now the customer can't download the zip files (which are huge, 'cause they've got multiple mp3's in them) |
| 16:35.11 | vontrapp | wooo |
| 16:35.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I can download them fine. But they keep insisting that there's some problem with the server - code or otherwise - that's preventing them from downloading the zip files. |
| 16:35.32 | lukfugl | levi: an informal one, from what I here. I planned on attending their last meeting, but thought it was on thursday when it was actually on tuesday, so I missed it |
| 16:35.53 | levi | Hmm, cool. |
| 16:36.08 | lukfugl | s/here/hear/ |
| 16:36.10 | levi | I'll have to see about attending, too. |
| 16:36.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I've verified that the zip files aren't corrupt by sshing into the server and unzipping them. I'm quite certain that it's impossible for the download link to be displayed before the zip file has finished being created. |
| 16:37.05 | Lone_Wanderer | But The Boss keeps saying "We need to fix the zip downloads, they can't download them." |
| 16:37.21 | vontrapp | what i really want is just a 40G for $20 |
| 16:37.29 | vontrapp | is that too much to ask? |
| 16:38.44 | levi | The Novell campus is a long drive from here, though. |
| 16:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone have any suggestions on things I can check vis a vis the server? I can't think of anything I haven't checked already. |
| 16:38.45 | findlay | vontrapp: I have a 120 Gb eide drive I'll sell you for $20 |
| 16:38.45 | lukfugl | findlay: will you take payment in the form of an amazon gift certificate? :) |
| 16:38.45 | vontrapp | will you take $26 amazon gift certificate? |
| 16:38.47 | ^Migs^ | haha, missed REQUIRES RETURN OF DEFECTIVE PART on the auction |
| 16:38.57 | findlay | vontrapp: sure |
| 16:39.01 | ^Migs^ | not only is it a used 8.1 GB HDD for $98, you have to return a bad 8.1 GB when you buy it |
| 16:39.03 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: yeah :/ |
| 16:39.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Or possibly different ways I can say "Just because they can't download the file doesn't mean there's a problem with the server." |
| 16:39.19 | lukfugl | vontrapp: looks like you're set |
| 16:39.36 | vontrapp | findlay: sold |
| 16:39.44 | findlay | vontrapp: yea |
| 16:39.45 | vontrapp | you can buy your favorite book |
| 16:39.53 | vontrapp | whehre do you live? |
| 16:39.59 | findlay | I'll have maquis wrap it for me |
| 16:40.06 | lukfugl | I just hit the $20 mark on the search for "hard drives" (sorted by price) on amazon and the biggest drive I've seen was 3gb |
| 16:40.14 | lukfugl | so yeah, lart amazon |
| 16:41.15 | findlay | google maps search-fu suxorz |
| 16:41.31 | vontrapp | findlay: it does work, right? |
| 16:41.49 | vontrapp | findlay: when can i get it from you? |
| 16:41.54 | findlay | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1564+Moon+River+Dr+Provo,+UT |
| 16:41.59 | findlay | vontrapp: yeah, it works |
| 16:42.14 | findlay | it's kind of loud though |
| 16:42.18 | vontrapp | oh, that's why you're on gmaps |
| 16:42.19 | vontrapp | :) |
| 16:42.38 | findlay | whenever is your earliest convenience |
| 16:43.01 | vontrapp | dude, your just across the river from me |
| 16:43.09 | findlay | heh |
| 16:43.43 | vontrapp | will you be home around 6-7 tonight? |
| 16:43.52 | findlay | 7, definitely |
| 16:43.55 | vontrapp | sweet |
| 16:43.57 | vontrapp | see ya then |
| 16:44.01 | findlay | ok |
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| 16:49.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I hate to be impertinent, but does anyone have any input on the server issue? |
| 16:50.08 | *** join/#utah tuple (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 16:51.02 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: I'd try to get as much information out of them as possible. Specific error messages would be good. Maybe it fails because they're running a hundred torrents on their dialup connection |
| 16:51.39 | *** join/#utah Opie_ (n=jared@c-67-186-254-155.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 16:51.42 | findlay | vontrapp: it's # 11 |
| 16:51.55 | findlay | forgot to add that |
| 16:51.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I got them, maybe I can find them in my email somewhere... |
| 16:52.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Here it is. C:\Documents and Settings\(path to file)\6.zip.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. |
| 16:53.01 | findlay | nothing in your server logs? |
| 16:53.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Which isn't terribly illuminating. It could mean that the file on the server can't be read or that the local file can't be read. |
| 16:53.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that I've been able to find, no. |
| 16:53.45 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@195.sub-166-161-154.myvzw.com) |
| 16:53.51 | Lone_Wanderer | There's also "the zip file is corrupted", which could just be noise on the line. |
| 16:53.57 | Lone_Wanderer | (It's not corrupted on the server.) |
| 16:54.09 | tuple | -lart vontrapp |
| 16:54.23 | lukfugl | ~lart tuple |
| 16:54.23 | ibot | crushes tuple with a full height scsi disk |
| 16:54.30 | lukfugl | where is brac? |
| 16:54.40 | lukfugl | ~lart brac |
| 16:54.40 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on brac and turns brac into a brick |
| 16:54.58 | lukfugl | ~fix brac |
| 16:55.15 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of brac , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 16:55.16 | findlay | maybe they have a micromanaging isp |
| 16:55.25 | Lone_Wanderer | What do you mean? |
| 16:55.28 | lukfugl | ~speedo tuple |
| 16:55.31 | ibot | ACTION stuffs tuple into a harleypig-sized speedo and sends it hurtling down the slip 'n slide. |
| 16:56.03 | findlay | I have some vague understanding that isps will do dumb things through incompetence or darker reasons |
| 16:56.42 | findlay | like with mine I have a 300 ms delay on all UDP traffic |
| 16:56.50 | findlay | just with UDP traffic |
| 16:56.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I think they're going to test it on a non-native network (someone who's not on XMission) today. |
| 16:57.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Hopefully it'll work, and then maybe they'll believe me. |
| 17:05.24 | tuple | flightgear 0.9.11-pre1 released |
| 17:05.57 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, what's flightgear? |
| 17:06.12 | tuple | awesome flight simulator |
| 17:06.14 | tuple | free softwaer |
| 17:06.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I had always (foolishly, I see now) supposed that flight gear was stuff you put on to fly in. |
| 17:06.33 | tuple | it is, IRL |
| 17:06.39 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 17:06.39 | tuple | in the computer, it's a flight simulator :) |
| 17:06.46 | levi | That's what 'flight gear' is; this is 'flightgear' ;) |
| 17:07.32 | tensai | ~lart tuple |
| 17:07.32 | ibot | holds tuple to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 17:23.26 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: It is possible that they have a proxy that prevents the zip downloads? |
| 17:23.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm solidly in the "It's a problem with your connection" camp. |
| 17:23.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Because I've checked and re-checked everything I can think of on the server. |
| 17:24.25 | tuple | well, I have qos on my router now (where it belongs) but I'm not happy with the granularity of control |
| 17:25.17 | tuple | one of the tenets of doing qos is that you have to throttle a bit so that you have control of the queues. but the numbers that people blindly follow (85%, 90%, etc.) which were ok back in the day are quite wasteful now |
| 17:25.18 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: do you want a third party confirmation that it can be downloaded? |
| 17:25.27 | Lone_Wanderer | That's be great actually. |
| 17:25.34 | graphyx | pm link me |
| 17:25.38 | tuple | 15% of 1.5mbit is 225kbit |
| 17:25.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay. Give me about five minutes. |
| 17:25.47 | graphyx | ok |
| 17:26.04 | tuple | that's like almost as much as my first DSL connection. I'm not happy to waste 200kbit. it's unnecessary |
| 17:26.17 | graphyx | what qos do you have? |
| 17:26.26 | tuple | and since I can't grok the source of thses bash/awk scripts I'm going to have to grow my own |
| 17:26.28 | Lone_Wanderer | qos? |
| 17:26.33 | tuple | quality of service |
| 17:26.39 | graphyx | ~qos |
| 17:26.53 | ibot | somebody said qos was Quality of Service, a great source of information is located @ http://www.lartc.org |
| 17:26.53 | graphyx | ~dict qos |
| 17:26.57 | tuple | so voip, ssh, web browsing, etc. doesn't suffer from bittorrent, for example |
| 17:27.10 | graphyx | tuple: is this work or home+ |
| 17:27.10 | graphyx | ? |
| 17:27.14 | tuple | home |
| 17:27.23 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 17:27.29 | graphyx | just throttle bit torrent |
| 17:27.52 | tuple | throttling bittorrent gives you the leftover bandwidth |
| 17:28.00 | graphyx | to 90%, do you have to have it doing 100% all the time? |
| 17:28.03 | tuple | but it doesn't actually help in the qos side of things |
| 17:28.10 | graphyx | ok |
| 17:28.20 | Lone_Wanderer | graphyx: Can you sign up for an account here: http://www.islandbeats.com/add_edit_account.php?add_account=true |
| 17:28.29 | Lone_Wanderer | You don't need a real email address or a real anything. |
| 17:28.35 | tuple | ideally, I could just let bittorrent do what it likes, and it always takes a back seat to whatever else wants the connection |
| 17:29.08 | tuple | but you do have to throttle it a tad |
| 17:29.21 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: done |
| 17:29.23 | tuple | and you have to throttle everything a tad in order to keep control of the queues |
| 17:29.35 | tuple | this is the qos-scripts package in openwrt |
| 17:29.36 | graphyx | next? |
| 17:29.46 | graphyx | ok tuple, cool |
| 17:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | k, now I have to add you to the list of people who can see the zip download thing (most people can't see it because it's not "working" yet) |
| 17:29.52 | graphyx | let me know if it works. |
| 17:30.00 | graphyx | blah@blah.com |
| 17:30.07 | Lone_Wanderer | You don't happen to see your user id in any URLs do you? |
| 17:30.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ok cool |
| 17:30.20 | tuple | I did hack wondershaper to work on my openwrt, but it doesn't give me the control to mark bittorrent as lower priority than normal bulk traffic, i.e. whatever big file I might be downloading via ftp or http |
| 17:30.47 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: You work for/on that website? |
| 17:30.55 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 17:30.59 | graphyx | ok |
| 17:31.24 | graphyx | let me know when to fire will. |
| 17:31.26 | Lone_Wanderer | 743 |
| 17:31.32 | graphyx | whats that? |
| 17:31.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Your user id. |
| 17:31.47 | graphyx | oh ok |
| 17:32.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, you can see it now. First you need some free music. |
| 17:32.56 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.islandbeats.com/view_album.php?album=578 |
| 17:33.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Add some of those tracks (or the whole album) to your cart, then click My Cart (sub-nav), then click Check Out, then click Create Zip File |
| 17:33.42 | Lone_Wanderer | The page will reload and you should get a link to download the zip. |
| 17:34.26 | graphyx | check out needs a better button |
| 17:34.31 | graphyx | doesn't seem like it is a button |
| 17:34.33 | graphyx | on ff 2 |
| 17:34.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think it *is* a button. |
| 17:34.55 | graphyx | well it doesn't seem like a link either. |
| 17:35.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah it's just grey, huh? |
| 17:35.06 | graphyx | yeah |
| 17:36.03 | graphyx | none of the process links for checkout seem like links |
| 17:36.09 | ^Migs^ | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070516163620.5k5kw5nb&show_article=1 |
| 17:36.09 | graphyx | put a box around them at least |
| 17:36.15 | graphyx | shading would be better. |
| 17:38.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Downloading it now? |
| 17:40.02 | graphyx | ok |
| 17:40.05 | Lone_Wanderer | got it? |
| 17:40.08 | graphyx | downloaded extracted |
| 17:40.13 | graphyx | and played one of the pieces |
| 17:40.17 | Lone_Wanderer | everything okay? cool |
| 17:40.18 | graphyx | I don't like it |
| 17:40.21 | Lone_Wanderer | are you on XMission? |
| 17:40.21 | findlay | heh |
| 17:40.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, it was free. |
| 17:40.24 | graphyx | but it played just fine. |
| 17:40.28 | graphyx | no |
| 17:40.33 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: I can try it for you too |
| 17:40.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ok good. who's your ISP? |
| 17:40.36 | graphyx | I am at a corp in Arkansas |
| 17:40.39 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 17:40.41 | Lone_Wanderer | out of state |
| 17:41.01 | graphyx | Yeah we have 620 mpbs uplink. |
| 17:41.06 | graphyx | at full burst |
| 17:41.09 | Lone_Wanderer | nice |
| 17:41.52 | Lone_Wanderer | findlay: okay, create an account on this page: http://www.islandbeats.com/add_edit_account.php?add_account=true then go to http://www.islandbeats.com/view_album.php?album=578 and add some free music to your cart |
| 17:41.54 | graphyx | I have gotten downloads at 5 mBps |
| 17:42.26 | Lone_Wanderer | findlay: Where are you located, geographically? |
| 17:43.20 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: Provo |
| 17:43.20 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:43.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm assuming your user ID will be 744. |
| 17:43.56 | graphyx | added benefit I had dupe records in the cart but it only sent me one copy of it. |
| 17:44.20 | graphyx | If you wanted to be a smart alec you could put symlinks for each duped item. |
| 17:44.24 | graphyx | that would be funny |
| 17:44.27 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: how many should I add? |
| 17:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Not sure if it does that or not. I know that the code that adds records doesn't check for that, but the zip utility might not add duplicate files. |
| 17:44.40 | Lone_Wanderer | findlay: many as you want |
| 17:44.44 | graphyx | 4Mb per, you pick it. |
| 17:44.45 | Lone_Wanderer | you can add the whole album with one click |
| 17:44.55 | Lone_Wanderer | graphyx: that'd be awesome |
| 17:45.12 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: well, I was wondering if the error only occurred after a certain download size |
| 17:45.20 | ^Migs^ | http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/baby.gun.ap/ |
| 17:45.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I dunno. Haven't checked. |
| 17:45.27 | graphyx | I would hope that if you did have duplicate files that the zip would compresses them 2:1 |
| 17:46.27 | Lone_Wanderer | until he's at least 14? |
| 17:47.05 | Lone_Wanderer | If my toddler had a weapon permit, I'd get him a holster and a S&W (demilitarized) and send him off to school with it. |
| 17:47.28 | graphyx | don't the schools have a no gun policy? |
| 17:47.44 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what the demilitarized is for. |
| 17:48.01 | graphyx | oh |
| 17:48.19 | Lone_Wanderer | You fill the barrel with lead and remove the part that causes it to fire. I forget what it's called. |
| 17:48.26 | graphyx | Well they might send him home anyway for the trama that others would get just for seeing it. |
| 17:48.34 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: fake? |
| 17:48.37 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: starting ... |
| 17:48.44 | Lone_Wanderer | So it still looks real but even if you chamber a round, you can't fire it. |
| 17:49.05 | Lone_Wanderer | You could chamber a round and pull the trigger but nothing would hit the shell and even if it did, it'd just blow up in your hand. |
| 17:49.06 | findlay | looks like I added the 'album' and all of the individual tracks |
| 17:49.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Not "fake" because it's originally a real weapon, just useless. |
| 17:49.29 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: does it count if I use wget? :) |
| 17:49.41 | findlay | ~hug wget |
| 17:49.54 | ibot | ACTION hugs wget |
| 17:49.54 | Lone_Wanderer | The zip utility does in fact refuse to add duplicate files :) |
| 17:49.57 | graphyx | wget is awesome. |
| 17:50.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't care how you download it, so long as it works. |
| 17:50.15 | graphyx | lol |
| 17:51.07 | findlay | done |
| 17:51.27 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: could you get me a sha hash of 744.zip? |
| 17:51.39 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, what's the syntax? |
| 17:51.57 | findlay | sha512sum 744.zip |
| 17:52.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently the utility isn't installed :( |
| 17:52.24 | graphyx | then just do a md5 |
| 17:52.29 | graphyx | try that |
| 17:52.34 | findlay | md5 will work |
| 17:52.40 | findlay | md5sum 744.zip |
| 17:52.44 | Lone_Wanderer | e8a463700419e22816374119993a1268 |
| 17:54.28 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@67.108.236.230) |
| 17:54.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. I *am* getting a lot of "unterminated quoted string" syntax errors. |
| 17:55.11 | graphyx | when? |
| 17:55.12 | Lone_Wanderer | But the PHP page runs fine. It sounds like I've got a syntax error in the string I use to create the zip files. |
| 17:55.16 | findlay | $ md5sum -c 744.zip.md5 |
| 17:55.17 | findlay | 744.zip: OK |
| 17:55.17 | Lone_Wanderer | When I click the "create zip file" button. |
| 17:55.24 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks findlay |
| 17:55.58 | graphyx | good luck on that. |
| 17:56.53 | graphyx | customers don't tend to appreciate that type of thing. |
| 17:57.17 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: were you the one with the incapable co-worker? |
| 17:57.22 | Lone_Wanderer | This is to my supervisors. |
| 17:57.23 | graphyx | just blame it on him. =] |
| 17:57.34 | Lone_Wanderer | No, the programmers here are all very good. |
| 17:57.44 | graphyx | they don't care for that much either and can directly fire you. |
| 17:57.55 | Lone_Wanderer | With the exception of me - I'm merely passable. |
| 17:58.16 | graphyx | lol |
| 17:58.18 | Lone_Wanderer | But the MBA we've got keeps telling me that I need to "fix" the zip thing. |
| 18:00.28 | findlay | heh |
| 18:01.08 | tuple | ~fix Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:01.20 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of Lone_Wanderer , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 18:08.09 | graphyx | a comment about microsoft's patent claims: An Open Letter To The Computer Industry: I, personally, have a copyright on "zero (0)" and "one (1)"...game, set, match. Please send retroactive and future payments to your favorite charity. Thank you. P.S. Will someone PLEASE check the drinking water in and around Redmond? |
| 18:21.28 | Lone_Wanderer | So I sent an email saying "I had two people check the zip download thing..." |
| 18:21.32 | Lone_Wanderer | And I get an IM. |
| 18:21.42 | Lone_Wanderer | "Did you give out my account info?!?" |
| 18:22.11 | Lone_Wanderer | "Why are you giving people administrative access to island beats??" |
| 18:22.47 | graphyx | lol |
| 18:22.52 | graphyx | you can't win. |
| 18:23.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it's lunchtime. |
| 18:26.12 | *** join/#utah loot (n=loot@ip-216-117-223-20.static.keyway.net) |
| 18:27.11 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: haha |
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| 18:29.07 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/secret_r.jpg |
| 18:30.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I responded with a long list of security books and blogs that I read/have read. |
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| 18:37.46 | elg | -chat |
| 18:39.38 | elg | ~lart brac |
| 18:39.39 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that brac is stuck to the floor |
| 18:39.41 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 18:40.14 | *** join/#utah brac (i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 18:42.39 | graphyx | ibot, I liked that one! |
| 18:42.52 | ibot | You liked that one!? |
| 18:43.37 | graphyx | yeah, I know, amazing. |
| 18:47.20 | findlay | -chat |
| 18:47.21 | brac | you have too much Chopin |
| 18:47.29 | findlay | nuh uh |
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| 19:07.07 | findlay | ouch |
| 19:07.16 | findlay | :( |
| 19:07.37 | findlay | so the office people went with a gateway from quickbooks :( |
| 19:07.58 | findlay | and their site claims to only work with internet exploder |
| 19:08.17 | findlay | first of all, I don't trust quickbooks |
| 19:09.13 | findlay | and I feel ill just thinking about having to interact with whatever proprietary garbage they have |
| 19:11.02 | graphyx | findlay: just get useragent for firefox |
| 19:11.23 | graphyx | unless they are using activeX controls you should be able to use most of the features. |
| 19:11.36 | findlay | graphyx: I just showed them |
| 19:11.45 | graphyx | what do you mean? |
| 19:11.54 | findlay | the user agent switcher extension |
| 19:12.17 | graphyx | oh ok |
| 19:14.13 | findlay | graphyx: looks like it does use activeX |
| 19:14.22 | graphyx | figures. |
| 19:14.45 | findlay | how am I going to explain this? |
| 19:14.45 | graphyx | Seems that most sites now days don't do just ie unless they have ties like that. |
| 19:14.58 | graphyx | why would you have it explain? |
| 19:15.03 | graphyx | Just use the IEtab extensien |
| 19:15.17 | findlay | that these are serious reasons not to use their service |
| 19:15.17 | graphyx | they won't know that it is just using IE in firefox. |
| 19:15.35 | graphyx | oh, umm... don't think that you wil be able to get around that. |
| 19:15.40 | graphyx | tons already use it |
| 19:15.50 | graphyx | quickbooks is quite a standard. |
| 19:16.28 | findlay | well, I'm talking about their merchant service/payment gateway |
| 19:16.34 | findlay | not really standard |
| 19:17.14 | findlay | and *I* don't want to have to deal with them from a programmatic angle |
| 19:18.08 | graphyx | Well best of luck. |
| 19:18.14 | findlay | just give me a service that processes payments, not something that tries to be a proprietary feel-good solution |
| 19:18.25 | findlay | thanks |
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| 19:19.05 | findlay | harleypig: you have come to save me? |
| 19:19.11 | harleypig | eh? |
| 19:19.16 | harleypig | From what? or whom? |
| 19:19.28 | findlay | harleypig: from quickbooks |
| 19:19.39 | elg | -chat ~onjoin harleypig |
| 19:19.40 | brac | ~onjoin harleypig -chat about bots should only be surprised at controversy9 |
| 19:19.40 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 19:19.43 | harleypig | uhh ... GnuCash? |
| 19:20.02 | findlay | quickbooks super nifty(R) merchant service |
| 19:20.19 | findlay | elg: cool hack |
| 19:20.54 | harleypig | ~onjoin elg -chat ~onjoin elg |
| 19:20.54 | ibot | ok, harleypig |
| 19:21.08 | findlay | cooler hack :) |
| 19:21.21 | harleypig | :] |
| 19:21.39 | harleypig | findlay: I know nothing about QuickBooks or their online service. |
| 19:21.49 | graphyx | I like the ~say -chat about recursive one. |
| 19:21.59 | harleypig | Despite the fact that I served 6 months doing support for them. |
| 19:22.28 | findlay | graphyx: but this one has a side effect |
| 19:24.42 | harleypig | What does say do? ibot isn't responding to /msg ibot help say |
| 19:24.42 | harleypig | ~say what? |
| 19:24.44 | ibot | what |
| 19:24.44 | harleypig | I kilt ibot?! |
| 19:24.44 | findlay | ibot's getting lazy in his old age |
| 19:24.44 | harleypig | Not to mention gender indeterminate |
| 19:24.44 | elg | ibot is a lazy bum |
| 19:24.46 | elg | i tried to get ibot to /nick lilo and he didn't even ack |
| 19:24.59 | harleypig | there it is |
| 19:25.07 | harleypig | Oh, I see ... say just says ... |
| 19:25.30 | brac | what |
| 19:25.32 | harleypig | How would you get that to recurse? And wouldn't that bring down both ibot and brac? |
| 19:25.54 | elg | -chat ~say -chat |
| 19:25.55 | brac | ~say -chat about bots should only concern itself with my app, for whatever that's called a Finite amount of music do you hit a key... |
| 19:25.57 | ibot | -chat about bots should only concern itself with my app, for whatever that's called a Finite amount of music do you hit a key... |
| 19:25.59 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 19:26.16 | harleypig | *snicker* |
| 19:29.47 | elg | tensai, et al: I have some ACME baking company (famous san fran sourdough bakery) sourdough culture that is dried and ready to ship |
| 19:30.16 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.41 | findlay | you email deliver? |
| 19:30.49 | tensai | where did you acquire it? don't tell me you went on a dumpster tour of san francisco |
| 19:30.52 | elg | for you I can |
| 19:31.08 | findlay | nice |
| 19:31.09 | elg | tensai: someone who acquired it in SF sent me some |
| 19:31.47 | tensai | did they send you some SF air so it will continue to grow the same? |
| 19:31.51 | elg | echo "to activate this sourdough start, pour water on your keyboard" | mutt findlay |
| 19:32.02 | elg | that's a myth |
| 19:32.05 | elg | propogated by the silly |
| 19:32.12 | elg | there's nothing special about the air |
| 19:32.46 | elg | the established cultures did well because of the climate there |
| 19:32.58 | elg | cool evenings, moderate days |
| 19:33.31 | harleypig | right wing politics |
| 19:33.45 | elg | this particular start is fairly active, has a nice tang, and has prove quite robust |
| 19:34.01 | elg | another guy who lives in SF sent me some of his home-grown start which was flat, funny, and boring |
| 19:35.27 | findlay | right wing bacteria? |
| 19:36.05 | harleypig | We talking leafy green plants? Grow to 10 or 15 feet high? |
| 19:36.52 | elg | echo "I made a mistake. You have to mix 1/2 cup flour and 1 cup water and pour _that_ on your keyboard, and in your cdrom drive for good measure" | mutt findlay |
| 19:37.58 | findlay | elg: when do I mix in the fungus/bacteria that you attached? |
| 19:38.12 | elg | findlay: it's in the email |
| 19:38.16 | findlay | ok |
| 19:38.38 | Jayce^ | findlay, you put that on the spoon, then hold it over the candle. |
| 19:38.48 | harleypig | or lighter. |
| 19:38.49 | elg | stenography |
| 19:39.12 | Jayce^ | harleypig, candle is easier, one hand, so you can use the other to steady when you have the shakes.. |
| 19:39.13 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:39.45 | Jayce^ | what? :) |
| 19:41.10 | goozbach | ahh man... google rejected me again! :( |
| 19:41.25 | harleypig | Page ranking? or hiring? |
| 19:41.45 | harleypig | uh oh ... kids not staying down for nap. bbl |
| 19:42.35 | goozbach | hiring |
| 19:48.16 | graphyx | goozbach: sorry |
| 19:49.01 | goozbach | I feel undervalued now. |
| 19:49.15 | graphyx | did you get an interview? |
| 19:52.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Not getting hired by Google is like not getting a date with Liv Tyler. |
| 19:53.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Or Kirsten Dunst, because I think that Liv Tyler is actually a pretty nice person. |
| 19:53.51 | findlay | who are these people of whom you speak? |
| 19:54.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Liv Tyler is Steven Tyler of Aerosmith |
| 19:55.35 | Lone_Wanderer | and is a beautiful actress. Kirsten Dunst plays MJ in the Spiderman movies and is (reportedly) stuck on herself. |
| 19:55.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Liv Tyler played Arwen. |
| 19:55.56 | findlay | ah |
| 19:57.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Liv Tyler is Steven Tyler's daughter* |
| 20:03.59 | ^Migs^ | Kirsten Dunst has awful teeth, too |
| 20:04.06 | ^Migs^ | or at least she did. I don't know if she ever got them fixed. |
| 20:04.22 | ^Migs^ | looked like a redneck vampire |
| 20:05.26 | Lone_Wanderer | scary |
| 20:05.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if they just CG'd them in the Spiderman films or what. |
| 20:06.09 | graphyx | Could be cheapen than a real dentist and paying her to get them done. |
| 20:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, I just got a commercial phone call for the upcoming presidential elections :/ |
| 20:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ... next year :/ |
| 20:11.55 | graphyx | wow |
| 20:12.02 | findlay | who was it? |
| 20:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitt Romney, actually. |
| 20:12.14 | findlay | heh |
| 20:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | He stated that we must defeat the Jihadists if we are to win this war, and that will create a stronger America. |
| 20:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm scared. |
| 20:12.51 | findlay | wow |
| 20:12.52 | graphyx | Mitt called you? |
| 20:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Automated |
| 20:13.04 | graphyx | I know |
| 20:13.08 | graphyx | I was kidding. |
| 20:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Headache, cut me some slack ;) |
| 20:13.25 | graphyx | sorry |
| 20:13.31 | findlay | did you give him a piece of your mind? |
| 20:13.38 | graphyx | quit banging it on the desk then. |
| 20:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, apparently we have jihadists knocking at our door, and this war must be won if we are to make a stronget America! |
| 20:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, they gave me an option to press 1 to join his campaign |
| 20:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | To which I vocally said "no" |
| 20:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 10s later, "Thank you for your time" and the line disconnects |
| 20:14.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow. I'm surprised he's taking that tactic. |
| 20:14.15 | findlay | I don't want anything like what Mitt Romney probably thinks a 'stronger America' probably is |
| 20:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm somewhat surprised he is too |
| 20:14.37 | Lone_Wanderer | If I were a Republican I'd be taking the "We need to review our reasons for even being in Iraq" line. |
| 20:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | He openly stated that we need to win this war |
| 20:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And threw in the word jihadists several times |
| 20:15.27 | findlay | s/probably // |
| 20:16.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm scared now. |
| 20:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) We must defeat the Jihadists! Win the war! 2) WE STILL HAVE WELL OVER A YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTIONS |
| 20:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | QUIT CALLING ME |
| 20:18.44 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: sounds like a job for asterisk! |
| 20:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:18.57 | ScytheBlade1 | On a $30 cell phone? ;) |
| 20:19.03 | findlay | sure! |
| 20:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Do tell |
| 20:19.10 | rsimpkins | redbeard2: Hi there. |
| 20:20.05 | findlay | step 0) install linux, 1) install asterisk, 2) regex-fu auto blacklists, 3) ..., 4) PROFIT!!1 |
| 20:20.17 | Lone_Wanderer | You might actually profit. |
| 20:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I still have to move the number from my cell phone to the linux box |
| 20:20.31 | Lone_Wanderer | In that you'd spend less taking calls from blacklisted numbers. |
| 20:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And then magically move the data to the cell phone |
| 20:20.45 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: hey man |
| 20:20.48 | redbeard2 | sup? |
| 20:20.49 | rsimpkins | If you an get a real person on the phone - you can have a blast. |
| 20:20.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I repoint my cell number at an asterisk box? |
| 20:20.55 | rsimpkins | redbeard2: ever get a call? |
| 20:21.00 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: nope |
| 20:21.06 | rsimpkins | I kept a sales person busy for 6 hours one day. :) |
| 20:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ... wow |
| 20:21.15 | graphyx | what??? |
| 20:21.17 | rsimpkins | redbeard2: frustrating. okay. thanks. |
| 20:21.18 | graphyx | how did you do that? |
| 20:21.25 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: agreed |
| 20:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm more surprised you had 6h of time to do that |
| 20:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And that you actually did that |
| 20:21.34 | rsimpkins | redbeard2: I'd move on. :( |
| 20:21.53 | graphyx | redbeard2: what is this call you were expecting? |
| 20:21.54 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: that makes me sad, but okay. |
| 20:22.02 | rsimpkins | It was during a slow period of my life. :) |
| 20:22.03 | redbeard2 | graphyx: just a call for an interview |
| 20:22.12 | graphyx | what company? |
| 20:22.19 | redbeard2 | graphyx: omniture |
| 20:22.24 | graphyx | oh |
| 20:22.42 | graphyx | sorry to hear that. |
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| 20:37.22 | ^Migs^ | I made a ton of shredded BBQ chicken for a ward cookout last night, and they ate EVERYTHING. I got none of it. |
| 20:37.52 | graphyx | did you win? |
| 20:38.08 | graphyx | remember you can always make more. |
| 20:49.42 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: it might be like getting rejected by $HOT_POPULAR_ACTRESS, but both events hurt your self esteem |
| 20:50.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. But that's the only thing I could think of to say to make you feel beter. |
| 20:50.13 | Lone_Wanderer | better* |
| 20:50.15 | jlp_work | goozbach, did you get an interview? or just screened? |
| 20:50.20 | graphyx | It is better to aim for the sun, while if you do fail at least your attempt was noble? |
| 20:50.48 | Lone_Wanderer | graphyx: As long as your wings aren't made of wax. |
| 20:51.35 | goozbach | jlp_work: didn't get past the first screening |
| 20:51.46 | jlp_work | bummer. what questions did they ask you? |
| 20:52.09 | graphyx | If you were a car what kind of car would you be? |
| 20:52.12 | Lone_Wanderer | My strategy for getting hired by Google is to start a startup and get bought. |
| 20:52.13 | goozbach | so it was like getting rejected by $HOT_POPULAR_ACTRESS{'handler'} |
| 20:52.24 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:53.20 | graphyx | goozbach: are you revealing that you work with php? |
| 20:53.39 | jlp_work | goozbach: I'm curious because they have been hounding me again. I turned down an offer a couple of years ago. every few months I get pinged by a google recruiter asking "so, are you interested in coming to google now?" |
| 20:53.49 | jlp_work | I'm wondering what they're looking for |
| 20:54.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently, you. |
| 20:54.18 | jlp_work | meh |
| 20:54.25 | graphyx | yeah, so there, not only do they not want you goozbach jlp_work can't keep them away!!! |
| 20:54.31 | graphyx | jk |
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| 20:54.36 | jlp_work | I'm interested in working there... just not living there |
| 20:55.13 | Lone_Wanderer | not living there? |
| 20:55.17 | graphyx | jlp_work: I feel the same way |
| 20:55.20 | Lone_Wanderer | in CA, or at Google? |
| 20:55.29 | graphyx | google in CA |
| 20:55.29 | jlp_work | I have a 15 minute commute right now. I don't see how I can get that anywhere in the bay area |
| 20:55.44 | jlp_work | not for what they were offering me, anyway |
| 20:55.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Tell them that. Maybe they'll hire a helicopter to fly you in and out each day. |
| 20:55.56 | jlp_work | heh, no |
| 20:55.57 | graphyx | mind sharing what they offered? |
| 20:55.59 | Lone_Wanderer | That's not a bad idea actually. |
| 20:56.21 | jlp_work | graphyx: see privmsg |
| 20:56.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Get some park and ride places around the bay area where Google employees can park and take a helicopter in every day. |
| 20:56.54 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:57.24 | Lone_Wanderer | If I ever own my own helicopter, I'm going to put "ROFLCOPTER" on the tail. |
| 20:57.33 | jlp_work | Lone_Wanderer: they do have shuttle busses that they drive in from around the area, but it's the time (with the family) that I don't want to give up |
| 20:57.53 | Lone_Wanderer | jlp_work: I wouldn't want to either. |
| 20:58.15 | Lone_Wanderer | If I had a family. |
| 20:58.15 | graphyx | now if they started a campus close by here, that would be a different story. |
| 20:58.17 | Lone_Wanderer | :'( |
| 20:58.25 | Lone_Wanderer | They should start a campus here. That'd be awesome. |
| 20:58.31 | jlp_work | graphyx: you know it... I'd be on the phone in a red hot minute |
| 20:58.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd totally apply to be a janitor. Then I can tell people I work at Google. |
| 20:59.03 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: trying to say that you're single and looking? |
| 20:59.21 | Lone_Wanderer | graphyx: I am beginning to feel just a bit old. |
| 20:59.23 | Lone_Wanderer | (28) |
| 20:59.45 | graphyx | You should have asked maquis before she got married |
| 20:59.50 | graphyx | but it is too late now. |
| 20:59.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Does she have red hair? |
| 20:59.57 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: I don't know. |
| 21:00.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, then I don't know if I'm interested ;) |
| 21:00.19 | Tene | She doesn't. |
| 21:00.30 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: I don't know where I would be if my wife hadn't been so aggressive with me. |
| 21:00.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Also I think she's Mormon. |
| 21:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I've had several girls tackle me and try to marry me. |
| 21:00.47 | Lone_Wanderer | None of them have succeeded yet. |
| 21:01.04 | graphyx | well then I feel less sympathetic to your plight now. |
| 21:01.18 | graphyx | Well that's enough time wasted at work. |
| 21:01.21 | graphyx | time to head home. |
| 21:01.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't really love any of them. It was just like, hey, she wants to date, and I don't have anything better going on. |
| 21:01.48 | Lone_Wanderer | So I don't think it would've been fair to marry them. |
| 21:02.08 | graphyx | Well that may be the case, but it has to start somewhere. |
| 21:02.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you mean that I shouldn't married them and hoped I'd start to like them eventually? |
| 21:02.37 | jlp_work | Lone_Wanderer: you chose wisely. you should marry for the right reasons |
| 21:03.04 | graphyx | no, I mean that you have to give some time to let the affection grow. |
| 21:03.15 | Lone_Wanderer | The problem is that marrying for the right reason requires pursuing someone I actually want to date, and (what with the string of girls I don't like pursuing me) I don't have a lot of practice at that. |
| 21:03.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I realize that this is like complaining that I really want gold-plated silverware when every piece of cutlery I own is pure silver, but still. |
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| 21:06.03 | jared | Lone_Wanderer: wait for the time and person.. I married at 31... I don't think I was ready before then |
| 21:06.47 | jared | I'm glad I got married when I did, I think it would have been a mistake at any other time |
| 21:06.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I just keep telling myself... I'm not that old... I'm really not I promise... |
| 21:07.07 | jared | your just kid |
| 21:08.16 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.28 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, you're dating someone? |
| 21:08.39 | goozbach | I'm bringing the GF home to meet the family this weekend/next week |
| 21:08.59 | goozbach | yeah, my "fake" (according to sjansen and herlo) girlfriend |
| 21:08.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I might have a dating prospect but I'm a bit wary because she's only 19. |
| 21:09.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, fake 'cause no-one's ever seen her? |
| 21:09.32 | goozbach | no, fake because herlo and sjansen can't believe I'd be able to get a girlfriend |
| 21:09.55 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.58 | Tene | Wait, you have a girlfriend? Where did you kidnap her from? |
| 21:10.18 | goozbach | Tene: met her at a YSA conference actually |
| 21:10.32 | Tene | YSA? |
| 21:10.39 | goozbach | Young Single Adults |
| 21:11.01 | Tene | Sounds like a good place to go to kidnap someone. |
| 21:11.14 | goozbach | LDS single wards from the region get together for these things... |
| 21:11.31 | goozbach | and until this year I thought they were nothing but crap |
| 21:11.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Until you went to one, you mean? |
| 21:12.01 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: no, I'd gone to them |
| 21:12.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 21:12.09 | goozbach | just hadn't ever "hooked up" at one |
| 21:12.11 | goozbach | till now |
| 21:12.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Gotcha. |
| 21:12.27 | Lone_Wanderer | So you thought they were crap but you kept going anyway until you finally scored? ;) |
| 21:12.28 | goozbach | silent party? |
| 21:12.34 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: yeah |
| 21:12.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. You can't talk. Pens and small pads of paper are provided. |
| 21:12.57 | goozbach | wha? |
| 21:13.18 | goozbach | what would you do? watch TV on mute |
| 21:13.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, the music is more atmospheric than overwhelming. Other than that it's a normal party. |
| 21:13.21 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:13.26 | Lone_Wanderer | No, you talk to people. |
| 21:13.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, write to them. |
| 21:13.32 | goozbach | heh, tell me how it goes |
| 21:13.39 | Tene | What do you do if someone does talk? |
| 21:13.42 | Tene | Murder? |
| 21:13.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 21:13.46 | goozbach | if people talk, the're asked to leave? |
| 21:13.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone's given a glock .45 at the door. |
| 21:13.53 | Tene | I like murder. |
| 21:14.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, you just have the bouncer throw them out. |
| 21:14.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Usually you have a room where people can talk quietly. |
| 21:16.15 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.quietparty.com/ - apparently the idea's been commercialized already |
| 21:17.23 | beandog | can you use NameVirtualHost more than once for separate IPs? |
| 21:17.53 | elg | see, YSA in utah is a sad joke |
| 21:18.04 | elg | YSA out of utah has fewer pickings but can actually be fun/productive |
| 21:18.05 | Tene | beandog: yes, afaik |
| 21:18.13 | elg | beandog: today's xkcd is meant for you |
| 21:18.15 | beandog | Tene: just one per line? |
| 21:18.24 | beandog | elg: I know, that was *great* :D did you see the alt tag? |
| 21:18.30 | beandog | meh |
| 21:19.12 | goozbach | cool I'm now in the CPAN. http://search.cpan.org/~goozbach/ |
| 21:21.10 | beandog | configtest++ |
| 21:21.13 | beandog | thanks Tene, worked. |
| 21:21.34 | beandog | goozbach: are cpan commits tracked on CIA? thats the fun one. |
| 21:27.26 | goozbach | CIA? |
| 21:30.11 | beandog | uh |
| 21:30.23 | beandog | http://cia.vc/ |
| 21:30.26 | beandog | I suppose I could check. |
| 21:30.40 | beandog | hmm, doesnt look like it. |
| 21:30.54 | beandog | http://cia.vc/stats/project/perl6 |
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| 23:37.09 | mheath | Wow. THat was a very......interesting week. |
| 23:37.48 | mheath | Anyone around? |
| 23:38.09 | Tene | I am! |
| 23:38.31 | mheath | Heh, if you all thought I was crazy, you were roughly right on. |
| 23:38.41 | Tene | Yay! Insanity! |
| 23:40.20 | Tene | Ooo... |
| 23:43.43 | raventh1 | mheath: what for ? |
| 23:43.48 | raventh1 | if you don't mind me asking... |
| 23:44.22 | mheath | Suicide. |
| 23:44.30 | raventh1 | mheath: dude, that sucks :(. Hang in there though. |
| 23:46.15 | mheath | Tene: I wouldn't mind. I've had my share of oversensitivty and overreaction. |
| 23:46.26 | raventh1 | mheath: make sure to be around family or at least someone |
| 23:47.25 | raventh1 | The internet is cool and all but unfortunately us humans have to have contact with each other. |
| 23:47.57 | mheath | raventh1: Dude, I don't need you to talk me down or anything right now. I'm not suicidal now. |
| 23:48.04 | mheath | I just spent a week in a freakin mental institute |
| 23:50.57 | mheath | I wonder if that quit message was intentional. |
| 23:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | No, that's his standard /quit |
| 23:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes, that would make for an incredibly interesting week |
| 23:53.01 | mheath | Made me realize that the mental health system in the USA is absurdly retarded. |
| 23:53.06 | mheath | No pun intended, really. |
| 23:54.10 | mheath | Losing my job almost for sure now, though. |
