| 00:00.10 | Zelut | Jayce^: ping |
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| 01:46.08 | brac | Linux XP on it and move bzflag.org and my.bzflag.org there etc. as well (The Olympus Evolt E500 in specific), but, they don't log out. Jayce^ just auto ops. |
| 01:46.09 | graphyx | beandog: you there? |
| 01:46.09 | beandog | yah |
| 01:48.13 | graphyx | gotta second to help me install hamachi on gentoo? |
| 01:48.13 | beandog | whats that |
| 01:48.14 | graphyx | pm to prevent flood? |
| 01:48.14 | beandog | bueno |
| 01:48.14 | jsmith | Oh my goodness, it's dataw0lf |
| 01:48.55 | graphyx | hey dataw0lf |
| 01:50.16 | beandog | I think he just came back with the flood |
| 02:22.16 | graphyx | Ok I just setup a new network interface |
| 02:22.33 | graphyx | but connections on that interface aren't able to log into ssh |
| 02:22.43 | graphyx | even though the packets are getting to the system |
| 02:22.59 | graphyx | any ideas on what I can do to fix/troubleshoot it? |
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| 02:31.41 | vontrapp | boo |
| 02:31.43 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 02:32.01 | vontrapp | s/C/bash |
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| 02:39.45 | vontrapp | mmmmmm, pasta |
| 02:42.01 | graphyx | I agree |
| 02:42.07 | graphyx | I could eat paste everyday |
| 02:42.12 | graphyx | wait, on my mission i DID! |
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| 02:58.04 | vontrapp | i ate rice everyday on my mission |
| 02:58.12 | vontrapp | rice is good, too :) |
| 02:58.54 | vontrapp | so i have this computer that rrefuses to install anything from the cdrom |
| 02:59.00 | vontrapp | i've tried three different cdrom drives |
| 02:59.15 | vontrapp | one just plain wouldn't boot from |
| 02:59.32 | vontrapp | the others though, it just doesn't ever finish |
| 02:59.41 | vontrapp | windows or ubuntu |
| 03:00.01 | vontrapp | i think ubuntu eventually throws an error |
| 03:00.07 | vontrapp | after a looong time |
| 03:00.27 | vontrapp | i'm thinking bad memory, could that be the cause |
| 03:00.33 | vontrapp | ? |
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| 03:01.56 | vontrapp | so did eating paste everyday make your stool really gooey? |
| 03:03.30 | jsmith | vontrapp: Yes, bad memory could cause that, as well as IDE controller problems |
| 03:04.37 | vontrapp | maybe i should try the other ide port? |
| 03:05.03 | jsmith | Wouldn't hurt. |
| 03:05.23 | vontrapp | memtest is just about done with test 4 and no errors |
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| 03:38.12 | Brandon_ | does xen run on ubuntu well and support a vista guest os? |
| 03:38.53 | nick125_lappy | Brandon_: As to Vista, I'm not sure (mainly due to licensing issues), but, if you have hardware that supports VT, theoretically, you should be able to support any unmodified OS |
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| 03:41.59 | nick125_lappy | Supaplex: You are missing a P in your /quit message :p |
| 03:42.10 | Supaplex | woops. /quit != /disconnect |
| 03:42.55 | Supaplex | I know :) some guy on #xmlounge only said PPoE, so I went a long with it. (and I was done at xmission's ircd) |
| 03:43.32 | nick125_lappy | Actiontecs do suck though |
| 03:43.53 | nick125_lappy | I wanted to plug the power adapter to mine into the battery acid of one of those build-your-own-battery kits |
| 03:44.29 | nick125_lappy | And watch the fireworks :-) |
| 03:46.01 | herlo | nick125_lappy: very good idea. We had one that would send odd signals to randomly disconnect us for fun... |
| 03:46.25 | nick125_lappy | herlo: My ISP gave me the idea :P |
| 03:48.13 | nick125_lappy | Or I wanted to throw it in the middle of I-40 (which runs right beside their office) |
| 03:48.46 | Supaplex | etherkiller |
| 03:49.20 | nick125_lappy | Or hook a phone line up to it and plug the other end into a 220v power line |
| 03:49.39 | Supaplex | same concept. |
| 03:50.04 | nick125_lappy | GET A SIGNAL NOW YOU PIECE OF ****? |
| 03:50.33 | Supaplex | phone lines operate at ~90 volts anyway, so the power supply connector or ethernet are funner ways to get more magic smoke for your buck. |
| 03:51.00 | nick125_lappy | why not plug then all into 220v sockets? |
| 03:51.53 | Supaplex | that's fine. just not in my house. :) what if you short the mains? hehe |
| 03:53.43 | nick125_lappy | I should start a service. You send your stuff to me, and I would destroy it on camera |
| 03:54.04 | nick125_lappy | like take it, pour lighter fluid on it and plug all the terminals on the modem into a car battery |
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| 04:13.08 | nick125_lappy | [trying to emerge zaptel] |
| 04:13.08 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.17 | nick125_lappy | spitty linux # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i FW_LOAD |
| 04:13.17 | nick125_lappy | CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y |
| 04:13.18 | nick125_lappy | .. |
| 04:34.43 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Zaptel, eh? You finally joining the Asterisk crowd? |
| 04:35.29 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: I've been in the asterisk crowd for a while actually |
| 04:35.38 | jsmith | Ah, cool. |
| 04:35.39 | nick125_lappy | Just trying to upgrade to 1.2.17 (Not ready for 1.4.x yet) |
| 04:35.49 | jsmith | Isn't 1.2.18 out? |
| 04:36.35 | nick125_lappy | 1.2.18 was released a bit ago, but, the gentoo voip team seems to be quite busy with other things that they haven't updated the ebuilds |
| 04:36.49 | jsmith | They have a VoIP team? |
| 04:37.32 | nick125_lappy | Yeah |
| 04:37.58 | vontrapp | seems it was the cpu |
| 04:38.29 | vontrapp | i'll soon have a working install, yay! |
| 04:40.30 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: I think it's like one or two people |
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| 04:54.13 | nick125_lappy | I finally beat my friend at halo 2 |
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| 14:13.53 | elg | ahhhh. nothing like landing a plane (or pretending to) |
| 14:15.17 | jsmith | It's fun in real life, but a bit stressful |
| 14:16.59 | elg | you fly? |
| 14:17.22 | graphyx | do you count off the handle? |
| 14:17.33 | elg | only if you can land it |
| 14:18.20 | graphyx | I don't drive fast, I fly low |
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| 14:19.27 | jsmith | elg: I flew a lot in high school. My best friend had his license, as did his dad, and his dad had a plane. |
| 14:19.52 | jsmith | elg: Plus, there was a biplane factory in town, so I got to watch stunt planes all the time |
| 14:20.33 | graphyx | thats cool |
| 14:20.58 | graphyx | anyone know how to set up an on system firewall for vmware sessions using vmware workstation on ubuntu linux? |
| 14:21.20 | elg | you're making no sense |
| 14:21.31 | elg | where do you want the firewall and what do you want to block from what |
| 14:22.03 | elg | jsmith: awesome. |
| 14:22.09 | jsmith | http://www.flickr.com/photos/goosegog/427845127/ |
| 14:22.13 | jsmith | There's a photo of one of the planes |
| 14:22.16 | graphyx | I want to block the session access from outbound connections while allowing it to communicate to a server. |
| 14:22.28 | jsmith | They used to fly over my house all summer long, doing rolls and loops and spewing smoke... |
| 14:23.02 | elg | graphyx: you want to block all outbound traffic except a few special cases? |
| 14:23.16 | graphyx | I am trying to ensure that a security agent protects the system correctly and I also want to make sure that if a particular malware does infect the system it doesn't spread while still maintaning the security agents connection the its manager. |
| 14:23.23 | graphyx | elg: yes |
| 14:23.54 | elg | jsmith: sweet little plane |
| 14:24.34 | elg | graphyx: are the vmware sessions using bridge or nat? |
| 14:25.42 | elg | jsmith: someday I might build me one of these: http://www.affordaplane.com/ |
| 14:25.44 | brac | [Affordaplane Ultralight, Affordaplane Plans, ultralight plans, a-plane, affordaplane] |
| 14:26.04 | graphyx | nat |
| 14:26.15 | elg | learn to fly (for real) is first on the list though |
| 14:26.16 | jsmith | I think I'm gonna start out with a paraglider |
| 14:26.57 | elg | I talked to a rails programmer about 45 min. north of here the other day. we web programmers, and ruby especially, are fairly rare around here |
| 14:26.59 | jsmith | I'm much more interested in flying slow and low |
| 14:27.10 | elg | so he was excited to get together. apparently he has a paraglider |
| 14:28.07 | elg | I went to the airport yesterday with a "trade instruction for computer services" flyer |
| 14:28.26 | elg | one of the FBO guys said they were unhappy with their computer guy, so I'm hoping something works out there |
| 14:28.40 | graphyx | that would be sweet |
| 14:29.06 | elg | if they said "we'll teach you to fly if you set up and maintain our network/software/whatever" it'd be totally cool |
| 14:29.10 | graphyx | if you build an ultralight or an "affrodaplane" what type of licence do you have to have to be able to fly it? |
| 14:29.27 | elg | but even one or two lessons/rides would be worth the fun |
| 14:29.35 | elg | no license for ultralight |
| 14:29.48 | elg | it's prudent to get instruction on how to fly it without killing yourself |
| 14:30.03 | elg | and there are regulations to follow, of course. i.e. you can't fly over "populated areas" |
| 14:30.39 | ^Migs^ | oh man, I want to build one of those |
| 14:30.59 | ^Migs^ | I wonder if they'd let me take off from the Ogden airport |
| 14:31.03 | elg | probably |
| 14:31.29 | elg | you can also fly that one as a normal plane. it means getting it inspected, having radios, and a few other things |
| 14:32.00 | elg | I'm not sure what the benefit to doing that is, except maybe that you could fly over populated areas (if high enough) or go to some airports that you might not be able to otherwise |
| 14:32.08 | elg | not really familiar with the ins and outs of ultralights |
| 14:32.12 | graphyx | Ok |
| 14:32.28 | elg | but most smaller airports are ultralight friendly |
| 14:32.45 | ^Migs^ | I need to build a shed in my backyard first |
| 14:33.09 | elg | yak shaver |
| 14:35.16 | ^Migs^ | you can get a pilot's license if you wear corrective lenses, right? |
| 14:35.26 | elg | yup |
| 14:35.35 | elg | can't join the air force |
| 14:35.36 | ^Migs^ | what minimum vision do you need? |
| 14:35.39 | elg | but you can get a license |
| 14:35.41 | ^Migs^ | 20/40 or something? |
| 14:36.03 | ^Migs^ | this could be a great project for the next couple years |
| 14:36.06 | elg | i think you just have to be able to see well with glasses for private |
| 14:37.19 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't just build a shed in my backyard, I'd be building a HANGAR |
| 14:37.21 | ^Migs^ | :D |
| 14:37.44 | elg | well usually you'd keep the plane at the airport |
| 14:38.16 | elg | unless you happen to have a runway, airstrip or at least a large field handy :) |
| 14:38.23 | elg | and live in the country |
| 14:38.40 | elg | (after you build it of course) |
| 14:40.50 | elg | kogd doesn't look like a good airport actually |
| 14:40.53 | elg | (for this) |
| 14:41.33 | elg | "NO MULTIPLE APCHS. NO PRACTICE APCHS - FULL STOP LANDINGS ONLY FROM 2200-0700." |
| 14:42.30 | elg | plus it's quite close to HAFB |
| 14:43.30 | ^Migs^ | I was thinking I'd just haul it to the airport on a trailer |
| 14:43.45 | ^Migs^ | the Ogden airport is just a few blocks from me |
| 14:44.43 | ^Migs^ | what's apchs? |
| 14:44.48 | elg | approaches, I think |
| 14:45.03 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand any of that terminology [yet] |
| 14:45.19 | ^Migs^ | I only flew a plane once, 12 years ago |
| 14:45.20 | elg | 2200-0700 is UTC time |
| 14:45.47 | graphyx | elg: Looks like the affordaplane company isn't working any more. this site talks about people not being able to get plans any more from them: |
| 14:45.49 | elg | so, I guess that's 3pm to midnight? |
| 14:45.57 | graphyx | http://www.diylive.net/index.php/2006/04/07/affordaplane/ |
| 14:46.15 | elg | graphyx: there's a bit of a cyberwar going on with affordaplane |
| 14:46.40 | elg | I spent a while investigating it once and came to the conclusion that it's a nutjob with an axe to grind trying to discredit them |
| 14:46.53 | elg | i can give you the links if you like |
| 14:47.40 | elg | ^Migs^: morgan co. airport looks a lot more ultralight friendly. is morgan far? |
| 14:48.06 | ^Migs^ | about a half hour |
| 14:48.25 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's strange. On the affordaplane's site they say plans ship within 48 hours |
| 14:52.03 | ^Migs^ | here's another one: http://www.betterhalfvw.com/ |
| 14:52.07 | brac | [Leonard Milholand's Better Half VW and Legal Eagel Ultralight!] |
| 14:52.11 | elg | same guy claims that it's unsafe and that nobody has built one, except the prototype by the creator, and that it barely gets a few feet off the ground |
| 14:52.24 | elg | but it's easy to see that's not true with modest googling |
| 14:53.30 | elg | if you do decide to go ultralight, check out your local EAA chapter, they will be your best resource |
| 14:54.12 | elg | as for whether you can base out of kogd, you could go to the airport some saturday morning and see if you can see any ultralights in the hangars or on the field (or in the air) |
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| 14:54.25 | elg | or not-quite-ultralight sport planes |
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| 15:03.48 | jsmith | elg: Here's a good article for you http://www.msri.org/people/members/sara/articles/hat.html |
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| 15:16.41 | ^Migs^ | I love it when I produce a huge chunk of code and everything works flawlessly the first time |
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| 15:21.42 | elg | -urls 1 |
| 15:21.42 | brac | [2007/05/15 09:03:39] <jsmith> http://www.msri.org/people/members/sara/articles/hat.html |
| 15:21.47 | elg | lukfugl: check it out |
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| 15:22.31 | elg | -chat |
| 15:22.32 | brac | what do you find time to think that I have a concrete example of linkedlists.h usage? |
| 15:22.45 | elg | 12:00 |
| 15:24.36 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:29.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Good morning. |
| 15:29.29 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat |
| 15:29.29 | brac | or test some of the guys I knew of any good credit card payments using, say, Visa's international system? |
| 15:33.17 | ^Migs^ | wtf is a "unit" of blood? |
| 15:33.20 | ^Migs^ | apparently we collected *33* "units" of blood |
| 15:34.46 | graphyx | ^Migs^: 1 liter |
| 15:34.56 | ^Migs^ | then why didn't they say 1 liter? |
| 15:35.38 | graphyx | to identify the lay people. |
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| 15:37.29 | ^Migs^ | 100% of the target audience was lay people |
| 15:42.24 | goozbach | ^Migs^: because blood is measured in "units" |
| 15:42.35 | goozbach | just like firewood is measured in "cords" |
| 15:42.39 | lukfugl | elg/jsmith: interesting |
| 15:42.49 | ^Migs^ | that's pretty stupid, imo |
| 15:44.28 | levi | Thank you for sharing your opinion. |
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| 15:49.52 | vontrapp | so i guess my mobo has a bad bios |
| 15:49.52 | vontrapp | can one replace such? |
| 15:50.59 | elg | yes, you can replace motherboards |
| 15:51.09 | vontrapp | no, the bios |
| 15:51.19 | vontrapp | i don't have enough for a mobo |
| 15:53.04 | Supaplex | what's wrong with the bios? |
| 15:53.17 | vontrapp | it just does nothing at boot |
| 15:53.21 | vontrapp | nothing at all |
| 15:53.33 | vontrapp | power on and nothing |
| 15:53.41 | elg | how do you know it's bios and not the motherboard as a whole? |
| 15:53.48 | elg | or the psu |
| 15:53.49 | vontrapp | the power goes on, but nothing happens |
| 15:54.04 | vontrapp | fans, drives, everything |
| 15:54.11 | vontrapp | but no computations |
| 15:54.17 | Supaplex | ahh, it won't post. remove all expansion cards except one video card, remove all drives, and retry. |
| 15:54.37 | elg | tried that reset dip switch? |
| 15:54.49 | vontrapp | i had no cards, using the built in vga |
| 15:55.00 | vontrapp | no |
| 15:55.13 | Supaplex | reset the bios jumper |
| 15:55.24 | vontrapp | i tried changing the cpu and that didn't helg |
| 15:55.26 | vontrapp | p |
| 15:55.27 | Supaplex | if it won't post, remove the ide drives and try again |
| 15:55.29 | elg | man, this rsync from my backup has been going for 18 hours. it honestly didn't take that long to back up |
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| 15:56.02 | vontrapp | i'll try the reset thing |
| 15:56.07 | vontrapp | how do i find it? |
| 15:56.13 | elg | mobo manual |
| 15:56.24 | vontrapp | lrike i have that |
| 15:56.25 | Supaplex | it might be labled. look around near the battery |
| 15:56.27 | elg | usually it's a dip switch you set for 30 seconds or so (with it off) |
| 15:56.42 | Supaplex | countless motherboard manuals are indexed via google |
| 15:56.56 | Supaplex | grrr |
| 15:57.27 | Jayce^ | ~lart Keighvin |
| 15:57.27 | ibot | cuts Keighvin into thin stripes |
| 15:57.48 | levi | You could very easily have a bad cap or something that prevents the CPU from working. |
| 15:58.02 | Supaplex | is the motherboard on warranty? |
| 15:59.53 | vontrapp | no, got it from an aunt when their computer stopped working and i couldn't fix it |
| 15:59.59 | vontrapp | that was about a year ago |
| 16:00.36 | vontrapp | i tried it last night when my other one wouldn't install from cd |
| 16:00.48 | Supaplex | the bios battery might be too dead. you can remove that, but bios settings will be lost between cold boots. |
| 16:01.07 | vontrapp | didn't work, but it's such a better mobo, i really want it to work |
| 16:02.07 | vontrapp | has sata, more usb ports, front usb plugs |
| 16:02.36 | ^Migs^ | http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9719339-7.html |
| 16:04.22 | vontrapp | battery feels strong enough |
| 16:04.24 | ^Migs^ | "life imprisonment" for using pirated software |
| 16:04.40 | vontrapp | if i take it out for 30 sec is that like doing the reset switch? |
| 16:05.34 | levi | ^Migs^: That's only when someone dies or could likely die as a result. |
| 16:06.05 | ^Migs^ | in that example, I still fail to see how using pirated software could lead to death |
| 16:08.17 | Keighvin | Maybe it's like this: a piece of unregistered nagware pops up a window "This respirator will cease to function in 30 seconds unless this button is clicked. Or you can register the software to never see this notice again." |
| 16:08.22 | Keighvin | And nobody clicks the button. |
| 16:08.42 | Keighvin | Still, I guess that's not the same thing as pirated. And of course is meant as an entirely facetious example anyway. |
| 16:09.20 | Keighvin | Anything "...likely to receive the enthusiastic support of the movie and music industries..." should raise a red flag thoughl |
| 16:09.30 | Keighvin | s/thoughl/though./ |
| 16:10.06 | beandog | seriously |
| 16:10.13 | Keighvin | The statement of "...our criminal laws must be kep updated." is also a flag. |
| 16:10.19 | levi | I think the guy is talking out of his rear end and doesn't really understand what he's talking about, but I can see how an idiot might be worried about unsupported software in a life-supporting computer. |
| 16:10.58 | Keighvin | It can be translated as, "since we can't expect the free market business models to accept impact of evolving technology, we must restrict it (the technology / use thereof) to the Nth degree." |
| 16:11.05 | levi | It was probably the result of a brainstorming session in which the goal was to think of the most horrible possible consequences of software piracy. |
| 16:11.47 | Keighvin | So, if your fully licensed and registered software reclessly kills someone, you're off the hook? |
| 16:12.45 | Keighvin | The two scariest provisions: "Add pnalities for 'intended' copyright crimes" (not "attempted" mind you, just "intended"), and "Require Homeland Security to alert the RIAA" |
| 16:12.46 | levi | Yeah, because presumably you can then blame the software provider. |
| 16:13.34 | Keighvin | Who can then retroactively disable the key that was used to register the software, and claim that it was a pirated copy that was installed. |
| 16:14.04 | levi | That sort of software is not likely to be purchased in a store. There would be a paper trail. |
| 16:14.28 | Keighvin | One would hope, of course. |
| 16:14.39 | Tene | levi: blame microsoft, who has eula clauses about not being used in critical situations? |
| 16:15.12 | levi | Well, maybe it would prompt legal review of such clauses. They may not even be valid. |
| 16:15.34 | Keighvin | I've done medical software before - pharmeceutical contraindication reference stuff - and it's kind of scary. |
| 16:16.56 | Keighvin | Fortunately in those cases, training is more likely to be an issue than component failure within the software itself. |
| 16:17.20 | ^Migs^ | politicians just need to stay away from technology |
| 16:17.26 | Keighvin | Amen! |
| 16:17.35 | ^Migs^ | although al gore invented the internet. without a politician, we wouldn't even be talking to each other about this! |
| 16:18.06 | ^Migs^ | what do child molesters get? 5 years max? |
| 16:18.10 | Keighvin | ~blame Al Gore |
| 16:18.21 | ibot | ACTION blames Al Gore (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:18.40 | Keighvin | And premeditated murder can get as little as 15 years. |
| 16:18.52 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 16:19.08 | Keighvin | But distribute that copy of "My Humps" and boy, you're messing with the devil. |
| 16:19.11 | ^Migs^ | stupid corporations running America |
| 16:19.12 | levi | Well, there aren't any big-money interests in such petty things as human life. :P |
| 16:19.20 | goozbach | I need a simple perl interface to AJAX, any suggestions? I've seen there's an HTML::Dojo and an Asterisk2::Ajax, anyone used them? If so, do they have large learning curve? |
| 16:19.21 | beandog | levi: heh, well put. |
| 16:19.43 | Keighvin | Unless they're a celebrity. Then we have to spend 2 weeks of front-page headlines for a @#$& drug overdose. |
| 16:19.44 | elg | doh. |
| 16:19.49 | ^Migs^ | at some point the RIAA and MPAA will outlive their usefulness, and probably within the next 20 years they will be either nonexistent or radically transformed |
| 16:20.29 | elg | my restore was taking so long because I enabled my qos script and didn't realize that since I changed my LAN topology it applied equally to my LAN, and was throttling to dsl speeds |
| 16:20.32 | Keighvin | Or a thoroughly and overtly evil shadow group of controlling interests with their own hit squads. |
| 16:21.47 | levi | elg: Whoops! |
| 16:22.21 | vontrapp | still no worky :( |
| 16:22.29 | vontrapp | it doesn't just not post |
| 16:22.43 | vontrapp | it doesn't even put anything to the screen |
| 16:22.54 | levi | vontrapp: Does it beep? |
| 16:22.58 | vontrapp | cpu doesn't even get warm |
| 16:23.00 | vontrapp | no beep |
| 16:23.06 | levi | Probably a bad power plane. |
| 16:23.27 | vontrapp | some other chip in the middle of the mobo with a heatsink does get warm, though |
| 16:23.38 | elg | vontrapp: hit it with a hammer |
| 16:23.45 | vontrapp | power plane? |
| 16:23.57 | jsmith | Blame the capacitors |
| 16:23.58 | levi | Bootup on a modern x86 system is pretty complex. |
| 16:24.04 | vontrapp | elg: no, it's 'give it a good kick' sheesh |
| 16:24.11 | Keighvin | vontrapp: That's just a voltage conditioner/regulator, nothing spectacular. |
| 16:24.30 | levi | We did an in-house motherboard design here, and I got to watch the EE guys figure out how to make it work. It was crazy. |
| 16:24.33 | Keighvin | vontrapp: At least, if it's about 1cm^2 |
| 16:24.50 | levi | Keighvin: It could also be the northbridge |
| 16:25.03 | levi | Those are often heat-sinked these days. |
| 16:25.08 | vontrapp | it's about 1"sq |
| 16:25.21 | vontrapp | unless the heatsingk is bigger than the chip |
| 16:26.14 | levi | There's a huge list of chips and such that have to be properly initialized before you can tell the CPU to start up. A lot of in involves correctly sequencing the power-up of different voltage planes on the board. |
| 16:26.39 | levi | s/lot of in/lot of it/ |
| 16:28.28 | levi | Anyway, there's probably a bad capacitor or something on the board that's screwing with one of the vital power planes. |
| 16:28.47 | levi | If you could identify it, you could conceivably replace it. |
| 16:29.07 | elg | i'm still only getting 22mbit though. shouldn't 802.11g be closer to 54mbit? |
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| 16:29.53 | elg | strong signal. |
| 16:31.43 | vontrapp | is that why you got disconnected? |
| 16:31.50 | vontrapp | some signal |
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| 16:33.10 | elg | no I closed it on the whim that this laptop might be interfering |
| 16:33.16 | elg | but no increase in mbits |
| 16:34.03 | TheDruidXpawX | Hey, I just wanted to drop by and make sure ya'all knew about the Utah Tech Spotlight this Friday. It's about Control4 that does some very cool home automation. http://www.utahtechspotlight.com/2007/05/07/scheduling-change-control4-spotlight-may-18th/ |
| 16:35.14 | TheDruidXpawX | It's free, and free drinks. Apparently control4 is planning to bring along a major demo as well. |
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| 16:59.06 | graphyx | Well looks like baby #5 is.... a girl! |
| 16:59.17 | graphyx | the law of averages will always catch up to you in the end. |
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| 17:03.56 | goozbach | graphyx: your baby #5? |
| 17:04.05 | graphyx | We have 3 boys and a girl. |
| 17:04.12 | graphyx | yes |
| 17:04.15 | graphyx | baby #5 |
| 17:04.47 | goozbach | just born, or you finding out in utero? |
| 17:04.59 | graphyx | Just found out from the ultrasound |
| 17:05.02 | goozbach | just want to know how to congratulate you. |
| 17:05.20 | goozbach | congrats on the new future baby |
| 17:05.29 | graphyx | I will still be getting sleep for a while yet, but thanks. |
| 17:06.11 | jsmith | Sleep is over-rated |
| 17:06.20 | elg | sept-core |
| 17:07.10 | graphyx | jsmith: You have what 2 kids now? |
| 17:07.12 | graphyx | or just the one? |
| 17:07.19 | jsmith | Two |
| 17:07.24 | jsmith | A boy (8) and a girl (5) |
| 17:07.25 | graphyx | ok |
| 17:08.06 | graphyx | I use your experience as an example to me for when I get a little grumbly about how it affects my wife. |
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| 17:08.41 | jsmith | Yuck... just thinking about it makes me want to toss my tater tots |
| 17:08.50 | graphyx | I bet |
| 17:08.57 | graphyx | something wrong with them? |
| 17:08.59 | graphyx | jk |
| 17:09.13 | jsmith | No, the tator tots I had for lunch were very tasty |
| 17:09.17 | jsmith | (I just ate too many) |
| 17:09.27 | graphyx | I see |
| 17:09.36 | graphyx | working from home has its disadvantages. |
| 17:09.41 | ^Migs^ | http://dennisjudd.com/albums/cute_cats/11400801071167823247548_G.sized.jpg |
| 17:09.42 | graphyx | easy access to food that you like |
| 17:13.15 | jsmith | Actually, I've lost weight since I've been working from home |
| 17:13.20 | graphyx | really? |
| 17:13.22 | jsmith | Because I eat *healthier* food |
| 17:13.22 | graphyx | that is good |
| 17:13.25 | jsmith | And eat out less |
| 17:13.31 | graphyx | Could just be me not doing it right. |
| 17:13.41 | jsmith | And don't raid the snack machine at 3:30 every afternoon |
| 17:13.56 | graphyx | we actually eat out a lot more while my wife is pregnant. |
| 17:14.37 | graphyx | And I made a pledge to myself to never hit the snack machines at work. |
| 17:14.43 | graphyx | so I actually eat more at home. |
| 17:14.49 | graphyx | since i don't eat anything at work. |
| 17:32.31 | elg | i eat less at home |
| 17:32.50 | elg | when I go to work/school my wife makes me take a lunch |
| 17:33.30 | elg | when I'm home I often plow through breakfast or lunch without noticing |
| 17:34.07 | graphyx | elg: With as many kids as I have meals are rather structured and I don't get to skip any since my wife wants help. |
| 17:34.14 | lukfugl | mmm, this reminds me, I need to eat my leftover curry from last night |
| 17:36.03 | graphyx | oh, I am sure that it would curry over one more day. |
| 17:36.05 | lukfugl | it's only got so many parameters to curry |
| 17:36.10 | graphyx | just the sauce? |
| 17:36.10 | lukfugl | it turned out well, except for the peanut butter. the recipe I used said to use peanut butter, and I know I like thai peanut sauce and thought this was the cheap man's peanut sauce |
| 17:36.11 | graphyx | or did you eat noodles with it? |
| 17:36.12 | lukfugl | I was wrong |
| 17:36.36 | lukfugl | maybe with less peanut butter and more curry powder it would have been better, but the peanut butter was pretty overwhelming |
| 17:37.01 | lukfugl | and that was only 2 tbsp of peanut butter in ~2.5 quarts of curry |
| 17:37.30 | jsmith | Hmmmn... curry |
| 17:37.37 | graphyx | alfredo, despite american usage is just defining the sauce that is used. The noodle that usually accompanies it is called fettuccine. |
| 17:43.37 | Keighvin | Bloody Americans. |
| 17:44.19 | graphyx | light those brits are any better! |
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| 17:51.34 | elg | skipping meals is bad practice anyway. usually leads to more weight rather than less |
| 17:52.20 | tensai | putting cream on your cereal is a good weight loss technique |
| 17:53.18 | tensai | jsmith: I find I snack more at home because I never kept food at the office and we didn't have a snack machine |
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| 17:56.12 | elg | tensai: I've found the same thing |
| 17:56.26 | elg | it's amazing to get by with one bowl of cereal for breakfast |
| 17:56.40 | elg | low fat milk will ruin your life |
| 17:56.59 | tensai | all we had was skim so I augmented. normally I drink whole. |
| 17:57.23 | elg | yeah, someone keeps giving us milk |
| 17:57.24 | graphyx | tensai: putting cream on cereal will HELP you lose weight? |
| 17:57.27 | elg | so I have to get cream to augment :) |
| 17:57.31 | elg | graphyx: yup |
| 17:57.55 | jsmith | graphyx: According to Reader's Digest, the more milk products you drink, the more weight you'll lose |
| 17:58.01 | tensai | graphyx: I was being a little tongue-in-cheek, but yes I do believe cream is a healthy part of a diet |
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| 17:58.27 | graphyx | wow |
| 17:58.31 | graphyx | I don't drink milk |
| 17:58.38 | jsmith | You don't?!? |
| 17:58.40 | jsmith | Are you American? |
| 17:58.45 | Newsome | does that work with ice cream as well? |
| 17:58.46 | graphyx | I had an allergy to it when I was young |
| 17:58.50 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 17:58.55 | graphyx | so I never got into the habit |
| 17:59.02 | graphyx | now if I get too much I get the runs. |
| 17:59.15 | tensai | humans are the only mammals which never wean from milk |
| 17:59.21 | graphyx | so that would help but is less than pleasant. |
| 17:59.29 | jsmith | tensai: That's because we're smarter than the rest! |
| 17:59.45 | Newsome | and milkshakes? |
| 17:59.58 | elg | i read something recently about pasteurization being the cause of most people's milk problems |
| 18:00.03 | graphyx | hey Newsome, how are you doing? |
| 18:00.09 | elg | bec. it kills the enzymes or something |
| 18:00.13 | Newsome | and those yummy Oreo Klondike bars? |
| 18:00.16 | graphyx | interesting |
| 18:00.17 | Newsome | doing great |
| 18:00.17 | elg | so you might try raw milk |
| 18:00.21 | tensai | elg: raw milk contains its own enzymes, thus people who are lactose intolerant can still drink it. |
| 18:00.28 | graphyx | I like ice cream, and milkshakes |
| 18:00.39 | graphyx | I just don't *drink* it. |
| 18:00.43 | elg | the article said something like it was better for us non-lactose-intolerant also |
| 18:00.47 | tensai | raw milk is also great for making cheese |
| 18:01.05 | elg | well I rarely _drink_ milk, I get most on my cereal or via cheese/ice cream |
| 18:01.19 | tensai | I drink milk like there's no tomorrow |
| 18:01.23 | jsmith | In fact, I prefer it to soda |
| 18:01.29 | fozzmoo | same w/ my kids |
| 18:01.30 | lukfugl | I'm with jsmith and tensai |
| 18:01.32 | findlay | is there a tomorrow? |
| 18:01.38 | graphyx | I try to stay away from soda |
| 18:01.43 | lukfugl | my wife and I go through at least 2 gallons a week |
| 18:01.51 | elg | as for why it will help you lose weight - 80s and 90s fads notwithstanding fat is not your worst enemy in losing weight |
| 18:01.51 | lukfugl | between cereal and drinking |
| 18:01.54 | jsmith | My wife and kids and I go through more than a gallon a day |
| 18:02.01 | graphyx | but sometimes people have it at parties and sometimes my wife buys it. |
| 18:02.05 | lukfugl | jsmith: yeah, you have kids to help, though :) |
| 18:02.09 | graphyx | but usually I don't have it in a given week |
| 18:02.16 | jsmith | lukfugl: True, but I can out-chug all of them |
| 18:02.21 | elg | i go through maybe .66 gallons a week |
| 18:02.25 | elg | by myself |
| 18:02.28 | elg | my wife likes that soy trash |
| 18:02.34 | elg | and my son does goat milk |
| 18:02.41 | jsmith | elg: I can do that in a day without breaking a sweat |
| 18:02.50 | tensai | elg: yes. people associate fat in food with fat in the body, but the body doesn't just store fat away in your gut. |
| 18:02.54 | elg | though if you count the ice cream I eat... |
| 18:03.00 | elg | the body makes its own fat |
| 18:03.02 | graphyx | but can you drink an entire gallon in one hour? |
| 18:03.04 | elg | it doesn't need animal fat to get fat |
| 18:03.10 | elg | or vegetable fat |
| 18:03.19 | jsmith | graphyx: No, that's bordering on dangerous! |
| 18:03.25 | tensai | it can make fat out of hfcs-laden soda just as easily |
| 18:03.29 | elg | and the biggest indicator for the body to make fat is sugars (and starches) |
| 18:03.37 | elg | hence, the cereal you eat is more likely to make you fat than the milk you put on it |
| 18:03.39 | graphyx | jsmith: apparently it is one of the mission traditions around here in AR |
| 18:03.51 | jsmith | graphyx: I've heard that... |
| 18:03.52 | elg | so if you put cream on, you fill up with less cereal, and you might lose weight |
| 18:04.02 | tensai | the body is like pretty awesome |
| 18:04.13 | elg | i've seen pictures of idiots that did that |
| 18:04.16 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 18:04.18 | elg | or tried to anyway |
| 18:04.28 | elg | like a firehose going into the toilet or bathtub |
| 18:04.34 | elg | from the top side |
| 18:04.57 | tensai | that would be fun to see. I've always wanted to try it (on somebody else of course) |
| 18:05.21 | lukfugl | in the MTC some elders in my district had a similar contest, but with V8 |
| 18:05.25 | lukfugl | it was quite gross |
| 18:05.32 | graphyx | a gallon of V8? |
| 18:05.33 | lukfugl | fortunately they did it in the showers |
| 18:05.35 | elg | insta heartburn |
| 18:05.51 | elg | i dare someone to drink a gallon of chile water |
| 18:05.57 | graphyx | I don't know what the problem it would cause coming out would be. |
| 18:06.09 | lukfugl | contest to see who could get down the most of those 6oz cans before hurling |
| 18:06.09 | graphyx | elg: we are smarter than that! |
| 18:06.16 | lukfugl | I think the winner made it to about 8 or 9 |
| 18:06.24 | elg | I bet &migs$ will do it |
| 18:06.27 | graphyx | I think the real winner didn't participate |
| 18:06.38 | lukfugl | graphyx: yes, true :) |
| 18:06.46 | lukfugl | *I* didn't participate |
| 18:06.50 | lukfugl | I hate V8 |
| 18:06.56 | graphyx | like the milk challenge, the real winners are the spectators. |
| 18:07.08 | graphyx | I like V8, but I don't think I would do that. |
| 18:07.26 | graphyx | but to be honest the best diet assistance is water!!1 |
| 18:07.34 | graphyx | fills you up without those extra calories. |
| 18:07.37 | lukfugl | water++ |
| 18:08.01 | graphyx | at night if I get snacky I eat a snack and drink around 36 oz of cold water as well. |
| 18:08.11 | lukfugl | I remember reading somewhere, probably reader's digest (so take it with a grain of salt), that >80% of Americans are chronically dehydrated |
| 18:08.14 | goozbach | fozzmoo: chocolate milk has a bit of caffiene |
| 18:08.16 | graphyx | so that I do get the food and my stomach does get filled up |
| 18:08.24 | elg | drink more water |
| 18:08.41 | graphyx | just get yourself a nice water mug |
| 18:08.46 | graphyx | and take that with you. |
| 18:08.50 | goozbach | I drank an entire half gallon of Chocolate Milk before lunch |
| 18:09.03 | graphyx | wow thats a lot of milk. |
| 18:09.11 | goozbach | just today though |
| 18:09.16 | goozbach | I don't make a habit of doing that |
| 18:09.21 | graphyx | I would hope. |
| 18:09.26 | goozbach | what it lets me do is forgo lunch |
| 18:09.30 | tensai | I started drinking water at room temperature and found I prefer it, so now I drink water more regularly |
| 18:09.41 | elg | amen |
| 18:09.43 | goozbach | protien and sugar and fats to keep me satiated |
| 18:09.46 | elg | I hate ice water |
| 18:09.49 | elg | hurts my teeth |
| 18:09.58 | graphyx | I prefer ice water |
| 18:10.05 | graphyx | it doesn't hurt my teeth |
| 18:10.26 | graphyx | I don't drink 32' waret |
| 18:10.33 | graphyx | more like 40-45' |
| 18:10.37 | elg | -chat about drink |
| 18:10.38 | brac | drink was |
| 18:10.42 | elg | -chat drink more |
| 18:10.42 | brac | drink more water than on the NIC |
| 18:10.47 | goozbach | -chat about milk is |
| 18:10.48 | brac | milk is ultimate nasty |
| 18:10.51 | goozbach | hmm |
| 18:11.01 | graphyx | -chat about chocolate milk |
| 18:11.01 | brac | chocolate milk before lunch |
| 18:11.12 | graphyx | -chat about chocolate milk |
| 18:11.13 | brac | chocolate milk has a interesting cable; one side is using flat files |
| 18:11.28 | graphyx | ~grammar brac |
| 18:12.20 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 18:12.21 | brac | stuff did |
| 18:12.38 | lukfugl | room temperature water = nasty, ice water = pain. good water is ~50 degrees |
| 18:13.32 | lukfugl | e.g. refrigerated |
| 18:13.43 | elg | refrigerated is too cold too |
| 18:16.17 | findlay | -chat about room temperature |
| 18:16.17 | brac | room temperature water = pain. good water is just plain LEDs? |
| 18:16.25 | findlay | yeah |
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| 18:17.30 | tensai | graphyx: back to alfredo, I fell in love with alfredo sauces the other week. they're just so easy and so open to variation. |
| 18:18.29 | findlay | -chat about alfredo sauce |
| 18:18.30 | brac | alfredo sauce |
| 18:18.33 | findlay | -chat about alfredo sauces |
| 18:18.34 | brac | alfredo sauces the other cars on the vga |
| 18:22.37 | graphyx | tensai: yeah a good alfredo is good |
| 18:22.56 | graphyx | I like a good meat sauce on shells or pene pasta |
| 18:23.10 | graphyx | there are a ton of good types of pasta |
| 18:23.24 | graphyx | One I like is called buccatinni |
| 18:23.52 | graphyx | it is like long thin spaghetti, but has a hole down the length of it. |
| 18:24.00 | graphyx | rather amuzing. |
| 18:24.35 | findlay | pasta is good stuff |
| 18:24.53 | findlay | has anyone else tried whole grain pasta? |
| 18:25.02 | JoshH | i have |
| 18:25.10 | graphyx | findlay: yes. |
| 18:25.11 | JoshH | i like it |
| 18:25.13 | graphyx | good stuff |
| 18:25.16 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:28.48 | ^Migs^ | http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/05/secret-google-search-url-that-removes.html |
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| 18:30.39 | brac | [Apr 11 20:30:32] WARNING[12805]: chan_sip.c:2739 create_addr: No such thing. |
| 18:32.44 | graphyx | -chat |
| 18:32.45 | brac | and not men. I could give you bigger problems than a 5th grader?" |
| 18:34.17 | findlay | -chat about whole grain |
| 18:34.18 | brac | whole grain pasta? |
| 18:34.22 | findlay | yes |
| 18:34.23 | Tene | -yes |
| 18:35.05 | Tene | -chat about tene paste |
| 18:35.06 | brac | tene paste |
| 18:35.08 | Tene | -chat about tene pasta |
| 18:35.09 | brac | tene pasta |
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| 18:39.44 | Tene | I stopped drinking milk a few years back, and now I just can't stand it. |
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| 18:44.50 | ^Migs^ | your bones are going to rot without milk |
| 18:45.17 | Tene | erm... no... no they aren't. |
| 18:46.20 | Tene | That whole "strong bones" thing that the dairy industry advertises about isn't actually true at all. |
| 18:47.30 | ^Migs^ | I was kidding. Milk really isn't THAT good for you. Too much of it is bad. I actually don't let my kids drink too much of it. |
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| 19:03.36 | ^Migs^ | Without these people, we wouldn't have video games today: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3159462 |
| 19:03.50 | brac | [Videogames Turn 40 Years Old from 1UP.com] |
| 19:04.22 | lukfugl | ^Migs^: that google "article" makes me laugh, because it's on such an ad-heavy page |
| 19:04.39 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 19:04.49 | ^Migs^ | some of commenters mentioned that too |
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| 19:12.21 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1535595820070515 |
| 19:13.18 | ^Migs^ | why women shouldn't steal cars: http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1541614620070515 |
| 19:16.38 | graphyx | tensai: If you haven't try barilla brand pasta. Good stuff and not too expensive. |
| 19:27.06 | raventh1 | ^Migs^: if only that happened to everyone that stole cars |
| 19:27.07 | raventh1 | :D |
| 19:28.16 | Tene | http://www.macfixitforums.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum35&Number=812301&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1 |
| 19:28.27 | brac | [No graphical environment: Mac OS X 10.0 - 10.3.9 *System*: MacFixItForums] |
| 19:36.05 | tuple | Tene: is that your problem? |
| 19:36.12 | Tene | tuple: no. |
| 19:36.23 | Tene | tuple: I'm just surprised that MacOS has that failure mode at all. |
| 19:39.11 | Tene | findlay: dereference 'he'? |
| 19:40.13 | findlay | Tene: that would collapse the wave equation |
| 19:40.28 | graphyx | findlay: try to inverse the polarity |
| 19:41.25 | findlay | well I know I have 'problems' |
| 19:41.28 | Tene | findlay: http://ubuntustudio.org/ |
| 19:41.34 | findlay | must be me |
| 19:42.05 | findlay | if I didn't have problems they wouldn't pay me to fix them |
| 19:42.34 | graphyx | if you didn't have problems? |
| 19:42.43 | findlay | Tene: that site is taking lots of time to load |
| 19:42.44 | graphyx | or the stuff you take care of? |
| 19:43.02 | graphyx | sounds like you are a medical experiment subject. |
| 19:43.11 | findlay | heh |
| 19:43.17 | findlay | nope, I'm just the IT guy |
| 19:43.18 | Tene | Hmm. Maybe it's being hit by one of the popular news sites. |
| 19:43.33 | findlay | could be construed in a simmilar manner in this context I guess |
| 19:44.00 | tuple | Tene: you can start up in single user mode by holding s at boot |
| 19:45.09 | Tene | I just remember having heard people say that various linux distros are currently unacceptable because it should never, ever be possible for the OS to fail to load a graphic environment. |
| 19:45.17 | lukfugl | the blackness |
| 19:45.32 | lukfugl | was the site designed by an emo kid? |
| 19:45.40 | tuple | Tene: no doubt you may have heard people talking out their toenails like that |
| 19:45.48 | tuple | but it's a ridiculous assertion |
| 19:46.13 | lukfugl | oh, now the images have loaded |
| 19:46.17 | lukfugl | that makes a slight difference |
| 19:46.18 | findlay | I prefer to communicate with my computer through beeps |
| 19:47.13 | tuple | the probability of it should be low, but if your graphics system, which is thousands or millions of lines of code, were to somehow fail... would you rather have vontrapp's "it don't do nothing" problem or a unix prompt? |
| 19:47.13 | tuple | to your grandma it might be the same difference, of course |
| 19:48.02 | findlay | should I be an SA today or a programmer? |
| 19:48.11 | tuple | yup |
| 19:48.18 | findlay | ok |
| 19:48.26 | Tene | findlay: be a circus monkey. |
| 19:48.49 | findlay | I don't think I could do that too well |
| 19:49.09 | Tene | a sewer alligator? |
| 19:49.21 | lukfugl | Single Alcoholic? |
| 19:49.32 | lukfugl | spider amputator |
| 19:49.35 | lukfugl | that's it |
| 19:50.28 | Tene | Spider Ambulance. |
| 19:52.52 | tensai | graphyx: that's funny. I do have barilla pasta. for lunch I made an alfredo with ham, mushrooms and jalapeno on penne. |
| 19:55.02 | lukfugl | tensai: lol |
| 19:55.19 | lukfugl | Tene, rather |
| 19:55.31 | lukfugl | silly tab completion |
| 19:55.41 | lukfugl | Tene: are you familiar with CAD? |
| 19:55.45 | lukfugl | (the comic) |
| 19:56.16 | findlay | ~content header |
| 19:56.35 | graphyx | tensai: It is a well regarded brand in Italy as well. |
| 19:56.42 | findlay | ~script headers |
| 19:56.43 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, script headers is at http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1341.txt |
| 19:57.15 | tensai | graphyx: it says "italy's favorite pasta" or similar on the box. I did wonder if that was true. apparently so. |
| 19:57.31 | graphyx | it is true to a large degree. |
| 19:57.47 | tensai | marketing types have low thresholds for "true" |
| 19:58.07 | graphyx | now I would hope that they haven't sacrificed any quality for the american marketed stuff. |
| 19:58.11 | tuple | -chat suits are |
| 19:58.12 | brac | suits are rare. On the concrete trucks at the same sentence? |
| 19:58.23 | graphyx | perhaps it is the second rate stuff for the italians that the ship over here. |
| 19:59.02 | lukfugl | that description evoked the mental image of Ethan from that comic rather strongly. I will now forever picture findlay as Ethan, thanks to you. |
| 19:59.03 | tensai | "this batch tastes of cow manure. send it to the americans. ha ha ha ha" |
| 19:59.25 | lukfugl | (the description of findlay the spider ambulance) |
| 19:59.46 | Tene | lukfugl: yes |
| 19:59.56 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, why findley == ethan? |
| 20:00.21 | lukfugl | Jayce^: not in general, but Tene's description of the spider ambulance. I can see ethan doing that |
| 20:00.51 | Jayce^ | yes, that I can see |
| 20:01.31 | lukfugl | and since I didn't have a visual mental picture of findlay yet, Ethan's visage has filled the void |
| 20:02.11 | tensai | lukfugl: that would make you lucas of course, quite appropos considering your nick |
| 20:02.51 | findlay | what is the comic which irrevocably changed my virtual likeness? |
| 20:03.04 | tensai | findlay: control alt delete |
| 20:03.18 | Tene | ~SA |
| 20:03.20 | ibot | well, sa is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ or Strategic Assault - a Command & Conquer clone or http://eongames.com/games/if/ |
| 20:03.27 | brac | [Eon Games / Games / Strategic Assault] |
| 20:03.34 | Tene | ibot: SA is also Spider Ambulance |
| 20:03.35 | ibot | Tene: okay |
| 20:04.57 | findlay | ibot: SA is also super anthrax |
| 20:04.59 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 20:05.22 | Tene | ~findlay |
| 20:05.33 | Tene | ibot: findlay is also the spider ambulance |
| 20:05.35 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps is also the spider ambulance. |
| 20:05.35 | goozbach | ibot: SA is also Slimy Anubis |
| 20:05.37 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 20:06.27 | findlay | ~sa |
| 20:06.29 | ibot | well, sa is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ or Strategic Assault - a Command & Conquer clone or http://eongames.com/games/if/. Spider Ambulance, or super anthrax. Slimy Anubis |
| 20:06.34 | brac | [Eon Games / Games / Strategic Assault] |
| 20:09.34 | graphyx | there we go, we need a link between brac and ibot. and after brac gets a sentence with -chat look up the words and do a replace with one of the definitions that he found. |
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| 20:10.04 | nick125_lappy | Wee, GCC TV! |
| 20:10.10 | nick125_lappy | :D |
| 20:11.27 | findlay | what do I need to do in order to have a web page that is requested over ssl be served by the corresponding virtualhost, which also serves non ssl pages? |
| 20:11.45 | goozbach | findlay: is it a name based virtualhost? |
| 20:11.59 | findlay | when I try to go to the page in question it just brings up the stock apache page |
| 20:12.03 | findlay | goozbach: yeah |
| 20:12.12 | goozbach | the answer is you don't |
| 20:12.20 | findlay | how do I do it? |
| 20:12.33 | goozbach | SSL does NOT work with nameVhosts |
| 20:12.43 | findlay | oh, right, I forgot |
| 20:12.44 | goozbach | it's technicly impossible |
| 20:13.04 | nick125_lappy | You could try using lighttpd and do some evil voodoo |
| 20:13.09 | Jayce^ | gotta bind at the IP level, before the hostname is there |
| 20:13.28 | findlay | I don't care what kind of host it is, I just want the server serve some pages over ssl and others not |
| 20:13.43 | findlay | I've searched for about 3 hours on how to do this without finding anything helpful |
| 20:13.46 | jsmith | That's fine, but you'll need seperate IP addresses for your SSL hosts |
| 20:14.18 | findlay | jsmith: in addition to seperate ports then? |
| 20:14.35 | jsmith | findlay: As I understand it, yes. |
| 20:14.44 | findlay | seems like a waste of an ip address |
| 20:14.45 | jsmith | findlay: I'm no SSL expert, but I play one in IRC |
| 20:15.09 | goozbach | one SSL cert per IP address/port combo |
| 20:16.39 | findlay | well, the old site was working fine and then I replaced it with my site in the apache configuration and then no workingness |
| 20:23.13 | findlay | but how do you keep the session persistent across ssl+no ssl? |
| 20:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, a GET paramater in the URL? |
| 20:23.40 | goozbach | a correctly made cookie |
| 20:23.45 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: I guess I'm already using cookies |
| 20:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 20:24.47 | findlay | well, I don't understand how it was working before since both sites, the new and old, use name-based virtual hosts |
| 20:25.32 | Keighvin | Where in the config do the names appear? |
| 20:25.48 | Keighvin | If any access is done via IP, an an unknown name, Apache defaults to the first virtual host it finds. |
| 20:26.14 | findlay | Keighvin: there are ServerName directives in each virtual host block |
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| 20:42.28 | findlay | so, is there any good documentation on how to do this? |
| 20:45.54 | findlay | all of the howto's I've found so far seem to want to answer questions I don't care about. I just want a hello world example |
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| 20:47.33 | herlo | findlay: httpd.apache.org |
| 20:48.28 | findlay | herlo: what about it? |
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| 20:49.17 | herlo | findlay: that's where you'll find documentation on the Servername directive |
| 20:49.41 | findlay | herlo: I've already spend an hour there without learning anything helpful |
| 20:49.58 | herlo | findlay: interesting. I've always found what I am looking for on there... |
| 20:50.11 | herlo | findlay: plus the httpd.conf is usually really helpful too... |
| 20:50.54 | findlay | herlo: do you have any ideas on my specific problem? |
| 20:51.14 | herlo | findlay: I didn't read it all, but give me a sec |
| 20:51.48 | herlo | findlay, did you have VirtualHost yo.ur.ip.addr:443 somewhere? |
| 20:52.00 | findlay | nope |
| 20:52.50 | herlo | findlay: there is a line in your httpd.conf somewhere that will allow you to do virtualhosting via ip, should look something like that. It might be NameVirtualHost, or VirtualHost or something like that |
| 20:53.03 | findlay | in /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf there was a <VirtualHost _default_:443> directive |
| 20:53.45 | herlo | findlay: yeah, that's part of it, but that's for the actual hosts themselves, you need to tell apache that you're using virtualhosting |
| 20:54.17 | findlay | NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 20:54.35 | findlay | that line happens before all of the VirtualHosts |
| 20:55.05 | herlo | findlay: right, but note the port number? |
| 20:55.25 | findlay | ah, ok, so how do I handle SSL then? |
| 20:55.58 | lukfugl | redbeard2: so my experiment with curry yesterday was edible, but I learned a bit to |
| 20:56.10 | lukfugl | s/to/too |
| 20:56.13 | lukfugl | s/to/too/ |
| 20:56.16 | lukfugl | bah |
| 20:57.19 | herlo | findlay: you need to enable VirtualHosts for port 443, I don't recall the exact directive. In addition, you need to have an IP assigned for each vh that's going to use ssl |
| 20:57.49 | herlo | I'd also say it'll be easier if you just make everything ssl encrypted rather than have some that is and some that isn't |
| 20:57.57 | herlo | findlay: it might be something like this |
| 20:58.08 | herlo | NameVirtualHost: 12.34.56.78:443 |
| 20:58.14 | herlo | or rather |
| 20:58.20 | herlo | NameVirtualHost *:443 |
| 20:58.30 | herlo | and in the VirtualHost Directive |
| 20:58.45 | herlo | <VirtualHost 12.24.56.78:443> |
| 20:59.22 | herlo | and inside there, you'll need to state where the ssl cert and key reside along with all of the normal ServerName, DirectoryIndex, etc directives |
| 20:59.35 | herlo | findlay: does that make sense? |
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| 21:00.22 | rhale | was there a PLUG mtg last week? or is it tomorrow? |
| 21:00.23 | findlay | herlo: somewhat. The cert and key and everything else was already set up by somebody else and he doesn't remember how he set it up before. I only know it used to work |
| 21:01.24 | herlo | you only need to point to where they are, you don't need to make a new key or cert |
| 21:01.37 | herlo | findlay: OS? |
| 21:01.53 | findlay | that happens in <VirtualHost _default_:443> right? |
| 21:02.27 | findlay | herlo: CentOS release 4.4 (Final) |
| 21:02.47 | Jayce^ | rhale, last week |
| 21:03.55 | rhale | thanks Jayce |
| 21:04.56 | herlo | findlay: so you should find a makefile in /usr/share/ssl/certs |
| 21:05.10 | findlay | yes |
| 21:05.21 | herlo | if you run the make command, you'll be given instructions on what to do to generate your key, crt and csr |
| 21:05.44 | herlo | the csr goes to the third party signer, unless you're doing a self signed cert |
| 21:05.50 | findlay | herlo: I already have all of those |
| 21:05.53 | herlo | then you just need to create the key and cert |
| 21:06.02 | herlo | findlay: I am just saying that if you need another one |
| 21:06.08 | findlay | ok |
| 21:06.42 | herlo | because if you've got two vhosts on different IP addresses, then you'll need a new ssl cert for the second ssl site |
| 21:06.42 | herlo | er vhost |
| 21:07.42 | findlay | well I set it up like you said and I still get the default apache page on the ssl site |
| 21:07.57 | findlay | why is apache so hard to configure? |
| 21:08.02 | herlo | findlay: its not |
| 21:08.10 | herlo | you are doing something wrong |
| 21:08.46 | findlay | herlo: yeah because you've spend years doing it :) |
| 21:08.46 | herlo | can you pastebin your config? |
| 21:08.46 | herlo | findlay: about 1 year is all |
| 21:08.48 | herlo | and I rarely did vhosting |
| 21:09.55 | goozbach | great little anticdote at the end of this page: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Riddle-Me-An-Interview.aspx |
| 21:17.04 | lukfugl | most awesome robot EVER http://guitarheronoid.blogspot.com/ |
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| 21:41.50 | bonez39 | what sort of drive would be showing up as '/dev/md0' ? I just installed, but have yet to format or use a new hitachi 400mb SATA hdd |
| 21:42.12 | beandog | raid |
| 21:42.18 | beandog | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:45.12 | tuple | goozbach: I've decided that if I'm in an interview like that, I'll quickly decide |
| 21:45.52 | tuple | Am I really really disinterested in this company? If not, diatribe about the ineffective interview tactics |
| 21:46.20 | herlo | beandog: ping |
| 21:46.20 | tuple | Am I really really interested in this company? Try to play along, rethink my life when I get home. |
| 21:46.31 | beandog | herlo: hide |
| 21:46.32 | beandog | er, pong |
| 21:46.37 | tuple | Am I neutral? Play with the interviewer (a la the anecdote) |
| 21:46.39 | herlo | beandog: any emails? |
| 21:46.44 | beandog | vemos. |
| 21:46.51 | herlo | beandog: wierd |
| 21:47.05 | tuple | weird |
| 21:47.08 | beandog | nope |
| 21:47.08 | beandog | :C |
| 21:47.35 | tuple | hmmm. why does macports want perl in order to install rubygems? |
| 21:47.57 | lukfugl | tuple: heh |
| 21:48.19 | herlo | tuple: I do that word wrong all the time |
| 21:48.19 | tuple | and ruby is already installed |
| 21:48.22 | tuple | (from ports) |
| 21:49.04 | tuple | so it must be some "stupid packaging trick" |
| 21:49.04 | beandog | huh, thats weird. i bought an SSL cert and I totally forgot about it. |
| 21:49.04 | tuple | which means the packager probably isn't a rubyist. abort! |
| 21:49.04 | herlo | beandog: nice emoticon with the handlebar mustache |
| 21:49.19 | beandog | heh |
| 21:49.30 | beandog | actually its a big frownie. shows up in gaim, its habit now. |
| 21:50.00 | tuple | i thought it was a walrus |
| 21:51.59 | Jayce^ | http://tcritic.com/archives/top-ten-star-wars-t-shirts/ |
| 21:52.12 | Jayce^ | goozbach, there are some there you will have to buy :) |
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| 21:55.45 | tuple | I like the chebacca one |
| 21:56.16 | Jayce^ | Metal Vader. |
| 21:56.28 | Jayce^ | always have loved PVP's Han Shot First |
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| 22:04.47 | lukfugl | the second che-bacca is the best, imo |
| 22:05.02 | lukfugl | althought the live-action vader picture is also awesome |
| 22:06.46 | findlay | what payment gateway would you guys recommend? |
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| 22:07.42 | Jayce^ | findlay, what is the product, what code are you using (or POS), what transaction level, etc? |
| 22:07.59 | findlay | Jayce^: just processing CCNs |
| 22:08.06 | findlay | on the web |
| 22:09.00 | lukfugl | they've all been equally easy/difficult to work with technically, IMO, so I'd make the choice based on business needs |
| 22:09.25 | lukfugl | each vastly different, but workable |
| 22:09.58 | findlay | I'd go with authorize, but they don't like to tell me what their prices are |
| 22:10.00 | lukfugl | there's more and more OS gateway libraries in $language springing up to, so you'll probably be able to get by technically with any of the big name ones |
| 22:10.26 | findlay | I'm instinctively wary of people who sell stuff but don't say how much it is :) |
| 22:10.45 | Jayce^ | findlay, none of them will, there are many factors that play into your rate |
| 22:11.00 | findlay | lukfugl: yeah, I've done some gateway code before |
| 22:11.46 | Jayce^ | if perl, look at the BOP code, auth.net, echo, and a few others are well supported |
| 22:11.56 | Jayce^ | quite a few :) |
| 22:12.28 | findlay | well, I just have a commercial website. I could as easily go with paypal as anything else |
| 22:13.14 | findlay | I remember the worst of all is payfowl, I mean payfoul |
| 22:13.47 | findlay | what gets me is when gateways have a PRO(R) version in C++ or .NET or something ugly like that :-) |
| 22:14.04 | Keighvin | VI habits are harsh. |
| 22:14.16 | findlay | indeed |
| 22:14.23 | Keighvin | I keep closing the SVN GUI comment windows because after I'm done typing I whack ESC. |
| 22:15.13 | Jayce^ | :wq :) |
| 22:15.17 | Keighvin | ZZ |
| 22:15.19 | Tene | Ouch. |
| 22:15.20 | Keighvin | (faster) |
| 22:15.30 | Tene | Keighvin: why not just use vim as your svn editor? |
| 22:15.31 | Jayce^ | yeah, that was the first way I learned |
| 22:16.04 | Keighvin | Tene: Not an option on this machine - it's somebody else's Windows lappy I'm wrapping up a contract with. |
| 22:16.09 | Keighvin | I don't get to change everything. :( |
| 22:16.11 | Tene | Eww. |
| 22:16.14 | Tene | That's lame. |
| 22:16.19 | Keighvin | I know. |
| 22:16.27 | Tene | Why are you developing code on J Random's windows laptop? |
| 22:16.31 | Keighvin | But hey, $6K for 2 1/2 weeks work ain't bad. |
| 22:16.43 | Keighvin | It's provided by the company I'm doing the contract for. |
| 22:16.50 | Tene | 'kay |
| 22:17.34 | herlo | A very entertaining site if you are interested in buying a new PC: http://www.ninjapirate.com/newcomputer.html |
| 22:17.39 | brac | [When is it time buy a new computer?] |
| 22:30.09 | findlay | I just want to find an OSS friendly gateway |
| 22:30.47 | beandog | we use authorize.net w/ph |
| 22:30.48 | beandog | php |
| 22:31.36 | findlay | beandog: with a reseller? |
| 22:31.43 | beandog | uh |
| 22:31.48 | beandog | what do you mean |
| 22:31.57 | beandog | I dunno |
| 22:31.58 | beandog | ask Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:32.00 | findlay | authorize has dozens of resellers |
| 22:32.03 | beandog | he's much smarter than me. |
| 22:32.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Eh? |
| 22:32.17 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: yo |
| 22:32.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Hi. |
| 22:32.34 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: what's your favorite payment gateway? |
| 22:32.47 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog lies btw. About being "much smarter" than him. |
| 22:32.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm way more than much smarter. |
| 22:32.57 | beandog | :) |
| 22:32.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 22:33.10 | beandog | it's true. |
| 22:33.18 | beandog | I'm about as smart as your average can of sliced tomatoes. |
| 22:33.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I dunno findlay. There's... ermmm. Crap. |
| 22:33.38 | Lone_Wanderer | It's been ages since I used one. |
| 22:33.39 | findlay | yeah, they're all pretty much dung |
| 22:34.01 | Lone_Wanderer | authorize.net, that's the one |
| 22:34.06 | Lone_Wanderer | big name, not too bad, good support |
| 22:34.15 | findlay | but do you use a reseller? |
| 22:34.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know. |
| 22:34.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Like I said, it's been ages (like more than two years) since I interfaced with any payment gateway. |
| 22:34.49 | findlay | ugh |
| 22:34.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Sorry mate. |
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| 23:30.29 | bonez41 | ??? |
| 23:32.52 | tensai | the answer is probably 42 |
| 23:33.05 | beandog | heh |
| 23:36.05 | bonez41 | 42? |
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| 23:36.50 | beandog | ~wiki 42 |
| 23:36.55 | bonez41 | oh |
| 23:37.02 | beandog | meh. |
| 23:37.08 | beandog | ~wiki 42_(number) |
| 23:37.27 | beandog | following 41 and preceding 43? |
| 23:37.28 | beandog | wtc |
| 23:37.41 | findlay | ibot needs to scrub wikipedia's markup :) |
| 23:37.43 | beandog | I hope that's dynamic. :) |
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