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| 02:36.03 | nick125_lappy | The person at t-mobile is saying if you leave a computer on for too long, it won't access the internet ... |
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| 02:40.08 | nick125_lappy | And now they are playing crappy rap music |
| 02:40.11 | harleypig | Anyone from GuruLabs got their ears on? |
| 02:40.25 | nick125_lappy | harleypig: What happened to their ears? |
| 02:40.38 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.46 | nick125_lappy | :-) |
| 02:41.27 | nick125_lappy | This is the only time that having your phone cutting out is good. |
| 02:42.43 | harleypig | why? |
| 02:42.43 | harleypig | Oh ... you're on hold with someone? |
| 02:42.56 | nick125_lappy | Yes. And they are playing crappy rap music. |
| 02:43.30 | harleypig | saying crappy rap is redundant. |
| 02:44.27 | nick125_lappy | this is beyond crappy |
| 02:45.16 | nick125_lappy | Actually, I know some rap that is even worse. |
| 02:46.00 | vontrapp | so who has a spare usb->serial collecting dust? |
| 02:46.08 | harleypig | I'm not sure which is worse ... the fact that there is worse rap, or that you know about it. |
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| 02:46.57 | nick125_lappy | harleypig: Someone at my school went to a local recording studio and a friend of mine had the edit the video. |
| 02:47.00 | vontrapp | harleypig: i can pretend to be guru |
| 02:47.08 | harleypig | heh |
| 02:47.33 | vontrapp | your lab results are back, congratulations, you're pregnant |
| 02:47.42 | harleypig | nick125_lappy: That's not even in the ballpark! |
| 02:47.50 | harleypig | vontrapp: Wheee! Triplets? |
| 02:48.09 | vontrapp | one of the q'a |
| 02:48.13 | vontrapp | *q's |
| 02:48.23 | vontrapp | can't tell yet if it's 4 or 5 |
| 02:48.38 | vontrapp | two might fuse together |
| 02:48.44 | vontrapp | maybe 4.5? |
| 02:49.59 | vontrapp | would that be quantuplets or qiudruplets? |
| 02:50.17 | vontrapp | s/iu/ui |
| 02:51.34 | vontrapp | ah, was plug tonight? |
| 02:51.35 | harleypig | Didn't King do a book on that? |
| 02:51.51 | vontrapp | stephen? sounds like 'im |
| 02:52.58 | vontrapp | so i got this bike today |
| 02:53.03 | vontrapp | nice big frame |
| 02:53.22 | vontrapp | it's got a whacky derailur though |
| 02:54.06 | vontrapp | the guy had it clamped on the axle with the wheel |
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| 02:54.32 | vontrapp | doesn't have the bolt thingy to hold it to the proper place on the frame |
| 02:54.56 | harleypig | Harley? Yamaha? BMW? |
| 02:54.56 | vontrapp | trek |
| 02:54.56 | harleypig | ? |
| 02:54.56 | harleypig | Oh. |
| 02:54.57 | harleypig | Duh. |
| 02:55.01 | vontrapp | i wish it was that kind of bike ;) |
| 02:55.04 | harleypig | Sorry ... I've got motorbikes on the brain. |
| 02:55.05 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 02:55.54 | vontrapp | i thought you were someone else trying to associate harleypig with yamaha |
| 02:56.05 | vontrapp | or bmw |
| 02:56.24 | nick125_lappy | Oh god, not again. Not more rap music! |
| 02:56.26 | harleypig | I wouldn't mind riding a bimmer ... those bikes are nice. |
| 02:56.39 | vontrapp | i don't think of you as a bmw kind of guy |
| 02:56.39 | harleypig | nick125_lappy: You're in hell. Get used to it. |
| 02:56.54 | harleypig | I'm not really ... but those bikes are still really nice. |
| 02:57.03 | vontrapp | nick125_lappy: just become a hellion then enjoy it |
| 02:57.21 | vontrapp | yeah |
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| 02:57.36 | vontrapp | needs gaskets |
| 02:57.56 | vontrapp | runs like crap right now |
| 02:58.15 | vontrapp | gaskets for carb and head |
| 02:58.29 | nick125_lappy | I think I've been on hold so long that I've forgotten who I was talking to. |
| 02:58.40 | vontrapp | and apparently shops mark those darn things up like 200% |
| 02:59.05 | nick125_lappy | vontrapp: one of those things where you can buy a new bike for the cost of the parts |
| 02:59.44 | vontrapp | well, i think i can get wholesale parts from the shop i work at |
| 02:59.57 | vontrapp | that could probably work out |
| 03:00.41 | vontrapp | and it will be a fun weekend project |
| 03:00.50 | vontrapp | for a few weekends :) |
| 03:01.25 | nick125_lappy | Now they are trying to get me to upgrade to a new handset. |
| 03:01.44 | vontrapp | i know i went once at least |
| 03:01.51 | nick125_lappy | I called in pretty pissed about coverage issues, and they want to offer me an upgrade? |
| 03:01.53 | vontrapp | don't remember what they said :/ |
| 03:02.36 | vontrapp | nick125_lappy: you need an upgrade to be happy with you crap coverage |
| 03:03.02 | vontrapp | how can you be happy with crappy coverage _and_ a crappy phone? |
| 03:04.23 | vontrapp | any way, my manpowered bike was only 65 and came with an extra whange of tires |
| 03:04.33 | vontrapp | *change |
| 03:04.47 | vontrapp | just like my car did |
| 03:05.07 | vontrapp | and it's about time to swicth to the summer car tires again, woohoo! |
| 03:05.43 | nick125_lappy | Now they are adding bonus minutes to my account. |
| 03:05.51 | nick125_lappy | What good are bonus minutes if I have no coverage? |
| 03:07.02 | elg | better than ever - you can't run out! |
| 03:07.26 | vontrapp | so i guess no one here has that usb->serial i'm looking for, eh? |
| 03:07.46 | vontrapp | fat lot o' good you all are |
| 03:08.16 | vontrapp | what's that mailing list of have's and wants? |
| 03:08.39 | elg | the personals? |
| 03:09.17 | vontrapp | "25yo male seeking gadgets" |
| 03:09.30 | vontrapp | um... nm |
| 03:10.11 | vontrapp | s/gadgets/computer parts/ |
| 03:11.50 | vontrapp | elg: no, it's a list where one says 'getting rid of X' and 'i want Y' |
| 03:16.05 | nick125_lappy | Craigslist? |
| 03:17.09 | vontrapp | nope |
| 03:21.21 | elg | never heard of it |
| 03:21.24 | elg | try craigslist |
| 03:22.28 | elg | woohoo, I'm done poisoning the mind of unsuspecting undergrads (for a couple months) |
| 03:23.09 | harleypig | vontrapp: Utah Country Freecyclers? |
| 03:23.16 | vontrapp | mebbe |
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| 03:23.30 | harleypig | That was quick. |
| 03:25.51 | vontrapp | i guess i just happened to switch windows right as you said that |
| 03:28.07 | harleypig | heh ... tuxd00d joined and parted quickly |
| 03:28.57 | vontrapp | oh |
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| 03:29.40 | elg | gag, "JavaFX Script" - did they hire someone to think of the worst possible name? |
| 03:29.57 | harleypig | Java special effects ? |
| 03:30.23 | elg | 5 syllables. total confusion with javascript, no real meaning, and 13 characters, 4 of which are uppercase |
| 03:30.56 | harleypig | What is this from? |
| 03:33.04 | rsimpkins | Was plug tonight? |
| 03:33.13 | rsimpkins | I never got details for the web site - so I didn't post. |
| 03:34.24 | elg | apparently for the Java Mobile FX which is another poorly-named device. can you guess what it is? |
| 03:34.28 | harleypig | Yeah it was, but it kinda failed, from what I hear (I forgot). |
| 03:34.29 | elg | of course not. the name has no meaning |
| 03:34.38 | harleypig | Mobile ... phone or handheld? |
| 03:34.40 | elg | it's apparently an iphone competitor |
| 03:34.46 | harleypig | eww |
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| 03:35.36 | elg | here's the javafx link http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2242 |
| 03:36.35 | nick125_lappy | What about the ofone?! |
| 03:37.34 | harleypig | OMG ... it looks like someone included some COBOL concepts as well!!! |
| 03:37.47 | nick125_lappy | I cracked up so hard when I saw the oFone |
| 03:37.47 | harleypig | insert 10 as first into x; |
| 03:37.56 | harleypig | That's COBOL!!! |
| 03:38.07 | harleypig | except it has a ; instead of . |
| 03:38.34 | harleypig | ew ew ew |
| 03:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | How can I make sed replace a maximum of one match? |
| 03:39.08 | harleypig | sed: Replace a maximum of one match, kthanks. |
| 03:39.12 | harleypig | :> |
| 03:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm replacing every occurance of 'UUIDHERE' in a file with the output of `uuidgen`.. likewise, I get the same UUID in ever place in the file |
| 03:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which isn't the point of a UUID :) |
| 03:39.40 | pmcnabb | ScytheBlade1: i believe it only does the first unless you add 'g' after the substitution |
| 03:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | pmcnabb, they're on seperate lines though |
| 03:41.43 | pmcnabb | that's what you want... it applies the substitution on each line, and it will only do it once |
| 03:41.48 | nick125_lappy | the oFone actaully seems somewhat innovative |
| 03:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | well, I've got: sed -i 's/UUIDHERE/'`uuidgen`'/' file.xml |
| 03:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Every occurance of UUIDHERE gets the same UUID |
| 03:43.11 | Tene | ScytheBlade1: yeah, that's how commandline substitution works... |
| 03:43.27 | Tene | it runs uuidgen before running sed |
| 03:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene, I'm looking for a way around it. :) |
| 03:43.43 | Tene | ScytheBlade1: |
| 03:43.45 | pmcnabb | ScytheBlade1: perhaps you have ^M newlines? |
| 03:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, they're \n |
| 03:44.30 | Tene | use perl or some such |
| 03:44.37 | Tene | you can't do that with shell substitution |
| 03:44.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was afraid of |
| 03:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks though |
| 03:44.49 | pmcnabb | also, fyi, you can leave off the -i option and just check stdout... much faster for experimenting |
| 03:47.50 | pmcnabb | just out of curiosity, try changing the single quotes to double quotes.. |
| 03:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, no go |
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| 03:53.12 | nick125_lappy | Hahaha, some comcast tech hooked a coaxial cable up to a power line and fried some guy's laptop, modem, and other things caused by the small explosion |
| 03:57.05 | nick125_lappy | One of the consumerist comments: "P.S. To the Comcast tech...I don't think you should be allowed anywhere near anything with wires. Try..say....gardening." |
| 03:57.17 | nick125_lappy | http://consumerist.com/consumer/complaints/powerbook-explodes-after-comcast-plugs-in-wrong-cable-222665.php |
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| 05:33.53 | synic | vontrapp: http://www.xmission.com/cgi-bin/announcements?num=784.xmission.sponsored.computer.recycling.event |
| 05:34.16 | synic | haven't been paying attention, but it seems like I remember you saying something about wanting computer parts. |
| 05:34.43 | synic | oh wait, I'm confused. |
| 05:34.54 | synic | This is where you get rid of parts. Nevermind. I'm an idiot. Don't look at me. |
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| 13:14.29 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | http://halls.lug-nut.com/jayce/2007/04/24/Brynn_is_Born | Congrats to lukfugl on having kittens. Who'da thunk it? |
| 13:14.52 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 13:15.17 | elg | take that you, you, you... redhat employee! |
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| 13:21.29 | emcnabb | elg: someone's bitter this morning |
| 13:21.48 | elg | it's the only mean thing I could think to say about you |
| 13:22.03 | elg | i guess i could have called you an sjansen friend |
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| 13:24.17 | elg | -chat emcnabb is |
| 13:24.17 | brac | emcnabb is currently creating an XML-markup based system similar to how he can do. that field looks awesome. |
| 13:24.32 | elg | nice field, emcnabb |
| 13:25.29 | elg | -chat harlyepig in |
| 13:25.29 | brac | harlyepig in |
| 13:25.39 | elg | -chat imagine if |
| 13:25.39 | brac | imagine if he tries |
| 13:31.42 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach is |
| 13:31.42 | brac | goozbach is being called up to my work bench or on a sperate *drive* |
| 13:31.48 | goozbach | wow! |
| 13:48.07 | graphyx | -chat about graphyx is |
| 13:48.08 | brac | graphyx is more like I'll have to query the VM status. |
| 13:48.24 | graphyx | -chat about graphyx is |
| 13:48.24 | brac | graphyx is male. |
| 13:48.35 | graphyx | lol |
| 13:48.50 | graphyx | yup that sure is correct! |
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| 14:11.59 | elg | -chat |
| 14:11.59 | brac | those darn calculators exist! |
| 14:12.06 | elg | darn calculators! |
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| 14:22.31 | graphyx | anyone else think that we need to infuse ibot with red dwarf quotes? |
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| 14:27.36 | goozbach | that'd be cool |
| 14:34.32 | harleypig | Why not just give ibot the fortune databases? |
| 14:34.53 | harleypig | have it randomly say something from them |
| 14:34.59 | Jayce^ | sod off you smeghead |
| 14:35.11 | harleypig | :P |
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| 14:38.21 | harleypig | oooo... a pure perl ecmascript interpreter ... http://search.cpan.org/dist/JE/ |
| 14:38.39 | harleypig | sorry ... engine, not interpreter |
| 14:39.15 | jsmith | Oooh... |
| 14:44.19 | harleypig | It's still alpha, but cool none the less. |
| 14:51.01 | graphyx | ~say of course there is a silicon heaven, where else would all the calculators go? |
| 14:51.28 | ibot | of course there is a silicon heaven, where else would all the calculators go |
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| 15:19.33 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | http://halls.lug-nut.com/jayce/2007/04/24/Brynn_is_Born | Congrats to lukfugl on having kittens. Who'da thunk it? |
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| 15:20.22 | levi | ibot: Welcome back. |
| 15:20.25 | ibot | Howdy, back.! |
| 15:23.05 | levi | I don't know why you'd want to execute javascript with a perl runtime. |
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| 15:32.41 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 15:34.06 | graphyx | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SKOREA_HIGH_WIRE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 15:37.56 | elg | I just love the erlang philosophy about errors |
| 15:38.03 | elg | "don't program defensively" |
| 15:38.17 | elg | "program for the normal case" |
| 15:38.50 | levi | Yeah, I like that too. Except you do program defensively, it's just a very different kind of defense and at a different level. |
| 15:38.53 | elg | or rather, separate normal cases and error cases |
| 15:39.16 | elg | yeah. i'm reading a doc now that compares it to the operating system. the kernel is correct, the userspace programs aren't |
| 15:39.26 | elg | if a userspace program crashes, it only affects that program |
| 15:39.31 | elg | seems like the only way to scale |
| 15:39.57 | elg | it also helps that ericsson uses erlang and these philosophies for very high reliability |
| 15:40.10 | elg | whereas the "test everything all the time" camp just does that because it gives them warm fuzzies |
| 15:41.33 | levi | Yeah, the real-word verification of the principles makes them very interesting indeed. |
| 15:41.38 | levi | Er, real-world. |
| 15:45.16 | ^Migs^ | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/?GT1=9951 |
| 15:45.21 | ^Migs^ | stupid hippie freaks |
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| 15:55.25 | elg | but think of how kind they are to animals |
| 15:58.41 | elg | so does vegan include avoiding mother's milk? |
| 15:58.50 | Jayce^ | elg, normally, yes |
| 15:59.15 | elg | really? that's insane |
| 15:59.26 | levi | That is totally, completely insane. |
| 16:00.33 | levi | And not true, according to the first few google hits for 'vegan breast milk' |
| 16:01.00 | elg | ~lynch Jayce^ |
| 16:01.12 | Jayce^ | levi, it depends on the group.. some consider it "natural" and ok, others not, because it's still an animal product |
| 16:02.00 | Jayce^ | basically, those with a shred of sanity realize it's good.. |
| 16:03.29 | levi | Well, being against breastfeeding certainly doesn't seem to be the 'normal' vegan stance. |
| 16:12.11 | elg | is there such a thing |
| 16:12.26 | goozbach | a "normal" vegan? |
| 16:12.42 | Supaplex | imo, that couple doesn't reflect the majority of the vegan world. |
| 16:13.24 | elg | l they're obviously beyond fanatical, or stupid, or both |
| 16:15.29 | ^Migs^ | vegans don't love animals, they hate plants. |
| 16:15.33 | Supaplex | some vegans have allergies :) these ones are alergic to common sense! |
| 16:18.17 | levi | goozbach: Being vegan is clearly not normal in the wider context of humanity, but within veganism there are certainly cultural norms, and those who adhere to them would be considered 'normal vegans'. |
| 16:19.50 | Supaplex | someday you might be alergic to soy. have fun when that happens. |
| 16:20.48 | levi | There are alternative vegan ways to getting the necessary nutrients, AFAIK. |
| 16:22.27 | lukfugl | graphyx: poor Han Solo, being crossed by that many people |
| 16:22.56 | levi | soy is just the only vegetable to contain all the necessary amino acids, but there are other vegetable combinations that do, too. |
| 16:23.06 | levi | Like beans & rice, for example. |
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| 16:26.58 | levi | Careful vegans probably have a far better diet than the average American, but this is largely because they actually pay attention to the nutrients in what they eat. Idiot vegans who starve their babies deserve to have the book thrown at them, though. |
| 16:30.17 | ^Migs^ | humans didn't evolve as vegans. |
| 16:30.25 | ^Migs^ | our body chemisty requires that we eat meat. |
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| 16:34.58 | findlay | Dvorak's 1st symphony sounds much like his 7th |
| 16:42.34 | levi | ^Migs^: Our body chemistry allows, but does not require, us to eat meat. |
| 16:48.11 | lukfugl | levi: meat, while not required, is probably one of the most efficient ways to get our required nutrients |
| 16:48.53 | levi | lukfugl: I don't disagree. |
| 16:51.30 | levi | You can also live on a meat-only diet. |
| 16:52.01 | levi | I wouldn't really want to do either extreme. |
| 16:53.46 | findlay | in the biology class I had last semester the professor said that animal-based food is generally more nutritious for you because it is more like your chemical construction, and therefore the nutrients are more easily absorbed and used |
| 16:54.59 | levi | findlay: Are you trying to counter a point I made, or just sharing tangential information? |
| 16:57.57 | findlay | levi: I'm concuring with what lukfugl said by saying that meat is in the terms of my professor 'higher quality food' |
| 16:58.35 | findlay | although it comes in much less abundance |
| 17:02.26 | findlay | I had a dream last night that I was alternatively on the stage performing at Abravanel hall and coding python and it wasn't fun |
| 17:11.06 | graphyx | http://www.cheap-chic-weddings.com/wedding-contest-2006.html |
| 17:11.13 | graphyx | toilet paper wedding dresses. |
| 17:11.33 | graphyx | Just don't recommend getting thrown in the fountain while wearing them. |
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| 17:17.45 | levi | So, here's a link to the entire text of von Neumann's text on self-reproducing automata: http://www.walenz.org/vonNeumann/page0001.html |
| 17:17.47 | brac | [book - Theory of Self-Reproducing Automata / page iii - Title Page] |
| 17:17.58 | levi | (the /other/ kind of von Neumann machine) |
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| 17:29.25 | levi | Someone just called my office phone asking for a fur gallery or something, but realized that he got the wrong number shortly after I answered. |
| 17:37.33 | findlay | no suprise that Dvorak's 4th symphony won him an award and fame |
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| 17:46.48 | graphyx | Ok who got me started on OOTS? |
| 17:47.18 | graphyx | Now I can't wait for the next comic to be published! Including Elfworld now1 |
| 17:47.20 | graphyx | ! |
| 17:47.33 | bonez39 | what's the name of that extension for spoofing firefox, to look like other browser? it's an add-on? ?? |
| 17:47.45 | graphyx | It's all your fault that I have to open up my rrs feed every couple hours now! |
| 17:47.55 | graphyx | user agent? |
| 17:48.25 | bonez39 | ah, user agent..thanks |
| 17:48.55 | graphyx | sure |
| 17:49.03 | graphyx | Is that the actual name of the plugin? |
| 17:49.12 | graphyx | Seems appropriate I guess. |
| 17:49.48 | graphyx | I meant erfworld |
| 17:52.15 | findlay | can somebody explain to me the check clause on this SQL statement: |
| 17:52.17 | findlay | ALTER TABLE products ADD COLUMN description text CHECK (description <> ''); |
| 17:53.18 | findlay | specifically what does <> mean? |
| 17:54.28 | lukfugl | graphyx: I'm not a fan of erfworld, but I have all (published so far) of the oots books :) don't think I'm the one that introduced you to it though |
| 17:54.30 | goozbach | graphyx: sorry |
| 17:55.39 | lukfugl | findlay: I'm guessing "not equal" |
| 17:55.57 | findlay | hm |
| 17:56.25 | findlay | I think != is better |
| 17:56.33 | findlay | more specific |
| 17:56.53 | lukfugl | I agree |
| 17:58.48 | graphyx | I am not upset about it so much as pleased to have found something that I like |
| 17:59.12 | graphyx | but at the same time frustrated at the slow rate of release. |
| 17:59.14 | graphyx | =] |
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| 18:05.30 | tensai | ok, what am I missing? I just installed apache2 and php4. my php scripts aren't executing, they're being returned to the browser. |
| 18:05.47 | findlay | permissions? |
| 18:05.56 | graphyx | the php apache interpreter? |
| 18:07.39 | tensai | graphyx: yup, that's it. the module is installed but not enabled |
| 18:09.01 | tensai | now my application runs and just pukes. well, that's progress I suppose. |
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| 18:14.02 | findlay | redbeard2: I can't wait for your deep-fried goods! |
| 18:14.18 | findlay | deep fried tuna, and, um, carrots! |
| 18:18.25 | graphyx | tensai: I always run a sample phpinfo script to make sure that it is set up right prior to assuming the code base is bad. |
| 18:18.55 | tensai | graphyx: it was working before, then I tried php5, and then went back. I just assumed the module would keep working. |
| 18:21.29 | graphyx | oh ok |
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| 19:10.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't ask why I'm asking this, but... |
| 19:10.32 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, never mind, I got the word. |
| 19:10.34 | Lone_Wanderer | "libido" |
| 19:10.36 | findlay | why? |
| 19:11.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Explaining powered flight. |
| 19:11.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Bernoulli's Principle only explains something like 10% of the lift that an airplane's wing creates. |
| 19:12.15 | Tene | and you're suggesting that the other 90% comes from sexual drive? |
| 19:12.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Well... that and black magic. |
| 19:12.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Wait, libido is a sex thing? |
| 19:12.36 | Tene | That seems a bit... uh... insane. go die in a fire. |
| 19:12.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I meant virility. |
| 19:12.43 | Tene | ~dict libido |
| 19:12.49 | Tene | ~dict virility |
| 19:12.58 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, that's not it either |
| 19:13.07 | Tene | Yeah, you're just insane. |
| 19:13.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm looking for something that contains virility, but also just means general well-being |
| 19:14.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, what's your explanation for why planes stay in the air, Mr. I'm So Smart Tene? |
| 19:14.02 | goozbach | healh? |
| 19:14.02 | graphyx | lift |
| 19:14.08 | Tene | I certainly don't know, but I know it's not sex. |
| 19:14.19 | graphyx | It's called lift |
| 19:14.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, but what causes the lift? That's the big question. |
| 19:14.38 | graphyx | The air pressure above the wing is less than below it. |
| 19:14.54 | graphyx | so the total force pushes up on the wing |
| 19:15.10 | Lone_Wanderer | That's Bernoulli's Principle, and it only accounts for a very small percentage of the total lift required to get an aircraft off of the ground. |
| 19:15.26 | graphyx | How do you know it is such a small ammount? |
| 19:15.41 | Tene | He read it on the internet! |
| 19:15.45 | graphyx | oh right. |
| 19:15.51 | Lone_Wanderer | (The real answer is that no-one really knows for sure because even if you take all of the forces that are known to act on a wing and add them all up, they still don't generate the measured amount of lift.) |
| 19:16.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, that and I recently enrolled in flight school. |
| 19:16.13 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: that doesn't mean that the lift doesn't happen, it just means that we don't understand it. |
| 19:16.24 | Lone_Wanderer | That's... |
| 19:16.28 | Tene | and it certainly doesn't suggest that the lift comes from sex. |
| 19:16.37 | Lone_Wanderer | you're not contradicting anything I said. Thanks though, keep trying! |
| 19:16.55 | Tene | I'm not trying to... |
| 19:17.01 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: I suppose that the guardian angels of the passengers pushing up on the fuselage of the airplane accounts for the rest. |
| 19:17.08 | Lone_Wanderer | That's got to be it. |
| 19:17.25 | Lone_Wanderer | And for model airplanes, it's the guardian angels of the, umm. Imaginary people. In the model airplane. |
| 19:17.47 | graphyx | Those are the angels inbetween living people. |
| 19:17.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Because they're really small, the imaginary guardian angels are enough to keep them up. |
| 19:17.53 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: fluid mechanics is one of the most complex and difficult fields of applied science |
| 19:17.57 | graphyx | They have to do something for fun. |
| 19:18.13 | Lone_Wanderer | findlay: You are correct sir. |
| 19:19.09 | Lone_Wanderer | My friend who's an aeronautical engineer: "Good grief, of course I don't actually *understand* any of it" |
| 19:19.38 | levi | Kind of like the quantum physicists that way. |
| 19:20.01 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:20.14 | findlay | and also the same for more exotic fields |
| 19:20.34 | Lone_Wanderer | All I know is that when I pull on the thing, I go up, and when I push on it I go down. |
| 19:20.51 | Lone_Wanderer | And when I waggle the other thing, I pitch and roll all over the place and fear for my life. |
| 19:21.32 | levi | What about yawing? |
| 19:21.37 | Lone_Wanderer | That's with the foot pedals. |
| 19:22.09 | findlay | yawning? |
| 19:22.10 | Lone_Wanderer | And generally you don't use those much, is what they tell me. |
| 19:22.15 | findlay | yawning pedals |
| 19:22.21 | Lone_Wanderer | They're sleepy. |
| 19:22.40 | levi | I'm sleepy. |
| 19:23.17 | levi | However, I am not a pedal. |
| 19:23.25 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: you read through the book that was posted here the other day |
| 19:23.30 | Lone_Wanderer | What book? |
| 19:23.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Afterlife, or summat? |
| 19:24.34 | goozbach | http://av8n.com/how/htm/airfoils.html |
| 19:24.39 | brac | [Airfoils and Airflow [Ch. 3 of See How It Flies]] |
| 19:24.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, cool |
| 19:24.52 | Lone_Wanderer | no I didn't see that |
| 19:25.05 | goozbach | the entire book is REALLLY good |
| 19:25.11 | goozbach | and all online |
| 19:27.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, can't be bothered to read the entire thing, but it looks interesting. |
| 19:28.28 | elg | h000ey. It only took me 4 hours to get a decent normal random variable in erlang. |
| 19:28.36 | elg | erlang's random facilities are lacking |
| 19:28.59 | graphyx | is in random or pseudorandom? |
| 19:30.31 | elg | as in I needed to make N random variables. random variable generation almost always boils down to a few independent uniform random variables |
| 19:30.47 | elg | i.e. a RNG that takes a seed and gives a new seed on every invocation |
| 19:31.10 | elg | there is such a beast for erlang, but I had a devil of a time getting moderately independent seeds |
| 19:31.32 | elg | the seed format is some odd triple, not just an integer |
| 19:31.32 | elg | and it says nothing about how to seed it well |
| 19:31.45 | graphyx | I see |
| 19:31.57 | graphyx | You can't just open /dev/urandom then can you? |
| 19:31.59 | elg | so my standard normal, which has a variance of 1, was fairly regularly spitting out numbers like 4000 |
| 19:32.20 | elg | i could, but /dev/urandom is a single random variable. I need bunches |
| 19:32.53 | elg | and someone may want to run it on windows, where there is no /dev/urandom |
| 19:32.53 | graphyx | Can't you spawn multiple connections to it? |
| 19:32.53 | graphyx | or just round robin its output? |
| 19:32.58 | elg | (or any of a number of other systems without /dev/{u,}random |
| 19:33.08 | elg | that's not independent |
| 19:33.08 | graphyx | Fair enough. |
| 19:33.42 | elg | X1, X2, X3, X4, ..., Xn != X1, Y1, Z1, ... |
| 19:33.42 | graphyx | I thought that urandom was as close to random as you could get such that the values could be considered indepedant. |
| 19:34.28 | elg | you're probably right, actually, that /dev/urandom could be considered independent for this purpose |
| 19:34.29 | graphyx | what if you did X1 = X1 Y1 = X2 Z1 = X3, ... |
| 19:34.40 | elg | right, that's what I'm saying is not equal |
| 19:34.49 | graphyx | ok |
| 19:35.09 | elg | as in, not properly independent |
| 19:35.16 | graphyx | Well you get it figured out and publish the code |
| 19:35.26 | graphyx | and this conversation will be moot |
| 19:35.27 | elg | I also had to do this in ruby, i.e. write my own uniform random variable |
| 19:35.43 | elg | but I had no difficulty coming up with decent random seeds |
| 19:35.48 | elg | at least ones that seem independent :) |
| 19:36.05 | elg | the problem is my workaround uses a fairly simplistic (easy to implement) PRNG |
| 19:36.32 | elg | good enough for my cow simulator, but not really progress in generall |
| 19:37.26 | graphyx | Anyone who thinks that they can generate true random numbers with a machine is in a state of sin? |
| 19:38.10 | graphyx | As John von Neumann joked, "Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin." |
| 19:38.11 | graphyx | there is the correct line |
| 19:40.48 | findlay | arithmetic implies finite? |
| 19:41.03 | findlay | well, random isn't so well defined either :-) |
| 19:41.33 | findlay | we're not even sure if the universe itself is capable of randomness |
| 19:43.05 | graphyx | except for brac. |
| 19:43.05 | graphyx | -chat |
| 19:43.05 | brac | OH well, it feels a littel fogieish |
| 19:43.05 | graphyx | he really is random. |
| 19:44.32 | findlay | SIN! |
| 19:44.59 | graphyx | lol |
| 19:44.59 | elg | -chat methods of |
| 19:44.59 | brac | methods of producing random digits is, of course, one or not |
| 19:45.10 | graphyx | I already knew I was in a state of sin. |
| 19:45.20 | elg | -chat state of |
| 19:45.21 | brac | state of medicine lies in chaning how music is consistently out of debt looney |
| 19:45.58 | herlo | graphyx: state of sin is only the guilt you feel for doing something somebody once told you not to do. Keep doing it, and eventually the guilt will go away :) |
| 19:50.05 | elg | -chat the guilt |
| 19:50.06 | brac | the guilt factor |
| 19:51.30 | jsmith | -chat about feel guilty |
| 19:51.31 | brac | feel guilty at their datacenter all the phone where the piercing is. |
| 19:51.54 | jsmith | Guilt, phones, and data centers... sounds like was made just for me |
| 19:54.57 | graphyx | jsmith: we will all be judged by brac. |
| 19:55.07 | nick125_ | afternoon everyone |
| 19:55.16 | nick125_ | dangit, I need another ethernet cable |
| 19:56.16 | elg | jsmith: you have a piercing then I take it |
| 19:56.47 | jsmith | elg: Nope. I already have enough holes in my head |
| 19:57.06 | elg | i was thinking shoulder blades, actually |
| 19:57.31 | jsmith | Naw, my back is itchy enough as it is... |
| 19:57.34 | nick125_ | Hrm, I wish I had a screw driver to see if these voice ports could be converted to data ports |
| 19:57.40 | jsmith | Collar bone? |
| 19:57.52 | levi | findlay: What do you mean when you say we're not even sure if the universe itself is capable of randomness? Are you talking about the question of whether the universe is deterministic or not? |
| 19:58.06 | ^Migs^ | around this time of year, a whole bunch of fat ladies usually come in and go through student tests and stuff. They sit in the big area right behind me, and it's great, because while they're here the breakroom is always VERY well-stocked with food. |
| 19:58.19 | findlay | levi: basically, and partially it depends on how you define randomness |
| 19:58.20 | ^Migs^ | they usually leave the breakroom a mess, though |
| 19:58.53 | ^Migs^ | and they all love the new guy, because he bakes them cookies |
| 20:00.19 | levi | "Digital Consumer Enablement" |
| 20:00.20 | findlay | heh. A day in the life of ^Migs^ |
| 20:29.37 | ^Migs^ | this is a party retarded item: http://images.tigerdirect.ca/itemDetails/B550-1000/B550-1000-out7-hl.jpg |
| 20:29.38 | ^Migs^ | *pretty |
| 20:30.13 | lukfugl | PARTY RETARDED, DUDE! |
| 20:30.46 | lukfugl | bling for your graphics card? |
| 20:32.06 | ^Migs^ | oops, here's the actual product: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2485650&Sku=B550-1000 |
| 20:32.09 | brac | [Bigfoot Networks Killer Gaming NIC Card - Model M1 Gigabit LAN B011-500-0001 in Canada at TigerDirect.ca] |
| 20:34.53 | ^Migs^ | as if traditional NICs are worth anything |
| 20:38.31 | ^Migs^ | is there an easy way to "convert" a directory + all subdirectory + files into a giant set of symlinks all at once? |
| 20:39.11 | findlay | what do you mean by convert? Generally with a link you have a from and a to |
| 20:41.12 | findlay | find . | while read file ; do ln -s $file link_dir/$file ; done |
| 20:41.23 | findlay | that /might/ do it |
| 20:42.53 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 20:43.27 | ^Migs^ | basically what I'm trying to do is set up two separate instances of a PHP web app on my server, and I'm thinking I could just share all the files between them, except the config file |
| 20:43.47 | findlay | why not just link the parent dir? |
| 20:44.27 | ^Migs^ | because config file is inside the parent dir |
| 20:44.37 | ^Migs^ | wait |
| 20:44.48 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that wouldn't work because the config file is in there |
| 20:45.08 | ^Migs^ | or is there a way to make it still work? I can't see how. |
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| 20:45.18 | findlay | then just link all the directories at the config file level |
| 20:45.36 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I was just thinking of that. Makes more sense |
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| 21:29.41 | goozbach | redbeard2: quick! what do I season my mahimahi with? |
| 21:29.56 | Tene | goozbach: wasabi |
| 21:29.59 | jsmith | goozbach: Old Bay |
| 21:30.13 | jsmith | Or a little mango salsa, if you have some |
| 21:30.26 | lukfugl | goozbach: old spice |
| 21:30.30 | lukfugl | with a side of brut |
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| 21:54.28 | Jayce^ | goozbach, toasted sesame seeds |
| 21:54.33 | Jayce^ | freshly toasted |
| 21:55.28 | goozbach | ohh |
| 21:55.32 | goozbach | it's too late |
| 21:55.37 | Tene | goozbach: and wasabi |
| 21:55.41 | goozbach | wasabi |
| 21:55.47 | goozbach | nummers |
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| 22:17.28 | nick125- | hey |
| 22:17.32 | nick125- | anyone awake? |
| 22:30.23 | tensai | ouch. so installing php4 and php5 at the same time is a Bad Idea™ |
| 22:39.06 | levi | Installing php is a bad idea. ;) |
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| 23:41.32 | maquis | ~seen timriker |
| 23:42.04 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 9d 2h 55m 10s ago, saying: 'ouch. that's all I have is a WAP APN.'. |
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